In today's episode I speak with Jamal Galves, program director at Clearwater Marine Aquarium Research Institute and National Geographic Explorer and Edge Fellow.
Jamal's work focuses particularly on the Antillean manatee of his native Belize. Jamal's passion for marine wildlife runs deep and, in particular, his connection to manatees reaches back to when he was a kid, growing up in the rough, impoverished neighborhoods of coastal Belize.
We spoke from his home in Belmopan, the capital of Belize, and Jamal spoke about how a chance encounter with a research vessel started his interest in marine conservation, how that led directly to his work at the incredible Clearwater Marine Aquarium Research Institute in Belmopan, and how his first interaction with manatees shaped the course of the rest of his life.
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Jason Elias (00:08):
Hi and welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
Big Deep is a podcast aboutpeople who have a connection to
the ocean, people for whom thatconnection is so strong it
defines some aspect of theirlife.
Over the course of this serieswe'll talk to all sorts of
people and in each episode we'llexplore the deeper meaning of
(00:29):
that connection.
Today I speak with aconservation biologist from
Belize whose life was shaped bygrowing up with the gentle
manatees of the Caribbean coast.
Hello, this is your host, jasonElias.
Welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
(00:52):
In today's episode I speak withJamal Galvez, program director
at Clearwater Marine AquariumResearch Institute and National
Geographic Explorer and EdgeFellow.
Jamal's work focusesparticularly on the Antelian
manatees of his native Belize.
Jamal's passion for marinewildlife runs deep and, in
particular, his connection tomanatees reaches back to when he
was a kid, growing up in therough, impoverished
(01:13):
neighborhoods of coastal Belize.
We spoke from his home inBelmapan, the capital of Belize,
and Jamal spoke about how achance encounter with a research
vessel started his interest inmarine conservation, how that
led directly to his work at theincredible Clearwater Marine
Aquarium Research Institute inBelmapan and how his first
interaction with manatees shapedthe course of the rest of his
(01:35):
life.
Jamal Galves (01:37):
My name is Jamal Galvez, I am in Belize and I am
the program coordinator for theClearwater Marine Aquarium
Research Institute here inBelize, where I oversee the
manatee conservation initiativesand other marine species.
Jason Elias (01:50):
So can you talk a little bit about what life was
like growing up in Belize, andcan you tell me when you first
remember having a connection tothe ocean?
Jamal Galves (01:58):
I grew up in a very small village outside of
Belize City.
It's called Gil Spite, manatee.
So my connection to water hasbeen for my entire life.
It's a part of our culture,it's a part of our heritage,
it's a part of our way of life,it's where we get our food from.
From a very young age, learningto fish, being out there,
(02:22):
learning all the species offishes, seeing manatees, seeing
birds and my grandparents putout, discipline us for going
swimming without the permission,so we would try to hide in
different places to get in thewater and come back, dry our
skins off and act as if we werein swimming.
And so, for me, I spent most ofmy childhood days on the water,
more than I actually spent onland.
Jason Elias (02:45):
So you had a relationship with the water from
a young age, but you eventuallydeveloped a deeper connection
to the native Antelian manateesof Belize from a chance
encounter.
Can you tell us the path of howthat happened and what it has
meant to you since then?
Jamal Galves (03:01):
Well, as a kid I saw this weird looking book
drive by has a manatee researchwritten on it.
I started asking questions.
Like a kid who sees a coolchalk.
You're fascinated by the chalk,but for me, growing up around
the ocean, it was a board.
So I started asking questionsand eventually I got answers
that these guys were doing whenI'm doing research in my
(03:21):
community.
And before I knew it, mycousins and I started to play
when Antelians came out of mygrandma's lawn and fight the sea
and get to grab the cool board.
But my interest eventually grewmy grandma's lawn so I strove
along to the dock and approachedDr James Wadipo, who's actually
my boss still today.
I'm 11 years old, small littleskinny kitty, I want to come
(03:43):
over to you guys.
And he looked at me and shookfor a second and really that's
where my life changed completely.
I got on the boat with amanatee and being out there with
these world-renowned scientists, learning about these species,
hearing that manatees areendangered and during those
younger days I didn't even knowwhat the word endangered meant
when it was explained to me andto understand that these animals
(04:05):
are in trouble and I live righthere.
Why can't I do something?
Particularly when it felt thatit was my responsibility to be
in, that they're part of ourculture, part of our community,
part of our waters.
To know that something such aslike your neighbor that is in
trouble and you feel the need toout, I need to do something.
You need to step up, speak out.
They need to represent themsince they are unable to
(04:25):
represent themselves, and theyneed to be a voice for them
since they can't speak.
And because they can't speakdoesn't mean that they don't
have something to sing.
It really is an honor and apassion for me to be able to be
a voice for these species, beable to tell their stories in
the smallest areas, the smallestcommunities, to the largest
city across the world.
Jason Elias (04:46):
It is incredible sometimes how the most random of
moments can have the deepest ofimpacts on our lives, and it's
inspiring to see your passionfor these animals, which came
out of a research boat simplycoming to dock.
But there must be somethingmore there for you.
And Manatees what does it youfind so incredible about
Manatees in particular?
(05:07):
What is it that moves youpersonally about these animals?
Jamal Galves (05:16):
People look at me and say, oh, you're saving one
and this, but they don't knowthe back story to it.
Because they saved me first,Manatees saved my life.
Growing up in a coastalcommunity, poverty within were
(05:38):
exposed to guns, crimes, jobs,violence.
It's very difficult for youngkids like myself to walk a
straight path.
You're influenced by yourenvironment, you're influenced
by your surroundings and I couldhave fallen off that path a
long time ago.
But meeting, interacting andseeing these animals light and
(06:07):
feeling the need to want to dosomething about that teared my
road away from guns the great,from violence.
People where I grew up, societydon't believe that we're meant
to be researchers and scientists.
It's just not the norm.
So where are we writing thatnorm?
(06:29):
I'm hoping that my path will bea dream for the next generation
of young boys and young girlsthat come from where I come,
from a group like ILO.
For me, the personal connectionis a sense of I'm in depth to
them for saving my life.
(06:50):
So saving their lives isrepaying my debt to the species
that have kept me alive allthese years and do not have
fallen short of my destiny, donot have ended up in prison or
in jail.
People look at it as me savingmy land, but it's basically me
(07:17):
returning that favor that wasgiven to me some years ago.
Jason Elias (07:29):
That is beautifully said, so how does that relate
to your work at the ClearwaterMarine Aquarium Research
Institute?
What is it that you and yourteam are doing there, and why do
you find the work there soimportant?
Jamal Galves (07:44):
It's not really an aquarium, but more of a marine
rescue center.
It's more of a marine hospital,and the work that we do is not
just rescue, rehabilitate,release animals back to the wild
, our home market.
Most impactful thing that wehad to clear at the Marine
Aquarium, though, is inspiration.
It really is what's going tochange the world.
(08:06):
I have a painting on my wall ofa huge man, and did a romance
in my mission statement, so Idon't get complacent Because I'm
not trying to save as species,as literally fighting extinction
.
You cannot afford to getcomplacent.
You cannot afford to getcomfortable.
I make myself comfortable,being uncomfortable, because
(08:26):
working in conservation oftenfeels like you're doing the
impossible but you're ungrateful.
We gotta do it anyway.
No work has led to creatingsafer space, but these animals
have a little bit of space thatthey can call their home.
When we are in our home, wewant to feel safe, we want to be
comfortable, so they deservethat sense of safety.
(08:47):
But till the sea and swim, cometo the surface to see a mother
and a calf in the rocket's mindblowing.
It tells in your heart.
Those are some of the greatestfeelings of being in this field,
that I don't get tired ofshiriman and these people.
The ocean is a large place thathas the biggest heart, so it
(09:10):
means that there's so much lovein the ocean that we should see
and feel it and give that loveback by doing the right things.
So a job is to light thatcandle in dark places so that
the world can shine and so thatthe globe can be bright.
And there's no payment that youcan receive that is greater
(09:31):
than the gratitude that you havein your heart for the work that
you've done.
Jason Elias (09:35):
Well, your passion is inspirational and your
dedication is evident.
So with that is there one story, one moment of being with
manatees you could point to ashaving some deeper meaning to
you.
Jamal Galves (09:50):
I was 12 years old , going to school in the city,
and on weekends I would go backto my village to spend the
weekends with my grandma.
And there were twoone-and-these in the rehab
facility in my village, onenamed Woody and the other one
named Hercules.
Woody was a young male calfthat was found in a place called
(10:11):
Buttonwood Bay.
Hercules was a young male aswell that was very sick to the
point where they felt that hemay not have recovered it's soul
, where it's true to they comestrong again.
I knew that they were there, soI got on the bus from Belize
(10:32):
City, taking it down to Jill'sPoint where my grandma live, and
we were getting late at night.
That night I could not sleepbecause I was so excited about
going down there.
I couldn't wait until morningto go down to rehabilitation
(10:54):
center to help feed and helpmonitor this young cow.
I got up at around 5 o'clock inthe morning.
It was so dark.
My grandma would ask me whatare you doing up so early?
I'm gonna go help monitor myaunties and feed them and
aunties and rehab.
I sat there and waited for myfriend to come by and he had
(11:17):
this three wheel cart that hewould carry Boxes of lettuce
down to the pen to feed them andaunties.
I sat on my grandma's table andwaited for him to couple of
pass.
When he got there he got in thecart and he would write us down
to the pen.
Most children of the time wereinterested in going to see my
aunties, so I had them all tomyself.
(11:38):
When he got there, he startedfeeding the aunties and just
feeding the two young cows, juststicking their head up waiting
to be fed, being there thatentire day, just literally
sitting down and just looking atthem, monitoring their breaths.
(12:00):
It seemed like a simple taskfor a 12 year old kid.
See, not even fun.
I don't understand why.
For me it was such an enjoyment.
Every time that man and theycome to the surface, you can
hear it and the sense of silenceand quietness and the movements
(12:28):
so gentle that you can barelyeven hear the water move.
So I'm just a sense of peace.
I'm not a quietness, I'm notthat.
I felt that I exist in theworld, just me and those two
(12:48):
hunters in this space.
I felt that I was in a spacethat I've never been before at
that moment.
Later the day we had to separatethe two males because we were
preparing them for healthassessment the day after and
(13:09):
this required getting in thewater.
I'd never gotten in the waterwith a man.
I'd never been before.
Most people are afraid of him.
I was afraid what I ate,one-h-two.
I got in the water andimmediately I could see the calf
coming towards me, a heartless,beating fat.
(13:32):
Not sure what this calf isgoing to do once he gets to me.
I'm standing in the water and Ican see him coming towards me.
My mind's racing, my thoughtsare flying through my head, my
(13:52):
heart's beating very fast, butstill I stood there and as the
calf approached me, I felt thateverything stopped.
My heart stopped beating, mystomach really didn't even move
(14:17):
and the calf literally put hisslippers around me, as if I'm
giving you a hug.
I stood for a second, fascinated, and I wonder how could they
find it within themselves?
I still love us humans whenwe're the reason that they were
(14:44):
there.
He's going to express thatmagnitude of love to me.
Why can't I just love them back?
And up to this day of my lifeis five words unspoken.
(15:05):
I'm grateful for you.
That's the message I got fromthat calf that day and it's the
message that I've carried for mylifetime and it's the message
that really keeps me going.
(15:25):
They may not be able to saythank you, but that gesture was
a gesture of a lifetime and it'sa gesture of a thank you for an
entire species.
Nothing can outdo that momentfor me.
Jason Elias (16:04):
Finally, we end every interview and every
episode with a single open-endedquestion.
We ask everyone we talk to whatdoes the ocean mean?
Jamal Galves (16:13):
to you.
What does the ocean mean to me?
There's not one meaning to theocean to me.
If you look in the dictionary,that's where you'll find that
meaning of an ocean.
But the definition in thedictionary doesn't resonate with
me.
There's no way I can put injust words what the ocean means
(16:34):
to me.
But if I was still, I would sayto me the ocean means life, not
just my life, but theinsurmountable amount of lives
that are within the ocean.
The ocean is constantly givenlove.
(16:54):
Every wave that you hear, everywave, a surfer surfers on.
Every wind that blows in thesea comes from the ocean.
It's the greatest reservoir oflife on this planet.
What the ocean means to me isnot what I can take from the
(17:15):
ocean, what I can give to theocean, because the ocean has
given to us things that we wouldnot be able to give to
ourselves.
Jason Elias (17:29):
Thanks for listening to the Big Deep
podcast.
Next time on Big Deep.
Jamal Galves (17:36):
But for me, I think the ocean is the feeling
of longing, of the beauty, ofthe transience of the world.
It never lasts forever, it'salways transient, it's ever
changing and, ultimately, wealways have to leave.
Jason Elias (17:49):
We really appreciate you being on this
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(18:10):
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Thanks again for joining us.
Hi and welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
Big Deep is a podcast aboutpeople who have a connection to
the ocean, people for whom thatconnection is so strong it
defines some aspect of theirlife.
Over the course of this serieswe'll talk to all sorts of
people and in each episode we'llexplore the deeper meaning of
(00:29):
that connection.
Today I speak with aconservation biologist from
Belize whose life was shaped bygrowing up with the gentle
manatees of the Caribbean coast.
Hello, this is your host, jasonElias.
Welcome to the Big Deep podcast.
(00:52):
In today's episode I speak withJamal Galvez, program director
at Clearwater Marine AquariumResearch Institute and National
Geographic Explorer and EdgeFellow.
Jamal's work focusesparticularly on the Antelian
manatees of his native Belize.
Jamal's passion for marinewildlife runs deep and, in
particular, his connection tomanatees reaches back to when he
was a kid, growing up in therough, impoverished
(01:13):
neighborhoods of coastal Belize.
We spoke from his home inBelmapan, the capital of Belize,
and Jamal spoke about how achance encounter with a research
vessel started his interest inmarine conservation, how that
led directly to his work at theincredible Clearwater Marine
Aquarium Research Institute inBelmapan and how his first
interaction with manatees shapedthe course of the rest of his
(01:35):
life.
Jamal Galves (01:37):
My name is Jamal Galvez, I am in Belize and I am
the program coordinator for theClearwater Marine Aquarium
Research Institute here inBelize, where I oversee the
manatee conservation initiativesand other marine species.
Jason Elias (01:50):
So can you talk a little bit about what life was
like growing up in Belize, andcan you tell me when you first
remember having a connection tothe ocean?
Jamal Galves (01:58):
I grew up in a very small village outside of
Belize City.
It's called Gil Spite, manatee.
So my connection to water hasbeen for my entire life.
It's a part of our culture,it's a part of our heritage,
it's a part of our way of life,it's where we get our food from.
From a very young age, learningto fish, being out there,
(02:22):
learning all the species offishes, seeing manatees, seeing
birds and my grandparents putout, discipline us for going
swimming without the permission,so we would try to hide in
different places to get in thewater and come back, dry our
skins off and act as if we werein swimming.
And so, for me, I spent most ofmy childhood days on the water,
more than I actually spent onland.
Jason Elias (02:45):
So you had a relationship with the water from
a young age, but you eventuallydeveloped a deeper connection
to the native Antelian manateesof Belize from a chance
encounter.
Can you tell us the path of howthat happened and what it has
meant to you since then?
Jamal Galves (03:01):
Well, as a kid I saw this weird looking book
drive by has a manatee researchwritten on it.
I started asking questions.
Like a kid who sees a coolchalk.
You're fascinated by the chalk,but for me, growing up around
the ocean, it was a board.
So I started asking questionsand eventually I got answers
that these guys were doing whenI'm doing research in my
(03:21):
community.
And before I knew it, mycousins and I started to play
when Antelians came out of mygrandma's lawn and fight the sea
and get to grab the cool board.
But my interest eventually grewmy grandma's lawn so I strove
along to the dock and approachedDr James Wadipo, who's actually
my boss still today.
I'm 11 years old, small littleskinny kitty, I want to come
(03:43):
over to you guys.
And he looked at me and shookfor a second and really that's
where my life changed completely.
I got on the boat with amanatee and being out there with
these world-renowned scientists, learning about these species,
hearing that manatees areendangered and during those
younger days I didn't even knowwhat the word endangered meant
when it was explained to me andto understand that these animals
(04:05):
are in trouble and I live righthere.
Why can't I do something?
Particularly when it felt thatit was my responsibility to be
in, that they're part of ourculture, part of our community,
part of our waters.
To know that something such aslike your neighbor that is in
trouble and you feel the need toout, I need to do something.
You need to step up, speak out.
They need to represent themsince they are unable to
(04:25):
represent themselves, and theyneed to be a voice for them
since they can't speak.
And because they can't speakdoesn't mean that they don't
have something to sing.
It really is an honor and apassion for me to be able to be
a voice for these species, beable to tell their stories in
the smallest areas, the smallestcommunities, to the largest
city across the world.
Jason Elias (04:46):
It is incredible sometimes how the most random of
moments can have the deepest ofimpacts on our lives, and it's
inspiring to see your passionfor these animals, which came
out of a research boat simplycoming to dock.
But there must be somethingmore there for you.
And Manatees what does it youfind so incredible about
Manatees in particular?
(05:07):
What is it that moves youpersonally about these animals?
Jamal Galves (05:16):
People look at me and say, oh, you're saving one
and this, but they don't knowthe back story to it.
Because they saved me first,Manatees saved my life.
Growing up in a coastalcommunity, poverty within were
(05:38):
exposed to guns, crimes, jobs,violence.
It's very difficult for youngkids like myself to walk a
straight path.
You're influenced by yourenvironment, you're influenced
by your surroundings and I couldhave fallen off that path a
long time ago.
But meeting, interacting andseeing these animals light and
(06:07):
feeling the need to want to dosomething about that teared my
road away from guns the great,from violence.
People where I grew up, societydon't believe that we're meant
to be researchers and scientists.
It's just not the norm.
So where are we writing thatnorm?
(06:29):
I'm hoping that my path will bea dream for the next generation
of young boys and young girlsthat come from where I come,
from a group like ILO.
For me, the personal connectionis a sense of I'm in depth to
them for saving my life.
(06:50):
So saving their lives isrepaying my debt to the species
that have kept me alive allthese years and do not have
fallen short of my destiny, donot have ended up in prison or
in jail.
People look at it as me savingmy land, but it's basically me
(07:17):
returning that favor that wasgiven to me some years ago.
Jason Elias (07:29):
That is beautifully said, so how does that relate
to your work at the ClearwaterMarine Aquarium Research
Institute?
What is it that you and yourteam are doing there, and why do
you find the work there soimportant?
Jamal Galves (07:44):
It's not really an aquarium, but more of a marine
rescue center.
It's more of a marine hospital,and the work that we do is not
just rescue, rehabilitate,release animals back to the wild
, our home market.
Most impactful thing that wehad to clear at the Marine
Aquarium, though, is inspiration.
It really is what's going tochange the world.
(08:06):
I have a painting on my wall ofa huge man, and did a romance
in my mission statement, so Idon't get complacent Because I'm
not trying to save as species,as literally fighting extinction
.
You cannot afford to getcomplacent.
You cannot afford to getcomfortable.
I make myself comfortable,being uncomfortable, because
(08:26):
working in conservation oftenfeels like you're doing the
impossible but you're ungrateful.
We gotta do it anyway.
No work has led to creatingsafer space, but these animals
have a little bit of space thatthey can call their home.
When we are in our home, wewant to feel safe, we want to be
comfortable, so they deservethat sense of safety.
(08:47):
But till the sea and swim, cometo the surface to see a mother
and a calf in the rocket's mindblowing.
It tells in your heart.
Those are some of the greatestfeelings of being in this field,
that I don't get tired ofshiriman and these people.
The ocean is a large place thathas the biggest heart, so it
(09:10):
means that there's so much lovein the ocean that we should see
and feel it and give that loveback by doing the right things.
So a job is to light thatcandle in dark places so that
the world can shine and so thatthe globe can be bright.
And there's no payment that youcan receive that is greater
(09:31):
than the gratitude that you havein your heart for the work that
you've done.
Jason Elias (09:35):
Well, your passion is inspirational and your
dedication is evident.
So with that is there one story, one moment of being with
manatees you could point to ashaving some deeper meaning to
you.
Jamal Galves (09:50):
I was 12 years old , going to school in the city,
and on weekends I would go backto my village to spend the
weekends with my grandma.
And there were twoone-and-these in the rehab
facility in my village, onenamed Woody and the other one
named Hercules.
Woody was a young male calfthat was found in a place called
(10:11):
Buttonwood Bay.
Hercules was a young male aswell that was very sick to the
point where they felt that hemay not have recovered it's soul
, where it's true to they comestrong again.
I knew that they were there, soI got on the bus from Belize
(10:32):
City, taking it down to Jill'sPoint where my grandma live, and
we were getting late at night.
That night I could not sleepbecause I was so excited about
going down there.
I couldn't wait until morningto go down to rehabilitation
(10:54):
center to help feed and helpmonitor this young cow.
I got up at around 5 o'clock inthe morning.
It was so dark.
My grandma would ask me whatare you doing up so early?
I'm gonna go help monitor myaunties and feed them and
aunties and rehab.
I sat there and waited for myfriend to come by and he had
(11:17):
this three wheel cart that hewould carry Boxes of lettuce
down to the pen to feed them andaunties.
I sat on my grandma's table andwaited for him to couple of
pass.
When he got there he got in thecart and he would write us down
to the pen.
Most children of the time wereinterested in going to see my
aunties, so I had them all tomyself.
(11:38):
When he got there, he startedfeeding the aunties and just
feeding the two young cows, juststicking their head up waiting
to be fed, being there thatentire day, just literally
sitting down and just looking atthem, monitoring their breaths.
(12:00):
It seemed like a simple taskfor a 12 year old kid.
See, not even fun.
I don't understand why.
For me it was such an enjoyment.
Every time that man and theycome to the surface, you can
hear it and the sense of silenceand quietness and the movements
(12:28):
so gentle that you can barelyeven hear the water move.
So I'm just a sense of peace.
I'm not a quietness, I'm notthat.
I felt that I exist in theworld, just me and those two
(12:48):
hunters in this space.
I felt that I was in a spacethat I've never been before at
that moment.
Later the day we had to separatethe two males because we were
preparing them for healthassessment the day after and
(13:09):
this required getting in thewater.
I'd never gotten in the waterwith a man.
I'd never been before.
Most people are afraid of him.
I was afraid what I ate,one-h-two.
I got in the water andimmediately I could see the calf
coming towards me, a heartless,beating fat.
(13:32):
Not sure what this calf isgoing to do once he gets to me.
I'm standing in the water and Ican see him coming towards me.
My mind's racing, my thoughtsare flying through my head, my
(13:52):
heart's beating very fast, butstill I stood there and as the
calf approached me, I felt thateverything stopped.
My heart stopped beating, mystomach really didn't even move
(14:17):
and the calf literally put hisslippers around me, as if I'm
giving you a hug.
I stood for a second, fascinated, and I wonder how could they
find it within themselves?
I still love us humans whenwe're the reason that they were
(14:44):
there.
He's going to express thatmagnitude of love to me.
Why can't I just love them back?
And up to this day of my lifeis five words unspoken.
(15:05):
I'm grateful for you.
That's the message I got fromthat calf that day and it's the
message that I've carried for mylifetime and it's the message
that really keeps me going.
(15:25):
They may not be able to saythank you, but that gesture was
a gesture of a lifetime and it'sa gesture of a thank you for an
entire species.
Nothing can outdo that momentfor me.
Jason Elias (16:04):
Finally, we end every interview and every
episode with a single open-endedquestion.
We ask everyone we talk to whatdoes the ocean mean?
Jamal Galves (16:13):
to you.
What does the ocean mean to me?
There's not one meaning to theocean to me.
If you look in the dictionary,that's where you'll find that
meaning of an ocean.
But the definition in thedictionary doesn't resonate with
me.
There's no way I can put injust words what the ocean means
(16:34):
to me.
But if I was still, I would sayto me the ocean means life, not
just my life, but theinsurmountable amount of lives
that are within the ocean.
The ocean is constantly givenlove.
(16:54):
Every wave that you hear, everywave, a surfer surfers on.
Every wind that blows in thesea comes from the ocean.
It's the greatest reservoir oflife on this planet.
What the ocean means to me isnot what I can take from the
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ocean, what I can give to theocean, because the ocean has
given to us things that we wouldnot be able to give to
ourselves.
Jason Elias (17:29):
Thanks for listening to the Big Deep
podcast.
Next time on Big Deep.
Jamal Galves (17:36):
But for me, I think the ocean is the feeling
of longing, of the beauty, ofthe transience of the world.
It never lasts forever, it'salways transient, it's ever
changing and, ultimately, wealways have to leave.
Jason Elias (17:49):
We really appreciate you being on this
journey into the Big Deep as weexplore an ocean of stories.
If you like what we're doing,please make sure to subscribe
wherever you listen to podcasts.
Also, please find us on thesocials where you can like and
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really make a difference.
For more content from ourinterviews in our series, photos
of every guest or just to getin touch, please reach out at
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our website, bigdeepcom Plus.
If you know someone you thinkwe should talk to, please let us
know at our Big Deep website,as we are always looking to hear
more stories from interestingpeople who are deeply connected
to our world's oceans.
Thanks again for joining us.
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