Ep:161 Southern Bigfoot Spider Crawler

My guest shares a terrifying encounter with a spider-crawling bigfoot that still haunts him, and how a dogman sighting during a hunting trip led him to the world of sasquatch.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And standing on the on the top of that dirt bank.
It just looked like the outline of a person. We
looked away for like literally like a split second, and
it was gone. We look away, we look back and
it's gone. That got my interest. I'm like, how where
the heck did it go? Well, as I'm walking towards
where we'd seen that outline and I'm scanning the grass,

(00:21):
all of a sudden, like literally probably five feet in
front of me to my right front was the same
freaking shape. But now it's on all well not even
all fours. It's doing the spider crawl. Is spider crawling
belly on the ground with its head kind of tilted
up as if it was looking at me, And that
freaked me the f out. I'm not gonna lie. I

(00:43):
locked up for a split second. I turned, I turned
around and bolted.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and I'm
going to welcome Mike to the show. Mike has been
talking to me off and on over the years about Bigfoot,
some of his experiences, and we've tried to get him
on for a while now, and finally the stars have
aligned and he's able to get on here Mike, Welcome
to Bigfoot Crossroads. Man, thanks for joining me, Thanks for

(01:41):
having me man. Yeah, absolutely, so let's just kick it
off by starting at the beginning. How did you get
involved with Bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Twenty thirteen. I was out hunting, specifically coyote hunting, and
we were in a calling set had a coyote pack
sound off mixed into the background of the coyotes was
a best way I can describe it as an audible

(02:11):
anomaly that was just off from the rest of the
kyas we just knew. Me and the guy I was
hunt with at the time both kind of looked at
each other like what, you know, what was that? And
we both it's not that we ignored it, but we

(02:31):
kind of kept moved on for that. But something, whatever
that was, came into our calling set and we both
were able to put eyes on it. And I know
this is a sasquatch show, but that wasn't a sasquatch
what came in, But whatever came in led me down
the path of becoming interested in cryptids since that day,

(02:56):
I mean that literally, that event literally changed me from
a complete one percent skeptic and non believer, had no
interest in sasquatch too, becoming pretty hardcore into field investigations
and now one hundred percent open minded and believe one
hundred percent that Bigfoot and other cryptos exists.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
So how long ago was that?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
That was twenty thirteen in.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Indiana, Northern Indiana or southern uh be.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
East central Indiana, e Central, Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I've got some friends in Indiana. Lots of strange stuff
happened in Indiana. Yeah, a lot of dog man stuff. Now,
is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
You witnessed, Yeah, that was a dog man that came Well,
I didn't know at the time that's what we were
looking at, but further academic and field research led me
the conclusion that what we had put our eyes on,
well put thermal on, was a dog.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Man, if you don't mind, kind of walked me through
the whole event as it happened, and like you know,
the thoughts that went through your head whenever you saw
this thing.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, I mean the initial audible anomaly call in the background,
mixing them with the coyotes really caught our attention, and
then about it was about ten minutes ten minutes later.
The best way to describe it as a large heat
source appeared on the edge of a cornfield, just on

(04:29):
the other side of a tree line, which I don't
know how familiar are with Indiana, but Indiana, Illinois, Iowa,
they have a lot of tree rows on the edge
of agricultural fields that haven't been there's not as many anymore,
but a lot of tree rows on the edge of

(04:51):
agricultural fields. And it was just on the other side
of that tree row when we spotted it. It was
just it was just too large to a coyoake's too
large to be honestly, to be a wolf. They came
through that tree line and just stopped on the other
side of it. We didn't know we were looking at. Truthfully,

(05:15):
it was just really it was just anomalist that's the
best way to describe it. Was going through our heads
was like, what the heck are we looking at? At
that point, I was both me and the other gentlemen
that were there both worked in public safety. We just
worked in different sides of the of the field. Basically,

(05:38):
he asked me what it was. I asked him what
it was. We had no idea what we were looking at.
We were, you know, whispering to each other like that's
too big to be a kyo. That's too big to
be a wolf. It's it's shoulder heights. It's too big
to be a wolf. That's not a dog. And if
it's a dog, it's the biggest dog we've ever seen.
It was on all four US quadruped. It didn't stand up,

(06:00):
but it came to the edge of that tree line.
I don't know if it winded us. I don't know
what happened. It did a standard behavior that we're used
to happening with kyotes. Honestly, it just locked up. It
made a sense that we were there on the other
side of the field, that it was being watched the wind.

(06:20):
I don't think it winted us because the way our
calling set up was set up that the wind wasn't
going in that direction. But something stopped it. It locked
up on the edge of that field. It sent to
the air a couple of times. It didn't look directly
at us, but it scanned our area that we were in,
and it turned around and went back the way it came. Well,

(06:42):
once it went back the way it came, me and
my buddy were out of there. It freaked us out.
We didn't know what it was. We didn't know what
we had seen, and then later on as I got
deeper into the field, because it just it sent off
a lot of questions for me.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
It also I did another thing where it made me
start questioning a ton of incidents that I had ignored
throughout the years of growing up and before that hunting. Well,
maybe I had had other encounters and didn't know it,
and i'd heard them before and didn't know it. I'd

(07:22):
ignored it. Right, That encounter just set me off down
the path of just doing a lot of field work.
And the other guy, he hasn't really wanted anything to
do with it since then. We both at that point
it's kind of a taboo subject. It's not as much
of a taboo subject now, but in our job field

(07:44):
it wasn't exactly something he talked about openly, more so
on his side of the field than mine. So he
hasn't really wanted anything to do with it. It's still
kind of it was still kind of taboo, and I
kept it really quiet. That's one of the reasons I
think I've told you a second stayed out of the
public limelight, haven't talked to the that many people outside

(08:07):
of the community didn't have any social media channels for myself,
just was poking around wanting to get answers for myself,
but didn't really want that many people to know that
I was interested on the subject. I got out of
that job field, moved into a different job field, and
since then I've become way more open about the subject matter.

(08:30):
But anyways, yeah, he doesn't really want anything to do
with it since then, and I've been all over it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
So this audio anomaly that you heard mixed in with
the coyotes, was it similar to a coyote vocalization? Was
it a howl? What kind of sound?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It was a how in the back of the coyotes talent?
But the how is just way just the best way
I can describe it is just much deeper which I've heard.
I've heard those calls since then. The best way to
describe it is a wolf on steroids mixed in with coyotes.
Crowds just can't get that deep. They can't get that loud. Honestly,

(09:11):
wolves can't get that loud. I have questions about dog Man,
but Sasquatch can do a really good job at mimic
game calls dog Man House and a lot of their
calls are pretty distinct when you hear them.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, I've heard other researchers talk about that. You know,
I haven't talked to a lot of dog man researchers
because there's just not that many of them honestly compared
to bigfoot researchers. But the ones that I've talked to,
I'll talk about how distinct the dog man calls are
whenever you hear them compared to other things, even though

(09:49):
it's still like a canine type call. How big was
this thing? Would you guess?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
At the shoulders? Based on what we looked at it
was like over five foot at the shoulder, so I
want to guess standing up was probably over seven at least.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean, that's huge for a canine on all fours.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I know, That's what I'm saying, and to completely throw
us off as big, wide body, tall shoulder, but it
kind of looked like a wolf on quadruped because it
has the slope. I don't know how many gray wolves
or timber wolves you've been around, but they have They

(10:34):
have a slope from their ford shoulder to their rear,
more distinct than a coyote, and it has it had
that distinct slope to it, but its just its ford
shoulder was it was very tall on all fours and
broad because what threw us off? That's why we're looking

(10:56):
at it doing the scope and we're like, that thing
is just it's just not right.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Other than the size, did it kind of look like
a wolf in shape, like the ear shape and the
head shape and everything.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, So later on in years, I would now that
I've been around the field a lot longer, I would
describe it as I know different researchers have different terms,
but like an alpha for a timberwolf type dog man,
tall ears, wolfhead or wolf shaped head because we're looking

(11:27):
at the two thermal but a wolf shape head, wooll
style body, long tail, bushy, pushy for wolf on steroids
is the best way I can describe their call and
the way they look.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah. So after this incident, like what did you do
from there? Like how long was it before you started
doing your field work?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I started doing a lot more academic stuff for like
the first year or so after that, just a when
I mean academic, I mean I just turned towards any
book I could get my hands on, looking at YouTube videos.
Just for the first year, I didn't do as much
field work because I didn't know where to start with it.

(12:11):
I listened to a lot of stuff on YouTube, a
lot of podcasts. After about a year of doing that,
it slowly progressed to me being more willing to go
into the field. But I didn't really dive head first
into the field until I relocated from Indiana to the

(12:35):
Coast Gulf Coast in twenty fifteen. I did poke around
in southern Indiana in twenty fourteen in the field, but
it wasn't like I have since the twenty fifteen onwards.
I've become less and less cautious over time, but I
don't know how to describe it. I was really cautious
for the first couple of years.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, I was gonna ask are you just going at
it by yourself or are you with a g or anything.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
My approach is I like to go light, and I
like to go with no more than one or two people.
I feel comfortable as long as I have a partner,
much more comfortable than I do when I'm solo. Solo,
I tend to operate more in daylight hours. If I'm
by myself at nighttime, I really prefer to have one

(13:22):
other person It took me till twenty fifteen, moving to
the Gulf Coast that I finally got to me a
guy I probably can't use his name. I haven't talked
to him about it.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, that's fine, he's.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Based in Florida. I also, around that same time, I
got access to the old PFRO website database. I was
using that to start doing Field's research down there, using
the witness reports. So then there's follow ups, and then

(14:02):
based on the follow up, I decided whether or not
I was worth poking around in that area.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
So you mentioned about how after the fact, you've kind
of gone back and relooked at some things that you've
experienced before in your past that may or may not
have been something. What kind of things did you experience.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
As I've been doing Bigfoot research. One of the it's
changed my entire world out log, for one, but it's
also changed how I interact with my own natural instincts.
I feel like I was only using half or less
of my instincts in the woods up until that incident.

(14:41):
I mean, I'd be in the woods, but I wasn't
truly paying attention to my surroundings. I wasn't truly stopping
and listening to all the sounds and truly analyzing everything
I was hearing and seeing, and I wasn't listening to
my gut instincts. You know. As a kid, I'd run

(15:03):
around my family. We had family landover in Illinois, and
there is just times that I'd be in the woods
and I'd feel like guys being watched. But I didn't
really put two and two together. You know. There's I
remember a few times I ran out of the woods

(15:23):
freaked out because I swore I was being watched, but
I didn't know what it was at that point. At
that point, I would I thought there might have been
another person back there. I didn't really put two and
two together. I just something freaked me out and I
ran out of the woods. Yeah, well, looking back on it,
looking back on it, and I've gone back to those
woods since and poked around. They've got cryptids in that

(15:44):
in those woods, So it wouldn't be surprised that I'd
been around cryptis even then and didn't know it.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think that's the situation with a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
You hear a lot of older hunters and just people
and general talking about like, well, if these things are
out there, you know, I've never seen them. I've never
been around them. I think people are around them more
than they realize, but they just assume that it's like
something normal that they've heard of before, like a deer
or something.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I absolutely think that. When I hear guys say, well,
I've been in these woods forever and I've never seen
or heard anything, my first thought is, well, maybe you
actually have and you just don't realize you have, and
your societal programming has got you so convinced that they

(16:35):
don't exist that your thought process is to automatically dismiss
it and try to come up with another answer for it, right,
and or and or Some individuals that I've dealt with,
they actively want them not to exist in their mind,

(16:58):
so they actively are trying to come up with other
reasons for what they heard or what they saw.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, the idea that there's monsters living in the woods
is a scary thing for a lot of people, and
it's just easier to say that they don't exist and
there's no way that they're out there and go on
believing that.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. I completely understand why myself, I struggled with it.
I still struggle with it. Honestly, knowing that they exist
is really messed up my enjoyment of the woods at times.
But on the same hand, as I've progressed as an

(17:39):
investigator and become more comfortable with my instincts and become
more comfortable being around them, I've become more comfortable in
the woods knowing that they're there, that they could be there. Well,
I treat them more along the lines of how I
would treat any other potential predator. You know, I go
in the woods down south around hog and they didn't

(18:02):
originally chase me out of the woods. I went down
and you know, around mountain lions out west, and that
didn't originally chase me out of the woods.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So I just try to treat them like another predator.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
If if I'm in the woods and my gut instinct,
if the hair on the back of my neck is
standing up and my gout instinct is telling me I
need to leave, I need to leave. If the birds
are chirping and I don't sense anything around, then there's
no reason to leave.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
So what's some of the things that you've ran across
in your investigations.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
The biggest thing that for me, I did not pay
attention to the teachings that we had been handed down
from from the indigenous native population. I didn't pay attention
to that those teachings until until I got older, which
now my entire view on the world has changed. And heck,
I don't even like killing a spider if I don't

(18:59):
have to because of how I view how all energy
is connected and life is connected, et cetera. You know,
in the field discoveries, I originally didn't pay an attention to,
you know, structures before. Now I pay significant amount of
attention to structures and have been looking into how indigenous

(19:23):
tribes used to use various type of markers and communication
in the woods through marketing posts and communication common areas
on the trail, and what different types of structures would mean,
which I think sasquatch does that also, which I know

(19:46):
that opens up a whole other can of worms. But
that's one thing I've spent a lot of time in
the wood studying, because as I've gotten the end of
this field, as I got more into it, I like
to try to figure out there like their trackway, like
a clans trackway, like there, well, he is there a

(20:09):
clan in the area, b if there is what are
their trackways through the area, How are they traveling through
the area, like, what their general territory is, how big
or small it is. Are there other cryptis in the area?
I mean as far as incidents in the woods, one
of them stands out. As I was on the Gulf Coast,

(20:32):
I was with true gentlemen. We were in an area
that I'd met this guy through the BFRO actually, and
he had put in a witness report while I'd gotten
to meet him. We actually became friends pretty quick. We
went back to that original area, just me and him
to look around. We agreed to go back there at

(20:55):
a later date. We went back there. We were walking
down the road. We had parked our cars at a
crossroads and we were walking down the road and we
had turned around and we were coming back towards our vehicle.
So in that area you've got got a rock dirt road.

(21:17):
And then I don't know how much familiar are with
the Deep South, but there's basically just grass and shrubs
for I don't know, ten fifteen feet between the roadway
and the planet pines right and on the edge of
the planet pines, I don't know why, but there was
a bank that had been built up and standing on

(21:39):
the on the top of that dirt bank a shadow.
That's what it looked like. It just looked like the
outline of a person. And then it actually made me
do a double tick because I glanced past it and
my eyes caught it, but I didn't recognize what I
was looking at initially, and then I went right back
to it, like what the heck is that? And I
was staring straight at it, and I asked why. People

(22:01):
I was with you see this, and they're like, yeah,
what you know that? What the heck is that? I
was like, what in the heck? I don't remember the
exact sequence of how it how it happened, but we
looked away for like literally like a split second, and

(22:21):
where the outline had been standing between trees, it was gone.
We look away, we look back, and it's gone. We
had been slowly backing off from that area as we
as we had been staring at it, and as we
looked away for that brief second and looked back, it disappeared.

(22:43):
That got my interest. I'm like, how where the heck
did it go? So I started walking back towards the
edge of the road, closer to where that outline had been.
And I turned on a flashlight, and I was looking
at the edge of the tree line, but I was

(23:04):
also looking in the grass between the edge of the
road and the tree line. Well, as I'm walking towards
where we'd seen that outline, and I'm scanning the grass,
all of a sudden, like literally probably five feet in
front of me to my right right front was the

(23:27):
same freaking shape. But now it's on all well not
even all fours. It's doing the spider crawl. That's what
it's doing. Is the spider crawling belly belly on the
ground with its head kind of tilted up as if
it was looking at me. But the best way I
could say it was was kind of looking at me

(23:47):
sideway is not fully with its head vertical. Yeah, and
that freaked me the f out. I'm not gonna lie.
I locked up for a split second. I don't remember
exactly what I said. I think I said a few
cust words. Honestly, I turned, I turned around and bolted,
which then everybody else bolted. They didn't they didn't ask questions.

(24:11):
They just as soon as they saw me run, they
ran back for the cars. We all jumped in the
cars and we took off down that crunk down the
end down the road because we were at the crossroads.
But we didn't leave that area completely until I was like,
all right, hold up, hold up, we gotta go back.

(24:32):
I got I need to at least look back around
that area for paradolia. I need to try to figure
out what the heck we just saw. We gotta go back.
So we pulled a yui and went back. Whatever it
had been there was gone but the area and the

(24:55):
grass that I saw this shape. The grass was matted down.
There was also no like paradolia natural shapes that I
could remake the object with, despite the angles that I
tried with my flashlight. And I also took a bunch
of pictures of the area, trying to recreate like a

(25:18):
paradolia effect, and I couldn't do it. I've tried to
recreate like a paradolia effect on that dirt bank, and
I couldn't. I couldn't write it off as paradolia. What
I saw looked like a person, but it wasn't a person.
It was like a person, but just very muscular with

(25:42):
fur and black like black as night.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Was it dark at the time outside, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
But the fur, you could tell it was dark. Whatever
we're looking at, their fur has to be so black
that even in dark, it's black.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
So it was definitely like darker in color than the
grass and everything around it. Yes, yes, so it stood
out really easily.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
It stands out like it when it was standing on
that bank. The reason of my eyes caught it is
because it's its shape was darker than the dark a
round it, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. And then whenever you saw it in the grass,
was it like angled facing you? Was it moving backwards?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
No, it was. I think that I had caught it
coming towards the edge of the road, so it was
angled coming in the direction I was walking. Yeah, so
it's on my right foot, right front quadrant. It was angled,
coming directly at me as I'm walking towards it. If
that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I don't think I think it's I think I surprised
it by coming back. I think that later on, as
I've thought about it, and because of the following incident,
I think that it had thought, well, I scared them off,
They're not coming back here, so I'm going to sneak
up to that road. Well, long and behold. I walked

(27:17):
back towards them and caught them in the grass.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
How big was it was? It just like typical human size.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
When it's laying out, it was hard to judge its heights.
It was just long. When I was looking at it
in the grass. It was just long and broader than
a typical person. Not built like a linebacker, but built
more like a stout, just a stout athlete, a swimmer.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, that's pretty typical for the South.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, standing there on the edge of the dirt pile,
it was probably a good seven foot, well over six,
but not massive, not like the sasquatch that you get
reports of out west, whether you know the ten foot
plus right, although we do have incidents down in the

(28:09):
South of having cryptids that are that height. But there's
debate amongst me and fellow researchers whether or not we're
dealing with whether or not that's an alpha male that
we're seeing, or that's a potentially a different like hybrid
sasquatch species that we had seen. I don't know if

(28:31):
you want me to get into that one. But because
that's all another whole can of works.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean, we can go down whatever route you want
to go down. Quite honestly, I mean that's kind of
like the same thing, you know, the same page I'm on.
As far as you know, I haven't done any field
research in years, but at the time that was kind
of the thought process, because you're right, every once in
a while in the South, you'd still run across these

(28:57):
huge giants, you know, ten foot tall and four foot
wide shoulders and everything and just built entirely different. And
the common thought is that they're alpha males of the group.
But there might be something else to it. I don't
really know.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, And that one we think was a juvenile from
follow on investigations and the follow on incident. My good
my good friend that I've been doing field work with
for a long time. His theory, which this is his theory,
although I'm starting to lead credence towards I think it's
quite possible he thinks that that juvenile was counting coup.

(29:37):
He he truly thinks that, and I believe him more
that I've done this. I think it's possible that the
younger individuals and clans will count kup and it was
a there amongst the younger juveniles, or whether that was
a century and there was another young century with them,

(29:58):
and they dared themselves to get close. I don't know,
but he thinks it was counting two and I caught it.
Which the reason I say that is I returned back
to that area like two weeks later and had an incident,
and I believe we had an encounter with the same individual.

(30:18):
And this time that individual was mad, like extremely mad.
And my buddy said, yeah, he's mad. You hurt his honor.
You caught him, You saw him when you weren't supposed
to see him, and that was a challenge to his honor.

(30:40):
That's his theory. I don't know. All I know is
that when we turned back two weeks later, that same
individual came up to the edge of the car. The
hair on the neck, the hair on the back of
my neck had stood up. I got a really bad feeling.
I was like, man, something's off. I kept on having
thoughts in my head that didn't you makes sense, because

(31:01):
they were just popping up like I'm going to kill you,
or I can kill you, or just ran like when
they were happening. Hey, let me premise this with I've
passed multiple psychological evaluations because of my prior career and
current career, so it's not normal for me to have

(31:22):
those type of thoughts just pop up. And the way
that they were popping up was just weird, and it
was it wasn't I It's hard to describe, but it's
like it wasn't me thinking it to myself. It was
almost like something was thinking it towards me. Like the
vibe was so strong that I was like feeling, I'm

(31:46):
going to kill you kind of vibe. Basically, that's bast
where I can describe it.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
But it was a feeling and not words.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
It was in my head though. It was a feeling
and words, but the words were like they were coming
in my mind kind of thing. We'll see. That's the
other thing. The longer you're in this field, I don't
know about you, but you start getting into field to
study that you never intended of getting into, and you
start I don't know about you, but with me, I

(32:14):
was initially very hesitating and uncomfortable with and I'm still
uncomfortable with them to a certain extent. But the longer
you poke around the woods, and the more time you
spend around the woods doing field research on this subject matter,
you're going to have incidents occur that you're not comfortable
with because they're outside the realm of you're what you

(32:38):
consider to be your normal reality or your spectrum of
what you want to deal with. As far as research,
my buddy was with me at the time. I used
to joke around a lot because at that point of
my research, I used to say to him a lot
that I don't want to deal with the woo, I

(33:01):
don't care about the woo, and I don't want nothing
to do with the woo. You can deal with the woo.
That's your area of study. He's like, yeah, just hang on,
just longer. Longer you do this, you'll be more comfortable
with it. But anyways, it was just a weird incident.
I don't I don't know how to describe it. I
just we're sitting there in the car at the same intersection,

(33:21):
at the same crossroads. We were back there because of
what we had seen previously. Where As we're sitting there,
it went from nothing's happening to slowly the hair on
the neck, back of my neck was standing on end. Slowly,
I started getting the feeling of we're being watched too.

(33:44):
It progressed to something's near us to something really close,
and as that happened, I started also having intrusive thoughts
of the best way I can describe it all words,
I'm going to kill you. I could kill you. My

(34:04):
fellow researcher says, now this is this theory. I still
know how I feel about it, but I can't discount it.
And because I am more open minded now and I
don't want to try to discount any theory unless I
can prove it one way or the other. It's I'm
not going to say it's not possible, that it's possible

(34:26):
that they have telepathic abilities, and that juvenile was pissed, yeah,
which it had me so scared. So in my private,
prior career, I'm only telling you this to explain I'm

(34:47):
good with stress. I'm good under high stress environments. I'm
good under emergency situations and situations, and where other people
are freaking out running around with the chickens with their
heads cut off, I'm cool, calm and collected. A lot
of that's because of training, but it's also a part
part of my personality that I just do good under

(35:10):
high stress conditions, which has helped me in the woods.
But in this incident, I was so rattled, which is
abnormal for me to get rattled like this, that I
was scared to turn my head left or right because

(35:31):
I could just since something was on the right side
of the vehicle, on my side of the passenger side
of the vehicle, and I was scared to look. I
didn't really move my head left or right. I kind
of just looked with my eyes still a left at
my friend and I said, do you see anything? And

(35:52):
he said, yeah, he's right there. And I said, what
if are you talking about? He excuse my language, what
do you mean he's right there? And he's like, he
is right there. His head is right there on the
other side of the glass, bottom right corner. Weren't you
know roundabouts area? Well, I was scared, man, and I

(36:16):
didn't I didn't turn my head completely, but I like
kind of look to the right. I didn't really want
to turn my head. I barely turned my head to
the right. Now, use mainly my peripheral vision, and it's
dark outside. But lo one freaking behold, there is a
black shape in the bottom of the window, not fully
like the face isn't like in my face level, but

(36:38):
it's barely above the edge of the door, and I
didn't look enough to say, hey, there's eyes or look
at that face. I looked just enough to see the
shape and I closed my eyes. I was scared, dude,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I was scared.
I was so scared that I was starting to shake.

(37:03):
But the adrenaline dunk didn't hit me until after we left,
which is normal in that those type of situations. Anyways,
I closed my eyes. I didn't know what was about
to happen. My buddy, he stayed more calm than I did.
He's been around that type of situation more than me

(37:24):
to that point. He said, it's gonna be all right.
Just you know, we're not gonna He was saying stuff
like we're not gonna pull guns, we're not gonna take off,
We're not gonna do anything threatening. He's not gonna kill you,
he said. But this part threw me off. But he
said stay sorry. I was like, what He's like, just

(37:46):
say sorry? So I started saying sorry, and I was
so scared. I'm not gonna lie to you. I was
saying sorry. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't mean
to catch you. I am sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. Well, I don't know what happened. I still
think it's crazy even talking about it, But I guess

(38:06):
it worked because I opened my back. I well, I
before I opened my eyes, I said, is he gone?
Is he gone? Is he gone? He's like, he's gone.
So I opened my eyes. The shape's gone. But that
part then scared the crap on me because I looked
in the roar view mirror. He was not gone completely.
He was backed by the bumper of the car, low

(38:29):
enough that all I could see was like the top
of his head. But at that point I looked at
my partner and I said, dude, go, I don't care
and just go. I don't want to be here anymore.
He's like, well, I'm not gonna floor it because I
don't want to hit him. I was like, can we
just go, please go? So he put it in drive,
but he just barely like hit the gas. He's just

(38:51):
like the best way to describe it is let his
foot off the brake. Yeah, and then barely the barely
hit the gas and we started rolling, and we started
creeping down the road. Whatever was there was gone. We
didn't see anything else of it, but we got down
the road a little bit, that adrenaline really hit me.

(39:13):
I also have questions to ask whether or not I've
been hit with them for sound, because I got the
adrenaline dump shakes. But then I also got nauseous and
I started puking. I had to open up the door
and I puked a couple of times, which I've been
in high stress environments before where I've had the adrenaline

(39:34):
dump hit me and I get the shakes, but I've
never puked. I've never felt nauseous. Because of that time,
I was nauseous and it just messed me up, and
it messed me up good for like, honestly, like two days,
because I for a day that two days after that,
I had like a slight ringing in my ear and

(39:58):
I wasn't like it wasn't like full vertigo, but I
was unstable kind of how my walk was when I
stood up out of the vehicle that initial time, my
legs were shaky. But it took like a good forty
eight hours after that, I just would slightly I wouldn't
get dizzy dizzy, but i'd get like dizzyness to like

(40:21):
forty eight hours after that.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Did you feel tired or lethargic.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah it meant yeah, it messed me up. That incident
really messed with me physically and as a researcher mentally
for a little while.

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that location?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, I'm being back to that location multiple times since then. Uh, actually,
h am I. As I become more comfortable, I started
a social media page. There's actually a video on my
last social media pay post where so that individual that
what did that? We nicknamed him Slappy. We nicknamed him

(42:49):
Slappy because my partner and I came to the conclusion
that when we would go into that area, was smacking
our car or smacking on the side of our vehicle.
Because there's been incidents in so we named him Slap, well,
he named him Slappy. I started calling him Slappy once
he started calling him slappy. But anyway, his point being
I'm back. We're back in the same area. I'm on video,

(43:11):
and on video I instinctly said, Slappy, where are you.
I've been back to the area since I haven't run
back into Slappy since then.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
No more negative incidents like that one.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
No, in that area, We've had other incidents. Being another gentleman, actually,
the witness that I became friends with, we were in
the area in that general area, and we were sitting
on the edge of the swamp. And the best way
to describe it is it sounded like something dropped out
of the tree, bipedal into the water and started walking.

(43:52):
And it started walking towards us, but it was walking
at an angle so that it didn't come up from
the water the land directly on us. But it came
up on the land like maybe ten feet to our right,
just far and off far enough off in the distance
that a the brush was thick enough that we couldn't

(44:15):
have seen if we've seen it if we wanted to
b it's dark. So whatever it was when it transitioned
from the water to the land, we didn't see it,
but we heard it. Well. When it came on land,
it pushed us instinctively back and we retreated back away
from the edge of the water and we went into

(44:38):
an open area. Well, these woods go around this open area. Well,
whatever that was kind of circled around us, and then
out of nowhere a tree fell over. But it didn't
just fall over. We heard it like stamp and then
fall over it. But it fell over not next to us,

(44:58):
but close enough to us that it at our attention.
It was a healthy tree. So that was not nearly
I mean, that was that didn't mess with us as
bad as that one incident. But I mean, you can
you could consider that a negative incident.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
In yeah, yeah, I'd consider that a negative incident. And
that's in that same general area.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Same James, same general research. I consider that one of
my primary research areas. I mean, we've had rocks thrown
at us, We've had pieces of trees throwing in the
into the trees above us. My part my one research
partner likes to sleep out there in a hammock. No,
he's crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
No, But and I know there's quite a few bigfooters
out there that like to do the whole hammock camping,
and I just think they're absolutely out of their minds.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Oh, I do too. I love them to death, and
I would give the show off my back for this dude.
And if he hears this, which you probably will, you know,
I love you, dude, but you're nuts. He likes to
sleep out there in a hammock, and he's had incidents
where he's laying in his hammock at night and something
comes up next to him and growls addlem. I consider

(46:13):
that a negative another negative incident. We've had a lot
of activity in that area. That area is just active.
We have a theory that you know, there's a primary
clan in that area that we interact with, but there's
also transient plans that come through there and other cryptids
that come through there, and depending on the day, we're

(46:34):
not always dealing with the hometown plan basically, right, And
if we're not dealing with the hometown plan, it can
go sideways. If that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I mean Obviously I haven't
been to this location, but it sounds like of how
bigfoot territories work and everything. Yeah, you've mentioned the word
cryptids several times. What other thing things are you running
into out there?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
So when I originally got into this, I told you
I was I was trying to figure out what that
dog man. Well, I didn't know as a dog man
when I figured out, okay, that's a dog man. But
then that led me into sasquats. Well, as I'm trying
to figure out the Sasquatch subject, we had incidents where
in this I think the first thing that happened that
got my attention is we like to use the audio

(47:27):
recorders and then we like to cross compare the audio
recordings to databases or known animal noises and anything that
we can't match up, as you know, an anonymous anomaly
audio anomaly. Right, Obviously, we have a general idea of

(47:47):
what we consider to be bigfoot, what we consider to
be dog man. We had anomaly on the audio recorders
one night and we couldn't match it. Obviously it didn't
match any known animal, but it didn't match in our
minds to anything we'd heard. I asked my partner what

(48:08):
he thought, and he said that he'd heard that call
previously being associated with what the paranormal community would call
gugly or face eaters. That be one, that'd be one
of the other cryptids that we've had experience around, because

(48:30):
I've been back in that area and that same call
with sound off in the distance. The best way to
describe it is, it's like it's like the mixture between
the sasquatch and a dog man call. That night it
was there's a thunderstorm in the area. I like to
go into the field. Actually, I prefer to go in

(48:51):
the field when it's foggy, rainy, stormy. If it's the
type of weather that a war party would use to
sneak up on you, or it's the type of weather
that a predator would use to get up close, that's
the type of weather I like to go out. And
because I've noticed that sasquatch and dog man, etc. Like

(49:12):
to do that also. They use the winds and the
noise and reduce visibility to get in closer. Anyways, there's
a thunderstorm in the area, it's dark out, there's not
that much rain. It's just kind of missing rain because
the thunderstorms can kind of pass into the north of
the area, but there's a lot of lightning and on

(49:34):
this road, it's one of the primary roads that we
go down. I noticed a shape off to the edge
of the right of the road as I'm looking down
the road. Every time the lightning would flash, the shape
got bigger and it got closer, So I started backing up.
One of my partners was with me and he saw
it also, But it threw us off. It threw me

(49:58):
off the fact that it was used in the lightning.
I didn't like. It's not something that I'd seen sasquatch
do up until that point. I mean, I'd seen sasquatch
or been around sasquatch using thunderstorms, but I've never seen
them move in the lightning like that. But also the
shape threw me off because it was big, like it

(50:22):
was you know we talk about in the South, you
don't usually deal with them being over ten foot four
foot at the shoulder that often, and this, this guy
or her was big, over ten foot maybe eleven good
four or five feet at the shoulders, just big, and

(50:42):
it was moving towards us. And it also associated with
that call that we had begun to associate with. We
quite couldn't figure out what it was, but we had
theories on what it was. And I don't know how
much experience you have in the woods being around I
just call them sasquatch variants or variants of sasquatch, but

(51:04):
I'm not comfortable around them. They put me on edge
as much as like a rogue mail sasquatch puts me
on edge, or like an old, old lone sasquatch would
put me on edge, because I just don't know what
they're doing, what they're there for. I don't know what
their intentions are. And also whenever anytime I've been around them,

(51:26):
they have they have a very ominous gut feeling associated
with them. I mean sasquatch doingt me wrong. I can
be around sasquatch and also get a similar gut feeling.
Like I told you, I had an incident where I
thought I was gonna die right the juvenile But this
feelings a little. It's just different, little I don't describe.

(51:48):
It's just more dark. The feeling is just more dark.
Best why the ViBe's more dark? But anyways, I was
just uncomfortable. It was getting closer is using lightning that
lead frog because they towards us. So he just slowly
started back in a way got past the crossroads. So
to get to us, it was going to have to

(52:09):
cross over another road to get into the next brush
line to continue to approach. And it locked up at
that the edge of that road. It didn't keep on moving,
it didn't keep it didn't continue to leap frog, but
it held up at the edge of that road. And
a combination of my gut and my friend the main

(52:32):
research partner that I work with, he is very comfortable
on doing stuff that I'm not quite as comfortable doing,
and then our third research partner is not as comfortable
doing some of the stuff I'm doing. So I was
with the partner that is much more uneasy with certain things.
So he was ready to go, and since he was

(52:53):
ready to go when I was also getting uneasy, we left.
But the point is we got got a decent out,
decent outline of it. They look like an alpha sasquatch,
but they've got a stout, So I mean, that's the
best way I can tell it. Tell you that they
have a straight leg just like sasquatch, the straight arms

(53:18):
just an alpha, but an alpha sasquatch body, but they
don't have the Sasquatch face, that's the best way to
put it. And they don't tend to operate impacts. They
tend to operate as singles, are a pair, or we've
met them and they're not really friendly. My one research
partner is more comfortable around them than I am. My

(53:40):
gut feeling is that they'll kill you if you give
them the opportunity. My primary research partner is more leaning
towards they'll kill you if you give them the opportunity,
and or they don't have respect for you. He leans
towards them having more of a warrior mentality, so he

(54:00):
leans more towards if you give them the opportunity to
kill you, and you're a punk, they're going to kill you.
I don't know. I haven't tested that theory because I
haven't wanted to test whether Hey, they respect me and
b I don't want to be that close to them,
and I don't want to I just don't want to
test that theory. So anytime they've been around, I try

(54:24):
to back out, which thought that hasn't always been possible.
I think there's been times they've actually been near us
in the woods pacing us. But that's just theory based
on like the calls we heard that night and the
filling in the woods, and the fact that we were
initially dealing with what I thought was our sasquatch plan

(54:46):
that we're familiar with, and then that clan, like the
best way to describe it is backed off, like faded away,
and then something else came into the area. That's one
of the crypts we.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
The thing that you're talking about that looks like, you know,
a sasquatch with a muzzle. Basically, I did talk to
a kid that saw one at very close range, very
soon after he saw it, and it scared the hell
out of him.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah. Yeah, they they scare the hell on I mean too,
I called a babboonface. That's the best way to put it.
Those would be dog man, sasquatch and face, either gugly
would be the primary cryptis that I've dealt with. There's
been times in the woods or the field. Because I
travel so much and I do field work in so

(55:39):
many different states. I don't just do it on the
Gulf Coast. I do it in the Upper Midwest and
the Upper Plains, the Rockies, the Southwest the Midwest.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
There was I think it was lashed year. Maybe you
had emailed me or sent me a picture whenever you
were in Colorado of like an ex formation behind the
property that you were staying at at the time. Yeah,
I know how that goes. Like once the switch has

(56:10):
been flipped, it's wherever you're at, you're looking around and
noticing things if they're there.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, you know. And with that, while those cryptos I
just mentioned are what I would consider to be the
primary research cryptis for me, there have been times in
the field when you go in the field, you can't
control what you're going to run into. And when you're
digging around the areas that I dig around, or any

(56:37):
other researchers dig around at the time of day that
we tend to dig around places, you're not always going
to run into what you want to run into. There's
been incidents where I've run into stuff that I don't
know what it was. I still don't know what it is.
I don't know what to think about what it was.
I've asked. I've got friends that are in various tribes,

(57:02):
indigenous tribes. I don't know how much information they want
me to give away. About their information, but I've asked
them specifically for clarification on this one incident. It was
an upper planes and the all I can tell you
is that on the edge of a fence line one night,
when I was poking around, there was what I would

(57:26):
say was a sasquatch, but it was wearing a freaking
skull mask.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
A skull mask, yeah, like a human skull.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
No, well, a dead animal school a like a deer,
a deer skull actually on its face, well above its face.
It's like wearing it as a helmet, almost but not quite.
Is it hung It hangs, it hung down like between
its eyes if you get one, if you know what
I mean. I don't know what that was. I didn't

(58:04):
get a good look at it. All I know is
that I did a whole bunch of paradolia photos to
try to figure out that I was seeing what I
thought I saw.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I sent a bunch of those photos off to my
one friend that's in a tribe up in this area,
and he came back with answers that I didn't really,
I can't second guess. I just don't. He came back
with answers that I don't want to mess with whatever
it was, because it was either whether they call a shaman,

(58:42):
or it also gets into a field of an area
that I don't like messing with, because it was either
something that cryptid researchers are sort of used to dealing with,
but a different type of cryptid that we don't get
to see that much. And or it was getting more
into the spiritual world, and and it was an area

(59:08):
of study that I'm really not comfortable with because you
get into witchcraft and yeah, it's witchcraft. Basically, I don't
like dealing with that with that at all. His answer
was shan He said it was either a shaman but
it was part of a Sasquatch clan, which I guess

(59:28):
there's history of that up in this area, and or
it was a shape shifter more so to speak. His
his answer was there was bad news, don't mess with it,
don't go around. It was that led into that same

(59:52):
area as an area I work in. And one day
I was in a camp and where I was standing
camp was on the very back edge whatever that was
that i'd seen on that fence line that day, I'd
seen it further, and it was always kind of on
the edge of the hills overlooking our camp, just hanging

(01:00:16):
far enough back that I couldn't ever get a great
visual on it. But anyways, one day, towards the evening
I had, I was off work, I was waiting on
a flight to go home, and I was in camp
and something came up to my camp. And the best
way I can describe it is that feeling that I

(01:00:38):
had the night in that car when that juvenile came
up to the edge of the car and I thought
I was going to die. Is that feeling, but times
one hundred. I was paralyzed, lent on the couch and
I was inside of I was inside a structure with
the blinds, closed door lock, no way for whatever was

(01:01:03):
outside to get inside. But whatever was outside had me
so freaking. I had such a vibe with it, such
a dark energy with it, that I didn't want to
leave that couch. So I didn't leave that couch for
a good two hours. Honestly, I text or a message

(01:01:25):
that one buddy and I told him what was going on,
and his answer was more towards the religious side. If
he told me some things I needed to do to
make it go away. I don't really want to get
into that subject matter on an open podcast, that'd be

(01:01:48):
more something i'd talk to you in person, one on
one or you know, off air ab out. But I
did what he told me to do, and that incident
slowly but surely went away. That's the best way to
put it, because so surely that filling went away. And uh,

(01:02:12):
that shadow it does other part about it. I could
see its shadow through like the window the blinds, which
I've had that happen in the past and with the
other cryptids, but this this time just I don't know.
It just sucks. It sucked worse than that car incident sucks.
This it just and it sucked also because it gets

(01:02:33):
into an area of study that I'm really not comfortable with.
But I've noticed the longer I'm in this field, like
I said, you're gonna get into stuff you're not you're
not comfortable with it. If you're gonna if you're gonna
poke around the field as much as I poke around,
and you're truly gonna pursue the field like I do,
and you're gonna follow the evidence or the the structures

(01:02:56):
and looking for historical areas to investigate, et cetera, you're
going to run into stuff you don't want to run into.
There's no way around it, all right. I also think
by doing this field work, you kind of open doors
that might not have been opened before. If you're catching,
if you understand what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, have you noticed more things happening since you've started
investigating stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah? Yeah. Luckily where I live now, I don't have
any problems, but previous residents a couple of years back,
it's probably twenty twenty one twenty twenty two time frame.

(01:03:46):
I had the best way to And let me preface
this with I know, anybody who listens to what I'm saying,
I think everything I'm saying is crazy and they don't know,
don't believe it, whatever, And I totally get it. As
a former total skeptic, I do not blame anyone that's
never had an encounter believing in the subject matter. I

(01:04:09):
completely understand people not believing. But all I can tell
you is I'm being honest about everything I'm telling you.
I don't know why, but I started having like dog
Man come to my house. They were in that area
that we were living. Was this other thing. The more
I've done field research, the more I've realized everybody thinks

(01:04:32):
that dog man and sasquatch are only in rural areas
and that you have to go out in the middle
of nowhere to find them, And that's not true. They
can be in the woodlock next door, as long as
there's a greenway a covered, as long as this terrain
allows for them to get in and out of that

(01:04:53):
area without being seen, and there's water and food, so
they can get into places that I think a lot
of people don't ever think to look for them. Yeah,
and that area is one of them. I'd never thought
that there would be dog man in that area until
they started coming to my house.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Whenever they started coming to where you lived, what were
they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Initially they were just doing a lot of the best
way I could do it. Describe it as creeping, like
hanging out on the edge of the property, just watching
as if they were curious. It progressed though, from that
to them getting on like the roof at night, to
them creeping around the edges of the house at night.

(01:05:43):
I put out which I suggest to anyone that has
problems at their house with dog man, sasquatch, or honestly,
it's a good suggestion for security reasons to put out
motion lights, motion spotlights around in your house. I put

(01:06:04):
out my motion spotlights around that entire house, and now
I've got motion spotlights and cameras combined where I live now.
But that house had just said motion lights. And it
progressed from them like hanging out on the edge of

(01:06:25):
the property just watching at nighttime and me standing on
like the back front porch or the back porch and
staring out in the darkness, and I hear it, like
their howls, and I'd be like, I know they're there,
like I can. I can since I'm being watched, but
I can't really see anything. So it went from that
too slowly, but surely I started seeing shadows and on

(01:06:48):
the edge of the darkness. I mean, I don't know
about you, but the by I've spent time in the woods,
sasquatching dog man love to operate right there on the
edge of the light there. They're really good at coming
up right to the edge of where they don't really

(01:07:09):
show themselves but you can kind of make out like
an outline. They love doing that, and they were doing
that there, just like there'd be shapes in the yard
low down to the ground. The vibe was just off
also it just it made no as someone that's ton
in coyotes and other animals for years, there's no unless

(01:07:29):
it was straight dog, a straight dog pack. But I
did not know lived in the area, and there were
some of the largest dogs I've ever seen. There is
no real explanation to why these shapes were creeping up
in the grass on the edge of the property, just
hanging out on the edge of the light and the
grass to what they were other than they were dogging.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Animals don't just come and hang out. No, they move
through an area. They come to an area for whatever reason,
you know, get food or whatever, and then they leave,
especially if there's like a person standing there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yeah, they don't hang out like a freaking ranger recon unit. Yeah,
it's just staring back at you. I mean, you know, wolves,
wolves will circle you and I wolves will study you,
but they don't do that. Any wolves I've been around
don't do it like this. Let's just put it that way.
And there's definitely no wolves in the area that this

(01:08:28):
incident occurs, and then I don't know progress from that
there was a incident. The more I'm in this field anytime,
I feel like I'm being watched I like to just
start doing videotape and snapping pictures. It's just a reflex
that I do. Whether I see anything or not visually

(01:08:50):
with my eyes, I just start snapping pictures with my
phone and doing video of my surroundings and I start
I was doing that, and because of that, there was
just a couple a couple of photographs that came back
that were really questionable that may basically look like eyes
on So there was a fence on the edge of

(01:09:13):
the property, and it looked as if basically there were
eyes or a head with eyes just on the other
side of that fence staring back at me. And there
was a couple other pictures that came out that I
sent off to my buddy and had him look at,
which anytime I get a questionable photograph or questionable audio

(01:09:36):
or questionable track anything, I sent it off for second
opinion before I really proceed. I mean, I look at
it initially and I'll you know, get an initial thought
on it, but then I automatically will like duplicate it
and send it off my standard operating procedures, there's like
three people. I send it off to you right away

(01:09:57):
and say, what do you see do you any you know,
what do you see anything? And what do you see
if you see anything? And there was just a couple
of photos that had anomalists. I'll just say there was
anomalies in them. Yeah, because unfortunately a lot of photographs
and video evidence in this field, which I know, it

(01:10:21):
really hurts being able to convince those that are on
the fence or don't want to believe in this subject.
But to a certain extent, I don't think no matter
what you're showing, they're gonna believe anyway. So it doesn't
hurt that. It doesn't hurt that much. But unfortunately, in
this field, a lot of photographs and video will come

(01:10:43):
out grainy and come out pixelated blob, squatch, blob dog man.
While at certain times it's definitely paradolia or individuals getting
carried away in seeing shadows and shadows and shadows, et cetera,

(01:11:05):
there are definitely times where there are anomalies in those photos.
It's the best way to describe it. They don't come
out crisp, and they they definitely take some So imagination,
I guess, is the best word to use to be
able to see what you're seeing. But then that's the
problem for investigators like me. That's been a problem for

(01:11:29):
me because I'm used to deal with evidence. When I
mean evidence, I mean evidence like arson investigation evidence. I
want hard evidence. Tracks and structures are great, but it's
a lot of the times it's still circumstantial evidence. And
then you know, hair samples are great, but the mainstream
labs have a tendency of making those results come back

(01:11:53):
questionable anyways, So in this field, a lot of your
evidence is it's not going to be as solid as
I would like it. For me, I've just gotten to
the point so I know they exist. I know they're
out there. I've seen them with my own two eyes.
I've had too many incidents to not know that they exist.
So I don't question the fact that the photos come

(01:12:15):
out blurry anymore. I don't question that I can't get
I can't get the Klan to come on TV and
do an interview with me, right. I just know that
my evidence is only going to go so far. That's
why at this point my research has gotten to the
point where I'm really doing it anymore just because I'm hooked.

(01:12:36):
I love it. I like being out in the field.
I'm not really trying to prove anything to anyone. If
I get great evidence that I can share with people,
that's great, but I tend to only share with a
select few people anyways. I'm really just out there for
the experience. I've already answered a lot of the questions
I had when I initially got into this subject of
what was that from twenty thirteen? Well, I know what

(01:12:58):
that was now, and I know that there's others out
there now, and I know that you know sasquatching dog Man,
and there's cryptids that a lot of people that think
don't exist, or that they think they're fairy tales and
miss Unfortunately for them, they're not. They exist. The longer
and deeperright, dig I'm getting into subject matter that I

(01:13:21):
really am not comfortable with, because the deeper you dig,
you start getting in just quantum physics, quantum mechanics, the
spiritual aspect of the world, religious studies. It's taking me
down pathways that I had initially never intended, and I

(01:13:44):
don't know how comfortable I am to continue down some
of those pathways. If you get where I'm getting at.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Well, once you start opening doors, you got to get
a lot more careful about which doors you open.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, that's where my research is at now. I'm just
I'm getting the doorways that I'm not quite comfortable going
down opening the door anymore, opening that door. I mean,
that's the thing if you want answers in this field.
I mean, I can't speak for other people, but for me,
my personal experience has been that once you prove they exist, okay,

(01:14:18):
that's great, what they are exactly, that really gets into
areas of study that I'm not comfortable with because I've
seen them do things and that incidence that just bog
on my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
You definitely run into things that don't fit into a
box of anything that we know about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
So when I heard researchers initially talking about like orbs
or like the predator effect, like I said, I used
to tell my buddy all the time, I want nothing
you deal with the WOO. I don't want nothing to
do with the wo And that's how I was for
a while. Well, now I'm wanting to persent open minded.
But just because I'm open minded doesn't mean I'm still

(01:15:04):
comfortable dealing with some of the doorways. Because now I'm
at the point where to pursue further answers, I've got
to go into areas of study that involve I mean,
I don't have the best way to describe it is
quantum mechanics, quantum physics, witchcraft, religious studies, and multi dimensional theory.

(01:15:27):
I don't know. I don't know if I really want
those answers or how comfortable I am with the answers
that I'm going to get.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
A whole different set of rules, and we don't know
what those rules are. We don't even know what you're
dealing with. At that point. You know you're getting into
areas where you can't really trust everything that you see
or observe or you know, hear.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Yeah, because I mean, if I opened up to you
and told you truly all of my experiences, we would
get into subject matter that is not I mean, I've
been listening to your show for quite a few years.
I haven't heard all your shows, but i've heard quite
a few of them, and there's just certain subjects that

(01:16:11):
I don't think I've heard discussed on on your podcast,
and if they have been, they haven't been discussed often.
And I'm not saying that I would bring it. I
would bring up something that's never been talked about on
your podcast. But if we truly got into all the
experience that experiences that I've had. We're just going to

(01:16:34):
get into areas that I don't really feel like talking
about on an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, I mean I cover a lot of bases. I
allow people to, you know, talk about things that they're
comfortable with talking about. There's been certain times that I've
kind of directed guests away from certain areas because you
can start getting into dangerous topics. You know that everybody
listening may it may not be ready for that sort

(01:17:03):
of information. You know. I would hate to feel that
we would discuss something and somebody listening might hear it
and start poking around in things they shouldn't poke around
in or aren't experienced enough to mess with yet, and
something horrible could happen. And I certainly don't want to
be responsible for something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I don't want to be responsible for that. And I'm
also for the individuals that are on the fence that
are going to listen to this. I don't want to
push them away. I want them to be comfortable to
try to go out in the field and have an
experience for themselves so that they can find out that,
you know, they are real. I don't want to get

(01:17:46):
so deep into certain subjects that they hear us discuss
that they're like turned off or scared away from the subjects.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, well, I think that's a good place to end
it right there. It was great getting to talk to
you man, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
If anybody wants to look at my work, just look
for Innerdimensional Wisdom on techtok or YouTube or Instagram Innerdimensional Wisdom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
And if you've had your own running with Bigfoot or
dog Man or something else you can't explain, send me
an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links
to social media, past episodes, everything you need all in
one place. And until next time, remember there's something in
the woods.