Ep:180 Navajo Bigfoot Stories

Jerry, a Navajo tribal member from the Four Corners region of New Mexico, shares some of his bigfoot encounters and stories from growing up on the reservation. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
At first, I'm thinking, well, cool, it's a bear. Might
thinks some great you know, bears aren't that color. And
it was shaggy, and I remember we were standing there
looking at it, and my brain was going through all
of the things and like, okay, it's not a bear,
it's not this. And then I realized that it was
at the spring and what it was doing was it

(00:20):
was scooping its hands and cupping the water and bringing
it up to its mouth. And that's what I was seeing.
That was the motion that it was going through. We
stood there, like twenty of us stood there for about
like maybe twenty thirty seconds watching this thing. It stops
and at this point, you know, because it's crouds downs.
So that's why we think it's a bear. This thing
stands up. It's interesting because we didn't see a neck.

(00:42):
It's strange when you watch them move because because they
don't really have a neck, they have to move their
whole torso and that's what it did. It turned and
looked over up at us, and then turned around and
walked off into the thickets. The way this all kind

(01:30):
of started for all of us was so on the weekend,
my aunts, all of our parents. So it's all my
first cousins and there now little culture. We call them
our cousin brothers and cousins sisters, but there are our
first cousins on our mother's side, and we were all
there's like fifteen of us or so many of us
up there with my grandma and our grandfather. And on

(01:52):
the weekends, our parents would come up and they'd bring
up They typically would bring up supplies and they would
stay up there and have a cookout with us before
they went back down the mountain. And this one weekend
they were all up and I remember we had just
got finished eating dinner and we had walked into this.

(02:16):
So right next to the to the cabin was a
shade house. So it's just an outdoor living space that
we would use it in the evenings and just kind
of have pally, bigger dinner. I was sitting in there
with my cousins and I remember I was reading. I
was reading, slipping through a book. Actually I think it
might have been on the Wizard of Uz, but there

(02:37):
was a book that I was flipping through and our
cousin comes racing in in hysterics and talking in that
like he was distantly related to us from one of
my aunties who has a different grandfather than I, do
you know? Yeah, So he comes racing in. Why is

(03:03):
a ghost? Why does the sheet just babbling off a navajo?
And I remember my grandma, grandfather and my aunties. They
all go running to the door. They get over the
limbs along they all stop and dead in their tracks
right outside the door, and they're whispering at each other

(03:25):
and they're kind of pointing at things and they just
they just stop. But they're all talking in naba, and
we see what they're seeing, and by this time we realize, okay, well,
let's get out and see what's going on. I put
the book down, walking out from behind, and I'm walking
behind them and I'm looking down at our well. And

(03:49):
at first I'm thinking, well, cool, it's a bear, my thinks,
and great, you know this bears? Bears aren't that color?
It's kind of that. You know, you've heard people talk
about a battleship gray cutt of color. It was that color,
and it was shaggy. This one in particularly was shaggy.

(04:14):
And I remember we were standing there looking at it,
and my brain was going through all of the things
and like, okay, It's not a bear. It's not this,
And then I'm like, how is it? I started realizing
that because I couldn't figure out what it was doing
was it was going through these motions. And then I
realized that it was at the spring, and what it

(04:36):
was doing was it was scooping its hands and cupping
the water and bringing it up to its mouth. And
that's what I was seeing. That was the motion that
it was going through. We stood there, like twenty of
us stood there for about like maybe twenty thirty seconds
watching this thing. Could it had been longer? It seemed

(04:58):
like forever. And my cousin yells down at it, Hey,
what are you doing? It stops and at this point,
you know, because it's it's crouds down, so that's going
to be think it's a bear. The thing stands up,
and it's interesting because we didn't see a neck and

(05:22):
it's and and these creatures, it's it's strange when you
watch them move because because they don't really have a neck,
they have to move the whole torso and that's what
it did. It turned and looked over up at us,
and then turned around and walked off into the thickets.

(05:43):
The cousin that had yelled down at it and myself
we ran back into the cabin and hid underneath the bedroom.
We're there for the whole night and half the next day.
They're so terrified, and it was really interesting because nobody
my grandparents had never talked about that. My grandma always

(06:05):
would say to us about that area that like, so
this creature walked back into what we called the thickets,
and my grandma would always say, you guys, don't go
into the thickets. There's wolves there, she would say, wolves.
She scared us with the wolves, the timber wolves. They're
going to come get you. But once we saw that
thing walk down that direction, I'm like, well, that's what

(06:28):
she was telling us, to stay away from that thing
down there is going to get us.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Did you ever see any wolves?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, no wolves at all. I was like, nothing at all.
I just remember they that that was kind of like
the Bookieyman for us. Does that makes sense, Yeah, for sure,
like like kind of what they used to keep us
in line because they wouldn't never talk about what we
were seeing. That whole summer, these things kept coming around.

(06:55):
There was more than one of them. There were several
of them that had come around different colors. One my
mom said that she saw one that was blonde color.
I've seen a red one and there then there was
this battleship kind a grayish colored one, and then there
was a darker one. The darker one I think was

(07:16):
actually like an adolescence because it would actually interact with us,
and it was it would come in and kind of
create trouble, if you will, Yeah, because it was it
was It reminded me a lot of like a spider monkey,
you know, how they're long and like there's not much
to them, Yeah, but as tall as a man that

(07:38):
like spider monkey ish.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
And was this primarily focused around that one summer?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, that whole summer of this. Yeah. Well,
I've had many other encounters other than that, but this
particular summer there were week I mean there were weeks
of it. They just kept coming in.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
So something was going on.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, I honestly feel like the reason what it is
is they were curious and there was water there. We
had a really good source of water, and you know,
they're attracted to kids. And there were twelve of us,
you know, twelve fifteen of us that were running around yeah,
because I remember at times we would all be playing

(08:28):
out in that meadow and one of us we'd all
just stop. It was the weirdest thing. I remember. All
thos were just we'd all stop, like freeze playing and
we'd all turned in the same direction start looking up
into the into the woods because like on one side
of the meadow, where was this cliff face that was

(08:49):
probably about to get twenty five feet up and they
were trying to roast the trees in front of it
and on top of it, so it kind of obscured
what we could really see. But I remember we were
all stop staring up, looking up into the trees, trying
to figure out where it was at. And it's it's
shocking how many of us have that ability to be

(09:11):
able to identify the direction of where we're we're being
looked at, you know. And so what we would do
is we would hold our arms up and just kind
of let it float until we and stop where we
felt the eyes were coming from. And my cousins and
I would do this, and you'd see about four or

(09:33):
five of us doing this, and we'd all be flatings
in the same direction. Wow, Like I said, like my
parents never really said anything about it. My mom never
said anything about it. It was really that same area
where we were, where we were feeling. It was at
that LEDs kind of eventually leads into our camp. So

(10:00):
our camp had a we had a corral, okay, so
if you're looking down on it kind of like a
like a clock. At two o'clock would be the uh yeah,
At two o'clock would be the cabin. Five o'clock is
where the corral sat. At nine o'clock was an outdoor

(10:21):
camp site, like an outdoor camp campfire. And at eight
o'clock was we had an outdoor pantry. And then about
ten eleven between ten up ten eleven o'clock is where
the outhouse was in between kind of walking in between
the two areas, so at this little camping area at

(10:44):
the outdoor fire pit. So if we weren't inside, well,
actually we never were really inside the cabin during the
day because it was just so hot. So most of
our living was out either out by this fire pit
or over in that little shadehouse area that was next
to the cabin. When my grandmother would be cooking, she

(11:06):
would be up in the cabin or up in the
shadehouse's where they are next to it, and that's where
everybody was usually up. My cousins would be out there
helping her out, and other cousins would be either chopping
wood or doing things. May I have another this female
cousin that's a couple of years older than me. Her
and I were sitting in front of this fire pit

(11:27):
alone and we hear this. I remember the fire was going.
We had this blanket draped over the top of us,
and it was just about us, like the sun has
already gone down. You can still see into the forest
pretty good, but there's no sunlight coming in anywhere. And

(11:51):
her and I were talking about something when we started
hearing this weird vocalization. It was a strange shattering that's
the way. It kind of sounded like a record player
being played backwards. It's kind of in that weird I'm

(12:11):
sure I'm going to get crazy like It kind of
reminded me a lot too of the Nawada languages of
like like hope and mute sounds. It sounded a lot
like that to me. Okay, so that that sound was

(12:31):
coming from our two o'clock about twenty five yards away.
This creature peeps out from behind it at us, and
her and I both trees it then. To tell you
the truth, I don't I don't know how it moved.
I think that's what scared us the most is because
when it moved, it's like moves in a way that

(12:55):
I can't recall how it did it. It was so fast.
So it went from like two to a ten o'clock
in front of us, in front of another Plonderosa, made
that weird language noise, and then peeked out at us
again and looked at us for a second, and it

(13:19):
did it again. It ran from it ran from that
ten o'clock back over to the two o'clock. But as
it was doing it was running closer to us, So
from where it originally started, it now was probably a
good ten to fifteen yards closer. But it kept making
it kept talking to us as it was doing it,
and it would peak out every time I'd run to
another tree, it would peak out from behind it at us.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
But you never saw it going from between the trees.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
No, No, it like that's what I mean, like it
move was moving so fast that I that we couldn't
really perceive where it was even that it was even moving,
And it was strange. Yeah, at some point it got
close enough to us that one of us moved. I

(14:09):
remember us both screaming and throwing the blanket down and
running back up to the cabin, my sister recalls. She says, Oh,
that's what you guys were screaming about. She remembers the day.
She remembers us running back because she was up happy
helping my grandma and remembers my cousin and I coming

(14:31):
up to the running up to the house at the
cabin screaming. Yeah. We didn't stay around to see what
it was and it and I don't remember going back
out that night to really be around, you know. Yeah.
We also have like this, uh so right next to
that outdoor fire pit, my family had a I think

(14:56):
it was an army issue where it was very old
like h tandace white canvas tent. I think the peakid
is probably about like six and a half feet or so,
but it's for all the young kids, well, all the
children we would sleep outside at night there. My grandma
usually slept up in the cabin. So the way we

(15:16):
had it situated is that the two oldest kids, so
being my older brother and my eldest cousin would both
be sleeping at the doorway, and then on the perimeter
we're all the older, older kids, so that put me
in the back left corner, and then my youngest brothers

(15:37):
and sisters and cousins were in the middle, like the
caybor in the center of all of us. And that's
just kind of how we you know that that was
our sleeping arrangement. And my cousin who lived the cousin
who thought it was a bear. I remember one night

(15:58):
waking up because he's sitting there jabbing into me. I
think it's just because the way things like this happen
in our family that we don't say anything when somebody's
doing that, Like we don't go, ah, what are you doing?
You know, typically when anybody's poking at us like that,
we'll wake up and just kind of look and see
what's going on, because stuff like this happens to us

(16:23):
all the time. So my cousin's poking at me, and
I look over at them, and I can see him
motioning underneath his blankets up up like towards the door,
like frantically pull pointing at toward the door, and I
look up and I'm like, oh, uh, there's this shadow.

(16:47):
It's standing on the other side of the tents looking
down at it, you know, like the moon is up
and the moon's casting a shadow at it. And come
to think of that, at one point, we couldn't tell.
There was one point I was never to think about it.

(17:08):
I think at one point we saw one one time
and we couldn't tell what it was doing, and it
looked like it was eating something, you know, like you
put an apple up to your face and just be
chewing on it. Yeah. Yeah, But that night I remember
seeing this thing standing there and it was big and

(17:28):
like a little kid. You know, if they can't see me,
if I can't see it, if they can't see me,
I can't see it. Yeah, I I you know, I
pulled the blankets back up over my head because I
didn't know what else. Just do you know, like my
grandmother had what was see like that went on and

(17:48):
then I remember another time my cousin and our aunt
had gone out to her seat, and when they came back,
she was he's a federal officer now and won't talk
about it, but back when he would talk about it,
when when we were younger, I did ask him, well,

(18:12):
what is it the guy saw? And I said, I
remember you telling me about it, but can you remind
me of what you saw? They had sat down, they
were a few miles away from camp, and they had
sat down to take a break, and I think they
were you know, she had a renas of coffee and
they were sitting there drinking the coffee. And this woman

(18:36):
was tough his nails, and she was somebody that we
always felt very comfortable being around. And nobody's going to
get us if Antiva was with us, you know kind
of thing. Right, She was terrified because they he said,
we looked up and going up the side of this hill.
He says it was this creature and he says it

(18:57):
was just he said it was on alf Wars. But
but the way it was running and the way he
like with motion is kind of like putting your hands
up and like scooping down almost, you know, up and
then down. He said, it was moving so fast that

(19:17):
you really couldn't see its legs. But it was running
up this hill. And May was terrified, and it was
shocking to us to hear that she got that scared,
you know. So somewhere along those lines, we had a

(19:38):
couple of weeks in we had a sheep go missing.
I ran so h with that, you know, because I
get I don't know who to account of the merry manning,
because I think May did, but one of them was missing.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
From the corral or whenever they were like out grazing.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, well, like I don't know where she counted them.
I don't know if it was in the morning or
at night when they came back in or but I
remember them saying that a ram was missing. And my
uncle was there with this truck. He piled all this
younger kids into the back of his truck and we

(20:21):
went from our camp to like up the road and
over to another camp and asked them if they had
seen their sheep, if they had had an extra ram
that'd come in with their sheep. And so we were
doing this, going through different camp sites, and my oldest
cousins and my oldest brother were sent into the forest

(20:43):
to kind of go look, you know. I was the
younger ones, and it want us out. I think I
was like seven. I remember my brother and them were
in she was eleven. They were all like eleven ten there.
So they were all walking through the forest and we
kind of them out of the main out to the

(21:04):
main road, and we're driving towards the lake and my
brother cousins I'm screeching out of the woods and are
racing at us. And I have never seen anybody ever
do this before. My brother leapt into the back of
the truck. Didn't touch like the weird wheep, the wheel well,

(21:28):
or even the side. He just jumped into the back
of the truck. Yeah, I clearly remember doing that. And
once we calmed them down, we were like, okay, okay,
what happened. They they were kind of like kind of
stanned out. They were in a line that like several

(21:50):
yards away from each other, walking in towards the direction
of the river or the lake. When behind one of
the trees, outsteps one of these creatures and it starts
walking towards them. So they turn around and they start
walking away from it. And as they start working faster,

(22:13):
it starts like, you know, it's chasing them, but they
don't know that, and they start screaming and running and
they're tripping over themselves. But that's why they came racing
out of the woods, because this thing was because one
of them is following them.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And do you remember if it was the same color
as the one at the well or was it a
different one.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I don't remember what color they said. I think that
one was actually a different one from the well now
that I remember it, because I remember the one down
at the well was that battleship gray color. But there
was also another one there that was kind of a
I want to say, a sandy brown color, maybe a

(22:59):
little darker than that, not quite blonde, And I believe
it was that one. So that night, my uh, they
built this huge bonfire out by the corral. I remember
they took a bunch of huge logs and they had
built this thing up to be about six feet tall,
and lit that thing and told all of us, you

(23:21):
guys stay inside. I know you guys want to come
out and play around and everything, but no matter what
you hear, no matter what's going on, you just stay
in here. And we thought it was really weird too,
because we're like, well, are these wolves that dad that
you have to took this fire? And so I remember

(23:45):
that night like just and they stood. They stayed up
all night next to the corral with this this bonfire raging.
When we were on our way to go home, my
mom had come to pick us up and we were
all in the We were okay. So she had a
pickup truck where with the with the cab slighting windows,

(24:08):
and we had a shell in the back and we
were really we were all in the shell. We were
heading out and next thing, my mom's yelling at us, Hey, everybody,
you could get in here, get in here, get get
in here, get down Like okay, so we jump leap
into the cab and we jumped down into like underneath
the end, underneath the consonants, like the dashboard. And I

(24:37):
remember talking to my brother about it, like just you know,
this is decades later, like you're ten years ago, Like, hey,
do you remember her doing that? And he's like yeah.
I said, well why did she do that? And she's like,
I don't know. We were all we were. We were
at my mom's place. I said, let's go ask her

(24:58):
if they said, Mom, why did you tell us to
duck down and get into the the cabs that day?
Do you remember that? She says, oh, yeah, there was
a it's because there was those two big foots over
there bast the side of the road. I'm like what
she says, Yeah, there was one over by the bushes,

(25:20):
and then there was one down by the lake. And
my brother just recently had said that my mom had
told him that one of them had tried to reach
out and and she was worried that he was like
going to grab one of us, and that's why she
had us jump into the cab and hide underneath the dashboard.
And we're like, Mom, why why would you think that

(25:42):
would freak us out? She says, I didn't want to
scare you guys, And people started laughing. We're like, Mom,
that whole summer they were over. I'm like, we're seeing
them all summer, and she she Yeah, I had an
aunty that was up there visiting. They live in Alaska now,

(26:03):
and she was I had asked her where. I asked
her if she had heard anything about that, because our
family hasn't been shy about this, especially in my generation.
And I asked my auntie if she had ever experienced anything,
and she had said that when she was up there.

(26:24):
She had gone up there one time, one weekend with
like relatives or during the week it's something to babysit us.
My grandma had to come back down off the mountain
or something. I don't remember what it was, but I'll
be up there with my aunt and she said, she says,
I don't remember where you guys were at. I remember
I was walking down the down tourt the main road,

(26:47):
and one of these things steps out from behind one
of the trees, and I was there all by myself
with you kids, and I didn't know what to do.
You know, it just she just went back to back,
she says, she went back to the camp, or went
back to the camp and just didn't didn't stray away
from the campsite.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know, you mentioned something about the juvenile or the
one that you believe was a juvenile kind of coming
in and messing around. What sort of things was it doing, Well,
that's what I.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Mean, Like the one that was making the vocalizations and
like coming in and like mess like that's what I mean.
It was like messing with us, making it self steam
and coming into the camp. The older ones, the adult ones,
kind of stay kept their distance, or if they did
come to the camp, you wouldn't really hear them. They

(27:45):
tried to be very quiet. Yeah. The younger ones, like
you hear a lot of times, are very violent and
they can be very unpredictable. I guess.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Do you think the one that you and your cousins
saw awe that approached you guys when you were sitting
at the fire, was the same one that was outside
the tent.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I don't know. I really don't know, because like that one,
like because that one that we saw that was coming
towards us was darker than the babtiship ray one. That
one was like a black color, like a dark dark color,
darker color. That's why I said, like a spider monkey
kind of look, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
And the one that was standing by the tent, I
never saw, like we never saw it, were just standing there.
But if I think about it, it seemed bigger than
the But then again, you know, I was so small,
I don't know what the sizes were it was standing there,
you know. Yeah, Yeah, that was that was pretty wild.
There were a couple of things that I had mentioned,

(28:43):
like I don't I remember my older brother, you know,
that night when I woke up and my cousin was
pointing out that at it. I don't believe that that
was the first time it had been coming by. I
think it was the first time that one of us
had actually seen it coming by. And the Amason being
is because my brother had at one point, I don't

(29:08):
know how he ended up with a kitten. He had
this little gray tabby cat must have been maybe two
to four months old. I mean it wasn't it wasn't
a very old kitten. And like I said, my brother
and my older cousin slept at the front of the
tent and so this little kitten would sleep with him.

(29:29):
One I remember one morning waking up and everybody was
just traumatized and terrorized by what we saw. That little
kitten was rock solid, stiff, but it like had frozen

(29:49):
in place as it was like hissing at something. It's
paul was up and its back was up and it
like it was like spatting at something. But it died
the throgs in that spot. Yeah, that was rather traumatizing, horrifying. Yeah,
it was. And that's what I mean, Like, that's what

(30:10):
I mean. I think that's why the because these things
will come around and while we're asleep, and his cat
unfortunately got the got the dick being scared out of it,
you know. Yeah. And then I don't remember who had
this dog because it was its name was Snowball, but
Snowball was a Chiuala mix of some sort, and it

(30:37):
was just it was this little inklebiter that was just
really loud and will go after everything. And those things
put like that little dog just because it was just
because of what how they are. And one morning we
woke up with some pieces of it just kind of
I remember it's a fur and little pieces of skin

(31:01):
and little pieces of flesh catched to fur over kind
of near the I remember, right like, as soon as
you walk out of our cabin, there was a couple
of like sparse trees like rid and from ever before
you hit the meadow. It was in that little area
that we've found the remnants of snowball.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think it's safe to say that just in that
whole area there's something about the bigfoot where they just
don't like dogs out there.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
They don't. I remember, like back in the nineties when
I was first starting to really learn about Bickfoot in
this area, I was working. I was doing outdoor theater.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
There there was a outdoor production here called Anasazi and
some of the some of the people that were involved
with it were long time residents. Like this area was
settled by more than pioneers back in the eighteen hundreds,
and some of those families are still quite prominent here.

(32:14):
And one of the guys that I was in the
show with was part of one of these families that
had settled Kirtland, New Mexico, which is just right west
of here. So here's family's been here for all that time.
And I remember one night we were because we were
all very you know, if you grow up here, it's

(32:35):
not just Bigfoot, but everybody knows about skin walkers. Everybody's
had an encounter or themee or what have you. I
remember that I think his name is Sam, but I
remember mentioning what did he call it? He called it that, Yeah,

(32:56):
he called it the Kirtland Monster. He says, my family
was visited by the Kurtlin Monster last night, and it
attacked one of our dogs. Like what what are you
talking about? He says, Yeah, we have these big guard dogs,
like kind of the they're determined shepherd mixes that are
out in our yard and they have in their team

(33:18):
to the yard, but they're they're set there to protect
our property. And last night they were They kept barking
and barking and barking, and we went on to go
see what was going on and as we're standing there,
something comes racing out from the river bottoms across the
field and kicks our dog with such a veracity that

(33:43):
the whole thing, like the chain goes top as it
flies up in the air, that pulls it in and
it flies back down to the ground and it runs
and this thing runs off into the to the river
bottoms again, Like holy wrap, it's this kurbling monster thing, right,

(34:04):
And so my buddy and I at the time had
found a copy of like the Legend of Boggy Creek,
and we're like, oh, that must be what's down there,
you know. But this is way before you know, Internet
and people being so interconnected about these kind of things.

(34:24):
I remember you talking with somebody just recently in one
of the shows that you had had about these creatures
being here, and it's it's pretty evident to us loads
here that the government knows very well that they're here
and knows exactly where they're at, and sometimes they put

(34:46):
them here and sometimes they take them away.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Really.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, several years ago, I was down and I was
working in I'm in healthcare and I was working at
a hospital deep burning the reservation. That's about two and
a half hours from here because of me and being
Native American Manetto and I usually will start chatting with

(35:12):
the locals, will start getting started their stories, like what
have you heard? What has gone on? And one of
the girls that one of the goals that they met
actually have to be a distant relative, a relation like
a clan relation. And I know a lot of her family,
so her she was very she's very candid about what
she would tell me. And I said, so, what have

(35:38):
you heard? She says, you know, a couple of years ago,
over by Canyon Deshay, there were people that were always
complaining that they could hear it, that it was screaming,
that it was killing at people's animals, that it was
causing all of these problems. And then one night you
hear these helicopters that are coming in, and that's what

(35:59):
she had said. She said, she was saying that there
are certain like aircraft that are restricted to fly in
airspaces like that, and she's like, well, this one is
not supposed to be flying over here. And they heard
it coming in and several people saw dangling from the
bottom of this helicopter a large box and it flew

(36:23):
off and after they had seen this, and that's what
it was. This helicopter that's not supposed to be in
that area comes in. They see a large box being
flown off, and all of the people in the area
after that start hearing this thing wailing like it's morning,

(36:44):
like it lost a family member. They could hear it
like calling for this thing, like all over the canyon
bottoms and up on top. And said it happened for
like a couple of weeks before it stopped. Or she says,
you'd hear it, And she says, says, Jerry, this sings morning.

(37:04):
You could hear it in its voice. It's calling for
whatever family member this is that it's been that's been
taken away. The last sighting that I have had was
actually not too far from from here. It happened in
twenty nineteen in the middle of the summer. I was

(37:24):
kind of a night owl in that time of the
and I remember I was watching TV. It was like
two in the morning. Beddy of mine calls up and says, hey,
can you come and get me and drag me and
my son back over to my girlfriend's place. I can't
share any problems. I go pick him up. We drive
on to his girlfriend's place, and she lives in this

(37:45):
little area called the Harper Valley that's just right on
the art skirt outskirts of Farmington. And I know that
brains Talk, you talked to brain Nation. She is an
upper fruitland. So like the south side of the south
side of the river is now the whole land, the
north side of the river is not now at home,

(38:06):
So this happens to be like a subdivision that's just
kind of like I said, it's on the outskirts of town,
down by the river, and it's surrounded by fields on
both sides, the large groves of cotton trees. So his
girlfriend happens to lives like at the very back edge

(38:27):
of this subdivision and right in front of her house, Like,
let's just riding is a culdest act to turn around
and go back the other direction. So he and I
get there, pull them through the driveway, and we all
get out of the car, and I was like, I

(38:48):
don't know. He's like, I don't want to try to
wake her. So he's walking outside. We're walking right around
the side of the house because he's like, I don't
want a waker, I don't have a key. I'm like
you don't have a key, Like, so I'm gonna say
it's doors open in the side, so he's in front.
Then it's the sun and me. We come walking around

(39:09):
the corner of the house and I take a few
steps and I stop, and I'm like, there are two
sets of eyes staring at me. They had a truck
that was kind of parked into their driveways. From one
I'm standing, it's over at my one over in the

(39:31):
corner there at the front of this truck, and at
the back of the truck there is something like from
where I can see the eye shine. It's kneeling and
kind of crouched in front the one standing behind the truck,
and they're both looking at our direction. But what I'm

(39:53):
seeing are these two huge reflective white lights shining at me,
and like, holy, because it looks like they're giving off light,
you know, they're so reflective. So we take a few
more steps and I and my tension rose over there
and I hear this puppy noise. It it sounds like

(40:16):
a puppy in distress coming from over near the tree line.
And then I hear like a call back over by
where the treat but by by where the where the
where these two sets of eyes are. And I just
quickly asked him his son. I said, hey, he gets
good dog. He's like, oh no, no, we don't have a dog. Okay,

(40:40):
I'm just thinking it's just coyotes. I'm like, Jerry, it's
just cootes. You're You're fine. We get I get a
little further, and these eyes just want to keep stop
from staring at us. And in my periphery, I see
movement over at the tree line. So I know better

(41:04):
than to stay out when something like that happens. Right,
I'm like, okay, I'm out in the open. I know
what hanging's out out here. I don't need to be
in some place that I can't get away. So I'm like, hey, guys,
I'm not going back to the car. So I turn
around start walking back. But I'm watching with my head

(41:25):
looking straight ahead, but that's focusing on like I'm not
turning my head towards the where the tree is and
the property line because I know if I because I
know at night, you know, like the puriffery vision is
much better than you're straight on vision kind of thing.
So I'm watching for movement out of my terrificy, and

(41:46):
I can see something moving from the tree line toward
the river, or something moving from the river towards back
back to the other direction, because they're kind of like
crossing each other on the other side of the the
property funds. But I'm also feeling like there's something else
out there that I can't see, this really huge, massive

(42:10):
presence that's just watching all of it, taking it all
in and I don't know if it's like conducting it
or whatever, but I'm like hugging the side of the
wall as I'm walking back up to my car, and
luckily they have like the porch light on. The lights
up by the in front of the house are on,

(42:33):
so i hop in the car and I'm feeling safe
and I'm creaming over to look trying to look down
over where those two were looking at me. And I'm
standing around seeing if I can see anything in the
tree line, and I don't see anything, and I'm looking

(42:55):
like you know, out the passenger window, and then I
look behind me and I'm I'm like, holy shit, there
are three more sets of eyes staring at me. And
I'm like, okay, you know, there's a tree on the
other side of the river that has you know, the

(43:19):
amber mercury like sul side lights or whatever. Yeah, so,
and I'm seeing the light coming through the continent trees
that are there. So I'm only thinking myself, Okay, well, Jerry,
there's not three eyes sitting there, but like, okay, that
that's the rational seat of me saying. But I wear

(43:40):
glasses and I'm like glubbing my eyes looking at over
in the direction where these eye shines are coming from,
and I'm like, no, Jerry, you are not seeing just
the light coming through the trees. You were actually three
three sets of eye shines, but they were like reflecting.
They were like giving off the light like that those

(44:00):
amber color from the street lights, whereas the other ones
were giving off of white light. These things are giving
off kind of like a golden color. And I'm looking
at them, thinking like what the where are they doing?
And you know, somebody is like pretending they're in an

(44:22):
elevator and they're standing behind a sofa and they just
kind of go down.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah yeah, classic.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Bit yeah yeah right. These things were doing that, but
up and down like that, right yeah, And they're staring
at me, but all three of them are kind of
moving around bobbing in and out, and I'm like, what
are they doing? You know, and it's almost and I've

(44:51):
been told someone that it's kind of like they were
preventing me from seeing just how many of them were
because they know that their eyes give off the kind
of light they didn't want me to be able to
focus in on exactly where they were, so they were
bobbing around to keep me from being able to focus
in on exactly where they were at Around the head

(45:11):
time that this happens, he and his son get some
you know, like they come they like open the door
and they get climbing in the car and I'm like, oh, man,
you either got either skin walkers or you got big
foot hanging around out there. And he's like, what are
you talking about? And I'm like, there are three of

(45:32):
them standing behind the car just now. He's like, oh,
you're just seeing things. I'm like, no, no, no, no, seriously,
come let me show you. I turned the car on,
slip the thing around, and turned my brights on, and
where those three things that we're standing looked like three
large logs or three large piles of dirt or dark

(45:54):
compost or whatever. It's like they had all just crouched
down to blend into the darkness kind of thing, you know.
But there were three distinct individuals in my headlights. And
I'm sitting there looking at him, thinking, Okay, I really
really want them to move. I want to see I

(46:18):
want to see something, you know. And I'm thinking to
hunt my car. Do I have anything I can throw
at him? And my buddy's like, we gotta go that
the sheriff lives right here. I don't want to wake
him up, because the sheriff lived like right next to
where all these things, these things were at, And so

(46:43):
we leave. We got to drop the sun off. We
come back to this house and hours has passed and
and we pull them in the driveway and I'm scanning
everything everything before I get out of the car, before
I do anything, I'm looking around and there's nothing there. Right.

(47:07):
We get out, get up to the door, and he's like,
I really got to talk to my girl for a sec.
She's probably really pissed off. Can you stand out here
for a minute. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't
know about that, man. I'm like uh uh. And then

(47:28):
I'm just like I can you hear myself saying sure?
That's okay, all right. So he goes in and it
was really odd because it's like, I think she's like
there was something they had this door. It wasn't a
door knob. It was like the ones with the latch
that you have that you pushed an armb down as
you're done. Yeah, but it broke but it had broken off,

(47:50):
or or maybe the doorknob had broken off, but there
was just this thing. You had to come like really
jimmy it around to get the door open, but she
had opened it from the side and he walked in.
So I'm standing on the front porch. I'm backed up
into the corner where nothing is gonna be able to

(48:11):
come in front of me, or like nothing's gonna come
from behind me or from my side. If anything's gonna
come at me, it's going to be I'm gonna see
it head on. And I'm standing underneath the porch light.
So my crazy monkey brain decides, well, if they're out there,

(48:31):
why don't you make that whoop sound that they're always
making and finding big Foot? And see said, I'll see
if these things will respond back to you. So I'm
standing there feeling a little emboldened, and so I go
who No sooner did I finish that peace sound? This

(48:53):
war I had never oh that subsonic. My whole body,
my innerds, my gut, my whole body is vibrating. Something
that's about the size of the brown Bear mountain gorilla tiger,

(49:16):
something that's at least fourteen hundred pounds, is roaring at
me from the darkness, and I, I don't know how,
Like I remember. The reason why I said I remember
this is because I don't remember at the time how
I got the door opened. But I got the door

(49:36):
open and I jumped inside. I leaped in, and I'm like,
there's no f and Wa'm standing out there. I said,
something has roared at me. And both of them are
standing on the on the staircase and their eyes are huge,
just like. Neither one of them say anything. Neither one
of them had a response. He starts going around, starts

(49:59):
flipping my on all the lights in the house, and
she walks me through the house, walks me over to
the garage, opens it up, stirs slipping all the lights
on outside and he's standing there. Well, I like something
to my car and leave. I remember that night I

(50:20):
went over to the casino, like because I was like,
I can't be, I can't be by myself, but he
was that. I was like, something just roars it. Yeah. No,
if you've ever had that happen, it's something you never
forget and it it must have only been just on

(50:42):
the other side of like where that light ended, as
it was, it was very close. I remember the people
telling me later on that that whip sound is actually
territorial sound, and I was I was basically telling the
minute it was my place, and they were telling me, Oh, no,

(51:02):
this isn't yours, little one, this is mine.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
You mentioned skinwalkers. Have you had encounters with skinwalkers?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, quite a few. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean what what sorts of things would someone expect,
Like what clues you in the skinwalker's messing with you.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Here's one that has been fascinating to me that I
hadn't like heard of or I haven't paid attention to
until the last few years. Is when you're walking in
the forest or you're in a room and there's no
fan on or no door open, or there's no wind,

(51:49):
but you hear the wind and you feel the wind,
and then it just disappears like it's gone. But there's
like like people will talk about like seeing things on
the wall kind of moving like they're like the blowing
through and that's and there's a there's a medicine man
friend of mine that had talked about how when people

(52:10):
were doing bad things towards him, he owned a trading
post and one night he was in closing up the
kill and kind of getting things ready, and that happened,
and followed the pendles and blanks and the ball started
like moving around like they were being blown by the wind.
I've also there's also things that they I know that

(52:32):
they can place things in and around your house that
they can keep like cabs on you. Yeah, I was
thinking of it kind of like a talent. Was it
the in Lord of the Rings? The talents here, anything
that it's called. I've worked for some people that dabble
with that, and you just know that they do just

(52:52):
try things that you find out about them, and they
Here's one thing I never knew about too, is they
they wear a crystal on top of their head, like
underneath the skins and the pelts that they that they wear.
Yea one night like actually that night that Brenda's meaning

(53:19):
that she had here in twenty seventeen, there was a
galls from a phoenix that had asked me if I
looked to kind of go, let's go up. She didn't
hear anything or see anything, right, So I'm like, all right,
I'll take you over to some of the places that
I know that are a little creepy. And so we

(53:39):
went out to this place called the Area seven, and
I parked so that way I was. I turned the
car around so I was part heading out right so
that we could just leave when we needed to. She
rolled down her windows. I rolled down my windows, and
she was looking often too. You know. We were just

(53:59):
sitting there, listening and looking off into the darkness. It's
three in the morning, and they start hearing crows. I'm like, okay,
I know crows aren't just be up this late at night,
so then that's obviously going to be something else, right.
So I start seeing I start having signs that there's

(54:20):
something out there that is not It's like skinwalker sign
if you will boom or something that's not right. So
I hear that crow sound coming from like for more,
I'm sitting from my eleven o'clock at by three o'clock,

(54:43):
she says, hey, there's something moving over by the tree
or by the bushes over there, kid, take a look.
I look over and I see something that I catch
a glimpse of something that reminds me of like that
spider monkey looks right. So I'm like, okay, something over
there or something over here to my eleven o'clock and

(55:03):
then to my nine o'clock, I caps sure some movement,
but it's down below me because we're kind of up.
We're on this dirt gravel road but it's elevated, and
then it goes down and it's kind of like a
ditch to on the driver's side, and I can't focus

(55:23):
in on what I'm seeing, but there's but I can
kind of tell that there's something crawling towards the car.
I get a flashlight out, and you know, flashlight doesn't
the beam doesn't go very far because I didn't didn't
think about having a spotlight, of course, But so I
start hearing kind of like this concoffany and noise startup.

(55:47):
But it's in my head and I'm like, okay, well
there's something over here. There's something where to my three o'clock,
there's something oft in the distance. In my eleven and
I flipped on the light and they turn it off again,
and then they turn it off. I can see the
shadow at my ninds still kind of creeping closer, but
it's like really close to the ground and off at

(56:12):
my eleven, I see this glimmer like kind of the
way you would think like a rhinestone captures the sunlight
and just glimmers that light back at you, you know.
But it's a red light that I see off in

(56:32):
the distance. But I can steal whatever. All of this
is encroaching closer and closer and closer, and everything that's
insiding me is like, you don't want to stay around
to see what this is. It's not going to be

(56:53):
good whatever's out there. You need to leave right now.
And I told her, I said, you know, I have
the suspicion of what this is that's out there. We
don't need to be around to see it because we
won't want to be around to see it. So it
turned on the car and started driving away, and she
was like, oh, it's too bad. Then wanted to see something.

(57:15):
I'm like, honey, you don't want to see what that was.
There's people, so that glimmer that I saw. They talk
a lot about like how these these Navajo witches will
wear like a crystal on top of their heads when
they put their skins down, when they put their skins on,
and that after a while, it'll create a bald spot

(57:38):
on top of their head. So I've heard things within
our community that if you see somebody with the bald
spot on top of their head, they're probably doing something
that they shouldn't be doing.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Huh. Yeah, you had mentioned that Area seven to me
before whenever we talked on the phone. That's just like
an area where there's a lot of weird things going on.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's so it's a lot of the Sewin
River kind of going to the northwest. Back in the fifties,
when the US government decided to put in an agricultural
project for the naval nation, they had put they'd created
sections of land that they named and then area settular areas,

(58:29):
and so Area seven happened to be one of them.
And so that was the precursor to the Nappi, which
is the huge operation they have now that's south of
Farmington and south of where Brenda lives. And because I
know that she told you about how they go up
how these creatures will go up there and go raid

(58:50):
the crops up on the on the Maza. Yeah, before
before those operations were put here near Farmington, they were
actually over by ship Rock over in this area. Seven
was one of the areas. But you have to like
it's you basically have to drive all the way out

(59:11):
this paved road and then he hit a dirt road
and then you have to drive down this dirt road.
So quite a ways, it's if you didn't know where
it was, you would miss it if you if you
weren't from the area. You know, there's nothing that's really
remarkable about what it's at. You just know that you're there.
If you're a local. And because so far out of town,

(59:31):
like you know, a lot of the a lot of
people will go out there and party. I've heard stories
about people, you know, being out there drinking with their
buddies and then they were like, oh, he's tossed out,
let's leave him here. And that buddy that wakes up
in three or four in the morning out in the
middle of nowhere, finds his way back out to the

(59:52):
road and starts walking down the road into town and
starts noticing that there's little rocks that are being thrown
at him and turns around. I doesn't see anything, keeps
walking and it turns you on walks and starts stealing things,
hitting the back of the neck and of it. It's

(01:00:14):
one of the stories of like the Little People. Basically
what happens is this person then starts getting changed out
by them like that they're trying to shoot them away
from there from from where they lived. I've been down
there before, Like I was down there with the buddy
of mine and we it was in the summer and

(01:00:36):
it was freaking hot, I remember, and I was looking
off to the side of the the area that we
were actually see there was like a there wasn't really
any tree we could go sit under, so there was
like some shrubs, and I was looking to see if
there's like a place where could like kind of scoot
into and be covered. I noticed this little opening and

(01:00:58):
these in the brush. And this brush is probably about
fifty ten feet tall, and it looks like reads and section.
It's just it's it's like kind of brambles. But I
noticed that there was an area that looks like well,
if I if I take it down on my knees,
I could like easily get him there, so I did.

(01:01:21):
I got I kind of scooted through it. I walked,
went went through it, and I was able to stand
up soon as I got into it, and so I
back a hand would comment and I said, hey, look
come in here, you can stand up in the here.
And it's great. He comes in, and but then I noticed,
I'm like, this is kind of odd. It was free

(01:01:42):
of any kind of litter, like any kind of like
leaf litter, any kind of dirt litter. There was a
couple of bones in there, and it was just really
particularly clean. And he and I sat there for a minute,
and actually while we were there, we were there for

(01:02:02):
about an hour and chatting away and stuff, and I
mean we ended up leaving and we came back out
there about it's been a couple of weeks after that, like, hey,
let's go back to that place we were at. And
I look over to where that opening is, and something

(01:02:25):
has taken the branches and has placed it in in
a way where you if we it's covering up that opening.
And I look at it. I'm like, oh whatever, I'm
like I'm getting back in there. I pushed the thing
opening you climb back in there, and I remember that day,
I'm like hearing this chatter from across the river because

(01:02:52):
you know, I remember at the time just thinking that
it was like like you know, when you're down by
the river and you hear the water going over the rocks,
you just kind of assume that you're just hearing things, right, Yeah,
But when I've talked about when I've been hearing your
show and other people talk about it, I'm like, it
sounded like it sounded like what you would do if

(01:03:12):
you could two, if you were standing there with your
buddy of yours and you were like, can you believe
what the guy is doing? Oh my gosh, we did
all that stuff, and I look at that from across
the river, and I remember we were very well. We
didn't stay very long because I kind of got freaked
out because I'm like, whatever this is was actually made.

(01:03:34):
It wasn't something that was like natural, and it's not
an animal like a deer that are coming into doing this,
because why would it be so clean?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
And it was large enough for me and my buddy
to go in there and sit down, and we have
plenty of room and we could stand up inside of
the place, So it's like truly I haven't been back
to that area. I haven't been back to that particular
area since then, but that's in that area seven portion

(01:04:05):
of the river. Oh. I do remember that that summer
we were up in the mountains, talked about different vocalizations.
One thing I distinctly remember, I was always hearing cows,
and I thought, well, that's kind of odd that I
can hear. And you know, the more I've been around

(01:04:26):
cattle as I've gotten older, I'm like, towns really aren't
that loud? Are they? I know, like they move, but
they're not like echoing through the forest kind of loud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Not really, or they're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Not like I can hear that, and I know it's
like three two three miles away, but it sounds like
a cow. But I remember that stinkly that these creatures
would make. Like you know, you hear about the moan
you hear about the screen. These guys wouldn't move. I
really like low level you could hear the move, you know,

(01:05:03):
that kind of thing. Actually it sounded a lot like that,
but we I always passed it off as it just
being like the cows, you know, And I'm just likes
is cow. My cousin who was a skeptic until he
actually saw one a bigfoot, and suddenly he also started

(01:05:27):
remembering like, oh yeah, I've seen it here and I've
seen it there and then you know that kind of thing.
She's had some good orb stories. But I remember him
also telling me a story about a minotaur as well
too that he saw. Oh wow, yeah, that one freaked
me out when he like really, He's like yeah, because
I was. He does. He's he's like our family's mechanics.

(01:05:51):
And so I was over there with him and he
was like, so, who's give me your stories? He was
telling me that he says it's about he says, you
know what I'm here's in the I'm out here tinkering
around really late in the morning, early in the morning.
It was around like one two in the morning. He
was working on in the car, and he said it
sounded like a cow and distress, and like, what are

(01:06:15):
you talking? He says, you know, like when a baby
cat is like looking for it's mom or it's like
it's in that kind of thing that sound that it makes.
That's what I started hearing. And he said, I called
up to the because he has his other family that
lives up the hill from him and he called up there,

(01:06:35):
or actually they called down and they said, hey, do
you see anything. I mean, like, well, we're hearing this thing.
We're hearing this weird noise coming down from your area.
I mean, you've see anything. He says, yeah. Actually, I'm
standing out here right now and I can see it.
It's walking up along the ditch. And he says, distinctly,

(01:06:57):
it had like the top part it looked like a bull.
In the bottom part of it looked like it was
walking like on legs, like the human and it was.
It walked along the road till it got to the
next casture where it could where there isn't sense, and

(01:07:18):
it turned the corner and walked towards the river. And like,
you know, when I think about it, like Brenda and
everybody says, what is it with that river?

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah, yeah, something, something's going on out there, man. I mean,
I've never heard anybody describe something like that before. I
read somewhere. It might have been like Reddit or something
where a Native kid was talking about walking home one night.

(01:07:48):
He said that he heard something whistling at him and
that he kept like looking around and he couldn't see anything,
and he's getting scared because it's you know, nighttime, and
he's by himself, and he he's hearing this whistlane. And finally,
like the last time he turned around, he said that
there was a thing that looked like a horseman like.

(01:08:11):
He described it as like a horse on two legs basically,
but it was the proportions of a man, but had
the distinctive head of a horse. Was standing behind him,
and he just took off running.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, And I had never heard of that one. Yeah,
so I don't know. I've heard centaurs. Brenda mentioned something
about I think her son said he saw a centaur
type thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
I have heard stories of that too. South of Window Rocks.
I remember somebody telling me that south of Window Rock
toward I forty there that somebody had seen one up
on the Mesa. And then another thing that I've been
hearing about around here is the large snake. My cousin,

(01:08:59):
the one that saw the minotaur, has actually seen this
large snake. You know the you know the drainage tubes
that they put ar reneath the underneath roads. Yeah, they're
probably a good diameter, probably like good thirty thirty six
inches or so. Yeah, he's come across something that's been

(01:09:19):
that has been going into one of those things that
is taking up the entire diameter of that large black snake. Yeah,
so I don't doubt it. I mean, like even in
the Navajo, in our creation stories, there are stories about bigfoot,
there are stories about large snakes, there are stories about
these hybrid is. Yeah, it's interesting to think, how how

(01:09:44):
like a lot of the indigenous stories and tales are
actually kind of talking about things that are truly out there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
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