Pluto the Series EP 1 Pt 1: The Deception and Oom Gap

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Hello and welcome to Big Gay Energy.
I'm Caitlin. And I'm Fiora.
Come along with us while we diveinto the fun and nuances of
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Cheers, queers. What's on the big agendas today,
Theora? Today we are finally talking

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about Pluto, the series Woo. Woo, it's about damn time.
It is, it's been a long time coming.
So this will be a scene by scenebreakdown so that if you've
watched our gap discussions, Heart Stop or Blank, this is
going to be like that. So we're going to go through
every single episode, every single scene, and talk about all

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the glorious things that are in this show.
So. Much.
There's so much. It's so great.
Show. It's an amazing show, so we're
going to spend a lot of time talking about it.
Thank our Patreon. This was their number one show
they wanted us to get into next and here we are.
So we're going to do that. We have just a couple of
announcements that's Pluto related, so we did watch the

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whole series together for the first time.
So if you'd like to watch us watching it and commentary,
commentating in reaction videos,there's a couple highlight reel
is on YouTube. We did the whole series that's
on our Patreon. So for $5 a month, you get
access to that and you get earlyaccess to these episodes.
Plus they're ad free. Plus there's a lot of cool
people over there leaving comments.

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You just read the comments, see what we're up to, have fun over
there. If you don't want to spend $5,
join our discord. And there's a bunch of
discussions going on about everyThai girl of show, all the
couples girl rules. Because I'm sure if you're here,
you're probably excited about that too.
So like there will be discussions of that.
You could talk about these episodes.
It's a fun time over there. The link to that is in the

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description. And last Pluto related thing is
that we at some point are going to do a merch giveaway for Pluto
merch. So like at the end of the
series, GMTV had like a bunch ofpre-orders for Pluto specific
items. So we are going to do a
giveaway. We haven't decided what the
giveaway is going to be. We will announce it on our

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social media. But the items we will be giving
away are the mug from the show. Of course it's in the show
because it's GMMTV. They are amazing at product
placement. So the Pluto mug and then also
the little Pluto candles that are everywhere.
They say Pluto on it. I will point them out when they
show up in the show. I think it smells like vanilla.

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But anyway. So we'll be doing giveaways for
those. We don't again, know the terms
yet, but like follow us on social media.
We'll announce what it is there and you can follow along and see
if you're eligible for the raffle or however we're going to
do that. It's a good time over there.
It's a good time over there. So just we're everywhere at Big

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Gay Energy Pod. So no matter the social media
platform, just look for Big Gay Energy Pod and you'll find us.
Just follow us there and we'll announce what the giveaway is
once we figure it out. And lastly, as you know, if you
you're a long time listener or if you're new here, hi, neither
of us are of the Thai culture. We don't know the Thai language

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like we're learning, but we are not in any way experts.
So we're going to mess things up.
We're doing our best. As we analyze this, it will be
through a white western queer lens.
So we're going to miss things. So if we miss things, please
correct us in the comments. We do have a correction, huh?
Nicely. Yeah, nicely in the comments.

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And we do usually do a correction segment at the
beginning of the episode to likeclarify what we were corrected
on. Just please be aware that we
record these episodes in advance, so you're not going to
get your comment read until likemany episodes later.
And that's because we filmed them in advance because like as
you can imagine, editing these episodes take a long period of

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time. So we have to like do it in
advance. But we will get to your comments
and give you a shout out. So just want to throw that out
there now. All right?
Are you ready to get into Pluto or do you have any other quick
announcements, Caitlin? No, I think it's it's Pluto
time. Pluto deserves its time to
shine. It does Pluto the planet and

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also Pluto the series. But before there was Pluto the
series there was Pluto the novel.
So this is part of the Ciao Pluto universe Pluto.
I will say at this point, I haveread the novel and so I
understand all the people who are like, Dang, this is
different. It's not us, the series
different, but it's different enough and we'll we'll get into

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it. So if you're not looking for
book spoilers, this might not bethe podcast for you because I am
going to kind of give book spoilers as we go through.
I'll try to give you a warning so you can skip ahead if you
don't want them. But this was a child plenoid
novel and GMFT took it and that they're like, we'll put our spin
on this and that's kind of how we got here.

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At this stage, I think the episodes are still on YouTube,
but I heard that they're moving it over to streaming platforms
and taking it off YouTube eventually because money, which
like I get it, that's how we getmore shows and G.
MCV needs to keep giving us moreshows because they're amazing at
it. They are this.
We've jokingly said this, but itmight get more serious as we go

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on. We might become a GMMTV podcast.
That's because just they're banger after banger.
Every single one of their shows.Seriously.
Yeah. OK, so as I mentioned, this is a
continuation of the Ciao Pluto Sapphic Multiverse and quick
synopsis of Pluto. This is stars May AKA Mehta we
the brilliant lawyer who captures the hearts of twin

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sisters Ayoon and O Boom. Oh, but wait, it gets messier
because not everyone is in the know about who is dating who.
Or are they? That's my synopsis of.
Pluto, your synopsis, you wrote.Oh my God.
I thought that was the actual synopsis.
I wrote it out. Because that is perfect.

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So that's Pluto. If you haven't seen Pluto at
this point, pause this, go watchPluto and then come back.
So we're just spoil literally everything and not in a linear
way. So like, watch all the things
before you listen to us. Yes.
No, we spoil it right away. Spoilers for all of the episodes
and book spoilers will be included in this package.

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You're about to drop. But like, come on the ride
because it's going to be super fun.
Can I just reread that last sentence real quick?
Absolutely. Oh, but wait, it gets messier
because not everyone is in the know about who is dating who,
even if they're in the couple. But they're not in the know that

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that's. Or are they?
What a great show. I will say, as per usual and as
you should expect, the novels Wilder because.
Of course. Oh my God, the novels.
Wilder. Ciao.

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Yeah, like it's like a girl. GMMTV had to humanize a bunch.
Of people in the show. I don't think I've read a Ciao
book yet, but I really should. Yeah, I guess you.
I guess you didn't read Blake orGap.
I've been reading all the Mon ma.
We've read Mon Ma, Oh my God, Mon Ma spoiler alert Somewhere

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somehow is fucking hilarious so we're going to do a book club on
it because it's so funny. Mon Ma is a great writer, I love
her. Anyway, we also.
OK, so we're a GMFTV in a Mon. MA podcast, all right.
So shall we drive into Pluto? Let's get started.

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Let's do it. All right, let's do it.
So Pluto. The series starts with a time
jump into the future and we get a scene with May and I sitting
on the camper and it's like really cute and romantic and
like not knowing anything that'sgoing on.
You're just like, Oh my God, they're so cute.
And what a bunch of lesbians areout in the middle of the woods
like. This is already really good,

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like nothing happened surrounding them.
It's so cute and there's like lights everywhere.
And then like I is like reading poetry.
She wrote to May basically. And if you look carefully in the
scene, like May doesn't have thePluto necklace yet.
So it's coming from another episode before.
Like I gives her the Pluto necklace and they like have

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their first time together whenever in the camper.
So this is like before that takes place, but during that X
excursion. And this coincidentally it's the
same night Oom wakes up from thecoma.
So like, what an auspicious sideif you know what's happening in
the scene. That was a very homophobic time
for OOM to wake up. Listen.

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Oom, she did that shit on purpose.
Let's be honest, her Spidey senses were taking language.
She's like, must wake up. Where's Mae?
Something's wrong. It's all right.
We called Beth from the very beginning.
Listen, I have a lot of thoughtsabout OOM, honestly.
Oh yeah, spoiler if you're new here, we do what Taylor Swift

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song fits this episode at the end?
And I was like going through a bunch of them and I'm just like,
this is about oom. This is about oom.
All these songs are about OOM. What the hell?
Like, I have unresolved feelingsabout OOM.
That's all I got to say. Where does Taylor?
Swift learn. I don't know.
It tends to Oh my God, no, I'm still.

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Commended. Taylor Swift should like partner
with one of these studios to produce a Thai girl of because
most of that they did all go with her songs and I feel like
her writing part of it too wouldmake it even more messier and.
I want her to Co produce girl roles.
Oh my God. And then do like a cameo.

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I would love that. And randomly turn it into a
musical. That's also on my wish list,
yeah. OK now that people you and
someone else in the discord, I think AIA.
Amex. They were talking about girl
roles being a musical, and I'm like, OK, I'm here.
Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that.

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Anyway, back to so I is not justreading any old poetry, she's
reading an excerpt from her journal.
Like specifically an entry whereshe's waxing poetic about May,
which is on brand for. Her and she does that the whole
show. She does that the whole show and
it ends with just like them being really cute and like I

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initiates a kiss like she kissesMay.
So it's like kind of showing like where they're at at this
point in their relationship where like I is openly
affectionate with May and like they're very in love and like
sweet with each other at this stage before umm wakes up and
fucks up everything. We'll get to that later.
All right. But then May the smart one helps

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us understand the title of this series by asking I, what planet
do you come from? To which I responds Pluto.
OK, so I think we need to take alittle pause here and talk about
the novel a little bit. So if you don't want to hear
about the novel, skip ahead likea couple minutes.
But Chow does this thing when she writes where she picks a
theme and like really sticks with it.

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So in this novel, she was reallyall about the Pluto metaphor.
Like it comes up constantly. She's that was the theme of this
book. And I want to explain what she
means by that because I think Jimmy MTV does a good job of
like a show don't tell with it. But Chow is like super explicit
in the novel about this. All right, so this is an excerpt

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from the novel where she explains this.
This is May Who's saying this? I read about Pluto on a web
board. Well, the writer has very
advanced thinking. So it got me interested in
Pluto. And then May is continuing to
tell I about this thing. And basically what it says is
the writer compared themselves to Pluto.
The writer has a childhood friend who orbited close but

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didn't pay any attention to thatfriend until one day when that
friend slowly distanced themselves and disappeared.
The writer then thinks of that friend.
When putting away old stuff in our lives, there's always
someone who comes into our livesfor us to forget.
As time goes by, when we think back, we miss that person.
But by the time we do, that person no longer in our lives.

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It's like Pluto being taken off the list of planets in our solar
system. People knew that it was there
but didn't pay any attention until it was no longer there.
And people still didn't care until one day someone said it
used to be a planet in our solarsystem.
So this is how we get like the scene later with them as kids.
First of all, bitch, I never forgot Pluto.

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Damn, first of all that was so deep and beautiful.
Ciao. No one died but I mean like
still someone was taken away butlike Oh my God Ciao.
No, yeah, she was on her theme in this book.
Like, yeah, it was real good. That hurt.
I know. There's always someone that you
look back on, but I think you know what?

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No, Saturn was My favorite. Was Pluto being taken away.
The reason I love Pluto, Oh my God, that's so sad.
It's So what? What is going on with my life?
I think I'm having a crisis right now.
Solar system crisis. OK, wait, it keeps going.
OK, so child is this thing whereshe kind of uses Pluto as this

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metaphor of like you're you notice them, then you don't
notice them kind of thing. And then she uses this concept
of like orbit, which I will bring up in the show that I
think GMFTV read this and ran with it because that's how you
get the love triangle, which is not not that I May 1 but like
the lady one that we thought wasa thrumple that was just in the

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that was GMMTV did that hottie. Yeah, an officer hottie that was
in the show only. And it plays with this concept
of orbit that Chow talks about. But anyway, so that's the Pluto
metaphor. It's about like, oh wait,
actually, no, it gets sadder. I have to.
I'm sorry. It gets sadder.
Because then they start talking.Sorry so sad, Theora.

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No, wait. It gets worse.
I have to wait. No, leave me alone.
OK, wait. Hold on.
I also have Pluto research that I'll get into in a little bit if
it doesn't say it in the book. OK, this is May talking so this
is a continuation of what I justread.
It's sad that there was a time when someone was in our lives
and there were some connections,then the world suddenly threw us

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apart. We don't remember each other
anymore. This is she's and she's talking
to I and she's talking to I at this kind of stage where like I
has no idea that May is talking about her, but she is.
And then she's saying, yeah, baby, they don't remember us.
Or maybe we still do, but we're not as close as we were before.
We've become Pluto in each others lives and this is eyes
brain. We go quiet after that.

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What May said makes me determined to count the stars
again and I will also go look for this post as soon as I go
home. I love it.
I and then I asked, have you ever been a Pluto in someone's
life? Oh wait, no sorry.
May asked this to I sorry. And then I says I don't think
so. I won't let anyone forget me
that easily. And then May says yeah that

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means you are the you. There are Pluto's in your life
and you are their Galaxy. And I was like, no, I don't
think so. I remember everyone in my life
and Mae says no, there must be someone that you forgot.
In front of you. Damn.
It and I insist there isn't. What about you?

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Do you have a Pluto in your life?
And Mae says maybe but I don't know who and I says have you
ever been Pluto in someone's life?
The question causes Mae to go quiet before she nods and admits
yes. I says oh and do you remember
that person? May I can never forget like damn
Ciao. OK, well, you said to get

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sadder, but this is kind of funny.
I don't know it's the way you'rereading it, but it's just like,
yeah, it's heartbreaking. For May, it's funny.
Because she's saying it in frontof.
To the person her. Galaxy.
And to her Galaxy. Yet exactly it's.
So that's the only reason why it's funny because she's not
like the lost connection. Just Remember Me, damn.
It I just I who's like, I would never forget a soul and it's

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like girl. But then I was like, no, you
definitely have. To know like someone made such
an impact on you but they don't remember you.
So like that means that she meant that I meant more to her
than Oh my God. Sorry all the names get confused
in my head then Mei meant to I and that's just so sad.

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It's so sad. But not anymore.
Yeah, no, not anymore. But that is the basis for like
the title of the show and kind of how they play with this
orbiting concept of like people coming into your life and
impacting you. But then like they don't.
I think it's kind of like the, Ithink it's like The Avengers
thing or I don't know, somethingwhere it's like you did this

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thing that changed my whole lifeand the other person's like that
was a Tuesday to me. I don't remember any of that
because it was so like whatever.That's kind of like their
relationship a little bit. And that happens with other
characters too. And it's really interesting how
GMFT runs with it. And I will bring that up when we
get there. But that's why we keep harping
on Pluto even from the beginning, because May remembers

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everything. And I was like, I don't impact
you. Bring up you bring up Avengers.
That is definitely the Hawkeye storyline.
Yeah, maybe that was it. I just know the saying.
I don't actually know what it's from.
All right. Anyway, so after the Pluto

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metaphor stuff, we get they these two get all cute again.
And then we get this voice over from I.
And I think that it's not just her waxing poetic in the moment.
I think that this is another excerpt from her journal that
she's reading. And I think that the whole
series is kind of told through this journal entry that later
that while May is reading it later on.

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But the voice over we get now isI explaining their love story,
basically her and Mays as being as epic as Pluto's orbit.
And yeah. And I think that that's GMMTV
essentially setting up the series being told from the point
of view of Eyes journal that Mayis reading later on that kind of
explains everything. And at least that's how and

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that's how I choose to read it now that I've come back and
looked at this. And if that's true, Eye has an
impeccable memory, like the way she vividly remembers all this,
all this shit, like the way she didn't remember May at all when
they first met. And now, like, everything's
vivid detail the second time around.
It's kind of wild. I feel like she will now for
like the stuff that's going on currently.

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She is writing it right afterwards.
Yeah, because. There's a scene where like she
is writing it during our reaction, we're like, why are
you writing it down? You don't have written evidence
about everything that's happening anyway.
But during this voice over, she says our story runs like Pluto's

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longest journey. Now we both didn't know what
Pluto's longest journey is. And Pluto's orbit is 248 Earth
years, which is insane. That is so long.
That's how old America is. I think One Earth Day is like 86
years on Pluto. No, that's not right.

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That's definitely not right. It's whatever.
Never mind. I didn't write down that
statistic. Don't quote me on that one, but
I did some more research into Pluto.
And it's also kind of sad because Pluto was originally
named Planet X because they could not find Pluto and.

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Sorry. I'm sorry, I did not write down
the original person searching for Pluto most of their life,
not most of their life, but for a very long time and did not
find it before they died. So they died and the that was
his main goal was to find PlanetX because he's like there's

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there's God of it, it's there I saw it, it has to be there.
But they he couldn't find it again.
And after he died, his wife wanted to continue this mission
to find Planet X, so she got 23 year old Clyde Tombow OR OR
though like the organization hired Clyde to try to find

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Pluto. So on February 18th, 1930, after
a year of searching, Clyde finally found Pluto at 23 years
old, which is amazing, first of all.
But he found it by imaging the sky in pairs of photographs,
then examining the pairs to determine if any objects have

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shifted position. So the way that they found
Pluto, it kind of reminds me of how twins may switch places to
fool people and you may have to look hard to be able to tell
what's who is who, what is real and like, look for what you're
actually searching for. Which brings us to well. 1st I'm

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also really glad Chow didn't go with the I searched for you my
whole life and never found you part of Pluto's origin story
when she did the metaphor, so itsucked.
So that. No, Yeah.
Could you imagine what if like all this happened in the?
Afterlife. No, listen, I don't want.
That still goes with Taylor Swift.

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Yeah, but I don't want it. I'm glad she didn't do that.
OK, Thank you, Chow for not going strictly with the origin
story. OK, so let's go to our next
scene. So after we get the flash
forward, we flashback to scienceclass in 2011, following little
I back into like elementary middle school.
I can't really tell. And they're in like either way,
it's science class time and the kids are learning about the

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solar system. And I is obviously the smartest
student in the class because shecorrectly points out the teacher
forgot Pluto from the list of planets.
And I OK, so I think I'm going to steal a little bit of your
next point. Umm is like Pluto's not a

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planet. It was taken out of the solar
system. Lies and I just I yes, yes,
lies, but but I love how the teachers like correct umm Pluto
was taken out of the solar system and then she turns I also
and good job, Ayun. You remember Pluto was a planet
and like just just that sentence, just like the job.

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You do remember something? I, I, it's just hilarious in my
brain. But also, yes, remember that
Pluto was a planet because it isa planet.
It is a planet past tense. We have made our stance on this
and so, umm, we don't agree withyou, bitch, But the important
thing from the scene other than Umm's a liar, is that we get a

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glimpse into I and Umm's relationship.
Like I is this cool kid that everybody loves.
So the minute like the teachers like whatever, I, I guess good
job for remembering this. I was like, well, here's why I
like it. She makes like a pun about Pluto
and, and like gets the class laughing because she's like the
cool kid and everybody's kind ofdrawn to her.
She's charming, charismatic, andBoom's just got her like

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teacher's pet going for her. And so like that's really the so
you see that the twins are pretty different, kind of like
how people respond to them. So like you got goody 2 shoes,
oh Boom and then you got like the class clown and that's
that's the two of them. Also, one of them is pro Pluto
and one of them is a Pluto hater.
So there's also that that makes the difference.
Hashtag Pluto hater as we have established we are a no hate

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Pluto podcast. I also forgot to mention that
there are countless people fighting for Pluto like in the
scientific community to like there have been committees like
gathering to try and get Pluto back to be a planet and it's
just no one can agree so that there are people fighting for

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Pluto now. Chow just made that even sadder,
though. Pluto, Pluto's, whatever you
want it to be, and we're Team I in this regard.
It's a planet. Yeah.
OK, so basically the twins, they're identical twins, but
they have opposite personalities.
And there seems to be already aschildren, some animosity between
the twins. Because then we get a voice over

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from I, again, from the journal entry being like, you know, it's
a real shame that Pluto is no longer in the solar system.
I'd rather just eat my sister out of the solar system which is
so dark. It's so dark, but like, in her
eyes right now. Your sister's perfect.

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But you know, I, you're perfect to me.
So funny. You're my Pluto.
I is my Pluto. I is my Galaxy.
I'm a Pluto for her. Let's be honest, she's the
Galaxy. Anyway, she's so funny.
OK, so then after that we we time jump to present day and we

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get a glimpse of a Boom's car crash on her wedding day and
then we hard cut to eye who's waking up in the middle of the
night by her hysterical grandmother because Boom was in
a car crash. So it could be that she's
hearing the grandmother, but to me, the lesson kind of seemed
like it was a dream that she wasthinking about.

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And she was thinking about this,the Pluto lesson, and how she
was thinking about eating her sister of the Universe, and then
just gets a feeling that something bad happened.
And that's what makes her shoot up out of bed before her
grandmother even gets to her room.
Yeah, that's how I saw. It it could be, I like that.
Definitely could be it. I was reading it from the

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journal entry where I was like, I'm going to tell Mae this story
and she's like, let's go back tothe beginning.
We hated each other as children.I wanted to eat her.
And then like then the eating happened because the universe
said so it was nice to could be.I think she got the first time.
I was like, I also read it your way.
And then I was like, I think what wakes her up is the
grandmother like banging on the doors because she wakes up and

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she said, was she, I'm I awake? And then there's, yeah, there's
banging, but I don't, you don't hear it in I's dream.
You hear it when she's awake because she's like, why am I up?
And then like, you hear banging,But you know, it's whatever you
want it to be. OK.
But the the point of this scene is like, despite, despite the
animosity that's clearly been anundercurrent in I and Umm's

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relationship, it's really clear in this moment that I loves her
sister because she looks terrified when Grandma tells her
about this car crash her sister was just in.
So naturally, I and Grandma raceto the hospital, and by the
grace of lesbian Jesus, they arrive minutes after a boom gets
there. Like how?

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So this, this comes up in almostevery show we watch at this
point in the Tiger Love universe, and I am convinced
that teleportation does exist. If you are a lesbian trying to
get to someone who is being rushed to the hospital.
Not just right, right they're not.
Just in the hospital, Yeah, they're being rushed.
Like it's an only donation. Yes, it's blank.

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No, there's another show. Definitely.
It's every show. They end up at the hospital
right as they're being rolled back.
You know, the only one where it picks the only one where it
makes sense and teleportation isplausible is in the reverse for
you universe. But they're doctors in the
hospital. So it's like I'm like you could
have. Started there but the my other

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explanation for this is emergency services are really
slow in Thailand. It's the and somehow the
grandmother was called first. Yeah, or the traffic was so bad
wherever, umm, was that they were just like Jesus Christ,
Like, no, I let me do. I was like driving recklessly.
I wouldn't put it past her. She does like almost get run

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over. I don't know if it was a truck
that was the ambulance when they.
Were at the hospital so yeah it could be could be all right
regardless things don't look good for umm when we get to the
hospital she's covered in blood and is getting like electroshock
with the the ACD machine which means she's already had cardiac
arrest and in that moment she's technically dead and that's why

(28:50):
they're doing the shock because she's dead so that's not good.
Then we get this scene which I love where I and grandma
basically the staff is like listen we have to take her back
into a actual operating room or whatever you guys got to stay
there like let the doctors do their thing.
And so I and grandma are like frozen in the lobby of the ER

(29:11):
while the world is basically bustling around them and they
did this shot in a fair also where like the mains are like
literally standing still and then all the people are kind of
like rush rushing around them and they kind of like like play
it quickly so that you see this rushing of bodies while they're
frozen and I like this technique.
I thought this was a really goodchoice for this moment because

(29:32):
it really encapsulates how helpless and stuck I and the
grandmother feel because there'slike literally nothing they can
do except just like grieve whilelike time goes on and hopefully
things work out for umm Like it's.
I think that's a good way to capture that feeling of being
the family member that can't actually do anything but like
exist there and wait. And also how like, that's the

(29:55):
only thing on their mind. The world is literally a blur to
them. Yeah, because they could
probably even like with them crying.
Like everything is literally blurry.
That's a good point. That too.
That too. That too.
Yeah, that's a really good point.
But like, damn. So.
Either way, it's great job shooting that.
I don't know. I don't know exactly the not

(30:18):
dynamics, but like the situationof how they were able to shoot
that, I'm sure there's probably something out there that shows.
You I don't know if there's BTS for Pluto, but there's BTS for a
fair where they did it and they show you how they set it up And
like basically because they did it spoiler 11 and playing a
reunited in the hospital and they see each other after the
big 13 year gap. And basically they had like the

(30:39):
two actors stand there and they couldn't move, and then
everybody's blocked and they walk around them and then they
literally just like speed it up in post.
So it's like, yeah, no, it's yeah, it would still be 60
frames. And then they just yeah, you
have to film it at a higher frame rate.
Whether? I imagine so.
So if you slow footage down, youwant to film it as 60 frames

(31:02):
instead of 30 or 24 just, which is basically how many images
you're getting in one second. Yeah, yeah.
So this BT is for a fair. I don't know about this, this
particular scene. Anyway, good choice.
Love it. So already we're off to a good
start with this being an amazingproduction because that's why we
want to be a GMMTV podcast. They're all good.

(31:23):
OK, so then this scene ends witheyes journal entry again, where
she says all right, now we're regretting basically eyes.
Like I regret eating my sister out of the solar system.
What do I do to get my Pluto back?
Meaning her sister. And I think that I at this stage
carries a lot of unresolved guilt towards UMM.

(31:44):
And in this moment in the hospital where she's like
helpless to what's happening with her sister, I think this is
the kind of breaking point for I.
And you can like really see it on her face.
And it sets up why she's going to agree to go through with,
UMM, shenanigans to break up with her lover, which is May.
And this guilt that she carries is one of the rationales she

(32:06):
tells Mae in the future, like through the journal, like she
feels really guilty towards Om. And that kind of like sets up a
lot of AI's character basically already in this little scene.
I I love. I I I.
Is going through some shit because her.

(32:26):
I mean, this literally is an incident that's turning
everybody's world upside down again.
Yeah, Umm is sorry. I always call Umm Mei in my
head. Umm, is Pluto for everybody
she's meant to be in this moment?
She really is. She's everybody's Pluto.
Oh my God, that's so true. Poor again.

(32:49):
I have a lot of unresolved feelings about umm, poor umm
show umm book umm is another story.
Show, umm, we'll get into book. Umm, we'll get there.
Show, umm, we, we love her. And yeah, she's everybody's
Pluto. That's a really good way of
putting it. Speaking of things we love.
So let's cut to the OST. So first of all, it's called

(33:11):
Pluto is the OSD. Love this song.
If you have a chance to watch the whole like video the whole
song, it's really, really, really good.
I like the way they put this song together and how they use
it later in the show the show the song will come up.
Actually, no, it's not this song.
Different song. I love this song.
It's really, really good. And I like that they stuck with

(33:32):
the space theme because that wasreally on brand for the novel as
I just kind of like read. So I like that they paid homage
to that. And they also edit the opening
credits to look like a scrapbookslash a journal, which clicked
for me when I was like, oh, thiswhole thing is supposed to kind
of be like a big journal entry that Mae is reading.
So they were like, here's the scrapbook of the show.

(33:53):
So I was like, oh, that was alsoclever and goes in line with how
they're telling this story. That's what I was looking at
while watching it too, and I was.
But there are some shots that don't really typically match the
journal scrapbook thing. Right.
Well, maybe that's like the dreamy version of it because
sometimes you over elaborate or it's it's not like completely

(34:14):
accurate. It's just like what you're
remembering. Yes, that's the bright fuzzy
part of it. Yeah, because my other favorite
thing that this show does is it plays with point of view really
well, and that's one of my favorite things.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
So like, you're right. So whoever's telling the story,
like I for example, could gloss over certain things with her

(34:37):
poetic brain, You know what I mean?
Like you're saying, I do point of view well, like my God, not
doing the exact same thing too. Like you want to watch it again
because. It.
Is completely different. It's completely love it.
We will get there, but I can't wait.
Thank you for bringing that up. Again, because it just.
Reignited my excitement. Yeah, that's one of the things I
love the most about this show ishow they deliberately play with

(34:58):
point of view. And another thing I really love
about the opening credits is that it doesn't give away the
plot. Like, it doesn't give away the
entire show. Like sometimes you watch the
opening credits and you're like,I've just watched the show.
They don't do that. I don't know.
That's why I don't pay attentionto the opening credits or it's
just me, but this one kind of makes it like, oh look how
pretty and cute these two leads are.

(35:20):
I mean, yes, there's that too, and it's effective.
They are cute. It is OK.
Other thing I thought was reallycute and something that they
definitely were cognizant of in the Series A lot was the fact
that one of the main characters is blind for a significant
portion of the show. So in the opening credits, in
addition to having a tie and an English translation, they added

(35:44):
Braille underneath, which is thelike international sign
language. Not sign language international
like written language for the visually impaired, which I
recognize does not help the visually paired on screen.
But but I do love this attentionto detail that like that's part

(36:04):
of the story and they're paying homage to that.
So I like the detail. It's not functional, but I like
the detail. It's not, but it's it's not
erasing maze. Yes, in the opening.
Credits, yes, because there's shenanigans in the book when it
comes to man, her blindness. And GMMTV said no.

(36:27):
And I respect them for that. Hardcore.
And they were like, I can't tellthis story of a disabled person
because like, there's not enoughof that.
So #representation matters. And so I like that they did that
and they were like, here's some actual issues.
Here's like, they actually did agood thing with that plot line,
and I respect them for that. I'll use it.

(36:49):
For drama, they. Actually, you are on track.
That makes sense. Yeah.
I was thinking about like, Oh myGod, wait a minute, this is
great represent. Again, I don't know how accurate
it is. I don't know anyone who's blind
in my own life, but just having that reputation representation
on screen is not something you get very often.

(37:10):
No. And from my experience of
watching things, they're kind ofthe villain.
It's always the people who are disabled who are the villains.
So I mean, you're kind of led tokind of believe that later.
We'll get into it. But yeah, she's she's looking
for her love in her life. But I also did not notice that
it was translated in Braille in the opening credits.

(37:31):
And I'm sad that I didn't see that.
I just I like that and I like that even they even had them
have conversations about like what's it like to be disabled in
like the modern world. And just even having those
conversations I think was just important on its own.
Whether you want to argue that May is good representation of a
disabled character, like valid, no matter what you think about

(37:52):
that. I just like that they even had
they had conversations in here even that I thought was
valuable. But it's so easy to think that
everything's accessible to everyone because you see those
like little things that are madefor accessibility, but the
things that are made for, it's not always accessible either.
Yeah, it is a great commentary on it.
Yeah, I think in the next episode she has a conversation.

(38:12):
I will get into that. But before we get there, we have
to time jump 10 hours before thecar crash and let's get into
Umm's wedding. So it cuts to this really huge
fancy AF building with this giant ass chandelier and all
these guests and like formal attire, like arriving and
there's bouncers and then here comes I on her motorbike in her

(38:35):
DoorDash uniform and she shows up and like parks her motorbike
in front of the door. Was she expecting on the valet
her bike? Like what was she doing I guess.
I don't think so. I don't.
I don't think she cares enough. No, I don't think she.
For like even the ballot, I think she's being forced to be

(38:56):
there. So she's like, you know what,
I'm gonna do whatever the hell Iwant.
Everyone else can deal with. Like they can go around me
because I'm basically the main event because my face.
I mean she is the main event. Is on the poster.
Let's just be she. Is.
Yeah, I is the equivalent of an A list celebrity in this scene
because she shows up and they'relike, who the fuck are you?

(39:18):
You're like street urchin, get out of here before you cause
trouble. And she's like bitch.
And then she points to her face and then she's like, you want my
ID? You don't need ID.
Look at this face. Look at the face and the poster.
Look at this face. Look at this face.
I have some thoughts about this scene because she is number one
on my heart and the call sheet at this event because look at

(39:40):
how well she rocks this simple outfit.
So simple. I mean, it's it's it's she's
wearing her jacket for work. It's just she's.
Yeah. Lesbian.
Jesus. Thank you for gracing us with
Nam Tam. Literally and like as a DoorDash
driver, she better get tipped. I mean, if she showed up to give
you food, be like, here's doublethe money I mean.

(40:02):
You know what? I mean, yeah, that's this is the
driver that you don't want to drop off at your door.
This is please open my door. I open my bed.
Come into my house. Stay forever.
Want some tea? Stay.
Forever. But I love how she just points
to her face into the poster because it would be so much
easier just to be like, oh, I amthe sister of the bride.

(40:28):
But again, she doesn't care enough to explain who she is.
And so she's like, just look at my damn face and tell me I don't
belong here. I I.
You're so weird. She's so.
Beautiful, perfect. She can do no wrong.
She's. Never done anything wrong in her
life. Nope.

(40:49):
What would have been funnier? Except one thing.
I mean it, was it wrong? I mean, was it?
Well, no, She was having strong feelings as a child.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.
OK, so before we get to that, back to the scene.
So this scene would have been 1000 times funnier if we didn't
get the car crash before it, because I would have thought she

(41:12):
was the bride. And this is how the bride was
showing up to the wedding, whichwould have been really fucking
iconic and hilarious. And she's just like, didn't want
to be at her own wedding and like, shows up on a motorcycle
in her door, trash uniform and is like, I'm the fucking bride.
Let me could you imagine if she was the bride?
Big dog? Funny.
This is why I and Big Nung wouldget along big.

(41:34):
Nung would 100% have done this at her own wedding if she rode a
motorcycle. Like tell me they would be
hourly. Tell me she wouldn't be friends
alive because she absolutely would be.
Anyway, I just thought that would be really funny if she was
the bride. That's what an entrance iconic
behavior. All right, but grandma is not as

(41:56):
amused with I as we are. So she's like, bitch, what the
fuck? You're at your door, Josh, you
before all the guests are here, like go change and eyes like
girl grandma. I had to work, which like
relatable, like she had to give some deliveries.
The wedding clearly hasn't started yet.
Like whatever, she's she's fine.She's fine, as we'll see in a
second. She cleans up just fine.
Like it's no big deal grandmother, but also like this

(42:17):
is pretty rude, I'm not going tolie.
Yeah, it is. It definitely is.
Like your own sister is showing up first of all late, not even
caring, has a bad attitude the whole time.
The whole time. Like this is peak like would
have a reason to be upset totally.

(42:41):
Oom has many reasons to be upset.
Like of all the characters, Oom has the reasons to be upset for
sure. But yeah, I just like straight
up doesn't want to be there. And that's, that's the root of
all of this. So Grandma pulls eye off screen
to go change and then we cut back to the wedding festivities.
And now at this, like on the rewatch, knowing what we happens

(43:01):
to, knowing what happens to UMM and Paul.
This scene is really sad where they're like being all cute on
stage and like professing their love to each other because UMM
tells the crowd their love is destiny.
OK? And then Paul later on says
thank you for trusting me with your life.
And it's like, damn it, writers.Like this was so dark.

(43:24):
He also says that he will take care of her.
For the rest of his life, he. Technically does keep his
promise. He does.
No he for sure keeps his promise.
The fact that this was her destiny is really sad.
He's like trusting your life with me.
And then later he gets rid of a car crash so damn.

(43:45):
But good thing about this wedding scene is that it's good
contacts for later on when we get into UMM after she like
loses her memories. So like in this little scene
with these two, we get the context that like UMM was a
flight attendant working for Paul's airline.
And for Paul, he claims that it was love at first sight when he
met Aboom. And but UMM, it took her a while

(44:07):
to quote, open her heart to Paul.
So like meaning that was not mutual.
Like the love at first sight wasn't mutual.
It took her longer and at the wedding though, if you watch
UMM, like she seems genuinely happy with Paul.
Like it like I is like God, my sister's so fake and stupid.
I hate her. But like UMM seems happy here.
So it seems like at this stage she kind of came to term with

(44:28):
her relationship with Paul, which we'll come into question
later. But of course, like, nothing in
this series is simple or you cantake nothing at face value in
this show. So like, we'll get into their
complexities later. But they did establish a bunch
of things very quickly that like, at first glance you might
miss, but on second glance you're like, oh wait, clever

(44:49):
writers. The writers are great.
The writers are so. Good.
So good. If you're right, if you're
listening to this, come talk to us.
Yeah, for real. Yeah, if you happen to be
listening screenwriters. Not like it happened before.
It has happened before, all right?

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So we learned that IA 100% does not want to be at this freaking
wedding because at this stage her rivalry she's got going on
with UMM is really strong still,like I.
Rolls her eyes while these speeches are happy.
She does. And like, part of it is, yeah,
her sister's happy. But I wonder if like the rivalry

(45:31):
aside from the sisters, I wonderif it's because she like doesn't
see the point in weddings because especially when you I
not remembering currently, like if she's ever really loved
someone. At this point, no, She.
Doesn't see weddings in her future because it's hard when

(45:52):
you don't see that for yourself.Because I remember before I came
out, I'm like, oh, weddings are stupid.
I don't see that. I because I'm like, oh, you have
to be with a man. And then as soon as I was like,
oh, I'm a lesbian. I'm like, oh, OK, maybe.
So I believe like at this point,she may have never considered
that she would end up with a woman.

(46:14):
And then having me in her life opened her eyes to like, oh,
marriage could be a good thing. So maybe that's also why she
rolls her eyes, because she's like, this is bullshit.
Yeah, I feel like that that could definitely be part of it
where I is basically like she says in her in her monologue
later where she's like, I used to think people like, boom,
we're like really fake and two faced.

(46:34):
And like we're she finds this performative, like the wedding,
which it is like it's kind of a performance in a way.
You know, you're like out here flaunting your sex companion.
And it's kind of weird when you think about weddings in the
modern era. Also weddings, at least in
America too, there's so many parties leading up to it.
I'm like, is this just it's a way to get stuff?

(46:55):
Right, it is. It is.
Yeah. Anyway, so like that's valid.
That's a valid read for I I alsojust think she's like jealous
and envious of Oom because what's happening with the
grandmother in this scene? Grandmother rubs it in where
she's like your sister has her life together.
I what the fuck's taking you so long?
And she's like, you need to get your shit together, be like her.

(47:17):
So I think that's other, the other part of this for I where
she's like, here's tangible giant festivity about how I'm a
failure compared to my sister ineverybody else's eyes.
Like I don't think she sees it that way.
To your point, I don't like, I envisions this for herself, but
like it's another one of those like there's a stepping stone in
life and like, look, your littlesister got there before you did.

(47:40):
What's wrong with you? I I think that's the other thing
that she just hates about this because it's like, I don't want
to be here because like, I wouldn't want to be here either.
If you're like, you're just going to compare me to my sister
the whole time. How could I enjoy this?
Wouldn't want to be there in general either.
Like weddings are boring anyway.I it's even sadder because you,

(48:01):
we know later how hard I is trying right now to have the
grandma not worry about her and not like, 'cause like be a
concern for her family. And just, it's just, it's so sad
because it's like she can't do enough.
Like she's not her sister, whichis creating this rivalry thing

(48:22):
because she can't be her sister.That's the whole thing of the
show, yes. Literally.
But she shouldn't have to be. Right, yeah.
So yeah, these multitude of reasons why I just like is so
visibly uncomfortable in this scene.

(48:43):
And the other thing I think she hates is dressing up formally.
I don't think she likes it in general because we get the sense
that she's not a dress in heels type of woman because she wore
sneakers to the wedding like theicon that she is.
Because heels are dumb and you like them.
That's. So dumb.
That's for you. That's for you.

(49:04):
But like, they're dangerous, manlike.
They're so uncomfortable, like why don't we do that?
I hear people talk about all this time, like, oh, it's so
rough walking around with heels.Like I take them off as soon as
I can. Why?
Are we? Wearing I do.
Then here's the why. Is that the symbol?
At least what I have known in America, like for business women

(49:25):
to have to wear heels just so they can be taller and more
powerful to stand up to the men that are in business.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous.
It is ridiculous. And I love that she wears
sneakers because this is also like I, I was like, I'm not
wearing to dress. I don't want to go to prom, but
fine if I have to. I'm wearing sneakers.

(49:48):
I was also really surprised whenwe saw her in a dress and like
she she seems like she'd want tobe in a suit.
I agree. Anyway, yeah, I love that that
comes up because again, they're trying to establish also the way
I and UMM are different. It's not just personality.
Like even like what they feel comfortable wearing is very

(50:09):
different. They are very different people.
Just because they're twins don'tmean they're the exact same
person. Correct.
And before we get to the twins actually communicating kind of
in the hallway. In the hallway.
We are going to take a break to give our Chaos Crew members over

(50:30):
on Patreon some shout outs. So our chaos crew members on the
big gay ride or die tier and above as of filming are Dana W,
Caroline RA mix, Monzone under score multi, Natalia, Danny,
Cassie M here for it, Jill L, Regina V and Monet F and our
featured big A supportive members for this episode are
Simba, Kay, Isla and Jasmine. Thank you so much for supporting

(50:54):
us. I see some of you on Discord as
well and it's so great seeing you interact.
We see everybody on Patreon interacting over there as the
filming. Isla and Amyx had a great
bonding time last night on Discord.
So go join Discord if you want to join a community of people
because I, I just had to bring that up because I, it just made

(51:17):
my heart so happy to see just people bonding over there and
really helping create this community that we want to create
for all of you who enjoy career content because it is so lonely
when you don't know people in your own life who watch the same
films as you. And that's the big thing that we
want to fulfill with this podcast.

(51:38):
Yeah, and if you just want to lurk, that's fine.
And keep up with just like everyshow on existence that's coming
out in like the Asian girl I've seen, they're on top.
Like shout out to Nancy, who basically runs our Discord at
this point because like, damn, Nancy's on top of every single
show that comes out. So yeah, it's good way to just
know what's going on. Like I'm always like, what is
this? It's in the.

(52:00):
Discord especially, it's very helpful because Nancy was so
stupid like hey you need to see.This also that yeah, that's.
Also, really Discord tells us watch this all of the
information that we need to know.
It's very helpful. So thank you Nancy and everyone
on Discord. Yeah, go make some friends.
All right, Speaking of people who need to be friends.
So this we get to I and Umm. So I escapes the party because

(52:22):
she doesn't want to be there. And then Umm also escapes the
party and finds I in this empty hallway that's adjacent to the
ballroom, I assume. And we get our first scene where
we have the twins. These the Nam not the twins, but
like Nam Tam as the twins in thesame scene because in the when

(52:46):
they were children, I think those are two act different
actors. And then here we have Nam Tam
doing both twins in the same shot.
And I would love to know more about how they filmed slash
edited the I oom scenes where Nam Tam is playing both
characters when they're on screen together.
Because I do wonder like if theydid like Orphan Black style
where like Nam Tam had like an acting double that acted in the

(53:07):
scenes with her. I'm just curious how they kind
of like went about this. I haven't seen any BTS that
talked about this so if there isany like please let me know.
I'm just very curious how they if it was just a Tati Adam
Aslani situation. Yeah, I think it's definitely
probably film similar to it. I would assume so.
There would probably be at leasta double when it's interacting
with each other, like hugging orsomething like that.

(53:29):
For sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But it's definitely you can't gopast this line because we need
to be able to edit it in it to it.
And there's a lot of post again.Do you know TV gets the budget
also with the between the product placements and
everything to be able to do things like this, which is
really cool. So we're not knocking smaller
studios because they do a great job as well.

(53:50):
Yep, they create the merge to it's, but it's very well filmed
and Nam Tam does an amazing job at separating these two
characters again, the Tatiana Maslani.
She's Tatiana Maslani of the Thai girl I've seen.

(54:10):
Yeah. No, like, even in the scene
right here, just her posture, as, you know, she's I because I
slouches and then UMM doesn't. And so like, just even like, how
the way she holds herself, you can tell which character she is.
Like, yeah. Like, the wardrobe usually gives
it away because, like, I likes to dress less formally than UMM,
So obviously that gives it away.Like UMM is much more like high

(54:34):
femme. I is not, so there's that.
But when you have them in similar attire, like she's still
Nam Tam is what I like to call afull body actor.
Like she like will tell you what's going on with her entire
body with the way she moves and holds herself in a scene.
Like you can tell who she is just by like her body.
And like that's why I will compare her to.

(54:55):
I think that's the comparison toTatiana Zoni because Tatiana
Zoni is a full body actor. Like you could tell just like
she's standing who she is in a. Scene and it's really hard
because you have to fully embodythat character.
You're not just like thinking about what they're thinking.
Like no, you are literally that character.
That's how you get the body language because it's easy when

(55:15):
you're 1 character because all you have to do is think about
their motivations and then who you are is becoming the body
language for that. But when you're having to
separate those people, you need to have your body language be
separate, which is hard if you're just being like yourself
with their mindset. Yeah, exactly.
So I, I'm very glad she got the opportunity to flex so many

(55:37):
acting skills because she did itreally well.
And like, this is not an easy thing to do, even when you're
playing twins. Like these are very opposite and
different people. And so she did a great job
conveying that even when the characters aren't speaking.
Like, good job, girl. But I would love to know if she
had an acting double in some of these scenes because like, kudos
to the acting double that had toact with her.

(55:59):
But yes, kudos to that's. What I mean because.
We do need to know more credit. Yeah, because they don't.
They don't. And that was like the big thing
about Tatiana in Orphan Black. She like gave her acting double
a bunch of credit to be like there wouldn't be these scenes
if she wasn't acting with me because like the acting double
gets erased by Tatiana when she's playing 2 characters on
scene. Same thing here.
Whoever in Nam Tam was acting with, that person's gone and

(56:20):
you're just replaced with Nam Tam in post.
So like you're not going to knowwho was acting on the like that
person had to know all the linesand do all the things and like
they get no on screen credit so.If you know theater, it's like
character who's an understudy oreven a swing.
So on Broadway, a swing actor issomebody who knows multiple

(56:44):
roles. So like at least 2-3, even more
roles. They're able to go into any
role. So they know all the
choreography, all the lines, allthe blocking, and are able to
step in in a moment's notice. And sometimes they don't even
get to perform at all. Yeah.
So it's insane how much they work.
They work maybe even harder thanthe person who was actually cast

(57:08):
because they need to know everything.
Everything. I would love if shows that did
use double s would have like an alternate universe type episode
where we do get to see the double because they deserve it.
Or at least have the special bonus thing, something that
really showcases them. And this is the same way I feel

(57:29):
about the people behind this screen too, like the all
everyone who works on this. We only see the people who we
see on screen. And like, that's the nature of
this content. But there's so many people
working just as hard and who arehelping these actors be the best
they can be as well, right? Agreed.

(57:50):
Just everyone needs so much recognition and, and if I can
find the names of people, maybe we'll just do a segment where we
just go through the list of people who have worked on the
show because they definitely deserve the recognition.
And if you're out there and watching this podcast, what is
that? We would love to talk to you.
Yeah. Everything you did, I totally
would. I'm trying to reach out to some

(58:10):
people. Yeah.
Wish us luck. OK, so let's get back to I and
umm. So I and UMM now that they're
alone start arguing immediately and UMM in this conversation
from the jump adopts this more like defensive body language
where she like closes her, she closes herself off.
She like does the cross arm things whereas I is more like

(58:33):
open body language and more likeaggressive.
Not like I don't mean these in bad ways, I just mean her body.
Like her stance is more like she's on the offensive, whereas
UMM is on the defensive in the conversation.
And so I wonder if Nam Tam did that on purpose to kind of give
us insight into these two peopleat this stage when we don't
really know what's going on withthem and their sibling dynamic.

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Whereas like AI is the strong one, hence being on the
offensive and UMM is the weaker one on the defense in the
conversation of just the two of them.
So that was the vibe I got from just because, again, full body
actor. I was like, I feel like she's
trying to tell us something of the way she's like standing at
the scene. All right, so then throughout
this conversation, we, we get a flashback because UMM is like,

(59:21):
listen, bitch, I'm here to cast a check that you owe me.
I and I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
So then UMM gives us a flashbackof a little I who stole Umm's
uniform to cosplay her sister inschool is basically what
happened. And before she steals the
uniform in this flashback, it cuts to OOM.

(59:43):
OK, and keep in mind this whole interaction of the two of them
when they're younger on the roofis Eye's point of view, not
Oom's, because Eye is. This is Eye's journal entry
we're still living in at this moment.
OK, so it reads from Eye's pointof view.
So then Eye is like playing, like touching Oom's uniform
because they go to different schools, so Oom's uniform is

(01:00:04):
different. Because UMM got a scholarship to
be in a private school and eyes in the public school.
So she's like playing with her uniform and UMM watching her.
And if you watch UMM, like UMM gives us like little subtle
smile and like you can kind of read it as a smirk from eyes
point of view, because that a full smile.
And from eyes point of view, I would think, oh, my sister's

(01:00:26):
bragging because she got into a better school than me, because
there's still that envy there from eyes point of view.
But if you take a step back and think about this scene from Om's
point of view, I think that the smile was more genuine because
OM, I think, is secretly happy that her sister is admiring her
uniform because that's the way she's looking at it.
And she's like, oh, I got into aprivate school, like on this

(01:00:48):
academic scholarship. So I think UMM in this moment is
just like, oh, finally my big sister's proud of me because
that's what she wants. And she's like, Oh my God, my
sister must think I'm so cool. But then no, this little asshole
just steals her uniform because I is envious of UMM, success and
jealous of the way UMM is revered by their grandmother at

(01:01:10):
this stage. So I was like, fuck you, umm,
I'm gonna prove that we're basically the same person.
I don't know why everybody puts you on a pedestal.
Like that's AI's point of view and Umm's like, no, we're
different and that's a good thing.
And like no, I said fuck you. And I thinks that UMM thinks
she's better as well. Right.
So exactly because of everythingthat goes down with them and we

(01:01:30):
get bits and pieces of that. But I feel again, I have
unresolved feelings about UMM, where I think UMM was just like,
yeah, my sister's happy for me and she was not.
So I cosplays UMM and while she's cosplaying UMM, we find
out later she fought some bullies.
That's all we know for now. Who retaliated the next day by
beating the shit out of UMM. Basically because UMM is not.

(01:01:52):
Because we saw again in the sibling dynamic, I is the
aggressive one, UMM is the defensive 1.
So like I was like, you know, she's like, you all can catch
these hands. And then UMM was probably like
oh shit. And she got the shit beat out of
her. So I seize this and her
immediate reaction is I'm going to beat the shit out of them
again. It was like, listen, girl, if
you keep fighting the bullies, they're just going to keep

(01:02:13):
beating the shit out of me. Like this is an end no win
situation. You need to stop and just make
this up to me one day. And I was like, you know, I
promise I'll do whatever you want.
And she like, there wasn't a picky promise.
It's not legally binding, but it's like pretty close the way
she promised this. And she's like, if I don't, I'll
bark like a dog in front of a temple, which would be really

(01:02:33):
funny if she didn't do this. Honestly, I think that would be
the. Most random thing to say and
like oh I promise they didn't pinky.
Promise. Did they?
They didn't so. So not legally binding, no
matter. Not legally binding girl.
Neither of them are lawyers, so like, let's be honest, they
don't know they're children. But something I did notice in

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this scene, because this is another scene where we're named
him is playing both characters, is that when they zoom back and
you get the wide shot of UMM andI in the hallway, eye looks
physically taller than OOM, which is interesting because
they're supposed to be it's the same person and nobody's wearing
heels in this scene. So like, interesting.

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It's because. Bigger.
It's because they have eye position slightly closer to the
camera so the depth of field is creating OOM being smaller.
But in a way with the way that'slooking, it kind of looks like
they're on the same playing, notplaying field.
Same plane of existence instead of being slightly staggered.

(01:03:40):
And I they're probably staggeredbecause of filming.
But it also would give you a sense that I has more power in
this scene, which technically she is because, like, she's over
ruling OOM. Yeah.
Also like it. It works because we learned that
like UMM sees I as my big sister.

(01:04:01):
So like physically it gives us alittle bit of that too.
Like I as the big sister like toUMM and UMM is the weaker 1.
So like it works in multiple ways.
I just thought that was really, I just caught it and I was like,
oh interesting, good choice. I mean, blocking I first, then
UMM, when you're staggering it made sense versus doing it the
other way around. You also see like in the
hallway, it's still that same positioning.

(01:04:23):
However, with I being more slouched, it's more even.
But they're still in that position where Oom's in a little
bit back of eye and the space. The gap is getting bigger as
they grow up. So then after the flashback we
shot shoot back to the hallway scene where OOM is like, OK, I

(01:04:45):
here's how you're going to make it up.
This was wild. When you don't know anything
because the shenanigans in the scene, I was like, OK, I here's
how you're going to make it up to me.
I need you to cosplay me one more time cuz you're so good at
it and it's only fighting bullies.
I need you to break up with my lover on my wedding day.
And it was like girl like. And I is rightfully shocked that

(01:05:07):
her sister is cheating on Paul. But I think from I's point of
view, because we get all this like, envy coming from I, I
think she's also like secretly pleased that she has actual
tangible proof that her sister isn't perfect like everybody
thinks she is. And she's like, damn, you're
kind of evil. And am I is like, like secretly
pleased about this, you know? Oh my gosh.

(01:05:35):
And so throughout this conversation struggles to ask I
for this favor and she refuses to divulge any details about
this and the and when you don't know what's going on, the first
read is alum's a shame because she did this horrible thing
which is not. Because like, because what we're
seeing is like, she's still dating someone and deceiving

(01:05:57):
Paul and this person because she's now married to someone
else. Those are facts.
You just said yes, no matter what.
That is all true. That is all true.
That is all true. So shame is the first read,
which is part of it, but later we find out Umm's point of view.
And really the reason UMM struggles so much to ask this

(01:06:21):
favor from I is that it's reallybreaking Umm's heart to let go
of this person, the quote other lover, because she's not over
this person emotionally. So like you watch her acting
like Nam Tam like flinches a lotas UMM during this conversation
because I think UMM is actually hurting to do this.
Like it still hurts her even though it's like time and she

(01:06:42):
needs to do it. It's still like it still hurts,
UMM to do this. I mean, it's unmistakable once
you watch it the second time through what the look means.
Because that's, I feel like that's why it's so confusing the
first watch because you're trying to match up what you know
to the expressions and like, yeah, it can be read that way,

(01:07:03):
but there's so much more to it that you are more confused while
it's happening the first time. So good.
And it's also very convenient that UMM keeps saying this
person. And I'm a little curious why she
didn't just outright say her andlike just catch eye off guard

(01:07:24):
because like either way, she'd get to see the reaction.
And like, why did I have to findout that when she saw May for
the first time? I don't think anybody knew what
I's reaction to May was going tobe because like, did I remember
May? I mean, I don't know.

(01:07:44):
I think, umm, I think it broke Umm's heart to do this.
And so like, I think it's one ofthose things where she's like
using as few words as possible and she's like not telling I
anything. She's like, just do this.
This is what I'm asking you to do.
Just do what I don't ask me any questions.
Just go do it. I think it's just hard for her
and also like the drama of it. The drama The drama is Chow

(01:08:04):
actually this. Is Chow?
No, this is Chow. This is Chow.
This. Is all chow?
I mean maybe if she was worried I wouldn't be as welcoming to
it. Like she probably would have had
her walls up more when meeting May.
Maybe maybe. But maybe May caught her so off
guard that she didn't have a chance to catch herself, and

(01:08:25):
instead she caught feelings. So.
I don't know. The whole situation is just.
It is what it is. This was shenanigans from
because like, why? Like I just still, because I
still don't get why you would send somebody to break up with
someone in the hopes they'll gettogether.
That part was wild. That was really what a gamble.

(01:08:50):
Like couldn't you have just set up a date in a third party
location? Be like hey this is my
ex-girlfriend who's actually interested in you.
I think you should talk or you don't.
Even talk about that part, but like.
Just be like, oh this is a person I know.
I think you should just talk andsee where it goes.
Or it could have been so much simpler to be like, I left

(01:09:12):
something at her house, go get it.
It could have been that and the thing didn't need to exist.
And then like she'd meet May andthen there you go.
You guys hit it off or whatever.But also, I don't even think she
told May what was going on either.
No, May. So jumping ahead, she did.
She did tell May she was basically like, I'm gonna I'm

(01:09:34):
letting you go. And like, part of their deal was
like in the hospital later when she's like tells her, Oh, it's
you're in love with my sister, not me.
She's like, but I'm not going tojust hand I over to you.
You have to prove you're worthy of I because that was when May
was like just became blind and then May gets her shit together.
So I, this is Umm's way of saying like, I'm letting you go
and I'm giving you permit, like permit.

(01:09:56):
I'm you're worthy of meeting my sister again.
So that's why when she sends I May knows that, umm, let her go
and like is like, go for it withmy sister.
Now I think you're you're betterlike you're you again.
So yeah, Mae didn't know this. This was, they kind of had
conversations about this, but. This whole situation is just
weird. It is the whole gambit is weird,

(01:10:17):
but anyway, so then I the smartest girl in the class in
Simac, brings up the obvious point, which is like you
literally just got married. Like I was just at your wedding
and haven't ended things with your side piece.
Like I like to go through your whole life, be like Oom's the
smart one and like to be in thissituation with your sister.
You're like what the fuck? What is wrong with you?

(01:10:39):
What the fuck? Like this was so wild for like
the smart character, you know? What a plot.
Yeah. I mean, like, especially asking
on her wedding day. I know, like everything.
Not even this. Maybe the week before.
It would still be terrible. But the why?
Oddly, after the wedding, at thewedding.
Listen, this was wild at the wedding.

(01:11:00):
Like exactly this was wild. Also very convenient that it's
like right before the car accident and I'm like.
Well, I think The thing is like the timing is very much like,
well, we haven't sealed the marriage deal yet with the
because she's like your bedroom ceremony has is almost going to
happen. Not like seals the marriage.
So I guess that's why she's doing it.

(01:11:21):
This is the last possible minute.
I guess UMM could do this and it's like somewhat socially
she's like. I yeah, I could.
I can still be with May till thelast second before my heart has
to fully break. Yeah, I think, I just think it's
hard for her. And that's really what it is
more than any other because thatlike Trump's logic, you know

(01:11:42):
what I mean? But this was wild to watch and
be like, what is happening in this scene because like in this
moment, we are I, who is super confused, understandably.
And so I start aggressively arguing with umm.
And she's like, do you realize what you're like asking me to do
here because this is evil is basically how I see is this.

(01:12:04):
And once she poses that questionto UMM, this line in particular,
do you understand what you're asking me do really, really
hurts because UMM visibly flinches when I ask her this.
Because I understand Emily from her point of view.
She's basically like you're asking me to be the bad guy by
breaking up with your baking your side pieces heart.
Like you're a heartless monster who can't do this yourself.
Like what the fuck? And the irony of this is that

(01:12:27):
UMM understands more than I possibly could about what she's
really asking I to do. Like UMM is asking I to tell Mae
a sent by showing up. I'm letting you go, and here's
the version of me you're actually in love with.
That's what Oom is really askingI to do.
I just has no idea that that's what she's being asked to do.
She just thinks she's being asked to do this evil thing on

(01:12:48):
her sister's behalf. So it's just.
So do we. Yeah, But like, poor.
Again, I have a lot of feelings about poor Oom.
This must really hurt for her todo.
It's the right thing, finally. But like, damn.
Like, poor. My Oom is clearly upset and you
can see it in the scene. And you like it's another reason
why she is upset at I during this wedding.

(01:13:09):
Like I is being so annoyed and annoying to UMM during this
wedding. She really that in Umm's head
she's like this ungrateful bitch.
But I mean, obviously she doesn't know what UMM is giving
up for. Her right?

(01:13:29):
But so then I was like, I was like fuck the shit around.
She starts to walk away and whatultimately convinces I to go
along with the shenanigans is when umm plays the little sister
card and she's like, well, what if I'm not cashing that check
you fucking owe me. And instead I'm asking you to do
this as a smile as a, you know, little sister to big sister.

(01:13:53):
And I pauses when UMM poses thatstatement because, and it's very
telling that I is willing to do anything, even something she
considers quote evil, to help her younger sister.
So it shows that like, I takes family seriously and takes her
duties as big sister incredibly to heart because that is the
thing that convinces her to to do this thing.

(01:14:17):
And she doesn't respond to that.I just walks, walks out and Nam
Tam really takes us on a journeywith the facial expressions of
UMM afterwards, because you could see she is hurting.
But she does pull herself together a little bit and it's
less obvious slightly that she is upset.

(01:14:40):
And it kind of looks like she's convincing herself that she did
the right thing. Like, oh, I can't be upset by
this. This is how it is.
They will be happy. I'll be happy with Paul.
She's still trying to convince herself that this is the life
that she will want. Yeah, well, I mean, also like
it's just when you're not over somebody and then you're like,

(01:15:02):
here you go. Like that hurts like hell.
Like, you know, and you and likeI like when we get into OOM
stories later and she's basically like, I can't control
these feelings. I just have them.
And it's really true. Like when you're going through
something like I was speaking from experience, like you can't
turn it off. It just goes off over time and
it just, it sucks when you're still going through that like
letting go of somebody's stage and like you're not emotionally

(01:15:24):
fully healed from it. Even if you've found somebody
else, like it still can linger. And so like, UMM is very, the
way they wrote UMM is really, really relatable.
And so poor UMM in this scene. I just yeah, justice for UMM.
But anyway. So after ice storms out, Paul
finds UMM in the hallway. Thank God he didn't overhear
whatever the hell this is. Oh my God.
But he can tell something's bothering bothering UMM because

(01:15:46):
to your point, like UMM tries toput herself back together, but
it's clear she's like upset. And it's really evident through
this dialogue that they have here that UMM doesn't share
everything with Paul, but she's trying to get there with him.
And she's like, look, well, I promise I'll tell you everything
you know. But like, when, when were you

(01:16:07):
going actually to tell him? Because later we find out that
the truth about May and UMM comes out because of May
initiated all the stuff with Paul, not because of UMM.
So like, when were you going to tell Paul?
She'll tell him everything when she's forced to.
Or like, I wonder if she just still needed more time to like

(01:16:27):
move on and heal before she could like have the conversation
because she still seems like in her feels at this stage and so
it must be. Well, yeah, she doesn't want to
explain it to him while she's like, upset about doing it.
Like he can see that she's upsetand still in love with her.
Right. Exactly.
So I think there's two. Reasons UMM doesn't do that.
One, it will hurt her, and two, like to be emotional in front of

(01:16:49):
Paul while talking, thinking about this looks bad, right?
Which is what ends up ironicallyhappening because UMM gets
backed into a corner because she's Pluto.
Like she's actually Pluto. She's the real Pluto of this
story. Which means we love you.
I'm just saying. It's so layered, this whole
story, it's so layered. Good.
It's so good. Like for every character there's

(01:17:11):
another layer. There is.
It's not even just the twins just made like, no, then there's
a grandmother liar. And there's so many freaky
layers. So many layers.
It's a freaking croissant. It is.
It's delicious and perfect. Buttery deliciousness.

(01:17:33):
OK, so something that I noticed is with the when she's with Paul
in this hallway, the shot, you get this wide shot of the
hallway and it feels so lonely even though she has Paul hugging
her. And if you notice in there,
there's subtle changes in the lighting as you move closer to

(01:17:58):
the camera and like further awayin the hallway.
So in the middle where Paul and umm are hugging, it's white
light. And as you get further away from
them, it's blue. And it's almost as if Paul
radiates warmth and umm can focus on that instead of what

(01:18:22):
she's giving up. But if she leaves his side, she
will start to remember. And even when she is with him,
she still has that sense of loneliness because it isn't
truly what she wants. So like the blueness that yeah,
it's just the shot is great. Caitlin, your explanation just
made me realize that Paul is OOMS Pluto.

(01:18:48):
Poor Paul, because Paul is. Fully into.
Yeah, he's her Pluto. She's the Galaxy and he's he's
Pluto into her. Oh shit.
Because. Like I mean you look at this
image. Yeah, no, you're right.
It's also. Like more light on his side too.
And it. Is I I have justice.
For Paul too, which is crazy saying.

(01:19:09):
Listen, justice for these characters in the series.
The novel's a mess, but these two in the series are again,
they GMTV these two characters in a way that maybe love them,
and that's why I love GMT. V You're doing great.
You're doing great. We love you.
All right after the wedding, we cut back to I and Meemaw.

(01:19:32):
So I decided at this stage to start nicknaming.
We need OK. There's too many grandmothers
in. There are.
Yeah, in the child plenoid universe specifically because
this grandmother is not in the novels.
GMMTV was like, you know, they always got a body count.
So they're like, we have to takeout some parents and we'll get
got to give you a grandma. So we get this grandma who's not

(01:19:53):
in the novels. And if you've been here for a
while, you know that we like to nickname characters, especially
grandmothers. So we're going to have the grand
man from Gap. We're going to have the, you
know, Little Long's grandmother.Yeah.
Grandma Booa, who's perfect and you know, she's just Grandma
Booa. And then this grandma we're
going to call Mima because she gives me Mima energy.

(01:20:15):
You know, where she would like sit on the front porch and scold
you and stuff and like she just gives me Mima energy.
So we're going to call her Mima going forward.
That's Grandma. OK, Just so wrong.
So. Has nickname.
I have accepted it's Mima. This is Mima.
All right, so I and Mima are waiting in the hospital when the
surgeons emerge from the operating rooms with news of

(01:20:36):
Paul and Umm. So Paul has passed away very
tragically and UMM is alive now.So they she was dead.
They recovered her and she stabilized, but she's
unconscious at this point because Chow loves her
unconscious characters in hospitals.
We shouldn't be shocked by this.All right, so Mima collapses
into I and I in this moment becomes the support system for

(01:20:59):
the whole family. And I feel like I adopt this
role way too easily. I feel like that's second nature
to her to be like I have to be the strong one for my family all
the time. Even though no one gives me
credit for this. She just like, is that person in
the family? But she's she is that person.
But she also wants to be seen byher family.

(01:21:22):
Oh my God. Yeah, A.
Huge thing for her and Meemaw isleaning on her in this moment,
meaning she does see I and values her enough to seek her
out for comfort. That is a big thing and even
though I is hurting it has to feel like slightly warmth that
like oh grandma's hugging me right now.
Like it's so sad that this is what it's taking.

(01:21:44):
I know. But we do we see their
relationship struggle with this.I feel like Mima and I are
really similar and they're because like think about Mima's
situation, like she ended up being the sole caregivers of
these two children, which she didn't ask to be, but like
stepped up and did when GMMTV was like, we're going to kill

(01:22:05):
your parents. Like she became that person.
And then like here's I in the same situation where like Oom's
incapacitated, grandma is just devastated and I steps up to be
the strong one. I feel like they're both the
strong one type people, and so sometimes they butt heads
because of that because they're very similar, which is terrible.

(01:22:25):
Yeah. All right.
So then UMM gets transferred to the ICU when Jan arrives.
So we meet Umm's best friend Jan, and Jan's devastated
because UMM finally found somebody who actually loves her,
which is, as we'll see, was a quest for poor UMM to find
somebody that actually loves herand just her.

(01:22:47):
She finds this person and then loses him on the wedding night.
Like they weren't even married for 24 hours which is insane
before Paul's dead and like Umm's in the ICU.
Like Jan is like nose UMM struggle and it's like poor UMM
like she's so unlucky holy shit.Did they even like fully finish

(01:23:09):
the marriage at that? Point they didn't have the sex I
assume. And apparently that's like a big
thing, so. You got to consummate the
marriage. That's part of the marriage
ceremonies. So is she married?
That is the question is she who's who?

(01:23:30):
It does. We don't know.
Anyway, so side note, Jan I whenI noticed the scene, Jan is
wearing all black in the scene, which is I would assume Jan
would have been at the wedding and then like now suddenly in
all black. So I wonder, did she
intentionally wear morning colors to the hospital because
she knew about Paul? Like did they tell her about

(01:23:50):
Paul or did she like not know and was like, this is bad, let
me change it all black just in case and show up at the
hospital? I don't know.
I was just curious because I waslike, oh, she weren't.
Invited to the. Wedding why would U not invite
her one? I don't know who.
Why does UM do some of the things she does?
Because like, I mean, I, I is nolonger, this was the middle of

(01:24:12):
the night. So like I is like, and grandma
were asleep. So like the wedding was over.
People went home. Maybe she wore All Blacks to the
wedding too, to mourn her UN's relationship with me.
I don't think so, but that's one.
Theory or she just picks her outfits out for the whole week
and it just happened to be all black for after the wedding and

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you know stranger things have happened like eyes twin sister
are asking her to break up with her ex on her wedding.
Day that is weird but like Jan when you get to know Jan, Jan is
like the fortune teller bubbly. She wears colorful clothing so
like this was not her normal wardrobe.
That's what tipped me off that something is weird because Jan
doesn't wear black so. I mean, for her to show up at
the hospital, she probably like,I can't be too colorful.

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Like it's not a happy moment no matter what.
Has happened, right? So that's why she did it.
Anyway, so Jan being here and like saying all this stuff is
significant because Jan does know all the details of what's
going on with UMM, as we'll findout, I and UMM are really not
close. Like you kind of get the glimpse
of it now, but they really don'tknow each other.
So then I Jan's all upset because her friend's in a coma

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or whatever and I, I is like, listen, bitch, tell me about umm
side piece. Like the way she just like cuts
off Jan who's sobbing to ask This was kind of wild, like like
I wasn't being malicious, but the way she's just like aunt,
it's just like Jan, stop crying.Tell me about the side piece.

(01:25:41):
Like I so funny. That's what I'm saying.
I is the best. I is so funny, but it's kind of
understandable that she's kind of like get straight to the
point about this with Jan because this is I's version of
grieving because I think she feels like things are spiraling
out of control in her life and completing this deal for UMM is

(01:26:05):
a way for her to control something.
And she mentions like this is the only way I can like help UMM
at this stage is by like fulfilling her last request
basically and like getting this over with because like it's
weird. And Jan gets all shifty eyed
when I brings up the side piece and is like, yeah, sure, I I'll

(01:26:25):
help you. And Jan like gives I enough
details, I imagine off screen toget I to the side pieces
residence. OK.
But did like, did UMM give her stipulations of like things you
can say or like, I don't know. I don't know that Jan and UMM

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ever had a conversation about this on screen.
I mean about like roping eye into this.
But although like Jan did know that May was in love with I and
not UMM. Like Jan didn't know that part,
but I don't think she knew this deal that UMM struck with May.
No, maybe she was just like, I don't want to be involved this
much. So I'm just this is weird.

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This is all weird. This is weird, right?
I wonder if she's like. Shit room.
Like what the hell? Right so like Jan knows
everything except that part. I would assume that conversation
with UMM and but anyway so like I arrives at the side pieces
house which is a fucking mansionmulti $1,000,000 mansion because
of course UMM only dates people with hell of money.

(01:27:30):
Like she was dating the owner ofan airline and then like who the
fuck is this person? Like poor I like to be insecure
when it compared to your sister and then be like of course
you're dating another wealthiestfuck human being.
So I in this regard fully cosplayed Oom.

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But since they're not children, she can't get away with a
uniform she has to like wear at Oom's clothing.
So she shows up in this like vest, jumpsuit, deely and heels.
And like, while she's dressed like Oom, she does fail pretty
hard at trying to cosplay Oom and clothing that clearly make
her uncomfortable because heels are fucking stupid and I doesn't

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know how to walk in them, which is valid.
I second that heels are stupid. Yeah, for us.
They're stupid, they're dangerous.
I'll just say that. They'd make your foot go in an
unnatural position. Well, OK, so here's a a fun fact
in America, at least once COVID happened and the, you know,

(01:28:33):
everybody's in lockdown, ERS noticed there was a significant
decrease in number of women coming in with like sprained
ankles and shit because of heels.
They are dangerous, not like it's a fact, like they're
dangerous. So anyway, then eventually the
maid comes outside because there's cameras everywhere and

(01:28:53):
the maid's like Oom is here. Why is Oom be weird as fuck?
So the maid comes outside and welcomes I and she's like, hey
Oom, it's been a while, let's gowait in the reading room like we
always do. So we learned in this little
sentence that like Oom has not been by in a hot minute despite
anything. And I face is so fucking funny
in the scene because she looks so nervous and just like shell

(01:29:18):
shocked. Like what is even happening?
Who is my sister? Like this poor girl.
And she's trying her best and she's like, OK, I guess I'll go
with you like always. And I follows the maid into the
house and they kind of like weave through the outside and
like and eventually get to the door and like I just like take
it in the surroundings while trying not to fall over because
of the heels. It's hilarious.

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It's hilarious. Scene, it's so fucking funny,
like good job dad, who probably who's probably an expert of
walking in heels and I was doingthis and this was just so funny.
Like I just keeps falling all over the place.
It's so realistic, like I love it.
It's hilarious, but like eye hasno self-awareness because she's
like obviously has never been here before and the maid has

(01:30:02):
eyeballs and is like, she's being so weird because then they
get into the house and I can take the heels off because no
shoes in the house, which must have been great.
But like the way she creeps around the house, it's clear
she's never been here before. And the maid is just like, it's
that way. Like, I was like, I I know that,
I know that. So eventually I makes it into

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the reading room. And first impression for me when
I was watching this is that thisroom, the way it's decorated
reads like old money, like whoever lives here, it comes
from money. But it's almost like the room is
like cosplaying a certain time period.
Like it looks impersonal. OK.
It looks like somebody was ordered to decorate this room to

(01:30:45):
be like show off wealth. And that was the only
instruction because there's like, items in there that give
off the impression of wealth. Like there's a grand piano,
there's a globe, there's a spiraling staircase, a
phonograph, like things that scream we have money, but
there's no personality in the room.
Like you can't get an impressionof who lives here other than

(01:31:07):
like a wealthy person lives here, if that makes sense.
Yeah, I didn't get that when I first saw it.
But as you say that like I do see that it's just the way it is
decorated. It's not like sparse like the
Affair House. That's like modern.
So that's what I mean by like that's modern wealth.

(01:31:28):
That's that modern minimalist thing.
This is designed like old money where it's like we have these
things that only wealthy people could could have acquired, you
know, whereas the affair house is the modern wealth where it's
like very sterile and just huge and has all the technology in it
like a phonograph. Who the fucks using phonographs?

(01:31:48):
That's ancient. You know what I mean?
Grand piano is also like ancientglobes.
Globes anymore leery because they're they're.
Like very much you like live your know about like history
and. Like if you were to put this in
context of like the United States, if you were to like, I
would expect to see this stuff in a plantation house like now,

(01:32:12):
cuz this is like they, it's generational wealth.
We acquired these items back in the 1800s.
You know what I mean? Like that old money versus like
new money, which is the affair house, which is like a tech bro
that blows up and buys the affair house.
Like that's where that's what I mean by it's different, which is
true because may comes from a generationally wealthy family.

(01:32:32):
So like that makes sense. But like you don't get a sense
of who even lives here. You just like owe somebody with
money. But Despite that, I think like
this is also to say it's like this is the last place on Earth
I would ever want to be. I who like is not a fancy
person, doesn't even like wearing heels, which is like
fancy women. She doesn't want to be here.
This is not where she wants to be.
She's not comfortable in this kind of scenario.

(01:32:53):
But despite this like generic wealthy kind of thing going on
with decorum of the room, there is warmth to the room because
the golden lights and the candles make it feel warm.
It's not personality, but it feels kind of warm.
And I think that kind of draws Iin.
That's also what drove me in this scene.
So I'm like, ow, I kind of feel warm in the scene, like I could

(01:33:13):
be comfortable here. And it maybe it's the the
candles that probably, sorry, May added.
And is the reason why there's somany candles, you know, but also
lesbians and candles and tiger. Lopez Candles.
The Lexa Effect. And it may just because we have
been watching shows with that modern money Decker decor that

(01:33:35):
is colder, but this this seems like you could relax here more
in my mind. Yeah, we'll come to find out if
the candles are scented because it helps May navigate, which is
a part of her kind of dearly. But anyway.
So I is drawn into the room likea moth to a flame basically.
And now that she's here, I is like, what kind of dude is named

(01:33:57):
May? Like what the fuck?
And the fact that she asks this tells me that like, OK, so Jan,
who had a conversation off screen with I giving her
details, conveniently left that part out of this guy.
Like everybody's conveniently leaving I out of the loop like
Jan. Like I would expect Jan to tell
her. She maybe she assumed as soon as
she said May that I would understand because I mean I know

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they have like nicknames over there and I don't know if there
are instances where may could beused for someone who identifies.
As well, why are we why are we got a gender names that should
just be a modern nickname like whatever.
Maybe he'll last, maybe he won't.

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Maybe this says more about I than it does about May the man,
you know? Yeah, it does.
It says a lot that she assumed. Assumed but like also Jan, what
the fuck did Jan even tell I I she's like here's the address I
good luck, I told. Her.
I know that scene. I want to see the conversation
right. I want that conversation.
But anyway, so curious. I gravitates to one of the

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scented candles and this is a scene that's going to parallel
finale because but with May in I's place.
So this was a nice bookend that they put in very subtly.
So I leans in to smell one of the candles and kind of like
Savers this moment. And then May at the same time is
starting to descend down the staircase.
And when she gets close enough on the second landing, I says an

(01:35:32):
I May says OOM. And when I hears this, she, like
her eyes, shoot open, she pivots180°, and then she sees May for
what she thinks is the first time for the first.
Time in forever. Literally.
And it was in this moment that Irealize she done fucked up.

(01:35:54):
Like hugely, because she looks stunned for just a lot of
reasons. Well, that we'll get into.
But for like, who's this dude? And then here's this like
beautiful woman descending the staircase and we as the audience
are kind of like I in the scene where we're seeing me for the
first time and we're like, so why did UMM leave her?

(01:36:17):
Like why did UMM leave her? I don't get it.
Seriously, what the hell thinking?
What the? Hell.
Were you married off? Like what is happening?
Seriously, what is happening? So Mae slowly makes her way down
the staircase and she's like staring towards I like the
entire time. And I for the entirety of the

(01:36:38):
scene does not take her eyes offof Mae.
Like particularly her face, but like she does not take her eyes
off of me the whole fucking timebecause her jaw's on the floor.
She's like what the fuck? Not only is this weird that I'm
here to break up with my 2 timing sisters, whatever side
piece, because we just got married, She's this beautiful
woman that nobody UMM or Jan told me like nobody warned her.

(01:37:01):
So she just like steps into thisscenario and it's like what the
fuck? And then also to couple that in
the novel, Charl makes a big point to be like, I was the more
considered, the more beautiful of the two sisters and I I don't
know that physically that that'ssuper true as you kind of saw
when they were kids. Like I is charming and attracts

(01:37:23):
people versus, UMM, is more likecold preserved kind of thing.
So I had a ton of boyfriends. Like she was just breaking
hearts left and right in the book and was basically like
she's like, I never got further than like kissing them And then
I'd be like, this is over because I feel nothing for you
basically. So she's never really had
romantic feelings in a big way towards people.
It was like attraction and then was like, yeah, I feel that's a

(01:37:43):
good. Point because that is like
attractiveness to like your personality.
Yeah. Oh, totally.
Yeah, she's charming for sure. And like compared to UMM, who's
more quiet, but when she meets May, she has feelings for the
like, romantic feelings. So like, that is what's the
other thing that's like causing I to like not freeze because

(01:38:05):
she's having feelings. She doesn't know what to do with
them because she's never had them before.
This is a big young situation where you're like, this
character is having feelings they've never had and they're 30
and they don't know what to do with the feelings.
But instead of being a child about it, I just freezes and
then, OK, so then May keeps making her way down the
staircase. And like again, shout out to the
cinematography because one of myfavorite shots in the whole show

(01:38:25):
is when May makes it to like almost that final flight down
the stairs. And the way they have them
framed is such a beautiful use of the rule of thirds because
you have I on the right hand side, on the like.
That's the third on the right hand side.
OK. And then you have may and the
third on the left hand side. And you have like the distance

(01:38:47):
between them in the composition is connected by the staircase,
like connecting them. So your eye will kind of like
connect them naturally by the way the staircase is pointed.
And with the depth of field it gives you like eye in the
foreground may in the like. Back.
Background. Thank you.
I was like, what's the? Background, but the background's
in the focus, yeah. Exactly.

(01:39:08):
And May is what's in focus and like, hang this picture in the
Louvre because it's just so beautiful and the way it's lit
and there's a fucking window there and they still go the
lighting down. Like great job guys.
Lighting's genius with you. So good.
Everything about this this sceneis beautiful and other thing I
love is just again, what the composition, the way the

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staircase is kind of framing everything.
It makes it look like the staircase is leading May
directly to I by the way they position them.
And like metaphorically, this islike the last steps for May on
the path to I, which if you've seen it, you know she's been on

(01:39:50):
for literal years and like here it is.
It's like that last few steps before she get the gets the
thing she wants and it's like and things are lining up right,
the orbits lining up or whatever.
Like it's just, it's such a goodshot and very like, metaphorical
and I love it. Also, as we see Mae walking down
the stairs, it's a static shot. But when we go back to I, I

(01:40:13):
almost said umm, this is not ummCaitlin.
Apparently I was fooled enough. When we get back to I, they're
the shots are pushing in on her and closing, getting closer onto
her face. Which one?
It's like kind of May's point ofview because she's getting

(01:40:33):
closer to I, but also it's the way that they're having the
audience get connected closer toI as well because we're seeing
her emotions more. It's it's more intimate with
that character. So we see how much this is
impacting her by us getting closer to her as well.
Yeah, the way the scene was shotwas and choreographed was so

(01:40:56):
good because it's it's a big moment.
So like they did a good job withall the way they shot all of
these parts. But back to I being hilarious.
So poor Mae is to set. Keeps calling out Boom and I,
who's gay, panicking so badly she can't speak, does not
respond to this woman we find out is blind.
So like Eye. Eye's a mess in the scene.

(01:41:20):
She's such a mess. And after she first asked umm,
is that you, we cut to a side profile of UMM.
So we aren't getting the full image of I just like May isn't
seeing. I mean, she can't see, but she's
not seeing all of I because she thinks it's May or, you know, at

(01:41:43):
least that's what I thinks and we think at that moment.
And you know, but side profile wise it's easier to mistake I
for whom? It's also easier to mistake Eye
for umm if Eye's not speaking, because she's just that too, but
May can't see. So anyway, then we get this
other moment that I love, where May makes it down the stairs and

(01:42:05):
approaches Eye. And May, who cannot see, is just
following the path of the staircase, like directly to its
end point. But I, instead of meeting her
there, starts circling around May.
And they love this choreography because think about their paths
to each other that that orbit thing that child likes to talk

(01:42:26):
about. So like for May, it's a direct
path just to get the eye becauseshe knows what she wants and
like, here it is. She's going to go get it.
So she's directly going towards I in a straight line versus I
who's like circling around May because like that's been her
orbit back to May Basically theymet when they were younger and
then I kind of like fucked off and like has been orbiting May

(01:42:48):
without realizing it. And like is on a more of a
circular path to get to May, which is May has been like
directly trying to get I now that she knows who I is.
So like, I love the way they kind of show them do that and
it's choreographed like a dance,which I love the way they like
approach each other. Going back to the orbits, I just
something else that I rememberedabout my Pluto.

(01:43:08):
Research. Is that Pluto's orbit is
different than all the other planets too, because it's goes
out more and comes around. So I think that's also playing
on the fact that her sister was orbiting closer to May, but her
she was getting further out because she's also not close

(01:43:30):
with her sister, which is creating even more of a
distance. So she was all the way out there
waiting 248 years to come back around.
It's it's so layered, the more you think about it.
Yeah, so it's incredible. I was like.
This is definitely useful if I look more into Pluto.
There's so much to learn about Pluto cause Pluto has a history,

(01:43:53):
a story, and is still going in all of our hearts.
I mean it. Exists so and Pluto is still
going in this series. So A and I and May finally
approach each other and then it takes I I has to do her little
circular thing and then she's finally says May's name out

(01:44:14):
loud. So then May redirects towards
the voice and it's like, OK, there you are.
And approaches I for the first time.
And May, who isn't looking directly at I because she can't
see, gets into I's personal space and starts like touching
her like it starts with her hands up her arms, that kind of
thing. And I, who has been staring at
May's face the whole time, doesn't react in a way that

(01:44:37):
conveys she finds anything off initially.
Like in her brain I imagine it'sjust gay thoughts where she's
like maybe oom's into this. Also like how is my sister
dating a woman like a really hotrich woman?
Like what the fuck? Like she's just too many gay
thoughts and then it doesn't. This is a lot to throw at her
all at once because not even it's not just her feelings and

(01:45:00):
what's going on. It's like it's ooms like what's
going on? Like my sister had a double
life. What is my my sister's queer
what I am, What am I? What the hell is?
Happening. There's so much happening in
AI's brain. And then there's another person
coming towards me. Then as may start feeling her up

(01:45:20):
a little bit more, I starts being like, wait, what is
happening? And she starts putting things
more together. And if you watch AI's face
really closely, but her face conveys more confusion and
curiosity than anything else. So I personally didn't get any
pity from I in the scene, which is important later, at least

(01:45:42):
from my read. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's.
Interesting because like I thinkshe's putting together this
woman can't see and I just don'tsee any pity on her face.
She's just. Completely.
She hasn't, she hasn't been ableto process it yet either.
But there is. Yeah, yeah.

(01:46:02):
But that's important because of the insecurity May has and like,
I don't get that from I at all, really ever.
All right, so now the rest of the scene.
So I'm going to continue readingthe rest of this scene from eyes
point of view because later on in another episode, we'll get
Maze. So just for here I'm going to do
the eyes point of view as like May is like feeling her up and

(01:46:24):
shit. So I at this point feels guilty
as fuck that she's cosplaying UMM because May seems genuinely
excited that UMM is back and with her because it's been a
while. Here's UMM and May is just like
lighting up like a star in the sky, and I already felt awful at
the thought of breaking somebody's heart for her sister.

(01:46:46):
But now, after meeting this angelic human being, I think I
feel even more guilty than she did before about what she's here
to actually do with this stupid mission her sister sent her on.
I wonder if that's why they had them separated beforehand too,
because it's not as weird that May is.
Really excited to see UMM. It's weird no matter what, but

(01:47:12):
yeah, it does. It does.
Getting freedoms to it. You're right.
You're not wrong. You're not wrong, all right, So
as eyes like feeling guilty as fuck and May starts tracing her
face now and she's like, oh, it's really you.
It's your face, it's your eyes, it's your lips.
And I starts gay panicking the closer May gets to her lips.

(01:47:32):
And then I love May's power movebecause for May it's been 84
years. So she's like touches eyes, lips
and then touches her fingers that just like starts kissing
eye without eye consent. Really.
She just like touches her lips and then like touches her own
lips and then smiles because it's been 84 years and Mae's
like yay. But I was just like, what are

(01:47:53):
these feelings I'm having? What is happening?
But if you like, if you really just like, stare at, you know,
Nam Tam's lips. In the scene as Mae touches
eyes, lips, there is a slight, slight twitch to her lips that
is almost as if she's smiling aswell.
Like, oh, OK. I like this.

(01:48:15):
Yeah. But it's it's gone really fast.
Like as fast as it. Can it's like the electroshock
of like her heart skipped a beator something She's like what is
this? Cuz it eyes never felt this
before. And so eyes feeling so many
things in the scene that she's just never felt before and is
just like like confused, trying to fight them and then
eventually just like, fuck, it is basically the the scene.

(01:48:35):
If you had to summarize it, We're not going to summarize it.
We're going to keep going. All right.
So I'm pretty sure, like I said,eyes having all these new
feelings that are really big in this moment and she has no idea
what to do with any of this. So that's partially why she's
very frozen and just kind of like, let's May do whatever.
So May does whatever. And then May's like, OK, cool.
This is the preamble to what I'mabout to do.
By touching your face and your lips.

(01:48:56):
So May grabs eye by the neck andthen does the forehead touch?
Because are they queer women if they don't touch foreheads?
No, no, they always have to do that first.
Thing you have to do, You have to tell someone you're into.
Them as a woman to another womanas a woman.
Yes. In a television show, you have
to do that, OK. And then I this, this point, her

(01:49:21):
brain starts running with this moment and just waxes poetic
about this moment. And on the 1st watch, 'cause
she's like, then she pulled me in and our foreheads touched and
it's like this magical moment. The way I is recounting this.
And on the 1st watch, I thought this was just like I's in her
monologue in this moment and that I turns into a poet when

(01:49:42):
she's with me, when she's gay, panicking more specifically,
which it might be true, honestly, but I think the voice
over again is a continuation of what GMMTV established in the
beginning, which is this is I's journal entry of this moment
with Mei and how she remembers it.
So to your point, it's very dreamy the way she remembers it
and wrote it down in her journal.

(01:50:04):
But it is super vivid because this was a big moment for I,
right? And basically if you summarize
it, she remembers it at this really perfect moment where like
2 became one basically is how she remembers that.
The peak day. Panic though, however, occurs
when May kisses her. And basically I opens her eyes
and I came to lesbian Jesus moment.

(01:50:25):
And that's when the feelings really escalate.
And it does take her a few heartbeats of May, just like
kissing eye for I to eventually,like, just give in to the
feelings and just start kissing Mae back.
And the way she describes the kiss in the journal entry is
really interesting. Like, obviously she's like, wow,
Mae's really into this kiss and like, was exploring me

(01:50:46):
everywhere and this kind of stuff.
But then she also notes that Maewas kissing her quote as if she
was afraid we might break. So I think it's interesting that
initially here I even senses Mae's.
Like she senses the love behind the kiss, which is intentional
on Mae's part, but also she senses the fear that May has of
losing quote, umm, in this moment.

(01:51:08):
Because May is actually feeling all of those things.
And it's really interesting thatI picks that up immediately.
Like she's really in tune with what May is feeling and
conveying, which I thought was really interesting.
It definitely, and it makes it adeeper connection between the
two of them because this person's instantly understanding

(01:51:30):
her, which it means they're connected in so many ways and
like they're made for each other.
Cuz that's hard to do like figure out how someone else is
feeling right away when you're first meeting them.
Yeah, yeah, It was really interesting.
I picked up a lot in just their first meeting.
Air quotes all right, so I givesinto the feel the big feelings

(01:51:53):
that she's having and makes out with May enthusiastically until
her brain reboots and is like, isn't this your sister's
girlfriend you're making out with right now?
And then I was like, oh God, shegot weird.
So then she physically pushes May away OK, to stop the the
kiss that's happening. And this little simple move that
she does foreshadows their entire relationship, which is

(01:52:14):
that deception and Oom create a gap between them.
There's the gap, Chow got your gap and I will give up what she
wants, which was to kiss May that moment for her sister Om.
So we get more establishment of them and I as a character and

(01:52:35):
poor May, who's been waiting eight or four years because I is
a little dejected that I didn't want to kiss her.
Or did she because she asked. She's like, oh, man, you don't
want to make out with me anymore.
And I was like, no, I did. And then I was like, Mae was
like, so you did. And then I was like, well, yeah,
wait, no, wait. Yes.

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And just the way she goes through that thought process, it
was a remarkable by the end where she like is truthful.
And she's like, no, I did. And she looks surprised at
herself. Like I was like, wow, no, I did
want to kiss you. That's, that's weird.
That's weird. Gay panic.
But it's also interesting that that one moment with May made

(01:53:17):
her lose her focus of she's supposed to be umm in this
minute moment. Yeah, I know this is one of the
very first instances of eye breaking character as UMM to
just act on what I want, but it was the thought of UMM that made
her stop what I want to like go back to UMM.
And then very desperately in thescene, she's like we got to

(01:53:40):
she's like I got to get back to the mission, back to the
mission. She's like, we got to talk about
you May I'm here to talk about you.
Let's go do that. Let's talk, Talk, Just talk.
Talk, talk, talk, talk. Oh my gosh.
I just have to say, Speaking of talking, and we're we're going
to end this episode with Part 1.We sure are.

(01:54:01):
So I will leave you all with this.
If they would have just talked right now about literally
everything, they both know this show wouldn't exist.
Will there still be like some other stuff going?
But yeah, I'm glad because this this show is great.
This show is so good and I can'twait to get more into it of

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we're still so surface level right now.
We've so many layers to get. Through.
It's so many layers. And we're going to be crying.
So much crying. I'll cry.
Let's be real, I will probably cry at some point.
Yes, Caitlin will cry. Just be ready for that.
I don't know when though. I don't know if you thought
this, but we did. We're ending an episode here.

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Any Taylor Swift songs for Part 1?
I have one but it's for Part 2 more than Part 1.
I don't think I have any. I will do some homework for the
rest of the episode because I was not prepared for Taylor
Swift for the first time. Damn it, Caitlyn.

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So Andre get. The comments.
Pooja, we need you all right. Will give.
Us like a whole list. Yes, Pooja will give us a whole
list. We are confident of that anyway,
so. I do have word though to give.
Them I have a Taylor Swift song for the entire series.
Never mind. And if you go over to our
YouTube, you'll find the edit wethrew together.

(01:55:30):
Wait, Fiora and. Me.
Not just hold on, All right, youknow what, I'm going to
introduce this because. It's so good I I have.
A whole thing to say. All right, so Fiora made an edit
for Pluto to Taylor Swift's songSay Don't Go.
Kind of love that song, yes. So I just want to make sure the

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title and I just want to give Fiora recognition for this
because I taught Fiora how to edit.
She does two years ago right now.
And very basic like I taught. Her how to cut, how to delete
and this and she took this and she ran with it.

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Not only has she got the like technical capabilities of
editing down, the storytelling of this edit is impeccable.
She cuts it with the beat. She uses B roll on top of the
words. She has a natural ability to

(01:56:33):
edit and a little me is jealous because like damn girl, she's
good at everything. That's not true.
First of all, she's amazing at this podcast and analyzing this
shit. She teaches me every something
every day and I hope you appreciate this as much as I do.
But if you just love the show, go check out that video because

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Theora did put a lot of work into it and it is it is great.
Anything else you want to say about?
That it basically recaps the entire series.
And I did try to mimic what theydid in the show, which like it
does switch point of views, likewith the way I edited it, like
it goes from like May to I to May to umm.

(01:57:18):
And so like I did try to intentionally like give point of
view throughout, like the the whole thing because it's just so
good. And like that's one of my
favorite Taylor Swift songs ever.
So I think it was a vault song, so it wasn't on like the
original album. And I really love it, I think
for speak now. I thought it was 1989. 1989

(01:57:38):
sorry, I get. Those two I get no it just it
just it sounds like 19. 89 You're right, 1980. 9. 1989 and
basically it's like the crux of the song is essentially like
like Taylor Swift is singing andbasically is in love with this
person and is like if you told me not to go I would never leave
you kind of thing. But you are denying me that

(01:58:02):
essentially. And so it's very much like May
and May and item later. It's just like it really gets up
to like, oh shit where she's like you made me want you.
And then like like it really like turns into umm story
because I have a lot of feelingsabout UMM.
Anyway, go check that out. Yeah, you can tell I'll like it.
I love that song and I was dyingto make some kind of edit.

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Anyway, the edit also really reminds you of the fact that Nam
Tam is brilliant at crying. Oh my God, she's tears
streaming. She's literally soaked with her
tears. That's insane.
Oh my God, no. The one scene, I can't wait till
we get towards the end where shewas like at the end where they

(01:58:45):
should have leave May and the way she was silent crying in the
room. Oh my God, that broke my heart.
The way she like did that scene.It was just like full on.
It was amazing. Waterfall of tears.
It was crazy in film, dude, can I can I can I under score film?
Yeah, film did. Amazing as well.

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Yeah, that must have been reallya hard day for her filming or
days, I don't know how many daysit was like filming for her
because like, damn her, her breakdown scene was very
powerful. Anyway, so as you can imagine,
there's a lot to say about the show.
It's only been two hours. We just did Part 1, so we're
gonna be here a while. So we'll be back to finish out
the rest of Episode 1 and until let us know you thought in the

(01:59:31):
comments. What?
Yes, but especially for comments.
Sorry, I do have something that I'm kind of excited about.
So what is it? If you made it this far in this
episode, we want to know. Here's a word that we want you
to use either in a comment on the YouTube version or you can
comment on. Spotify as well I believe.
Yes you can. Yes, or even in a review for the

(01:59:55):
podcast, wherever you can leave a review, you can send those on
social media to anywhere, anywhere.
You can just use this word without looking up the spelling.
That's usually how it goes to, but they're this what you should
be able. You can probably figure this one
out. All right, so today's secret
word is Plutoed. And this is a real.

(02:00:16):
This is a real word. Oh, this is.
A real word. I've been plutoed by GMMTV.
This is American Dialect Society's Word of the Year in
2006, the year that Pluto was taken away.
It's. Fuckers.
Designation and the word plutoedmeans to demote or devalue
someone or something. So Pluto was no.

(02:00:41):
I think this was good though because it's Pluto.
Like yeah, they devalued and demoted it.
For no reason. So now it is living on like the
legacy is here it is this is itslegacy is to be like reminding
of people to take they don't take what you have for granted.

(02:01:03):
And I think it is a beautiful story in general because Pluto,
while it has a terrible fate, ithas taught everybody something.
It is now everyone knows about Pluto again.
That's what the excerpt in the book was saying too.
Yeah. That's true.
It's kind of it's a bittersweet,beautiful thing.
Yeah, well said Caitlin. We love you Pluto.

(02:01:25):
We are a team Pluto forever so. If you can't tell.
If you can't tell, you can have your own opinions about that.
We just will think you're wrong.But anyway, so that's our
opinion. All right, so that's been Pluto
Part 1. Hope you got Plutoed in a good
way by listening to this. We'll be back next time to
conclude out the rest of episode1 and continue on this journey.

(02:01:47):
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And get it up all over the place.
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