Ep:181 The Bigfoot Rabbit Hole

A past guest returns to clear the air on some things and speak more openly about his journey down the bigfoot rabbit hole. When it comes to investigating cryptids and the unknown, there are numerous paths to choose from. The question isn't so much as which one is right, but which one is right for you.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I kind of held back in that first episode, which
I think you knew when I was holding back. I've decided,
you know, might as well just speak my mind and
just quit holding back.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I can't lie where my research is gone.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Anybody that's investigating now or used to investigate a lot.
If you're really getting into this field hardcore, having an encounters.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
This kind of like second nature, Like it just happens.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're going into places so often that they're gonna happen.
Weird stuff happens all the time when you're going out.
Obviously not every time I.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Go into the field. Something happens.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
The deeper you go into this field, you got to
really start wondering, really, what are you dealing with. I
wouldn't say that I think I have the answers, but
I'm either getting closer to the answers or I'm going
way down the wrong rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
This is a little bit different for me. Not many
guests asked to come back on and yeah, I kind
of held back in that first episode. Yeah, and the
first time I talked, which I think you knew I
was holding back. I've decided, you know, might as well
just speak my mind and just holding back you know,
I listened, you know, the episode one seventy eight, one

(01:40):
sixty nine kind of caught my attention because I understand
where those guys are coming from, and I've been working
on a lot of the same theories they were talking about,
and I was like, you know what, if Matt's going
to let them talk about that subject matter, I don't
think he's gonna mind if I just quit holding back
and just let loose. Growing up the sort of the

(02:02):
short version of a very long story. The way I
got into Bigfoot was at a very early age. I
was experiencing paranormal stuff in my house, and my house
has a history of paranormal stuff, and it was kind
of like this this journey through the paranormal stuff and

(02:26):
trying to learn about it growing up that I ended
up finding out about Bigfoot. It was just like a
related interest, you know that I read about in books
and stuff, and later on in life I ended up,
you know, basically looking up Bigfoot on the Internet and

(02:47):
finding out that people go out and look for it
and everything, and I thought, oh, that's kind of cool,
you know whatever. I was into the outdoors and stuff,
and I ended up meeting up with people and started
going out researching just out the gate, and that's kind
of how I got into Bigfoot. But with that being said,
that was in my early twenties, and by the time

(03:10):
I had reached that point, I had experienced all kinds
of crazy stuff in my life, all kinds of paranormal stuff,
things that can't be explained. And I'm pretty grounded in
my beliefs with like science and everything to a certain extent,
but like, I'm fully aware that there's things out there

(03:30):
that like we just don't have the answers for, and
things happen. And I noticed that there seemed to be
some sort of connection with a lot of people just
their paths were a little bit different, or they had
like a lot of stuff happening to them that wasn't
just all Bigfoot. You know, there was other stuff going

(03:51):
on too. And so I've experienced enough in my life,
you know that I don't have an explanation for or
can't be fit into a little box or to know
that there's a lot more to it than just what
a lot of people think. So would that be said, Yeah,

(04:12):
I let people come on here and tell whatever story
or theories or whatever, you know, because like I know
there's more to it.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, definitely, I get it. I can't lie when my
research is gone. I can't lie where just like you,
I've experienced a lot of crap and I can't you know,
I can't lie and say it didn't happen. So I just,
you know, I'm tired of holding back. I decided to
just gonna speak my mind a little more freely this time.

(04:48):
I mean, I've got other encounters that I can talk on.
I have a feeling that any investigator, whether it's you
or which I know you don't investigate anymore, but anybody
that's investigating now or or I used to investigate a lot.
It seems to me that if you're really getting into
this field hardcore, it becomes like having encounters is kind

(05:12):
of like second nature, Like it just happens. I mean,
you're going out look, you're going into places so often
that they're gonna happen. Weird stuff happens all the time
when you're going out there. Not every time, obviously, not
every time I go into the field, something happens. But
I've got more than one encounter, like because I've just
been doing this since I guess twenty thirteen now, but

(05:36):
I definitely just want to speak more freely.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, let me put it this way. My show is
not meant to cater to any one belief system. You know,
you could say some things that, for whatever reason, open
the doors for someone else or helps them deal with
something that they're going through where they might think they're
crazy or that you know nobody would believe them, or whatever.

(06:00):
So I encourage you to go whatever direction you want.
The platform is yours, man, I mean, like I said,
I'm not used to this situation. You're the first person
I've done this with, to be honest, so like, yeah,
the floor is yours. Say what you want.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
First off, I'll just get this cleared out. I introduced
myself as Mike from Interdimensional Wisdom last time.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
My name is actually Joe, and.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
The reason I'm doing that is I don't really think
there's any reason not to use my real name. Also,
I've had a few individuals ask me, why don't you
just use your real name instead of using your alias,
And I've decided, you know what, I'm gonna quit hiding

(06:53):
behind my it's.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Actually a.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Middle name, so I'm just using my real name from
this going forward. So anyways, name's Joe, for one, and
I'm glad to be back talking to you.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, for the first several years that I was involved
in Bigfoot, my name was Kane Marco.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I get the alias thing. Uh, there's nothing wrong with that.
But you know, I always give the guests the option
if they want to use an alias or stay as
anonymous as they want. And you reached out to me
recently and you said, you know what, I want to
come back on and I want to speak more freely,
and I want to talk about some things that you know,

(07:37):
I didn't get to last time, and so that's why
we're here.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You know I've had I spoke on my other encounters,
and you know I've had other encounters other than the
ones that I spoke to you about. But and I
can relay those, you know, for you and others to listen,
you know, to hear. I'll just use an example. I

(08:07):
went to Iowa probably.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Let's say at least four or five years ago. I
don't remember the exact date, But.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
The point is I started doing research in Iowa and
at that point, at that point in my research, I
just looked for what I would consider plausible terrain to
potentially find cryptids, which at that point in my research, I.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Was using the same a lot of the same benchmarks.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
That you would use if you were going to go
look for transient mountain lions or you're going to go
look for any other type of animal in the in
an area, you know, you narrow it down to certain
parameters that you're looking for, which is what I did
for that area.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I didn't know the area other than.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I had two individuals that I was working with at
the time in my career, my career field and they,
you know, through talking to me, told me that they
were interested in having an experience that they wanted to
see sasquatch or well one of them was interested in

(09:30):
dog man, but point being as they'd never gone out.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
In the field, but they were open to it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So I was like, you know, well, I can't promise anything,
but I'll take you guys with me and we'll see
where it goes. And so I narrowed it down to
a to a wildlife management area in that area in
eastern Iowa, and I told him that we would take

(10:01):
off probably about an hour or two before sunset. That
I told them that I primarily operate I'd prefer to
operate right in that transition zone between dawn to dusk
or dusk to dawn and then through the overnight. That's
what I've found to be the most active time frame

(10:22):
for having any type of encounters or experiences. So anyways,
we drove out to an area and I used a
call that I was using at the time, and it's
been productive before that to get return calls and or.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Basically get other to get to get them come in,
to get them to come into me. And so we
went out to.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
An area around in the rural area, in a parking lot.
It's not quite dark yet, and I used that call.
We didn't hear a call back, but probably about five
ten minutes after I made the call.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
First thing that I noticed is my instincts started going off.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
So I don't know about you, but with me, anytime
i'm doing field research, if they're coming in, I know
they're coming in through my instincts. Usually first my instincts
start going off, and I could just tell something was coming,
something was in the area. The whole atmosphere changed, and

(11:38):
shortly thereafter I started hearing The best way I can
describe it as like a linebacker running through the woods
and you've heard branches snapping and twigs being stepped on
and leaves being stepped on, and it just got louder
and louder, and I started bracing myself. We were standing

(12:02):
outside our vehicle and I.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Told the guys I was with.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was like, look, I don't know where this is
going to go, but if we hear footsteps on the
rocks and we don't see anything, but we hear footsteps,
we need to go because that means that they're running still.
So we held until I heard the first foot fall

(12:29):
in the rocks, and it kept on coming. At that point,
all all I did was turn around jump in my vehicle.
They jumped in the vehicle, and I didn't actually see
anything at that point, but one of the guys I
was with said, I don't know what that was, but

(12:54):
that was the biggest wolf I'd ever seen. So we
jumped in the car and we took off. I saw
at that time. But that night, let that led into
a weird night in that we stopped at a field
down the road from that area and something came to

(13:16):
the edge of the field that I was I was
able to visually observe and it was what people would
call a dog man more commonly referred to as a
dog man on the edge of that cornfield. That night
was a bad night in that whatever that was followed

(13:36):
us and we were staying at a hotel that night.
The reason I say it was a bad night is
because a I got to visually observe it.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
It came up to the edge of the corner.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
There was a field next to that hotel, and it
came up to the edge of that field and the ditch,
and it owed itself right on the edge of the ditch.
But really what made it a bad night is that
just the feeling I had that night. The feeling I
had that night was like an overwhelming sense of like

(14:15):
That's why I can describe it as dread, and I
felt like haunted or hunted, and I knew they were outside,
and I'm pretty I'm pretty up until this point, I'm
pretty stable in my how I view the world psychologically.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
So I didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Like that that e been actually made me quit researching
for quite a while because.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It just pushed me over the edge. I didn't like
that feeling of feeling haunted or hunted.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Basically, the guy that saw it Originally, whenever you were
in the parking lot, was he the one that was
interested in seeing dog man?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Negative, that was actually the other guy that wanted to
see the dog man. I mean that wanted to see
the dog man. The guy that said he saw it
was interested in just going period. But one of them
was definitely interested in dog man. Anyways, that really made
me quit for a little while. I quit their own
research for just's a couple months. I did more academic research.

(15:24):
But ironically, if you look at the names of the roads,
one of the roads in that area where that hotel
is at is called well well, it basically refers back
to like wolf, but it's spelled like with a German spelling,

(15:45):
which is just it makes me wonder why did they
name that road that name? And we also had a
dog man encounter in that area.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
It just I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
But if you if you start studying maps, that's actually
quite common. It's known among researchers that you know, if
you look at the name of certain creeks or the
name of certain bayous, and the name of certain roads.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Or hills, a lot of those areas.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Have activity in them, and you wonder, why did they
name it that.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean, that was actually something that we looked for
quite often whenever we are scouting new areas.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I've had multiple encounters, and I could continue to tell
you my encounters, but really what I would like to,
you know, talk on other than you know, I could
talk about doing field research, but I think field research
is only gonna get you so far until you dive
deeper into the subject matter of you know, what really

(16:51):
is sasquatch or dog man and what.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know? I know it's it's a very contentious topic, but.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
You have to ask why can certain researchers basically not
you know, they can't have encounters at will, but they
have gotten to the point where they have encounters pretty
frequently in they're having encounters where sasquatch handle or dog
men are coming to their home. I know of researchers
that now can speak in a language that they weren't

(17:31):
able to speak.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Like, there's.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
The deeper you go into this field, you got to
really start wondering, really what are you dealing with? Because
you had a recent Gentleman on episode one, seventy eight
episode and it just made me really start thinking about
a few things, and I just really wanted to speak
more openly on them, and that's where my research had led.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Anyways, So have you reached a point where you think
you have some of those answers.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's not I wouldn't say that I think I have
the answers, but I'm definitely leaning heavily.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
In the direction that.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm either getting closer to the answers or I'm going
the way down the wrong rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Okay, well, I mean what rabbit hole are you going down?
What are you leaning towards at this point?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, so, you know, regarding that gentleman's view and what
he was saying, you know, I die, I went down
the same path that he went into regarding them being spiritual.
But humans, if you look at it from a quantum
physics standpoint, or if you study the Bible.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
No matter what academic.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
What academic stans you're going to take, humans are energy
at the base level.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And you know.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
The latest advantage advances in quantum physics and associated fields,
you know that means, you know, humans are basically electrical
energy or energy or electrical energy at the base at
the base level, as far as atoms are concerned. Why

(19:31):
is sasquatch and dog Man also not energy at that
base level?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Also, and how do I put this?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
So you know, dog Man and Sasquatch are and humans
are all energy at the base level. And why can't
you be spiritual yet physical at the same same time
if you're if you're using quantum physics plasma plasma theory,

(20:10):
and like the latest studies in like interdimensional theory, why
can't you be one and why can't you be both
at the same time? Basically, what is why can't Sasquatch
and dog Man exist in our dimension yet be able
to cross into whatever other dimension they're coming from or

(20:34):
they go to when they're not in this one. The
reason I go down that path is, you know, you're
probably I'm not gonna be the first person to say
this to you, but many researchers talk about them being
able to cloak or you know the famous story of this,

(20:56):
which isn't really a famous story in that it's happened to.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Them altiple researchers.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's just one story has been talked about more publicly,
and that they talk about the snow tracks that disappear
into the open field. You know, how did those tracks
just end? Where did that where did that that specimen
go to.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, they didn't. There's no tree there, there was no
hole in the ground. The tracks just stopped in the
middle of a field. I know that.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
When you start getting into this subject matter, I was
not comfortable initially going down this rabbit hole. The only
reason I was even willing to start really getting into
it more heavily is when I started looking at it
more from the standpoint of quantum physics and you know,

(21:56):
plasma theory and interdimensional theory, and that there is actually
science behind this.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's not just crazy talk.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, there is science behind it. There is study into
different states of matter and things that can actually change
their state of matter independently where they do become different things.
And so the next step in that would be what

(22:27):
you're talking about, something that would be able to basically
be two different states at the same time.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
The other thing that makes me think about it is
how is it that we have witnesses or we have
investigators that talk about they materialized on my roof. I
didn't see them on camera across my yard. I didn't
visually observe them around my house, but they're on my

(22:58):
roof as if they originated on their roof. Now, obviously
you have to dive into that incident and rule out
them crossing in to that property from the woods and
make sure that they didn't just climb up on the roof.
But there's been multiple I don't know about you, but

(23:18):
I've spoken to multiple witnesses that have said that they
just basically were They didn't see them on their cameras.
I've had at least two that had cameras around their
house and they didn't see the specimen on their cameras,
and it was as if it just appeared on their
roof and it was walking around on their roof. Which

(23:39):
is why another incidents like that, or the tracks disappearing
in the field and other experiences that I've had in
the field, is why I started going down this rabbit hole,
which you know, once you really start digging into it,

(24:00):
if they are let's say there they are, and that
they are, they have the ability to move between this
and another dimension. If you study other academic texts, it
leads you into questions regarding the fallen Basically, our Sasquatch

(24:22):
and dogmens origins origins from the fallen via, potentially the
nephilim Via, possibly genetic alterations, which then that gets into
people arguing about or is the alien subject matter and
the demon subject matter?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Is that separate?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
But if aliens are possibly interdimensional, which you know, we're
going way way down the rabbit hole now, could it
be that the aliens are actually what is written in
the Bible as the fall and as in they're the
same basically that there is no difference between the two.

(25:07):
Is the spiritual world in the in the via the
interdimensional theory tied into alien academic theory and the whole
subject changes when you really start to think about the
subject and look at the you know, the associated academic
texts like and in the.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Time and the world's changing.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
That's the only reason I'm really even willing to speak
on this openly in that, you know, we had a
congressman recently on Joe rogan and and Paulina Luna talking
about interdimensional theory, and there was another channel that talks

(25:44):
I don't know if he wants me to say, modern
mysticism is YouTube channel, and he talks about interdimensional theory
and plasma theory, which if you listen to those episodes
and you actually study the science, how can you not
know for sure that sasquatch, dog man, angels, demons, aliens

(26:07):
are not interconnected in some way.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Do you think they're connected or do you think they
are the same thing.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know. I don't I really don't know that.
I don't know the answer to that one.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I don't know if they're the same thing or they're
interconnected in some way, and that they're separate entities that
are all interrelated in some form, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Because let's just pull the band aid off real quick. Earlier,
whenever you were talking about the encounter you had in
Iowa with those other guys, you talked about going out
to an area looking for cryptids.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
You didn't say bigfoot and you didn't say dog man,
you said cryptids.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Whenever you start looking for these areas, once you figured
out these are the areas to go to, and you
start going to those areas, it's not just one thing
that shows up there.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Absolutely, So are all of these different things just attracted
to the same you know land. I mean that's kind
of weird to think. So, you know, so what's going
on here? Is this like, well, yeah, all fish live
in water? I mean, are these things coming from the

(27:37):
same place. Are they being drawn to the same thing?
Are they somehow drawn from our own consciousness?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Which is possible depending on who you you know, who
you study. You know, there's definitely academics that are moving
towards the theory of you know, I can't even really
speak on it without watching in the video again, but basically,
you know, you make your own reality, right.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
And there's a lot of people you were talking about,
you know, modern alien theory for a lack of a
better term, how UFOs aren't necessarily you know, these these
spacecraft from the deep reaches of space, but maybe they're
into inner dimensional There's been observed documented sightings of UFOs

(28:36):
where they have seemed to be fluid in nature or
made out of some sort of non solid material, where
they're constantly changing shape and frequency and everything else. And
there's definitely people out there who somehow either manifest or

(28:57):
call in or UFOs aliens whatever you want to call it, telepathically,
psychically through meditation. I don't really know what label to
put on it, but it's not it's no longer little
green men in flying spaceships.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean, so.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
You know, since I'm talking more freely, you know I've
gotten to the point personally that I can lay in bed.
And I'm not saying that I can do this in
the middle of a city, although because I've not tested
it yet, but I can. I can lay in bed
on the edge of its town or the edge of

(29:40):
a suburban area. And I don't know why. I can't
explain it, and it doesn't happen all the time, but
it's not uncommon for them to come to me. I'm
not talking about aliens. I'm talking about I don't I
don't think i've ever I may or may not have

(30:02):
seen whatever you want to call them, UFOs or unidentifying
but aerial phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't know UAPs. I don't know what term they're
using anymore. I may or may not have seen that
at some point.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
But I can say for sure that it's not uncommon
for me at times to have dog band sasquatch. I
don't go outside to go ask which one is out there,
but it's not uncommon for me to be laying in
bed and I know they're there because my instincts tell
me they're there. For one two, who else is tapping

(30:38):
on the window? Who else is tapping on the side
of the house and not showing up on camera. Who
else is showing is tapping on the side of the
house and not tripping the security measures that I've taken
because because of the field that I've gotten into, I
do take certain persecurity measures to.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Rule out humans.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Now, either I'm dealing with the one of the smartest
freaking humans that I've dealt with that is trained in
special forces military, you know, ex military, or it's something

(31:23):
it's sasquatch or dog man or something else tapping on
the side of the house.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And why am I able.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
To essentially call them in at this point? And I
don't know how I'm doing it. I don't know if
I psychic or whatever you want to call it. But
it's not uncommon for me at this point, and I
don't know why I've gotten to that point. But it's
also not unheard of. It's not like I'm the only
researcher that is able to do that.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I know several that that happens too.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That you know, they feel as if they're being visited
regularly by cryptids. We'll just calling cryptids, and why are
they coming. I don't know why are certain individuals able
to call them in I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
And do you have any theories?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I mean I do, I mean going down the rabbit
hole that I was already going down. It got me
into thinking about how do we not know that we
as modern humans just lost knowledge as a broader population
on how to navigate the true depths of our abilities,

(32:37):
you know, because it seems the ancient popular the ancient
populations of humans were more open and in a broader
sense to discuss these topics and to go down this

(32:58):
rabbit hole, because it's as if times are changing. Because
it wasn't until the last four or five years that
I really started.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Hearing that many people talk about this, And.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It wasn't within the last year to six months that
I've heard it enough that I'm willing to talk about
it openly.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know if I know for sure, but I
heard one gentleman talk about.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
That we live potentially in a fractical, a practical, fractal
holographic universe which everything in a single place contains the
whole of the universe, which you have to dive. I'm
not going to explaund I'm not going to expound on
that theory. But who's to say that that gentleman's not wrong.

(33:54):
I mean, who's to say he's not right about that?
I don't know why, but it just seems like sasquatching
dog man. You know, if you want to go even
further into angels, demons can manipulate energy to move around
between this dimension where we're at and wherever they're going

(34:19):
or coming from. If you dive into plasma theory while
studying sasquatch an ancient religious texts such as the you know,
the Book of Enoch, you can start how you can
start seeing how it's possibly.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Interrelated, which.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
If you you know, you study that and then you
also bring you know, integrate morality into you can start
getting into like the concepts of light and darkness, good
and evil.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You know, you.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Can start speculating on sasquatching dog man themselves.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Are they good? Are they evil?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Are they divided between the boats? Do they have the
will to choose between? Are they good? Are they bad?
Are they of the light? Are they of the darkness?
But if you speak to you know, indigenous on indigenous beliefs,
you can see how you can see why they call

(35:21):
Sasquatch and dog man of the shadow, you know, or
they're not of the shadow.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It depends on what tribe you speak to, but which
going down there?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
You know, going down that subject, you know, why did
the seminole refer to them as the ones that make
you forget? How can sasquatch make you forget? If they
don't have powers to make you forget? I don't know
if I've gotten answers, but I definitely feel as if
going down this rabbit hole, I'm going in the right
direction only because I'm not saying that they're not physical,

(35:59):
but I'm starting to question what does physical mean? Just
because your body's physical in this on this plane, why
does that Why does that mean that it can't transition?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
So here's a question, and this isn't necessarily directed at you,
it's just something for everyone to think about. If you
are of the belief that ghosts exists, and that ghosts
are the spirit of the former living, whether it be

(36:36):
a person or an animal or whatever, at one point
in time, that person was a physical being. After they
passed away, they became a spiritual being. If you believe
that that's possible, why can you not entertain the idea

(36:59):
that they're There might be things out there that don't
have to pass away to accomplish that.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, that's I definitely, I definitely can understand that for sure.
I don't know why it's hard for others to see that,
but it is definitely not an easy subject matter for many.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I mean you spoke on the idea that we forgot
abilities that we once had. Yeah, if you think about
things like ancient Egypt and the Great Pyramids and all that,
and how we still to this day debate and try
to figure out like how are those things made? And
we just can't wrap our heads around the idea that

(37:45):
like humans could do that back then. We find it
difficult to do that sort of thing today with modern tools.
So how did people back then do it? Without those
modern tools? Would it have even been possible?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
There?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
I mean, the theories are all over the place whenever
it comes to that subject, And oftentimes I have pondered
whenever it comes to Bigfoot and other cryptids and the
paranormal and you know, aliens and all that sort of thing,
why are we so fascinated with it? Why are we
so interested in trying to figure it out and hold

(38:21):
on to it? I mean, take Bigfoot as an example.
Bigfoots everywhere it's used in advertising marketing. There's people with
Bigfoot stickers on their cars everywhere. And we're not talking
about bigfoot researchers. These are just everyday people. They use
it in television commercials, you know, jack links and all that.

(38:43):
Why they don't do that with other cryptids?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
So why Bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Is it possible looking back at the stories of the
Native Americans, how some tribes, you know, the way that
they talk about Bigfoot, for instance, that they're just the others,
the other people, and that at one time humans had
a peaceful existence with Bigfoot and it coexisted and would

(39:12):
communicate with one another. Maybe they kept their distance a
little bit, but they were still fully aware of one another,
and Bigfoot didn't hide from us. Basically, Yeah, So is
it possible that, like, you know, the the interest that
we have in all this subject matter is because part
of our psyche remembers those times and remembers those abilities,

(39:34):
and we're trying to hold on to it and we
just can't quite put our finger on it.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, It's quite possible, which, you know, going into that
and related to what I was talking about earlier, you know,
there's also the theory that you know, I don't know
exactly the details on it, because I I still am

(40:00):
researching it myself, but that humans and you know sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Are they not only.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Were we living side by side at one point, but
you got to get into well, what's the origins of
humans and sasquatch? And are sasquatch the genetically modified or
is it humans that are genetic possibly genetically modified? If

(40:37):
you want to consider the Bible and the Book of
Knock and get into the fallen which you know, that
opens up a whole different rabbit hole in itself if
you really want to study, you know, the apocryphal and

(40:59):
figure out truly what are they, you know, the origins
of humans and sasquatch and did we live together at
one point?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And you know, I.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Don't know about you, but to think that potential, to
think about the potential that you know, humans were the
ones that were genetically modified and it's not. And that's
the reason our brains were able to advance as fast
as they did. And that's why they can't explain how
we made the jump from basically monkeys to humans as

(41:37):
fast as we did.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
You know, that just opens up a whole different ballpark
of questions and I don't know the answer to that one.
I don't know the answer to the origins of humans
and where did sasquatch come from? But I've definitely considered
did humans and sasquatch once, you know, dwell together and

(42:04):
it's only over time that sasquatch of withdrawn into the
more rural areas. But then that also gets into if
sasquatch do have the if humans and sasquatch did intermix
amongst themselves in ancient times and sasquatch over time withdrew

(42:29):
which you know, you talk to many indigenous about the subject.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
They do speak on. They're just the other people.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
If sasquatch has the abilities that we're talking about, why
can't humans have that ability?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
We just don't know it.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Well, if you're going down that rabbit hole, if we
look at nature, if we look at the animal kingdom, okay,
separate the humans from it. If you remove humans from
the earth and you look at the animals that are
left and you look at primates and you think, okay, Well,

(43:12):
as a designer, if I'm designing the next level up
from there, what does that thing look like? And in
my opinion, it looks like a bigfoot it does not
look like a human. In my opinion, there is a

(43:33):
huge gap between everything on the planet and then humans,
which to me seems really strange. It also seems strange
that we have found, you know, skeletal remains and artifacts

(43:56):
and everything from other humans and human type species that
just no longer exist. I know that's possible, but I
also know that that also sounds like feld experiments that
have been discarded and moved on from. Yeah, I mean,

(44:24):
I know, and we're just talking. You know, nobody needs
to get their panties in a wad. We're just talking.
We don't have the answers, but these are interesting things
to think about and then to take it a step further.
You know, sometimes in science, especially whenever you're talking about

(44:46):
things like genetic modifications and all that, we're starting to
learn as humans how to turn certain things on and
off in the genetic coding before something's ever born. There's
something's more advanced than us that created us. Who says
they didn't do the same thing to us and just

(45:08):
turned off those abilities. And maybe in some of society,
some people still have a little bit of fragments left,
still have a little bit of the abilities left it's
not turned off quite all the way. The handle on
the faucet isn't turned all the way off. Yeah, and

(45:31):
maybe it's possible that for some people they have figured
out how to start turning it back on.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, it's quite you know.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Obviously, me and you have thought about a lot of
the same things.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Oh, the Book of Enoch was years ago. Like Book
of Enoch should be required reading for all bigfoot researchers,
and you know that should be in like the first grade.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeap.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
It also makes me think about I don't know about you,
but if you noticed, which I'm kind of hesitant to
say this, but it is the truth that any researchers
that go too deep down this rabbit hole, some of
them tend to meet questionable fates that speak too openly

(46:27):
on this topic. But you might want to remove this
part from our just our talk. But I'm just asking,
I mean, if you're asking. There was an investigation that
I was a part of, and one of my best
friends was also involved in this investigation, and we were

(46:52):
talking recently. Out of the entire group of people that
we're part of this thing, several of them are no
longer with us, and the majority of the others have

(47:18):
suffered greatly health wise and had, for lack of better words,
near death experiences, including myself. I only started I only
asked that question because I'm not going to mention a
certain researcher's name. But you know, there was a researcher

(47:41):
that was talking about this subject, not quite as in
depth as we are right now, but they were definitely
talking about how Sasquatch could be spiritual, and they were
bringing the Book of Enoch and the Bible into it,
and there were a pretty well known researcher to at

(48:06):
least other researchers, and they had a heart attack, which
you know, many of the people listening are probably going
to figure out who I'm talking about. But that, together
with a few other occurrences, just made me wonder, well,

(48:29):
are we going down the right path? And we're not
supposed to be really poking around this path that much,
which is why I was not using my real name
until now. But I've just decided to pull the vand
aid off and just send it and just talk openly

(48:51):
because other people are talking openly about the subject matter.
Not everyone has had a negative repercussion from just talking,
because that's all we're doing.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
We're just talking.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I mean, obviously, you know, people have heart attacks, that's
a thing. You know, illness happens, Things happen. But there
is you know, a rumor amongst researchers and people involved
in encrypted research about the Bigfoot curse and everything. And
it was one of the first things I was ever
told about. I was told about a particular researcher that vanished.

(49:34):
Nobody knows what happened to them. And it was a woman.
Nobody knows what happened to her.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
She just vanished.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
There have been a number of researchers that have passed
away untimely deaths, seemingly out of nowhere. You know, there's
rumors of being approached by you know, unidentified figures representing

(50:02):
unofficial government agencies. There's all kinds of talk.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, I'm going to continue to do my field research
only because I enjoy doing the field research.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I enjoy.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Having these experiences, and maybe one day, if I continue
to do it, I'll get answers that I'm seeking. But
even if I don't get the answers that I'm seeking,
I still enjoy having the encounters and having the experiences

(50:43):
that I have, only because For me, I've found that
when it gets too intense for myself, I have a
way to make it tom down. Just put it that
way when it comes to dealing with sasquatch, dog man,

(51:07):
whatever the heck I'm dealing with. But I just don't know,
you know, I was talking about it before with you.
I don't know if a lot of researchers truly understand
what they're messing with when they get into this field,
because you know, they think we're just you know, you're
just chasing a big hairy ape around the woods. Okay,

(51:32):
you know, yeah, to a certain extent, you are just
chasing a big hairy ape around the woods.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
But if you chase that big hairy ape.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Around the woods long enough, you're gonna start noticing some
weird stuff like we've noticed. And then that gets you
down into other subject matter of where did it go?
Why did it suddenly just vanish on the edge of
that swamp or the edge of that in the middle
of that field.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Why have we seen I don't know about you, but
well you've probably dealt with this.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Why can we not get a crisp freaking picture of them?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
No matter what we do. I don't know about you.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
But I've tried and tried to get a good image,
and it's as if which that gets in the same
thing with you know, you talk to researchers and they
talk about, Hey, my batteries got drained, my batteries are
being drained. Well, okay, well if you study EMF, which
gets interrelated back into quantum physics, gets interrelated back into

(52:43):
plasma theory, which gets interrelated back into everything we were
just talking about. If you study that, they could potentially
have the ability to affect batteries, But why could they
not also have the ability to either A affect cameras
or B you can't get a clear image of them
because they have the ability to cloak themselves on demand.

(53:07):
And when you're taking that picture, are they cloaking or
are they transitioning from this dimension to another at that moment.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I don't know the answers to that, but I'm going
to continue chasing the answers, even though I'm getting to
the point now that either A I don't know if
I really truly want the answers and I just enjoy
doing the field work, or B if I really do
get the answers, I don't know if I would even
speak openly on them. If you understand where I'm going

(53:41):
with that.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
One, Yeah, I mean the honest question is if you
went deep enough into this subject and you reached a
point where you knew, you knew for a fact, this

(54:04):
is not just an undiscovered primate, how would you bring
that information back to the world. What would be the point?
What would be the point if the answer wasn't the
answer that everybody can accept and poke with a stick?

(54:26):
What are you going to do with it?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yep? What are you going to do with it?

Speaker 3 (54:31):
And I think a lot of people, maybe not a lot,
but some, maybe even yourself, have reached a point where
they've come to the conclusion I can't poke it with
a stick. And unfortunately, the Bigfoot world isn't wanting that answer,

(54:55):
isn't willing to accept that answer.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
No, I know, the broader you know, the broader community
definitely does not want to accept that or to hear
that answer. But that, you know, it makes me wonder.
That brings up the question for myself along the lines of, well,
why are they not willing, if you know, for that

(55:18):
to be the potential answer, If they're willing to study
deeper scientific theories and religion. Or also another question would be,
are we sure that you can't poke it with the
stick just because it does have other abilities? But that's

(55:39):
the question I'm getting to with. Even if it is
potentially spiritual or interdimensional, that doesn't mean that it's not
physical when it's here. So why couldn't if you were
at the which there's researchers that I know, and they
talk about being touched by a big foot, you know,

(56:02):
so if they were touched by.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
The big foot, it was was it physical at that.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Point when it touched them or then you got to
get into the whole subject matter of people that talk
about they felt like they were being touched by.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Other entities.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
You know, we can go into when it comes to
the others, you know, paranormal subject matter. They said that
they felt like there was a hand on their back
when they were when there was just a ghost behind them.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I don't know. I don't know those answers. I can't.
I can't tell you how it's possible.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
That a sasquatch would have the ability to cloak and
move between dimensions and.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Be able to touch you and at the same time
not be what we would refer to as physical. But
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I don't know. That's definitely a question that I'm going
trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Are they physical?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Where are they a physical matter while they're in this world?
Or do we have to dive deeper down the subject
matter of do we make her own a reality? Or
I don't know, I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
It's just the deeper you dig, man, the more complicated
this the question has become.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Well, here, I'll make it even more complex, because why
not what if there is a bigfoot? But what if
there's also something that can make you think and see
a bigfoot? Yeah, I heard a story from a friend

(57:49):
of mine out in Washington who was relaying the information
from an elder Native American woman who was talking about
these things that are out there that are a type
of shape shifter, and that they can look like a bigfoot.
They can look like a dog man, they can look

(58:11):
like a person, they can look like anything they want
to look like, and they will look like things that
the person they are appearing before has the intent on scene.
So if you're out there looking for a bigfoot, this
thing will show up looking like a bigfoot, but it's
not a bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
That's one of the reasons I went down this rabbit
hole is because the longer I was doing field research,
the more I started having experiences that weren't just purely
sasquatching dog man. I can't I couldn't just put them
in this sasquatch or dog man bracket on my on
the on my spreadsheet. I couldn't just say that was

(58:52):
sasquatch or that was dog man. I started having experiences
where the longer I've dug in, the deeper I've u
And you know, I travel quite a bit for my research.
It doesn't happen all in the same area. But because
I get to travel so much, you know, I've had

(59:12):
other experiences that would be Was that a shape shifter?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Was that witchcraft? Was that.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I hate talk, I hate the term of UAP or ufo?
But was that an alien? Or was that an alien spacecraft?
And I didn't start in this field initially to go
anywhere near that subject matter. You know, when I spoke

(59:41):
to you the first time, I think I told you
that I used to call everything that we're talking about
the WU like I didn't want anything.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
I didn't want anything to do with it.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
When I first got into this subject matter, I was
just trying to figure out what the heck I saw
a hunting one day, and I thought I was just
chasing another animal that happened to look nothing like any
animal I'd seen before. And as I dug and I
dug and I dug, I can't deny that my experiences

(01:00:20):
have not really led me towards.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Finding just another animal out there. It's led me towards questioning, well,
what are animals? What are we as humans? What is
the world around us? You know? What what is our reality?
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
This subject matter has pushed me into academic studies and
into questions that I had never thought about in my
life until I got into this subject matter, until I
started trying to figure out what that dog man was
that I I saw hunting initially in twenty thirteen. If

(01:01:03):
you had told me in twenty thirteen that I was
going to be talking about quantum physics and plasma.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Theory and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Practical holographic theory and talking about the Book of Enoch
and all these other subjects and that's where this was
going to lead me A I would have said, what
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
B that's crazy. I don't even know what the heck
you're I haven't no idea what you're talking about, and
I would not I don't know if I would have
moved any further on the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Subject and not just talk about those things, but talk
about them in the same conversation with one another.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
You're not the first person to reach that point. And
typically you come to a point where you have to
decide if you go further or if you pull away. Yep,
And clearly you've decided to go further.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, But I'm at the point now that I'm pretty
I'm only going further or just the experiences. I don't
even know if I'm going further because I really want
the answers, because I don't know if I'm comfortable with
to get the answers. I don't know how far I'd

(01:02:35):
have to go in the field work to get those answers.
So I enjoy having them around when they're out in
the field or when they come creeping around the house.
But I'm just doing it for the fun of researching.
At this point, I don't know if I want to

(01:02:58):
dive any further into pursuing answers. It's something I'm gonna
have to figure out. But on the same hand, I
guess I can just follow the research in the field,
research as it goes, and we'll see where what happens.
Because I don't want to quit going into the field

(01:03:19):
just because it's potentially something that is beyond many many
people's spectrum of reality, or it's because it's potentially something
that could alter my view of the world. The only
thing that stops me is I don't want to get

(01:03:42):
physically harmed by going further in the research. And I'm
not just talking about being harmed by sasquat or dog man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
But for me, it's made me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Made me much more in touch with my spiritual side
and religion. It's made me re revisit religion per se.
I was definitely drifting away from the church when I
was younger. I've definitely drifted towards the church churches i've
gotten older, especially the further I've gone down this this

(01:04:18):
rabbit hole. But I also don't want church to limit
my thoughts, like just because I believe, just because I
call myself a Christian and I have Christian beliefs, I
don't want that to limit my my ability to learn

(01:04:39):
or to explore the subject matter deeper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
That's actually an interesting thing because there's a number of
people who I have spoken with that saw all of
this stuff that you were talking about, like you were
calling it the WU earlier. You know, they don't believe it.
They don't believe in that stuff. This is just an

(01:05:07):
undiscovered animal blah blah blah. And then whenever I'm talking
to them, I'll ask them, you know, privately, are you
a Christian? Well, yes, so you believe in God? Yes, huh, okay,
So which part of the Bible and the Scripture is

(01:05:31):
not paranormal? I mean, I'm just saying, like my interpretation
of it is, it's all very much WU. It's all paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
So if you can believe that, then I mean, the
hard work's already done. You know, you may not get
the answers, you may not understand it, but you should
at least be able to entertain the possibility that maybe
some things out here are not quite what they're supposed

(01:06:08):
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
No, you know, just talking about sasquatch or dog man.
Why how is it that they're so widespread? How is
it that I can go to Colorado, for example, or
I can go to Wyoming, Montana, or Florida or Illinois, Texas,

(01:06:35):
New Mexico. Doesn't matter what state I've been to. If
I dig around long enough, I run into them. How
how is that possible? If we're talking about just a
purely an unknown physical animal. How is it they have

(01:06:56):
a population base. It's so widespread that I can run
into them in so many areas, Yet they're just purely
another undiscovered animal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I don't know how to answer that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I mean globally, not just North America, you know, all
over the world.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yeah, unfortunately I've not been able to do any research
in other countries. But yeah, it's not and it's not
which I think the Internet has changed the ballgame, and
that many researchers realize that it's throughout the globe. Now
Australia talks about it, People in Europe talk about it,

(01:07:38):
Russia talks. You know, it doesn't matter where you go,
the subject is widespread throughout the globe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I mean, not on your not on your show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
But there was recently a witness that was from Asia
that had an encounter in Tennessee and they realized, wait
a second, the myths that were I was told as
a child about the they didn't call it sasquatch in
her nation, but there was an entity that lived in
the mountains where she was from, and she realized once

(01:08:09):
she had an encounter in Tennessee that it was probably
the same thing that she had been taught taught about
when she was a child back in her country.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I interviewed a woman on my show a long time
ago that reached out to me. She is not a
big footer. She has an interest in the subject because
whenever she was on vacation with one of her friends
years ago, she saw a bigfoot as they were driving

(01:08:45):
down the road at night. I think it was after
a rainstorm, and that was in Mexico. Yep, I mean,
what is this thing doing in Mexico?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Wow, I don't know how. I just don't know, you know.
And then it gets into the question that it does.
It definitely does seem as if they're they're concentrated in
certain areas of certain no matter what state you go to.
But on the same hand, you can find them on

(01:09:19):
the edges of cities and edges of town, well in town,
in many areas. How is it possible that they're getting
inside of cities if they are just purely physical or
don't have abilities that we don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
How do they get on military basis in the middle
of the desert. I mean there's a lot of stuff,
there's a lot of rabbit holes to this. Yeah, you've
got soldiers who are guarding military installations in the middle
of nowhere. There's no trees or anything around for miles,

(01:10:00):
and all of a sudden, these bigfoot show up on
the security cameras and they're sent to like, see what's
going on? Run them off, and whenever they go out there,
there's nothing there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Well, man, I just wanted to speak more freely and
pull the band aid off. And I definitely pulled the
band aid off. I went way way further than just
talking about my encounters.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Are you You're right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
I guess I am going to have to reanalyze how
much further I want to go. But at this point
I just enjoyed doing the field work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Well, I'm glad you decided to do this. I'm glad
you decided to come on and yeah, you know, speak
freely about it and share what you found with everyone
and what your thoughts are. And that's what this is about,
you know, that's the only way we can grow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm hope. I really do hope it
helps someone. I really do hope it makes someone think.
And my biggest thing is, you know, talking to anyone
that's interested in the subject matter is you know, you
just have to just have an open mind, and you
really have to stop and look at your ego and
look at you know, how you were taught growing up.

(01:11:18):
And if you're set in your ways and you're not
willing to have an open mind or just really is
not the subject matter for you, you really you're I mean,
if you just want to go around chasing what you
consider to be another potential monkey in the woods and

(01:11:39):
you enjoy doing it, that's great, go for it. No one,
I'm not telling anyone not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
To do that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
But if you really want to dive into the subject matter,
I just suggest that you really take a step back
and try to decide whether or not you're willing to
truly have an open mind when looking at the subject.
Just like me, you have to decide how far you
really want to dig once you really start getting further

(01:12:08):
into studying the subject, Because I I'm way past just
chasing chasing them around the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I know that, but I don't know where it's going
to lead.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or
something else you can't explain, and you like to share
your story on Bigfoot Crossroads, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads
at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads
dot com. You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise,
everything you need all in one place. And until next

(01:12:44):
I remember, there's something in the woods.