Ep:167 Bigfoot Gut Check

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And something right. I mean, it's right behind me. But
I turn around, I could touch it, and it jumps
up on all fours and I'm like, well, I'm bad,
you know, I'm looking at this thing. It bolts out
of the bush into the open. It's right next to me.
I mean it is right on top of it. It's
down on all fours. It has long arms and legs.
But the back of it, the back of this thing,
I mean, it's not any bigger in two hundred and
fifty to three hundred pounds, it's not much bigger than me.

(00:22):
It seemed like as far as height goes. But it's
down on all fours. It's facing away from me. It's
starting to book it out through the woods. And I
remember the back of it.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Though.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
The muscular of this creature is unbelievable. I mean, it's
just like a very large silver back gorilla. Like I'll

(01:11):
be all over the place, you know, some with no luck,
some with a ton of luck.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
The up there in Virginia, it's where the ton of
luck was at. I was stationed in Campbell Jeane, so
i'd go up to the Crow Ten National Forests. Had
pretty good luck out there and they're extremely shy out
in the crow ten. Uh. There, there was no doubt
about that. But I got some quardies out there. That's
where I had my third siding. Like plain as day

(01:37):
comes out of the woods, just trots right in front
of my car. Ten foot tall female, pinkish red hair,
kind of like a big It's really real. That one
was really hard to describe the appearance of it. It
was adorable looking if it wasn't ten foot tall and
made you know, right, it's like I get Do I

(01:57):
get out and chase it down and hug it or
do I stay in the car leaving the world. I
stayed in the car.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
And then I've been to Kaimichi's Yeah, because I mean,
you deal with guys. I think you did a story
on the the whole ubby siege on Hobby and uh,
i'd been when those guys actually have a forum. I
don't know if you know this, and it was called
the Kaimichi Giants. So yeah, so back in the day,
in that forum still up, you can go through and
read all the posts on it, and uh, that was

(02:27):
one of the first things they did, I think, to
reach out to the community to try to get help
with what they were doing with I remember, I can't
remember which one it was. I think it was Tim
and Mike, right, that was the two Ella's that was
down there having trouble, But I remember one of them.
They people would give them crap all the time and
they'd be like, oh, the big Foot isn't real, or

(02:47):
you're you're lying, You're a con man, you know, except
you know how the rundown goes, etcetera, etcetera. I mean,
it was just dragging them. They didn't very much appreciate
being talked to you like that. And I remember him
telling somebody, well, if you think that it's not real,
I was about you come on down to my property
and I tiede your liver around your neck and you
can just walk boys, and you'll.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Find out real quick that they're real.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah. Well, Opper was most certainly open, and uh, I
was really intrigued to listening to them talk and seeing
them going back and forth. I talked to them a
little bit on those forums and I said, yeah, someday
I'm going to go to the Kaiameci Mountains and it
was just like like you said, they definitely act different
in the Kayamchi Mountains than what they do in Virginia
or in North Carolina, that is for certain.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I don't know why that is.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I want to say it's because, you know, people down
there kind of have the attitude of if they hear somebody,
you know, snooping around on their property at night, they're
liable just to start blasting out off the front porch
with a shotgun.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, they don't like people will come down there and
cause them that ruckus or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's for cert No, But you know there's other parts
of the country where people act like that too, and
you don't have the same behavior out of the bigfoots.
I don't really know if that's it or not exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, and it was, it's wild over the you know,
just being I started in twenty thirteen was when I
really started going to the field. And yes, it's actually interesting.
I'll give you like a quick rundown on how I
got into the big Foot thing. It was actually back
in during the Georgia Bigfoot you know, when they had
one quote unquote and a freezer. Yeah, all the fallout

(04:26):
from that. I'd never given bigfoot a thought at all ever,
And I saw how much interest that there was in
the subject. I saw just like it was massive news
coverage about it, and then I kind of started delving
into the community and I said, well, this is real,
or at least people think this is real and uh,
and that they're very very interesting in it and they

(04:47):
take it very seriously. So I should probably start looking
into this because at the time, I was really interested in,
you know, Gorilla's problems, any it's in North America, you know,
questions like that were something that really tread me. And
I was also interested in old stories that you hear
from almost every culture in the world about you know,

(05:07):
giant humans like that. I mean, I'm pretty sure that
it is actually every culture has stories about that. So
I'm looking into the subject. You know, I'm not really sure,
you know, is it real? Uh? Is it ape? Is
it you know, some sort of you know, ancient human
or something like that that's we're just kind of never

(05:28):
really recorded. We've not run into it or And I
came across Dave Polattis's work, and Dave noted that if
you overlay a map of the average annual precipitation in
the United States with a map of the sightings that
people had accumulated back then, and it's I think it's
up to about seven thousand sightings on this map that
can be given out and anybody can go look that up.

(05:51):
But when you do that overlay, it lines up perfectly.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I mean, you can't fake that well. I mean, in fairness,
those areas have the most you know, the highest annual
percentages of rainfall are also going to be the ones
that have the most vegetation, the most woods, the most cover,
So like, of course they're going to be in those
areas exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
It makes perfect sense too. And and the more water
you've got in an area, the more vegetation and all that,
were like, you're going to run into one and that's
just kind of it's a simple pretty much as simple
as that. You know, there's other factors that go into it,
I've learned, but that's that's the big one. If you
ain't got water, you're probably like there might they might

(06:31):
be moving through an area that doesn't have water, but
they ain't going to be moving through it real long.
It seems like because every encounter I've had this one
over the years, it's been near water.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean, that was one of the main things
that we always look for. It was multiple sources of
fresh water in an area.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh yeah, that's so, that's that's the key for shirt.
And it seems like they use the water to travel
around too. That's like when they're moving a lot of
times it's in a creek, it seems like or right
next to one. And that's even moving like locally when
they're really close to you. But yeah, I started so
I saw that, and you know, I just kept devouring information.

(07:12):
I think I remember I counted and within the first
two years after that, it was like twenty thousand pages
worth of sightings that I'd went over see, just a
maddening amount of data and just we're being learned from
anybody that I could learn from, you know, any forums again,
the Kaimuta Giants forum, I learned from those guys obviously,

(07:36):
the Big Flop forums, bf ro O, I mean, you
name it. I was going through it and learning from
different people. It's like I started learning from the Native
American community quite a bits. They're starting to become more public,
I guess with the subject, and they were like, well,
it's it's a it's a people, you know, that's kind
of their stance on it. This is guys like Robert
Morgan and Arla Williams and you know, different people, and

(07:58):
it's definitely a people. They have a language, you know,
they have a family structure, et cetera, et cetera. And
it was actually her about twenty thirteen that started going
out to the field because yeah, I figured, you know,
not just out here rip from people's heads off. These
things aren't really dangerous unless you give them a reason
to be dangerous. Typically you've got to really push them

(08:19):
to get them really mad at you or make a
mistake like usually it seems like you interrupt like a
hunt or something like that. I mean, it's you or
you're around one and they got kids around, they don't
want you around. So it's just time to leave, get
out of there, and you'll be fine, because if one
of them wanted to get you, I mean, the fact

(08:40):
of the matter is, and you probably agree with me,
you're not going to hear it. It's gonna sneak up
on you and you're gonna get ambushed, right or they're
just gonna have the rock from you know, half the
football field away had rock selling at me and everything,
and the accuracy is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I think that's something that doesn't really get talked about
a lot. I mean, everybody talks about rock throwing, of course,
but you know, the vast majority of rock throwing is
just maybe somebody's sitting on the bank of a river
somewhere fishing and you know, rocks start flying or whatever.
But there's instances where their accuracy is crazy, especially with

(09:19):
the fact that they're throwing through trees to begin with.
I mean, if I throw a rock through the woods,
I'm hitting the first tree closest to me and it's
gonna probably ricochet and hit me in the head. And
I've seen these things, you know, beat them off a
little lantern pole and in a campsite, you know, little
pebbles coming from the tree cover. And I don't know
how they do it.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, I don't know how they have that amount of
accuracy at all. And they're doing it like undercover too.
Like you said, it's like you'll never hardly see one
throw a rock. I know I never have, and I've
hardly ever heard of anybody actually seeing one when they
throw it. And but I mean you'll hit, I mean
you'll hit literally just inches from you, but never hits
you never hit yet but if it's just crazy, and

(10:03):
I know that they use it the hunt. Sometimes they
do that just to get your attention, or they're just
messing with you. It seems like a lot of the
stuffs they do because I've been bluff charged two times
and they wait until I'm dead asleep. Of course when
they do it and it seems like that, it's usually
just to mess with you. It's just a sense of
humored thing almost, see what you'll do. Yeah, yeah, I

(10:24):
don't like being woken up like that.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
But it makes good Yeah that's not fun. Never a
good time.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh yeah, on those days, I certainly don't need coffee,
So wake up when that happens, and I'm back to
sleep either. That was that was actually the first night
in the Kaimichi Mountains. That's that's exactly how it went.
One of them, well that that was a fun story
up there. So I can't going through those forums and
hearing him talk about you know, well him, that's sure,

(10:53):
how fact of the matter he said it. I will
tie a deer liver around your neck and you can
walk into the woods and you will find out instantaneously
that they are real. Yeah, so I finally got a
chance that this has been. I was in the military
to go up to the Kaimichies, and I didn't have
a gun or anything on me because I was coming
off to the military base. I'd been there for about
nine months training and I was just ready to get

(11:15):
out out of that base and into the woods. So
I get up there to the Kaiamichis and I travel
around the area and there's nobody in these woods. I mean,
there's just nobody. Because I think it was midweek, it
was well out of hunting season. It's you know, I
can't remember at the exact time of year, but it
would have been, you know, pretty early in betweeny I'd

(11:36):
have to go back and look at it. But that's
where that audio recording, since it comes from. And so
when I'm up there, I ran this truck and I'm
out walking around through these woods, and like I said,
there's nobody up there at all. Because I checked all
over the place and drove all the roads that cut
through these mountains, and I decided at some point there's

(11:57):
no activity going on during the day, I might as
well go ahead and down in my hammock and read
some books and go to sleep and maybe not tying stuff.
Will pop off. It's like, well, so I go up
to this truck and there's this big I guess it's
a rhododendron kind of thing right next to it. And
I have a video that you can look at. I
can send it to you after this before that thing
is laying and it's right next to me. I mean

(12:18):
it's lewly, just a couple of feet from my feet.
I mean, let's truck messing around with my back, turn
to this bush and I accidentally slam a piece of
lugget down on the back of it. Too heavy and
something right. I mean, it's right behind me. But I
turn around I could touch it, and it jumps up
on all fours and I'm like, well, I'm dead. You know,
A black bear or something is right on top of me,

(12:40):
and I'm gonna get eat because I don't even have
a knife on me, you know, I have nothing. And
I'm like I saw. I'm like, well, if it's gonna
get me, I might as well turn around look at it.
And I'm looking at this thing and it bolts out
of the bush into the open. It's right next to me.
I mean it is right on top of me. It's
down on all fours. It has long arms and legs,
the way different than what a bear, way different what

(13:02):
a bear has. But the hair looks like a bear.
It's like it's long, black, shiny hair. It takes me
a while to realize the difference between its hair and
a bears. But the back of it, the back of
this thing, I mean, it's not any bigger in two
hundred and fifty to three hundred pounds, it's not much
bigger than me. It seemed like as far as height goes,
it's down on all fours, it's facing away from me.

(13:23):
It's starting to book it out through the woods, basically
going over hill. Behind covers what it's head it towards.
And I remember the back of it though. The muscularture
of this creature is unbelievable. I mean, it's just like
a very large silver back gorilla on the back. And
that's one of the things that's different about these things

(13:43):
that you know, some people know, some people don't, is
when you look at a bear from the back like that.
A bear has a slope to it, and that's grizzly
bear and black bear. But these things, I've never seen
one with that slope like it is a plain like
body builder ish back that they have to them, or
it's just a straight flat across the back. It's one
of the other, it seems like. And I guess that

(14:04):
just depends on how bick the hair is or how
muscle up that individual is. But that's what I'm looking at.
And I'm watching this thing run away from me and
just kind of dumbfounded, and I'm like, well, I thought
that there was nothing going on during the day, but
then that happened. I don't know exactly what that is
for running from me. There's no mistake in what it is.
And I'm like, well, I'm not going to follow it

(14:25):
because that would be pretty stupid and it would either
piss it off or it would make them not trust me.
So I'm just gonna go ahead with my planing down
to my hammocks, keep sitting up and just lay there
until I go sleep. And the way my hammock is
set up is, you know, tied between two trees, and
I'll throw a have a rope that's tied around the
top of it, and I throw it's hark over it

(14:47):
to kind of cover me up from the ailments and
keep everything off of me. Give me a little bit
of a little bit of cover, right, And so I'm
laying there and if I go back on the audio
or a quarter I can look at it size time
that this happened. But something in about the am, you know,
very very late at night, just takes off through the woods,

(15:08):
running at me. And I mean it is moving fast.
It is really really fast, and it sounds like it's
about the same size as what I'd just seen during
the day. And and the time that it takes me
to lift that tarp up to see this thing because
it because I was like, if it's a bear, it's
attacking me, and I need to get in the same space,
because that's you know, that's what you gotta do. You

(15:29):
gotta at least try to intimidate the intimidator. In this situation,
that's the only chance I've got. And if it's a
big foot, then I'd really like to see it. So
I lift the tarp up and I switched my head
lamp off. I always sleep at the head lamp on,
which sounds weird, but I'm alone out in the middle
of the woods, right, so I want to make sure
I've got a light available, and so I lift that

(15:50):
tarp up and I looked right at this thing with
that light on, and it it By the time that
I was able to do that, I mean we're talking
a matter of seconds. I'm looking down at the ground
and this thing was right next to me. I mean
it was on top of me. I could have reached
out and touched it, but it has jumped to around
where my head is at without.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Missing a beat.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's done this. And I could still see the leaves
falling where it kicked them up right next to me,
and I'm like, okay, it's going around me like this
is definitely not a bear, and I still wanted to
see it. Let's see where this thing is going. And
so I lean over to the other side of a
hammock and I lift it up. This is my right side,
and that takes maybe one to one and a half seconds,

(16:31):
because I have an audio recorder going the whole time,
and I could time it. And within the time that
it took me to lean over and do that, this
thing has covered and I measured it carefully fifty feet
running away from me into the woods, and it's back
behind cover and you could see all the bushes and
everything moving that it's ran through. So I timed it,
and I think the timing was about twenty five to

(16:52):
twenty seven miles an hour. The thing was moving the
whole time, did not miss a beat, did not slow
down once, even when it hit the woods, kept running,
and so it's just going back down through there, and
I'm like, well, that was something, and my heart is racing,
I mean, is absolutely clopping up this point, but left
there's no reason for me to get up and you know,

(17:12):
go walking through the woods or anything like that. I'm
I as a little late here if I'm getting this
kind of activity, and see what happens. And then twenty
minutes later, from the exact direction that that thing was running,
there's a large creek down there and that is where
those wood knocks that I seen you came from. And
it is so loud you feel it through the woods,
and I mean it's I'm talking a football field in
the half away. I think it's my estimate how far

(17:35):
this creek was at that the sound was coming from.
It is so loud that you can all I mean,
I swear you could feel it that far away. It's
the loudest I've ever heard since I've been going out
and I've been going out to the woods doing this
since twenty thirteen, so so that was that was my
first introduction I meet you. But by that point i'd

(17:57):
been you know, i'd had my own experiences and stuff
like that. That was probably like twenty seventeen time frame.
My first real experience was one. You know, I'd been
with the Grays and Highlands, I'd been all over Jinny,
I'd been all over eastern Kennessee. I'd been you know,
through the Smokey's, Georgia places like that, and I didn't
have any luck. And I think that the reason I

(18:18):
wasn't having any luck was I was, you know, kind
of making a lot of mistakes, not being patient enough
picking my area is right, and not listening to the
right things. So the key for me getting my first
experience was actually from Arlo Williams. She told me that
you got to listen to the sounds that they make,
because most of the sounds that they make are imitations,

(18:38):
and they do it really, really, really well. I've got
audio somewhere of one night It's kind of like a
dog barking out in the middle of the woods, and
I'm like, well, this dog is lost out here in
the middle of the woods, and it is definitely going
to die. So I'm going to go try to find it.
And I get up and I start moving in the
direction of this perfect dog bark. I mean, it's not

(18:59):
even it's not even louder. I mean, there's nothing off
about it. But as I start walking towards where this
sound is coming from, you know, it's down on a
creek where they're always had activity coming from that creek,
And all of a sudden, you hear you hear it
choke on its own spit, and it sounds like it
sounds like a very very large old man just down
there choking. And I'm like, that was not a dog.

(19:24):
That's probably the funniest thing I've ever heard of in
the Middlewoods. Yeah, he was doing real good until he
started choking on his own spit.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It really catches you off guard. You know, people will
sit there in debate. I'm past the point of debate
at this point in my journey. You know, like they
imitate animals, like you're saying, they imitate sounds, and uh,
whenever they mess up, that's that's really the only giveaway.
Sometimes as they mess up, but sometimes for whatever reason,

(19:54):
choking on their own spit or they get a little
too excited. They do mess up. And you don't hear
regular animals. You don't hear a dog mess up its bark.
That just doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, dogs don't chalk chok on their spit while they're barking.
They just keep barking. I've heard a whole lot of
dogs bark you I ain't never heard nothing like that.
But uh yeah, but it's you know, stuff like that,
that's what you got to listen out for because usually
and this goes for about everywhere. Now, now this was
how it wasn't the Kaimuchi Mountains and the Kaimuchy Mountains.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
They just get up in your face.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
And they didn't, you know, other than that woodlock, they
didn't make a peep.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
They don't vocalize a lot in Oklahoma, really no.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And it's crazy that the way the differences between areas
of their personalities and of the way that they operate
in the woods is absolutely fascinating. I mean, the the
level of intelligence and I guess the difference and because
they're usually experiencing about the same thing out in the

(20:53):
middle of the woods, but then they behave so differently.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, and it's just that that still.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Blows my mind and I don't understand that at all,
because I mean, it's distinctly different personalities for every single
woods that I've frequented. But yeah, I mean, we're but
getting back to like the sounds that they make. Though
Arla had said, listen for the for the animals in
the woods, you have to be familiar with the animals

(21:19):
in the woods, and you have to understand that a
coyote can only make sounds as loud as a codey's
lungs will will able allow it to do. A bart
out can only make sounds as loud as its lungs
will allow it to do. They can only be so loud.
What's the saying about a bigfoot? Was it a bigfoot?
Is an eight hundred pound creature? Or you a person

(21:41):
or whatever? You know, whatever you believe. I believe that
it's probably some kind of haunted some kind of person
for certain, especially based off of the language and the
intelligence that they have. But they will have a eight
hundred pound barred alcohol if they they let it, If
they just let it go, that's what it sounds like.
And you feel that sound. But it's other than that.

(22:02):
It sounds just like a barred out. It's just that
it's a bar barred out. It's so loud that it
vibrates your bones. Yeah, and so I'm you know, I've
been all over trying to I'm trying to get my
own experiences, and I'm not having a whole lot of luck.
But there's mountains, uh in Virginia. That's as much information
as on it. It's in Virginia and up there on

(22:23):
these mountains. I have a relatives that own cabins up there,
and they'd said, well, we hear things in the woods
that people know that there's big foot up here, because
they'll come up. We'll not though, ding dong get you.
And you know that's a pretty common thing with big foot.
They'll come up, we'll knock any door and they take
off running at night, or there will least stuff out
in your porch. Sure, I'll kind of see them, and

(22:45):
you start you start hearing you know, pretty pretty strange sounds. All.
So I'm like, well, that's obviously this is where I
need to go. So yeah, I pick out. See you're
kind of close to their middle of the woods, total
backcountry kind of deal. That's what I like to do.
And when I get up close to water, of course,
because you got to have that water source. And I
remember the very first experience I ever had with them

(23:08):
was actually the samurai chatter. I didn't realize that at
the time, if that's what it was. But I'm on
fear and I'm in the middle of absolute nowhere, and
I'm but I don't really know that the first time
in here. I'm still getting the lay of the land,
trying to figure it out, just dropping my gear off
that way, I don't have to carry it in the
middle of nowhere every time I do it, and saw
dropping stuff off, and I'm hearing somebody talking right over,

(23:30):
right over basically this cliff right that you saw in
that video you watched it, And they're right there just talking,
and it sounds like a big, booming man's voice and
like a younger, like maybe like an eight or ten
year old boy, and they're just chattering back and forth,
and it is plain as day. It sounds like language.
And I'm like, well, I'm gonna get down low and

(23:51):
try to get up closer to where they're talking, you know,
so I can't be seen, but I want to hear
what they're saying, you know, and it was plainly not English,
but I to me, it sounded just like words. It's
like very well enunciated words, but it's not even if
you couldn't make any of them out, even though I
was pretty close to it, and I just kind of

(24:11):
shrug it off. It's like, you know that I don't.
That's weird, And and I'm gonna I gotta leave, you know,
because I got to work the next day, and that's
a long hike back in there, and so I just
kind of make a note of that and leave, and
I come back a few days later, and it's it's
just on do. So I'm down there during the night
and did and where I had learned. I just learned

(24:34):
from Marla to listen for the owls especially, and she
had recordings of it that she had posted. And and
I hear it off to my right as I'm laying
in the hammock, and it wakes me up. And you
could hear it moving around in the woods over there,
right across this creek that I was, you know, kind
of set up near there's a cliffs for the viewers.

(24:55):
There's some set up down in the woods and there's
a clif about ten feet from me, and it goes
down about eight feet and it actually forms a cave
underneath it. I didn't learn that until way later. And
then you have basically a large pond that's been formed
out of a river by a beaver dam. And then
across from that as where this sound is coming from.

(25:16):
I say large, very densely forested area, but it's especially
densely forested across from that pond over where this hill
is at. But this sound is coming from and it is.
When I say it's loud, I mean you can feel
the air moving from this barred owl. And I'm like,
I've listened to barred owls all my life and that's
not a barred owl. There's no way. And so I know,

(25:37):
but I know because of what she had taught me
to stay awake. You know, this is go time, like
something's about to happen, or you know it's nothing is
going to happen. Now it's gonna happen, and you need
to be listening and fumbly in there. Not but just
a few minutes and something comes down through the woods
the same direction that I came from myself, and it
is on two feet, plaineless days picking its speed up.

(26:00):
It's walked straight for me, I mean. And that's one
of the things that I've noticed about when you're approached
by a bigfoot typically versus when you're approached by a
wild animal, because I've had bear come up and, you know,
right off my backpack because it smelled like a granola
bar and all sorts of stuff like that. Animals hesitate.
The bigfoot don't hesitate at all. Usually they just walk
straight up to you. There's no sneak in the ground,

(26:21):
there's no stopping and looking around. Every time I've had
this happen, they come straight up on you, except for
one time, and I think that one was just messing
with me. So this thing walks right up and I'm
talking like it covers a It's probably got a twice
the stride of what I've got. I mean, it's just
absolutely covering so much ground. And it's not in a

(26:43):
rush at all. It's just calmly walking up to me.
And I'm listening to this and I'm kind of like, well,
that's very like adrenaline punting kind of situation. And I've
got a gun, so I started reaching up for that gun.
Because I'm just gonna pull it down to get it
next to me, because I have the gun hung up
right on top of my head and the hammock, so
I can pull it down if you need to. And

(27:07):
the time that it took that thing to cover about
eighty feet to the time that it took me to
unlash that gun and start pulling it out of that holster,
it was already standing directly next to him. So if
I stuck my hand left right now, I would be
touching this thing wherever what everybody part would be right there,
probably be like a leg I would estimate I would.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Be touching it.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
And it's right on top of me. I mean, I
could accidentally elbow it if I wanted to, Like it's
I don't know why they like getting close like that,
because I mean the kind meats you mountains. They did
the same thing to me. They did the same thing
in the crow Tan and different other areas also encountered.
That seems like a theme. They won't let you look
at on Oh no, they won't let you do that.

(27:47):
As soon as you loose that tarp up you start
moving or anything like that, they take off running with
the E'll stand right there next to you and just
kind of check you out. But you just got to
be still. I figured to get any kind of accidental that.
But this thing is standing there and it's you can
see it because the moon it's full moon, and that

(28:08):
light is coming down through the tarp that I have
set up over top of me. And I'm just laying
on my back now, totally still, like because I don't
want to run this thing off, and I'm not sure
what it's gonna do. I know it's not gonna hurt me,
but I don't know if it's gonna let me see it,
or if it's gonna sit there and start yelling at
me and try to run me out of the woods.
I don't know what's gonna happen. But you can see

(28:30):
its head or the height of it, O est imate
about seven foot twelve. It's and it's blocking out the moon,
and it's bobbing. It's kind of doing you you've heard
up the look when they rock back and forth, ye,
kind of like they get nervous. They do that. That's
what it's doing. It's standing right there next to me
like this, and you can feel the body heat off
of it. It's so close and it's just rocking back

(28:52):
and forth, and it's not making the sound. You can
kind of hear really light breathing just a little bit,
but there's no like grunting. There's no raspiness to it
or anything like that. And uh, and it leans again
a little a little more, a little more than what
it had been leaning, and it just keeps leaning and
it gets right up next to my head, so now

(29:13):
it is definitely looking in, right at the back of
my head, leaning in, and I can feel the heat
of it like hitting me in the face basically, because
it's breathing on me, basically, and it's looking right at
me and looks at me for a few seconds, and
it stands back up, and I'm like, well, that was
pretty interesting. And it has something in its hand and

(29:36):
it did this twice. This one's done this a few times,
and it just sprinkles it on the top of my
tart and just walks off and the whole time. Yeah,
and it's dirt. It's sprinkling dirt on me on top
of my tart. And uh, yeah, I don't know why.
It's just just a weird thing to do, you know, Like,
why would you do that? I guess you think it's

(29:58):
funny or whatever. It's like, yo, bother me. I'm just curious.
I still don't understand in all why this I'm gonna
do stuff like this, but yeah, it walks off the
whole time that bart ow sound is going on down there,
and I'm like, well, okay, so my plan of action
is he just lay here and be as still as possible.
I'm not gonna turn on any lights or anything like that.
I'm just gonna keep seeing what goes on. We'll end

(30:20):
up nodding off because you know, it's just so late
and I'm tired, and uh, here it comes again, same
exact direction, same exact actions that walks right back up
on me. It wakes me up walking and I'm just
laying there. It's like, okay, well, I guess we'll see
what happens this time. And all it does is just
repeats the same exact thing that just did, and including
a sprinkling dirt on my tar because I found out

(30:41):
that it was dirt the next day. And then it
walks off, and uh, I'm like, well, okay, that's fascinating,
but there's nothing really I can do about it because
I'm not gonna go out, you know, shining lights at
him or anything like that. So my best my best
bet for continuing to get things from him like this,
because I want to keep coming up of these woods
for certain as often as I can. And boy I did, man,

(31:03):
I mean it was every weekend. It seemed like any
chance I got even during the week I drive up
there and just spend my time up there in those woods.
After that it walks off, and yeah, I end up
waking up. It probably would have been about ten am,
and it's, you know, kind of a gloomy day and
I'm just laying there and I'm hearing the sound, you know,

(31:23):
coming off again about maybe fifteen feet from me. It's
down down below that cliff, and it sounds like something
standing there and the lone way I can describe it
as something taking a wooden stick and popping it against
a tupperware bowe. So, but it's doing it in a
pattern like like there's an intelligible pattern to it, like
I wouldn't say like musical, but it's like, yeah, you

(31:44):
hear different patterns like the like it's not like that,
but it's you know, it's it is a intelligent pattern
that's repeating the same way as that is. And I'm
laying there listening to this, and I'm like, well, that's
pretty strange. And that's pretty pretty obvious too, Like it's
not real loud, but it's definitely standing right there doing this.

(32:05):
And I'm laying there, got that tart in between, you know,
over top of me, so I can't really thing, like, well,
what I it'd be pretty interesting for me to do
is to try to clap that pattern back to it.
So I'm laying there in about four or five times
we'd go back and forth. I could not clap fast
enough to keep up with a pattern that this thing
was doing. So I try to clap the pattern back

(32:26):
and then it would do another pattern back at me.
It would shift the pattern up, and four or five
times it does this, and I'm like, well, this is
absolutely interesting. I wonder I'd really like to see what's
doing this, because why not? But I'm not gonna, you know,
jump out of the hammock and run over there and
try to look at it, because I know it's just
gonna run away and then and then they might you know,

(32:47):
cut off the interaction. They might not trust me or
something like that, you know, something along those lines will
probably happen. You don't want to come across as neurotic
because they're just so shy and skiddish. It seems like
that you if you if you goof up with them,
I've noticed like if you make a mistake, it might
be three six months before you get interaction.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, once you screw up, it's you might as well
go pack it up and go home. It's it's over.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
You might as well go ahead and find some new
mountains to go look for them in, because they don't
they don't get over it quick, it seems like. But
it's like, I don't want to do that, Like I
know that that's what would happen, because that's what I
was taught, and I learned it the hard way a
few times after that. But uh, you know, because I
started hauling them around the woods, you'd hear a knock
and I'd go running after it, and you don't do that.

(33:35):
So there's a storm coming, you know, there's the thunders
h starting to come up, and you know, I don't
really have any waterproof and gear. I've got electronics out,
got my cell phone, things like that. I can't afford
to lose those things. You know, I don't have the
money to replace them. I was just a meat cutter
back then, and it was I was driving a Ford expedition,
so it took all the money I had just to

(33:55):
be able to drive that thing up with these mountains.
It's getting like negative elevel miles to the gallons. So
so I'm like, well, yeah, one way or another, I've
got to get out of this hand that can start moving.
I'm hearing what sounds like a woman talking, you know,
back deeper in those woods, and it's just she has
a scratchy voice and you hear her back there, uh,

(34:16):
kind of kind of chit chattering, and yet you kind
of holler a little bit, you know, and then she
would it sounded like she would start chattering, and then
you go back to holler. And I'm like, well that's
pretty interesting. But I've got to go. And that was
a pretty good distance from me. And so as soon
as I raise up, I lean down to get my

(34:37):
boots on. I have these big long snake boots on, uh,
and then they're laying right underneath me. That way I
can get amasing. It's not having to walk through the woods,
and uh, I lean down, I grab them. So my
hand just you know, the way I'm leaning, you have
my head and then my hand is about two feet
down and it's holding these boots. And as soon as

(34:57):
I do that, exactly from the direction that thing was
down there tapping there's patterns to me, a rock flies
up and I don't know if it was trying to
hit me in the face. I don't know if this
aim was just this good somehow, even though I had
a tart covering me, it was able to figure this out.
It hits in that two foot window a right below
my head and above my hand. This rock, by the

(35:18):
size of my fist, just slams in. It slams into me.
I mean, it would have noticed the crap out of
me if he hit me and falls down the ground.
And uh. I was like, well, that definitely just happened,
and I'm going to try to see this thing now.
So I ripped that tart up and I walk over
there to that little cliff, you know, that overhang, and
I don't see anything, and uh, and I'm like, well,

(35:38):
it might have just you know, assumed it might have
just either crawled away, because it definitely could have done
that because I did hear something moving or you know,
I don't know what else it could have done. I
didn't realize that there was a cave. I was standing
on top of the cave that could see it about
five you know, pretty good sized people in it. So
I guess all it did was just stuck into the cave.
But the thing is is that for it in order

(35:59):
for it to be able to see me lean up
and grab that boot right to start moving, and to
be able for it to be able to throw that rock,
this is what I'm thinking. It had to have been
over ten foot tall, because that clip was about eight
It is about eight to nine foot up off the

(36:20):
ground that little overhang that I'm standing on, So it's
standing there watching me the whole time, and it had
enough clearance to be able to log that rock at
me as soon as I started moving. So yeah, I
still have that rock everything if they throw at me,
or if they give me or anything like that, because
I've been given you know, turtle shells or a big

(36:41):
one you get like these perfect turtle shells that turn
out in the most random places. But it's somewhere that
it's definitely not a coincidence that it's setting where it's
setting because up in those woods, and you know, also
in Tennessee and things like that. I've got friends that
live on property and they have i mean they've showed
me pictures and everything, some really good pictures of them
that they kind of keep to themselves, and they will

(37:03):
have turtle shells just popping up on like picnic tables
all over the place and things like that. Were the
most perfect turtle shells you've ever seen in life. I mean,
it's just like a picture worthy turtleshells. And I've had
bird nests, you know, I've had one walk up to
me and then it walked off, and the next morning
I looked exactly where it was standing and there was
the bird nest just sitting right there, no trees overheading,

(37:25):
all sorts of stuff like that. But yeah, it's just
been fascinating since then. I mean, of course, you can
have a night like that, I mean, it just really
kicks it in. And it took me a while before
I finally had my first sighting, and it was in
the same woods, it was deeper in them. I remember
it was one of the coldest nights ever that i'd

(37:46):
been out. I mean, it was I think the windshill
is thirty below up there. It's coming pretty pretty bad
winter storm. And of course I double triple and quadrupled
up on clothes and just kept on pushing down into
the woods. And you hear what sounds like a woman yelling,
like it's not like a panic yell, but it's just

(38:07):
like a hauller basically, is how I would describe it.
And by this time I've learned anytime you hear that
like that, that's definitely then and something's about to go down.
And uh, as I'm crest on the top of this
hill that's on the other side of the hill from me,
I know as soon as I get up to that
ridge line, I need to crash down and start scanning

(38:27):
from the direction that it was moving to the direction
that it was going. And that's exactly what I did.
And I'm looking and I, you know, right the left,
and as soon as I get to the left, there's
this rot like I rode a dender and I guess
is what it is bush right here, and this thing
just unfolds out of it. I mean, you've ever seen
I don't know if I can see you the picture
after this, but it's called the Kentucky Bigfoot on a hill. Now,

(38:48):
the side that this was originally posted to was a
blog and it was like the Bigfoot Chicks or something
like that. I think that blog has been taken down,
but it is an error image of that picture. And
I think that that is a picture of one because
you can see the soul that's splitting everything. And I
mean for people, say three and a half to four
foot wide at the shoulder, like that's numbers, but when

(39:11):
you actually see it, it is unbelievably huge. Yeah, it's
just ridiculous, Like it is almost comical how big some
of them are.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
The first sighting I had that same night, I saw
a second one. I'm I'm convinced I saw a second one,
but there's no way for me to prove it. And
it was crazy because I was looking right at it
and it wasn't hiding behind anything. The problem was I
was looking down a hiking trail and this thing was

(39:42):
probably I don't know, thirty y yards back or so
on the trail, standing on the trail, and it was
blocking out the entire trail. But it's nighttime and I
don't have any light source or anything other than the
moon coming through the tree loombs, and I can see
what kind of it looks like something hunched down, ducking

(40:03):
under this tree limb, and very slowly I see the
pad of a humongous foot lift up off the ground
and step very I mean so slow back into the shadows.
And this car started coming down this road. We were
in a park, so it's like a park service road,

(40:23):
and this car's coming and I know the layout of
this park like the back of my hand, so I
know that car is going to come around this corner
up here, and its headlights are going to go across
that trail, and I'm going to see this thing lit
up by those headlights. So I'm just staring down this trail,
and right as those headlights started sweeping through the woods

(40:46):
coming closer, this thing jumps off to the side of
the trail just goes crashing through the woods, just tearing
through there like a bulldozer. And now I can see
that this thing was taking up the entire open of
the trail, and I could see all the way down
it now clear as day, this thing. We went back

(41:06):
later on, because after that I was kind of shaken,
you know, and uh, we took off, but uh, whenever
we came back, I had a night vision scope with me.
Now I came back armed and prepared, and I had
my buddy. I wouldn't do it, but I had him
go down the trail and stand underneath that tree limb.

(41:27):
And this thing had to have been every bit of
ten foot tall, because that tree limb was at least
ten feet tall off the ground, and its head was
right underneath it, and it was kind of duck down
underneath it. And I mean to cover that trail, yeah,
four four and a half feet wide easily at the shoulder,
I mean just massive. It blocked out an entire opening

(41:48):
to a hiking trail.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
It's like looking at a moving barn. Yeah yeah, oh man, Yeah,
that's a I mean that's that's how it is too.
I mean, it's just ridiculous. And I understand why, you know,
people are skeptical about them exists and just based off
of the size of them. It's like, how is that
even possible?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
How does that maneuver through the woods?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know, how's it moving through the woods and how's
it doing it? Quiet?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Why is why? Because I mean the sneak right up
on you. I've had them sneak right up on me.
I mean just in huge ones have done it and
it'll be right there next to you. You didn't hear nothing.
It's just right there.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah. But you know, this one's like.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
About like what you're talking about day. It was shorter
as I was able to measure it based off of
that bush that it just unfolded up out of. I'm
looking at it directly from the back and it's I
think I woke it up because it wakes up and
it's just it's like it's just irritated and sighing, and
you know if you first wake up, you're just kind
of like standing there a little bit kind of rocking
and dr drowsy. And I'm watching it just kind of,

(42:48):
you know, do that. And uh, I could see I
could see it from the waist up. Uh. Never could
see its legs, but I'm looking at the arms in
the back, especially the back and the top of the
head and uh, and I'm just like taking it all in.
I'm like, this was my first one. It's and it's
like it's not seventy feet from me. I mean, it's
right there, and it's just it's just calm, like I said, comically,

(43:11):
white at the shoulders and it's completely covered and like
it's not really like totally long hair. You know, I
would estimate maybe you know, five inches something like that
all over at the longest. Uh. But you know, it's
hard to estimate it because it was all the same
collar and it was the collar of a cardinal. And
I remember the first thing I thought, is, how in
the world are you getting around these woods with all

(43:32):
the hunters that come up through them and not get
shot at. It's like, I know, you've probably had a
hard white being collared like that. Uh. He just kind
of wonders on around the side of the hill real
slow like, and I watch him go, and I followed
him for a bit. You know, I never did uh.
Of course I didn't catch up to you or anything
like that, but I didn't push it very hard. I
knew bear to do that, but that that was the

(43:54):
first one. And I assumed that it was a mill
just based on how the shoulders were. You know, it
kind of kind of a tapered waste. The way he's built,
I mean just not like I wouldn't see it like
a muscled up like a bodybuilt, but just a big
old corn fed corn fed country boy. He kind of
looked to and the best the way I could describe it,

(44:14):
but he was big. And so that was the first
time I ever saw one. And ye, that was that
was mini months after several months at least after I'd
had my first interaction, because I think the first interaction
is what I was describing that first night when they
were just coming down there and they'd just stand right
next to me. That was probably springtime, and this was

(44:36):
like dead of winter like so like January time frame
something like that, when it sat the cold stuff there
and then you carry on. There was another experience that
I had, and this one was really intense. So remember
how I was talking about it seems like every time
they really really really just like getting close to people.
And I think that that's just their way of kind
of showing off.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
To each other. Yeah, Counting Coop, Yeah, Counting Coop.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
That that's the exactly what I call it to count
coup on you, And that's just it's just messing with
you or it's making a game out of it, it
seems like to me. And but when they you know,
when they come walk it up to you, I mean,
it's real confident. They don't hesitate at all. It's just
you just hear walking through the woods and then all
of a sudden it's standing right next to you, or
it's snuck up on you like we were, like I
was talking about, it's right there next to you, and

(45:20):
you hear stick break and the things snuck right up
next to you. And then if you try to lift
that tarp or you move it all it just goes
crashing through the woods. But it makes a lot of
noise if you try to look at it, uh, and
you might see a glimpse of it. But but other
than that, it's just going to be right there next
to you, kind of goofing around or whatever in the
world that's doing. Uh. But uh, this run, this is

(45:42):
the only time that I've ever had on that get
up close to me and it wasn't uh and I
knew it. I knew it was close to me, and
it wasn't being confident. So this one was absolutely massive.
I mean, it's it's coming down through the woods that
same exact direction is that first night. Now this is
months on down. I mean it might have even been

(46:04):
a year after all this kicked off. I'd have to
go and look at my time frame. But this was
after I'd seen my first one. This is after I'd
been having experiences with gifting and things like that that
I really would like to get into on the show, Berease,
I think that some of my ideas could really help
people interact with them and things like that. We'll get
into that later. So I'm having a lot of experiences
and it's really starting to amp up, and you know,

(46:26):
I'm getting better at what I'm doing and things like that,
and I'm getting a lot more confident with them too,
So I don't have any fear of them at all.
And even like in the Kaimichis, which was well after
all this, you know, that was years after all of it,
I never was really afraid of them at all. Like
even when they get up and if face and things
like that, I'm not gonna, you know, do anything to

(46:46):
disrespect them. I'm not going to push any actions, you know,
they if it's clear as they want me to leave
or to not go in a certain area, I'm not
going there. But the same time, there's just you know,
I feel, I feel confident that nothing bad is ever
gonna happen as long as I you know, a suit
with whatever verse suggesting that I do basically, but uh,
but this uh, but this one's coming down that same direction.

(47:09):
And when it would stay it it would take two steps,
and I mean it would sound like a death charge,
just doom, doom, and you would feel it in the ground.
It would shake the ground when it would do this,
and it would and then you would hear it sniff
the ground, and then it would take two more steps doom,
you know, come down through you feel it, sniffs the ground, hesitates,
stays there for a bit, does it again, and repeat

(47:30):
this over and over and over again until it is
directly next to me. And at this time I thought
I was having the trouble with a bear, because a
bear way back in the woods had tore up my
favorite herod to China sleeping Back, which I was super
pissed off about that. And I was like, well, a
big foot would never do something like that. They will
absolutely do stuff like that all the time. They'll they'll
they'll go through your gears shredded, and it's like it

(47:52):
might be younger ones and they really just don't know
what they're doing. I really don't know, but you know,
they'll do for around with your equipment. If you just
leave it out there, it's just no doubt about it.
But I didn't think that, so I thought it was
a bear. So I have convinced myself already before this
thing even started walking down to him here, that this
is a bear, and this bear has come to get me,
and I'm going to have a huge problem with it.

(48:13):
And I have a forty four magnum it's perfect medicine
for trouble bears. So I'm already I'm already in the
wrong mindset for this situation, and I'm getting napped up,
you know, I'm starting you started getting that adrilline pupp
and it's like this thing is right next to me
and this is this is like I'm getting ready to
get attacks, Like it's gonna rip me out of this
hammock and I'm gonna be fighting for my life, and

(48:35):
by then it's gonna be too late for me to
shoot the thing. So I need to go ahead and
jump it, you know, like I need to go ahead
and you know, run this thing off, start running and
gunning at it or whatever I need to do from there,
because this is not a safe situation. Assuming that it
was a bear, which it was, not, which I learned
here in a little bit. So I saw I rip
that tarp up, you know again, turn on my head

(48:55):
lamp which I'm wearing, and I'm looking right for it
just was and you know, just like a litt this cartoon,
it is gone. It has taken back off the direction
that is that it has come from, and it has
done it so fast, like you know, seventy feet I
think is no, it could be. Maybe I'd have to
go measure it. You know, it's maybe fifty sixty feet

(49:15):
something like that to where these down trees are at.
That's where it came from, and it has already busted
through those And I didn't get to see it, but
you could see the branches and everything off of that
downs tree up moving, and of course you heard it
because it sounded, you know, like a war zone. It's
just things moving through the woods. It is absolutely ridiculously huge,
and I mean the weight of it was so heavy

(49:38):
that it would make those cheap trees move that I
was hung up on, and the trees aren't real thick,
but still it was that big that it was, you know,
moving on the ground like that when it was you know,
runing or when it was moving up towards me, and
I'm like, well, yeah, maybe that'd be the last I
heard from this thing. And it's gone. I said, I
keep it in mind, and I'm completely you know, I

(50:00):
kicked myself for that situation now, because that whole time,
I'm hearing rock clack and wood knocks and the hooting
and hollering that you hear typically from a very active
bigfoot area. And when the bigfoots around, you pretty could
pretty well bet that they ain't gonna be mountain lions.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Or bear right, nothing else is around.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
They're not gonna mess around with the big food, all right,
like because because a mountain lion getting after an adult
big foot would be a lot like somebody getting taken
down by a house cat, all right, it's not it's
not gonna happen. So there's animals get out of the
woods when they kind of around, they're not gonna be
close to them. And so this thing runs off. But
I'm not by again. I don't know what was wrong

(50:41):
with me. I'm just crazy and I'm thinking why I
ran that bear off. I guess I'm never gonna have
to see it again. The biggest, the biggest black bear
that's ever existed, like dinosaur sized black bear. Apparently. I
just thought I had a record breaker next to me, apparently.
So it's gone, and I'm like, well, you know, I
gotta go, yeah, relieve myself because I've been drinking too
much water. So I go back up, you know, in

(51:01):
the direction that thing ran off to, because you've got
to get a certain distance away, you know, if all
the proper rules of the woods and you know, not
be leaving any smells or anything like that close to camp.
So go up there and get done to come back,
lay back down. And well, as soon as I lay down,
here comes that thing again, coming right back in that
same direction. I hear it coming up. It's on all

(51:22):
fours the whole time. This thing's interacting the whole time
this thing's moving through the woods. It goes up there
to where I just relieve myself taking a leak, and
it's it's sitting there smelling that like paying attention close
attention to you know what not to you know, my
smell I left. I said, a bigfoot wouldn't do that.
Surely a big foot would never you know, smell where
you'd peete or something like that. They will absolutely do that. Yeah,

(51:46):
will definitely do that. And so this thing again, it
repeats the same exact thing that it had just done,
same exact path, same exact pattern. Two real heavy footsteps,
you know, kind of shoveling through the woods. And then
and then it sniffs the ground. Two heavy footsteps, snits
the ground. Something I have noticed, kind of side note,

(52:08):
is that when when they sniff the ground, when a
bear sniffs the ground, you can kind of hear that
long drawl as that aired. It seems like it's moving
through its snout. At least this is to me, Maybe
I'm crazy. I don't know if you've heard the same thing.
When they do it, it's like a it's like a
person doing it. So it's like a tiny sniff. It's
not like a big braw. So it's that's what I'm hearing.
I'm hearing this thing like snitt on the ground as

(52:30):
if it's coming up close to me. And again it
gets right next to me. A bear wouldn't do that.
Bears don't do craft like that, and they especially don't
do it. And then just sit there right next to you,
and this thing is just right there. It's not moving,
but if it is, so close. Now I'm like, I'm
going to get it this time. Now I'm going to
be sneaky because I'm gonna slowly get the tarf up

(52:52):
and I'm going to get to at least see what
it is. Because now I'm starting to kind of come
down out of that crazy mode and I'm like, that's
pretty weird. And I start lifting the tarp and I
notice when I reach down. When i'm reaching down, I'm
kind I have to push against that tarp to get
down to the bottom of it. The tart stops moving.
I'm touching this thing like it's it's so close. I
have my hands on this thing's side and it is

(53:13):
not moving. So I'm like, okay, well that's pretty crazy.
Let's see if I can rip the tarf up and
get a look at this thing. So I reached down.
I didn't feel any hair because the tark was kind of,
you know, bent in towards me, and it's kind of
just because the way I wrap it up. But I
ripped that tart up and you know, switch my light
on and I look right at this thing and you're

(53:33):
just right next to me. So this is my second sighting,
and this one was a good one. So this thing
is maybe like I mean, when I get eyes on it,
maybe five feet from me, it's down on all fours
and it's starting to just running from me. It's down
all all furs covered in about you know, I mean
probably in some spaces, a footlong, blonde, curly hair. It's

(53:55):
pretty unique looking curly hair. Yeah, curly hair, kid, And
it kind of is it almost like if you were
seeing a Afghan hound. Yeah, that's how private and that's it.
That's kind of what she look like. But it wasn't
quite that shaggy. It was yeah, really something else to

(54:15):
look at. And it's looking right at me. So as
it's turned, it's kind of turned backwards as it's moving
away from me, and uh, looking right at me. Now
I've got my flashlight right on it. So I noticed
as it's turning its head the odd shine. It seemed
like it went green and then it went red. Un
once it's looking straight at me with that light on it.
I don't know if it she's how the light is
or what it is, but I start seeing that red

(54:37):
eye shine. It's looking right at me, and I get
to look at the face and everything had to be
a pretty human looking face kind of it's you know, uh,
pictures like a I think William Ausmusome has some art
on the Kaimuta giants forms and that is spot on
to what I was looking at. And it has gray
skin though dark gray skin. I remember that very well,

(55:00):
and it's really interesting to see the contrast between that
dark skin and that really really blind looking hair. But
it's moving away and it is absolutely massive. Is it
is definitely ten foot tall, It is definitely on all boards,
and it is built. I mean you could see her
that's female because you can see the breast and it's uh,

(55:22):
you could see the lap muscles on its back. Even
through that hair, you could see some muscle definition. I mean,
she was just built. I mean, very impressive h zeke
on this creature. And it's running the way I mean
you can hear the ground like every time her hand
or foot would hit the ground, you feel it and.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Moving pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
And one of the details that I instantly noticed was
the way she moved was just the craziest thing to
look at. And I know, I think you might have
noted it. On some of the shows. You've probably seen
the same thing when they move it as smooth as glass.
I mean, it is aeevable coordination. It's like when you
watch a bear or something like that bounding through the woods,
it kind of has a bounce to it, right, And

(56:08):
did you see it out or something like that? These things?
Every time I've seen one running, it's not like that
at all. It is just like it glides across the ground.
And it is like watching how she moved her arms
and legs to accomplish that feet was wild because her
arms and legs were going all over the place. She's
like maneuvering through, maneuvering away from me, but her back

(56:31):
and head stayed perfectly level, like it's not bouncing at all.
It's just like she's just moving straight back from me.
And so I watched her go through the woods, and
for some reason something it's like my fight or flight
had kicked in, which really sucks because that totally ruined
the whole situation. So I jump out of the hammock
and I've got my gun and I'm putting my gun
right at it, which is not something you should ever

(56:54):
do to one ever, because I thought it was a bear. Yeah,
for some reason, my brain it's just screaming it's a bear.
It's a bear. It's a bear. It's a bear. You
got to go get it. You know, Like this thing
is a problem. And it does not look anything like
a bear. I mean, it has like, you know, a
flat face like a human, looks like a person's got
red eyes, shine. It's a beating feet away from it.

(57:15):
It doesn't look anything like one. But for some reason,
I guess I pure panic, and I realized that I
was freaking out and I was, you know, putting myself
in danger and also putting them in danger by continuing
to be down there. So I just kind of like
gathered some of my stuff and you know, walk back
to the car because I needed to diffuse the situation

(57:36):
because I was going to end up ruining everything that night,
saying I could have shot it. It's a wonder that
I didn't, and you know, thankfully I didn't do anything
like that. But get back up to the car and
I'm laying there and you know, I'm texting some of
my friends. I'm like, this just happened, Like I don't
I don't really know what to do. And still, you know,
now I'm starting to realize, like you're you're out of

(57:57):
your mind, you know, you're fight or flight. That was
definitely not a bear. But I'm not gonna go back
down there just because there's I don't want to, you know,
I feel like I've ruined the situation, you know, like
we talked about earlier, I've made a huge mistake. But there,
but it's down there, and it's down there like clacking
rocks to get like slamming rocks together exactly where i'd

(58:18):
just seen it, like making a racket, like it's trying
to get me to come back out, and do you
hear the foops in the holler and something comes up
to the car and was walking around my car, and
but I just kind of laid there, you know, not
wanting to exacerbate the situation, I guess be the best
way to put it. But after that night, and I
feel like what it was is that that one was

(58:39):
the mom like that's the big alphlet femail or you know,
however you want to put it. And she was trying
to see how I would react in a like a
pressure situation. Because after that moment, I guess she was
thankful that I didn't shoot her. Things started really escalating
down there, like it was I would get activity more frequents.
They were interacting with the stuff that I would leave

(59:00):
out for them way more frequently, and it seemed like
that there's a level of comfort that is definitely not
counting coop kind of situation. That's a you seeing how
you react because they're I mean, they're they have babies,
they have youngsters and family, just like just like us
or any other creature does. And I guess they want
to kind of gut check you every now and then

(59:22):
to make sure that you're not, you know, gonna react
in a very negative way in a pressure situation, Which
makes sense to me that an intelligent creature would do
something like that, And I think gorillas do the same thing.
You know, it's very similar to people that are going
out on expeditions that we have also from what I've read.
Uh but uh, yeah, that so that that's you know,

(59:46):
some of the most intense experiences that I had up therefore.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm a person who's definitely not
an advocate of going out by yourself.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Obviously that that's a choice left up to the individual,
But I will say I don't think those experiences would
have happened that way if you hadn't been by yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, and it's like you gotta kind of It's like
for the viewers, it's like you got to kind of
play it by year, because I like, there's some areas
that I probably wouldn't go to by myself. Obviously, be
very selective about who you bring out with you. They're
definitely does. I don't know, because I have yet to
go out with anybody really except for my dad that
one time, and you know, we had activity, but you know,

(01:00:34):
it wasn't like they were walking up in the camp
with this or anything like say, it's uh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But I mean if somebody if you or you had
had somebody else with you, Like I said, I don't
think you would have been in that situation. But if
you had found yourself in that situation, you don't know
how the other person's going to react. If you had
reacted differently, it would have changed everything. I mean, you
may not be here right now talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah. Yeah, it might have went you know, they might
have shot it, and things could have really been down
south that that happened in numerous different ways. Because they
definitely don't like getting shot. So yeah, that they do
not like getting shot or shot at or having weapons
pointed out, and they do not react very well to that.
So don't recommend that one. Uh but yeah, I don't

(01:01:27):
think that that experience would have happened if somebody else
was there with me. I think that I think that
that one had to have a certain level of comfort
with kind of how things were set up, and then
I had to have a certain level of comfort also
in order for the situation to happen, and it just
kind of it just kind of happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
And this was all in the same general area as
your first experience.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, it was all that was in the same exact,
same exact area. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, I would repeat patterns, you know, I've learned to
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
It's like I try to wear the same clothes, try
to you know, same areas, set up my camp in
the same place. When I leave out gifts, I leave
the gifts out in the same exact place, well hidden
away from everything. Uh yeah, I think that the pattern
Doing that kind of helps, it seems like, build up
a letable of comfort. It also helps me keep track
of everything because it's really easy to get to lose things.

(01:02:20):
Probab leave them up there because it's pretty dense up there.
So but yeah, to be getting the gifts of something
I really wanted to cover because this is something that
viewers can do because the fact of the matter is
is that most of the bigfoot researchers, most people are
interested in the subject that I ran into, and I'm
talking the vast majority that I know, they don't want
to get close to their bigfoot. They don't a lot

(01:02:41):
of them don't even really want to see one except
for under very controlled circumstances. Like they're afraid of them.
And that's fair like they are, you know. I mean
it's like, you know, ten foot tall, you know, a
thousand pounds, you know, animal or person or hair in
the world you want to put it, and it moves
smooth as glass a few ffty miles an hour, as
they've been measured to move in the past. It's a

(01:03:04):
pretty intimidating. And even I'll admit that it's there. They
are intimidating. That just that's a fact. But you can still,
you know, you can get interaction with them. I mean,
most of the stuff that they do is auditory anyway,
and you can get audio recordings things like that. The
something that's worked really well for me, is leaving stuff

(01:03:24):
out in the woods for them. They know they might
not take it immediately. They'll come up and look at it,
and it might be the least two months and then
then all of a sudden it's all gone or they've
moved it or something like that. But if you can
find a toy you can get on You can get
like a Chewbacca doll for like ten dollars on eBay.
I've left those out in the woods and they get
taken almost every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Let's get into the gifting a little bit, like how
did that all start? What was like your first interaction
and everything?

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Okay, yeah, but I can actually cover that story, and
so I'll do like the rundown. So with gifting that
the trick is and this seems to get them comfortable
with people, and this seems across the board. Find something
that looks like them, like like a plush toy or
something like that. It can be anything, and you can
find them cheap, like I said on eBay, and leave
that out in your favorite woods somewhere where nobody, no

(01:04:14):
human is ever going to go and find it, and
we just leave it, just leave it, you know, somewhere
you know you're going to be frequenting that you like
going to like a like an off the trail of
a favorite hiking path near a creek, you know, something
like that would be a really good place to start.
And then laminated pictures. You can get this. You know,

(01:04:34):
you can get a printer, you know, something that can
print pictures, you know, picture paper, and you can get
a laminator like a Scotch Bright laminador or have the
world you want to do it. You can get it
all for maybe like him one hundred hundred fifty dollars,
and just find pictures that you think they would be
interested in. Find pictures that you think is something that's intelligent,

(01:04:55):
that lives out in the list, doesn't have internet, that's
you know, inquisitive and and curious about the world around
it would like to see that it would be curious about.
And uh, just leave them out in the woods, but
in the same place that you leave the toy and
leave them there. And I've gone so far as to
bury the pictures in the ground. And uh, what you
need to be mixed. You need to be absolutely sure

(01:05:17):
that you do this part. You have to video the
order you lay the pictures down. In because even if
you bury those pictures in the ground, they will come
and they will uncover them. They will get them out
and slip through them, and then when they put them
back they're shuffled. They're not in the right order anymore.
Now the top picture will always be the same, I noticed,
but the ones underneath it, they shovel them because they don't.
I guess they're not being that meticulous. Then they'll rebury it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Not a person, not a person, not an animal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Definitely not. And see And the thing about this is
that is a fantastic way to get their hair because
their hair is kind of similar to like the hair
on our head, like it sheds, it falls out, just
the guy kind to have long hair now and how
my hair falls out. But what happening is I think
it's the plastic. It's that material that's that the lamina is.

(01:06:08):
It just so happens to be really good at collecting
the hair, pulled it off up on what it's you know,
when it's falling out a staticky yeah, oh yeah, and
I've gotten the duel. I think it's what it is
has the bulb that has the DNA in it and
all that that's really used to get to DNA. It'll
get that too, and it'll just be sitting there in
between the pains of the pains of pictures. So yeah,
I would really like to see a movement of researchers

(01:06:30):
going out and at least leaving pictures out and seeing
if they have the same experiences that I do. I would, yeah,
dang near begging people to do it because I would
love to see if this works. Because I thought it
up all them on I'm proud of myself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah, I mean years ago down in Paris, Texas, we
were I was kind of a consultant to a long
term research project that was going on on some property.
A lot of people have seen the videos from the
property on MK Davis's channel on YouTube. He eventually got

(01:07:04):
his hands on the videos and posted a bunch of them.
But down there I personally witnessed this happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
There was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
A small tree, it was like a sapling, and it
was kind of by this area where we had set
up a fire pit and everything, and we called it
the Gifting Tree, and that's where we would leave things
to interact with them. A lot of the times there
were other locations that we would do it, but that
was like the main one or whatever, and we had
taken one of the main researchers down there. We took

(01:07:35):
a photograph of him and took a clothespin and just
clipped it onto one of the tree limbs on this
tree and left it there overnight, and the next morning
whenever we came back or whatever, the picture was gone.
But in that clothes pin was a tobacco leaf.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
That is fascinating. Yeah, that is absolutely fascinating. And it
ain't really much doubt and what that was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
No, I mean want to do any exchange it and
use a clothes pin that takes a thumb, you know.
But yeah, they can't confirm. They like photos and pictures
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, Yeah, that that I love that. I won't remember
that story. I'm gonna keep that in my brain housing group.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
True.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Yeah, definitely, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
But I've never heard about anybody burying the stuff and
them unbearing it and then reburying it. That's that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah, because I get I get pretty paranoid and it's like, yeah,
you can I pick? Can I pick some wood? If
I'm gonna frequent them. It's the middle of freaking nowhere.
But I still get paranoid, you know, because I'm trying to, yeah,
rule out any possible interference of any other creature, people,
anything like that, Right, So I'll get I'll do stuff
like that. Sometimes I'll just bury my stuff or I'll

(01:08:52):
hide to hide it, like in the middle of the bush,
and it doesn't seem to It's like they're always watching you.
And that's one of the first things I was taught by,
like Robert Morgan and people like Arlo Williams, was that
they are always watching you. Just go ahead and just
go ahead and get in that mindset when you're out
there and kind of roll with that because you can
you can pretty well be it. If you're out chopping

(01:09:14):
around the middle of the woods and you're the only
person there, you probably got some attention on you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, I mean, I guess you could randomly drive down
the road and just hop out of the truck real
fast and running about thirty feet and do something to
run back to the truck. But no, if you're frequenting
an area and making yourself known and actually spending time there,
like you're saying, if they're in the area, it seems
to be there's at least one that has its eyes

(01:09:40):
on you at all times.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Yep, yep, and it doesn't matter day you're not. It
seems like that that's how it was, because I mean
i've had any experiences during the day, it's akin. They're
definitely way more active during the night, There's no doubt
about that. But the day, I've not had a whole
lot of trouble having interactions with and doing that. But
ye know, the gift to the pictures, I definitely do

(01:10:04):
want to see. I mean, I'll ship pictures to people
and they can leave it out in their favorite woods
because I just want to see if it works and
if it starts getting hairs. I mean, we can use that,
you know for I guess discovery or whatever to learn
more about them, because I know there's being projects that
have gone on, and a lot of them they either
really really struggle or they totally fail trying to get

(01:10:25):
the DNA. It's so hard to do, and it's because
of the nature of this community, the Bigfoot community. There's
so much infighting, there's so much ego, it seems like
in it it's just hard to get anything done.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
You've talked about them rearranging the pictures and taking things.
Have you experienced any trading taking place? Are they leaving
objects for you after they take something?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
So they've never so in the gifting areas that I
set up, at least that I've noticed, they've never left
anything there. But I have had stuff gifted to me.
It was actually this is this was actually before that
second sighting. This happened. This was when I made one
of my mistakes. Right, that's where you're just like chasing

(01:11:11):
them around the woods. Don't do that. I mean you can,
but there's gonna be repercussions for it. Either they're gonna
get really mad at you and they're going to try
to run you out of the woods, or they're just
gonna start ignoring you, which is what happened to me.
But but there was one time that I was doing that.
This is during the day, and I'm hearing knocks, Like
there's no doubt about it. I'm hearing knocks and they're

(01:11:32):
not that far from either, They're just out of you,
and I'm like, well, I'm gonna just follow it. I'm
gonna take all my stuff off, my gun and everything,
and I want to just start following them that sound
and just see what happens, you know, because maybe they'll
let me see it or something like that, because otherwise,
you know, what else? What else am I supposed to
do with that? Right, I'm here knocks, I'm as we'll
follow it. And so I following it, and I would

(01:11:54):
get to horror I had heard it the not coming
from and then you would hear it about the same
distance away again behind cover her knocking again. Well I
just kept doing that, Yeah, just repeating this pattern, following
this thing through the woods, and it's basically leading me
on during this is broad daylight. And eventually I come
I do come by a stump and it's a it's

(01:12:16):
a stump just in the middle of the woods with
a perfect turtle shell sitting right on top of it.
And and and that was I've heard the knock coming
from there, uh like just moments before. So I think
that I've had gifts given to me that way, uh
just just then kind of leading me to it, or
I have had them come up to where I'm sleeping

(01:12:37):
and leading me stuff. Also that happened in the Kaymy
She's actually it's like they can be really fun to
interact with. And the Kymy She's they're just really really
really bracing and brave. It's like I've heard of them,
Like there was a story somewhere. I'd have to go
back and look at it exactly. He was talking about it.
But there was one that was like a younger girl.
One she was like six foot tall maybe something like that,

(01:12:59):
and she like ding dong ditch people and falling back
to their house and knock on the door and run off,
which you know, they they just seem to like doing
stuff like that anyway. But she would find researchers out
in the woods, so she was familiar with them, and
she would unslip their tent and pull them out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
She wouldn't hurt them, no, no, no, not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, she would do it. And she would just stand
there and look at them and just walk off. And
they said, you know, like like something's on zipping my tent.
It's like they were familiar, you know, they those big
foot there and they've seen her before and they kind
of know how the bigfoot are in the area. And
so he said, assume. As I saw the arm come in,
I was like, okay, I'm fine, like you know this whatever,
you know, and she just grabbed him by the pants

(01:13:41):
and just pulled him out and stood there, looked at
and walked off. It's like, that's terrifying. It's funny as
long as you know what it is and it's not
gonna hurt you. But it still is like, oh yeah,
that's a brown pants moment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Yeah. I was laying there one night and heard the
tin on zip in the middle of the night. Instantly
woke up, just terrified, waiting for that big hairy arm
to reach in and the flap kind of pulled back
on the tent and a raccoon walked in. Yep, raccoons too,
And that's when I learned the valuable lesson of taking

(01:14:12):
my boot laces and tying the zippers closed at night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Yep, tie the zippers closed or moved the zippers to
the top of the tents. Yeah, if it's a tint,
it's able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
But yeah, I mean, raccoons will definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
I made a joke after my tint getting raided by
the raccoons a couple of times that it was actually
bigfoot just grabbing them and dipping their feet in mud
and used them like a rubber stamper. All over the
tent to make me think that it was raccoons doing it, super.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Clever, big suit. Yeah, I don't know if I'd rather
have a big sooot reach in and grab me in
my tent or a raccoon in it with me, I
don't know which i'd trust more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah, I'm telling you, whenever you're inside a tent with
a raccoon, they get kind of scary real fast. Like
this might not be a great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah, raccoons. Raccoons can get three aggressive when they get
the corner. Then it might interpret that is harder, even
though it did it to itself. Yeah, oh man, that's
that's funny. But yeah, I had to I mean, even
the communities I had gifts given to me, you know.
And that that was the second time I went back
a few years ago. So back in my twenty twenty one,

(01:15:16):
I was up there a little and you don't really
have a lot of activity that night at all, but
there were hunters out, you know, in the woods, you know,
not in exactly where I was at, but there were hunters,
and I guess that kind of quiets things down for sure. Yeah,
because I know those people out there that would like
to shoot one, which I don't really agree with, but whatever,

(01:15:38):
I don't agree with it at all. But they Yeah,
something came up right right in front of my tents
on the all fours. It sounded like and it wasn't
real big comes up and out of the woods. It
gets right there and uh walks off. You know, I
don't know at the time, I didn't know what it
was doing, but I took a video of the whole

(01:15:59):
outing right, there's a go pro video and I remember
I'm going back on the video. As soon as I
saw this. I woke up in the morning. I look
down this perfect bird's nest just right there in front
of the tents, right for that thing and stopped and left.
So it just came out of the bwist gave it
to me because it wasn't there just a few hours before.

(01:16:21):
So they can be friendly there too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah. I just I've always wondered. I mean, as humans,
you know, we put human words and human reasons on
things a lot of times, and gifting has always been
one of those things. That's just what we're you know,
it's gifting, that's how we view it. But I've always
wondered if it means something different to them, like if
there's a message behind it that we just don't understand,

(01:16:45):
or if they're just doing it as a gift, or
if they're doing it just to watch and see how
we react to it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Yeah, I think that I go through my thoughts, still
go through the same exact thing as you are, and
I think the same things like what are they doing
is or some kind of message to it, because I
think the most frequent one, right, And you could correct
me if I'm wrong, or if you've noticed something. It's
pine combs. I don't know what theirction is with with
leaving piles of pine combs on people's porches or giving

(01:17:14):
it to people or whatever. I don't know what that is,
but that is definitely a thing. It seems like, yeah, piles,
it's weird. It's they seem to be numbers register with
them for some reason. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Someday,
maybe we'll figure out some sort of miracle cure or

(01:17:36):
something from pine combs and we just didn't know what
they've been trying to tell us the whole time, or.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Maybe they make a great tea or something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Yeah, that's definitely something that I've had happened and I've
seen it a lot around here though, like because I
have some friends that own property that have interactions with
them and they get piles of turtle shells, like just
they did. It's like they'll come out one day and
there's a turtle to come out. Two days later, there's
three of them, and it just sort of depends, I
guess on how many turtle shells they.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Have, I know, done in Texas, I've heard a lot
of stuff about feathers. I haven't ran across too much
feather stuff in Oklahoma. Oklahoma, it just seems to be
more like just rocks a lot of the time. But
we got a lot of rocks, so that makes sense.
I've also heard of a like little muscle shells, like

(01:18:26):
those little freshwater muscles. But yeah, the numbers things, you know,
sometimes it's just one, but oftentimes it's like a collection
of things, it seems, and it's always the same item.
It's not like a bunch of random items or anything
like you would expect, you know, from an animal or something. Yeah,

(01:18:46):
I've noticed that too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
It's usually the same thing, and it could be it
could be five of them, could be one of them,
could be ten of them. It's always seems like exact
thing and they.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Just give it to you in groups. Well, with the
numbers thing, it seems like sometimes if you leave multiple items,
like if you leave five items out, they'll take like
two of them, but they won't take all of them.
But if you just leave like one item out, then
they'll just take it. Yep, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
I have noticed that, And sometimes they won't take anything
at all. Sometimes they take all of it, but a
lot of times they won't take everything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Yeah, especially if it's they seem to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Be really shy. The ones that I've interacted with, you know,
just in different areas, they seem to be more shy
about taking food than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I don't know what to deal with with that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
You think that they just run off with it when
it's obvious and I'm leaving it out for them because
I remember, this was some of my very first experiences
with them up on those mountains. So this is, of course,
this is after that first night, because that first night,
that was the first night. But after that, you know,
after that experience with the one walking up to me
and sprinkling dirt on top of my tart tart, I'm like, well,

(01:19:56):
I've got to figure out how to really amp this up.
You know, I've got a good thing going for me.
I need to, you know, start thinking about what to
leave out for them and things like that and see
where this can go. And I would what I would do,
and was I take a tup where a bowl and
I'd filled up with the organic apples and you know,
just really bougie peanut butter, and uh had to have
like a dozen of them out in the woods. And

(01:20:17):
I wouldn't put I wouldn't attach the lid to it.
What I would do is I would actually take a
bandana and tie the lid to it so the lid's
not really fastened. What I was wanting to look The
reason I was doing that was I wanted to see
would the bulls get completely taken away, would they be
shredded by an animal out in the middle of the woods,
would they have a little back marks in them with

(01:20:37):
something like take the lid off and run off with it,
Like what's going to happen? Right, I'm trying to get
data basically because I'm curious to just to see what's
going to happen. And that stuff was expensive too, so
I wanted to make sure I got the most out
of it. And I remember the first set I left
up there, man, something like two of the bowls were gone,
vanished and never saw them again. And I've had people

(01:20:59):
tell me that, well, bear's been up there and they
ate the whole bowl plastic at all. And I'm not
sure about that. I'm not sure bears would actually do
that because that just sounds really nasty and that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Makes zero sense to me that they would eat the
plastic bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Yeah, because I mean we have bears that come up
to my parents' house, and I mean they don't eat
the plastic bowl. They just look it out. Now, I've
never seen them just like eat like stuff that obviously
shouldn't be eaten, like a chin can or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
I also don't notice them like taking the item and
hauling it off some other place and eating it. I
mean if it's like a kill or something like that.
But like I don't know about like a plastic bowl,
Like why would they carry that off?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yeah, because I mean a bear doesn't really feel unsafe
when it's eating, right, like some sodi's or something might
do that. I've seen it done. They don't go far
with it because I mean, they don't have thumbs. How
they're gonna carry it. Yeah, it's not eating stuff. Uh
but yeah, it's like that's so like two of them
are gone. Yeah, just like what you're talking about, Like
they didn't take everything, but the less the rest of them.

(01:22:03):
See this is worth crazy, is that up in those
mountains there's bear there because I run into them, you know,
fairly frequently, these bears, And I mean they range from like,
you know, maybe two hundred and two hundred and fifty
pounds to like four hundred and fifty pounds up there
in those mountains. I mean they've caught them over five
hundred pounds up there before. Because everything up there is huge,
the deer huge, the swirls roams as big as a

(01:22:24):
house cat. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Everything up there flourishes.
But so I'm assuming that like at least the foods,
the food's definitely gonna get eat it's fu I'm thinking
didn't get touched. Only two of the bowls out of
wellve were taken, and then the rest of them just
sat there rot. And I mean, and I know there's
bear up there that would you should have eaten it?
It defies logic that those bulls touched that blew my

(01:22:48):
mind and and I was getting that was certainly interesting.
And I guess that, you know, maybe the big foot
at the marked territory or something like that, and animals
would not have anything to do with it, because I
took pictures of the bulls and here each bowl to
its picture, and i'd originally set it down, and not
even a squirrel or anything would touch it. If all
I had to do is just push the lid off
and get into it, nothing would touch anything. So that

(01:23:12):
stuff just went bad. But I was still brainstorming ideas.
And this is the first time I ever gave on
something and they took it that was like not food,
right that I'd like. It was definitely then that took it,
because that's the only thing that would have been interested
in this. And it's this little roaring Chewbacca toy used
to be a truck driver. So if you took this
Chewbacca toy, it was maybe you know, five inches tall

(01:23:34):
or something like that. It kind of looks like a
really really messed up big foot, right, kind of have
like a messed up, deformed looking face, which made it
cute if you if you shake it, it roars, which
I just thought was the goofiest thing ever. And I
realized that I had that, I'm like, wow, I should
just leave that out there because it kind of looks
like a really deformed foot. And I put it in

(01:23:55):
a bowl and and up there on that cliff that
I was talking about, you know that well that eight
to nine what drop off is right above that cave.
I'll leave it up there and at least some crystals
and pretty stuff out, you know, because they seem to
like jewelry and mirrors and crystals. Crystals are a weird
one because I've left out all sorts of different shapes
of crystals because I'm really good at finding them, finding
them on eBay, and they have a specific affinity for

(01:24:19):
pyramid shaped crystals, so leave the other ones alone. But
they will take that pyrameded sized crystal and they will
just run off with it. And you yeah, now I've
had one. It turned up next to my car like
it's gone. Didn't see it again for like a year,
and I'm like, well, they just took it, and I'm
glad they took it, you know, because that's what I
got it for. And then no joke up there next

(01:24:40):
to my car one day, it's just sitting there. See
they just brought it back. It's like, okay, so I
don't know what that's about, but I'll keep it. I
still have that thing somewhere. That was one of my
definitely keep that forevery kind of thing that was very
interesting that they did that. But it was specifically only
and this is the crow tan, this is where gi
and this is the Kayamichi's also specifically of the pyramid

(01:25:05):
shaped crystal that they just like it. I guess I
don't know, but uh, you know that Bigfoot doll though,
I'll leave that thing up there or not, you know,
Chewbacca doll. If I say Bigfoot, because I got big
Foot on the line, right, I'll leave it up there.
You know, I'll go I have to work that day,
so I'll drive off and you know, I figure out.

(01:25:25):
I want you want to see what happened that thing,
because you know, once you leave something like that out,
it just kind of you got to find out as
soon as possible if it's going to get taken right
some I drive all the way back up there. I
mean it's like an hour or thirty minute drive to
get up there. And that's that's even before the hike starts.
So it takes a little bit to give back here,
but I'm determined, and uh, and I also I have

(01:25:45):
to work the next day, so I got to be fast.
So when I got back down in there, and I'm looking,
you know, taking the food bowls as I'm going down
through these through the woods because they're kind of scattered
all over the place. It's sort of the way I
did it, and uh, they're not bothered at all, of course.
And and then I go down to where I've left
those little crystals and you know, the juge Chewbacca toy,

(01:26:07):
and only the Chewbacca toy is gone, and my jaw
instantly hits the ground because I was not expecting that
at all, and I'm looking down at it and it's
broad daylight. I'm just standing there like dumbfounded, and I'm
like trying to trying to reason away, like what could
have happened to that? Maybe a bird took it and
like pushed it off the side of that little see

(01:26:28):
if for something, I gotta go down there and make
sure that it's not down there, and you know, just
kind of running through the auctions, and uh, as soon
as I look up, uh, and I start to like
turn away. I start to turn the walk away so
I can go down there and check to see if
the if the Chewbacca is sitting down there. I hear
like three very very loud knocks coming from that hill

(01:26:52):
across from the pond.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Right just boom boom booom.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
I mean, it just sounds like explosions basically. And of course,
now now I know what it was, and now I
am very excited because I definitely didn't expect that. I
already wasn't expecting the situation at all, and so of
course I'm like, all right, what do I do?

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
And what do I do?

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
I got to do something back, and I'm looking and
I find some rocks and you know, I you know, one,
two three with the rocks, right, and you know, they
don't give me anything back from that, And then like,
well that was super cool, right, So I'm going to
go down here and see if I can figure out
how to get over to those woods. And I still
have yet to figure out how to you know, get
in it without crawling on my belly basically because it's

(01:27:34):
so thick, the brush and everything is so big getting
back in there. And I managed to crawl down to
where that's the bottom of that cliff right that a
foot drop, and that's when I realized it's a cave.
You know, it's just a big cave. It doesn't go
back far, but it's big enough. You could fit about
five people, like I said earlier, and you know, there's

(01:27:55):
nothing down there. And one thing I noticed is I
was them down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
You know, I got that fill in the creek as
I was getting to that where that cables at because
I thought that it I thought it was uh, not
as deep as it was, and I jumped in. It
went right it just right in almost and so I
noticed that the face plant and uh and uh, I
smell something now I remember it is And this is
something I've noticed with the big feelt like everybody talks

(01:28:22):
about the smell. The smell is not consistent at all.
Some of them have kind of don't smell good. They
just don't. It smells like a and you know, you
can't put it this way, but it smells like a
big fart walk walking around. And so that's what this uh.
And I would notice this one every now and then
throughout the years, uh, that you you would smell this.
You hear something walking sometimes and you would smell it. Uh.

(01:28:44):
A lot of them especially, it seems like in the
middle of the woods, they don't really have much of
a smell at all. It smells almost like a like
a horse or like a kind of like a person,
almost like somebody that just worked out. It's not a
bad smell. It's not like over powering or anything. And
I wondered, and Robert Morgan actually pointed this out. It's

(01:29:04):
like they've been seeing you know, just like like old
time hunters like that, kind of purposely making themselves smell
like their prey or purposely masking their sense. And he's
seeing them do it with like dead animals, skunk. I mean,
they've been observed taking the glands out of skunks and
you know, basically wiped it all over them. So I

(01:29:26):
think that the bad smell usually is on purpose, and
they don't. It's not like a consistent thing at all. Right,
but this one smelled. He definitely smelled, and you know,
I just kind of take notes, like when I'm smelling that, well,
that's kind of okay, yeah, noted, And go over there.
Check that out. There's Chuboca toys nowhere to be found.
Of course it's not. They just acknowledged that they took it,

(01:29:48):
which is incredible, right, I mean that just mind blowing that,
you know, that level of first paying attention to me
coming down the woods like that, and then also that
level of intelligence to do that. Uh. So I'm come
back up and have to come back the same way
I didn't follow this time in the in the creek,
which is nice. And I go back up and I'm like, well,

(01:30:09):
you know, I might as well because it's getting dark.
I don't have a flashlight. It's uh, you know, I've
got to work the next morning, so I've got to,
you know, really book it to get out of there,
so I'm not gonna be too war off of work. Like, well,
I'll go up here and I'll do some more knocks, right, Uh,
at least I can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
So I go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
If they're standing on the same exact spot on top
of that cliff or cave or out of the world
you want to put it, and I do you know
one two three with those rocks, you know, knocks and uh,
right exactly where I smelled that smell, right where I
had fallen in the creek, right there, like hidden behind
a bush comes that same three again, three knocks, but

(01:30:47):
the same sound. There's those huge explosive knocks. It sounds
like rocks being like fifty pounds, boulders being slammed together.
It's the best way I can put it. One, two, three,
And now I'm elated and you're like, oh, that was
just the greatest thing. And you know, tried it again.
They don't give me anything, and I'm like, well, I
couldn't go down there and see if it'll let me
see it. It's definitely not gonna let me see it.
I know better, So I just went ahead and left

(01:31:08):
and kind of called it, called it a day. From that.
That was my first experience with gifting with one of them,
and that was absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Yeah, perhaps more people don't do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
It, because it seems like a lot of researchers, even
very good researchers, I know, they don't do it. They
don't like leave stuff out like that to kind of
see how they react to it. They just kind of
go through the woods and try to run into one. Yeah,
you might be lucky with that. They might be mad
at you trying it too, But yeah, that that one again,

(01:31:41):
I mean there's just so many stories and so many
experiences that it is just gonna stick with me forever,
and I don't think I'll ever put it down, especially
after just some of the stuff that I've had had
one off there. It's just so interesting. Yeah, I've definitely
been bit by the booger bug. If you tip no
cure for it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
If you've had your own encounter that you'd like to share,
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