Ep:178 The Spiritual Sasquatch

While some bigfoot encounters are no different than encountering any other wildlife in the woods, others are much different. Some people claim to have had almost spiritual encounters with sasquatch, and view them as higher beings. My guest has had many experiences throughout his life of a spiritual nature, and his encounters with a family of bigfoot are no different.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
My version of Bigfoot is not some big scary beast.
It's not a scary creature of a highly lightened spiritual being.
I didn't go looking for a Bigfoot, but on a
particular trip out to tow Lake, Washington, when when three
days in twenty seventeen, that's what happened, I would share
this papping there was just be a capp hap hap hap.

(00:23):
It went on for probably an hour, so every time
I just about fall asleep, this tapping would return. So
it's like, you know, I got woke up and I
had the pee, you know, I opened the door and
start to do my business and look up again. The
ego mind kick then and wants to stay like, well,
what's that a big old cow standing on a pine leg?

(00:43):
You know, that's not what it was. The best I
can describe is is it It vanishes now, It doesn't
just like go poof right and at dawned, but it's
from the top of the head gears start to almost
just like de materialize. Yeah. No, it was solid. I
mean I'm sure in that did. If I would have
gone up there and poked it, it would been pretty
It would have had density to it, So yeah, I know,

(01:05):
I know it was solid, but at one point, I
know it just it just dematerialized. It was not there.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Now you're in Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm like a stone's throw from the Tennessee border, and
I'm about at south Central that you can get. Lake
Cumberland is very close to me. And I've got the
Cumberland River actually in my backyard that you know, that's
that's one big stassy river, you know. So it goes
a lot of places. And I was actually drawn out
to this area from a visit to a friend's place

(02:13):
probably about seven years back. Really she's got a little yeah,
she's got a little spot not far for me in
Russell Springs. So you know, everything out here is a
half hour away, even if it's you know, five minutes,
even if it's five miles. But she's about an hour
from me. But yeah, a really interesting gal. And basically

(02:36):
her son had you know, I was talking about, you know,
how I was given a mission if you will, when
I was you know, decided to pick up my cross,
you know, and really trying to follow the reason I
came here and you know, stop serving myself. And a
friend of mine said, you know you're talking about you know,
starting these healing centers and you know, I'm getting into

(02:57):
this weird etheric stuff. She's like, you're gonna meet my mom.
And I'm like, well, what's your mom's story? And she
was like, well, every he said, well, you know, we
kind of thought mom was crazy for a minute because
she just kept saying, well, I'm Jesus told me to
buy a little piece of property outside the city where
people could just come and you know, heal and relax.
You know who just you know, kind of had too

(03:17):
much of the city. I felt like I could dig
that anybody that got a message from Jesus to go
do something like that. You know, yeah, I meet your mom.
I mean I had some really amazing experiences from the
get go on that property and I'm just you And
I told she did a real simple Christian lady. But
I told her it was like Judy, like between du
and God and Jesus, Like you did a really good job,

(03:39):
you know, like you pick a really nice spot, you
know what I mean, just a really high vibrational spot.
And of course, you know, you can start to get
a lot of people's stories around that area and this
area too, you know. Now, like in Birksville. Everybody's got
you know, they've got their uf though, and they seem

(04:00):
to have their big foot short. And then if you
really kind of yeah, and if you really kind of
you know, pry into them a little bit, you know,
they'll they'll give you even a little bit more than
that sometimes. So, yeah, there seems to be a lot
of stuff out here in this general area. And I
think that's why I was drawn to it. You know,
no mistake. When I came across the property, as soon

(04:21):
as I put my feet on it, I mean I
was I felt like I had like electricity flowing through me,
you know, yeah, and it was just like, oh, it
was like, oh, yeah, this is the place. And you know,
I consider it sacred land. And so that's also how
I how I try to treat it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I believe that there's just a lot of stuff going
on here. I think part of my my journey and
all this bigger picture was to come and if nothing
else for a little while, to hold this land out
here and you know, get back in touch with it
and just you know, have some of the experiences that
I've had, and as well as to allow other people
to you know, come out and and you know, when
they need to get away from the city. And I

(05:02):
don't know, somebody offered a place like that back in
about twenty seventeen where kind of my life started unfold
in ways I had never predicted, and I kind of,
you know, I just sort of wanted to return that
and so that kind of was the the journey in
finding that's about five years ago. You're on a side note. Yeah,

(05:24):
I'm I'm a minister. I'm not the type of minister
who wants to beat you up about your your sinful nature.
Does that makes sense, Matt, Yeah, yeah, I'm the minister
you call when something goes bumping the night, you know,
or when you really want to talk about you know,
maybe not necessarily your sinful nature, but you know what
you're doing here and what your purpose. So I mean,

(05:46):
I also consider myself a shaman. That really what is that? Well,
on the core level, I mean there's many different levels
to shamanism. You know, some of it you can only
be born into that on a basic core level, a
shaman and somebody knows how to work with to help
those heal, and so that's just kind of a core level.
But yeah, I mean I dig more of the ghostbusting

(06:07):
side of shaman and the healing side. I've seen higher
spiritual healings, but I also I dig bring in the
two sides together. So I also work with frequency medicines
out here. So a lot of people have heard about
rife frequencies, at least at this point. Have you heard
of anything about mister Royal Rife.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
A little bit, not much. I'm certainly not knowledgeable on
that stuff, but it's something that has crossed my desk before, you.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Know, thirty thousand foot over, do you, Matt. He was
just showing us back in like the late the forties
and fifties, is that basically a disease has a frequency
and vibration. He had created a machine that essentially creates
a frequency of vibration that can counter that. So he
was finding that he could take stage four cancer folks. Now,

(07:03):
stage four you know the hospital, so go home and
you know, get your stuff together and expect to die
in a couple of weeks. But he was actually taking them,
reversing them, and they were living, you know, then their
normal lives. We're just something as simple as frequencies. So
I really that past I don't know five years really
really dug and dove into that. But you know, is

(07:27):
that who I am? No? I mean, I was actually
a behavioral therapist. I was a child and adult behavioral
therapist for many years. I've got, you know, stories in
that field, gift like stuff, you know, you can't make
the stuff up type things, you know, stuff that was
never in my text. But then I got to see
and witness. But you know, even even that part of

(07:50):
my life, I find it interesting that it's almost if
I step back and I and I observed my life,
like do you want to call it God Creator? The
higher Stelf? I mean, yeah, that there has been that
aspect in my entire life, almost sort of like guiding
the whole ship. And I almost like to just sit back,
almost like in the third person, throw it away and

(08:11):
just sort of observe it all. My story on I
don't you know anywhere you want to go? Man? I
think maybe, I mean, I know your audience was Bigfoot.
I mean I do too, And but I'll be honest, Matt,
I've had a lot of people. I think I did
my first interview maybe three years ago, and of course

(08:31):
then you've kind of seen I kind of started my
own little thing a little short, and I'll do an
interview here and there. But I find like people really
like to heavily, heavily edit sometimes my story. I hope
that's not the case here tonight. But my version of
Bigfoot is not some big gary beast. It's actually quite

(08:53):
the opposite that I just you know, I share it
because he can't make fit stuff up, and it's really
had a huge impact of my life. But I don't
think Matt that, at least the experience that I had,
I don't think it lined up, if you will, in

(09:14):
the creator's bigger plan without me being on kind of
my own spiritual path. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah? Absolutely, And so.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I have sense. Now. I did not know this when
I ran into that first family of Bigfoot. I did
not know that there was a whole Buddhist thing. I've
had Buddhists on my show and I talk a few
different boosts about this, and I've got a great Buddhist friend,
But I didn't know that there. Do you know there's
a whole tale of Buddha and in enlightening a group

(09:46):
of sasquatch or YETI there's this whole tale now now
I guess I look at it now and I'm kind
of like, you know, you're sure it wasn't a YETI
that maybe enlightened the Buddha. I don't think. Kind of
my experience is that, like, it's not a scary creature
of a highly enlightened spiritual being. But I didn't know

(10:06):
that on my journey. And one of the other things
to Buddhist day is to see the yetti, if you will,
you almost have to reach a certain level of consciousness,
right he almost kind of you know, got to pull
yourself out of that ego mindset. And and then they
say that you know the yetti will appear, Well, I'd
probably agree, because I've told this story a few times.

(10:29):
I would say, you know, I did not find Bigfoot.
Bigfoot found me. I didn't go looking for Bigfoot. Yes,
I knew I was going to a place that multiple
people report being running into having interactions with, but that
wasn't my plan. But on a particular trip out to

(10:50):
Child Lake, Washington, when when three days in twenty seventeen,
that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Why were you going out there? Was it to try
and have an interaction?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
No? Actually, I had had an accident like twenty sixteen,
a pretty nasty skiing accident. Now, usually when you break
a hip and put you back together until you start
walking the next day. But where I broke my effects
that it yeah, you'll be in bed six to eight months.
But during that downtime, I don't know, I had a
lot of time to just sit and think and focus
and like kind of like you know what life about

(11:24):
type then you know almost and I don't know, for
whatever reason, YouTube was spitting out this guy in his
place out in trout Lake, Washington. It's called ec ETI
or set he like contact or extraterrestrial intelligence. I didn't
even really go out there for the UFOs that they
loved to sit out there and watch at night. That's
not I went out there because basically it was described

(11:48):
to me that places like this are bore Texas and
that when you go and take your intent, whether good
or bad, the intent is magnified. And so I thought, well,
my intent is I want to go out and have
that connection I had with Christ like I had when
I was a child. And all I can tell you
is that nobody taught me how to meditate as a child.

(12:10):
That you know, there was multiple time that I would
see Christ and what you could say, like a calm
state laying in bed and you would have to as
a conversations. Was introduced to a Buddha be a Christ.
When I was child, Buddha had a conversation with me
one day and but at any rate, I digress. So

(12:34):
I kind of wanted to get that connection back. I
don't know, I felt like it had you know, just
the au fairic connection ability to communicate just wasn't as strong.
And so that's what I had set out really to do.
It's just okay, I'm gonna go out three days to
this little conference, you know, UFO conference, but I'm going
to really bring the intent of bringing that connection back.
And I'll tell you what, brother, Like I got that

(12:56):
and then some I mean, you want to see a
grown man try within twelve hours of being on a property. Yeah, Like,
I don't know, it was just really interesting that. Yeah,
I definitely got that connection back. And it was reminded
even to the whole thing that if you will fight,
never stepped away before it stepped away from the tables.
That makes sense. Yeah, and again and again love to

(13:19):
give to you corny on that stuff because I know
a lot of times the audience would get turned off
as soon as you mentioned anything like that. But again
that's why I went out ful. Well I got that
and then some. But it was the first night. So
it's just like from the get go, there's a few
different things you can stand. You can tenant, they had
a few earths. Now they made put it some other

(13:40):
things now. But I was just staying in a little
simple earth and you know, there's no power. That's little fireplace,
and so I mean it was it got chili out there.
It was raining pretty much the whole time. Well I
had started a fireplace or the I started the little
fire box the first time I was been there, you know,
a little stove. You know, it got going, and you

(14:02):
know I had I had left the earth and you know,
got out I think for a little bit of the
sky watch activities or whatever that first night was or
I was you know, really just kind of winding down
from you know, the plane ride out there and then
get a rental car and then you know, driving to
the place there in trout Lake. But it was, uh,
it was really interesting because it was again it was

(14:23):
like from the get go, I get back the earth
and I'm like, holy cow, you're at one hundred and
ten or one hundred and twenty degree than here. So
you know, I'm opening the windows then laying down and
I'm like, okay, you know, you know, kind of get
a little shut eye and get ready for the next
day's activities. But I know, it was just a few minutes,
and once I kind of started to just doze, I

(14:44):
would share this happening and it it was almost impossible
to tell where it was coming from. It sort of
sounded like it was coming from the top of the
third It was should just be a cap hap hap
hap hap hap cap And it went on for probably
an hour. So every time I just about fall to sleep,
this tapping would return. I'd wake up to the tapping.

(15:08):
I'd sit there and think, oh, that's interesting, and then
the tapping go away. I'd go back to sleep, that
tapping would come back. I'd wake back up and matther
was something about the tapping it was, I don't know,
it felt like it was more than tapping, do you know. Yeah,
it felt like there was a It felt like there
was a consciousness on the end of that. So, you know,

(15:28):
on one thought of my mind, I wanted to sit
there and the you know, I think the ego mind
who wants to go explain everything, and you know, the
ego singer going, well, the irt that expanded right because
it would heat it up right, but then it didn't
make sun. You know, It's like, yeah, but why does
it decide to only cap or heat up or expand

(15:48):
when I'm starting to go back to sleep, you know, Okay,
so I don't again, that maybe went on for an hour.
I think I woke up. It might have been maybe
two or three. Little bit I'm not old, but let's
just say like I don't have the best bladder, and
so it's like, you know, I got woke up and
I had to pee, and you know, I'm thinking I'm

(16:10):
not running across this this you know, however far it
was quite a waste to the bathroom really, and so
I'm just like, you know what, it's two in the morning.
I just I'm when I opened my door, it was
like it's like this little apple orchard in front of
the earth. I don't know, it might be fifteen trees there,
and uh, I'm just gonna relieve myself out the door

(16:31):
and I'll be like, you know, I opened the door
and then start to do my business and look up,
and I mean again, the ego mine kicks in and
wants to stay like, well, what's that a big old
cow standing on its hind legs? You know, that's not
what it was. And the best I can describe it

(16:54):
is is that it vanishes. Now it doesn't just like
go poof, right and it's dawn, but it's from the
top of the head. You just starts to almost just
like de materialized, sort of like I'll beat me up, gotty.
And I'm not saying I think you know that they're
getting Bean the bull of the ship. That's not what

(17:15):
I'm saying, but like I saw the thing de materialized,
and I don't know, like you know, I don't even
know if I was paying attention what I was doing
at that point. But it finally went from you could
see it all the way from the head and it's
a little bit right. There's like a washroom sort of
beat behind the orchard where they've got a washer and dryer,

(17:37):
and there's almost there's a light on there like twenty
four to seven, so there was a little bit of
back light illumination. I wish the illumination would have been
from the front, but right you could.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
See the silhouette, so it was backlit, so you could
tell at first that it was definitely solid.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it was solid. I mean,
I'm sure in that instant if I would go up
there and poke it, I you know, it had been furry,
it would have had density to it. Now, I don't
think I after seeing that, and I've seen it more
than once now, so yeah, I know, I know it
was solid, but I at one point I know it

(18:14):
just it just dematerialized. It was not there. And again
it happened from the from the head to the like
to the toes. No, I did not see it all
the way down to the toes, but let's yeah, I
thought maybe down to the waist where it finally was
just you know, it was gone.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Now I get up the next and I go back
in the in in my arg I'm just you know,
my head is spinning. My paradigm of of I guess
what reality is has just been like, yeah, I've got
to I've gotta I've kind of like take my brain out,
readjust it and put it back in because I've got
some new information here. I didn't have it Now, I

(18:53):
was interested as a child in Bigfoot, in the paranormal,
and all of that stopped. Uh u f O. The
only thing I really liked. You know. I'm fifty three
or fifty two right now, something like that. But when
I was a child, you know, it's you know, if
you're if you're around my age, Well, we didn't have
the internet, right, I had a library, right, and so

(19:16):
you go in and look what little Devin Lindell checked out.
It was all the big Foot stuff. It was all
the UFO and in anything paranormal. I probably had an
overdue and passed to you know. But you know at
Ciltain Pime, I guess you know, you I'm an adult
ride and you follow the you know, the ways of
the fall in the world, I think, and you just
get pulled away from I think, what our passions are.

(19:38):
But so it's not as though I never had any interest,
but you know, it just never really you know, you
can tell you feed one, right, Yeah, it's like a
totally different thing.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Were you aware of what you were looking at whenever
you saw it? Did it register that like, oh my gosh,
that's a Sasquatch?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, I But I mean, like I there was still again,
like I think part of the ego brain that was like, no,
we have to make sense of this. There was that
little ego I think in the background it was like, no,
it was a you know, the the pastor there was
a there was some angus beef I think that were
being raged in like the next field over. I mean

(20:20):
it was apple acres over. But you know, the egos like,
oh maybe when the cows got out and walking on
its hind leg, you know, it's like, come on. The
mine had the ego I think, if you will, had
to explain it away. But I went back in the
the arth and was just you know, I don't think
I went to sleep for a little while because it
was my mind was just racing. But there was still

(20:42):
something in the back of my mind that was trying
to say, oh no, no, no, it had to be
this or this. You could have seen what your thoughts
you saw, you know what I mean. Yeah, And so
I get up the next morning and I go to
breakfast and we have kind of a group breakfast thing,
and I just start sharing my hell. And as soon
as I start talking about it, a couple of other

(21:03):
people who have been there a few times start chiming in. Yep,
I've seen it too. There's like did you see the family?
Did you see the kid? Did you see the mom?
And I'm like, oh, I guess I don't know big gold,
you know airy now what i'd know to be fat,
squawked or bigfoot? But I said, I guess I don't know.
You know nothing. Ton't have any you know, measurement or

(21:25):
skill that say well, this is the you know, the juvile,
this is the adult, this is the female. Crazy day right,
A lot of different things happened, but on night two
it's it's almost like a it's like a cobbon copy
of night one almost, and that I've wormed out the earth.
I went off and did some activities, came back, you know,

(21:47):
put my head on the pillow, and finally go to
sleep and wind down. And there we go again for
about an hour. Every time I would start to get
to sleep, I'd start to hear that tap again, and
I'd wake up. I kind of look around, all right,
where's the tapping come from? Ed go away again, I
go back to sleep, tapping comes back, I wake up,

(22:09):
and it goes all I don't know, like an hour
and so it's about the same time, and unfortunately I've
got to do the same business, you know, and I'm
not going to run over to the bathroom because it's
still pouring rain. So at this time it was a
little bit different man this time. And I've been phak

(22:34):
my whole life. I believe that everyone is. It's just
kind of what level you are, and it things like,
it's really not what a lot of people make it
out to be. But any rate, so I go and
put my hand on the door, and I thought, no, no, no, no, no.
Before I go out here, I'm gonna send a thought out.

(22:55):
And my thought was and getting ready to open this door,
and I gotta go Picky really bad. So yeah, there's
no choice, but I don't want to startle you. And
would you please kind of show yourself again? Does it
make sense? Yeah, that's about what I said, right in
my thoughts as I was sort of projecting them out.

(23:17):
And so I opened the door. Well there it is Matt,
not one, not two, but three of them. Wow. Now
this at this point it's a little bit obvious. I
would say. The first night, what I saw was the
young one, and so from I guess my left to
my right right as I'm looking out, it would be

(23:40):
the young one mom's and I say mom, because it
the figure was different, right, It was like it would
ben like a more feminine figure, not quite as big
as the one to the furthest on my right, which
was considerably bigger than the smaller one. And again looking
back at it, I'm like, yeah, I saw that the

(24:02):
smaller one. So what I follow the first night? They're
almost like in a Unison step and they're not moving
like fast. It's almost like step one, step two, you know,
just like at a at a real slow gate. But
they they begin then to do that same thing. They
begin to vanish from top to bottom and almost like

(24:23):
they did it in Unison. Do here. So when we're
again just from the head to the shoulders, to the
chest and to the waifs that they're gone, it's just
more confirmation to me that not only they're highly like
they can communicate with us. But so I go back in.
I finished my business, I shut the door, and I

(24:43):
do stand there for a minute because I'm kind of like, yo,
what'd your mind just coming? Like? However, you exited with
coming back in the same way, you know, you know
what you mean yeah, but yeah, that that didn't happen.
But I did stand there for a minute. I also
stood there for a minute just in awe at this
point in time seeing three of them, Like, the ego's
pretty crushed. It can't explain this away, but I go

(25:06):
back in, I put my head on the pillow and
and there was still that little bit of the ego.
Well I knew it wasn't and in my mind I heard,
if you will, the ego say a deer or bigfoot. Now,
Assuna's bigfoot came through my mind the top of the year.

(25:27):
It goes. Now a lot of people like, we're like
definitely like scared shitless. No, No, I wasn't. I wasn't
scared whatsoever. Like the message that I got. And I
believe that the little one banging on the top was Yo,
it's me. I'm telling you by responding to your thought

(25:48):
and and all I've got. All I got from that
that knocking and that consciousness, if you will, that I
talked about I felt on it that first night was
just nothing but pure unconditional love. And I don't know,
some people have said, well, Devin, that was a state
of consciousness you were in and so they just reflected

(26:09):
that back to you. And I think there might be
some truth to that now that when some people go
into the woods and they get like a nasty bigfoot,
I think like, well, just like the offended masters, like
Christ and like Buddha, and like anyone who reaches a
higher level of consciousness, what they tend to do is
when people come across these people or I think even beings,

(26:30):
did they simply had their own consciousness reflected back to them.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It seems to be the case in a lot of situations,
for sure. There seems to be a direct correlation between
the experience someone has with them in accordance with what
intent that person has at the time and where they're
at and what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I think so, I think so.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
But you know that that also, if you know, if
we if we go ahead and and look back at
even some of the and I want to go on
to the that next day too, because some people all
lose at.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
This part of the story. But I'm I'm gonna tell
you because I do believe this tie is all went together.
But you know, you've got the Native Americans again, I'm
not real great, I'm pulling their tails I'm not a native,
but I've listened to plenty of them, and that I
guess at some point in time. One of their tales
is that the bigfoot and human kind of co mingled,

(27:37):
or they were much more aware of each other. And
then at some point in time, the big Foot of
the Sasquatch went on more of a spiritual evolution where
we went more on, if you will, the fall in
world evolution and things of man and rather not things
of nature. I don't know, and maybe that is true.
Maybe that's why, you know, you've got to almost be

(27:58):
at a high enough conscious level to to interact with them.
The second day when I come back, and you know,
I'm sitting back again after that second second night and
seeing the free I shit down to breakfast again, and
I'm just you know, I'm just like like, I don't know,
I've got to seem like a little kid. I mean,
I'm like so excited and everything else. I'm just telling

(28:20):
this tale right of seeing the family that was discussed
and telling them, you know, the banging on the earth
and all of that, and you know, my mind is
still just it's like on a Bigfoot overload, you know,
And there's a lot of other things I got to
see out there too, but at least right now we're
on Bigfoot. And and so I go back. The apple

(28:45):
orchard actually had several apples on the tree, and I'm
like huge apple eaters, so I have I think a
couple of eggs. And then I went out and just
started picking apples and the apple orchard and just eating
them right off the tree. And I thought, oh, this
is interesting. As I'm sitting there and right about the
time I'm just pondering on the events on the night before,

(29:08):
a buck and a mother and a baby deer walk
into the orchard.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Huh yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
The baby walked all the way up to me, and
I thought, well, you're an awful brave little deer. I
mean close enough I could have like grabbed its nose.
Now I didn't. They're right about that time. I mean,
your audience can make of what they want of this
that I share it. And this is this is this
is just what I believe at that moment when I

(29:39):
was like, holy cow, you're a brave little deer and
I just want to grab your little fuzzy nose, you know,
there was something inside Mutes said, no, that's Bigfoot. And
somehow you're seeing or it's projecting a deer now light.
When that happened, the buck orded scratching at the ground. Now,

(30:02):
if you ever see like deers, dude, generally what they're
telling the other deers, Hey, it's time to go, let's move.
And that's exactly what happened. It was almost like the
little baby with a little hesitant, but dad starts scratching
at the ground, and Dad started moving, Mom was following,
and then finally the baby followed. Now again, a lot
of people sayah, right, Devin, I believe you called Bigfoot

(30:25):
the first night and the suckond night, but I'm not
buying this. You know you saw Bigfoot as a deer. Well,
I've shared this story with a few different Lakota and
an elder while with out there the next year, and
he just told me, he said, no, Dad, and I
believe that's what's it's all. And I said, what do
you mean? Like, you know, other people are having trouble
believing that maybe that next morning I saw the same family,

(30:47):
but for whatever reason, that's not what they showed up as.
Or you know, either they most into something else or
I believe it's more like a mind trick that they
do on you. But he said, Belle, lord and e
we we will talk about the sad squatch and that
you know, you could be a group of hunters, he said,

(31:07):
walking up the mountain and you know, hunting fat squatch.
And a hunter can walk by you with his gun
in hand, and then you know, his hunting gear on,
and you can say, hey, where's the fat squatch and
he might say, won't click up the road here, and
you just walk by bigfoot. I don't know. Apparently they
believe that. I don't know if they're morphing or if

(31:29):
they're just sort of projecting something into the mind of
the person that's seeing them, but that the next morning,
that's you know, my hand to God, if you know,
if somebody wants to press me on it, now, there
was a bigfoot. I don't know exactly what they're doing. Again,
I think they're probably somehow twisting my own mind to
make me think that that's what I was actually looking at.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I mean, that's not the first time I've heard that.
Have you The deer there's a guy that tells a
story about seeing a bigfoot turn into a deer, and
the idea of them being able to kind of project
things into people's minds to conceal their identities or whatever.

(32:14):
Is something that I've heard a few times over the years.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Let me let me go to them. The following year
and I was again following what I believe is it was.
I was almost like on an etheric boot camp. For
about five years. I was on the road and so
literally if I got thought of the what I would
call it, you know, the holy spirits that he go here.
I had a job basically where I could kind of
throw everything in the back of the trunk and work remotely.

(32:40):
So I was like, oh, you know, I'm game, you know,
And so I just heard it kind of plain as day.
It was about two years prior to me going to
was Cameron, Texas, and I did some sharecropping out there,
just basically told, you know, take the business out there.
He puts feet in the you know, and get back
in touch well being understanding that I've I've seen through

(33:05):
the veil. I had my first encounter with a black
astral being and got to cast it out if you will,
when I was about four. But the probably I think
part of me going on these journeys was almost to
get back to I think maybe original reason I came here,
maybe some of the gifts that I, you know, I
had been given. So I was out on this property

(33:27):
and yeah, I went doing sharecropping and just having some
really interesting UFO encounters and other encounters. But I was
noticing that one night and actually a couple of days
were just wellarticularly hairy, and all I can tell you
is that like the uh, the negative energies or whatever

(33:47):
you want to say, we're just getting a little bit
too much for me. And it was just kind of
feeling a little bit of the ick and the ooze
and almost like I have something sort of latched onto
my back and I couldn't shake it. I couldn't even
really see it. There was a lot of weird you know,
there's there's some Poulter guys on that property. That was

(34:08):
my first time running into a Poulter guy. So it's
hard to tell what I think had latched on to me,
But I mean I just couldn't take it off, and
my normal things that I would do, prayer and different techniques,
I just was like, no, I can't seem to get
rid of this nazy thing. I'll just share it with you.
Because we're on the subject of them morphing. So I
believe that more than one time I've run into this

(34:31):
same family and it's not been in the same location.
So and I'll just share the story with you. Yeah,
so on this it was a three hundred acre organic ranch.
Now we also had he had cattle, you know, he
had the big steer cattle and had a few others.
He had horses, but they were pretty much on one

(34:54):
side of the property. Yeah, there was a fence over
near my cabin that that they could if they wanted
to wander over there, they could, But I mean it
was rocky, gravelly stuff over on the side of the
fence and that that I did never really fall cows
or sears go over there, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
But I'm walking back to the irth and I'm also
sitting there thinking, man, I still got this negative thing
on hanging on my back, and you know, it's kind
of like, what am I going to do here to
get rid of this? You know, I'm I've been leneering
now for a couple of days, and I walk into
the cabin. I think I'm really too much focused on
you know, just I don't know a lot of the

(35:36):
a lot of the negative stuff that has gone on
the property. But I had looked over it was about
I don't know, forty feet away was where the fence
line was, you know that would divide the field. And
well there is where we go again is a big
old steer but look to probably be a female and
a smaller you know, a smaller I guess, you know

(35:59):
whatever spear probably cow right. I didn't, but it was
at first it didn't make much sense to me, like
I didn't. They didn't register right away, but they were moving,
but it was like, what the heck happened to your moor?
Do you know what I mean? Like it just sounded
so strange, like you know what I mean, Like it
just didn't sound right like I understood, Like I understood

(36:22):
when I was looking at it didn't register right away,
like what are you guys doing over here? Like I
never see any of this steer over here? That's loggy
ground over there. You know, how are you even walking
over there without just you know, falling over? And and
then this weird mood that they were putting out and
it was almost like you're doing it in unison. And
then so I I see that I turned I opened

(36:45):
the door to my cabin and I shut it. Well,
whatever was on my back was gone, just like it vanished,
It was gone. I was like, holy cow, what what
the heck just happened there? Do you know what I mean?
And it But then I go back to wait a minute,
what's going on in those three cows? This yeer in

(37:06):
the and the would be would appear to be a
teamale and a smaller one and open the door back
up to where they were and that just within a
second and they were not there. They were going And
I believe that that same family and what did they do?
I don't know. We're removing some negative energy off me

(37:28):
like a good shuman? What have I guess? Like I
should have been able to if I was, you know,
really on my game.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
There are some things that you've said that have been
said in other episodes with people that I've talked to,
just some reoccurring things that seem little. But there's certain
things that are standing out to me that are different
from typical big foot encounters that people have. If you know,

(37:57):
they're just out camping with the family in the wood
and see when while they're out hiking or something, the
movements in unison, the tapping sequences and everything on the
roof and a few other things. I've actually had a
practicing Buddhist on the show before talk about some very

(38:20):
similar things that you've mentioned, and they.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And they, as far as I know what I'd explained to,
they just call them David and so I kind of
like basically any bean that can kind of go from
their dimension in and out of our dimension, and you know,
they just put it in one big category good and
bad or just all Davis. But they do, they do
say that, I believe, you know, they'll say there's some

(38:45):
natty Davis where they're basically angelic. Well, my interaction with
Bigfoot has been nothing that I get you called angelic.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, do you think that there's the two different varieties though,
whenever it comes to these beings, you.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Know, I've I've got to I've got to understand that.
I I don't think everyone out there is Sometimes I
think people are telling another person's story. Sometimes I don't
think they know what they're seeing. And there's a lot
of things out in the woods. You know. Yeah, I
probably are going to go back to if it if

(39:22):
they are indeed running into a fast squad or a
bigfoot and they have a negative encounter. I want to
say more, it's probably just that the creature is reflecting
back wherever you're at. And you know, but you know,
you know, people don't like it when I say, you know,
what do you do on hunting for bigfoot nets or

(39:44):
bigfoot you know, droppings? If I'm gonna if or you know,
you wonder if I've heard some people wonder, you know, well,
how do they tolerate the cool or the warm or
you know whatever. I'm like, I'm an inter dimensional being.
What do I got to worry about any of that stuff?
You know, I'll just, you know, if if it's too
cold up here in Kentucky, and I guess I go

(40:05):
down to the Florida swamp, you know, I just just
teleoport myself and that how it works. I guess.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I don't know. That's that's the key. I don't think
anybody knows for sure what's going on with these things.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, I've I've had a run in with a dog
man on my property that was not benevolent, I don't believe.
And you know, if anything, that thing was just trying
to scare the the ebgb's out of me. But you
know it, I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot
since I was a kid, so I think maybe it
takes a little bit more to scare me than the

(40:43):
average person.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Would you mind talking about that?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
You know, I just I'll just tell you, and I'm
going to tell you in the entirety, or try to
my best I can. It's very short, and there's but
I mean, it's nonetheless, I know what happened, and I'll
just share with you how it happened. And yet people
take what they want of it. So I had been out,

(41:07):
I don't know, it was probably right at twenty twenty,
late twenty twenty, and it was allish because I remember
the others and I just been on the property a
few months. And there is a spot on my property.
Actually I call it baptismal pond. Now that's another story,
but I don't think I accidentally named it baptismal pond.

(41:28):
I haven't any baptisms in there, but there does seem
to be something really special about this area of the property.
And I come to find out that before I own
the property, some other people in this town were actually
going to that same spot on the property. And we're
saying basically they're kind of having I recon call it

(41:49):
miraculous feelings, but they were able to other woman said
she was able to go down and just let Steph go.
So anyway, so I'm on the part of the property
where i've myself, I've been down there, and let's just say, like,
you just feel this higher energy a lot of times,
and you know it's just a I don't know if

(42:11):
it's shit, a very very pleasant vibe if you will,
right down there. And well, one night I'm down there
and I was walking from my house down to this
pond at about I don't know, it's about one hundred yards.
It's not very far, and so i'd not maybe like
a fourth away through my beer and i'd shut that

(42:32):
down on a picnic table down there. And I want
to cover this part birth because I think somehow they
pie together. And I've heard one other person report seeing
a dog man and also report something similar. Now at
the time, I know I've got a neighbor, and now
she's another like forty acre lot over. So but if
thee sort of offen my property towards her a property,

(42:57):
it was like almost like a towilkling of light, and
I don't know. The best I can describe is it
seems I was almost like a metallic twinkle, if that
makes sense. Now, there wasn't like one pinpoint where they
were coming from, but they were coming from a general area,
and it was just a really brief sort of thing.
But my mind was kind of like, well, what the

(43:19):
heck was that? You know, is my neighbor having like
a little bounty house, you know, play party and I'm
seeing like the lights off retract off of that or something.
But now looking back, now, no, there was, you know,
my e I just wasn't really familiar with the property
to where my neighbors were there. There was nothing in
that general area, and like somebody was back in my

(43:41):
woods mess around with some weird life I've never seen.
There's nothing in that area. But I just kind of like, oh,
that's interesting, little little twinkles of lights there, you know.
But immediately after I saw that twinkle, just seconds later,
I hear sounds like a dog in the briar's next

(44:02):
to the pond. Now I have since cut back the
briers because they had been so neglected that they were
just really heavy. But in my mind too, I'm like,
what's the dog doing over here in the briars, you know, yeah,
like but you I would have said it was on
the ground that I could hear it. I mean like
snipping in court, sort of grunting it. And I'm thinking, well,

(44:27):
where are my dogs? My dogs are back up at
the house. Yeah, I've got a couple of big dog
and a couple of smaller dogs. They're back up in
the house. I know it's not them my neighbors around here.
You know, you get into rule parks Kentucky a lot
of times people let their dogs wander. But you know,
even the neighbors dogs, they don't come down to my pond. Now,
they'll walk the street in between, you know, wherever they're

(44:48):
going to the next house. I don't see him down there.
But I thought, well, I got you know, I got
a neighbor's dog in my briars, right. I don't know
what the dog would be doing in the briar, wouldn't
seem to be a very comfortable place to be. But
I thought, well, I'm gonna sew it out, you know,
I'm gonna kind of now make a little noise and

(45:10):
stop at the ground. And that's what I did, thinking
it was gonna bowled out of the bushes. Well, it
didn't build out of the bushes. The best I can
describe is it stood up. Now. When I say I
saw it, I followed in my third eye, I did

(45:30):
hear it. And but so people who medicate and meditate regularly,
particularly if you're a weird person like me, who's you know,
kind of in the shamanic way. Sometimes I'll meet somebody
and I'll go to shake their hand. I'll even shut
my eye for a moment to kind of see what
I see around the person. That makes sense, Yeah, Or
if I go to somewhere and I'm feeling some sort

(45:52):
of you know, different energy, I'm shutting my eyes to
see what I'm seeing with that other eye. And a
lot of times, believe it or not, your third I
can give you more detail than what you know. That
our our physical eyes that only see what not even
a third of percent of the light spectrum. Right, So
what I do is, you know, I I feel this thing.

(46:14):
Basically I can say, is I feel it like walk
through me? And my people might talk with them. Why
do you think it walked through You say you couldn't
see it, well, because all of a sudden I had
to grab a hold of the table. Like what I
think happened when it walked through me was that it
may be messed with my chakra or my own energetic

(46:35):
system to where like I was sort of discombobulated that
I mean, I felt like I had about a twelve
pack of beer for about five seconds. I had to
grab a hold of the picnic table almost from falling over.
But and that moment, what I did was I shut
my eyes, like what is this? Because it was it

(46:57):
was it was very, very very dark out there. I
believe than new moons. There wasn't any you know, there
wasn't any moonlight, nothing to really be casting any sort
of light. He sided a little flickle. I thought this
prior to this, But I have, like again this moment
where I believe my power centers, my chakra have been
spun or they're just not in alightenment anymore. To what

(47:18):
my physical being can't even really stand there. And I
shut my eyes and I see it. Well, it's very
skinny body, almost sort of like hunched over, you know,
humanoid form, but it's got a big long snout and
it's a you know, it's a dog head. But people

(47:40):
can say, You're like, Okay, Devin, now you think you're
seeing this thing in your third eye. But what I
hear at the same time that I see this thing
in my third eye standing behind me. As all this said,
and I hear the faith gets me free. Times I
lose your man.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
No, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Well, ask me any questions, I'll be better thing I
can tell you.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
But I want to ask you if you chose that
property for a reason?

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Specific reason was really I'm kind of looking for that
piece of sacred land that sort of got that that
nice buzz and field where the veil gets very thin,
if you will, Because I do believe that in certain
parts of the world, you know, people will talk about
the grid system right the lay lines of the earth.
I do believe that there is something to the different

(48:35):
places that I visited. The place that I've talked to
you a little bit about being hired to be a
shaman and a ghostbuster, and some sacred land in Colorado.
Yeah and yeah, So I did deliberately pick this spot
because I feel the veil was spin here and I
think the work that I do is a little bit easier,

(48:55):
and I like you know, I think once you really
dive into paranormal, when you realize that there are uso,
there are cryptids. I mean, personally myself, I've just kind
of It's not like it's my constant pursuit. But if
it's a passion, you know, why wouldn't I want to
put myself where I can have more experience of that.

(49:16):
If I was in to good at surfing, I'd try
to live on the coast. Right. I'm an awful surfer,
you know, so I've been experiencer I see, it's the
veil since I was a child. So I you know,
why not you know, my in my semi in my
semi retired years, why not pick this property.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
It's just the sacred ground thing has come up, you
know obviously several times while you were talking, and it's
got me thinking about the whole concept about how you know,
back before technology, sacred ground, sacred areas were just a thing.
It wasn't folklore, you know, it wasn't anything paranormal. It

(49:58):
was just a thing. If you look at the Pyramids
and Stonehinge and all these huge mysteries of the world,
you know, those locations were picked for a reason, and
it wasn't just a single culture. It was all cultures
believed that there were areas that were sacred. There were
areas that were spiritual, there were areas that were good energy,

(50:19):
positive energy, other areas that were dark energy, and it
was just an accepted thing. And those areas were still
on the same planet. They didn't go away. We just
pulled ourselves away from them. However we did it through
technology or just you know, however you want to say

(50:39):
that it happened.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
But I think, well, I think for a lot of
a lot of of course, a lot of history has
been twisted in and raised. I think a lot of
the true knowledge and wisden that we used to have
been twisted in a race. I think that if you will,
if if my experience had been and I've had other
people come to this protropherty and you know, those say
the same thing, and I tell them, I said, listen,

(51:02):
this is sacred land. You will have whatever you bring
to this property intensified times a thousand or I should
make sure you know you're coming from the heart. But
it's the same thing here as I've seen in other
places like this. It's like I've seen prayer. Answer man
Matt I've seen I've seen prayer answer in less than

(51:24):
twenty four hours when I when I've lived in different
places like this, and it's just like, look, you know,
there's something happening again. I'm I'm not the expert on it,
but i just know that certain areas, you know, the
I call it the Veil Getting Center. I consider it
to be sacred land. You know, they're the place that
I worked out in Colorado. The tale was, is that

(51:46):
the top springs that you would have even warning tribes
that would come to this location to heal, but they
would put down all their beef, if you will, before
they came because they understood that area. They did not war,
and it was you know, it was a spiritual place.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Well, I'm a firm believer that things of a paranormal
or unexplainable nature can occur pretty much anywhere. With that
being said, there are definitely some areas, and I've talked
about it before that there just seems to be areas
where it's like people experience all sorts of strange things.
There's just always weird things going on there. And I

(52:25):
think that's kind of like what we're talking about now,
is some of those places and then if you combine
some of those places with some of the right people,
amazing and extraordinary things can happen.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, yeah, they really can.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
How did this whole thing get started for you? I
know you said that you had an incident at a
very early age. For I think you said, how did
all this journey sort of begin for you and sort
of manifest?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Well, you know, I'd like to say like I was
completely turned on to it all as a child, but
I wasn't. I knew that there was a lot of
things going on, but I didn't have a whole lot
of I didn't have the Internet. Of course, that's can
be a good thing too. I didn't have the Internet
to seed me right because my background behavioral psychology. I

(53:21):
understand that you know that that that science itself a
lot of times is just used against us in media
and other places. But at any rate, I didn't have,
like the the early like the the weird aunt or
the weird uncle to sit there and put that stuff
in my head of the paranormal and the supernatural. And

(53:43):
I think a lot of times today a lot again,
a lot of times I think with people experience for
other people's stories, you know, them fault is their own.
But I don't know my first experience, at least with
the supernatural or a lot of people have different names.
What I like to just I call it a black astral.
Somebody had given me sort of a a list of

(54:06):
how they categorize some of these beings, and you know,
I roughly agreed with the list, so I thought, yeah,
I like that name black astral. Well, what is a
black astral? Well, in general, a black astrol's basically just
a it's a powat shadow. But look clarified, that does
not come off the wall. So if it comes off
a wall and starts moving around the room, that's something else.

(54:27):
It's not a black astrol. It starts coming off the
wall moving around the room. And that goes to, like
to me, at another level of if you will to
the darker side of the etheric got the next next league.
So black astral as I've always described this sort of
bush league, and I don't tell people to go messing
with them, but yeah, you would start to understand them.

(54:48):
You can even do things like return the Black askl
the thunder if somebody sent you something of that nature.
But I'll tell you that this story so around about
four and I was in a neighbor towels and it
was about noon and I was being babysat, and you know,
I can remember there was a bunk bed in that room,

(55:09):
and you know there was there was plenty of light
in the room. You know, it's new, and even though
the curtains were drawn, but there's no reason to be
a solid black shadow on the wall. But as I'm
laying there kind of tossing and turning, you know, I'm
sure trying to avoid nap time on the floorboard, it

(55:29):
starts to fall from the floor. So basically it's kind
of like you can start to see the legs form,
and again it's just a shadow on the wall, but
I mean it's it's solid black shadow, and it's got
legs and gets to the point where you can see
it's got you know, hips, and it goes up. It's
got a chest and it's headled all the way to

(55:51):
the top of the ceiling. So I don't know, maybe
eight foot pall at least projected on the wall, and
it gets to the point where where I can see
the head and then it's got two horns. Well, I
don't know, somewhere in between me seeing it start on
the floor, and then about halfway formed, I think, as
a little kid, I had already figured like, this thing's

(56:13):
not here to sing Neil lullaby, you know, like there
was even an I had enough, I think to sermon
as a child to be like, oh, like this isn't good. Yeah.
And so it gets to to the point where I
can see the arms, I can see the chests, I
can see the legs, I can see the head. I
can see it it's got two horns on the head.

(56:33):
Then even that it kind of starts to do this
like little shinny like kind of moving back and forth
a little bit, you know. And at the time I
know one prayer and so and I think it's interesting that,
you know. I don't run out of the room, I
don't pee myself, I don't throw my head underneath the covers.

(56:54):
But what I did was decide to repeat the prayer. Now,
I mean, I'm sure you heard it. It's I've looked
it up. It's probably one of the number one said
you children's prayer. Now I lay me down to sleep,
but pray the Lord might fill to keeping it. I
die before you probably bet it before you probably couldn't.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Have said it under the same similar circumstances.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Huh, well, guess what this thing, Matt that took thirty
seconds to fall on? Right roughly, I would say, and
then kind of start doing this little shimmy. Dam All
of I know is I bet it the prayer. But
the first time I got to the word Lord, oh
that penguin, damn, it's just like where the hell it

(57:35):
came from. That's where it went back to an incidant.
And so even as a child, though, I still pondered
like bigger things. I was always laying in bed at
night wondering where I was in the universe, Why was here?
What my bigger purpose was? Who is Jesus? Who is
this Holy Spirit? Who's the pirate? Right? Done? The Holy Spirit?

(57:57):
Not of that as a four year old really made
all that much then me and I had think Jesus
a couple of times in my third eye, so that's
really all I needed to know. I thought that what
I thought was really interesting was this thing responded to
the word Lord. I got that, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Now, I didn't know why it did, but I would say,
like all the frequency or vibration, right everything. We'd say,
that's all it is, our thoughts, that's all they are. Well,
I would say that frequency, that vibration of that word,
that being did not want.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Anything to do with. You experienced that at the age
of four. What motivated you as an adult to go
down this path? Because I mean, it's not an easy
thing to do.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
No, it's it's not and you'll lose friends over it.
But you know, somebody already told me that, you know
if they hated me, though, I hate you too, And
it's right there in your Bible. Once you pick up
that cross, Somebody's asked me before as then thereser, how
do I know if I picked up my cross and
all right, I have all your friends and family rejected

(59:05):
you yet now they probably haven't done it, But yeah,
I don't, I don't know it. There was just that
early drawl that was really beyond kind of normal, I
think for a child to sit there and and have
these these thoughts and these communications, and you know, there's

(59:29):
a lot of different stories that I haven't you know,
conversations that I've had with christ and I can still
remember as a child. But tell you, when I was
a little kid, I was having a reoccurring dream basically
being brutally murdered, over tortured and murdered over the course
of about a week. And I would come out of

(59:49):
this dream and again there's nobody that tell me, Hey, dad,
there's things called paft live. You know, I liven't taunt
non denominational Christian church, right. But I go to my
mom and I'd say, listen, mom, I've seen one of
my past lives and I was murdered here and I
have a good idea who I was, what I was
doing while I was killed. And my mom would just
look like I'm sure, just like look, who's kid are you?

(01:00:13):
You know? And and should say Devin with kirts And
we're not Buddhists, like we do not believe in path lives.
And my mom could tell whatever she wanted, like I'd
walk away and be like all right, woman and say
what you want. But you know, I know what I've seen.
But I was just like a knowing, like I don't
know how I know that I know there was I
was get in college and city I I was going

(01:00:37):
somewhere with a girlfriend in my car and with having
some experiences. They were sitting there with her realizing that, oh,
these different faces. I mean, it was kind of like
all coming to me. Not that I wasn't seeing a
lot of this us as a child, and I knew
I was seeing people's path lives as a child, but
I was sitting there one day in the car, and

(01:00:59):
it was like she was showing me like two different
let's just say, I know, with her sitting there, but
the face that I would see on top of hers
was like a faith that I recognized and I knew.
I didn't know how I knew it, and I and
I loved that person too, but I knew that like
it was her, but it wasn't her. Now, I don't
know if that makes sense. I call it a cosmic basis,
and that's a whole nother it's a whole other story

(01:01:21):
and topic, and I won't bore you with it now.
But she was showing me like a couple different I
would say path life that, And she wasn't doing it intentionally,
but I was seeing these two different path lives that
we had already been together with and had been together in.
And around that same time that she was doing this,

(01:01:43):
she was having an internal conversation with herself. I didn't
realize she was having an internal conversation with her THELP
I heard it plain as day, and I was answering
this conversation she was having in her mind with me
that I was answering it out loud. And finally, at
a certain point, as I'm driving down the road, he

(01:02:06):
just like looks at me like I'm the craziest son
of bit she's ever met, and she said, what the
hell are you doing? I'm like, what do you mean,
I'm answering your question? And it said, yeah, we're going
to your mom. Putbay, dude, this this is this. You
didn't hear me? He said, no, I heard you that.
I didn't say anything. I thought it, and it like
freaked her out, do you know what I mean? And

(01:02:27):
it freaked her out to the point I don't you know,
who knows what you caught. But at that point in time,
I'm like, wait a minute. The church doesn't appreciate this,
my family doesn't appreciate it, and now my girlfriend thinks
I'm crazy when I experience it, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
So I just sort of, like the best I can
describe it, I sort of packed it away. I think
I just sort of shut it all down, and I
don't think you can completely turn it off. But I
mean I did the best that I could. You say,
you know what, it does not serve me. Yeah, it
really doesn't. And it's fun to play it and you know,

(01:03:09):
but nobody likes it and you just need to get
me in trouble. So it wasn't until about twenty sixteen. Really,
I mean, I can't say that I didn't have you know,
I was fourteen. I thought you up. Well, I've seen
different ghosts, so I can't say like it the gift
was completely turned off. But it wasn't until an accident

(01:03:29):
in twenty sixteen that I don't know, you know, it's
just it was. It was well, maybe Matt also be
in pent around that same time at twenty sixteen. Yeah,
I said, yeah, I know I've rendered to you before God,
but and I've given you, you know, a lot of
different stuff. I quit the job I was doing. I

(01:03:50):
started this job, you know, to try not just to
serve myself but help other people. I was actually importing
medicinal plants from all the world and telling him in
one place. But you know, I want to give it
all to you, right and wherever you say go, I'll go.
And that's really almost like like like the Creator was

(01:04:14):
kind of like, Okay, you're back on board for the plan, right,
the reason you really come here. So like I like
I say, like I was almost like a five year
like almost like boot camp. Like almost every place I
went there had to be a lesson and experience that

(01:04:34):
I had to you know, experience to get sort of
back on what I believe is. I can't say that
I'm critifically back in the Creator's plan for myself, if
that makes sense, but I'm a hell of a lot
closer than I was ten years ago, twenty years ago,
and so there was something to me leaning into you're

(01:04:55):
sort of if you will, to the will of God,
right whatever whatever you want to call that. Where as
good as I really did, that like the world and
the universe really just began to open up, and in
some ways some ways, Matt, it was almost like the

(01:05:15):
the different I mean, I can call them adventures because
there's so many different towns that I was called to
and so many different opportunities that I just jumped on
because I knew that there would be a lesson, there
would be an experience there for me. But them was
like in every different town and different every different experience
and every different place that I lived, like the Creator
was just like blowing my mind like almost like these

(01:05:38):
little nuggets, do you know what I mean? Yeah, like
little like a little like a little piece of the
candy along my way that like, oh you know you're
you're coming along the way at well here. You know,
you think your thoughts you understood that creation before, let
me blow your mind again. Oh you might you thought
your mind is blown before, let me do it again.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Do you think your experience with the Bigfoot fan was
part of that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah? Yeah, because when you have that experience, it really
just like I said it, you have to consider a
completely new paradigm. I just don't know how you can't.
And and you know that I think allowed to. You know,

(01:06:24):
there's that there's that old staying that the Native Americans,
you know, who knows. I don't know how true it is,
but I've heard it many times, and I do think
there's some truth to it. To a when, if you will,
Christopher Columbus right when you first traveled over here on
the Nina, the Mina Santa Maria or whatever they were,
right that that there really only the elders could see

(01:06:48):
the ships at first, and you might say, well, what
do you mean. You know, it's a big old ocean.
You'd see this boxed sail in this wooden ship, you know,
but maybe there's some truth to that, and that that
full of something to even register in your mind. You
have to know it's possible, right, you have to know
it's there. So I think even like the Bigfoot could

(01:07:11):
have just simply been again being able to just rip
open that paradigm to where I was able to just say, oh, well,
if that's possible and that's real, what else is you know,
and just be open to allowing, if you will, the
universe to chill me. You know, it's it's splendor, it's

(01:07:32):
glory and all that's you know, a little quirkiness, but
it has.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It's just interesting to me that in the situations where
you had the interactions with the Bigfoot, I mean, originally
the events taking place at that property, where one thing,
your reason for going there was something else, and then

(01:07:55):
Bigfoot shows up something entirely different than both of those things.
And then again whenever you went down to Texas, your
reason for going down there, the situation that was occurring
with this you know, dark negative thing attached to you
or whatever, and then boom the Bigfoot shows up there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah. I've never seen a past life as a bigfoot,
you know, my own, but I've had a couple of
people said, Devin, you probably have a past life is
a Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
You never know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Well, you know, I think I think it's possible. But yeah,
there's other things that happened. I mean, I saw my
first UFO sitting on the ground too the third night
I was out there. Oh wow, but that's another store. Yeah,
if you ever get a chance, Matt, and again I
am not pushing eat Eddie, and I'll be honest with you.

(01:08:48):
And if you can edit this out, this pot out
if you went, I'm more than happy if you do.
I actually did volunteer there, So I went out there
in the three days and just you know, have my
mind just is literally like the top of my skull
is removed. You had the opportunity, it just presented itself

(01:09:09):
to volunteer there that next year until actually I went
from share cropping out in Cameron, Texas. You got the
opportunity and just be lined it out there and was
out there for about six months. But I'll tell you what, Matt,
you don't have to go out there volunteer there. I
probably got more in that first three days. Yeah, I

(01:09:31):
got more in that first three days than I got
the six months of this being there as a volunteer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Have you ever experienced any the CE five stuff with UFOs?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Yeah? Yeah, up, good and bad there, good and bad there.
I hate to say that, but it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Here's my concern with all of this stuff that we're
talking about, the kind of things that you're talking about,
you know, the spiritual element of these phenomenon. There are
people who aren't in the right place knowledge wise, experience wise,
spiritually whatever, that hear these sorts of things, and then

(01:10:12):
they go out somewhere in the woods or someplace where
they think there's been a lot of sightings or where
Bigfoot's supposed to be, or where they want to have
a UFO encounter or whatever, and they try to open
the door to have an experience because everybody just wants
to see one. Everybody wants to have this experience so bad.
And then whenever something shows up, they assume, oh, well,

(01:10:34):
it looks like what I wanted it to be. That's
what it is. And I think that can be very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Well, you know, I think intent it's so much of
what we do. And so if as a shaman, if
I'm going someplace and I want to have an experience,
I'm pretty specific when I then I do my own meditation,

(01:11:03):
and you know, say, hey, you know, guys, I haven't
gone out back and sat back and watched because I
meant out here, I don't understand how people get bored.
All you got to do is look up at night
and see all the friggin ships we've got out here.
And on my hand to God, the last night I
was out I counted thirty worth it ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I mean there was multiple and streaking across the sky
at the same time. But then I realized that, Okay,
so I'm seeing so much stuff out here. I'm like, okay,
we've got a lot of ships in the US military.
All these ships out here, I'm saying, cannot be our
US military. If we go back and we look throughout time, right,

(01:11:44):
even our own Bible. Well, we've got mentioned of the cherry.
It's the fire. I tall a ship one night, Sure
it looked like it was on fire, and it was
fitting on the ground. It wasn't on fire at any
rate in tenth so important, I think. And I'll also
say that man, and I'm and I'm not gonna go
any names. But you brought up the five, so I

(01:12:05):
will say this. I do not do it D five
protocol and I don't find it necessary. I mean, you
won't go out and have contact. Just open your heart,
you know, go outside, look up in the sky, ask
for your star family, preferably and only of benevolent ones

(01:12:27):
because I have had contact with not so nice ones before,
and say amen, So it is, so it is done,
but you know the specific with your intent.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Tell people where they can find your channel lot oh, well,
on Rumble it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
And I prefer Rumble. It seems like they play a
little bit fair game. But you can find me on
the you on YouTube, but it's face Light and Love,
and I believe in Rumble, it's just Christs Light and Love.
And you might have put Light and Love Healing and
Training Center. You can always find me on Facebook two
but I don't go on there as much and visit that,

(01:13:07):
but it's Christ's Light and Love Healing and Training Center
in Berksville, Kentucky on Facebook and if I we do,
but web page up and run again. It's christlight onlove
dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
All right, Well, Devin, thanks for joining me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Hey Matt, I appreciate it. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
If you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot, dog Man
or something else you can explain, send me an email
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