Ep:169 Haunted By Bigfoot with Brent Thomas

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But there seems to be something with the em field
that is present also in Bigfoot research, because I've talked
to so many researchers through the years that have experienced
strange battery drain out in the field. It's just like boom,
fresh batteries go dead. Weird equipment malfunctions that don't make

(00:24):
sense very much, a parallel to you know, doing ghost
investigating and research and such that comes up all the time.
I've experienced it myself many times. It was Saint Ignatius.
I was going into there and up on the third level,
which is the nuns Quarters, the old Nuns Quarters, my battery,

(00:44):
which was just fine on a floor below went dead.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining
me is a paranormal expert. He probably wouldn't call himself that,
but I'm calling him that, mister Brent Thomas of the
Paranormal Portal. Q applause, I.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Can do that, actually check it out, thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, all right, as.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I just fled your recording with my applause. No, man,
I'm thrilled to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's always a pleasure I've always thoroughly enjoyed when we
can connect and have a discussion about all this strangeness.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
So thanks for having me on, man of course, Man,
of course, I enjoy it as well. You know, we
talk off air even, yeah, which is a crazy thing.
I don't talk to a lot of people off air anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Even like each other off of here.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, it's nice, it is, it's good. It's a good connection.
But you know, I think we're both we're both on
the journey of maybe attempting to understand a little bit
about this stuff. So yeah, makes for kindreds trying to
at least, Yeah, exactly. I don't know if well either
of us will ever get there, but it's the journey.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Lots of tell chasing in these type subjects, it seems.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, I think it's largely because regardless of a person's position,
we really don't know what we're dealing with with any
of this, truly. It's just we can identify phenomena usually,
but that's about the end of it. And to drill
down to any of the what the hell's going on here?
Is you still wildly anybody's guests.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I was thinking about something just the other day, and
I want to get your take on it. You, I
assume are pretty tapped into the paranormal world. You talk
about a lot of paranormal stuff, you know, I know
that you've got your own stuff going on and everything. Sure,

(03:16):
I have been following the Bigfoot world for about twenty
five years now, pretty closely. Started out interested in the
paranormal stuff beforehand, which kind of led me down that path.
But I've kind of come to the conclusion that we're
in a new era of Bigfoot stuff, not evidence wise

(03:40):
and not even that much of research techniques, but just
kind of like who's leading the charge? Have you noticed
the same thing in the paranormal world. Has the paranormal
world sort of evolved with these different forefronts of thought?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I think I think one of the most encouraging shifts
is that, you know, and this is something we've touched
on before, but I really think this is very powerful
is that I think more people are willing to discuss
these ideas than ever before, and there's more people entering
the fray, so to speak, just to look at what's

(04:20):
going on and compare notes, and I think that that's encouraging.
But yeah, I think I don't know, and maybe it's
some weird bio rhythm that's going on. But I think
a lot of people are really looking at the world
around them with a fresher set of eyes. I think
what's interesting is that we've moved into maybe a different

(04:42):
era in the worldwide sense. Like people like take, for instance,
my parents' generation. There, they would turn on the news,
and whatever the news said, that was their worldview. After that,
that was what they heard on the news, and so
it was essentially gospel. I think that globally, people are

(05:03):
no longer willing to accept that because no matter what
you're getting or where you're getting it from, I think
everybody is pretty resigned to the fact that it's being
spun and they're given a version of events, and so
people are looking into things and I think that translates
to our realms as well. That you know, there's a
lot more people asking questions now, and there's a lot

(05:25):
more people that have the ability to have these discussions
than ever before. So I think there's a lot more
people entering the discussion than ever before because it's okay,
it's not a social You're not going to become a
social pariah. If you talk about seeing a ghost or
you know, watching a bigfoot across the road in front

(05:46):
of you when you're driving to your uncle's farm or something.
You know, I'm just a just a weird example. But
I think that the dialogues have come so far and
the ideas have come so far and are emerging because
there's more peaceeople involved and it's and it's okay to
be involved now. So I think that's that makes this
a pretty exciting time, I think for you know, people

(06:09):
that are trying to dive into these subjects and maybe
at least get a lot of information or have at
their fingertips more information than ever before.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
And that's a good thing, right, I.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Would think so on the surface, it seems like a
good thing. The audiences are definitely larger for the average
person to be able to, you know, put information out
or share an opinion on something. You're now talking to
a limitless amount of people whenever that happens, right, It's

(06:44):
not just your circle or the people that you commonly
share those thoughts with. It's now literally the world. Anybody
can tap into.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
It, yep.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
And there's avenues that you can tap into and in
even other viewpoints. Now, I would say that probably the
biggest liability to that is that there's some crazy ideas
out there now. And I love that people are thinking
outside of the box. But I think some people aren't
even in the neighborhood of a box, you know, when
they come with some of this stuff, and that that

(07:16):
gets to be almost, I don't know, almost distracting.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
From from it all.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And but who can measure that? Who can weigh that?
I mean, we were dealing with subjects that we just
don't understand. We don't know what's going on in any
of these things, really. I mean, we have we have terminology,
we have theories and ideas, but you know, anytime somebody
tells you I know exactly what's going on, it's like, oh,
red flag.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And it's not I don't, you know, mean to portray
myself as some arbiter of truth, like, well, if I
don't believe it, it.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Can't be true.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
But I think that, you know, in these discussions about
this stuff, I still think it's important to be grounded
in some semblance of logic and reasoning, you know, and
that not every idea can be true, but not every
idea can be wrong either, So I don't know, it's
a conundrum of sorts.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I guess well, I was recently talking to a guest
about this, not this exact subject, but we both had
similar backgrounds where we kind of grew up consuming this
type of information on the unexplained, you know, cryptids, paranormal whatever,
through books in the library and at school and everything,
and the occasional TV show that would come on, and

(08:41):
just it was always ingrained in my brain for some reason.
Now that I'm older, it's obviously not the case. But
whenever you're a kid and you like go to the
library and you check out a book on the paranormal,
your thought process is, whoever the author is, they have

(09:03):
extensively researched this and they are an expert on the subject.
I can trust whatever is in this book that they
say sure to be the truth. I mean, that's not
the case, obviously, but at the time that's kind of
how you think. And in the same way goes with television,
you know, growing up consuming television content. If it's on TV,

(09:24):
it must be true, you know, as long as it
wasn't like a movie or something. But if it was
presented in like a documentary form, sure, But now, I
mean imagine going to the library and everybody you know,
has a book sitting on the shelf saying whatever they
want to because that's what the internet is. And everybody
has a YouTube channel. And you've encountered this, We've talked

(09:47):
about it. It seems like, and there's nothing wrong with this,
but it seems like pretty much every guest I have
on my show, not literally, but pretty much all of
them is starting their own podcast or has their own
podcast or a YouTube channel or something.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, and there's definitely more people involved in that discussion
as well, like the whole podcast thing. And I wish
them all the best, I mean, good luck. I hope,
I hope it takes off for you. I hope it's
a wonderful experience. I mean, obviously, it's kind of like
it's kind of like, you know, the road to Hollywood.
There's thousands of people, millions maybe that have given up

(10:27):
their lives and going to be you know, going to
be a star, and not everybody can be you know,
not everybody can be in the movies because there's only
so many movies, and there's you know, not everybody's going
to have a successful podcast because there's so many podcasts.
But you know, at least there's people trying to have
the discussion and trying to trying to make their mark.
And I do, I do really appreciate what you were

(10:49):
saying about. Well, if you saw it in a book,
that must be the truth, and if you saw it
on TV, that must be the truth. And I think
that's the old the old thinking, because that was always
the thing. Well I heard it on the new use
that has to be the truth. And I'm not saying
don't believe in the news or do believe in the news.
Use your own judgment, but I think that the more
normal reaction now is, well, I heard this, let me

(11:12):
go look into it and see what I can find
out about it. And you know, caused a lot of
people to become at least rudimentary researchers, whether whatever the
subject matter is. But I think people, at least now
the norm is to hear something and then go research it,
like no matter what if it's if it's political, you

(11:33):
hear something, you go research it's if it's scientific, you
hear something, let's go research it.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
And that seems to be.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
More of the norm now, whereas you know, these frameworks
that used to be the authorities, so to speak, are
now I don't know, they're more like bulletin boards and
then you go check out what you can find out
about the information to see if you buy into it
or not.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
I guess the Oprah Winfrey Show, not that I watched
a lot of Oprah growing up, but it was on
the television because the adults were watching a lot of
Oprah growing up. Yeah, And there was this situation. Oprah
would oftentimes have on authors and promote their books, and

(12:15):
there was a guy that she had on there, and
she was just fawning over his book that he had written,
and it was an autobiography about his life as a
meth addict and how he had been addicted to meth
but he had turned his life around and gotten clean,

(12:35):
and you know, was this amazing guy and had written
a book about everything, just you know, pulling back the
curtain and showing his entire life to the world, you know,
in a subject matter that very few people did. And
it came to find out a while later, after selling
millions of copies from being on Oprah, that he had

(12:58):
made up the entire thing and he had never been
a meth at it. Oh no, no, And if I remember, right,
Oprah had him back on the show and fully exposed
him to her entire audience as a fraud. Oh good
for her, that's yeah, so she said it straight and everything.

(13:20):
But nowadays, if the same thing were to happen on
say YouTube, YouTube's not going to call the person out
for Lyne. Nobody's going to look into it or anything.
It's going to be up to the individual if they
finally come clean or not.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, very true.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean, you know, yeah, there's a lot of bad
takes on videos that have been up for you know,
years that should have been pulled down if those standards
were consistent. But yeah, that's certainly not the case.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean, do you hold yourself to a certain
standard whenever it comes to pushing your own opinions and
theories on things.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well, as long as I as long as I make
sure to let people know, look, these are just my ideas.
I don't know anything, And I always do say that
on my platform. It's like, don't listen to me, don't
listen to anybody, you know, look into it for yourself
and come to your own conclusions. But here's what I
think about something, And then I think it's fine, but
if you're coming at it, you know, as a as

(14:18):
an authority with a voice of authority, and everybody should
be following your example or you know what you say,
then yeah, I think I think there is a definite
liability in that for you, and you know, and it's
only as good as as you know, as as the
people listening to it are willing to buy into it.

(14:39):
And if you're exposed, I mean, now you know that's
like say, for instance, a Bigfoot you know, show that
likes to do research and stuff, Well, you know, if
it's found out that they're hoaxing, even if it's not
necessarily true, but somebody put it out there, my god,
the burden of proof is on them to you know,
to try to stay alive, you know, because it it

(15:00):
does get real cutthroat like that in this realm, you know.
And I would never ever knowingly perpetuate a hoax. In fact,
I did once by accident, and it was my own fault,
and it was actually, oddly enough, it was one that
you pointed out to me, and I was so grateful.
But it was an image that I posted, and I
got it from a UFO experiencer and he'd been on

(15:24):
the show and he sent me an image and he said,
this was given to me by Edgar Mitchell himself at
a hotel in Florida during a conference, and he said,
and I'm happy to share it with you.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Here and you can post it. And I'm like, oh,
really wow.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
And it was a picture of the first moon landing,
you know, one of those missions in the Apollo missions
where I think it was Neil Armstrong. Armstrong like had
his potter out and there were, you know, in the background,
was this clearly archaeological alien base kind of thing. I
was like, oh my god. And I was like really,

(16:00):
and he said yeah, I came from Edreitgor Mitchell. And
I'm like, well, I think I should put that out there,
and you know, he was all on board with me
putting it out there. And I put it out there,
and it was you that reached out to me via
message and said, hey, that's not a real image. And
I'm like, oh really, And then you you sent me
a link to the real image, you know, that it
was doctored from.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
And I was absolutely furious.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I was so mad, but I was mostly mad at
myself because I got took and I put it out
there and immediately when you said that, I, you know,
I pulled it down and broadcast everybody. Look, I just
found out this is fake. I want you to know
it's fake and stuff. But I think you know there
is a there is if you're going to have integrity,

(16:42):
you know, it's got to be even when you're wrong,
you have to have integrity.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
About it, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, I got caught up in a hoax that's now
known as the Norm Glasser hoax. Uh. There was basically
a paper mache bigfoot head on display in this shop,
and I think Tennessee. I'm trying to think of the
name of it right off the top of my head,

(17:08):
but I can't old age. Sorry, but this guy was
from the paranormal world, a guy named Norma Glasser, not
part of the bigfoot world. And he had given a
photo to a colleague that I trusted and said, you
know that he took this photo of this bigfoot that

(17:28):
had attacked his car whatever came and looked at him
through his car window. And it was a picture of
that paper mache head, which I had seen before. But
I don't want people to get through it. It's not
just a paper mache head. I mean, there's like fake
hair and glass eyes and everything. It's a whole thing.

(17:49):
But he had actually gone to the exhibit where it
was located. The same company that had it on display
in the store window apparently was old So doing ghost
tours at the time, and so he had visited and
he had seen it, and he'd taken a photo close up,
so all you could see was like the eyes and

(18:10):
the upper bridge of the nose, basically oh wow, and
it was behind a window. So he told his story.
Another colleague of mind, Steve Alcorn, went and visited with
him and reported the interview, and he told this whole,
long drawn out story with all these details and everything,
and it sounded very believable, right, And so, you know,

(18:31):
kind of against our better judgment, we released the photo,
you know, and said, hey, we're looking into this. We
didn't fully co sign on it, but we put it
out right, and it wasn't long before somebody knew exactly
what it was and pointed it out to us, and
you know, we exposed the whole thing. We exposed Norm

(18:52):
Glasser called out and everything.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
And but so he had years of paranormal stuff that
he had documented, you know, things on camera and everything.
So it obviously called into question like everything that he
had been doing ever.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
And it should, right because if someone's going to screw
you once, they'll screw you again if you let them,
you know.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
There was another instance where there was someone on my
podcast Okay, and they had shared some audio recordings that
they had taken in the field. Some of them were
pretty impressive, and later on it turned out that those

(19:40):
audio recordings weren't fabricated, but they belonged to somebody else.
Somebody else had recorded them, oh no, and had posted
them on YouTube, and the files were put side by
side and compared, you know, spectrum analysis matched perfectly and everything.
And then it turned out that this same person, who

(20:03):
was speaking at conferences at the time, had also at
some get together played a clip of the Sierra Sounds
and claimed them as their own audio.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
And I don't know if they got called out at
that gathering or not. Surely somebody would have recognized them. Yeah,
but this person, it was exposed not by me, but
by some anonymous individuals, and basically they got away with it.

(20:38):
People did not care. They said that, oh well, it
was an honest mistake. They must have gotten those files
mixed in with their own files of audio that they
really did record. I took the time to explain how
because of the files that were sent to me directly

(20:58):
whenever they did the show, how that wasn't possible because
they were all numbered the same and everything. I mean,
but people didn't care. They chose the personality over the evidence. Yeah,
that's so I've kind of quit doing that. But how
do you feel about that? Do you think people should
be actively, you know, exposing hoaxes whenever they run across them,

(21:21):
or should they just leave them alone?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
No? I think absolutely they shouldn't, and I try to
as well, Like, for instance.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
This is this is a recent one.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
You know, I'm calling this stuff out all the time
whenever I become aware of it. Whenever I can, I
feel like I can substantially reinforce the fact that it's
not real. This one guy and I don't usually drop names,
but this guy's such a such a clown that I've
got to. He's on Facebook and he's called the Bigfoot expert.

(21:51):
First of all, that's the biggest red flag. It's like,
who's an expert?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
You know?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
How do you get to be a bigfoot expert?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, those credentials.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, I don't know, nic sure we went to school,
but yeah. So he was called Bigfoot Expert and he
put out this this image of of a of a
you know, a hand, and he said and his caption
was from my top secret archives. And I'm saying it
like this because he's also got reels on his channel

(22:23):
where he talks and it's very much.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Like that the Batman guy. Yeah, that guy. He's got
like the Batman voice.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, he's got the Batman voice, and he's very real
bro and sis and he uses all those those things.
But he's like, from the top secret archives.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
This ain't AI. This is a real photograph. Well that
part was true. It was a real photograph.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
However, it wasn't of a big foothand like everyone believed
in his message thread, and that was the other part.
I was like, my god, these people are just signing
right onto this and and willing to willing to devour
it like.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
This is gospel.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
But I did literally like a one minute image search
online and I found the identical image, except it wasn't
a big foot hand. It was a close up of
a chimpanzee hand. And so I took the url and
in the message the message thread, I said, Hey, I'm
just gonna leave this here, take care, and I posted

(23:21):
the link in there and and yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Then then it was more of.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
A feeding frenzy on this guy just being being a clone.
But he was trying to sell it like he had
this amazing archive, hidden archive, secret archive of actual photos.
And the sad part was is that people were not
only willing to buy into that this was a big
foothand but they're like, oh my god, that's such a
clear picture. Can I see the rest of the pictures
showing the rest of the body. This is amazing. I

(23:47):
was like, wow, you know, I mean, just just a
little bit of critical thinking could have you know, had
them look into it and try to vet it. And
again that's you know, but yeah, absolutely, I think this
needs to be exposed every time because here's the thing.
It's it's not like everybody has has good intentions or

(24:10):
or is you know, has this altruistic uh you know
framework they're working from. Also, there's plenty of people out
there that are just wanting to be known for something,
and God bless them, but it's you know, unfortunately, it
takes advantage of a lot of people's trust. But many
of us are looking for answers and we're looking for understanding.
A lot of people that are looking into Bigfoot have

(24:33):
had experiences and have been terrorized and terrified, and they're
trying to just make this make sense somehow, and they're
looking for looking for answers others or they just want
to you know, find out the truth. They want to
show the truth to the rest of the world. But
these idiots out there that are putting out hoaxes and stuff,
they're just you know, And the sad part is is

(24:55):
it makes it's kind of guilty by association because one
person that's a skeptic sees this guy post a chimpanzee hand,
trying to sell it off as a big Foot hand.
Now in their idea and the way that they're gonna
pitch it is yeah, those Bigfoot idiots, Yeah I saw this.
They're trying to, you know, tell us as Bigfoot is real,

(25:16):
and then they're posting chimpanzee hands. It's like everybody else
is guilty by association. So that guy posted a chimpanzee hand,
and to me, that was just in your face disregard
for everyone else except himself. I mean, it was just
it's just a really selfish thing to do. So I

(25:36):
think that those of us involved in this are really
looking for answers, and people like this are only pulling
us further away from whatever truth is out there and
whatever truth we could find. So yeah, as far as
I'm concerned, every time you become aware of somebody hoaxing,
and not just as a I don't like this guy
and I want to wreck his reputation.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
But genuinely, Jen, genuinely you.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Feel like this person is hoaxing and should be exposed,
you should expose it. You should expose it loud and publicly,
and make sure as many people as you can help
find the truth find the truth about that person, because
people like that are not helping us in this desire
to find answers, to understand the phenomena and to move

(26:20):
the ball forward. They are only pulling it in a
very selfish direction. So that's that's my soapbox.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
At the very least, ask questions, right, I mean, nobody
telling the truth should have a problem with people asking questions.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, And anybody that's you know what, would challenge you
right off the bat too.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, what you think you think you know more than me.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
It's like that's got to be a red flag, right
if somebody it's like a very narcissistic response to you know,
a genuine inquiry. So yeah, I think that's great, great point.
Just ask the questions and if what kind of feedback
you get will tell you a lot about the person
making the claim.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
And if you see any sort of image on the Internet,
if somebody's posting it somewhere, right click search search Google.
You know that so many things can be solved just
by doing that one little thing, just right off the bat.
I have exposed a lot of hoaxes using it myself

(27:26):
within five minutes. I mean, looking at an image right
click on it. Oh well that's where it came from.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
And it's so so easy to do. It's not like
you have to do a big forensic deep dive. And
even then, if you can't find any correlator correlating images
doesn't mean it's still that doesn't that doesn't automatically qualify
it as legitimate. I think you just got to look
at everything with a sense of skepticism because generally speaking,

(27:57):
there I do believe there's plenty of incredible uh you know,
posts and information and videos out there. It's just they're
so obscured by all this trash that, you know, unfortunately,
it's leaving leaving most of us out there looking at
these things with a very jaded sense of whatever we see.
You know, it starts for me, everything I see starts

(28:18):
with skepticism until at least I can can rudimentally, rudimentarily
rule out, you know, hoaxing or scamming or whatever. And
and even then you gotta still have a guarded sense
about it.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
There was a person that left a comment on my
YouTube channel recently asking if I would do an episode
about pieces of evidence that I think are good that
didn't get a fair shake or God overlooked. And I'm
really thinking about doing that episode.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
You know, I've gone on record and said there's a
there's a few videos out there that I think might
be the real thing, and I, again I always offer
the caveat, like, look, I can't know, I can't talk
to these people that can't go to where they're recorded.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
It.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
There's but just on face value, and it would be
like the Patterson Gimmlin film, the Freeman footage I think
is really good. The jumping YETI out of Russia, the
leaping YETI or whatever out of Russia, I think is
a really good video and potentially real. And there's more.
There are some really potentially great examples of what could

(29:27):
be legitimate captures, but unfortunately, again you got to dive
through about, you know, fifty feet of garbage to find those.
But when you find them, yeah, I think it's not
that you can't trust anything out there, but you should
just look at everything with guarded skepticism.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well that's something that a lot of you know, skeptics
bring to the table in regards to like the Parison
film especially. They're like, well, why hasn't anybody else gotten
any pictures or video? Now everybody's carrying a camera around
with them everywhere they go. There should be more. There
is more. The number has gone up. Yeah, it's just
so has all the crap in, all the fakes, and

(30:11):
it all gets buried.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's it's out there, but you gotta
you gotta dig and dig and dig and to even
find it. And and honestly, I think that the scammy
stuff gets all the gets all the press, you know,
it gets all of the exposure because these people that
are perpetuating scams are trying to get people to see
it and believe what they're doing, whereas the real stuff

(30:35):
is just you know, every day guys going or women
ladies or men going, Hey, I saw this, and it's.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
It's really tripping me out. What do you think I
got here?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
They're not They're not out there doing the you know,
the five hundred layers of marketing to try to get
people to see their stuff. They're just putting it out
there looking for some answers.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right, speaking of looking for answers, m hmm, that brings
us to today's topic. So I wanted to get your
viewpoint on something that I noticed whenever I started going
out and investigating bigfoot stuff. Okay, with my background, with

(31:18):
the interest in the paranormal, I noticed that there were
situations where people thought their homesteads basically were haunted. They
were experiencing paranormal activity on their property, but not necessarily indoors.

(31:39):
And I noticed that a lot of it sounded like
Bigfoot activity. And the further I've gone down that rabbit hole,
the more similarities I seem to run across. And then
it came to the point where my good friend Bob
dem Is a Bigfoot Club podcast, pointed out that when

(32:00):
whenever we discuss infrasound in the Bigfoot world, the physical
effects that are reportedly caused by infrasound, which is just
a theory. Nobody knows if Bigfoot's really making them for
sound or not. But these effects that a lot of
people report experiencing are very similar to the effects that

(32:20):
people get from fluctuations in em F, which is something
that paranormal researchers look for to kind of explain away hauntings.
So I actually compiled a list and there's a lot
of overlaps whenever it comes to E MF and infrasound
effects on the human body.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, you know, I think you're absolutely right, and it
is fascinating that the EMF em fields can create those
those same scenarios. And honestly, before right now, I'd never
really made that correlation to the infrasound, But now that
you've mentioned it's like, well, yeah, it does. People feel

(33:01):
this incredible sense of fear and discomfort and confusion and nausea,
and certainly there is there's got to be something and
I don't understand it at all, but there seems to
be something with the EM field that is present also

(33:25):
in bigfoot research, because I've talked to so many researchers
through the years that have experienced strange battery drain out
in the field. It's just like boom, fresh batteries go dad.
Weird equipment malfunctions that don't make sense is real common

(33:45):
as well, So you're right. I mean, maybe what people
are experiencing isn't really so much directly the infrasound as
it is some sort of electromagnetic disturbance that and I
don't know that big foot is the cause of it,
but perhaps it's it's something about the environment that they choose.

(34:07):
Maybe they choose areas that have you know, because EM
is a very natural VM fields are very naturally a
part of our world, and if you consider things like
lay lines and all of that, perhaps that also manifests
in you know, the EM spectrum or causes variations and
even spikes. And yeah, perhaps people are encountering EM fields

(34:31):
in bigfoot research, but they're calling it in for sound
because that's again a very physical plausible idea, but it
doesn't cover all the bases. And but the other things
like battery drain equipment malfunction.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
You're right, is very very much a parallel.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
To you know, doing ghost investigating and research and such
that comes up all the time. I've experienced it myself
many times. It was saying ignatious. I was going going
into there and up on the third level, which is
the nuns Quarters, the old Nuns Quarters, my battery which
was just fine on a floor below, went dead boom.

(35:11):
It was just done on my camera. I'm like, oh
my god, this is crazy. So I had to swap
out my battery pack and then that one went pretty
quick as well.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
And yeah, I mean, maybe.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
There is some em fluctuations that are also present. Maybe
they are just again regional. Maybe something about the Bigfoot
enjoys those kind of fields. I don't know, but they
don't seem to agree with us.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, not very many Bigfoot researchers take EMF detectures with
them out in the field. True, you knows, more.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
And more of them are though. I've been hearing more
and more people are utilizing more ghostly investigative equipment on
these investigations and coming up with some real on the
homous results.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I was recently going back and forth in email with
somebody about infrasound who had actually had a background in
the military and knew some things, you know, and had
experimented or you know, used equipment that detects infrasound. So
they were asking about the usage of that in the

(36:17):
field of bigfoot, and I explained to him that, like
most of that equipment isn't readily available to bigfooters. You know,
it's very expensive and commonly the consumer grade electronics, microphones,
recorders and all that are designed for human hearing in
human use, so they don't even have the ability to

(36:37):
record infrasound. And you wouldn't be able to see it
on any of the spectrum analyzers anyway, because they go
below the threshold. YadA YadA. But as far as we know,
it's this is my hang up. People are experiencing something.
I've experienced something personally, and the symptoms do line up

(37:03):
with infrasound in a lot of situations, But nobody has
observed a bigfoot producing the infrasound. We just know that
there are animals in the world that use infrasound, so
maybe bigfoot can too. You know, if it's a large mammal,
it should be able to at least possibly have the capability,

(37:27):
But a lot of times it just seems like if
I'm going to an area of woods because I think
Bigfoot's there, and I hear voices in the woods while
I'm there, I'm going to try to record it, but
at most I'm going to come home and say, hey,
I heard Bigfoot talking. You know, I heard vocalizations while

(37:49):
I was in the woods.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
If I'm a ghost hunter and I go to the
same set of woods because it's known to be haunted,
and I hear voices in the woods, Hey I heard
disembodied voices from spirits.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, yeah, very true, very true.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
And you know, we don't know anything about either of
them really, you know, whether it's one or the other
or both. I don't think that they're the same thing,
but I suspect that maybe they're. And I don't know
how to quantify this and how to make this make sense,
but I almost wonder if they're not utilizing the same

(38:27):
kind of mechanics between them, because one of the potential
possibilities of what we understand to be ghosts or spirits.
Of course, the obvious is the formerly living person, but
there's plenty of other things that were never people. And
we're never human that are believed to be what we
experience as spiritual entities as well. Shadow people are one.

(38:51):
They're supposed to be allegedly something of their own that's humanoid,
but they're not people. There's certainly the elementals, there's the
demonic or the you know, other kind of dark entities
in that regard. There's any number of things, but that
doesn't preclude them being interdimensional. And perhaps they just don't

(39:15):
have a form that we would be able to observe physically,
but they can become either a part of our realm
or not. And you're right, I mean when you're when
you're out there looking for Bigfoot, and that is kind
of important to remember because if I'm out looking for Bigfoot,
no matter what happens, I gotta you know, you're gonna
have a confirmation bias that whatever you encounter is going

(39:39):
to be Bigfoot related. But it didn't necessarily unless you
see the Bigfoot actually doing something right.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
So well, yeah, but that makes the trip successful, Yeah it.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Does, but you know it also it could be you
just happen to find a real haunted part of the forest.
You know, haunted forests are as old as time. Too,
story of certain woodlands, and even in the first nations,
they had areas that they knew were evil, and it
didn't always have to do with with Bigfoot or some
version of that. It was usually more spiritual that there

(40:13):
were some places that they just shouldn't go because bad
things were there and could put their very you know,
their very existence in danger. So I think you're right.
And it's a tough one to try to say whether
it's one or the other, but you know, whatever you're

(40:33):
looking at seems to be the obvious culprit according to
the researchers. And I'm not putting anybody down. I think that,
you know, if I go into a if I go
into a what's regarded as a haunted location and have
what I think is spiritual activity, it could also be
extraterrestrial activity. Because there's an incredible bleed through between all

(40:55):
of these phenomena and the kind of experiences people have
encountering them. You know, like with Bigfoot people people do
claim that they melt into nothing right in front of
their eyes. There are the trackways that disappear in the
middle of a field, and where do they go, Like
there's tracks all the way up to the middle of

(41:15):
a field and then there's none in snow or whatever.
That doesn't make sense, right, But they went somewhere. And
I'm not suggesting everybody should embrace that possibility, but certainly
spirits manifest and melt away, as do extraterrestrials. So are
we always sure what we're dealing with? No, but maybe

(41:38):
they all exploit or utilize similar mechanics in order to
do what they do. And I realize that's a really
ambiguous answer, but I just don't think we know enough
to draw any conclusions.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, it pushes that bigfoot needle further over to the supernatural.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Area, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And I realize that that's an uncomfortable way, actually an
uncomfortable place for me personally. And it's not because I
don't think that it's possible. It's just I don't know
what to do with that. I don't know because I
do have a logical mind, I really do. I have
an open mind, but it's also very logical, and it's

(42:18):
rooted in understanding or trying to understand. And if you
tell me that a ghost, which is an exclusively energetic
presence can operate and disaperate, that makes sense to me
because it's all about frequency and manifesting. It's energy to
the point that you can visually see.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
It or not.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
But when you're seeing there's a nine to ten foot tall,
sixteen hundred pound primate type thing out in the forest
that can melt away like a ghost, I don't know
how to do that mentally, you know, That's where I
get stuck. So do I do have my own paradigm
that I struggle with with this stuff. But I do
also acknowledge that throughout the course of doing my shows,

(43:02):
the one thing that I can be sure of is
that it seems like anything's possible.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Man.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Well, whenever it comes to ghosts again, it's that whole
thing we talked about earlier with you know, if it's
in a book, it's true. Spirits were always presented in
a way of energy, but you're really powerful manifestations. It's

(43:31):
a person. Sometimes it's somebody that the person recognizes. Most
of the times it's not. But you can look at
it and say it's a person. Sure, it's floating and
semi transparent, but it's wearing clothes usually and it's a human.
And that's where the concept of oh, well, it's the

(43:52):
spirit of the decease came from you know, we see them, Sure,
that's what they are, aliens. I've never personally seen an alien,
but alien witnesses who claim to have seen aliens. They
look like nothing on this planet. They don't resemble anything
now there. Of course, there are some people that would

(44:14):
argue that and say, well, you have the you know,
the tall Nordics, and then you've got the mantis. You know,
they look like things from this planet, I guess. But primarily,
whenever I think of aliens, I think of grays and
that's it. Bigfoot. Bigfoot looks like all the other primates

(44:34):
on this planet. It has all the right physical characteristics
of mammals and primates and looks like it fits right
in there with everything else on this planet. So that's
where my disconnect has always been. It looks like it fits.
It doesn't look like something from another dimension. In my mind,

(44:58):
my understanding of, you know, a different dimension. It wouldn't
even exist physically the same way that things exist physically here,
So it's not something that we'd even be able to
see like. It just doesn't even make any sense. Why
would it have hair, Why would it have two eyes
and a nose and a mouth and teeth and five
fingers and five toes. I just can't wrap my head

(45:19):
around how does this one thing have all these abilities,
not just one ability, but multiple abilities that nothing else
on this planet has ever been observed doing. Like a
dog doesn't just vanish. A dog doesn't mind speak. If

(45:39):
it does, I haven't experienced it, or no, anybody that
openly has their eyes don't glow and produce their own light.
But a lot of people claim that they've experienced numerous
things like that in regards to Bigfoot, right, I.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Think, honestly, I think one of the trappings that throws
people off with that is is and this is just
more more the terminology. But I think where a lot
of people say interdimensional or extra dimensional entities, they're thinking
in terms of one dimension, which is just length or

(46:21):
width or whatever, and then there's the length and width
for two dimensions, and then length width and depth or height.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Or whatever you know.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I mean, where you're adding levels of complexity based on
dimensional existence. But I think what a lot of people
are really referring to is more of a multiverse kind
of approach like that, maybe there's other variations of.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Our universe existing.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Just literally out of just out of phase to us,
but they're still maybe occupying a similar space. But there's
different mechanics in.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
These other.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Multiverse so possibilities of life, and I think that you know,
everybody uses you know, it's a multi dimensional meaning that,
but I think their meaning that it could just be
coming from another another version of Earth, but not necessarily
the one that we understand. And perhaps there are different

(47:20):
mechanics there, but I don't think that they're one and
the same, And I think it's it's it's misrepresenting it
the same multidimensional or an extra dimensional creature, because that
would imply fourth fifth, you know, which have increasing levels
of complexity and dynamic as they go up, whereas most

(47:42):
people are just talking about look at something that doesn't
exist here, but maybe can can be here if the
conditions are right, or if there's some other mechanic working
to give them access. You know, we talk about spirit
portals all the time and potential portals where you know,
time space slips occur and potential portal type manifestations that

(48:05):
may allow access from these other multiversal realities, and these
maybe are part of that. And I'm not suggesting that's
the case. But I just think that's that's where the
logic kind of trips is because it's speaking in terms
of dimensions, which dimensions are not the same as the multiverse.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Does that make any.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Well, that's part of my hang up is a lot
of explanations given are, in my opinion, given incorrectly. Yeah,
I would, and we can use portals as an example.
I understand it's just a lack of verbiage on most
people's part, but you know, portals is something that has

(48:52):
always been around in the paranormal and has also entered
the cryptid world. And whenever somebody says portal, we imagine
you know that typically a glowing doorway of sorts opens
up and something steps through from another world. That's that's
not how it works. That that's not a thing like

(49:13):
if something were to travel through a wormhole or come
from another place. There's no way to control that or
where it goes or how long it takes or anything.
So whenever people start applying you know, most recently quantum
physics and mechanics and to explain air normal bigfoot stuff,

(49:34):
they need to understand how that stuff works and how
those theories work before they start applying that to a subject.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, I mean, if there's if you're ever wanting one
of the things that is suggested that on whatever investigating
you should do. If you're if you're considering portals of
any measure to be part of the equation, whether it's spirits, ghosts,
or cryptoc did you should be bringing some form of
Geiger counter along that can measure different forms of radiation, because,

(50:07):
as far as I understand in.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Theory, if a portal were actually.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
To open, such as a wormhole or any other gateway
sort of thing, You're right, it wouldn't be visual, but
it would be you may be able to measure a
gamma burst, which should happen if there was some form
of gateway like that opening between realities, so to speak,
quote unquote, And you know, but yeah, I mean most

(50:31):
times when I've covered portals, like I've covered so many
stories through the years, and again, I can't tell you
these stories are real. They're represented as real, and that's
the way I represent them on my shows and in
my discussions. I don't know, I have experienced a space
slip before where I was driving in a blizzard and
suddenly I was a mile past a real twisty part

(50:53):
that I was really worried about hitting. I had my
oldest son and I in the car, and I was
really worried about it because I could literally five feet
in front of my car and that was it. And
we were about to snake down through this twisty path
through a valley and I was like, my god, I
don't know if I'll be able to see the road,
but if we stop, we're gonna get stuck, and we're
going to be stuck out here for a long time.

(51:14):
So I was just like, I just got to go
slow and get home. And the next thing I knew,
we were a mile past that and I'd never turned
my car wheel where I would have had to turn,
you know, significantly in both directions, and and my eldest
son said it to me first. He's like, Dad, what
just happened? And I said, I don't know. But somehow
we traversed about a mile of distance in a heartbeat,

(51:37):
and I didn't feel anything. I didn't notice anything other
than suddenly I saw a sign for a town that
I shouldn't have seen for quite some time, coming right
up like we're entering it, and it blew me away.
I've covered many stories of people walking through the woods
suddenly on a path that they know really well, and

(51:58):
suddenly they look around and they're in totally unfamiliar area,
Like it can be day versus night, or jungle versus forest,
or you know, planes versus you know, mountaintop or something,
and it's this this traversal that happened where they didn't know.
And many times people are like, oh my god. So
they start stepping backward and suddenly boom, everything is the

(52:20):
way it should be. And there wasn't any there wasn't
any indication to them that they had gone through anything,
but clearly in their perception they had. They traversed incredible
distances allegedly in just a heartbeat. So, you know, I
don't know what to make of that, but I can't
I can't discount the possibility, especially since I've experienced a

(52:43):
version of that myself.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I've experienced that same thing with my cousin. We were
actually coming home from a bigfoot out in in Texas
and I experienced it along with him in Tyler, Texas,
and I'll never forget it. We were on our way home.
It was the first time that we had been down

(53:08):
to that part of Texas. A few days prior to that,
we had driven through Tyler. Obviously it stands out because
back then, you know, you don't have GPS. You're relying
on road maps and atlases and stuff, so paying attention
to the surroundings and everything. And on the way home,

(53:28):
we're approaching Tyler, so I'm thinking about, like, okay, I
need to look for this turn and everything, and just boom,
we're about one or two miles outside of Tyler on
the opposite side. Oh and we both just kind of
like look at each other and what just happened? You know,

(53:51):
the clock is now like thirty six minutes later. Neither
one of us have any recollection of driving through Tyler.
We were in Tyler and then we were past it
and it's broad daylight, middle of the afternoon, like nothing,
you know, nothing abnormal atmosphere wise, no explanation for it.

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LP dot com slash Bigfoot Pod. Now back to the show. Coincidentally,
like I said, I was coming home from a Bigfoot outing. Yeah,
so is there a connection because one of the things
that is associated with infrasound and EMF again, one of

(56:28):
the symptoms is anxiety and panic disorder. And I was
not a person who had any anxiety disorders, never experienced
a panic attack or anything until I was on a
Bigfoot outing And during that outing, I started having anxiety issues.

(56:51):
And on my way home from that outing, I had
my first panic attack. And those panic attacks would be
come an integral part of my life for a very
long time. Wow, yeah, now I'm over it. I don't.
I don't have them anymore. They went away, Oh, thank goodness.

(57:15):
But for a long time, yeah, they were there, they
were severe, and I have no idea where they came from.
So did they come from Bigfoot? Did they come from
something I experienced that I don't realize I experienced.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
It's not something to consider like that you haven't experienced,
but somehow it's being blocked from your memory, like even
from stress. You know, people have stress reactions, like they
won't remember parts of their lives that were extraordinarily stressful.
So is it possible that you had a lot more
of a confrontation than you then you can recall.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
That's one of the things that really scares me because
we know that's a thing. We know that the human
mind will block out memory of an event that are
too stressful or traumatic for us to really deal with. Yeah,
So knowing that, and then people experience things like missing
time or just just the idea that like, yeah, something

(58:18):
happened to you that's so jacked up you can't even
remember it. Like that's crazy, man, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
And it seems like someone else is driving the bus.
At that point, it's like, wait a minute, who's in
charge of this? Well, maybe we're not as in charge
as we think we are, or any number of again,
looking for answers in the soup of all of this
weirdness is so tough, and I mean, it's a herculean

(58:47):
task regardless.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yeah, So I'm going to share a story a place
I've talked about over the years a few times, the
dead End Road. I'm trying to think, Yeah, the first
time I went to it. Oh crap, the first time
I went to the dead End Road was whenever I
experienced the missing time. Oh wow, Yeah, I just made

(59:12):
that connection. I had never thought about that before, but yeah, man, okay.
But anyway, so the dead End Road, I had been
there a few times, had never really had anything crazy happen,
vocalizations and stuff like that, but it was a place.

(59:33):
It was the first place I went to involving bigfoot stuff,
where just going there, it was one of those places
where something's not right. This place does not feel right,
something's off. And the last time I went there, which

(59:54):
was the reason it was the last time I went there,
I had some experiences that you know, I did not
attribute to Bigfoot in any way, but I guess if
you did apply Bigfoot to it, it would have been
considered a paranormal Bigfoot experience. But it was because of

(01:00:16):
my you know again growing up in a haunted house
and everything. I just automatically shoved it over into the
ghost pile, you know. And yeah, so there was a
couple of things that happened on that trip that was weird.
There was. It was definitely a place where, like you
were talking about, batteries would drain instantly and you know,

(01:00:38):
equipment would malfunction. And it was a dead end road
in a forest. That's why we called it the dead end.
And we were there. I was with a group of
people and it was pitch black dark in Texas, there's
no ambient light, and there was probably man if I

(01:01:03):
wanted to count it up, there was probably eight to
ten people there at the time it was. We were
a pretty large group of people at this dead end,
you know, multiple vehicles looking for Bigfoot, mostly just recording audio.
Was really the only purpose of us being there. We
weren't really out there looking or you know, going out
into the woods even. We were just had our audio

(01:01:25):
recorders out listening for sounds and stuff, hoping that something
would come, you know, walk around and mess with us
or something. And I started feeling sick, not anxious, just sick,
like nauseous and dizzy, and I tried drinking some water.
Didn't help, and the longer I was there, the worse

(01:01:46):
it got. Well. At one point there was one of
the people was driving a suburban and it was parked
parallel to the tree line on one side, and they
had taken a gag camera and basically mounted it in
the passenger side window facing the tree line, which the

(01:02:09):
tree line was only like a couple feet away. But
the idea was is something tried to sneak up from
that side, you know, the camera would go off. And
I was on the other side of the suburban, and
like I said, it was extremely dark, and I saw
a person walking next to the suburban from like the

(01:02:31):
front of the hood, going down the side of the car.
I couldn't tell who it was because it was too dark,
but it was definitely human shaped, and it was between
the suburban and the tree line, so a very small space.
And it all happened really fast, you know, because it's
just like a person walking. I look over there, I

(01:02:52):
see them walking, and I'm thinking, that idiot, they're fixing
it get blasted with a flash from that camera, you know,
because they're gonna walk right by the camera right and
it was in the front passenger window of the vehicle.
So I have no explanation with this. The person that

(01:03:12):
I saw walked right past the camera down the other
side of the vehicle. Now I obviously I couldn't see them.
They weren't like taller than the vehicle or anything. But
I saw them from the front of the vehicle as
they walked past the side of the hood and then
out of my view blocked by the vehicle where the
camera was mounted. And the flash never goes off, the

(01:03:36):
camera never gets triggered.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
WHOA.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
So I walk around behind the vehicle towards the tree line,
and there's just nobody there. Nobody's back there, there's nobody
on the side of the vehicle or anything. But I'm
feeling sick, you know. So I'm just like, Okay, that
was weird, you know, and I'm starting to like freak

(01:04:01):
out a little bit because now I don't know what
I just saw. So then I noticed that there's this rope,
like a legit rope, hanging from the tree. There's like
this big tree at the end of the dead end
and it's I'm assuming like an oak tree, and you know,

(01:04:24):
it has these big, overhanging limbs, and there's this rope
hanging down that's just barely head level. But whenever I
would turn to look at it directly, I couldn't see anything.
It was just like if I was like walking around,
like turning my head, I would see it there. Out
of my peripheral I would see it there. But if

(01:04:46):
I turned and looked at it, like what's that rope
doing there? It was gone. And I watched people subconsciously
kind of duck down as they walked underneath the rope.
They kind of like, you know, move their head down
between their shoulders a bit, so it was like they
were noticing it. But like nobody's saying anything about this rope.

(01:05:08):
And I mean, we're in the deep woods of East Texas.
I don't need to paint a horrible picture or anything,
but you know, sure. And so as the night progressed,
I kept on getting sicker and sicker and sicker, to
the point where I had to actually lay down in
the backseat of the suburban. You know, Like I said,

(01:05:31):
I tried drinking water. I thought at first, maybe I'm
dehydrate or something. I just I couldn't shake it. I
felt so sick, and I felt so bad and so uneasy,
and finally I told everybody, I've got to go. Something's wrong.
I do not feel good. I can't be here anymore.

(01:05:52):
And I made everybody. I felt like shit. Man, you know,
nobody wants to do that. You're on a big foot
out and there's like ten people and like, okay, But
you know, they were all nice about it and everything.
We all loaded up and we left and we went,
you know, drove off the dead end going down the road.

(01:06:15):
We turned a corner and you're kind of in this
straightaway for a while. It's probably a quarter mile down
the road, and I start feeling better, not getting not
one hundred percent, but the farther I got away from
that location, the better I felt. Now, for the next
couple of days, I was pretty drained energy wise, but

(01:06:38):
I felt okay. The nauseous and disneyness and everything went
away immediately. So a guy who's local that I talked
to that wasn't there at the time said that that
was a place where some really bad things had happened,

(01:06:59):
involved involving a rope. I won't go into it. And
later on in my own research, I found that the
location is kind of a famous place because there's a
real old sawmill there, not at the dead end, but
in the vicinity next to the river, and the sawmill

(01:07:20):
is still there. It's kind of a tourist attraction. People
take hikes and look at it and everything. It's dilapidated
building at this point, you can't even tell what it was.
But doing my own research, I found that whenever it
was in operation, it did in fact have some slave
labor going on, and there were slave quarters in the

(01:07:42):
woods there and a burial site that wasn't necessarily at
the dead end, but it was within close proximity. So
this is just like an area where yeah, bad Juju, man,
bad Juju. There's you know, some beliefs that in the
old sawmill. Like I said, it's covered in graffiti and everything.

(01:08:04):
It's a dilapidated building, prime area for people to go
worship Satan and do all that sort of thing. Who
knows what goes on there, you know, but yeah, weird
place man, and and kind of has that whole you know.
Since then, that's my I got zapped by Bigfoot story,
you know, that's my infrasound story, because that's you know,

(01:08:27):
the train of thought like, oh, it must have been Bigfoot.
At the time, I thought it was paranormal. Then it
went to like, oh, well bigfoot infrasound, you know, And
then I went back to the paranormal aspect of it,
you know, with the rope and everything, and maybe that
was a shadow person I saw or a spirit or something.
And now it's just there's that overlap.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, and that's that's always going to be a big
question mark, and I think I think it'll remain that
until until we can, maybe at some point point in
some unforseeable future, identify what these phenomena are. You know. Again,
I'm personally I'm in the flesh and blood camp, but

(01:09:11):
I can't. I can't. I can't discredit those people that say, wait,
there's something more going on here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I haven't, and you know, unfortunately or maybe fortunately or unfortunately,
and it's up to the individual to decide. But I
am kind of one of those guys that I've got
to see it at least to acknowledge it, because I can't.
I can't conceptualize it, you know, the whole Bigfoot is
all these other things. Is it possible I acknowledge it?

(01:09:43):
Can be yeah, and I can be absolutely wrong about
it just being flesh and blood. I think I think
at the very least Bigfoot is flesh and blood at
least some of the time, you know, and maybe not
all the time. And again I don't understand the mechanics
of that. But but then again, what is spiritual activity?
What is that exactly? And we don't have any answers

(01:10:04):
either way. Really, we just have ideas in theories, but
how they interrelate or how do they overlap? And why
what is going on that makes these two very different
phenomena incredibly similar in a lot of ways. And that's
that's the conundrum, And maybe it has more to do

(01:10:25):
with us than the actual phenomena. Like again, I like this.
I like to steer back to the idea that, look,
we are a part of every one of our experiences.
We are the common denominator. Whether you're having a Bigfoot
experience or a spiritual experience, or a UFO experience or
a strange phenomena experience, you're still a part of that equation.

(01:10:47):
And I think that that means we play a much
more profound role in it than we think. We kind
of look at it like, well, things are just happening
to us, and that's just too bad. But isn't it
kind of empowering to think that maybe, on some level,
whether super consciously, subconsciously, or somewhere in between, that we
are facilitating these events to a degree, Not that we're

(01:11:11):
you know, actively trying to generate them and horrible things
are happening, but that we are activating certain mechanics within
ourselves that makes us able to perceive these things in
these incredibly unique ways. And I don't know if that
makes sense or not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
No, absolutely does it, really does, I agree to a
certain extent. You know, obviously we don't know anything for
a fact at this point, but you're right, the common
factor in all this stuff is us humans people, And
then like skeptics, you know, you have your people who

(01:11:52):
aren't necessarily believers and that experience these things and it
changes their world obviously, But it's pretty rare to run
across somebody who's just like I was a complete skeptic.
I made fun of it, I debunked all of it,
and then I had an experience that doesn't typically happen.

(01:12:14):
People that are like that usually don't experience anything, right, right, Yeah,
so is there something inside us that triggers it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I think there has to be. I've just come to
that conclusion like we are we're again, we are the
only common denominator in all of it, and I you
know again. I've even covered stories where people have experienced
phenomena in groups and different members of the group experienced
a different thing, sometimes do an extraordinary amount of divergence

(01:12:48):
from each other. And it's like, how could they have
been in the same event, in the same place, experiences
the same activity, and yet come away with just incredible
diverse interpretations of it. And that to me has to
signal some part of the experiencer being facility, a facilitator

(01:13:09):
of the event. I mean, it just I'm really sold
on that personally.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Well, there was a situation with my aunt who at
the time was living in a farmhouse outside of Weston, Missouri.
And this farmhouse part of the deal was they got
to live there for free because the farmhouse sat on
a tobacco farm, and as long as they took care

(01:13:35):
of the property and everything, they got to live in
the house for free. So they had like this huge
acreage of property. And she knew I was into bigfoot,
and she wasn't necessarily a believer, but she just didn't
put a lot of stock into it, and whenever we
did talk about it, she was just kind of like, well,

(01:13:57):
you know, I'm sure you know, it's just of God's creatures,
and if we're meant to find out that it's real,
we will and blah blah blah. And that was pretty
much the extent of it. So one day she calls
me and she's like, hey, have you ever heard of
bigfoot knocking on houses? And I'm just like, what do

(01:14:23):
you mean knocking on houses? Like knocking on the door.
And she's like, no, like just like hitting the side
of a house, like slapping it. And I'm just like, well,
as a matter of fact, yes, I've heard of that
at time or two before. Why do you ask? So
she starts piling all this information on me, and she
prefaces all of it with I thought my house was haunted,

(01:14:49):
and she tells me that she had experienced something slapping
the side of the house. That's kind of how it started.
And then there was like some in distances where you know,
we're talking about out in the country here, so there
was like a skunk that you know, her husband had
killed and threw out on the burn pile or whatever,

(01:15:10):
and the next day it's laying on the front porch
of the house. Now, that could have been an animal,
you know. So that's kind of just how people write
things off. You know, it's probably just an animal. Well,
then there's you know these trash barrels where they throw
their trash away, and something's getting into the trash barrels

(01:15:30):
and rummaging through the trash but not making a mess
and then putting the lid back on the top of
the barrel. Yeah, so then we had that incident. Then
we had there's like a cedar tree next to the
driveway and she goes out to her car one morning

(01:15:52):
and the top of the cedar tree is snapped off
and laying on the hood of the car. There had
no storms or anything, and the cedar tree itself, if
it had just broken on its own and fallen from
the top of the tree, it was too far away
from the car to land on the car. It was

(01:16:15):
clearly placed there. And then there was another instance where
she went out to her car and again lives out
in the country in Missouri. No reason to lock your
doors or anything at night. Everything in the front seat
like she had if I remember right, she had like

(01:16:36):
one of those little cases with like CDs and stuff
in it and all that. Oh yeah, and like a
you know, a pop bottle up there or something, you know,
just a messy car, and everything in the front had
been moved to the back. Nothing was missing, but everything

(01:16:58):
was in the back seat and the door was open.
But that was it. Nothing gone, Like they didn't take
the CDs. Basically at the time, must have been kids,
you know her Her driveway is like a quarter mile long.

(01:17:18):
You know, kids, in the middle of night, we're gonna
go sneak up on that farmhouse and run into this car.
But yeah, and then so she was working part time
nights as a bartender, and so she had a motion
light on the back of the house because she had
parked by the back and going through the back door.

(01:17:38):
And so there's a motion light on the back corner
of the house. And she comes home one night and
the light doesn't come on. It's broken, and she trips
on the sidewalk, falls, knocks like a tooth loose. It
was horrible. Oh, she was so mad, so like it
really stood out to her that the light didn't come

(01:17:59):
on right and so she's like cussing, my uncle. You know,
you need to get the light fixed, you know, the
light bulbs went out or whatever. So he goes out
there and the motion detector had been pushed all the
way up where it was pointing up and the lights
weren't fine. And we're talking it's on the eve of

(01:18:22):
a house, you know, so it's you know, he had
to get a ladder to reach it. If that tells
you how high it was. Obviously they didn't measure it
or anything. But that happened like two or three more times,
and I was like, I was like, well, did you
ever see anything? And she was like no. But there's like,

(01:18:44):
you know, sometimes whenever I'd come home at night, because
she would get home after bar closed, so it would
be like, you know, sometimes three o'clock in the morning,
and she's pretty much blind as a bat, hence her
tripping and falling when the light didn't come on, and
she would talk about you know, sometimes I'd stop my
car and I'd get out and I'd feel like somebody
was standing there watching me, or I'd I'd think I'd

(01:19:06):
hear somebody running off in the darkness, but I couldn't
never see anything. And as it turns out, so her property,
like I said, was a big acreage and it's mostly
clear cut for tobacco. But then there's a tree line
and there's like a finger of woods that kind of

(01:19:28):
comes out towards her house on the closest point to
where this bard sits on the back of her property,
and that finger of woods leads to the rest of
the woods, and those woods are actually in a river bottom.
And later on she called me and asked me if

(01:19:50):
I knew these two guys, and she said their names,
and I said it doesn't really ring a bell. Why
And she said, well, they're bigfoot hunters and they came
and knocked on my door and they wanted permission to
come on my property and set up cameras because they
believe bigfoot are traveling that river back there and are

(01:20:11):
coming up on my property possibly. And yeah, and so
like you know, I get on the computer, I look
up their names and like, yeah, I find out who
they are, you know, what group they're with at the
time and everything. I was like, yeah, don't let them
on the property. Hey, it's my family. You know, you're

(01:20:33):
gonna have to have some pretty strong bigfoot credentials to
get on my family's property. Sorry, and those guys didn't
cut it. But yeah, so but like I said, the
whole thing like, she was very hesitant to ever even
mention it to me because she thought it was like
a haunting. She thought weird stuff was happening around her house.
But like a bigfooter hears this stuff is like, oh man,

(01:20:54):
that's bigfoot, you know instantly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's certain certainly some phenomena which is
is almost carbon copy for from account to account to
account that you can go, yeah, that's a big foot.
That's that's clearly a bigfoot. There's so many of the
behaviors are just stereotypical bigfoot activity that we've heard hundreds
or thousands of times in so many encounter stories, which

(01:21:18):
is you know, as a side note, is why I
love people's reports because that's the only constant we have
in any of this, is what people are reporting to us. Yeah,
you know, it's these behaviors over and over, and they're
seeing these behaviors displayed over and over and case after
case after case, so that gives us insight. That's the

(01:21:38):
only commonality and the only consistent insight that we have
is these reports, but but there's other stuff that's like,
you know, kind of blurs the lines. It's like, well,
I don't know why the bigfoot melted away in your
front yard. I don't I don't understand that. I don't
know what to tell you that. That doesn't make sense
to me, But it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
So yeah, I think there's an an incredible amount of
value on witness reports.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
I know they're fallible. I get it. However, like you said,
you know, it's the collection of reports where you start
seeing that data repeat itself, and that's kind of how
we figure things out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yeah, that's how we put together any kind of behavioral
profile on these things at all. It's like, well, big
for are curious, Well how do you know that? Well,
because consistently, when people go camping and they're out in
the woods or they're of a cabin near the woods,
these things are coming up and checking out what's going on,
like they want to know, and they're constantly observed watching

(01:22:46):
people in different settings. Like if this was truly a
species that was hell bent on our absence, that wouldn't
be happening. But they seem to be definitely interested in
what we're doing, so we can corroborate that through thousands
of different reports that tell us this is what they
were observed doing. Well, yeah, they're curious.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
And there are those overlaps, which is one of the
reasons I am interested in talking to people with all
kinds of experiences, not just bigfoot, but dog man, aliens, ghosts, whatever,
because it's those overlaps that interest me. And you know,
I'm not just subject specific, I'm into all of it.

(01:23:32):
And it's just, you know, less and less people are
coming forward. Man, They're less likely to share their story,
or they'll share it once and they think that they're done.
They don't need to share it anymore because they already
shared it. But the therapeutic reasons are enough, and the
fact that it helps build the database of information for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
And it's impowered to I think it's it's it's empowering
for people that haven't decided to come forward to hear
someone else come out and tell their story, and it
emboldens more people to say, well, yeah, I've got this
story too. I wonder if they'd be interested in that. Like,
I think that that again, there's still that that issue
with people experiencing the strange and unusual. It's like, what

(01:24:21):
do I do with this? Because you know, we all
have our pure groups, we all have our family groups, but.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Not every family.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
You know, every family wants to hear like, hey, you
got a promotion network, or oh things aren't going good
with your spouse, but not hey, I saw a big,
ten foot tall, hairy thing in my yard. You know,
they don't know what to do with that, and so
people feel this incredible isolation. But again, through the through
the network of shows and opportunities that they have to

(01:24:49):
check out other people sharing their stories, it's like, well, wow,
maybe maybe I can talk to these guys about it.
Maybe this is a place where I can put that
because you know, it didn't used to be the case,
but it is now, and thank god, and the more
people that share, the more that it really does help
to paint a more clear picture for the rest of

(01:25:10):
us what the hell's going on with this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
It floors me to hear that there are instances where
people have shared their story with someone. Maybe it's a podcast,
maybe it's a researcher taking a report, whatever, but I've
had witnesses tell me, are you going to make fun

(01:25:33):
of me, you know, are are you just you know,
trying to make fun of me? Are you going to
put me out there and make fun of me, or
are you going to like tell me that I didn't
experience or whatever, because they've experienced that with other people.
And it just blows my mind because I understand the
vetting process. I understand that you don't want to provide

(01:25:55):
a platform for some hoaxer or some liar just to
get some tension. But it's been my experience, like you
said earlier, that the people that make up stories are
trying to get attention, They're trying to get in front
of a large crowd. And you can tell the difference
between that and somebody that's kind of timid and kind

(01:26:17):
of reluctant to share their story and doesn't really want
to put it out there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Yeah, well, you know, I mean not like, not everybody's
qualified to be a counselor. I mean, some people just
aren't good listeners. But the thing could be said for
a host. Not everybody. He is a good host and
will make their guests feel comfortable and feel good about
sharing their experiences. I mean there's some there's some garbage
people out there in every walk of life, and certainly

(01:26:44):
podcasts and shows are no different. Now, you know, I
gotta I gotta at least qualify that and say, look that,
you know, everybody I've met so far has been absolutely wonderful,
and I've met some incredible new friends and lifelong friends
that I'm sure I have forever because of doing this
and meeting other hosts that do their show as much

(01:27:05):
like yourself. But there are some people out there that
I don't endeavor to try to meet just because I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Don't I don't wanna.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
I don't want to get involved in that other side
of this, because there is another side, you know, and
unfortunately they have, they have their approach, they have the
way that they do things, and it's not up to
me to say they should or shouldn't be doing it.
But I can just say that I think it's important
when somebody does come forward and was willing to share
their story to feel a like it's appreciated, because you know,

(01:27:39):
these stories are valuable, and also that they're they're they're
speaking to a compassionate hear about it, not someone that's
kind of yucking and joking through their thing. And and
just I don't know, trying to make a mockery of it,
and and so I don't know, I don't know if
that makes sense or not. But I think there's in
every walk of life, there's people that are really good

(01:28:00):
at their jobs. There's people that aren't really good at
their jobs. And you know, I would just impress upon
people before you go on a show, listen to it.
Make sure it's a show that you like and you trust,
and you know the people are going to treat you
okay and talk you through this experience. But again, and

(01:28:20):
I'm not blowing my own horn. I'm not saying it's
always me, but I just think it's important to let
people know that, Look, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Not here to judge you. I'm not here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
I mean, obviously, not every interview I've ever done makes
it onto the show, and that can be for any
number of reasons, but certainly one of those reasons can
be Look, I listened to the person, and I don't
believe that they're being honest about what was going on
and what they experienced. And you know, I guess you
got to be a gatekeeper to some degree. But at

(01:28:50):
the same sense, you know, I do consider it a
sincere honor when people come forward and are willing to
share their stories on my show, because I mean, it
is a it is a it's an active trust on
their parts to come on my show and expose themselves.
Much as you know people coming on your show, I mean,
they kind of bearn their soul. They're bearing some of

(01:29:11):
their most terrifying memories that they have out in public,
and it should be done tastefully and in helping manner.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Yeah, I agree, And like you said, the whole point
of that was not to say, oh, I'm better and
you should come on my show. You should, But that
wasn't the point. The point is, if that does, for
some reason happen to you, don't give up. It's worth
to find somebody else, go on another podcast, go on

(01:29:41):
a different website, and submit your report, because you're really
helping tremendously by sharing your experience more than you can
possibly know, not only for yourself, but like we're saying,
for the other individuals. And maybe it's not my show,
maybe it's somebody else's show. That's fine, just get it out,
get it out there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Yeah, absolutely, we all stand to a benefit from more
people coming forward and explaining what they saw and what
they experienced, because you know, we stand to learn something
with every encounter.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Brent, thanks for coming on and talking about these subjects
that we love so much that sticking our brains all
the time and never make any more sense.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
They don't make much more sense, but I tell you
I wouldn't trade the journey for anything. I just love,
love doing this and I'm really honored to be back.
You know, I've always loved coming on the crossroads and
hashing it out with you, and by all means, you
ever need me, just holler, brother, I'm here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Yeah, I appreciate it, and tell everybody where they can
find you at.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Probably the best place to go is Paranormalportal dot net
because that's my homepage and it'll explain to the other
different different shows that I do have. They're both they're
all called Paranormal Portal, but they're not all the same shows.
So I have a YouTube channel, I have a Rumble channel.
I stream live on Facebook, x, Twitch, et cetera. But

(01:31:12):
I also have podcasts which are audio as well as
just like Matts, and you can find those on all
the platforms out there, but just do a search or
Paranormal Portal or go to paranormal Portal dot net.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
And if you would like to come on this podcast
and share your story, email me at Bigfoot Crossroad at
gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot crossroads dot com.
You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,
everything you need all in one place. And until next time,
remember there's something in the woods.

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