Ep:168 Bigfoot Destiny

Are some people destined to have bigfoot encounters? Kel joins me to talk about his bigfoot sighting and experiences, and how his interest in sasquatch may have been a premonition of things to come.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was looking ahead driving my car, and as I
passed closer to this swamp, I saw something out of
the corner of my left eye. It moved really fast.
I saw some motion. I saw a figure standing on
the left side of the road kind of moved around
a little bit, faced me head on, looking at me.
And then right before when it got to the woods

(00:22):
on the right hand side, it stopped, and then it
turned and faced me again, and I locked eyes with
it probably two or three seconds, it felt like forever.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Just to start us off, how did you get involved
and interested in the subject of Bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, growing up in Virginia. When I was in elementary school,
I remembered I got a book from the library and
it had some things, not just Bigfoot, but I became
interested in you, oh, some of this stuff might be real,
you know. I had some Bigfoot books and you know,
lockness monster our research or not research, but I read

(01:35):
books on it when I was a kid, for aliens,
all kinds of psychics, all that stuff, and I thought
it was interesting. And then I remember seeing like the
Patterson Gimlin film, and I had these big Foot books
and I read them so many times I could, you know,
probably remember lots of the stories from them, and they

(01:55):
fell apart and my parents taped them back together with
some and but yes, but I had never I've always
been interested in that stuff, and I've had some other
little I guess, like maybe psychic experiences or things like that.
I think in a lot of those books, I was
more under the impression that Bigfoot was more in the

(02:16):
Pacific Northwest or out west, although I did know about,
you know, like some things in Florida, and I just thought,
maybe Bigfoot in Virginia. Maybe maybe that's you know, maybe
it happened sometimes or whatever. But back in the nineties,
when I from the Internet first came out, I saw
I found a story about a guy from Virginia who

(02:38):
had seen un in Virginia. So then it got me thinking, oh, well,
maybe maybe bigfoots are in Virginia, which is where I
lived at the time. I grew up in central Virginia.
So years later I went to my first bigfoot conference.
I think it was back in it was before I
came here, so it's been over fifteen years ago. And
I met that guy at a bigfoot conference, the one
in from Virginia. And then it leads me to where

(03:02):
I am now, when I came to North Carolinas, where
I had my fighting. But I personally I believe in
it because too many people have seen them and you know,
the too many witnesses. And then I didn't have my
first excite, you know, encounter till I came to North Carolina.

(03:22):
But that's how I first became interested in it.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
That's kind of a really neat story in a lot
of ways, pretty similar to my own with the growing
up and reading the books. And I tell people, back
before the internet, whenever your only resources for this sort
of thing were books, all those subjects kind of got
mixed in together, and we're in the same books and
sold in the same sections and at the same sections

(03:46):
in the library and everything. So you didn't end up
just reading about bigfoot. You ended up reading about all
kinds of stuff. And that's really neat. I was kind
of more into ghost stuff personally whenever I would younger,
and yeah, you know, I had, like you're saying, I
had a couple of books on bigfoot and it really

(04:07):
interested me and everything. But I was from Oklahoma, and
like you, I thought it was just you know, oh, well,
that's kind of a thing out there in the Pacific Northwest,
you know, it's probably not even here or anything. It
wasn't until the Internet that my eyes were opened to
the fact that these things are seen everywhere, it seems,
not just in the Pacific Northwest. So that's really neat

(04:29):
that you you know, read about a guy in Virginia
and then actually got to meet him. What was that
like that conversation.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think the actual conference, but it was funny because
it was in West Virginia. So I think there was
a mix up on the internet and I thought it
was one date you no, and I think I can't remember,
but I think I called it this is it this
weekend or is it the next So I drove all
that time. When I got there, I found out I
probably drove four hours or something five hours or when

(04:59):
I got there, I found out, oh no, no, no,
that's somebody else. Can it's next weekend? So and they
said they said, I wasn't the first that came here
and drove all that. Uh. I came back the next
weekend because I wanted to go to it. I drove
out of the way because I had heard about this
guy having a sighting up in Culpepper Virginia was kind

(05:22):
of northern Virginia, not too far from where I grew up. Uh,
But but I got I went. I went to see
it was another guy I was an expert on wildlife,
talking about bigfoot. And then this other guy who I
had read about, you know, I'd heard his story. He
happened to be there because he went to see it too.
So I got to meet him, and uh, he showed

(05:44):
me he was with another guy. They showed me I
think a twelve inch footprint cast. I think it was
from Maryland. It's a famous case from Maryland. I don't
know if it was back in the eighties or the seventies.
If you say the name, I'll know it. But I
can't think of it off the top of my head.
And but he showed me that it was a small

(06:06):
footprint cast. But but you know, that was it was
great getting to meet hum, I think, and then I
think later on, I'm going to tell him about my fighting,
but I think he had he had passed away a
couple of you know, I don't know how long it's
been now a few years ago now, but.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That was enough to really uh get you going on
the idea of going out and looking for these things
or how involved in it were you at that point.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I would say I would be interested in looking for him,
but it was more like more of an on chair thing,
you know. I would sit back and I don't know
if podcasts were around too much back then, but I
would read books. If I heard something on the internet,
you know, and I found out this happened to find
this thing, I would have gone out and looked for

(06:54):
a big front. Only problem was I didn't know a
lot of people back then who had, you know, who
had seen a big foot. People certainly didn't talk about it,
and I knew about people in books, but at that
time I wasn't out, actually, you know, in the woods

(07:16):
looking for a big foot. But you know, but as
a kid, I grew up on a farm in central
Virginia and we had a lot of woods around, so
I had been in the woods a lot, you know,
and I enjoyed taking hikes and such, and you know,
wondering Even when I was a kid, I was wondering,
you know, if there was a big foot around. But

(07:37):
later on, as I got older, I was kind of thought, well,
maybe there's not not any big foots around, you know,
maybe they're out more West or something. But yeah, I
hadn't they started looking for him as an adult at
that point in my life because and I didn't have
anywhere to go either, like it wasn't really a I
guess a state park close or I didn't really have time.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, what got you past that hump? What got you
to go out into the woods and seek these things out?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
So, as I said before, I didn't know about anyone
around me who had seen a bigfoot. So when I
moved here to North Carolina, I think was about twenty ten,
so I had been here, you know, a few years,
and I will say it's not the place where typically

(08:29):
and of course i'll tell you later there's some things
about bigfoot that I thought, which later on proof can
either not totally be true. So I've come around, you know,
full circle in my beliefs or expectations. But I was
I think it was around. It wasn't. My sighting was

(08:49):
in twenty seventeen, so it was a couple of years
before that. I was working at a school and I
saw something I don't know, I had to look at
the newspaper or something, and it was something about, uh,
strange footprints found at Medock Mountain State Park. So I

(09:11):
did go to that state park, I think one before.
When I was here, I just stopped by the ranger station.
I didn't really go into the wood, but I knew
where it was. And then I kind of saw that
and kind of forgot about it. So I guess I
think that was a lout of February of one year.

(09:32):
So the next I'm talking from it, I'm saying, screw year,
I'm a teacher, but I'm thinking about a year later.
I saw seeing something on Facebook about a lady seeing
a bigfoot down in the town of Littleton, North Carolina,
which is in uh Halifax County to the Western Park,

(09:53):
and so I was like, oh, my god, somebody somebody
actually fall before that was my first experien around the area,
and I researched this story. I found it, like, I
think on the internet or something. It was in the
newspaper I believe. Oh, you can find it on YouTube
if you look at it. And looking in Littleton was

(10:13):
the lady who had seen a big foot in her
backyard one morning. After I found out about this, I
kind of researched on the internet and I found out
that I don't know not long after, there was this
museum that opened up. It's still their day, only in
a different building. It was down in Littleton, and I

(10:36):
found out that. So I went down there, you know,
to find out. I went to this museum and I
met the you know, the owner and now I've gone
out with the owner you know, and some other people
on Bigfoot expedition. But I went there and I would
kind of find out about this Bigfoot that people had
been And then when I met these other couple of

(10:57):
people there and they would tell me about they had
had a fighting, yeah in Virginia, back in on the
eastern part of Virginia. I don't know when, but they
said multiple people in the van had seen it. So
that got my hopes up. Okay, maybe there is something
out there. So when I left the museum, you know,
I drove up this road that was right behind the museum. Coincidentally,

(11:20):
like probably island that probably one hundred hundred and fifty
yard back, that's where the Bigfoot was seen. It had
come up into the Ladies town right radio Lady's Yard,
right on the edge of going out of the town.
So I started that summer when I had a little
vac time off. I was under the impression that bigfoot

(11:41):
probably comes out mostly in nighttime. I don't know. I
figured they were nocturnal so well. I remembered a couple
of mornings, probably at five o'clock, I would drive my
car up towards Littleton and drive it up that road,
just wondering if a bigfoot would show itself. I never
saw anything, so it wasn't until so it was about

(12:01):
a year and a half because the ladies sighting in
her yard was I think around January. So it was
a year and a half later that I went. I
just I made it, uh and I made it in
my mind. I said, I'm gonna go ahead because the
new school year is starting. Vaccine. It was in August,

(12:22):
and I said, I'm going to go up to Meadock
Mountain State Park. And the reason I chose this area
it was because when they had found those tracks before,
and I found out more information about it by that
time from the people at the museum, the Paranormal Cryptosology Museum.
I found out some of those reports from meadyk Mountain

(12:44):
State Park into show like something with ears on top
of his head walking up right. Some people said it
was like a dog man a werewolf, and they had
some tracks at the museum that were three they cast
at that one of those sightings, it was had three
three claws on it and some were what I understand

(13:05):
to be your standard bigfoot. So I decided to go
up there in August and I took my I said,
what am I gonna do? Walk in the woods and
expect to see a big foot? I had I've got
to do something like they did on television. I've seen
big foot shows on television and I saw, you know,
people fried bacon, people sing, people play instruments, and I said,
what can I do? And I'm I was a percussionist

(13:28):
of you know, playing drums and everything in high school
and band. So I'd gotten a Native American flute a
few years ago, two of them, and I learned how
to play some songs on it. So I said, why
don't I just go into the woods, you know, and
if I don't see any bigfoot, I can take my
fleet and play some songs. Maybe that'll maybe that I

(13:49):
was under the oppression. I said, maybe that will attract
a bigfoot. And I got that in I got that
idea from watching on a big foot show. Uh, there
was this. I'm Notative American, but there was a guy
on there, I think, playing a flute and a Native
American playing a flute, and they were talking about how
a big foot showed up. So I figured i'd do that.

(14:10):
So when we go ahead and tell you what happened.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I'm really interested in this story because I too
have taken a Native American flute out into the woods
and played it trying to see if a bigfoot would
be drawn in by it.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
So it was I don't know the date of the
actual date I went into the park. So I went
up to the park and it was probably in the
middle of the week, like a Wednesday or something. But
I walked around the park and I had never been
in the woods there. I'd been in the woods once
maybe for like two minutes, just because I was driving by.
I wanted to see it. This is my first time

(14:47):
actually walking out into the woods for a while. So
I took the fleet. I played some songs. Sometimes i'd
sit down, you know, I'd read this stuff on the trees,
like this was a tree, you know, information about it,
little signs everywhere. Once in a while, I'd play some songs,
walk around. I didn't see any big foot, which I

(15:08):
didn't think I would. I thought that maybe I would
be slightly more likely, so I walked around. It took
me like three hours, I think, just walking around out there,
and then I realized I'd come full circle, but I
had to walk back a different way to get to
my car. One thing I did see was I saw
the sticks. Some of them were broken off, and I

(15:31):
don't remember how tall they were, but there was stacked
like in a tepee formation, like against a tree. And
I also noticed I don't know if I noticed it
on that day, but I've seen a big tree, like
a big tree out there that was bent and I'm
not sure how the tree could have been bent like
that without breaking. It was just like in a loop,

(15:53):
like arched over. But I I did see some smaller
trees that were bent like that, and just that I
was like, hmm, that's interesting. And so after that day
I didn't see a big foot. I said, you know,
it was getting close to me having to go back
to work again for the year for school, so I said,

(16:15):
I'm gonna come back one more time. So I came
back the next time, and I think it was like
a Wednesday or Thursday the following week, I took the
fruit again into the woods. I walked around the only
thing about this day that was different was that it
was it was cloudy out and it started to rain some.

(16:36):
But I said, well, I'll just put my hood on
and walk around out in the wood. Prob went out
in the wood playing the flute. I didn't go as
far as I wanted to because the rain got so bad,
but the trees blocked it somewhat. But as I was
walking around playing, you know, I got this weird feeling
like I was being watched. So I kept on looking around.

(17:00):
I took my hood off raining, but I took my
hood off because I couldn't. I kept on wanting to
look around and see if something was there. I never
saw anything. I just figured, okay, well i'll wrap that up.
As you know, I went in the woods. I tried
playing the flute to attract a bigfoot, but I didn't
see anything. And so that's where I was at that point.

(17:25):
So I was getting ready to start the school year
and everything and go back to work, so I kind of,
you know, forgot all about it. Just for a while.
My sighting happened about it was either it was on
a Monday, and it was either about a week and
a half or about two and a half weeks later.
I'm not sure which, because I don't remember the date
of the second day that I went into the park.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Whenever you were out there walking around and playing the
flute and everything, did you run into other people? Were
there other people out there at the time.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I'm trying to think back, I think, okay, on the
second I think on the first day, I'm trying to remember.
I mean, I don't recall anyone in the woods. It
was more of a sunny day, and I may have
come across a person. I saw people when I got back,

(18:18):
because I got back to a place where it was
an open field. So I'm sure that I probably ran
into somebody. I want to say I did. I just
don't remember. But the second day I was out there
where the storm was, I didn't see anybody like in
the rain. I was like the old as far as
I remember, I was like the only person out there,
so I wasn't even thinking about Bigfoot. You know, on

(18:44):
this day it was on Monday, August twenty eighth, twenty seventeen,
because I remember like yesterday, so and also I've been
down the road that I traveled down. I traveled down
the same road, but at the time where I was working,
I would go down a certain road and i'd been

(19:04):
by there. I think I think I had been there
a couple at least one year, if not a couple
of years. I've been traveling mostly in the morning, sometimes
at night if I need to. But I'd never seen
anything like I saw that day. And I was just
thinking about getting to work. And it was light out
at that time, because it was around seven o'clock. Might

(19:24):
have been six fifty five, seven, seven oh five, I
don't know exactly. But I was driving down this road.
I come to this place where it's really swampy. There's
some old dead trees and there you know, white bark
and stuff picking out of the water on the left
and on the right, and there are pine trees on
the left upperhead and it's like I would think, my dear,

(19:47):
a tree fall or something. There's some tree, a lot
of pine trees on the right. So I'll tell you
in general what happened first, like just so you get
the idea of what happened that I can go back
and tell you about the fix but I doubt the
sighting was more than I can eleven twelve seconds at tops.

(20:09):
I mean, I haven't thought about I could probably sit
down and think, okay, what are you doing this? Three
seconds two, But I just never thought about that before.
But probably I would say no more than twelve seconds
if that, and it would started out. When I saw it,
it was up ahead of me, and it was crossing
left to right. So I was looking ahead driving my car,

(20:30):
and as I passed closer to this swamp, I saw
something out of the corner of my left eye. It
moved really fast. I thought I saw some motion, so
I turned, you know, I turned and looked up ahead,
and I saw a figure standing on the left side
of the road, and it just stepped into the road

(20:53):
and walked across. This is not an interstate, this is
just like a regular you know, yellow line highway. It
didn't go straight across. It went diagonally across the road.
And when it got on the grass on the green
on the right hand side, it stopped and it turned

(21:16):
like it turned and facing its mouth open, and I
can see the black spot whether you know, whether the
mouth was and then it kind of moved around a
little bit and faced me head on, looking at me,
and then it turned and walked across the grass, because
there's a big grass strip on the left side of
the highway and on the right side. Then it just

(21:37):
walked on across the right side of the highway and
the grass, and then right before when it got to
the woods on the right hand side, it stopped and
then it turned and faced me again, and I locked
eyes with it probably two or three seconds, it felt
like forever, but then it turned and it went to

(22:00):
the wood. So that that's basically what happened. But I
can tell you kind of what I was thinking, you know,
specifically in a moment. I didn't know if you had
any comments or anything.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, how far away were you whenever you saw it?
And about how fast were you moving?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm not sure how fast I was moving.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Sometimes I'll drive sixty five, but I was probably Sometimes
I'll drive like fifty, but okay, So it was further
away when I when I first saw it, and as
I was going.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Towards it, it was crossing the road, and I would
say when I got up at the closest point where
it was about ready to go into the woods, I'm
trying to think, because I'm not good at distances. But
I would say, you know, if you're familiar with like
a high school track, on one side, I doubt I

(22:53):
would say probably maybe from one I wouldn't maybe not
one whole side of the tract. Another probably about one
hundred maybe one hundred yards. But even from that distance
you could see you could tell it wasn't a human,
So I would say probably about one hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
And it was all the way into the woods and
out of view by the time you got to the
spot where it crossed.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Correct, correct, because I was my eye land okay, the
winning right there, right, And I got up, you know,
and I slowed the car down and was looking to
the right, but I didn't see anything.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And it was on two legs the entire time.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yes, m M. So I can tell you when I
when I was traveling towards it and I first saw
the figure on the on the left side of the
road up ahead. I think it was there maybe for
about a second. It was just standing still, and I
wasn't thinking bigfoot, you know, that wasn't even on my mind.
I didn't know what it was. But it's when it's

(23:53):
it's stepped into the road. But it didn't look it
didn't look like turn its head to see if traffic
was coming. It just stepped into the road. And I
know when it stepped into it was going diagonally because
I did get a view of kind of like the
back of its head, you know, and you know how
you would and I'm telling you these things. All this
stuff has happening in milliseconds, you know how you see

(24:15):
like a lady or even a man with like shoulder
lanked hit hair from behind. That's what it looked like,
only where you would think that the hair would end,
and like where you would see the shirt or whatever.
It wasn't like that. It was like the whole body
was brown and blonde. And I watched it, you know,

(24:38):
went across the road. I would say it probably crossed
that road diagonally, and I would say I went counting,
but probably maybe four seconds is a guess. And it
looked like it was moving faster. It moved faster just
to get from across that highway. So when it when
it gets the grass on the right side, it turned

(25:00):
and it turned to me the same way that the
pattern I know when it was crossing across the road
I noticed that. Oh my god, you know, that's when
all this stuff goes on. Mind. I'm like, that's you know,
it's I'm coming to the realization it's not a human.
But from where it was this nobody. I've seen people
on the road like they parent or something before, you know,

(25:24):
handing with aild. And I know from a distance how
tall they Most people would probably fit in that five
to six foot range. You know, some people might be
short or taller. But and I know how thick a
person's body should be, and this was much thicker. And
you know, the head when I watched the walk, I

(25:44):
think it was might have been looking down a little
bit as it was crossed. And when it got to
the right side, as I said, it turned and it
turned just like the Patterson Gimlin film. The head didn't turn,
you know, the whole body, upper body kind of turned
and that's when it it saw me, I guess, and
it went. It was almost as it was going, you know,

(26:05):
the mouth open for a split second and it was
you could see that black hole right there. Yeah, And
I thought, you know, it seems like I remember maybe
like and I didn't even know bigfoot head cane iron teeth,
but it seemed like I remember seeing like the tips
of the two canines, and I think they were on
the bottom jaw. And that's all. That's the only two

(26:29):
teeth I saw, So I'm left to believe that perhaps,
you know, maybe the others are flat teeth or something.
And then it that's when it it stopped and it
turned towards me, and it was looking at me, and
I'm still looking at it, taking all this in, and
I was like, no, it's not a person. It's not
a man in a gilly feet or something, because the

(26:51):
legs are too thick, and you could see stuff hanging
off of it. Well you know which was in the
Bible's hair. It was all brown. It wasn't. It wasn't
somebody who had on pants and you know, and a
shirt that met it. They didn't have boots on. And
then it was just looking at me, and I noticed
it was fanning with its leg. It wasn't standing straight up.

(27:13):
It was standing I know, the leg the knees of
it were bent and you know, the arms along and
and it looks you know, I guess where the hair
was more like domeed, I guess, because you know how
like the hair hangs off your neck like a person's net.
And oh, and the neck that the head was this,
I want to watch it grow across the road. The

(27:34):
head was just set just like they were standing. The
head was just set right up on top of the shoulders.
You couldn't really see a net cursee. And then after
it saw me, it just started walking across the grass
strip on the right hand side, and I watched and
it was it looked like it had flowed down and

(27:55):
was deliberately taken flow steps. And I remembered at one point, look,
I looked down and I saw as the foot, you
know what, stepping and it looked like something like a
foot like or something hanging off the end I got
hair or whatever. Yeah, And it was walking across and
then it was about ready to go in. And oh,
I know also, I know when it was on the

(28:18):
right hand side, I saw it back at some point.
So I'm wondering if it was not I wonder iful
it was going into a point of the woods where
maybe there was a part of the woods sticking out,
because I can't think of any reason why it's back
would be to me at that point. But I did
notice how wide the back was like no person would

(28:38):
be that wide from you know, from that distance. And
then it stopped and it kind of it stepped out,
you know, spun around, so then it was facing me
once again. As I was coming up, i'd gotten right
at that a little bit past that bridge there with

(28:58):
the dead trees and stuff, and it stopped and it
was looking at me, and that's when I looked up
and I looked at it. They of course I couldn't
see details in the face, but that's when I was
taking in the whole size of this thing, and you
could see, like the must you know, the shoulders are

(29:20):
really wide, and it looked like it looked like it
was It looked more like it had more like a
better better shape than like said a Patterson Gamblin film.
It didn't have brust on it, but it had a big,
wide chest. And I noticed there was a little strip
of something, a strip of a darker color, up to

(29:41):
the top of its chest. And I could tell that,
you know, the head was the right round of the
forehead would look like big, you know, like a brown ridge.
And then when I looked in his eyes, that's when
I that's when I remembered that oh my god, Like
you know, I it had something to do with me

(30:03):
going out in the woods playing my flute. And the
funniest thing about it, I saw where it went in
the woods, and I went up there because they had
turned after it. The only stood looking at me too
three seconds and they turned. It went into the woods,
and I was going up there looking okay, went in
right there, went in right there. But I didn't see anything.
And I should also have mention that as I saw

(30:23):
it go in the woods, I noticed I would filled
down a little bit past the bridge. There were some blackbirds,
like a group of blackbirds, and a circle on the
left hands and the left lane moving around. As I
drive drove past, they didn't fly away. Normally, if I
see blackbirds in the road, they'll fly away as soon
as my car gets you know. And there were three

(30:44):
white or later found out they were I guess they're
called egret kind of like I think were three of
them in a triangle shape to the left side. Now
I don't know what that means. But later on I
found out about people talk about infrasound or something, and
and people wondered me, how do I remember all these details?

(31:04):
And like, because when I saw it, it felt like
I was almost like, you know, I was mesmerized by
the creek like everyone like a looked like I was hit,
like in a trance or something. Because when I got
to school, I was I was kind of a little
bit of a shot. I stayed a shock. Then thinking
about what I just saw, I was like, I can't
believe that just happened like that. And you know, at

(31:24):
first I was thinking, maybe you know, the big Foot came,
you know, it actually worked, but and I didn't. I
think I'm thinking that the big Foot might have that.
I that it stopped to look at me twice maybe,
But then I remember later in the day, Oh no,
it stopped and it looked at me like I think
it was like three times, because you know, when it

(31:47):
got to the right hand side, then when it turned again,
and then when it before it went into the wood.
And but as it went on that day, you know,
it came back to me. But yeah, and fence. Then
every time I get in the car, I'm thinking, you know,
am I going to see it again? It become I
getting my call, am I going to see it again?
But so far, you know, that hasn't happened. But that

(32:10):
that's basically what had happened that day.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, you just kind of touched on it just now,
and you mentioned it whenever you initially told me your story, Uh,
you know through text about how it's almost like you
went into that trance like state while it was happening,
and then later on gradually the memories of the event

(32:34):
started coming back to you.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, most of the memories were in chact, but I
think maybe the fact that it was like I just
don't know. I just felt weird after after seeing it.
But I think I knew I was thinking the big
I knew that it turned and looked at me once,
and I remember the part about it being by the woods,
but I seem to have forgotten about when it when

(32:59):
it the second time, when it turned around, I saw
the whole body standing there. And also I don't have
any way to tell how tall it was. But as
I said, since I'm familiar with seeing people, you know,
some every once in a while I'll see I will
see people walking along the side of the road and

(33:20):
such or standing and I know how tall a six
foot person will be. But I think it was easy.
I could think you could easily see something that was
seven feet tall and not be able to tell if
it was that much taller. But what struck me about
this was that more about the size of it the
thickness rather than the height. So the chest was much

(33:45):
thicker than a person, and it was all, you know,
all brown and blonde, and I could see stuff hanging
off its back, like the hair was hanging on, and
some of it was m maybe like almost like a rope,
meaning you know, like maybe the hair was stepped together.
And I knew I knew when it was standing the
knees were bent. So I was thinking about it, and
I was like, well, if I stand with my knees bent,

(34:07):
I'm only like five five nine, and that makes me shorter.
So I knew that whatever, you know, this thing still
looked big. I'd worked out if I look at my
house and my ceiling, knowing that's eight feet, I knew
it wasn't like a whole foot or two bigger than
the ceiling, and the way if it was only seven
feet still and the thickness of it, I think seven

(34:30):
feet would probably be a little short. So I think
what I saw, I can make an estimated guess. I
would say it was probably maybe anywhere from seven and
a half then I would say, no more than eight
feet my guess.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean that's still really big.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, you also.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Mentioned the birds. I think that's important because whenever I
talked to people that experience things, you know, it's those
little details that kind of stick to me, because the
birds stick out to you specifically, And I think that
if it wasn't anything to it, if it was just
some birds in the road or whatever, I don't know

(35:10):
why you would hold onto that and it would mean
something to you, you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Saying, right, because I mean I've seen like one turkey
run across the road before. I've seen blackbirds in the
road before, and they all flew away. But on that day,
the fact that you know, there were there are three
of those white egrets down in the swamp that I saw,

(35:35):
and then the whole circle of those black I don't
know if there were blackbirds, but there were black colored
birds and they just were walking, you know, either still
or this kind of and you know, kind of in
a circle, not move the much and didn't fly away
even when I drove past them. It stood out to me.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, And this was in the same spot that the
bigfoot crossed the road.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
No, okay, you know the birds were down, I would say,
when I crossed the road, and when I saw it
over to the right, when it was looking at me,
and it went right into the woods, and then that's
when I noticed the birds. So the bigfoot had already
gone into woods, you know, at that point.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
But you didn't see the birds like fly down onto
the road or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't now thinking about it, I don't even think
I don't even think I noticed them. I didn't even Yeah,
I didn't even notice them. If they were there, I'm
assuming were there. I didn't even notice it until the
big clot was gone. Then I looked then in my left,
and that's when I noticed the birds, you know, for
the first time.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Right then, So after having gone out into the woods
and uh, you know, looking and taking the flute and
all that, and then having the experience where you felt
like something was watching you but you never saw anything,
and then a week later this happens, or however much
time passed a short amount of time for sure, right,

(37:05):
what do you think? Do you think this was coincidence
or do you think there's something more to it?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
So at first I was at the moment when I
looked into the thing's eyes, we locked eyes. That's when
it That's when it came back to me, and I
was thinking, you know, oh my gosh. You know, it
was more like I was thinking this may here, like
maybe it's thanking me or something. But then as rationality

(37:31):
or seeming rational as my as I was consciously thinking
about it, I'm like, maybe maybe there's a maybe maybe
the Bigfoot just happened to be there on that day,
you know, So I kind of moved away from that.
I didn't I didn't say that the Bigfoot wasn't there
to communicate with me. But one thing about the experience

(37:53):
when I thought about it, it's mouth opened, you know
when it saw me, which would to me indicate surprise
that you know, that it didn't know I was gonna
be there. And that's that's, you know, I kind of
rationalized with my conscious mind, I said, well maybe, but
maybe it is. I just don't know. But I will

(38:16):
say also that these little synchronicities or things that are coincidences,
which probably may not be, they happened to me a
lot in my life, like some things I don't expect,
and all of a sudden it happens, So I even wondered. Also,
I was wondering because I've had like some kind of

(38:38):
psychic like premonitions before, so I was wondering. Okay, maybe
maybe a part of me was knowing that the big
Foot was gonna happen. So maybe that's why the thought
of Bigfoot entered my mind ahead of time, and I
was just gonna, you know, go out in the park.
Maybe that's why I thought about it and figured i'd
go out in the park. So maybe it didn't have

(38:58):
anything to do with that. It was just you know, coincidence.
Thought I was going to fee the big Foot anyway.
But later on, I've had some other in I would say,
encounters later on, and then I kind of got to
rethinking that maybe it was probably maybe the big Foot,

(39:20):
because I just don't I just don't see any other way.
I mean, why would I see the Bigfoot right there?
I know there have been fightings over in that way.
I've only heard about maybe two or about three in
that area, But most of the fightings that I know
about over like in the I think are kind of

(39:40):
in the western part of the county. But yeah, I've
come back around to think and now that I'm more
certain that the Bigfoot probably when I saw it when
I during my fighting, I think it looked like it
knew or it was very curious about me, and like
I just felt like it was there, you know, because

(40:02):
it recognized me. If that sounds strange, but.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, I mean this whole thing is strange. You know,
there's no way to look into the Bigfoot subject and
not eventually reached the point where you find out things
are strange. They don't happen like they normally should. Did
you tell anybody about your sighting that day? Or when

(40:27):
was it whenever you finally told someone?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, I told, you know, I think, well, I told
somebody it's you know that threw walk like you know
what I think maybe you'd be you know, because people
of people, how I know a little bit more well,
you know, and people my friends, you know, they know

(40:51):
they know about it, you know, most people, you know,
I get to open minded. But over the years, the
music and see the museum played a big part in
me finding out about all this stuff. Then I found
out about other people, and then I've gone in the
woods with them and I but after my fighting, I

(41:14):
went back in the woods, and I think there was
about I think it happened maybe on two or three
occasions that I was in the woods, you know, and
I didn't see anybody else around, and that's when the
thought occurred to me. You know, I'm thinking in my mind,

(41:34):
oh my god, you know, I know what I saw
out on the road, and I'm sure glad that I
saw it out on the road when I was in
my car. What if and I was like down in
the woods a little bit of ways, I was thinking,
what if I see that out here in the woods
and no one's around, how would I act? So that's

(41:54):
when I stopped and I turned around and I walked
back out. I couldn't know, but I'm into the woods
just a little bit. And then I tried. I think
it happened maybe two or three times where I'd walk
halfway down the trail, but I couldn't go any furre
that because the thought would come back to me, what, yes,
it was out here and nobody, you know, what would happen?

(42:16):
So I went back. But after that, I got it.
I got over it after that, and I hadn't had
any problem going back into the woods by myself, you know,
if no one's around. That happened, you know, many times,
but it was only like the first couple of months
or so after the sighting that I felt, you know,
like that and.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
How far away was the road crossing from where you
went in and played the flute and all that.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Oh, oh okay, yeah, because that was another thing. I
was like, well, I didn't see that meat Out, but
I saw it. Let's see. So I think if if
you're driving down country roads, because I don't, I don't
drive from that direction to meat Out, I kind of
go around another way. I would say, it's no more
than probably thirty minutes, but it's still in that county,

(43:08):
but it's more where my sighting was was more to
the eastern part of the county, and where Meatoc is
it's almost like it's on the western side of the county.
But yeah, but the thirty minutes, it's a really big county.
It's like, I don't know, that's probably one of the
biggest counties in North Carolina because I can drive for

(43:28):
like an hour and still be in that county.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You said it happened at an area where there's water
and like a bridge and everything. Does that water connect
to the park or anything.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I don't think that creek does. But the creek is
called Fishing Creek, and I know it's called Fishing Creek.
But some parts of it it's really big. It's more
like almost like a river, but it's called but there is.
It's where I live in Halifax County. It's called Roanoke.
It's the city of Roanoke Rapid. So the river that

(44:06):
comes from, like I guess it goes through Roanoke, Virginia too.
That river comes through here. So when I look on
the overhead like the you know, the map or whatever
satellite I saw back, you know that creek goes back.
I think it goes back. There's a river that runs
like Carolela, you know, a river on this probable how

(44:30):
far it's back from where my fighting must probably no
more than about five six seven miles probably, I guess.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
So in theory it could you know, follow the waterways through.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
There, yes, probably. And and before I had my sighting,
I also knew I think over I think it was
a couple of months before I had my sighting, right,
it was in the actual town. So it's probably like
probably about fifteen minutes from where my sighting was. I

(45:04):
know another lady had seen some little small one down
by another creek, and people had gotten the people from
museum had gotten some track cast from that, and and
they were telling me about somebody over and where I'm
near my sighting. I don't know exactly where it was,
but somebody in a tree stand had seen one, and

(45:27):
then I knew, let's just say maybe within the last year,
I found out from somebody else because they were somebody
else to go to the park with. They were asking
me about where did you Where'd you say that you
saw that big footed? And I told them, you know,
it's by that I told him where it was, So

(45:47):
I think they were they were probably asking because I
think that there was another sighting and it was somewhere
over in that area where they got something. I think
somebody had gotten I saw on another program. They'd gotten
it on a like a head or something on a
game cam on a but it was it was over

(46:08):
near that, somewhere around that area where I've had my
fighting are h. When I first started hearing about the
big foots around here, most of the things were that
I heard about there were black. That's the basic color
that I think most people see. Some kind of black.
But when I saw the one I saw it was

(46:29):
a lighter color. It was like, you know, a brown,
different shades of brown. And it had some blonde because
I remember it had blonde hair some on its on
its right shoulder and something on its head. And oh,
I forgot to mention. But also when it was on
the right side of the road, it walked through a
beam of sunlight and I could see, you know, the

(46:49):
hair or whatever on its on its back. It looked
kind of shimmered, you know, shimmered in the light, like
its like oil in it or something. But but yeah,
and but I have heard because I knew someone else
when they saw one, they said it was that the
you know, same kind of color. And then I'd heard
a couple of other things about that color. But yeah,

(47:10):
but I was the first one that I first time
when I saw that, I'd never heard of a lighter colored,
big full around here. But some other people, I think
have seen something like that too.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you said that you've had a few other encounters
or run ins with something. What was that.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, So so when I go into the woods, I
try to I've learned, you know, I try to be
kind of objective, So there was. So I'm only going
to include the ones that I think it was really weird.
You know, I can't prove anything one because I didn't

(47:48):
see anything in most of these cases. So there was
a time, I don't know when, it was, maybe a year,
a couple of years after I was playing a flute
in the woods. It was a smaller one and I
didn't hear anything or anything. I only saw some people
who went in the woods, like right ahead of me,
and but I didn't see anybody when I was in

(48:09):
there and I was playing the thongs. And then I
should I point this out because the fleet, I think
it had gotten some some spit or something in it,
and so it wasn't sounding right. So I had to
blow in it to get the saliva out of it.
I was. I was like, and it was like made
this awful saying like it. Long after that I heard

(48:33):
some it was like crackle, crackle, crackle, And I was like,
At first I was saying, what is that something coming?
A raccoon coming down the tree. Then I realized what
I was hearing was the bark cracking. It was like
and it was like boom, and this big tree I
didn't see the tree, but it was sounded like it
was right there. I got scared, so I threw it
in the backpack and put my backpack on and I

(48:53):
started like kind of power walking up the off the
path and probably I would say after and then I
started thinking, oh, you know what, a tree is going
to fall in the woods sometime. So I'd probably walked
for thirty forty seconds. So I stopped, and I was
about ready to go back into woods, and then then

(49:13):
I hear again off to my right, you know, on
the same side where this was, but it just up
closer to me. I heard another one go crack crack,
crack boom, but this one's sounded like more of a
smaller tree. But it was like, okay, okay, the two.
How is it possible two trees will fall on that
amount of time? So then I just went out of

(49:34):
the park and I still played some fleet songs near
the woods, but then I couldn't go back into the
woods at that But the source, I mean, it could
have been. I guess it could have been two trees falling.
I didn't see anything, and then I think it was
about I think it was I remember because I thought
of it in my mind before. I remember about two
years and three months after my fighting, I went into

(49:56):
the woods one night. It was on the day before
Veteran Day, because Veteran on a Monday, so it was
November the camp on a Sunday, and I sat at
this bench and I was just playing some thongs, playing
some thongs. I wonder if something's gonna happen. I was
out there probably forty five minutes, didn't hear a thing
out ready to go, and then I all of a sudden,

(50:16):
I heard, you know, you hear something across the creek,
but you know, you hear rustling, and it sounded like
whatever it was, it was too of them, because it
was like, then I hear something on the other side,
a little bit further off on in the bushes. And
then and then I heard then I heard something to
my right. It was sounded like it was running in

(50:36):
the woods. Then I turned to look, but I didn't
see anything. And keep in mind, at this point, it's
it's in November, so I think I don't. I think
it was around five or something it was. I think
it was still light, but in the woods it gets
darker quicker. So uh, and when after I heard that.

(50:58):
I kind of looked. I looked up with there's this tree.
I don't know, it's probably it's kind of a fig tree,
is probably seventy feet away, and it looked like I saw,
you know, I saw something like it was black, but
something black, and it was on the from my perspective,
on the left side of the tree. And it's only
but it's only like three or four feet high, and

(51:20):
so it scares me all of a sudden's no one
around the top. Put my believe in the backpack and
I put my backpack on. I started walking and I'm
kind of looking out the corner of my eye, and
as they get up, I get up afar and now
so I can look that I can see behind that tree,
but I don't see anything, you know, and I don't
hear anything run away. And then as I'm almost out

(51:42):
of the wood, I hear something in my left and I,
you know, rustling. Then I stopped. Of course it stops too,
and I'm walking. It's like, and I hear rustling. Then
it stopped when I stopped. And then but you know,
I went back. I went back because I only saw

(52:02):
this the something that was black. I went back another
day and looked to make sure, like, you know, was
it just a you know, I I did hear something,
but I couldn't tell if I really thought them I
thought I did. I went back and looked to see
if it was like something black, like a rock, big
rock or a stick that I might have seen when
I went back later. But I didn't see anything that

(52:24):
I couldn't mistake it, you know, So I'm thinking that
something was there, but you know, I never heard it run.
I never heard it run away or anything. But that's
what was weird about it. And then I think it
was the same year, but it was at the end
of February, because there was a guy walk working at
the park as a volunteer, and he had been out

(52:45):
in the woods, you know, looking for bigfoot. I think
he had found some tracks and he was telling me that, okay,
if you go down, you know, a certain area he
said he had found, tell me about some think the
six teen inch tracks. But these, most of the tracks
found around here, and most of the prince I've seen
have five toes on them. But of course I saw

(53:08):
at the museum where they had they had some tracks
that it looked like three well, it looked like they
had three toes, like like what in these TCKs we
have like clogs. You could see where in the impression
where it goes down into the ground, and there might
have been like a little fourth It looked like almost
like a fourth toe out on the right of the foot.

(53:31):
But so this guy told me here there was three
code tracks, so he come to war if I said,
I'm gonna go down there. When I went there, I
noticed there were two cars there in the parking lot,
and I walked on down the trail. I didn't see
anybody when I was there, but I went down to
the bluff and I started playing my flute and only
took like a minute or two, and then I hear
at the top of the bluff something. You could hear

(53:53):
the brush move and like, and I knew it wasn't
just a squirrel. Squirrels canna be loud, but they're more
like a scampering whereas this found is something like big,
like a bear or maybe a deer or something. But
you could hear the brush moving and it was and
most of that stuff you would think would run away

(54:14):
if it heard noise. But I started playing some more
songs and I hear it moving, and I started getting scared,
so I put the fleet in my backpack and I
put it on and I started walking back to the bridge.
I might have gone sixty feet, but all of a sudden,
I don't know if it was me or what, but
a calm came over me. And even though I was

(54:35):
scared of like a minute before, I turned right back around,
walked back, took the flute right back and fed in
the same spot and started playing again. And then I
hear it. I couldn't really hear the stink footsteps like
dump dump, but I could hear the brush move. And

(54:57):
I thought about it after the fact and thought, maybe, well,
maybe it was something so wide, you know, because it
looks like their brush up there was really close together.
It was something moving through it, you know, it says stick,
but it sounded like it was something big, you know.
I looked around, went up the trail and looked, and
I couldn't see anything. I said, man, that's gotta be
a bigfoot. But I never saw anything, so I didn't know.

(55:19):
But the next day I found out that the guy
who told me, you know where to go, he had
and I asked him about it. He was telling me
it was about So I'm thinking the time frame was
about twenty to thirty minutes after I left, is when
that person went down there, and that's when and they heard.

(55:40):
They told me the same thing. They heard the rustling,
and then they they actually thought it that was their
first sighting. So I knew by do by them telling me. Okay,
I knew I was right. I knew that was a
big foot. And I knew how that brush sounded when
it was going like it sounded like almost like a

(56:01):
sliding or something like that. I guess it was just
moving through the thick brush. So I knew whenever I
hear that in the future, okay, that's probably a big foot.
So that was at about the end of February. And
then I have been in the park before. A lot
of people here would not, but I don't really you know,
I don't really hear that. But I've had a rock

(56:24):
thrown one time. It came from across the creek, and
I knew it wasn't just about acorn, because it was
probably like about a two inch by two inch rock,
but it went because it knocked the you know, the trees,
the leaves on the tree, and it landed it like
it was like this island of rush. I wasn't gonna
go in there and look to see the rock. It
might get a snake in there or something like. And

(56:45):
the and then the only other time, I don't know
how long it's been a few years now, I knew
about some people had seen a bigfoot on the road there,
like I think it was black and gray or something.
So after that, some people went up there and I
found out that a lot of people had been one

(57:05):
by think through like a thumore or something. So I
went down to the same spot where the other guy
where I heard that rustling it was. It was an act.
It was not long, probably within a week of where
the where the other sighting was. And I was playing
my flute at the cliff and a rock landed in

(57:25):
the creek behind me, so I turned around and then
I think they were like I counted five rock runs
into the creek and I was just playing, you know,
looking around. Then I heard the thalt found like it
didn't sound like a tree break, and I don't know
what it was as a big thalt sound. And then
I didn't hear anything, so I think it was the

(57:47):
exact same week after, I came back right up to
the creek and I brought my I got a gym
d drum. I said, I'm gonna take my DRUMA It
was the first time taking the drum out. I played
the drum that same type of fun, and I could
hear some sticks cracking and stuff. And as I was
playing it, I didn't see anything. I tried. I did

(58:09):
not see a thing. All I could see I heard
stuff rummaging around. So I came back about a week
maybe a week after that, and I think I had
my drum with me too, and I set it out
there by the creek and I was slaying my flute,
and I did I did think to turn my phone
on that time when that when the cracking started up,

(58:30):
because a rock came down. I could hear it coming
to the top of the branches and it landed about
twenty feet from me. And then I could hear the
moving like, and I was looking around. I was playing
some flute. Then I would hear I would hear move
a little bit. I was looking around. I could not
see it. And then I did hear A would not

(58:54):
like and I could hear this thing whatever it was
moving around and then I heard something like, you know
how if you pick your finger in your mouth and
do a cheek pop like you go, I can't go.
That's and I heard that, and then it probably I
was literally there. Probably maybe it stayed I'm saying ten minutes. Oh,

(59:15):
and I didn't mention it. On the first time, I
think it sounded like it was two whatever it was,
because I here's some sounds in one direction, and then
it was on the same side of the creek, on
the opposite side of the creek from me, but it's
kind of like two. On the third time, it sounded
like maybe just one thing. And and I didn't know
that a rock was thrown that time, and I didn't

(59:37):
there were no people. Most people don't go another like
you know, I would. I think I would have seen
it if it was a person, but but yeah, and
I never could see it. But yeah, those are some
of the probably the other encounters which only in one
instance was it verified by uh, someone seeing it after I,

(59:57):
you know, I had left that it was a bigfoot.
But there's a Those are pretty much my other encounters.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Now, are you still going out there and playing the
flute and the drum and all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
That, yes, probably more so the flute, because if I
take the drums kind of heavy, they want drums kind
of a little bit heavy. But I haven't been back
as much this year. I went back, I'm thinking about
a month ago, and you know, I didn't I didn't

(01:00:31):
hear or see anything out of the ordinary when I went.
But now in the summer I'm gonna I'll probably go
back out and I have. I have been out like
because at the park it closes, like in the summer,
it closes I think at nine. But I've been out
there at night because if you get a camping spot,

(01:00:54):
you know, if you if you pay for a camping spot,
you can go out at night. And I went out.
I don't you know, don't go by myself, but we
rented like our camping spot on several occasions. And some
of the other people that I've had that I know
of who have fightings, we go out on the trail,
you know, and so we hear, you know, they hear

(01:01:16):
wood knocks and stuff. But I haven't seen anything at
night myself, and I have since then. I've gotten U
and name escapes me. It's like a bonic little dish
thing that you can hear, I can hear far and
I also invested in a thermal scope, and most of
the people who go out there they have a thermal

(01:01:37):
Now I forgot to mention. I said, when I heard
the thing down by the creek, I had my phone
on so I could record it. But when I went
back and listened to it, that's when I came to
the realization. But that I think a phone audio is
probably more designed for talking with someone close up. Because

(01:01:58):
I wasn't here anything, it would not capture the sound
on the other side of the creek, except where it
got really loud, where the stick started cracking. I might
have got four or five seconds. But that's when I
realized that the phone audio doesn't do a good job
of recording from a distance like that. And then when

(01:02:20):
I talked to another person that I know who where
they had had a sighting out under the thermal, they
were asking me. They were saying, so, where did you
hear all that crunching stuff, you know when you were
playing your flute. And I told them where it was,
and they were telling me that that's the same place.
So that's another verification. I was like, oh my gosh,
that's where they had I think had seen something under

(01:02:41):
a thermal. It was in the same spot where I
had that thing where I heard it moving around and
it threw the rock and when I was playing the flute.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
So are you trying to have another sighting with all this?
Is that your main goal?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yes, I just want to go back, and you know
I do have the desire even you know, even if
I don't see it again, I still want to go
out and what's playing the flute? Because I'm thinking maybe
maybe that's why I had that first sighting. Maybe it
it's it's because it seemed like it was really really

(01:03:18):
curious about me when I watched it go across. And
so yes, even if I don't see another one, just
the fact that me going out in the woods and
playing a flute may make this thing or things happy,
that's that's a charge in it in it of itself

(01:03:38):
to me, because I had seen something after the fact, saying,
like some for some other researchers, I had seen another
thing on YouTube where God was I looked it up.
I was like a guy playing a flute and I've
heard a thing about a person playing a guitar, and
they that's that the charge knowing that something might be
looking after as I'm I mean, like, while I'm playing

(01:04:02):
out there, it seems exhilarating in a charge in in
and of itself, even if I don't see another one.
But I kind of, you know, there's a part of
me that said, you know, I want to see it again.
But there's another part of me when I'm in that woods,
I was like, do I really big question? Do I really?

(01:04:25):
I don't know how I would react if I did
see it that close, you know, with no one around
out in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Like well, Kel, I appreciate you coming on here and
sharing your story and some of the details behind it.
It's a really good sighting. You're very fortunate, you know,
especially to have a sighting like that. I know exactly
what you're talking about. I think it's an entirely different
situation whenever you're in your car and you see one

(01:04:56):
cross the road like that, compared to if you're out
in the woods by yourself and you just bump into
one of these things. But yeah, man, keep in touch
and keep me up to date on what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And just curiosity. I think I didn't even know you
said you had used a fleet before.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, yeah, a long time ago. I mean I haven't
gone out into the woods looking for these things and
years and years, but yeah, we've Whenever I say we,
myself and the group of people that I used to
you know, associate with and go out with, we we've
gone out there and played flutes before. Not together or anything,

(01:05:36):
but just you know, individually, I've gone out there and
played a flute before. A friend of mine, Dan, he's
played the drums. He made like his own drum out
of rawhide and stuff, and I know he's played the drums,
and you know, there's just I don't know how to

(01:05:57):
explain it. I'm not Native American, but there's something about
just the sound of that flute or the sound of
the drums or something out in nature like that. There's
something to it. It's almost magical. And even though it
didn't if there was a bigfoot around observing us, I

(01:06:21):
wasn't aware of it. You know, I can't say that
it worked necessarily, but it's still worth doing. And to me,
it sounds like you're definitely getting attention by doing it.
I do think that if they are paying attention, that
they do enjoy it. I think maybe it's something that

(01:06:43):
they recognize from their past even But yeah, I would
say from what you've said that they're there, they're paying
attention to it, and they're probably associating it with you directly.
They know that you're the guy that comes out there
and plays the flute, and uh, I think if you
keep doing it, you're gonna have a really special encounter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yes, I look forward to that, and all right, I
enjoyed for talking to you about it and hearing about
you know, your your information as well, So thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate it. If you've had your own
encounter with Bigfoot or something else you can't explain, and
you'd like to share your story on the podcast, email
me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out
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the woods.