May 30, 2025 • 41 mins
There's something in the woods of Tennessee. Wesley joins me to talk about some of his and his family's experiences with bigfoot, and a possible dogman encounter that left him rattled.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was small mouth bass fishing right about in daylight
down on the Duck River below with the Callfire's bridge.
It was quiet. There wasn't no crickets, no birds chirping.
Everything about me was telling me to leave. You know.
I staid there for thirty four or five minutes, take turch,
I said, third braid, until the birds started chirping and
the bugs and I eased on out of there. I
(00:22):
think it was behind me. I felt that in my chest.
Whatever that was at crowd, it was twice. It was
real short. It's mean. I had never heard a sound
like that before. I don't know what no fart that was.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'll get us kicked off here. You've had some experience
with uh boogers as we call them in the South,
you know you're up there in Tennessee. Tell me what
your personal experiences were. How you learned about these things
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, my mother sent us up here to doo with
our day back late eighty nineties, and just sending my
brother and I got here, my daddy started expand on
his barn stuff like that. He was into with the
call spotted saddle horse, and we started breaking you know,
saddle horses and walking orangers to trail ride for the
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public and around the lake here Tva some of the
best trail riding in the country, and we always done
it in the follow the winter. And uh, I would notice.
I noticed one time back here on the real steep hillside,
the tree top was held fifty seventy five yards of
(02:03):
Bubba the tree. You know. That was the first thing
I noticed. Something had to drug at that tree top.
It was the whole tree top was way up hill
from the tree and I just kind of noticed that.
And I remember my brother telling about something messing with
them out back behind Grandma's house, you know, on the
(02:24):
same farm. Then nothing really until between twenty fifteen, late
August twenty fifteen, I was small mouth bass fishing right
about in daylight down on the Duck River, I belove
what they call fires Bridge, and uh, it was quiet.
There wasn't no crickets, no birds chirping, and everything about
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me was telling me to leave that right there. That
that affected me pretty good. I don't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I never saw it, but you definitely had that feeling
that something was right.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I'm here to tell you. There wasn't nothing making no
noise except a policed woodpecker right straight across the river
from me. And uh, that first growl, that's what I
thought it was, that woodpecker, you know, take it on
that tree. But the second time I heard it, I
looked up there. He was headed toward the bridge, the
bird was and I spun around there, and I've got
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bad here, and I only hear good out of one ear.
The direction of the sound is lost on me. I
can hear it sometimes, but I don't know what direction. Yeah,
and if you know, I stuck there for thirty four
or five minutes, tell you truth. I sat there and
pray until the birds started chirping and the bugs, you know,
(03:44):
the cricket and stuff now eased on out of there.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know what the heck that was, but it
was across the river from you.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I think it was behind me. I think it was
on the same side of the river as me. The
woodpecker was across the he was at a tree across
the but he was right about the middle of the
river on a limb, and he was, you know, he
took off a flying and then I felt that in
my chest. Whatever that was at crowd it was twice.
(04:12):
It was real short. It's mean I had never heard
a sound like that before. I don't know what enough
fart that was. As far as sightings, I've seen movement
out of corner my eyes and stuff, and it had
to have been something bigger than a deer. But on
my place it was the year after I had that
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done there at the fires Bridge, the year after, across
the road from my house, not fifty yards from my
front door. I come bouncing out of the garage door
one morning about four to six, and I just happened
to look. It was real windy, early April. The wall
was a blowing hell. Across the road over Richter Watson's
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his little horse law there all up, and there was
one walking across that day, Gun, that little cow lodger.
He was setting a half eight foot tall. I saw
him clear as day, Matt, But I've never saw ones
like facial features. Yeah, that one there, he had real
long string of hair. He looked like he had you know,
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if he went a little hand on his gilly suit,
That's what it looked like. And his leeve's hanging off
the like. He just laid down the leaves and rode around.
As soon as he saw me. He stopped and he
knelt down. He got lot down on one knee, and uh,
the way I got gootbops down. Thinking about it, I
don't know if you're full with horses much, but you
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know how a fly will get on a horse, a
horse fly bottom or something. The way they'll move their
their skin. Yeah, they'll kind of shiver. Yeah, that's the
only thing I can use to think up through the
closest thing I ain't think I've ever saw to describe
what he was to do. And I kind of chalked
it up to I must have shocked him a little bit,
and he stopped and dropped down there on the one
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knee and and done that shaken after he realized that
the wind was a blow. It's so hard. Yeah, have
you ever heard anything like that?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, no, no, I've never heard about that shiver that
you're talking about. I mean, the whole thing kind of
makes sense as far as the setup is concerned, because
the wind was blown, so he probably couldn't wind you
real good and just didn't know you were there, and
you just caught him off guard. But I know, I've
never heard that shiver.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think that that was something he'd done regularly. Yeah,
or something, or you know, it was something because I've
heard that gate over there. I've heard the chain rattle
on that gate a couple of times. And my neighbor
laid that door. She lived alone. She called me one
time and said she was letting her dog out and
(06:51):
heard that chain on that gate. And I had been
hearing it for, you know, off and old for a
little while.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now, was it walking away from the property or towards
the property?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He was walking away the kind of diagonal across that
lot my house. My lot was square with mister Watson.
He had probably twenty five acres across the road and
he lived. His house was to the left, and he
was right there across the road from my house in
a lot. And I'd heard some wild sounds, like coyodies
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that kind of bleeds it into an owl. Yeah, pretty
much know it was something that's sounding like them, and
then they just so quiet. I talked to Tim about
what happened to him down the river. I asked him
where he thought that. Well, I don't know. I'm like, well,
I kind of thought it was a dog man.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
How long had you been fishing before you heard the ground?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It wasn't long, man, It wasn't long at all because
it wasn't daylight yet, and I got there probably five thirty.
It was just getting daylight, you know. And I left
out of there. I don't it didn't seem like I
was there that long. Yeah, but it was probably seven
(08:12):
quarter seven something like that brounseoure o'clock when I finally
got out of there. I never saw anything right except
that was the only thing I heard other than that woodchucker.
I didn't even walk back up to the path. I'm
along the edge of the river, got my feet wet
and everything.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Now were you just bank fishing standing in one spot
or are you walking the bank or what were you doing?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was just standing in one spot. There was a
rock out crop ter above the river.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, the river was down like sign. Typically whenever I
hear about stories like that, usually bigfoot will like start
throwing stuff like in the water and towards you or whatever,
trying to just get you to move out of the area.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Uh huh, Yeah, I've had that assor.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Going to the street growl like that. I mean, I
don't know that that might have been a dog man,
that might have not been a bigfoot at all.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
The feeling that was right. There was it's duck, you're done,
it's over with. That was a feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah uh, And they wasn't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They wasn't much shaking that feeling. I wouldn't wish it
on nobody to feel that fear, but I kind of
believe now that I won't never have to worry about
that again. Feeling that fear. For some reason, I get
that feeling of kind of an air rowing type because
that was right that rf there was somebody gonna find
my belt buckle in a pile somewhere. Like I said,
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I never saw anything. Now, if something was thrown, I
didn't sing. Anything hit the water. Yeah, I didn't hear anything.
I kind of believe something throwing a rock in the
water would be louder than throwing it at me, you know,
on the ground won't hit the ground. If they threw
something and it hit the ground, it it had to
be pretty close to me, or something pretty substantial size
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and make, you know, quite a bit of noise for
me to hear. And I'm hard to hearing pretty bad.
You know, I've gotten where I can't stand to ask
somebody to repeat themselves, but I'll standing there twenty second,
try to figure out what they say.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, I think with you fishing and everything, you
would have noticed or something hit the water, you would
have noticed the splash or something.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, Ever since that first one, I quit looking
for them now there. At one time it was my
new job figure out what the heck you know of
was messing with me like that. And actually across the
road from my brother in laws place, uh oh man,
that place after they've got them, afterlight, I recognize the
day a neighborhood of Bigfoot. I cared a lot of
(10:47):
his soide fields and and flat woodland. Don't talk about
it much because I don't have to access that picture anymore.
But looked like a young a young one, and he
was just like he just got set up. He looked
like he was sitting there like I would turkey hunting,
Like he was sitting there watching or trying to hide,
(11:10):
like up against a tree or you know, in a
wind row, a fresh wet wind row what we call,
you know, when they've come through there with the dozer
and they're clear out of the spot, and he was
sitting there. He kind of looked like he was setting up.
You know, if you put a motorcycle up under him.
That's what he looked like. Huh, yeah, he had both
his hands up a little bit. And uh. I went
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back through there letter that day and uh, he was
kind of memriky what he was sitting in front of.
I went back by three or four hours later. If
he was there, he changed positions and moved and I
didn't see. And there's clear, it was clear as day
and them thing. You know, they got some kind of
intelligence about him, Dan though. I mean it's thought. Uh
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they say, you know, it were like their TV. They're
entertained themselves with others, you know. Yeah that that or
my brother in law he was used to text me
I once a month and say, man, you're hear this
going on out here? They get up and go outside
and smoke cigarette. Uh what late at night or they
(12:16):
were in the morning. And uh, he won't talk about
it too much. I'd ask him about it later and
he wouldn't say much. I think a lot of people
were worried about, you know, being made fun of or joke.
I don't care. I don't care if people believe me
or not or what they say. I know what I
saw and I know what I heard.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Now is he the one that you said had a
photograph of something that looked like jeepers creepers?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Now, that was my neighbor lives back here on the
large part of my grandmother's fun that thing. I'm not
into scare boovies and stuff, and I had to look
it up on there and that was my sister in
law told me that for the rook Like I was
standing there next to her when he's sitting in that picture,
and uh, I was, you know, I just kind of
(13:08):
uh benched and moved with fingers after and zoomed in
on it and uh and showed it to her through
Helen keepers Creepers and uh, I'm like what And she
told me about the movie and uh, but it's good
a lot like it and Justin told me that it
looked like there was adult there was a dog sitting
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below and he was sitting like Indian style, almost like
in the true It was up on the truck of
the tree a big widow and at the bottom of
the tree there was a dog or something there, but
I couldn't see it was uh, you know, he was
kind of camouflaged by the poltige you know, down load
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that thing in the tree.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Look he had like an overcoat on kind of That
was the picture that was sent to me, Matt, you know,
and the fellow that sent it to me, he's not
you know, he's not real uh cedified or sophisticated enough
to be able to photoshop something like that, it don't
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And he just saw this thing sitting up in a tree, yes, sir, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And the girl that used to stay back there wedding
had asked me about the you know, extremely large spiders,
and well, I kind of think it was a big
of it that was on all fours and that's just
the closest thing they can come to, you know, to
what it looked like, because that's the same area, that's
the same place. Like as coach talking about earlier, my
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brother had talked about something messing with them while they
was camping. Oh, I was telling a friend of mine's
daughter or a friend of mine and his daughter overheard
it about that what happened to me down at the
Pirates Bridge and said they was down there, were not
in their jeeves playing down there in that mud. They
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was all standing around talking and something throw the big
old big chunk on the flood of tree trunk in
the middle of them. It's like it fell right out
of sky.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Down at that same location.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, right across the river from there, the same area
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Is it a place where a lot of people go to,
you know, ride their jeeps and stuff through the mud.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Us too. They put the uh, they put a guard
rail up across the road there that can't that comes
in there. And uh on the side that I was
fishing on home if it's no roadbed, and they built
a new bridge there, I think that's what it is.
And uh, but they put a gate up on that side,
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and uh, I guess people moved their other side. It
used to be fun to go down there and you know,
with a fool would drive, but they stopped that. Our
population has grown quite a bit here in By County
in the last several years, and there's a lot more
people here, which makes more people want to recreate diaks
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and stuff like that has become real, real popular, and
there's more people river. But back then when that happened
to me, there weren't all that. There wasn't new as
many people on those rigor that that river right that
stretch of the river rut there really isn't all but accessible.
(16:32):
My bills did a kayak down there, but then it's
not easy like what people want.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I was just curious because there's a a place here
in Oklahoma that I used to go to all the
time when I was younger. But it's a popular off
road and four wheeling spot, and I've heard stories about
things getting thrown at them, you know, at night time
whenever they're out there and they're jeeps and stuff and
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their rock crawlers.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah. I used to do it for a living, doing
the we control and UH liquid fertilizer uh on residential
turf there, you know, fifteen miles and you know, a
day but nothing. But my brother, he couldn't walk all
that mud. We left, you know, our four daylight one
morning turkey hunting on Wm A and we're sitting there.
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We got there own. We got there a little earlier
than what but I thought we would move. Sitting there
finishing a biscuit and a red bull, I heard a
pine cone or something of bounced into our setup. And
about the second one, my brother doesn't put his hearing
eight on and turned it on and he heard it
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about saying, I guess and he here, Yeah, I didn't
hear it. Long story short, come daylight. There's a pile
with pine cones. I don't know, three quarters of a dozen.
They ate nine fine combs, piled up like you placed
them there almost between us. We was all three four
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foot apart.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like something had just like snuck up and set them there.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Don't They bounced in.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Huh, all in the same spot, Yes, sir, I mean
that don't happen. That ain't falling from a tree or
you know, a squirrel dropping him.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
No, sir, that's my brother. He's always kind of made
fun of me, oh about that stuff. But they wasn't
on denying that he know, drn Wall I didn't get
up and go getter them up and lay them there
because we were sitting there running their mouth. But he
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heard when he turned his hair and note on, I
guess he heard he heard them coming. He said he
heard most of them or coming in. But when he
asked me if I heard it, no, I ain't hear it.
But it was wondering what it was. But it was
fish black dark. He was in kind of uh kind
of a pine not a tying ticket, but mature pine trees. Yeah,
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and there actually on the edge of the wm A there.
We had to walk in there three quarters of a
mile maybe, And I've been you know, I used to
do the week control and fertilizers and during the spring
that's the busy season because you've got to get and
go to work and can't go turkey hunting during turkey season.
You know, that's forty five days there, and it seems
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like another full time job by the end of the season.
But uh, windy days was the only time I could
go hunting because it was real windy or for his.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Reigning, not real great days to go hunting.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No so, and the windy days had it happened most
but I could hear. They had to be real close
to me, Matt, because I wouldn't be able to hear another
set of feet shuffler through the leaves. I mean them,
dry them, dry oak leaves. You ain't gonna be quiet
out right. I was wondering, that's somebody trying to get
in between me and I can have But I guess
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I got a little bit inflated there about about my
my ability to kill turkeys. And we'll see somebody who
could kind of get in between me and the turkey.
Almost you know much about turkey, but around here public
plan is uh, it's a little bit of pressure on
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public land. Yeah, and it's hard to you know if
people call, you know, call say call shy and stuff
like that. That's before I realized they wasn't no such
thing as call shy. They just but uh, I learned
to run the harder types of turkey calls to run
like the trumpet and uh like a a pill bottle
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cube call. They're uh, you know, it takes a little
bit of skill or practice to run them. No, I
got pretty good at killing turkeys and on public land.
And we'll get on you know, lining and brag about it.
I guess, ego, I guess, but uh, I was stung
something with somebody was trying to get between me and
my turkey. Track to killing the turkey. It's the only
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thing I could attribute to another pair of feet walking
around in the woods. The man's vine at tatting all
kind of stuff. It'll lie to himself if he if
he allows it, come to find out, you know, figure
out that that uh boogers you know, following me. I
was stopping. That's when I kind of figured it wasn't
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a man because I don't think a man would walk
backwards a half a step off be right in time
with me. But it it just didn't sound you know,
it was more than one the time, and their timing
will be off.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, and they would follow you into your spot or
follow you out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They was phoning me out of that area. And I've
been run out of an area too. Of Max Whissee's
family had some property over by the industrial park, and
I would I'd back my truck and go. There was
ag fields up there in between those industrial buildings and
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I'd back up for the combine up pulled into the field.
I backed my truck up running there and the walk
across had that field. To get to that in the
property over that they wouldn't know. They had to park
out there to the highway and walk through good ways
to get back there. Back to the woods. They run
me out of there a couple of times. There was
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a certain tree, there was a great big sycamore back
there before daylight. They did not. It was like hitting
the wall right there. That's the only thing I could
describe it as I could not without causing myself some trouble.
I really felt like I didn't need to go past
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that tree. But after day got daylight, I went back
over with my with a friend of mine. He was
such a good friend. I took him over with me
and we walked back here, and did you know, it
was fine after daylight, and I could kind of figure
out that they didn't want me back there before daylight.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I went back here after daylight, and you know, had
been pretty successful, you know, kurky hunting. But I knew,
I knew they was there. I saw footprints, and I
sent Tim a picture of what looked like a cow track,
but you could see I remember him describing, you know,
they would walk on our knuckles or whatever. Do you
(23:43):
remember that you old.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Tell that one? Yeah, yeah, Bear discovered that down in Louisiana,
I think where it looked like they were punching into
the ground. And uh, it just looked like cow tracks
to most people. But if you got up on the track,
you could see the knuckle impressions yeah, and the thumb yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And that's so I thought to save the gun. And
it wasn't long after they they described that how that
track looked, and I'm standing there over this track and
I'm looking at exactly what they described and we'll shoot.
I was hoped because that's why I started going over
there could be hoping they wouldn't go over there in
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that area. It didn't stop me from hunting, but it
certainly changed my the way I went about it. You know,
there wasn't no more leaving the truck without no flash
flight at three, three, four or five in the morning,
with nothing more than a sell full screen as lot. Uh,
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there wasn't no more of that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
There wasn't a whole lot more going by myself because
I kind of knew how to keep not necessarily myself safe,
but uh from being further traumatized.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But yeah, they ain't no joke that's true about you know,
being masters of intimidation. Even if you you know, kind
of know that they're not gonna hurt you or whatever.
They can they can come to you to hurt yourself
or or they can dang sure affect the man mentally.
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That dog I was talking about, he was supposed to
be a foster. I didn't want want nothing to do
with him. But about three days after he was there
at the house, he jumped up in the truck one
morning and wouldn't get out, and I drag drug him
out of there, and he kept getting back in the
truck before I could get the door closed, and I like, well, dog,
you're going made today and let you That dog was
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in the truck with me every day after that, and
he was a very good dog. Nothing scared y that.
He was reprotective of me. He was a one person
dog and he didn't want much to do with anybody else.
But he was my ears. I wouldn't go in the
woods without him, and I kind of got let myself
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get fault to that. I thank hell, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go go to the woods somewhere or something other
than now, where's my dog? I ain't got my dog?
So I wouldn't go. I still don't. I don't go
by myself hardly. So, like I said, I had that
doll girl for several years, and uh, any, I believe
(26:27):
just about any dog what would be able if you
pay attention to him, we'll be able to lets you
know when something's up.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing. You got to pay
attention to him, and you gotta trust their instincts. And
if the dog says it's time to go, then it's
probably time to go.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, Yeah, and he Cooper. He didn't play around. He
buzzing collar, vibraaking that collar. He just keep all. He
wouldn't turn around, and uh, you know that's when I
just fall under the truck. He'd been the truck waked,
don't you. You could holler a truck at him and
he would That's where he go. I don't know, it's
hard to explain that durned dog, but uh, you missed
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something like that. They wouldn't no better woods companion, Like
I said, you know the horses, will you know? Thinking
about uh, when was breaking them coats out here, even
the dago green broke coat, you know, come think of it.
Sometimes they wouldn't cross the creek down here by Grandma.
Sometimes they just when he you know, just walked right
(27:29):
across it. And other times they they would buck before
they'd go across that creek.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think you mentioned to me whenever we were talking
on Facebook, that your dad had some encounters and got
to the point where he wouldn't even talk about him.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, he wasn't. He was. He wouldn't talk about it.
But I got to describing one day right there before
he passed away, because he was real hard hearing him
myself and and my older brother all had the same
inner ear problems, and uh, my dad was horrible. I
mean as far as being able to hear. I cut
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my truck off in the driveway and I could hear
his TV playing. And uh so I think they really
probably ramped up. I think they was, you know, kind
of messing with him.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Do you think they do you think they figure that
out that somebody's hard hearing.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, I really do, because I think they were trying
to get a reaction out of him by you know,
a boy maybe making noises and stuff, and they weren't
getting any reaction out of him, and I think they
they kept ramping it up until they had to reveal
(28:45):
themselves to him. Yeah. Uh, you know of visually he
had to sit, you know, because I'm pretty sure he
probably saw something pretty dad gun cleared for him to
My daddy was you know, he's those cool, typical boomer
but he wasn't scared much and uh it wasn't scared
of much natural Uh, especially he was cautious about snakes
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and stuff like that. And that was a big thing
for us when he was growing up. Watch where he
puts your feet, But uh, it was standing in the
camper out here, my brothers. Uh that my brother had
the way he looked at me when I started describing
things about what I thought he saw or about what
was going on, you know, because I was trying to
(29:29):
let him know it was okay. He wasn't. He wasn't
crazy people crazy, and uh, the way he looked at
me was just, oh, it was like a you know,
instead of a gruff, you know, tough old man, it
was you know, a little boy almost. I don't know,
if you know, like a bumper pool camper, you know,
(29:51):
a little little porch awnings or whatever that rolls up. Yeah,
well that drama is pretty heavy and wrong. He was
out for you, and uh, I don't know. A couple
of weeks later, he cost me and tells me, I
don't know what the heck hew done to my dog,
(30:12):
my roof, my porch roof here, but uh, you need
to come out here and look at it. I I
come on here.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
At the.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Center of that drum was bent like a v and
my brother, Hell, he's twice as heavy as I am.
Maybe not twice, but uh he sat down on it,
Matt and about turned the dug on camper over but
never moved, never further bent of the on and drum
(30:43):
or even made it move. Really something, I don't know
what they wouldn't no tree limb that fell and benett
like that.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I mean that would take one heck of a tree
limb and I mean it would be laying right there
if it did.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, the whole, the whole. You know, they were mashed
the whole camper.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't know what beent that day, young thing, but
it seems how did they how did that bend it
without moving the rest of it? You know, like my
brother he was rocking the camper when he was you know,
kind of bouncing on it, and uh yeah, it's just
kind of we're you know, like they talk about bending
(31:26):
trees and stuff and sticking around. Uh after my brother
in law and the maples, after they'll beef maybe four
to six inch caliper tree, but beef you know, thirty
five foot tall and be bent over and stuck up
in the ground the top of it. Yeah, there's a
(31:50):
lot I give you after and you know, people that
that try to shame me or whatever about it, turn
around maybe about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, we'll
go down here a row right close through the air
Force base there. Well, it's actually the road is probably
(32:12):
in the on the air force base. There's woods on
both sides. Sit there and cut the truck off and
roll the windows down. We'll leave whenever you're ready. Yeah.
They nobody ever take me up on it though. It
don't matter where you got a gun, they're not. Most
of the time. They'll they'll avoid, which they don't really
want to have contact with you anyway, I don't think
(32:34):
most of the time. But they just soon you go
back home. A lot of places over by the pump
station where I saw that that mountain line, that bunch
over there. They don't play around if you if you
interrupt anything that they're doing. You know. That's another concern
I have a lot of times, is interrupting them and
turning their attention, their their predatory attention to me. You
(32:56):
only interrupt a coyote hunt or so like that. That's
another thing. I found the two coyote carcasses one day.
I wouldn't have put it together like this if I
hadn't heard someone else talk about the way they did
their dog, how they killed their dog. That's another construct,
you know, I've worried about mine, but that the way
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they done that coyote, it's like they his tail is
the base of his tails, his nose met for the
back of his neck, you know, the the back of
his head. Yeah, you know, like they and they wasn't no,
there wasn't no, there was no organs in them. They
were split open like you split them open with a laser.
(33:41):
The actress. They were fresh too. They weren't even smelling
bad yet.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And where did you find these out?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That was in center Town over in Warren County, between
wood what they call Woodbury and menvill that got permission
to hunt a farm over there and uh uh actually
a good friend of mine that uh had control of
some some agricultural property there, the right you know, had
(34:08):
to hunt and rise and and used to be it's
not as I don't think it's about anymore, but it
used to be a lot of you know of uh
backwoods organized crime over and nerve for the less for lack.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Of a better term.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I've only ever saw that that
knuckle track and I me and Lester was uh at
the back of it. I don't know if you know
y'all have retention ponds around the subject not but uh,
you know, ten years after the sub divisions put in,
that pond will have fish in it if it holds
water and the alight fishing and retention ponds because a
(34:45):
lot of times ain't nobody there, and uh, it's clean
all that out there. The Air Force base is low
and and kind of swampy, and they cut like swells.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And some of it for drain.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
And it was one of these wells come out of
the Air Force basin in the back of that subdivision
and there was some real slick, uh like mud there
and there was infant tracks all in that mud. Uh.
It was late March, early April, and it was frosty.
(35:20):
It was still frosty that morning at when we was there.
Them a little tracks. Total lesters like, well it's been
nice weather. GiB who go let their kid walk around,
let their child walking around with you know, with no
shoes on, stump around in the mud. I kind of
believe that might have been, you know, maybe a nursery
type area because it was protected. It was kind of
(35:42):
a a pretty good sized, real wide drawl. Wasn't real steep,
but it was wide that goes down into Cat Creek
and it's kind of a bowl there, and it's wooded
and it's stick and nobody goes in there really, uh,
there ain't nothing, ain't much reason to go in there,
(36:05):
and I imagine if somebody does it, get they get
run out. I thought maybe it might have been last
year's Youngns that was you know, them tracks belonged to
because they weren't real big. They weren't as big as
they may be half as big as our fate. But uh,
that was kind of LOLd.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah. Some of some of the most impressive tracks I've
seen are ones where it's just like, okay, well, you
know it would be highly unlikely that somebody be out
here barefoot, first off, and then secondly, you know these
these footprints. I got a plaster cast of a track
that we got that's the foot's like five inches long,
(36:49):
you know, so like they ain't letting their little kids
run around out their barefoot in the middle of September
whenever it's fifty degrees outside.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yep. That's that's about the size of them tracks that
we saw. You know. I just kind of thought it
was kind of cute. Uh. If anything, you know, something
like that can be cute. The tracks were a little
biggy track. There was two different ones there. Yeah, there
was two two sets of tracks and it was right
there in that area, and they must have been five
(37:20):
hundred of them. Like they was playing right there they
I didn't, but I didn't see any you know, like
uh seeing me. Like if you was, you know, child
playing in the mud, you you get it on your
hands too, and you know, finger drag marks and stuff. Uh,
never seeing anything like that, but there certainly was quite
(37:44):
a bit of activity right there, Lester. He thought I
was crazy. It had been you know, I've known him
since elementary school and he was one of them. He's
one of them friends where you pick up right where
he let leave off, you know when you see him.
And uh, he rode around with me all weekend one weekend,
and he thought I was crazy, you know, just he's
(38:07):
wondering what I was on. It's like, man, I thought
you just full of full of crowd man, Like whatdn't
the hell'd you? What the hell have you? What the
heck if you exposed me too.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Once the door is open, you can't shut it.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Now, once you say it, you can't unsee it. And
you know, people you know, it really kind of bothers
me a little bit when I read where people are
talking about how they how desperately they want to see
you know, I want to get on there to tell
you know, it ain't always said if I'm mind there
down to the interstate and they're you know, half a
(38:43):
mile away, sometimes it's fifty yards across grow from my house.
That really I don't know. I never really I'm not
necessarily all that religious, but I know, you know that
morning down there on the river, you know that prayer
which I have, you know, faith then, but uh that after, yeah,
(39:05):
I believe if it didn't keep it off of me,
it helped me. Well, there's I was sitting here looking
at a little baby deer now right, you know, trying
to cross draw me. Uh, but that that after I
kept whatever that was off of me that morning, and
you know that just kind of if it does take
me out at that point, I believe I've won. You
might have to do something pretty bad for for him
(39:27):
to come come on him like that, I believe. Kind
of hard to say. You know, you say it concerns
you and worries you, but then again, you know there's
times that it don't like I remember talking about, you know,
cooking bacon or something other camping, and uh, I cooked
some that night. I like breakfast or suffer and they
(39:49):
ain't nothing better than eating breakfast well camping, whatever time
of day it is, cook some bag at night. I
was kind of about halfway through it. I thought I
would turn I'm not here dogger cushery and I'm cooking
bacon and draw me in. Of which if I did,
I didn't. Y'all didn't know what. But you know, forget
(40:10):
all about it until until it's kind of too late.
You know you've done started. Like I was talking about
people wanting to see them, I ain't never talk to
anybody that their life is better because of seeing one
of them.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Turn things well, man, I appreciate you coming on here
and talking to me and sharing your stories.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Thank you well, I sure enough appreciate you having me
all and luck I said, I appreciate y'all do what
y'all do, and and everything.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
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in the woods.
I was small mouth bass fishing right about in daylight
down on the Duck River below with the Callfire's bridge.
It was quiet. There wasn't no crickets, no birds chirping.
Everything about me was telling me to leave. You know.
I staid there for thirty four or five minutes, take turch,
I said, third braid, until the birds started chirping and
the bugs and I eased on out of there. I
(00:22):
think it was behind me. I felt that in my chest.
Whatever that was at crowd, it was twice. It was
real short. It's mean. I had never heard a sound
like that before. I don't know what no fart that was.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'll get us kicked off here. You've had some experience
with uh boogers as we call them in the South,
you know you're up there in Tennessee. Tell me what
your personal experiences were. How you learned about these things
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, my mother sent us up here to doo with
our day back late eighty nineties, and just sending my
brother and I got here, my daddy started expand on
his barn stuff like that. He was into with the
call spotted saddle horse, and we started breaking you know,
saddle horses and walking orangers to trail ride for the
(01:43):
public and around the lake here Tva some of the
best trail riding in the country, and we always done
it in the follow the winter. And uh, I would notice.
I noticed one time back here on the real steep hillside,
the tree top was held fifty seventy five yards of
(02:03):
Bubba the tree. You know. That was the first thing
I noticed. Something had to drug at that tree top.
It was the whole tree top was way up hill
from the tree and I just kind of noticed that.
And I remember my brother telling about something messing with
them out back behind Grandma's house, you know, on the
(02:24):
same farm. Then nothing really until between twenty fifteen, late
August twenty fifteen, I was small mouth bass fishing right
about in daylight down on the Duck River, I belove
what they call fires Bridge, and uh, it was quiet.
There wasn't no crickets, no birds chirping, and everything about
(02:49):
me was telling me to leave that right there. That
that affected me pretty good. I don't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I never saw it, but you definitely had that feeling
that something was right.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I'm here to tell you. There wasn't nothing making no
noise except a policed woodpecker right straight across the river
from me. And uh, that first growl, that's what I
thought it was, that woodpecker, you know, take it on
that tree. But the second time I heard it, I
looked up there. He was headed toward the bridge, the
bird was and I spun around there, and I've got
(03:22):
bad here, and I only hear good out of one ear.
The direction of the sound is lost on me. I
can hear it sometimes, but I don't know what direction. Yeah,
and if you know, I stuck there for thirty four
or five minutes, tell you truth. I sat there and
pray until the birds started chirping and the bugs, you know,
(03:44):
the cricket and stuff now eased on out of there.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know what the heck that was, but it
was across the river from you.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I think it was behind me. I think it was
on the same side of the river as me. The
woodpecker was across the he was at a tree across
the but he was right about the middle of the
river on a limb, and he was, you know, he
took off a flying and then I felt that in
my chest. Whatever that was at crowd it was twice.
(04:12):
It was real short. It's mean I had never heard
a sound like that before. I don't know what enough
fart that was. As far as sightings, I've seen movement
out of corner my eyes and stuff, and it had
to have been something bigger than a deer. But on
my place it was the year after I had that
(04:35):
done there at the fires Bridge, the year after, across
the road from my house, not fifty yards from my
front door. I come bouncing out of the garage door
one morning about four to six, and I just happened
to look. It was real windy, early April. The wall
was a blowing hell. Across the road over Richter Watson's
(04:57):
his little horse law there all up, and there was
one walking across that day, Gun, that little cow lodger.
He was setting a half eight foot tall. I saw
him clear as day, Matt, But I've never saw ones
like facial features. Yeah, that one there, he had real
long string of hair. He looked like he had you know,
(05:19):
if he went a little hand on his gilly suit,
That's what it looked like. And his leeve's hanging off
the like. He just laid down the leaves and rode around.
As soon as he saw me. He stopped and he
knelt down. He got lot down on one knee, and uh,
the way I got gootbops down. Thinking about it, I
don't know if you're full with horses much, but you
(05:40):
know how a fly will get on a horse, a
horse fly bottom or something. The way they'll move their
their skin. Yeah, they'll kind of shiver. Yeah, that's the
only thing I can use to think up through the
closest thing I ain't think I've ever saw to describe
what he was to do. And I kind of chalked
it up to I must have shocked him a little bit,
and he stopped and dropped down there on the one
(06:01):
knee and and done that shaken after he realized that
the wind was a blow. It's so hard. Yeah, have
you ever heard anything like that?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, no, no, I've never heard about that shiver that
you're talking about. I mean, the whole thing kind of
makes sense as far as the setup is concerned, because
the wind was blown, so he probably couldn't wind you
real good and just didn't know you were there, and
you just caught him off guard. But I know, I've
never heard that shiver.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think that that was something he'd done regularly. Yeah,
or something, or you know, it was something because I've
heard that gate over there. I've heard the chain rattle
on that gate a couple of times. And my neighbor
laid that door. She lived alone. She called me one
time and said she was letting her dog out and
(06:51):
heard that chain on that gate. And I had been
hearing it for, you know, off and old for a
little while.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now, was it walking away from the property or towards
the property?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He was walking away the kind of diagonal across that
lot my house. My lot was square with mister Watson.
He had probably twenty five acres across the road and
he lived. His house was to the left, and he
was right there across the road from my house in
a lot. And I'd heard some wild sounds, like coyodies
(07:26):
that kind of bleeds it into an owl. Yeah, pretty
much know it was something that's sounding like them, and
then they just so quiet. I talked to Tim about
what happened to him down the river. I asked him
where he thought that. Well, I don't know. I'm like, well,
I kind of thought it was a dog man.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
How long had you been fishing before you heard the ground?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It wasn't long, man, It wasn't long at all because
it wasn't daylight yet, and I got there probably five thirty.
It was just getting daylight, you know. And I left
out of there. I don't it didn't seem like I
was there that long. Yeah, but it was probably seven
(08:12):
quarter seven something like that brounseoure o'clock when I finally
got out of there. I never saw anything right except
that was the only thing I heard other than that woodchucker.
I didn't even walk back up to the path. I'm
along the edge of the river, got my feet wet
and everything.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Now were you just bank fishing standing in one spot
or are you walking the bank or what were you doing?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was just standing in one spot. There was a
rock out crop ter above the river.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, the river was down like sign. Typically whenever I
hear about stories like that, usually bigfoot will like start
throwing stuff like in the water and towards you or whatever,
trying to just get you to move out of the area.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Uh huh, Yeah, I've had that assor.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Going to the street growl like that. I mean, I
don't know that that might have been a dog man,
that might have not been a bigfoot at all.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
The feeling that was right. There was it's duck, you're done,
it's over with. That was a feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah uh, And they wasn't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They wasn't much shaking that feeling. I wouldn't wish it
on nobody to feel that fear, but I kind of
believe now that I won't never have to worry about
that again. Feeling that fear. For some reason, I get
that feeling of kind of an air rowing type because
that was right that rf there was somebody gonna find
my belt buckle in a pile somewhere. Like I said,
(09:41):
I never saw anything. Now, if something was thrown, I
didn't sing. Anything hit the water. Yeah, I didn't hear anything.
I kind of believe something throwing a rock in the
water would be louder than throwing it at me, you know,
on the ground won't hit the ground. If they threw
something and it hit the ground, it it had to
be pretty close to me, or something pretty substantial size
(10:04):
and make, you know, quite a bit of noise for
me to hear. And I'm hard to hearing pretty bad.
You know, I've gotten where I can't stand to ask
somebody to repeat themselves, but I'll standing there twenty second,
try to figure out what they say.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, I think with you fishing and everything, you
would have noticed or something hit the water, you would
have noticed the splash or something.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, Ever since that first one, I quit looking
for them now there. At one time it was my
new job figure out what the heck you know of
was messing with me like that. And actually across the
road from my brother in laws place, uh oh man,
that place after they've got them, afterlight, I recognize the
day a neighborhood of Bigfoot. I cared a lot of
(10:47):
his soide fields and and flat woodland. Don't talk about
it much because I don't have to access that picture anymore.
But looked like a young a young one, and he
was just like he just got set up. He looked
like he was sitting there like I would turkey hunting,
Like he was sitting there watching or trying to hide,
(11:10):
like up against a tree or you know, in a
wind row, a fresh wet wind row what we call,
you know, when they've come through there with the dozer
and they're clear out of the spot, and he was
sitting there. He kind of looked like he was setting up.
You know, if you put a motorcycle up under him.
That's what he looked like. Huh, yeah, he had both
his hands up a little bit. And uh. I went
(11:33):
back through there letter that day and uh, he was
kind of memriky what he was sitting in front of.
I went back by three or four hours later. If
he was there, he changed positions and moved and I
didn't see. And there's clear, it was clear as day
and them thing. You know, they got some kind of
intelligence about him, Dan though. I mean it's thought. Uh
(11:56):
they say, you know, it were like their TV. They're
entertained themselves with others, you know. Yeah that that or
my brother in law he was used to text me
I once a month and say, man, you're hear this
going on out here? They get up and go outside
and smoke cigarette. Uh what late at night or they
(12:16):
were in the morning. And uh, he won't talk about
it too much. I'd ask him about it later and
he wouldn't say much. I think a lot of people
were worried about, you know, being made fun of or joke.
I don't care. I don't care if people believe me
or not or what they say. I know what I
saw and I know what I heard.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Now is he the one that you said had a
photograph of something that looked like jeepers creepers?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Now, that was my neighbor lives back here on the
large part of my grandmother's fun that thing. I'm not
into scare boovies and stuff, and I had to look
it up on there and that was my sister in
law told me that for the rook Like I was
standing there next to her when he's sitting in that picture,
and uh, I was, you know, I just kind of
(13:08):
uh benched and moved with fingers after and zoomed in
on it and uh and showed it to her through
Helen keepers Creepers and uh, I'm like what And she
told me about the movie and uh, but it's good
a lot like it and Justin told me that it
looked like there was adult there was a dog sitting
(13:30):
below and he was sitting like Indian style, almost like
in the true It was up on the truck of
the tree a big widow and at the bottom of
the tree there was a dog or something there, but
I couldn't see it was uh, you know, he was
kind of camouflaged by the poltige you know, down load
(13:52):
that thing in the tree.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Look he had like an overcoat on kind of That
was the picture that was sent to me, Matt, you know,
and the fellow that sent it to me, he's not
you know, he's not real uh cedified or sophisticated enough
to be able to photoshop something like that, it don't
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And he just saw this thing sitting up in a tree, yes, sir, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And the girl that used to stay back there wedding
had asked me about the you know, extremely large spiders,
and well, I kind of think it was a big
of it that was on all fours and that's just
the closest thing they can come to, you know, to
what it looked like, because that's the same area, that's
the same place. Like as coach talking about earlier, my
(14:39):
brother had talked about something messing with them while they
was camping. Oh, I was telling a friend of mine's
daughter or a friend of mine and his daughter overheard
it about that what happened to me down at the
Pirates Bridge and said they was down there, were not
in their jeeves playing down there in that mud. They
(15:02):
was all standing around talking and something throw the big
old big chunk on the flood of tree trunk in
the middle of them. It's like it fell right out
of sky.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Down at that same location.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, right across the river from there, the same area
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Is it a place where a lot of people go to,
you know, ride their jeeps and stuff through the mud.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Us too. They put the uh, they put a guard
rail up across the road there that can't that comes
in there. And uh on the side that I was
fishing on home if it's no roadbed, and they built
a new bridge there, I think that's what it is.
And uh, but they put a gate up on that side,
(15:49):
and uh, I guess people moved their other side. It
used to be fun to go down there and you know,
with a fool would drive, but they stopped that. Our
population has grown quite a bit here in By County
in the last several years, and there's a lot more
people here, which makes more people want to recreate diaks
(16:11):
and stuff like that has become real, real popular, and
there's more people river. But back then when that happened
to me, there weren't all that. There wasn't new as
many people on those rigor that that river right that
stretch of the river rut there really isn't all but accessible.
(16:32):
My bills did a kayak down there, but then it's
not easy like what people want.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I was just curious because there's a a place here
in Oklahoma that I used to go to all the
time when I was younger. But it's a popular off
road and four wheeling spot, and I've heard stories about
things getting thrown at them, you know, at night time
whenever they're out there and they're jeeps and stuff and
(16:57):
their rock crawlers.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah. I used to do it for a living, doing
the we control and UH liquid fertilizer uh on residential
turf there, you know, fifteen miles and you know, a
day but nothing. But my brother, he couldn't walk all
that mud. We left, you know, our four daylight one
morning turkey hunting on Wm A and we're sitting there.
(17:26):
We got there own. We got there a little earlier
than what but I thought we would move. Sitting there
finishing a biscuit and a red bull, I heard a
pine cone or something of bounced into our setup. And
about the second one, my brother doesn't put his hearing
eight on and turned it on and he heard it
(17:48):
about saying, I guess and he here, Yeah, I didn't
hear it. Long story short, come daylight. There's a pile
with pine cones. I don't know, three quarters of a dozen.
They ate nine fine combs, piled up like you placed
them there almost between us. We was all three four
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foot apart.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like something had just like snuck up and set them there.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Don't They bounced in.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Huh, all in the same spot, Yes, sir, I mean
that don't happen. That ain't falling from a tree or
you know, a squirrel dropping him.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
No, sir, that's my brother. He's always kind of made
fun of me, oh about that stuff. But they wasn't
on denying that he know, drn Wall I didn't get
up and go getter them up and lay them there
because we were sitting there running their mouth. But he
(18:52):
heard when he turned his hair and note on, I
guess he heard he heard them coming. He said he
heard most of them or coming in. But when he
asked me if I heard it, no, I ain't hear it.
But it was wondering what it was. But it was
fish black dark. He was in kind of uh kind
of a pine not a tying ticket, but mature pine trees. Yeah,
(19:18):
and there actually on the edge of the wm A there.
We had to walk in there three quarters of a
mile maybe, And I've been you know, I used to
do the week control and fertilizers and during the spring
that's the busy season because you've got to get and
go to work and can't go turkey hunting during turkey season.
You know, that's forty five days there, and it seems
(19:39):
like another full time job by the end of the season.
But uh, windy days was the only time I could
go hunting because it was real windy or for his.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Reigning, not real great days to go hunting.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No so, and the windy days had it happened most
but I could hear. They had to be real close
to me, Matt, because I wouldn't be able to hear another
set of feet shuffler through the leaves. I mean them,
dry them, dry oak leaves. You ain't gonna be quiet
out right. I was wondering, that's somebody trying to get
in between me and I can have But I guess
(20:14):
I got a little bit inflated there about about my
my ability to kill turkeys. And we'll see somebody who
could kind of get in between me and the turkey.
Almost you know much about turkey, but around here public
plan is uh, it's a little bit of pressure on
(20:34):
public land. Yeah, and it's hard to you know if
people call, you know, call say call shy and stuff
like that. That's before I realized they wasn't no such
thing as call shy. They just but uh, I learned
to run the harder types of turkey calls to run
like the trumpet and uh like a a pill bottle
(20:57):
cube call. They're uh, you know, it takes a little
bit of skill or practice to run them. No, I
got pretty good at killing turkeys and on public land.
And we'll get on you know, lining and brag about it.
I guess, ego, I guess, but uh, I was stung
something with somebody was trying to get between me and
my turkey. Track to killing the turkey. It's the only
(21:20):
thing I could attribute to another pair of feet walking
around in the woods. The man's vine at tatting all
kind of stuff. It'll lie to himself if he if
he allows it, come to find out, you know, figure
out that that uh boogers you know, following me. I
was stopping. That's when I kind of figured it wasn't
(21:40):
a man because I don't think a man would walk
backwards a half a step off be right in time
with me. But it it just didn't sound you know,
it was more than one the time, and their timing
will be off.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, and they would follow you into your spot or
follow you out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They was phoning me out of that area. And I've
been run out of an area too. Of Max Whissee's
family had some property over by the industrial park, and
I would I'd back my truck and go. There was
ag fields up there in between those industrial buildings and
(22:21):
I'd back up for the combine up pulled into the field.
I backed my truck up running there and the walk
across had that field. To get to that in the
property over that they wouldn't know. They had to park
out there to the highway and walk through good ways
to get back there. Back to the woods. They run
me out of there a couple of times. There was
(22:42):
a certain tree, there was a great big sycamore back
there before daylight. They did not. It was like hitting
the wall right there. That's the only thing I could
describe it as I could not without causing myself some trouble.
I really felt like I didn't need to go past
(23:03):
that tree. But after day got daylight, I went back
over with my with a friend of mine. He was
such a good friend. I took him over with me
and we walked back here, and did you know, it
was fine after daylight, and I could kind of figure
out that they didn't want me back there before daylight.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I went back here after daylight, and you know, had
been pretty successful, you know, kurky hunting. But I knew,
I knew they was there. I saw footprints, and I
sent Tim a picture of what looked like a cow track,
but you could see I remember him describing, you know,
they would walk on our knuckles or whatever. Do you
(23:43):
remember that you old.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Tell that one? Yeah, yeah, Bear discovered that down in Louisiana,
I think where it looked like they were punching into
the ground. And uh, it just looked like cow tracks
to most people. But if you got up on the track,
you could see the knuckle impressions yeah, and the thumb yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And that's so I thought to save the gun. And
it wasn't long after they they described that how that
track looked, and I'm standing there over this track and
I'm looking at exactly what they described and we'll shoot.
I was hoped because that's why I started going over
there could be hoping they wouldn't go over there in
(24:24):
that area. It didn't stop me from hunting, but it
certainly changed my the way I went about it. You know,
there wasn't no more leaving the truck without no flash
flight at three, three, four or five in the morning,
with nothing more than a sell full screen as lot. Uh,
(24:45):
there wasn't no more of that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
There wasn't a whole lot more going by myself because
I kind of knew how to keep not necessarily myself safe,
but uh from being further traumatized.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But yeah, they ain't no joke that's true about you know,
being masters of intimidation. Even if you you know, kind
of know that they're not gonna hurt you or whatever.
They can they can come to you to hurt yourself
or or they can dang sure affect the man mentally.
(25:21):
That dog I was talking about, he was supposed to
be a foster. I didn't want want nothing to do
with him. But about three days after he was there
at the house, he jumped up in the truck one
morning and wouldn't get out, and I drag drug him
out of there, and he kept getting back in the
truck before I could get the door closed, and I like, well, dog,
you're going made today and let you That dog was
(25:45):
in the truck with me every day after that, and
he was a very good dog. Nothing scared y that.
He was reprotective of me. He was a one person
dog and he didn't want much to do with anybody else.
But he was my ears. I wouldn't go in the
woods without him, and I kind of got let myself
(26:06):
get fault to that. I thank hell, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go go to the woods somewhere or something other
than now, where's my dog? I ain't got my dog?
So I wouldn't go. I still don't. I don't go
by myself hardly. So, like I said, I had that
doll girl for several years, and uh, any, I believe
(26:27):
just about any dog what would be able if you
pay attention to him, we'll be able to lets you
know when something's up.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing. You got to pay
attention to him, and you gotta trust their instincts. And
if the dog says it's time to go, then it's
probably time to go.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, Yeah, and he Cooper. He didn't play around. He
buzzing collar, vibraaking that collar. He just keep all. He
wouldn't turn around, and uh, you know that's when I
just fall under the truck. He'd been the truck waked,
don't you. You could holler a truck at him and
he would That's where he go. I don't know, it's
hard to explain that durned dog, but uh, you missed
(27:07):
something like that. They wouldn't no better woods companion, Like
I said, you know the horses, will you know? Thinking
about uh, when was breaking them coats out here, even
the dago green broke coat, you know, come think of it.
Sometimes they wouldn't cross the creek down here by Grandma.
Sometimes they just when he you know, just walked right
(27:29):
across it. And other times they they would buck before
they'd go across that creek.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think you mentioned to me whenever we were talking
on Facebook, that your dad had some encounters and got
to the point where he wouldn't even talk about him.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, he wasn't. He was. He wouldn't talk about it.
But I got to describing one day right there before
he passed away, because he was real hard hearing him
myself and and my older brother all had the same
inner ear problems, and uh, my dad was horrible. I
mean as far as being able to hear. I cut
(28:09):
my truck off in the driveway and I could hear
his TV playing. And uh so I think they really
probably ramped up. I think they was, you know, kind
of messing with him.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Do you think they do you think they figure that
out that somebody's hard hearing.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, I really do, because I think they were trying
to get a reaction out of him by you know,
a boy maybe making noises and stuff, and they weren't
getting any reaction out of him, and I think they
they kept ramping it up until they had to reveal
(28:45):
themselves to him. Yeah. Uh, you know of visually he
had to sit, you know, because I'm pretty sure he
probably saw something pretty dad gun cleared for him to
My daddy was you know, he's those cool, typical boomer
but he wasn't scared much and uh it wasn't scared
of much natural Uh, especially he was cautious about snakes
(29:08):
and stuff like that. And that was a big thing
for us when he was growing up. Watch where he
puts your feet, But uh, it was standing in the
camper out here, my brothers. Uh that my brother had
the way he looked at me when I started describing
things about what I thought he saw or about what
was going on, you know, because I was trying to
(29:29):
let him know it was okay. He wasn't. He wasn't
crazy people crazy, and uh, the way he looked at
me was just, oh, it was like a you know,
instead of a gruff, you know, tough old man, it
was you know, a little boy almost. I don't know,
if you know, like a bumper pool camper, you know,
(29:51):
a little little porch awnings or whatever that rolls up. Yeah,
well that drama is pretty heavy and wrong. He was
out for you, and uh, I don't know. A couple
of weeks later, he cost me and tells me, I
don't know what the heck hew done to my dog,
(30:12):
my roof, my porch roof here, but uh, you need
to come out here and look at it. I I
come on here.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
At the.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Center of that drum was bent like a v and
my brother, Hell, he's twice as heavy as I am.
Maybe not twice, but uh he sat down on it,
Matt and about turned the dug on camper over but
never moved, never further bent of the on and drum
(30:43):
or even made it move. Really something, I don't know
what they wouldn't no tree limb that fell and benett
like that.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I mean that would take one heck of a tree
limb and I mean it would be laying right there
if it did.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, the whole, the whole. You know, they were mashed
the whole camper.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't know what beent that day, young thing, but
it seems how did they how did that bend it
without moving the rest of it? You know, like my
brother he was rocking the camper when he was you know,
kind of bouncing on it, and uh yeah, it's just
kind of we're you know, like they talk about bending
(31:26):
trees and stuff and sticking around. Uh after my brother
in law and the maples, after they'll beef maybe four
to six inch caliper tree, but beef you know, thirty
five foot tall and be bent over and stuck up
in the ground the top of it. Yeah, there's a
(31:50):
lot I give you after and you know, people that
that try to shame me or whatever about it, turn
around maybe about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, we'll
go down here a row right close through the air
Force base there. Well, it's actually the road is probably
(32:12):
in the on the air force base. There's woods on
both sides. Sit there and cut the truck off and
roll the windows down. We'll leave whenever you're ready. Yeah.
They nobody ever take me up on it though. It
don't matter where you got a gun, they're not. Most
of the time. They'll they'll avoid, which they don't really
want to have contact with you anyway, I don't think
(32:34):
most of the time. But they just soon you go
back home. A lot of places over by the pump
station where I saw that that mountain line, that bunch
over there. They don't play around if you if you
interrupt anything that they're doing. You know. That's another concern
I have a lot of times, is interrupting them and
turning their attention, their their predatory attention to me. You
(32:56):
only interrupt a coyote hunt or so like that. That's
another thing. I found the two coyote carcasses one day.
I wouldn't have put it together like this if I
hadn't heard someone else talk about the way they did
their dog, how they killed their dog. That's another construct,
you know, I've worried about mine, but that the way
(33:20):
they done that coyote, it's like they his tail is
the base of his tails, his nose met for the
back of his neck, you know, the the back of
his head. Yeah, you know, like they and they wasn't no,
there wasn't no, there was no organs in them. They
were split open like you split them open with a laser.
(33:41):
The actress. They were fresh too. They weren't even smelling
bad yet.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And where did you find these out?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That was in center Town over in Warren County, between
wood what they call Woodbury and menvill that got permission
to hunt a farm over there and uh uh actually
a good friend of mine that uh had control of
some some agricultural property there, the right you know, had
(34:08):
to hunt and rise and and used to be it's
not as I don't think it's about anymore, but it
used to be a lot of you know of uh
backwoods organized crime over and nerve for the less for lack.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Of a better term.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I've only ever saw that that
knuckle track and I me and Lester was uh at
the back of it. I don't know if you know
y'all have retention ponds around the subject not but uh,
you know, ten years after the sub divisions put in,
that pond will have fish in it if it holds
water and the alight fishing and retention ponds because a
(34:45):
lot of times ain't nobody there, and uh, it's clean
all that out there. The Air Force base is low
and and kind of swampy, and they cut like swells.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And some of it for drain.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
And it was one of these wells come out of
the Air Force basin in the back of that subdivision
and there was some real slick, uh like mud there
and there was infant tracks all in that mud. Uh.
It was late March, early April, and it was frosty.
(35:20):
It was still frosty that morning at when we was there.
Them a little tracks. Total lesters like, well it's been
nice weather. GiB who go let their kid walk around,
let their child walking around with you know, with no
shoes on, stump around in the mud. I kind of
believe that might have been, you know, maybe a nursery
type area because it was protected. It was kind of
(35:42):
a a pretty good sized, real wide drawl. Wasn't real steep,
but it was wide that goes down into Cat Creek
and it's kind of a bowl there, and it's wooded
and it's stick and nobody goes in there really, uh,
there ain't nothing, ain't much reason to go in there,
(36:05):
and I imagine if somebody does it, get they get
run out. I thought maybe it might have been last
year's Youngns that was you know, them tracks belonged to
because they weren't real big. They weren't as big as
they may be half as big as our fate. But uh,
that was kind of LOLd.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah. Some of some of the most impressive tracks I've
seen are ones where it's just like, okay, well, you
know it would be highly unlikely that somebody be out
here barefoot, first off, and then secondly, you know these
these footprints. I got a plaster cast of a track
that we got that's the foot's like five inches long,
(36:49):
you know, so like they ain't letting their little kids
run around out their barefoot in the middle of September
whenever it's fifty degrees outside.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yep. That's that's about the size of them tracks that
we saw. You know. I just kind of thought it
was kind of cute. Uh. If anything, you know, something
like that can be cute. The tracks were a little
biggy track. There was two different ones there. Yeah, there
was two two sets of tracks and it was right
there in that area, and they must have been five
(37:20):
hundred of them. Like they was playing right there they
I didn't, but I didn't see any you know, like
uh seeing me. Like if you was, you know, child
playing in the mud, you you get it on your
hands too, and you know, finger drag marks and stuff. Uh,
never seeing anything like that, but there certainly was quite
(37:44):
a bit of activity right there, Lester. He thought I
was crazy. It had been you know, I've known him
since elementary school and he was one of them. He's
one of them friends where you pick up right where
he let leave off, you know when you see him.
And uh, he rode around with me all weekend one weekend,
and he thought I was crazy, you know, just he's
(38:07):
wondering what I was on. It's like, man, I thought
you just full of full of crowd man, Like whatdn't
the hell'd you? What the hell have you? What the
heck if you exposed me too.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Once the door is open, you can't shut it.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Now, once you say it, you can't unsee it. And
you know, people you know, it really kind of bothers
me a little bit when I read where people are
talking about how they how desperately they want to see
you know, I want to get on there to tell
you know, it ain't always said if I'm mind there
down to the interstate and they're you know, half a
(38:43):
mile away, sometimes it's fifty yards across grow from my house.
That really I don't know. I never really I'm not
necessarily all that religious, but I know, you know that
morning down there on the river, you know that prayer
which I have, you know, faith then, but uh that after, yeah,
(39:05):
I believe if it didn't keep it off of me,
it helped me. Well, there's I was sitting here looking
at a little baby deer now right, you know, trying
to cross draw me. Uh, but that that after I
kept whatever that was off of me that morning, and
you know that just kind of if it does take
me out at that point, I believe I've won. You
might have to do something pretty bad for for him
(39:27):
to come come on him like that, I believe. Kind
of hard to say. You know, you say it concerns
you and worries you, but then again, you know there's
times that it don't like I remember talking about, you know,
cooking bacon or something other camping, and uh, I cooked
some that night. I like breakfast or suffer and they
(39:49):
ain't nothing better than eating breakfast well camping, whatever time
of day it is, cook some bag at night. I
was kind of about halfway through it. I thought I
would turn I'm not here dogger cushery and I'm cooking
bacon and draw me in. Of which if I did,
I didn't. Y'all didn't know what. But you know, forget
(40:10):
all about it until until it's kind of too late.
You know you've done started. Like I was talking about
people wanting to see them, I ain't never talk to
anybody that their life is better because of seeing one
of them.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Turn things well, man, I appreciate you coming on here
and talking to me and sharing your stories.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Thank you well, I sure enough appreciate you having me
all and luck I said, I appreciate y'all do what
y'all do, and and everything.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or
something else you can't explain out in those woods, email
me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out
the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com you can find links
to social media, past episodes, merchandise, Everything you need, all
in one place, and until next time, remember there's something
in the woods.
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