Ep:165 Georgia Bigfoot Guides

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The only reason I really was able to see was
because of his face. Well, when I pointed at him,
that was the wrong thing to do, because as soon
as I pointed at him, he dropped down and took off.
And this thing was like lighting and fast, And a
lot of people asked me and said, wow, you didn't
get a picture of him or anything. I'm like, you
know what, I had a great camera and phone in
my pocket, and that never dawned on me. It never
crossed my mind. So at that point right there, for me,

(00:22):
things you know, were different, because when you see one
of these things, it changes things for you. You would
come to a realization that this is real. And if
this is real, what else is real?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah? It to me, even on the way home, you know,
I was just I could not get it out of
my head because you go through everything in your mind,
like things you've seen or seen in a book or whatever,
and I had nothing. There's nothing. It's just so crazy
because your whole life, you know, your parents and my
parents should tell me. You know, the Ligerman's not real,
that's that's just something somebody makes up with scare kids. Well,

(00:54):
then you know that's wrong. And if that's wrong, then
what else is wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'd like to welcome Scott and Sheila to the show. Uh,
they're from Georgia and you guys are married, correct, yes, yes,
And you guys have the Squatch Fishing Outfitter company. What
would you call it a company?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Squatch Fish and Outfitters. You know, it's a business.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So for you guys personally, which came first? The Bigfoot
of the love?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Wait? For us, it was the love.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
We've been married a while. We lived in South Georgia
and we've been here in North Georgia since twenty nineteen,
is it right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
The first, and I think the Yeah, we met a
long time back and everything, and you know, jumped over
that room.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
He didn't have that club out anything Bigfoot and I
had him watch Legend of Boggy Creek one night because
that's my favorite movie. And you know, we watched that,
and who knew we moved up here to North Georgia
and it started from there.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So you're the one that started it all.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's what he accuses me of. Anybody.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
She drug me into all this, and and she know
she asked me any about it and everything, and I
tell you, I said down the one day and I
told her, you know, I said, you know what, You've
known me for a long time, and I have hunting
and fish these river bottoms and swamps all my life,
and I truly have. I mean, if it was either
to hunt or fish for I pretty much done it.
And I told her, I said, you know, if anything

(03:02):
like that ever existed, I said, honey, I would have
seen it or something like that. Well, you know you
always hear about that old saying you grew up to
eat those words, right, Well I was that person. I
had to grow up to eat those words because we've
actually seen them. And we moved up here in North

(03:24):
Georgia and she would run across the Bigfoot expedition and
she begged me and begging, and I finally told her,
I said, I said, I said, we'll go do it.
You know, I was doing it mostly for her. And
we went on that and that sort of you know,

(03:44):
kicked the big part of it off. But we had
we had things going on prior to that. Had a
cabin released. I let her tell you about that, for.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
You didn't I did. Scott stayed in South Georgia and
I come on up here and was working. We had
least a little eight hundred square foot cabin down by
the river, and it was off season, so there was
nobody else around, just me and I would be, you know,
there at night or whatever by myself, of course, and
I would hear this whooping noise. And one night I

(04:14):
was on the phone with him and it was wooing,
and I said, what kind of bird makes a whooping noise?
And Scott heard it through the bon and he's like,
I have no idea, I've never heard of bird. Well,
our questions got answered, you know, later on that year.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, we went out on this expedition and we were
there early. A friend of ours, we went out him
and while we were riding, she was sitting in trun
and say with me, and she's seen something across the
road in front of us. Wasn't sure what it was,
but we stopped and hear and our friend baby down.
They walked down to where the whatever was crossed in

(04:50):
front of the road. Well, me and the rest of
the folks we get out of my truck and we're
all standing in front of this truck and it's it's
one thing. It's a dodge ram, you know. And I
say that because a lot of people understand those things
headlines shine way out to the side, really really good. Yeah,
We're standing in front of a truck, you know, we're
talking and we all of a sudden hear a whoop

(05:13):
about ten fifteen yards from us. We all snatch around,
you know, to look at the direction that come from.
And there was a young ladies standing there with me.
Her eyes were about as big as saucerers. She said,
did you hear that? I said, of course I heard that,
So you know that was that went on, and we're
looking as hard as we can to see anything. Never did,

(05:34):
never could see anything. So weazon up to the top
of the mountain there and we're parked up there and listening,
and our friend and a couple of people they went
down a trail for a little bit and then sheila
were sitting there, you know, just kind of kick back,
listening and watching what's going on. We had something extremely heavy,

(05:56):
you know, walking around that plateau area up there we
was on and our friend he had said, a telephone
up on my hood. My truck, you know, had to
record going and we're this thing is walking around us
and it's you know, getting more to the front of
my truck. I told she, I said, let's se he's

(06:17):
on the backup there toward a truck. And she said
why and I says, well, I ain't one hundred percent
sure what that is. I said, I, but I don't
want something to get between us and our truck. So
we started walking up our truck and the light comes
on on our friend's telephone and I said, ah, he
must have got a message or something, you know, come

(06:38):
in is my thinking process. And then it gets back
and I tell him, you know, he's had a message
or something. He says, what do you mean. I said, well,
your phone was lit up. He says, well, it don't
light up if a message, counselor anything. You have to
touch it to make it light up. And he played
with her. They got us send him messages and stuff,
and showed us said you actually have to touch that

(06:59):
phone make it light up up. Huh yes. And a
little bit later on he replayed the recording and right
as the point come to where the phone lit up,
you can hear heavy breathing on this phone.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now this is this is a ram four wheel drive,
you know, and it's leveled out and everything, so the
hood's pretty high and the phone sitting in the middle
of the hood and so you know, we're we're thinking
about things then, but we're like, what he knew there
may be a little something to all this. Yeah, and

(07:35):
time and time goes on with us and everything we
still which stay going with this particular group.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, no, he's not telling about the best part. This part.
We got back to king that night and we were
sleeping in this small little tent and you know, this
is our first time going. We didn't we we've learned
everything the hard way. So we're sleeping in there and
you could hear something come down. It was on two legs.
There's no doubt in my mind about that. I mean,
because the footfalls were very, very heavy, and it come

(08:02):
up to towards our tent. And earlier that night we
had cooked bacon before we went out, so obviously that
sin was in the air. And I'm whispering oder I
said Scott. Scott, you know, he says, I hear it,
I hear it, And I'm going to tell you whatever
it was had to be huge, because it left let
out like an exasperated like that. You know, if that

(08:24):
thing had reached out and touched that tent, I would
have ran with a tint and everything, and it just
it turned on, you know, and went back the way
it comes. And that was like from that point on,
I think, you know, we were I know, I was
totally hooked.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
And I was getting to that point, you know, on
the hood part a little bit. And when she was
telling you how that an exasperated exhaled. You know, I've
heard black bears do that a lot, and it wasn't
no black bear. Black bear doesn't have that kind of
lung capacity, and it's training one that has never heard.
Its super hard to try to describe. I mean, you

(09:04):
just you kind of got to sort of feel like
a big truck tire that you stabbed a massive hole
in the side of it, that exhaled a wind coming
out of that tire. If you can imagine that, you'll
be getting close to it.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah. People can usually get hung up on the sound,
but it's just the volume of air being moved exactly.
You know, you realize that whatever this is has a
massive lung capacity, larger than anything I've encountered before. And
that's the part that's hard to get across the folks.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It is, and when you're trying to describe something loud
that is, you know, the big truck tires. The only
way I know to try to describe it, you know,
to give someone's nation to the point of where, wow,
that's a lot of wind, that's a lot of air.
And anyway, so we, like I said, we can, can

(10:00):
you go on all this group and checking it out
for doing a lot of scouting for them and different things,
and and that was pretty neat. You know, we were having
a big time of that. And the favored day come over.
She actually had her first sighting and I let her
tell you all about that.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay, we we were actually in Georgia, that's where we were.
It was, uh, it was right around lunch that day.
We had went out scouting looking for new places to
go camping. Beautiful day. It was September, so not a
whole lot of foliage on the trees. Still, you know,
I could you could see pretty good. And I'll tell

(10:43):
everybody this. I usually carried in the woods mainly for hogs.
I'm terrified of wild hogs. That day, I didn't have
anything on me, and I didn't even have my cell
phone on me because you know, I just wasn't expecting anything.
It was just me, Scott and our friend. So we
were going to go up a ridge and I thought
they were right behind me. You know, I went on
it while I have momentum. I get to the top

(11:05):
and they're down there looking at a tree that something
had been grabbing, like reaching its hand around and pulling
itself up. And I get to the top and I'm
looking over the ridge down there. It's pretty good ways
up where our cars are and some dirt roads and
you know, just enjoying the view. I hear something. That's

(11:26):
the only reason I look that direction. And I heard something.
And I don't know if you've ever heard like the
clicking sound they make, you know, with I think with
their tongues. I think that's what it was. And I
took a step back and I looked about to my
four o'clock and it was about twenty five yards away.
But when you look and you see the tree, you

(11:46):
know you're you're looking at it. So it's just so unbelievable.
I can't explain it. I know I'm looking at something,
but my mind's thinking, what is that. It was behind
a tree, and it had both hands around the tree.
The left shoulder was on the left side of the tree.
The right shoulder was on the right side of the tree.

(12:07):
The biggest thing to sit out is it had no neck.
No neck. It looked like it had on like a
I call a cinnamon color fur coat. I'm looking at it.
It's looking at me, you know, And I say, Scott,
because like I said, I thought they were coming on up,
and he hollered, they were still down the ridge. Me

(12:28):
and this thing are making an eye contact, no doubt
about it whatsoever. I'm looking at it. It's looking at me,
and it's starting to get a little bit more motion,
you know, like leaning to the left. And when it
started that, I mean, I yelled, scirred, and this thing
just dropped like a puff of smoke and tore off.
And when they finally came running up the ridge, because

(12:52):
realized something was up, and I pointed, you know, I'm
shaking all over, and I said, there was a big
foot right there was standing right there, you know. I
point the tree, and uh, my friend and I we
got running over there, and Scott stands there telling us
where to go. Like, because I wasn't going to stand there.
I'm gonna tell you that I was headed towards it.
Now I was a cop for over twenty years. If

(13:13):
I had called something like that out on the radio,
I would have gave a description like six six and
a half foot tall. But when I got there, it
was actually on a dukline, so you know, had to
be at least seven seven a half foot tall. And
you could see when it dropped down. You could see
like the knuckle marks and everything where it just dug
in the ground when it took off.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wow, when she's telling you about shaking all over and
I'll make a joke about this a lot, and everyone
knows what a pickle mean yell move is. Yeah, Well,
I had a full life version standing on top of
the ridge with me. And when she pointed it out
and told us what she had seen over there, she
pointed out the area where the top of his head

(13:53):
was at the tree. So I stayed there and washed
that spot for him. And when they got over there
start looking around and everything. Our friend and her both
saw where it had dropped down and took off, leaving tracks,
and we wound up tracking that. And I call these
things critters, you know. And we wound up tracking that

(14:16):
critter down that ridge for a good little ways and
we come to a ravine. Now, the ravine is about
fifteen feet deep and a little over fifteen yards across it.
It didn't go down in the ravine and jumped it.
We see where it you know, left front, left from
my side and landed on the other side, and just

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I mean Clint cleared it with ease. So we get
back up around the tree area where I was standing
there looking at Sheilam, and while all this was going
on with him and him and her, it left a
little present there, I should say, little President was a
huge present, huh, A big scat out there. That we

(15:01):
actually have pictures of the things, and that enormous is
like an understatement.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, if it had been like really cold outside, it
would have still been steaming. I have no doubt whatsoever, No.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Doubt, no doubt. So we get her, you know, settled
down and everything, and we just continue looking around for
this scritter where you could have went and wound up
leaving out that evening. And our whole reason for being
up there is we were scouting for an upcoming expedition.

(15:35):
About two weeks later, when the expedition is getting ready
to start, where they're real early and we're all down
in our camp area, and one of our friends that
was there, he hollered to me, said, he told me
there was something moving up on that ridge and some
standing sign a truck. And I started scanning the ridge
and I saw it standing up there, just between two trees,

(15:56):
looking back at our friend, and I told him, I
said I see, and he said, what is it? I said,
I soill care? And he starts eating another to us,
to me, and I'm trying to direct him where to
look to be able to see this spreader, and I've
got a great view of him the whole time. He's
between two trees, a little bit of ground foliage almost

(16:18):
up to his knees, and he's standing kind of in
the open to me, but he had he has stuff
between him and my buddy. So when he finally gets
over there and I'm telling him where to look, he's
telling me the whole time he says, God, I'm not seeing.
And this thing blended into the background so good, I mean,
way better than a man in a gilly suit. And

(16:38):
I feel real comfortable that I was probably seeing the
same one that she was seeing, after she had described
it by the color and all a cinnamon color brown.
He just blended into all those dead leaves on the
hillside behind him. Great. The only reason I really was
able to see him was because of his face. His
face was a light gray in color by my gray clay.

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So and I keep telling him where he's at, and
he's telling me, he says, I'm telling you, so I
just don't see him. So I finally reach up and
reach over his shoulder. I point at him. Well, when
I pointed at him, that was the wrong thing to do,
because as soon as I pointed at him, he dropped
down and took off, And this thing was like lightning
him fast. I mean, an Olympic athlete is not that

(17:23):
ass deer is not that fast. He could over forty
yards and just I mean just a little bit. But
the moment he moved, my friend saw him. He said, oh,
there he is. I said, yeah, I've been sitting here
watching him, you know, for like a minute and a
half or so. A lot of people asked me, he said, wow,

(17:44):
you didn't get a picture of him or anything. I'm like,
you know what, I had a great camera and phone
in my pocket, and that never dawned on me. It
never crossed my mind to pull that phone out of
my my pocket and try to take a picture, so
that point right there. You know, for me, things you
know were different because when you see one of these things,

(18:09):
you know in real life and everything, it's it changes
things for you. I mean it really does, because you'd
come to a realization that this is real, and if
this is real, what else is real?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
And you know that That's kind of how it was
for me, and I think it was basically about the
same way for Sheila. It took her several days to
convince herself of what she's seen.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, it to me, even on the way home, you know,
I was just I could not get it out of
my head because you go through everything in your mind,
like things you've seen or seen in a book or whatever,
and I had nothing. There's nothing you could connect it to.
Like I knew it wasn't a bear. I mean, I
know what a bear looks like. It was not a
bear the face and there was no hair on the face.

(18:55):
But to me, a little like old Gray Clay, I
don't you know, like I feel like it meant for
me to see it now, you know, reflecting him back
at the time, I didn't know what to think, you know,
I don't know if he waited for me to get
away from Scott and our friend and he was just
being curious. I have no idea, but I wouldn't have

(19:16):
looked that way otherwise, but it did. It took me
about three days, you know, to calm down and say,
I can't I can't believe. It's just so crazy because
your whole life, you know, your parents, my parents, you
should tell me, you know, the Bigger Man's not real,
that's you know, that's just something somebody makes up with
scare kids. Well, then you know that's wrong. And if
that's wrong, then what else is wrong.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
We continued on that group for a good long time,
and during that time, we would have a lot of
people ask uf you know, you know, they would really
or tell us they'd really like to go and do
one of these kind of things or something along these lines,
but they they just didn't want to spend that kind
of money or any thing to go and do all that,

(20:01):
and in which we understood that we totally did. We
got talking amongst ourselves about it after we've been doing
this for a pretty good while, and I told SHELI,
I said, you know, it seems to me that we
could actually do this, you know, where it could be
affordable for anybody that wanted to do it to be

(20:22):
able to do it. We finally got all that figured out,
and then we started the process of you know, get
every let's get everything where it's legal and all that
good stuff. So we started in with the insurance, the permits,
all the things go along with that. And it took

(20:43):
us about a year and a half to get all
the permits and everything done and get everything straightened out
of that. That was and everything before we finally ever
got started up. It was some trying times about permits
and all that too.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, what did you tell people, you know, whenever
you're getting these permits and everything? Did anybody ask what
are you all doing?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's funny you ask, because you know I told them
exactly what we And the other thing about it is,
you know, right there in our name Squats Fishing Outfitters,
I'm a fly fishing guide here also, and where I
take people that have never held a fly rod in
their life, you know, I teach them to cast that,

(21:27):
teach them to work with it, and then I get
them fishing on these small streams. And I've talked people
from my year old grandson to gentlemen that are way
on up there in their age and for somebody to
catch that for a fish.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
On fly rod, they're all little kids at that point.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
They really are. And I get a lot of enjoyment
out of that. I really do, because a member of
a disabled veterans group called Project Healing Waters, and I
just can't say enough about that group right there. They're
the ones that got me in the fly fishing and
me teaching other people how to do it and things

(22:09):
like that, the art of it and everything.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
That's that's my way of giving a little bit back
and because I'm going to do it anyway and I
enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
What gave you the idea to combine those two worlds though, Well,
you know, there's.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
A lot of trout fishermen that have big, big fit sightings.
There's been a lot reported here like in Healing and
then you know all around North Georgia. And then Scott
has the trout fishing and he's retired so he wanted
to do that, and you knew, we knew we wanted
to do bigfit expeditions. So I was like, we're getting
their permits anyway. So why not combine the two, you know,

(22:48):
squatch fishing. There you go.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
When we decided to combine the two, you know, then
it was to come up with a name. So we're
kicking around some ideas and everything about names and everything
for the business and all that, and Shela turns around,
looks at I mean, rattles off squad fishing, and it's
it and it's stuck. It's been that ever since. But

(23:10):
back to the permit. Yeah, like I said, it took
about a year and a half get all the permits done,
insurance and all that stuff, and and I did. Those
permits are very extensive. They ask everything about everything, and

(23:31):
I explained in great detail of all what we do.
And then whenever I had to explain some things in person.
When I was doing that, there wasn't a smile in
the room, not a laugh or nothing. Everybody's coming off
their head and said, okay.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Huh, I mean it is North Georges.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I guess you're right there.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I got the Befit Museum around hey that and.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Uh sound And finally get to the point where we
have our very first expedition and we're excited, you know,
having our very first one and all, it was a
big time for us, and the folks that actually showed up,
it was you know, it was a big time for

(24:18):
them also. And I'll let you tell you about her
part about that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, our first expedition, we were just terrified. We didn't
you know that obviously the first time, how it was
going to go, what we needed to do, blah blah blah,
and we were just kind of winging it. But we
can have asked for more activity. That weekend it was perfect.
The first night we went out. We have a base camp.
Then we drive a little bit to where we're going

(24:44):
to go. We take you know, two or three vehicles,
usually our jeeps or something. And in my group, you know,
we we sit around the fire. We built a fire
that night. There was only one male in our group
and the rest of our females there was like five
or six females maybe, And I mean it's so dark
you can't hard to see your hand in from your face.

(25:05):
And the beautiful night though than that, and then all
of a sudden, the rocks start getting tossed out of
the woodline. And they're not coming from like the sky down,
They're getting tossed out of the woodline, and everybody's eyes
get huge, you said, especially the male that's in the group's.
He looked at me and he said, did you see that?
I said, yeah, did you notice they're all getting thrown at?
You say, he was a little bit unnerve. You know,

(25:27):
they obviously didn't want him there. The females get it.
Said that night was pretty intense. He actually seen an
orb that night, and a couple of people when we
went to leave, heard a growl. So everybody was just
ecstatic with with you know that and the other things

(25:47):
that were going on. The second night of that expedition,
and we went down to where Scott and his group
had been the night before, and uh, well we'll have
a set and grip around the fire and then we'll
have a group that just hocks off a little bit.
That night, it was it was just crazy. We started

(26:08):
having little rocks drawing out of us again, and I
promise you will. We're at There's not a human out there,
you know, and bears can't throw rocks that I know of.
And I know I'm gonna get you know, people's gonna
think I'm crazy for this, but I had a slingshot,
so I take the sling shot. When they throw a rock,
I throw a rock, you know, not the direction the

(26:28):
little rock come from. I throw it in another direction,
and then it would be about fifteen twenty seconds later
here would come another rock. I mean, it was just
everybody was shod and including us. I mean, we're just
floored by this. And this went on for about twenty
thirty minutes. I mean, it was just I was giddy
or I was so excited about that. So we went

(26:50):
around the fire that night and Scott's group starts out hoicking,
and there was like three or four women around the
fire that night. So when they come back from hocking,
I asked Scott, I said, can you follow me around
the side of my jeep to take care of some business.
So we were walking around the corner of my jeep
and they're on the fender. What do you thunder, Flare,

(27:12):
there's this rock. It's about the size of my hand.
It's like a river rock. That rock was not wrong,
it was placed there.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I was so excited about that. I mean, it was
like they gifted me from maybe playing because I had
I'm thinking my mind, I had to be juveniles to
do all that. But it was placed there, and that
rock is in my curio cabinet today.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Wow, how did you all pick that first spot.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
We actually spend a lot of time in these mountains,
you know, doing this. This is it's become a full
time thing for us, now totally full time. We spend
a lot of time, you know, watching and checking on things.
And we have some areas where we know these critters
are at. And I said, and when I say several areas,

(28:00):
we we utilize several different areas, and that particular area
was the area that we were having the most activity
in at that time. And that's how we decide on
where we're gonna go. It's not one of them things
where we say, okay, this month, right here, we're gonna
go to such and such place. We don't know sometimes

(28:21):
to ride at the last minute exactly where we're gonna go,
because we we may have two areas that both have
pretty good activity, but we do our best to take
folks to the to the area that's the most active,
you know, to give them the opportunity to give to
have their own interaction or.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Side in or And I think sometimes, like I say,
we where we live is in the woods. To begin with,
we live between them about three different mountains, three or
four actually, so we you know, we do stay in
the woods lot. I feel like some of these places
we go that maybe they're like, oh, they're back, or
they recognize us or something.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
That's that's the way I attributed sometimes gosh her in
the woods. One time, Scott and I had went to
this one place and we were hiking back there. We're
gonna put audio in the back. And this was during
the day. It was I don't know, it was about
evening time. It was probably about three or four o'clock.
And I kept telling him, I said, I'm hearing something

(29:23):
off to the right. It sounded like somebody driving down
a tent state because it was just that rhythm. But
then I got that he stopped and he finally was listening.
It sounded like you were standing in front of like
a girl of cage at the zoo, like it was
we were talking about Whalley Goo building itself up. It
was gonna wrap like it was getting. The more it does,
the matter it got. Yeah, and who. So of course

(29:47):
we went towards that sound, and we did put audio
up that night, and so we went back a couple
of nights later with two of our other team members
and my best friend and her husband. So Scott and
Tom walked back into the woods to retrieve the audio. Well,
we're in the woods. They just went further back. Michelle

(30:07):
and I were building a little campfire because by this
time it was about to be dark, and like I say,
I do carry facially once two females in the woods
and we were sitting there. She will never let the
fire go out. I promise you that she don't. I
don't care if she said whatever. And so I kept
hearing this, you know, off in the distance, and I'd say,

(30:28):
I'm sure, do you hear that. She goes No, I
don't hear anything, and I said, we'll sit down, and
you know, so the only thing I can liken it
too to the sound anything like this I've overheard was
like an alligator when it I don't know if it's
growling or what you want to call it, like in Florida,
you know that sound, And it was it was getting closer.
I did have audio running, and like I don't know,

(30:52):
it's maybe every thirty forty five seconds. It was doing
it and was coming closer to us, and I was
so glad I had the audio running. We we didn't
have a plan, like if it's something to come up there.
She put the keys in the truck, and you know,
we had this whole plan and I'm sure it would
all fell through if something jumped out with them, but
we did. We got forts and growls and at the

(31:12):
end of that, you know, one whoop, so a really
good who at the end of that, yeah, it's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Well, how have y'all experienced anything around your house?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
We were actually going to get to that, yeah, a
good little bit, but uh, she had told you. We
had rented a small cabin up here when we first
moved up here, and after we were into that cabin,
you know, we were we were on the dugs for
our forever home up here, and took a good little
while to find that, but we finally did. And when

(31:46):
we bought this place that we have now, we had
no idea at that time that this area had these
cruiters right here around us. It's one of the things
that just you know, lucky draw they happened to come
with it sort of deal. We've been living here for
about two weeks before anything started happening, and the first

(32:11):
things that started happening was the side of the house
would get slapped our gas tank, which says, right out
behind the house, it would get slapped, that big propane tank.
And that's a really unique sound when that thing gets slapped.
Our meter box. There's something about that meter box that
they dearly loved because they loved to slap that thing.

(32:33):
And we were telling some people about that, especially about
the met here box, because that was kind of funny
to you me and one guy asked me, He says,
is that one of the time meters they can remotely read?
And I said, yeah, I actually it is. He said,
well it puts off a frequency, and which made some sense.
It made good sense. Yeah, you know once he said that.

(32:56):
And uh. But the one big kicker that has happened
is our lights. We have flood lights, dual headed flood
lights on all four corners of the house. Well initially
they were all just on switch. You had to turn
the switch on for the light to come on. And
I went to flip the lights on one evening. I

(33:19):
can't even remember why I was flipping the light song.
I was going outside, I know that, but I went
to flip the light song lights didn't come on, and
I said, well, dang, you know done blood light bulbs
right there and everything, and walking and get my flash light,
and then the dun's on me. I said, you, that's
kind of odd both those lights bull at the same time,
I says, but no telling how long they've been in there.

(33:41):
So the next day I give me two light bulbs
and it takes that a twelve foot a frame ladder
to get to these lights. So I show me on
up ladder and go change these lights. And I grab
a hold of the first one and it's loose, so
I go to tie it back up, and it took
four quarter turns to time that light bullbup, you know,

(34:01):
one complete revolution. Yeah, And I reach over and grab
a hole the other one. It's the same way, and
it's the same way four quarter turns to tying it
back up. I'm looking at these things. I'm looking at
this house, and this house don't vibrate or anything like that,
especially you know, the loose enough light bulbs. So I
set the light bulls down, I run down the ladder

(34:22):
and run through the with which on the light bulbs
come on. And I'm, you know, kind of giggling to
myself a little bit.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, somehow or another, these light bulbs have mysteriously loosened theirselves.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Up all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
So I leave the house right then, and I head
on down the little hardware store to get me too
new sets the lights. I have motion sensors on them,
getting them all hooked up and you know, play with them,
get them, said like I want. And that one particular light,
we can actually see it when it comes on if
we moved the curtains a little bit, laid in bed.

(35:03):
So I'm laying there in bed that night, and I'm
kind of, you know, like a kid in the candy
store at this point because I'm waiting to see that
light come on. And the first night it never did.
And uh, but it did in the second night. And
when the when the light come on the second night,
I started giggling to myself. I said, uh, huh, Well
got y'all. So time goes on and I had another

(35:25):
light set up. Now she was a hospice nurse. Now
and I were both retired law enforcement officers, and uh,
I had set a light up at the front. So
when she pulled in in some of her late evening
out insultations. Lean. You know, she'd have a good light
out here and everything to walk to the back door.

(35:47):
She pulled in one evening come in told me. She says, hey,
that light did not come on. So I look and
walk out of the look at it and the infrared
head the motion to take her head had been pushed
all the way up to where it touched the roof
lying right there of the house. And I'm looking at

(36:09):
that thing, so I reach and I can actually reach
that one. So I reach over there and I get
a hold of it, and I'm trying to pull it down.
I can't move it. That thing has teeth, you know,
to lock that Yeah, it takes you to head d
I had taken take that thing apart to move that
head back where I wanted them reput it back together.
That's actually happened a couple of times where the head

(36:31):
gets pushed straight up and standing flat footed on the ground,
I can reach it. I had to be standing on
the back porch to be able to touch it. And you
don't have anybody else around here that tall to be
able to reach over and touch that thing.

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it's story time. I got to stop you right there
because I've got Willie bumps. I haven't. I've got an
aunt that used to have a house in Missouri, in

(38:56):
northern Missouri, and she knew that I was into bigfoot stuff.
She was cool with it and everything. She was kind
of on the fence on whether they existed or not.
But she calls me up one night and she just

(39:17):
starts rattling off some questions and she's asking about Hey,
have you ever heard any stories about bigfoot slapping the
sides of a house? And I was just like, yeah,
And she goes on and she's just kind of going
through these things. You know, something got in our trash,

(39:41):
you know, we got the burn barrels out back and everything.
Something got in them. But they put the lids back on.
I said, really. And then one time her husband had
killed a skunk I think it was, and had taken it,
you know, back by the brush pile at the back

(40:02):
of the property or whatever. And the next morning, the
skunk had come back and was laying on the porch. Now,
that could have just been a scavenger. But at the time,
she was working as a bartender and she would come
home late at night, and on the back corner of

(40:23):
the house, she had her husband install one of those
motion lights, just like the one you're talking about. And
she came home one night and that light didn't come on,
and she caught her foot on a crack in the
sidewalk and just busted her bottom. And she came in hot,

(40:43):
all mad about it, cussing, you know, her husband, you
need to get out there and replace those light bulbs,
you know, I about broke my neck all that. So
he gets the ladder out the next day and he
goes up there and the motion sensor is pushed and
pointed out up in the air on that motion light
on the back of their house. And this is something

(41:05):
that happened on several different occasions.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
We've actually had it happened twice here of that one
getting pushed up.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
How did the bigfoot at your house in Georgia and
the bigfoot at her house in Missouri both learn how
to do this?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
You know, that's a really good question though. So you know,
these things are extremely extremely intelligent. You know, anyone that
thinks they're a dumb animal, I have to disagree with
them totally. But and we're you know, there's theories and
everything that they can see in the red Spade room

(41:45):
to where they can see and for red. And I
totally believe that I had the unique opportunity of trying
out some new age and when I say new age,
I mean brand new military night vision. And one of
the gentlemen that was on our outing while I was
wearing that at the time, he had a night vision

(42:07):
monocular with him, you know that uses them for red technology.
And when he would look through the woods on that thing.
I could look through this night vision and I could
see that red beam just like a flashlight beat. Yeah,
you know, and when I'm sitting there looking at that,
you know, light bulb turns onto my head if I

(42:27):
can see that through this night vision. If something can
see in that respector on light, you know, it's light shine,
a beacon. And we've had the opportunity in the past,
you know, to catch a couple of these critors with
night vision monoculars. But we also learned that when you
hear that sound, you know, and you throw it up

(42:48):
and you do catch him, as long as you stay
on him, he'll stay still. Right the minute you take
it down off of him, you go right back up
to him and he's gone. And we have never had
one stay there for the second take.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, that's exactly how I had my first sighting. It
was through a night vision rifle scope that we had
kind of rigged out for our purposes, and I was
looking at him dead to rights, thirty yards away through
that scope. Stared at him for what seemed like forever,
but it was probably, you know, thirty seconds or so,

(43:24):
and by the time my mind kind of processed because
you know, like Sheila was saying going through the rolodex
of like, this isn't a bear, this isn't a person,
but it's got a face. What am I looking at?
Even though I was out there looking for bigfoot specifically?
I took it down and looked at my buddy and
I said, is that a face? And I put it

(43:44):
back up and he was gone, yep, yep, And you.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Know, and it's and that's why I truly believe they
can see it. The we have pretty pretty much, you know,
converted over to all thermal technology with our stuff. We
still have night vision stuff you know that we'll pass
around and we'll even u lines it ourselves sometimes and
differ different things, but we primarily went to all thermal technology.

(44:12):
And uh, that's something that's kind of hard to hide from.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah. Yeah, just talking about how smart they are. They've
marked where they can come up to the house before
the motion tike er lights go off. They've marked that.
That's how.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, you know how when you mow your yard and
you we'd eat your yard, you know, whil's in your yard? Yeah,
and we were we have a path that leads from
up here off the ridge where our cabin is down
to a creek, and she look called it the pet
cemetery path I was getting ready to hit. We were
actually both getting ready to head down that path one

(44:48):
one afternoon, and we get back to the path. I
look over and there's these two quarts not quite baseball size,
but pretty good sized quartz rocks. And I know, good
and well I had weeded the day before. Those rocks
weren't there, and I told you a little about it.
And we continue on what we're doing, and we're coming

(45:08):
back up and we're coming up the path. I'm looking
at the location of those rocks, and I'm looking up
at that light and I told her, I said, you know,
I wonder, So we waited a little bit longer, and
as dust come where we knew those lives would come on.
We had walked back down that path and we started
coming back up. Right when I got to those rocks,

(45:29):
the lights come on. So we're both looking at each other,
you know, we're kind of giggling at each other, and
so I picked the rocks up, keeping the same distance apart,
and move them about three foot closer to the house.
So that night we were waiting, you know, for the
lights to coming back on again, and it's like playing
a game on certain things, and doing things like this

(45:54):
right here, to me is just like playing a game.
But that evening, sure enough, it's come on. I said,
uh huh, got y'all again, and it's you know, so
we got a good chuckle about that. But for something
to be smart enough to put something out to mark

(46:14):
the distance that light turns on and off, yeah, that's
won't take some pretty good intelligence.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, yeah, we Now I'm trying to audio. We've got howls.
You know, you can hear the whoops and then the
then the coe you say, kick in. We were sitting
by the fire ring in the front yard one night.
It was I know exactly what Tom was six fifty
and right across the road it started, I mean the
whoop and then the the code is just howling, you know,

(46:44):
cutting loose, and Scott says, well, I'm going inside and
get a gun, and I said, well, I'm sitting right here.
And it went on several times that night that that's
how it happens. Here. We've had they were putting in
our little what do you call that thing and grudge,
Oh you're at far Portal whatever, and uh, there's so funny.
He's two little Hispanic guys. One spoke English, one didn't.

(47:06):
They were putting it out their sweet as they could,
babe it it started, the howland started and one looked
at Scott and what do you ask you?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
The one that didn't speak real good English, he knew
certain English words that we all say whenever we get
to hear one of these things. And we have a little,
uh statue a big foot out at the back door area.
And I looked down and pointed to that statue, and
the one that did speak real good English. Now, when

(47:38):
this thing kicked off, it kicked off, and then another
one on a different ridge kicked off, and they're looking
at me, and he asked me, said, do you mind
if we come back and finish this in the morning.
I told my I didn't mind a bit, he says.
He says, I don't know how y'all do it, because
we don't want to be here in these woods night,
because we don't live close in our town or anything.

(48:00):
We live we live out.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
We live on a dead end dirt road and there's
five houses down this road, but you can't see each
other's houses, so you know, I don't see my neighbors,
they don't see me. And that at the very end.
And we've got a guy that lives down there. It's
been out there for twenty four years, and he's actually
had a big fit sighting on this road. And you

(48:21):
know it's funny because he'll when he starts hearing stuff,
he'll start texting Scott and tell Scott, goes, go stand
on the porch, go stand on the porch. Well, Scott
had went out there one night and he started hearing stuff,
and so he told me, he says, come out here
for a minute. And I got them stand on the
front porch and it's starting down there by the water
behind the house. And I tell everybody it's to me.

(48:44):
It wasn't a howl or it sounded like a war
cause only thing I can tell you it sounded like
it wasn't an animal I'd never heard before. But you know,
when you get that posture like a scared rabbit, you
know you just want to you know, you don't know
what to do. You can't squat down and free. That's
that's the second how I felt. I mean, just the
sound coming off of whatever it was had to be

(49:05):
huge and then about fifteen sixts later on the side
in the woods, on the side of the house, another
one come. So I don't know if they were fixing
to have a battle or knockdown dragon. I don't know
what it was, but it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah here here around our place that it kicks off
two times a year. Real good. We see, we seem
to have a group that stays here all the time,
but during the spring and during the fall, we must
have another group that moves through this area or something.
And because at different times you'll you'll hear two of

(49:42):
them kick off. I mean with that battle cry roar
going on and everything, and man, it sounds like two
titans up on these ridges up here, I mean going
at it. You know, for someone else, they'd probably be
kind of unnerving to hear it.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Oh, our kids are grown, right, so when they come
see us and you know, spend the weekend or whatever,
they don't go outside after dark anymore. I can tell
you that my daughter in law, she was one of
the biggest skiptics. She just thought we were nuts, you know,
for believing in big foot blah blah blah. So one
night she was in there on the bed and the

(50:17):
grandkids were about to push her out of the bed,
so she says she got up and she was gonna
go sleep on the couch. Was she she was sleeping
on the couch. She says, she was in between going
to sleep and wake whatever. She says, I'm telling you,
I heard something walk on the front porch, go to
the front door and jiggle the doorknob. And she said,
I got up and went back to the bedroom and

(50:39):
got in the bed, and then you know, just a
few minutes later, it started tapping under the window. So
we've had you know, other people that have stayed here
before that it's reported the same thing in that bedroom
Windom my daughter has before. I tell you, I really
think they see everything. Like when my grandkids, our grandkids
are here, it seems to me like we might have

(51:00):
a little bit more activity, you know, if it's during
those springtime or fall activity kind of increases. But then
another time, Scott was back and forth in Florida, Florida
for a while, and he'd be gone a week or
two weeks at the time. You know, they know when
you're here at this house. Alon, Yeah, he was gone

(51:20):
and it was about four o'clock one morning. I heard
something of the bedroom window. I've done come to the
thing realization is if they want me, they're gonna kicking
that door and they come to the house. Ain't nothing
can to do about it. But I'm going back here
and going to bed. They can just you know, whatever's
gonna happ's gonna happen anyway. But I heard something which
is not unusual. And next morning I go out and
check out behind the where I heard it, right there

(51:42):
at the bedroom window, and there's a huge track, one
track right there. I mean, I got some awesome pictures
of it, so they they know.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
That's something that's been repeated so many times. It was
one of the first things that, you know, I ever
talked to some of my colleagues about. Whenever I first
got involved in this, there was a researcher friend of
mine that lived down in Texas and her husband was
a long haul truck driver, so he would be gone,

(52:13):
you know, for weeks at a time, and every time
he would leave, the activity would pick up around her house.
They'd come in, slap the house, tap on the windows,
all the stuff you're talking about, and then whenever that
truck would come home, he would park it kind of
down the road because you know Texas roads. He couldn't
get that truck back to the house. But he had

(52:35):
pulled that rig back there and park it and that
would be it. Activity would be gone while he was
in town.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Isn't that crazy? This?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
And there was never any like violence or anything. Then,
you know, they never tried to like get her or anything.
It was just almost like they were respecting the alpha
mel being gone or something. And whenever he returned, they
you know, gave the distance or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's the way I attributed. I mean, I've been on
the back I walked on the back porch before and
looked over to my left and I know exactly what's
of my little flower garden right there, and there was
this court always courts quartz rock right there at the
base of the steps. And I looked at Scott and
I said, did you put that there? And he says nope,
And I said, that wasn't there yesterday. So I see

(53:25):
little stuff like that. I've never except for the time
I've heard those war cries, and I've never felt like,
you know, it's going to kick in the door and
come snatch me, because, like I say, if there's nothing,
I could do with that if they want to do that. Anyway.
Now there are times twice that I know of us
being in the woods. I can't say that, you know,
we've been bluff charged. And then one night we were

(53:47):
at that time, we had a little fifteen foot trailer
camp trailer, I mean you had to go outside and
change mind. And we weren't up there bigfoot hunting. That weekend.
We went up there for a friend's birthday who wanted
to go camping that weekend. So it was just I
think it was like six six of us out there,
and we had been here in all kind of stuff,

(54:08):
I mean, the whooping, and it was crazy that night,
to the point where we put a jar of peanut
butter behind one of the campers on a stunt back there,
and before we went to bed, I said, well, let's
go back there to check say if that's still there.
Well of course it wasn't. It was gone, So we
were you know, I thought that was pretty cool they

(54:29):
could something come up there and got the peanut butter,
and we went to bed and about two thirty that morning,
and Scott's a big guy, so two thirty he coughs,
he calls really hard and when he coughed, something shook
that little trailer and about took it off of the blocks.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
It shoved it that you know when you put your
camper up on these little plastic blocks. Yeah, one by
one squares, Yeah, my camper fleet. We're in the dead
center of these blocks, and I had it jacked really tight.
I mean me physically, I could not have moved that
camper if I'd have wanted to. And the thing that

(55:12):
was real funny about is we're laying there in the
bed at this time, and we have two of them
out in behind our jeeps, I mean right behind our
jeeves over there whooping. We could hear them whooping, and
we were thinking that was pretty cool, you know, and everything.
So we're getting ready to kind of drive off sleep

(55:33):
and evidently we had had one of them slipped up
there to the camper, and when I coughed, it was
I mean it was spontaneous motion. As soon as I coughed,
that camper got shoved. And we come out the next
morning looked at it. Hit it almost shoved it completely
off the blocks. Jeez, to the point where I had

(55:54):
to take the standards up and reposition the blocks and
put it back up and never did find that peanut
butter jar. And we look for that thing, and we
get asked about that sometimes, you know, and we're like
this right here and on the main trails. I mean,
we went off trail looking for the peanut butter jar

(56:17):
lid or anything. And if a bear or something had
got that, yes, he could have told it from one
mountain top to the other if he wanted to. But generally,
you know, animals like that, they're going to get into
it as quick as they can and leave some leave
some kind of trace remnants of it. We didn't, but

(56:38):
we didn't see anything take it, so you can't say
what took it.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
But not with the blood charts.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Oh lord. You know, we get asked the question a lot.
Have you have you all ever been nervous or you know,
scared doing this? And I tell everyone you know, there's
been there's been a few times to where I've been
actually very nervous with this. We were with some friends
of ours and in an area and we were leaving

(57:05):
our main camp. We're hiking up a forest service road
in an area we frequent a lot, and as we're
walking up, all of a sudden, off of a ridge
to the right hand side of us. We had and
back up just saying, we have what's called Mountain Laurel
up here, which is a bush tree top hedge like

(57:29):
and this stuff is tough. I mean they may walking
sticks out of it, and that's the kind of wood
we're talking about, and it's thick. Well, when this starts
coming off the top of this ridge towards just all
of us snap around with our headlamps going up the
ridge and we can actually see this Mountain Laurel parting
as whatever it is that's coming down to us. When

(57:52):
it gets about within ten yards of us, it just stops.
I don't know if it jumped over top of us,
if there was a trail right there that stopped and
went down that trail or what, but it just come
to a complete stop. And by this time, as all
this is happening, and all this is happening really I

(58:13):
mean fast within the seconds and this point in time,
me and She'll are both locked down. You know, we're
we're prepared to be run over. And that's you know,
how you break up, like if you can buy to
get in a car accident, And that's the way we
both were and uh, you know, like a linebacker or

(58:35):
something was about to just allow you over and there
wasn't nothing you could do about it. Top Hill.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Had y'all done anything to provoke that.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
No, not a bit. Just walk down the road at
that point, and after all this happens, our friends said, well,
we need to go on up here to this field
where we're gonna hit to and I'm thinking myself, we
don't need to head on back toward that camp. They're
now come on in to be all right, I said, fellers,
I said, y'all know, we gotta walk back through here.

(59:08):
And uh, they finally taught me in and going on
and going with them, I said, I reluctantly went. And
so we come back in there with No more incidents
happened in that particular ding. And we had one other
occasion when there was several of us camping together, you know,
just just out camping, doing a little scouting and stuff.

(59:29):
We started having tree knocks happening around our camp, I
mean just outside of the light of the camp. And
we had at least three different critters knocking on trees
out around us. And they weren't lightly knocking, I mean
they were hitting semi home runs when they were knocking

(59:49):
on these trees. As we everything started calm down and
we started bedding down with me and Sheila have something well.
But then about eight to ten ords of our tent
and what was unique about the walk And you've seen
Jurassic Park where the water shakes on the yeah, trug

(01:00:12):
with t Rex walks from the concussions. If we'd had
water sitting on a table in our camp, in our tent,
we could have saw that same thing. This that you
could feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
That's that's my most favorite part is when you're in
a tent and you'll be in a dead sleep and
all of a sudden you hear those footsteps and you
just I'm wide awake. Then I'm ready for action. See
what's coming up there, you know. I mean, we were
so excited. One night we were camping and we heard pots
and pans and stuff flying everywhere, and I just shot

(01:00:44):
out of that bed and zipped. I'm like, I'm fishing
to catch you right here in the act. And it
was a little bear on top of the table.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I sculled the man with that little bear. He took
all the good stuff that night.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
All the tunt food we let out to let out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
But uh, you know, we we've had a lot of
fun with this. We've been very very fortunate, had a
lot of good success.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
This is our fourth year, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yes, we're going to We're in our fourth season now.
We've been blessed to the point to give. We made
a whole lot of good folks doing this, made a
whole lot of good friends across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
We've turned skeptics into believers Ours or no wars.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, and you know, we've afforded a lot of people
the opportunity to have their own interactions and on experiences,
and that's what we set out to do when we
started this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
You mentioned earlier somebody on I believe it was your
first outings on ORB. That's you know, that's something that
gets brought up time and time again the more people
I talked to. Have you guys seen orbs out in
the woods?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yes, on multiple occasions, probably my best one. We and
I don't mind telling you where we're at. For that
particular one, we were in Helen, Georgia and on a
food plot and we got I got to watch myself

(01:02:19):
and three other guys. Sheila was with us, but she
was in an area where she couldn't see this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It was behind me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah, it was in behind her. We got to watch
a nerp sized football size or travel about seventy five
yards of the side of a food plot charwtroos in color,
and it turned and went into the woodline in behind
a burn. We all watched this, you know, in amazement,

(01:02:49):
and we were thinking about walking in behind the burn
and look. And then we decided what said, Well, we
never saw it from out of the other side or anything.
Let's leave that to daylight. We'll come back in the
morning and see if there's anything about it. We come
back next morning and all of the foliage in behind

(01:03:09):
that burm was mashed flat to the ground in a
big area. And when I said, I mean an area
about about seven foot by four foot area just crushed down.
And what it was we have no idea, but that
short trups colored orbit that come floating up that food

(01:03:32):
plot was pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Do you think there's any sort of connection between them
and Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
When we first started this, we said all we were
going to concentrate on was just Bigfoot. You know, there's
just so many branches, and we used to think Bigfoot's
flesh and blood and that's it. Well, there's some things
I can't explain that don't make no sins and everybody knows.
I say this, like, where's the rest of the tracks?
I mean, I fall the tracks in the snow. We've

(01:04:00):
seen tracks here and they're like one or two tracks.
Where's the rest of the tracks?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yes, and when you're like when you're in snow and
everything in your farm or track line and you followed
this trade for a good little lads and that all
of a sudden it just ends. But the timber and
everything that you're around, I shouldn't even say timber. The
trees that you're around are not big enough to spoil
anything of any major weight. The tracks just disappear. That's

(01:04:30):
one of those questions you know, that I would love
to have the answers to. They're one hundred percent no,
the answer to yeah, I think there's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
A lot of word. There's a lot of you know,
we thought we would have answers to questions, and what
we've got now is just more questions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
That That is one funny thing about this whole thing.
If you think you could about about the time you
think you get something figured out, uh, it'll just cause
you to have more questions quite sin and you know,
for us, and we're both the same on these on
these tide of things. For us, you know, to say

(01:05:07):
this is something or you know, no doubt about this,
We're sure about what we're saying. I get these girls
mam with me all the time. They come to me.
One particular day woke me up. I was taking a
nap in a hammock and they were all excited, come
up here and show me this picture of this track

(01:05:30):
and the one they showed it to me. I'm like,
where in the world did y'all find this, because it's
probably one of the best looking tracks I've ever seen.
And they start telling me and they carry me over
to it, and we get up there and I get
to study and on this track real hard, and I
finally shave my head and they say what I said, Well,
I hate tell you all this, but that's not a

(01:05:52):
track and this thing was casting quality. Well you know
what I'm trying to describe to you, And they said,
what do you mean, this's doll tract. I had a
bunch of women there wanting to whip me in the
middle of the field, and I finally explained myself and
it was pig rooting just what it boiled down to be.

(01:06:12):
And I showed them and explained to them, you know,
why I was seeing what I see and how I
was coming to this, And once I did that, they
saw it theirselves and understood. But then little pigs that
rooted out the best looking track and everyone, I mean,
they really did. And if you just came across that,

(01:06:33):
you know, and not studied on it, man, you'd be
ready to break out in the plaster. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, he's so. You know, we do our best to
try to debunk everything we do, and sometimes we can
a lot of times we can, you know, but sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Sometimes you can't, and it doesn't and it doesn't make reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Well to me, that's the most exciting part is that
there is stuff you can't do bunk.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
That it really is, you know this, And like I
told you before, you know, I was the biggest skeptic
in the world. You know. I was that guy that
had hunting and fished in the rivers and river bottom
and swamps all my life. And once we got to
do in this and started seeing some things and have
things happen, I would reflect back on things that I

(01:07:24):
had heard or seen, you know, during those times, and
it dawned on me. I was like, you know, I've
lived around this all my life and just now realized it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I kind of wanted to touch on that, since you know,
by your own admission, you were one of those guys
which I've talked to, you know, hundreds of those guys.
What do you think was causing you not to notice
these things beforehand?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Well, on some of the things I noticed, you know,
and I would hear things I didn't know what they were.
I just didn't believe in, you know, uh, I think
called Bigfoot and some of the strange things I would
see in the woods, you know, like trees snapped off
for no apparent reason, nothing had felled or anything like that,
and some structures being built different things like that, and swamps.

(01:08:20):
I just I just never put a lot of stock
into even thinking about it, you know, But I am
quick to tell anyone, you know, for anyone else you
know that was that guy like me, you know, that
had has hunting fish and everything, done everything in the woods.
If they truly have like they say they have, they've

(01:08:40):
seen things and they've heard things that they cannot explain.
And you know, and I'm talking about the guys that
get off in the woods. You know, pretty good, pretty
good depth out there in the woods. Not drive right
up to your deer standing to crawl out of ea
trub right onto a louder on your deer stand you
up here. That's not that's not long joy. I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I grew up going to the lake all the time.
We had a lake house, so I spent my time
fishing and running around in the woods, you know, with
a machete and a bb gun. And it's kind of
like if let's say you're, you know, doing some bank
fishing or whatever. We have lakes here that most people fishing,

(01:09:22):
and you hear something splash in the water. You don't
have to see it. You're just like, oh, well, that
must have been a fish. That must have been a beaver,
you know something. You just write it off because that's
what it must have been. And I try to explain
to people, I think that's what the case is a
lot of times, like you're saying, Bigfoot's not on your

(01:09:43):
brain as far as you're concerned, they don't exist. So
whenever you do run across those things that you can't
readily identify, instantly or whatever, whether it be a sound
or you know, the broken tree or a weird track
or whatever, you just don't even th think about it.
You just kind of write it off. Oh, well, that
must have been a deer, that must have been a

(01:10:04):
hog or something like that, and that's why they think that. Yeah,
I've never seen it, and if it was out here,
I would have seen it. Well, like you're saying, you probably.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Have looking back, you know, like I said, reflecting back, Yeah,
I had seen strange things and witnessed things and heard
things and never put that two and two together until
we started doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah, And it's amazing because when we take people out
and they hear some of those things, you know, like
the tongue click and we were talking about that, they
hear some of that, you know, they have no idea
and no clue to listen. What's listen for? And like
I said, we've taken the biggest skiptics out and then

(01:10:53):
have those skiptics next night moved their tent pretty much
on top of us because they weren't sleeping on the
edge no more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Oh yeah. We had a couple that come to one
of our expeditions and super nice folks and they're great
friends of ours today. But when they first got there,
they wanted to camp you know, out way out to
the side, you know, by theirselves and everything. And I
tried to encourage them to get a little closer up
around the campfire area with the rest of the tents

(01:11:23):
and stuff, but they wanted to be over that way.
So I, you know, figured they wanted their private times
and all, and said, okay, well that particular evening we're
out on the trails and everything, and had a fantastic outing.
Both of both of those individuals got to see a
creator on thermal vision that night, and they got to

(01:11:48):
watch them do a few different things, and they were
both you know, in amazement and I'm ecstatic is more
of the word. When we're harping back out, you know,
we're wearing red head lamps. And for people that see
those shows and everything, the red head lamp is for us.
It's not for you know, because everything in the woods

(01:12:10):
can still see it red. This happens to be one
of those colors. When we turn our head lamps off,
we can still see we still have our own night vision.
If you're using a white light and you turn a
white light off your night blind for a moment, and
that's that's the reason for the red or agreen headlamps.
But as we're coming back out, we have eye shine

(01:12:31):
up ahead of us, and this with red head lamps on.
That eye shine is red. And the guy that was
standing right beside me, he pointed that out. Tell me
and I said, well, turn your headlamps off. I said,
there might be some moisture up on them leaves. You know,
this reflect reflecting this red light. So we turn our
head lamps off, and we're watching and we still have

(01:12:53):
eye shine. So I reach them a pocket and get
out a big white light, throw a big white light
up on it. And sure enough there's one standing down
there at the edge of the trail, and when that
white light gets on him, he takes off running. When
he takes off running, a rock comes flying right in
front of me in this other individual and hits in

(01:13:14):
the embankment right beside us. The guy standing behind us,
he walks up and piece the rock up. He says,
there's that rock that flo in front of you all.
I seen it in my head land whenever it had
come across. Yeah, little things out there right there. And
when the couple gets back to their tent that night.
Now they've already got to witness these things, so they're

(01:13:36):
laying there in the tent. You know, you can just
imagine how that are feeling. Yeah, well, they they have
something walk up to the edge of their tent and
let out that big egxhale puff. And the way they
described was, you know, this old this fella, he's about
six foot four or so, and whatever did this to them,

(01:13:59):
they said had to be twice his size to have
that kind of lung capacity. So that uneased them a
little bit. And then a little bit later they had
one scream on the ridge right above their tent. They
left the tent, they walked back up to the fire
pit area, and they stoked the fire at the fire
pit area for the rest of the night. And I

(01:14:23):
told her, I said, why didn't y'all wake me up,
you know, let me know? And uh, they said, well,
we really didn't want to bother anybody. And I'm laughing.
I said, you know, that's what I'm here for. Needless say,
that next morning, we moved their tent for them up
around where the tents and everything were. And she had

(01:14:44):
looked at me and she says they'll never come back.
He said, she said, after all that around there, We
seen them last night and they had all that happen,
they'll never come back. Well, they've been back on several.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Has been anybody that's not come back pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Much, we've had one hundred percent return.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I mean, we just we try to make the atmosphere
like you know, of course you're with like minded people,
so you don't feel like you can't ask questions or
talk about it, you know, and people are gonna look
at you like you're crazy or whatever. Everybody sits around
the campfire and introduces yourself and talks about anything they
want to, you know, big fit related or whatever. We
eat good. I promise you that, and that's that's one

(01:15:27):
of the biggest things. And we just have we have
a good time. You know, we go out and doing
our thing at night, and people get excited even if
somebody else hears something or see something or something we
can't explain or I mean, like I think it was
this third expedition, we dine and you had to catch
oh yeah, catch one. Because Scott always tells him, he says,

(01:15:48):
you know, whatever happens, don't run because once you run
you know, you become prey. But then again, if if
you see me or Sheila, run try to stay caught up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah. I actually had to physically catch one individual. He
that was a really unique night within all within it selling.
So we went to the top of edge of a
mountain and I had the group up there and I
had one individual that he was coming all the time,

(01:16:22):
mainly because of his wife. She was draggoning to these
things and she was a believer. He was a big
skeptery like I was in the beginning, but he had
got him a nice little thermal vision and he talked
to me, he said, Scott, and I said yeah. He says,
I'm seeing something over here, and I actually had already
saw it through mine, so I knew what he was seeing.

(01:16:43):
I said, well, explain to me what you're seeing. So
he goes to running it down explaining it to him.
He says, well, Scott, both of us hands on this
tree kind of like wrapped around him, and he says,
and it's looking out one side towards us. Over here,
he says, and this thing shoulders are sticking out both
sides of the tree. I said, you just answer one
of your own questions right now. He says, what's that?

(01:17:04):
I says, a bear don't have shoulders like that. I said,
a bear when it's standing up his shoulder drawn like
a forty five. The grand was slammed. So he's all
excited about that point, and I said, Ben's how you
see that one? Look to the left and look down,
and he did. There was another one there peeking over
another at us, and so he's having a big time

(01:17:27):
of that, and I'm super excited for him that he's
got to see this. And his wife wasn't there to
see that, and we told him later on that, you know,
he would be in a lot of trouble being said.
He didn't believe she did, and he got to see
it first. Oh yeah, Well, I had another individual there.
He away from them just a little bit. But he's

(01:17:48):
standing over by a game trail that I had been
to the top of this mountain the day before we
had anybody up there, and that game trail was about
a foot and a half wide. Foliage on the east
side of the game trails about two and a half
maybe three foot tall at the most, and I mean
very nice game trap. Well, of the individuals he's standing

(01:18:11):
over there, and all of a sudden, I'm fifteen yards
away from him, I hear a pop, and I mean
a loud off from that distance. I heard it. Well,
he stumbled around and took off running and I had
to catch him. I actually thought he was a snake
a bit. I mean it was that type of loud pop.

(01:18:34):
So we pulled his bridge's leg out real quick. Look.
I looked with a big head lamp over towards where
you're standing at. I don't see nothing crawling off or
we don't see no puncture wounds. So I feel better
about this. But I'm thinking myself, well, maybe he stepped over,
stepped on a limb or something that doesn't hit him
on the leg. So we got over and look, there's
no sticks around there, there's no rocks or anything. Nothing

(01:18:57):
has been thrown. And I look at this game trail.
This game trailer that was a foot and a half
wide the day before is now another foot and a
half on each side of it wider, and all the
vegetation has crushed down as far as I can look
off that ridge. And I'm looking off this ridge now
with a fourteen thousand looming headlamps, and at that point

(01:19:22):
right there. I'm thinking myself, I've got in my mind
what has happened? For what's going on? So I kind
of ease everybody off the mountaintop. Well, we're coming up
the mountain that night. We were running the smells, I
mean horrific smells, and you'd walk into it. It's like
walking into a wall, and then you'd walk right out

(01:19:44):
of it like you do another walk, just completely walking
out of no lingering or nothing use either in it
or not. We had that particular smell in four different
places on that trail, and after we smelled it the
second time, I got them in the areas wherever we
were smelling this trap before, we're having a smell. Coming

(01:20:05):
back down, we're running the same smells again, but they
were in different locations and it was I mean it
was future. It was terrible bad. And we get back
down to our sitting group and where everybody's explaining this
smell that they've smelled and got to encounter oil Scott here.
I had to make about three more trips to the

(01:20:27):
top of that mountain that night, just where everybody smelled
the smell, which we're still there. Needless say, I slept
well that night.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah, Well, I mean we've had some I can't I
can't even think of all the crazy things we had happened.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
There ain't enough time to night to try to explain
all that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm gonna have to have
you guys back for a part too, at some point
we got some talking to do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Now ours right, if you ever heard georgeous a way,
we love to have you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
So let's say somebody wants to go with you guys
on one of these trips. I mean, what's the process.
What are they got to do? Where can they find you?
What are they going to have to bring?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Well, we we're on Facebook and TikTok squatch Fish and
outfitters on both we put out a lot of information
on both. TikTok is a big thing. We put out
a little bit more information as for videos and things
like that on there. We set our we put our
schedules out on there. We have so many scheduled outings

(01:21:34):
each year. We try to do it at least one,
maybe more, just depending combo schedule. Combo outings where we
do big footing and fly fishing. People don't have fly
fish if but the ones that do want to they
get opportunity to do that during the day. Some we

(01:21:58):
that's pretty much all advertise we really do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah, I mean, we do podcasts. We just i mean
just recently started speaking at conferences. I'm not too good
at speaking in front of crowd as I usually need
somebody to interpret for me. But yeah, we just started that.
It's it's crazy how it's picked up. I mean, like

(01:22:22):
we're are November October. November one is booked up. We
have the private one in November. I think we have
a few openings in July.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
So yeah, I try to keep everything marked down. But
it's just been.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
And we we were putting on several outings each year
and we're backed off of the schedule outing as many
scheduled outings and started doing something a little different this year.
We started doing where we do private outings. We do
private outings for people of you know, eight eight persons

(01:22:56):
or more, up to up to a certain amount of people,
but minimum of eight. The in the beginning of the schedule.
Just get in touch with us via Facebook, TikTok. Our
email is squatch Fishing at yahoo dot com. People can

(01:23:19):
text us on our Facebook pages, our cards with our
numbers on it. They've text us call us either one
and to get in from more information, I have flyers
I can send out that has a lot of information
on our outings. Other than that, I can't think of

(01:23:39):
a whole lot more about that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yeah, well, guys, I appreciate you coming on here and
sharing some of your stories with me. And like I said,
I definitely want to have you back anytime, really, anytime
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
All right, Well, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
We'd love to love to you. Thank you very much
for having us and everything. And you know, we don't
want to seem like we're you know, numb to the
things that go all around us or anything like that.
It's you know, it's just the fact that we actually
do have so much stuff do that does happen around
us and everything. It's becoming like a normal to us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
And a lot of people, you know, they're do this
on the weekends. They might get a chance to go
to it once a month or something. We're in the
woods doing this while we do anywhere from three to
five days a week on average, and you know, and
like I said, it's full time thing for us now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
And if you'd like to share your story, of grown
encounter with Bigfoot or something else you can't explain. Email
me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out
the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find links
to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need, all
in one place, and until next time, remember there's something
in the world.

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