In today's episode, I speak with explorer, ocean activist, and television journalist, Kinga Philipps.
Kinga was one of the founding journalists and hosts of Al Gore's Current TV and since has gone on to host several shows on National Geographic and Travel Channel, most recently becoming the first female host on Discovery Channel's Shark Week.
However, I was interested in talking to Kinga because of her deeper passion for ocean advocacy. This has led to her becoming a fellow at the prestigious Explorers Club, and becoming a Board Member of the non-profit Shark Allies, which works for the protection and conservation of sharks and rays.
Kinga is also an avid freediver, and she spoke about how she first discovered her passion for the ocean on the shores of the Baltic Sea, discussed what she found to be the more spiritual aspects of being in the water, and described a profound moment with her sister swimming alongside a whale shark off the coast of central Mexico.
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Jason Elias (00:08):
Hi and welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
Big Deep is a podcast aboutpeople who have a connection to
the ocean, people for whom thatconnection is so strong it
defines some aspect of theirlife.
Over the course of this serieswe'll talk to all sorts of
people.
In each episode we'll explorethe deeper meaning of that
(00:29):
connection.
Today I speak with a TVcorrespondent and journalist
whose passion for exploration isdriven by a deeper spiritual
connection to the ocean.
Hello, this is your host, jasonElias.
Welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
(00:51):
In today's episode I speak withexplorer, ocean activist and
television journalist, kingaPhillips.
Kinga was one of the foundingjournalists and hosts of Al
Gore's current TV and since thenshe has gone on to host several
shows on both NationalGeographic and Travel Channel,
most recently becoming the firstfemale host on Discovery
Channel's Shark Week.
But the reason I was interestedin talking to Kinga is her high
(01:14):
profile.
Roles on television have alwaysbeen in service of her deeper
passions for ocean advocacy.
This has led to her becoming afellow at the prestigious
explorers club and becoming aboard member of the non-profit
Shark Allies, which works on theprotection and conservation of
sharks and rays and is dedicatedto changing the public
perception of sharks.
Kinga is also an avid freediverand she spoke about how she
(01:37):
first discovered her passion forthe ocean on the shores of the
Baltic Sea, discussed what shefound to be the more spiritual
aspects of being in the waterand described a profound moment
with her sister swimmingalongside a whale shark off the
coast of central Mexico.
Kinga Philipps (01:51):
My name is Kinga Phillips and I have worked in
television, specificallydocumentary and unscripted, for
the last 22 years, with a bigfocus on ocean conservation and
sharks.
Jason Elias (02:05):
Can you talk a bit about where you grew up and when
you first remember yourconnection to the ocean?
Kinga Philipps (02:11):
I was born in Warsaw, poland, and my parents
were both nature lovers.
My dad was a geologist, trekkedall over Europe, my mom was a
Polish pharmacist, so emphasison botany.
And they loved being outdoorsand we particularly always
gravitated towards the ocean,and the ocean there in Poland is
the Baltic Sea, so we would goand we would gather, amber and
(02:32):
just walk for hours and hoursand hours, and I loved it so
much.
My family moved from Poland toBartlesville, oklahoma, in 1981.
And we didn't have a lot ofmoney so we didn't really fly
anywhere.
We didn't have vacations totropical destinations.
So our big trip every year overspring break with Florida, we
(02:57):
would get in our big blue vanand we would go trip to Florida
from Oklahoma, stopping at AOAcampgrounds, and in hindsight
that was the best way to grow up.
When we got there I fell in lovewith this warm, crystal clear,
briny water that I just found tobe the most magnificent thing
(03:19):
in the world.
I think two big memories that Ihad were one finding a deceased
sea turtle on the beach, whichI refused to believe was
anything but napping, and satwith him for a very long time.
And then we loved horseshoecrabs.
I spent hour after hourperusing the mangroves and
(03:40):
looking for them and thoughtthat they were the coolest, most
prehistoric thing ever, becausethey are, and these memories
stuck out to me as my earliestconnections to how spectacular
and vast the ocean is, andthat's never left me.
Jason Elias (03:58):
So it sounds like for you there was always a sense
of wonder around the ocean,which perhaps helped guide you
to becoming one of the morevisible journalists and on-air
personalities in the explorationspace.
Can you talk a bit about thatpath?
Were there challenges, and whatmotivates you to continue
pursuing that sense ofexploration?
Kinga Philipps (04:19):
When I was in college I had seven different
majors and I couldn't quite wrapmy head around picking one
thing to do for the rest of mylife.
So the seven major I had weremarine biology, lots of medicine
.
I wanted to do doctors'outborders, I mean, there was
entomology so many differentthings.
And because I always gravitatedtowards wildlife I would watch
(04:40):
the old shop who Sto Show Voyageof the Clipso and I thought
that's it, that's what I want todo.
So I landed on journalism, thenbecoming fascinated with sharks
and joining shark allies, andall of that together started to
develop into one world.
And now, looking back, thatlong game for exploration, for
research, for wanting tounderstand how we physically,
(05:00):
emotionally, mentally,spiritually connect to the
natural world, and the ocean inparticular, it was always
present and all of that togetherwas kind of the perfect storm
to bring me to where I am now.
Jason Elias (05:13):
Right, but one of the things I find interesting
about you is you often go beyondmore established narratives of
science journalism and arewilling to explore more
spiritual and esoteric aspectsof our human experiences in this
world.
Would you mind talking a bitabout your perspective on that,
regarding the ocean and how itmight relate to your larger
(05:34):
worldview?
Kinga Philipps (05:40):
Being in the ocean is actually being
enveloped in what this planet ismade of.
I remember I was surfing with abuddy of mine and we jumped off
our surfboards and we were justswimming around and he goes
look, we're in the earth rightnow and for some reason that
(06:02):
really resonated with me and Ithought well, we are actually
immersed, we are fully submergedin the earth and that, on a
spiritual level, is veryinteresting, and I never feel
more at peace than when I'munderwater.
(06:23):
There's something healing andintriguing about that.
I loved sci-fi movies as a kidand I just don't think that
there is anything that couldpossibly be out in this universe
that is as cool as some of thefauna that we have in the ocean.
(06:46):
I mean, I can't imagineanything beating out of
horseshoe crab or a narwhal, amola-mola sunfish, seeing a
tiger shark in the water andbeing able to swim effortlessly
next to it, or having a younghunk back approach you and start
(07:06):
to spin and then mimic yourmovements.
There's something about thatthat is every child's fantasy
and I tingle at the idea thatthere are still storylines yet
to be discovered.
I mean, in the shark space, thefact that we have never seen a
(07:27):
great white shark mate againbirth.
How amazing is that.
Everything that exists in theocean to me is the best sci-fi
movie that you could everimagine and it's real.
So it's kind of the eternalchildlike wonder for me when I'm
(07:50):
immersed in the ocean.
Jason Elias (08:00):
Well, that was beautifully said and, as a huge
sci-fi fan myself, I thinkyou're absolutely right that
there is a profound beauty andotherworldly weirdness about so
much of the ocean, and I thinkprobably a lot of people who are
connected to the water mightalso echo your sense of the
spiritual aspect of being withthese animals, and I wonder if,
(08:24):
in some ways, that also shapedthe way you dive.
I know you've shifted frombeing primarily a scuba diver
and are now more focused on freediving, so I'm wondering if
you'd talk a little bit aboutthat and why you might have made
that transition.
Kinga Philipps (08:39):
I am fortunate enough to work in an industry
where I get to experience a lotof things, and it usually comes
in the form of me getting throwninto a situation that I have
very little experience in andit's literally sink or swim.
I was a scuba diver, probablygoing on 20 years, hundreds of
dives and I was enjoying itbecause it was my access to the
(08:59):
ocean and I love that space, Ilove that world.
So I was on a travel channelshow and they took me to Hawaii
and they said we're going to putyou with this gentleman named
Sean Harada.
He's an amazing spear fisherman, amazing freediver.
Go, and they literally handedme a spear gun.
We're like so we're going todrop down to 50 feet, you're
going to hunt the experience ofbeing down there on my breath,
(09:21):
the silence of it as opposed tothe silence of the ocean.
I loved it.
So when I left I went into afree diving class and kind of
learned the basics and eversince then it's actually quite
hard for me to go back to scuba.
I mean, there are wonderfultimes and places when we do
shark week, we'll scuba dive orI'm on a live aboard.
(09:42):
There are environments whereit's just preferable.
But I love the freedom offreediving.
When you're on your own breath,it is silent and you were
immersed in the waves.
There's a sense of extremepresence and you know you can't
get as close to a whale or ashark or a manta ray on scuba as
(10:04):
you can in this silent spacewhere you kind of feel like one
of them.
There is something sospectacular in that I feel
changes in my system that Ican't get anywhere else.
It makes me tingle.
I love it.
Jason Elias (10:18):
Yeah, it's so fascinating when people talk
about how, when you freedive,you can get closer to the
animals because of the lack ofscuba bubbles, which can
sometimes frighten the animals,but also the greater sense of
presence that people feel whenthey're freediving and how that
allows them to interact closer.
And I just find thatfascinating.
And that specific dynamic alsopredicated a story you've told
(10:40):
before about a trip you tookwith your sister to Mexico to go
diving with whale sharks.
Can you talk about that trip abit and why you found it so
profoundly moving?
Kinga Philipps (10:50):
One of the first trips that I ever took solo was
to Isla Mojarras and went outtwice, swam with the whale
sharks, and it was an incredibleexperience.
I absolutely loved it.
Several years later, I reallywanted my friends and my sister
to have that experience, butinstead of going to Isla Mujeres
, we decided to go to IslaHallbosch, which is just north
(11:13):
of Cancun, and I had warned thegirls in advance.
It's an incredible experience,but it's also crowded as all
hell.
You're having people crawl overyour head as they're trying to
get to the whale shark.
It's a magnificent experience,but I'm just warning you right
now that you're going to be alittle annoyed with the amount
of humanity there.
From Isla Hallbosch they gaveus the option.
(11:33):
The water around Isla Hallboschis more of this emerald green
color.
It's a little bit more murky,but if you want to pay a little
bit more, we'll take you towhere the water is really clear
blue and corresponds with wherethe boats out of Isla Mujeres go
out to, and I said I wouldrather go to the blue.
I just think that's anspectacular experience.
(11:54):
We're getting our little boat,rupanga, and we're out there
probably for two hours from IslaHallbosch, and it really does
change from this gorgeousemerald color to this beautiful
deep blue.
And there's one boat sittingthere as we start to get ready,
the boat packs up the leaves andwe jump in the water and there
(12:19):
are 15 whale sharks around us Me, my sister Julia, my friend
Mina and my friend Sophia.
So there are four of us girlswith 15 whale sharks.
They were feeding in this area,so they just kept circling us.
They didn't leave.
We were in the water with these15 whale sharks for so long.
(12:45):
Just the four of us.
What experience.
Alone in this planet wherethere are eight billion people
and to think that's four friendswho got to have this phenomenal
experience not to be sharedwith anybody else, these
(13:06):
magnificent creatures which justmove through the water with
their big old slots and theiropen mouths.
There was this huge whale sharkmaking its way through our
group.
My sister and I started pacingit on both sides and I remember
(13:26):
I looked up at her.
I waved to her over the back ofa whale shark and the two of us
just started laughing in oursnorkels because we realized
this was this extraordinarymoment where two goofy sisters
(13:48):
just waved to each other Overthe back of a whale shark in 500
feet of blue water.
That is one of my favorite lifemoments.
Your heart is so full of joy,everything is right with the
(14:11):
world and you are distinctlyrooted in the present moment, in
that space, in that moment.
If someone gave you the optionto be anywhere else in the world
(14:31):
, you would say, no, I want tobe here, and for that to be
facilitated by the ocean andthis massive animal that allowed
us into its presence.
When you look back on your life, that to me is one of the main
(14:58):
moments in my life that I thinkthis journey on this little
planet, with my little soulbeing here, that was worth it.
Jason Elias (15:21):
Finally, we end every interview and every
episode with a single open-endedquestion.
We ask everyone we talk to whatdoes the ocean mean to you?
Kinga Philipps (15:32):
The ocean is an extension of my consciousness.
I am also a big believer inself stewardship, and when you
are in the ocean, you areresponsible for your own
well-being, and there issomething very primal in that
that I absolutely love makes youfeel very alive.
Jason Elias (15:58):
Thanks for listening to the Big Deep
podcast.
Next time on.
Alex Hearn (16:02):
Big Deep.
When I came to Galapagos, Iwanted to work on something that
would make some kind ofdifference, to be able to look
back and say well, I tried tomake the planet a little bit
better than it was when I was onit.
I tried to clean up a littlebit.
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Thanks again for joining us.
Hi and welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
Big Deep is a podcast aboutpeople who have a connection to
the ocean, people for whom thatconnection is so strong it
defines some aspect of theirlife.
Over the course of this serieswe'll talk to all sorts of
people.
In each episode we'll explorethe deeper meaning of that
(00:29):
connection.
Today I speak with a TVcorrespondent and journalist
whose passion for exploration isdriven by a deeper spiritual
connection to the ocean.
Hello, this is your host, jasonElias.
Welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
(00:51):
In today's episode I speak withexplorer, ocean activist and
television journalist, kingaPhillips.
Kinga was one of the foundingjournalists and hosts of Al
Gore's current TV and since thenshe has gone on to host several
shows on both NationalGeographic and Travel Channel,
most recently becoming the firstfemale host on Discovery
Channel's Shark Week.
But the reason I was interestedin talking to Kinga is her high
(01:14):
profile.
Roles on television have alwaysbeen in service of her deeper
passions for ocean advocacy.
This has led to her becoming afellow at the prestigious
explorers club and becoming aboard member of the non-profit
Shark Allies, which works on theprotection and conservation of
sharks and rays and is dedicatedto changing the public
perception of sharks.
Kinga is also an avid freediverand she spoke about how she
(01:37):
first discovered her passion forthe ocean on the shores of the
Baltic Sea, discussed what shefound to be the more spiritual
aspects of being in the waterand described a profound moment
with her sister swimmingalongside a whale shark off the
coast of central Mexico.
Kinga Philipps (01:51):
My name is Kinga Phillips and I have worked in
television, specificallydocumentary and unscripted, for
the last 22 years, with a bigfocus on ocean conservation and
sharks.
Jason Elias (02:05):
Can you talk a bit about where you grew up and when
you first remember yourconnection to the ocean?
Kinga Philipps (02:11):
I was born in Warsaw, poland, and my parents
were both nature lovers.
My dad was a geologist, trekkedall over Europe, my mom was a
Polish pharmacist, so emphasison botany.
And they loved being outdoorsand we particularly always
gravitated towards the ocean,and the ocean there in Poland is
the Baltic Sea, so we would goand we would gather, amber and
(02:32):
just walk for hours and hoursand hours, and I loved it so
much.
My family moved from Poland toBartlesville, oklahoma, in 1981.
And we didn't have a lot ofmoney so we didn't really fly
anywhere.
We didn't have vacations totropical destinations.
So our big trip every year overspring break with Florida, we
(02:57):
would get in our big blue vanand we would go trip to Florida
from Oklahoma, stopping at AOAcampgrounds, and in hindsight
that was the best way to grow up.
When we got there I fell in lovewith this warm, crystal clear,
briny water that I just found tobe the most magnificent thing
(03:19):
in the world.
I think two big memories that Ihad were one finding a deceased
sea turtle on the beach, whichI refused to believe was
anything but napping, and satwith him for a very long time.
And then we loved horseshoecrabs.
I spent hour after hourperusing the mangroves and
(03:40):
looking for them and thoughtthat they were the coolest, most
prehistoric thing ever, becausethey are, and these memories
stuck out to me as my earliestconnections to how spectacular
and vast the ocean is, andthat's never left me.
Jason Elias (03:58):
So it sounds like for you there was always a sense
of wonder around the ocean,which perhaps helped guide you
to becoming one of the morevisible journalists and on-air
personalities in the explorationspace.
Can you talk a bit about thatpath?
Were there challenges, and whatmotivates you to continue
pursuing that sense ofexploration?
Kinga Philipps (04:19):
When I was in college I had seven different
majors and I couldn't quite wrapmy head around picking one
thing to do for the rest of mylife.
So the seven major I had weremarine biology, lots of medicine
.
I wanted to do doctors'outborders, I mean, there was
entomology so many differentthings.
And because I always gravitatedtowards wildlife I would watch
(04:40):
the old shop who Sto Show Voyageof the Clipso and I thought
that's it, that's what I want todo.
So I landed on journalism, thenbecoming fascinated with sharks
and joining shark allies, andall of that together started to
develop into one world.
And now, looking back, thatlong game for exploration, for
research, for wanting tounderstand how we physically,
(05:00):
emotionally, mentally,spiritually connect to the
natural world, and the ocean inparticular, it was always
present and all of that togetherwas kind of the perfect storm
to bring me to where I am now.
Jason Elias (05:13):
Right, but one of the things I find interesting
about you is you often go beyondmore established narratives of
science journalism and arewilling to explore more
spiritual and esoteric aspectsof our human experiences in this
world.
Would you mind talking a bitabout your perspective on that,
regarding the ocean and how itmight relate to your larger
(05:34):
worldview?
Kinga Philipps (05:40):
Being in the ocean is actually being
enveloped in what this planet ismade of.
I remember I was surfing with abuddy of mine and we jumped off
our surfboards and we were justswimming around and he goes
look, we're in the earth rightnow and for some reason that
(06:02):
really resonated with me and Ithought well, we are actually
immersed, we are fully submergedin the earth and that, on a
spiritual level, is veryinteresting, and I never feel
more at peace than when I'munderwater.
(06:23):
There's something healing andintriguing about that.
I loved sci-fi movies as a kidand I just don't think that
there is anything that couldpossibly be out in this universe
that is as cool as some of thefauna that we have in the ocean.
(06:46):
I mean, I can't imagineanything beating out of
horseshoe crab or a narwhal, amola-mola sunfish, seeing a
tiger shark in the water andbeing able to swim effortlessly
next to it, or having a younghunk back approach you and start
(07:06):
to spin and then mimic yourmovements.
There's something about thatthat is every child's fantasy
and I tingle at the idea thatthere are still storylines yet
to be discovered.
I mean, in the shark space, thefact that we have never seen a
(07:27):
great white shark mate againbirth.
How amazing is that.
Everything that exists in theocean to me is the best sci-fi
movie that you could everimagine and it's real.
So it's kind of the eternalchildlike wonder for me when I'm
(07:50):
immersed in the ocean.
Jason Elias (08:00):
Well, that was beautifully said and, as a huge
sci-fi fan myself, I thinkyou're absolutely right that
there is a profound beauty andotherworldly weirdness about so
much of the ocean, and I thinkprobably a lot of people who are
connected to the water mightalso echo your sense of the
spiritual aspect of being withthese animals, and I wonder if,
(08:24):
in some ways, that also shapedthe way you dive.
I know you've shifted frombeing primarily a scuba diver
and are now more focused on freediving, so I'm wondering if
you'd talk a little bit aboutthat and why you might have made
that transition.
Kinga Philipps (08:39):
I am fortunate enough to work in an industry
where I get to experience a lotof things, and it usually comes
in the form of me getting throwninto a situation that I have
very little experience in andit's literally sink or swim.
I was a scuba diver, probablygoing on 20 years, hundreds of
dives and I was enjoying itbecause it was my access to the
(08:59):
ocean and I love that space, Ilove that world.
So I was on a travel channelshow and they took me to Hawaii
and they said we're going to putyou with this gentleman named
Sean Harada.
He's an amazing spear fisherman, amazing freediver.
Go, and they literally handedme a spear gun.
We're like so we're going todrop down to 50 feet, you're
going to hunt the experience ofbeing down there on my breath,
(09:21):
the silence of it as opposed tothe silence of the ocean.
I loved it.
So when I left I went into afree diving class and kind of
learned the basics and eversince then it's actually quite
hard for me to go back to scuba.
I mean, there are wonderfultimes and places when we do
shark week, we'll scuba dive orI'm on a live aboard.
(09:42):
There are environments whereit's just preferable.
But I love the freedom offreediving.
When you're on your own breath,it is silent and you were
immersed in the waves.
There's a sense of extremepresence and you know you can't
get as close to a whale or ashark or a manta ray on scuba as
(10:04):
you can in this silent spacewhere you kind of feel like one
of them.
There is something sospectacular in that I feel
changes in my system that Ican't get anywhere else.
It makes me tingle.
I love it.
Jason Elias (10:18):
Yeah, it's so fascinating when people talk
about how, when you freedive,you can get closer to the
animals because of the lack ofscuba bubbles, which can
sometimes frighten the animals,but also the greater sense of
presence that people feel whenthey're freediving and how that
allows them to interact closer.
And I just find thatfascinating.
And that specific dynamic alsopredicated a story you've told
(10:40):
before about a trip you tookwith your sister to Mexico to go
diving with whale sharks.
Can you talk about that trip abit and why you found it so
profoundly moving?
Kinga Philipps (10:50):
One of the first trips that I ever took solo was
to Isla Mojarras and went outtwice, swam with the whale
sharks, and it was an incredibleexperience.
I absolutely loved it.
Several years later, I reallywanted my friends and my sister
to have that experience, butinstead of going to Isla Mujeres
, we decided to go to IslaHallbosch, which is just north
(11:13):
of Cancun, and I had warned thegirls in advance.
It's an incredible experience,but it's also crowded as all
hell.
You're having people crawl overyour head as they're trying to
get to the whale shark.
It's a magnificent experience,but I'm just warning you right
now that you're going to be alittle annoyed with the amount
of humanity there.
From Isla Hallbosch they gaveus the option.
(11:33):
The water around Isla Hallboschis more of this emerald green
color.
It's a little bit more murky,but if you want to pay a little
bit more, we'll take you towhere the water is really clear
blue and corresponds with wherethe boats out of Isla Mujeres go
out to, and I said I wouldrather go to the blue.
I just think that's anspectacular experience.
(11:54):
We're getting our little boat,rupanga, and we're out there
probably for two hours from IslaHallbosch, and it really does
change from this gorgeousemerald color to this beautiful
deep blue.
And there's one boat sittingthere as we start to get ready,
the boat packs up the leaves andwe jump in the water and there
(12:19):
are 15 whale sharks around us Me, my sister Julia, my friend
Mina and my friend Sophia.
So there are four of us girlswith 15 whale sharks.
They were feeding in this area,so they just kept circling us.
They didn't leave.
We were in the water with these15 whale sharks for so long.
(12:45):
Just the four of us.
What experience.
Alone in this planet wherethere are eight billion people
and to think that's four friendswho got to have this phenomenal
experience not to be sharedwith anybody else, these
(13:06):
magnificent creatures which justmove through the water with
their big old slots and theiropen mouths.
There was this huge whale sharkmaking its way through our
group.
My sister and I started pacingit on both sides and I remember
(13:26):
I looked up at her.
I waved to her over the back ofa whale shark and the two of us
just started laughing in oursnorkels because we realized
this was this extraordinarymoment where two goofy sisters
(13:48):
just waved to each other Overthe back of a whale shark in 500
feet of blue water.
That is one of my favorite lifemoments.
Your heart is so full of joy,everything is right with the
(14:11):
world and you are distinctlyrooted in the present moment, in
that space, in that moment.
If someone gave you the optionto be anywhere else in the world
(14:31):
, you would say, no, I want tobe here, and for that to be
facilitated by the ocean andthis massive animal that allowed
us into its presence.
When you look back on your life, that to me is one of the main
(14:58):
moments in my life that I thinkthis journey on this little
planet, with my little soulbeing here, that was worth it.
Jason Elias (15:21):
Finally, we end every interview and every
episode with a single open-endedquestion.
We ask everyone we talk to whatdoes the ocean mean to you?
Kinga Philipps (15:32):
The ocean is an extension of my consciousness.
I am also a big believer inself stewardship, and when you
are in the ocean, you areresponsible for your own
well-being, and there issomething very primal in that
that I absolutely love makes youfeel very alive.
Jason Elias (15:58):
Thanks for listening to the Big Deep
podcast.
Next time on.
Alex Hearn (16:02):
Big Deep.
When I came to Galapagos, Iwanted to work on something that
would make some kind ofdifference, to be able to look
back and say well, I tried tomake the planet a little bit
better than it was when I was onit.
I tried to clean up a littlebit.
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