Bigfoot in the Redwoods: A Wild Ride Through the West Coast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Tonight's story comes from a man who's been tracking sasquatch
for over five decades, from the misty Woods of Washington
to the hidden corners of California. But these aren't just
sightings from a researcher. Their first hand accounts of encounters
so intense they'll make you a question everything you thought
you knew about the forest. So get ready for rock throwing, sasquatch,

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shadowy figures, and some of the most mysterious events you'll
ever hear. And this is a story of mister T,
a bigfoot investigator. To stay with us, all right, Pickfoot Society,
You've got the privilege of talking to mister T today.
Mister T is a bigfoot researcher has been on the
West coast of the United States looking around in different

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areas since about nineteen seventy four, so we are looking
at roughly about fifty years of bigfoot that'll be discussed today.
So welcome to the show, mister T. How's it going.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's going great, oh man.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
We were talking a little bit before, and it's going
to be a really, really interesting one. We'll be gone
to some cool places with this one. But you know,
mister T, when I talked to an individual that has
so much, so much background as yourself, I would love
us to start real quick if you could, you know,
let us know what is it that got you into

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the bigfoot field to begin with?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, like everybody else, just watching the TV shows with
Leonard Nimay back in the day, and you know, it
just kind of seemed like something interesting. So just started
looking into it and I got, of course the Patterson

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getting when film wasn't showed a whole lot on TV
back in the seventies. So I decided to go into
the library and do some research at the Seattle Library,
and there wasn't much information. There was only like two
or three books, and so I was looking through the
books and I'm like, okay, this is interesting. And of

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course all the original guys that were researching it, you know,
there's some pretty credible guys, I mean anthropologists, and of
course it all started from the Yetti over and the Himalayas.
So I kind of just started doing research and then
I was just like the books ended. I was like,

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what is going on? Right? There'd be no more information
on this in the library. I actually went through looking
through newspapers on those flash drives. They have to be
able to look up old stories and just everything ended
about in the eighties. I was like, what is going on?
It was almost, in my opinion, like they were protecting

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it that they figured out it was the real deal,
and they were like, hey, either we shut this down
now or people are going to go and start hunting
this thing and killing it, and we have to put tected.
And most people that don't know this, Washington State has
been protecting bigfoot in this Committee of County. They have
a law that if you shoot a bigfoot, there will

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a rescue and give you, you know, a huge mind.
So I was looking into that and I was like, man,
that's I never really knew about that. But I grew
up in Washington State, in the North Seattle area, and
so I had always been wondering about these stories, and

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so I went into looking more into it and found
out that they do exist and the government protects them.
And there is a map that they also made from

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the Corps of Engineers stating that there was bigfoot, and
then they covered up that whole thing and took it
off the corp of Engineers, State of Washington, and that
was like in the seventies or eighties. I can't remember
a bit, Do you remember anything like that.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, So I've actually found that document that you're referring to.
I'll put a link to it in the show notes
for this one. But it is very it's wild when
you read it. I mean like they really get into it. So, yeah,
I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah. So that was kind of the start of it,
and then I just kind of went from there. And
then in nineteen seventy four, we decided to go over
camping in the Olympic Rainforest and we got over there.
We set up tent them camp on this river and
we typed in about an hour. And if you've never

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been to the Olympic Rainforest, I mean I always tell
the people in southern California. They're like, what this place exists?
I'm like, Yes, The moss hangs one hundred feet down
from the top of the tree, and all the logs
on the trail are covered in moss. So it's like
you're in a prehistoric world almost, and you hike in there,
you're just like blown away. It's like you've gone back

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in time, and so we set up our camp and
we fell asleep and we woke up and one of
the guys jumped out of the tent. There was like
four of us, my older brother and a couple of friends,
and he jumps out of the tent and says, baby moose.

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There's a baby moose. And so we're like, okay, what
the heck, let's get out of here. So we didn't
really have any things going on that night, but we
decided to just start hiking around. And of course we
had not heard much about Bigfoot at that point in
seventy four, So we started hiking around and then we

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hiked up this mountain towards the end of the day,
and we hiked straight up. I mean I'm talking like
by the end, we hiked for like close to an
hour and we're just pulling on roots and it became
so steep we really couldn't go any further. And then
all of a sudden, we hear this huge snort behind us,

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like whoa, and we were just like what was that?
And a branch snap and I thought, oh, that's got
to be an elk. What could be up here to
make a snort like that, but you could clearly hear it.
I mean it was like, so that was my first
you know, occurrence of something that I wasn't sure what
it was. I don't know if it was bigfoot, but

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it just seems weird that anything else up at that
level would be you know, an elk up at that
hype and to have a tree snap and a loud
snort like it was catching its breath. It was like
something was tracking us going.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Up there that there was no other Sorry was that
in an area that known for documented sightings as well?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah? Later I found out that, you know, that whole
Olympic Rainforest is you know, very a lot of stories
in there. I mean, there's stories of loggers in the
nineteen thirties that had logged areas in there, and I
don't know if you've ever heard these stories, but it

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goes back to old Washington estate loggers in the nineteen
thirties and they were having a lot of their equipment
damaged and stolen, and they were like, what is going
on here? So they put in guards, and they hired
guards and put them on the perimeter of the thing,
and it kept happening and they were putting armed bloggers

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with guns on the perimeter of these logging camps, and
a few of the guys disappeared and they sent in
people to look for them and never found them, and
that whole story has been covered up. So there's something
going on up there. And then there's other sightings of
police officers. You know. I used to go to La
Push and hike up in there. There's some great coastal areas.

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Just it's amazing. The whole place is like you're going
back in time. If you ever hike up in there,
you'll just be blown away. The Coast Highway is one
of the best in the world. I mean, they have
some of the top beaches ranked in the world, in
the top ten, and they're known to go around the

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beaches as well to get kilt and other things. So
that was a very strange thing. That Olympic Rainforest and
what happened to us later we went hiking up into
the rainforest in the eighties. We decided, you know, because
you could see the Olympic Mountains from North Seattle where

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we lived from Puja Souna. It was great sunsets and
we'd always dream about hiking up in there. So when
you're the same people that I went within seventy four.
We said, hey, let's go over there and hike up
to that top peak, which is called the Brothers and
it kind of looks like a volcano, but it's one
mountain in front of another. And so we're like, hey,

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let's go up there. We'll have this great hike and
we'll go up there and watch Fourth of July from there.
And we thought it would be these great fire which
we'd be able to see. So we went up there
and we hiked up, parked our car and we hiked
up this windy trail that went, you know, for hours.
We hiked and came to a lake that was up there,

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and we took a break there, and then we hiked
up further through the shale rock and got literally on
top of the mountain, almost to the top. You know,
it was crazy. It goes up to like eight thousand feet,
and so we set up our tent. We were looking
around and we see all theseuntain goats and we're like, man,

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those things are like the best hikers in the world.
And apparently the mountain goats were all brought over there
in the early years from Europe and they put them
there to live and migrate, so we crashed out. We

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thought we saw some UFOs that night, it was so clear.
And then earlier before we went to bed, we had
seen these mountain goats able to crawl down the steepest
shale rock that you've ever seen, and you're like, how

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can they get down here? And we look back up
and they're on their elbows and they're going slowly on
their elbows, and we're thinking, man, this is crazy. So
later that night we had heard some loud footsteps around
this tent and we thought that could we thought was
the mountain goats. We don't know for sure what it

(11:03):
was because we were too scared to even look out
of the tent, but it sounded like somebody was walking
around and it sure wasn't a goat or a hoof.
So we woke up and got out of there, and
it was scary because we didn't know what it was.
And I'm convinced they're up in that area, and definitely

(11:27):
every story you hear out of there, and they're now
talking about that area as totally Sasquatch related.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
About the brothers specifically.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, well that whole area they from what I've done
my research. I found out that they like to stay
in the higher allegations because that way nobody bothers them.
And they when they come down into the lower areas,

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if people are camping or they're curious, you know, they
want to check you out. It's almost like they're special forces.
They're flanking you. There's more than one and they're always
in threes or fours, and they maneuver and they talk
to each other and the wood Knox is part of

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their communication that I've figured out, and they're slowly moving
to check you out because they're curious. And the Indians
even spoke about this. They would also tell you if
you do research on the Northwest Indians and the ones
up in British Columbia, they all say they stay out
of a higher ground. They don't go up there. That's

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their world, and they're they teach their young the same thing.
Don't go up into the higher areas. So people that
are hiking up there and think they're going to find
some secret areas that, you know, they want to go
camp and have a great time. The North Cascades. I've
been up in there. That place is definitely no human

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is up there. They closed the North Cascades Highway during
the wintertime, and they don't let anybody in there anyways,
so I know they're up in there, and they're all
over Washington State. The most sightings with Bigfoot is in
the Washington State in northern California. So my brother also

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used to run trails near Monte Cristo and Monte Cristo
is located in northern Washington on the west side, and
he used to run these trails back in the eighties,
in the early eighties, and he would always say, hey, man,

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I feel like something to want. I'm like, what are
you talking about? He goes, it freaks me out. I
get up in there. And he used to be an
incredible shape. The guy could run these trails. There was
another trail he'd run called Wallace Falls and he and
it's like a three mile run. You're like running through
steep terrain and up a trail and back down. And
so he would do this money to Crystal Trail like

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once a week and he's like, hey, there's these creatures.
Are I feel like I'm being watched? And he says,
I think it's Bigfoot? And I said, why would you
say that? And he goes because I've talked to some
locals and this one guy told me that. He said
that the people that live up there protect it and
they don't tell people about it because they know they're

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there and they just don't bother anybody, so they leave
them alone. So that was kind of crazy. And our
brother would always tell us about that. We're like, really,
so we never So I did that trail once with him,
and I kind of felt weird, like somebody was watching me.
And then we got the heck out of it.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But I want to I need to clarify something real
quick because there's going to be listeners that are going
to have a question because there's multiple places anes this way. Uh,
this Monte Cristo Trail. Is this in Scamania County or
is it for further north in Washington?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's further north? Okay, north Snowholmosh.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Got it, Okay, so that's the one we're looking at
all right. I was thinking of there's a place by
Trout Lake that is also called Monte Cristo.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
So yeah, I'm pretty It's been so long, but I'm
pretty sure it's up past Snowholmush area.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yep, yep, I'm seeing it now. Okay, cool, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. And then you know, there was also a story
that I tell people, and it was really bizarre because
it was later on the news and they covered up
the whole thing, and you still can't find the story.
I googled around trying to find it. You cannot find it.
And it's the Piallop trailer Park story of a wild

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man that went through there, smashing up all the trailers
and then it ran out of there and they called
the cops. So I had this guy working with us
at this restaurant we used in North Seattle, and he

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was a dishwasher and we all partied together. So we
went down and stayed at his place, and he had
this trailer in this trailer park, and later that night
we had heard all this loud noise that almost sounded
like a car crash. It was crazy, and we're just like,

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what the heck is going on. It wasn't right next
to history because there was a lot of trailers in there.
They were in rows and so there was super loud,
and so we just thought nothing of it. So we
woke up and I ended up leaving because I had
to be back in North Seattle for an appointment, and

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he tells me that the cops showed up. There was
smash marks that no human could put in these trailers.
I'm talking they were like at ten feet tall, like
the height of a basketball, where it just went running

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through there, smashing both sides of the trailers, you know
how they were like connected within rows. He was running,
So they thought it was some guy on I don't know,
but back in the eighties they had this drug called PCP.
Cops would have tried to arrest these guys. They would
take on three cops, and so everybody thought it was
the guy on PCP that was some hippie because the

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hippies were still around in the early eighties. And he
went through the trailer and he was some hippie living
up in the woods, and he smashed up all these trailers,
and so that's what everybody thought it was. But lo
and behold, they called the cops. The cop came and

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apparently that night we had heard later that the cop
chased drove outside there there was a road that left
up outside of the park area trailer park, and shined
his light on this creature and it was running up
the road and then disappeared off this bank down into

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the woods, and that was on the news, and it
was on King five, I believe it was King five
news and the story of this trailer park getting smashed up.
There was fisthole marks and all of these trailers, like
you couldn't believe when they went and documented it later

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and the story has since was gone, and then it
was I've never heard of it since, but I know
that it happened because I was there. I didn't see
any of the smash marks, but because I left. But
the kid came back to work the next day and
was like, you wouldn't believe what that trailer park looked like.
It looked some of them were moved off their foundations apparently,

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you know, because they're not that big. They're like double wides,
and they were like, there's no way that a human
could have done this. So then they covered up the
whole story because you know, it was figured it wasn't
a wild man on drugs, it was the Bigfoot. So
that was a crazy story. Did you ever hear about that?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I'm trying to think right now, I don't think I've
ever heard about that. What year you said, eighties?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Right? It was early eighties? Okay, yeah, No, I had
like eighty two. And then I had some other guys
I wore with and I was just like, I hadn't
had very many encounters myself that I had seen anything
except other than you know, someone walking around their tent

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up in the you know, it was crazy up in
the mountains. So later there was these guys I worked
with and I was asking them about it. They were
younger kids, They were younger than me, I would say.
There at that time, I was in my thirties and

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I was asking these younger guys that were working with me,
and they were I said, hey, have you you know
because they told me where they lived, and one lived
up passing a homish towards Arlington, which is pretty much
out in the boonies, and have you you know, had
any sightings? And he says, funny, you said ask me

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that because we were relaxing and having a drink after work.
And he was like, you know, nobody's ever asked me that,
And so I knew he was telling me the truth.
And he says he was coming from a party where
the road I think it was Highway nine was closed
down that runs They close it during the wintertime. It's
up north of snowhomish up towards Arlington, and he was

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coming They had just opened the road. It was springtime,
and he was coming down the road by himself after
the party at like five or six in the morning,
right when the sun came up. And he says, he's
approaching this thing that looks like a bear on the
side of the road, and he slows down and he

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sees this thing and all of a sudden, it stands up.
He says, it's like eight feet tall, and it's all
covered in hair, and he's just like dumbfounded, doesn't even
know what to think. He says, as he gets with
him like thirty yards of the thing, it leaps across
the road and two he said, it leapt across the

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two lane highway in two steps and then up this
embankment that was like thirty forty feet up at about
a forty degree angle. He said, the thing jumped into
that embankment and grabbed a couple of tree bushes or
whatever and pulled himself and gone. And he says, I've

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never told anybody that story because I knew everybody would
think that was crazy. I said, do that, you know,
once he told me the whole story. I was just like,
there's no way that was a person. And then there
was another guy that I worked with and he had
had a sighting at I was asking him, you know
you ever had any things? He said, yeah, as a
matter of fact, I was when I was a kid.

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I was at Mount Rainier and we were camping out
and I went down to the stream by myself and
it was dusk, and he said he looked down the
stream and there was this creature bent over drinking water
and he didn't know what it was. He thought it
was a bear at first, and he said that it
stood up and it was like eight feet tall, that

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looked at him, and it just walked away into the bushes.
And I was like, man, that must have been scary.
So there's always these people. It's best to just ask
him and you can tell if they're longing or not.
And those are pretty credible stories for me from just
people I met along the way. But that Pielo thing,

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I mean, I've tried researching it and I still cannot
find it anybody. I've talked to a few people and
a few people had heard about that and they're like, yeah,
I remember that, so I know it happened.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
It'll be interesting to hear if anyone listening also remember
that as well. But mister ted, it sounds like did
most of your research take place in Washington State?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Then yeah, And then I in the year nineteen ninety nine,
I moved down to San Diego area and then started
doing some trips up into the you know, redwoods, and
California is an amazing state. I mean, it's just like

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three states combined, and it has everything. So as much
as people want to talk trash about it, I always say, man,
get up in there, because there's sixty thousand mile square miles.
There's sixty thousand square miles. When people say, oh, it's
all a myth, I go, dude. We were in wagons,

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literally in wagons one hundred and twenty years ago. None
of those roads were even built. When they built the
logging roads was basically in the thirties and forties and fifties.
To even get into those areas. And the ancient Indians
are not making up stories. They're telling you what they saw.

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And they told their kids not to go into those areas.
Even the higher up Indian chiefs and everyone told even
the hunters to stay in their Lane and not piss
these things off, because if you make them upset, you're
going to pay the price. So I started doing some

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research into the Big Fight a little bit more when
I was in California, and I was like, they've got
to be up in here, and back to the sixty
thousand square miles of untracked territory that never hears the
voice of man. That is from British Columbia all the

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way to northern California, Washington, Oregon, Northern California, all the
way down to San Diego. There's actually a Cleveland National
Forest that runs all the way to San Diego. And
so I'll get into some sightings that have been happening

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and have happened in San Diego. And the main one
is a story told by a psychologist that worked at
San Diego State and he lived in Alpine, which is
about forty miles from my house because I live in
East San Diego. So in the mountains it's very mountainous.

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People think, oh, San Diego doesn't have any mountain, Like,
what are you talking about. That's why I moved here.
There's mountains starting from the ocean at the beaches all
the way fifty sixty miles inland. It snows sixty miles inland.
Up in the mountains, it goes up to six thousand feet,

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And so I was told my Washingtonian friends still calling me,
only goes up to about three to thirty five hundred
square you know, above sea level, maybe four thousand. He
might get at certain higher levels in the north, up north,
and so it's very mountainous here. And there is stories

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that I've researched in San Diego, and it's the story
called the Zubies. And the reason he called them the
Zubies is because the police officer that interviewed him thoughts,
that's what he said. So the guy was very credible.

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He was a like I said, a psychiatrist, psychologist whatever
at the San Diego State University. He had a couple
of kids. He bought this property way up in the Boonies,
about thirty forty miles outside San Diego, in the mountains
near the Indian Reservation Viejas, and he claims these things

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were picking apples off his trees. So he called the cop.
The cop was a former San Diego police officer that
took the job up there as a security cop for
that area. So he was called in to check on
the whole story, and he has documented what he said.

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And there was two adults and two juveniles picking apples.
The guy freaked out, he bought a gun, never owned
a gun, and actually feared for his light. I mean,
he was just didn't know what was going on, what
are these things? And so that's has been documented. And

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then there was another story about a kid that was
playing Hide and go seek up there and wrote and
documented a story. And he was only about thirteen at
the time, and he claims he was hiding from his
friends in the same area. And it's right at the
end of the Cleveland National Forest that actually ends right
on Highway eight as he come out of San Diego.

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That Cleveland National Forest goes all the way up into
the Sequoias and Yosemite. It's the same deal, but it's narrower.
It comes all the way into San Diego. Even my
brother when he was moved here, he's like, I can't
believe there's a forest up here. It's crazy. I go, yeah,

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because San Diego is kind of like a coastal desert,
and so when you go up into these mountains, you're
kind of blown away and I've always felt things. I've
always felt the presence up there up there of Bigfoot.
And there's been stories of wood knocks and other things
up there as well, which we'll get into in a minute.

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But anyway, the story with the psychiatrist and the Zubies
and the kid was playing hide and go seek. He
claims that this bigfoot, right at dusk came and literally
faced him where he was hiding and screamed so loud

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that it shook the kid to pieces. And the kid
was in shock for like two days because this thing
screamed at him. And he documented that, and most people
have never heard that story, but that is another great one.
And so I started like hiking around up there, and
I ride motorcycles up there, and I also have a

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sports car that i would drive up there with the
top down, and I'd always like to get up in there,
and I'd always feel some type of presence and I'm like, yeah,
there are up here for sure. And then there's also
been some stories of people that have camped up in
that area, which is Mount Laguna, and then Mount Laguna
goes up to Julian and there's many sightings in Julian.

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There's actually a story of an area that you have
to hike to about forty five minutes and there's a
big footprint that is in the rock. So look that
up because that's true. And it's been documented that there
is a footprint that is more than a thousand years

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old and it's into the bedrock. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
and that's intense. And believe me, I've I've been to
a lot of plays I've got hiked up to that
spot thinking about it. But it's always the way. It's
like an hour outside of Julian up in the mount
and there's been reports of the creature through people that

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lived up there that have been covered up and they
don't talk about much. And people think, oh, maybe it's
gone out of here, because but no, there's families that
live on and they most of them, in my opinion,
have migrated out of certain areas to more denser population

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to feel safer because as population moves in, they kind
of moved out. And Mike, I told you before, we
were in Wagans one hundred and twenty years ago and
nobody went in there unless they went in by a wagon,
and even going into the sequoias where the giant trees

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are those trees are only in that area. They're nowhere
else in the world. And the Age of Christ, they're
two thousand years old. They're you know, forty fifty feet
in circumference, three hundred feet high. I mean, you go
in there and you're like in a whole other world.
So anybody that hasn't been up there, I know they're

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up in there too, but they don't hang around where
tourists are. They're pretty much trying to move out. Like
I said, some of their migrating families have stayed in
certain areas because that's where they feel comfortable. And then
there's certain parts of these eastern mountains of San Diego
there's a lot of pockets where nobody ever goes. And

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if you go up to Mount Laguna, there's plenty of
room up there. Now I'm going to get to a
story about if you go past Julian, So it's Mount
Laguna up into Julian. It's the greatest motorcycle rid on
the planet, and it runs one hundred and seventy five
miles NonStop, no light, I mean, no stop, size of nothing,

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and you just go from mountain to mountains. So it's
Mount Laguna Julian and then you go through Santa Isabel
and then there's a back road on Santa Isabel that
runs It's called h Massa Grande something like that, and

(34:09):
it runs through these farms and it's like literally eight
miles until you come around to this biker bar and
it's called the Hideout, and then there's Lake Henshaw. Now,
every time I've gone through this secret road that kind
of some guy turned me onto it years ago motorcycle riding.
I met him at the gas station. He's like, yeah,

(34:31):
there's this like back road. It's like you're driving through Ireland.
I'm like, yeah, I got to check that out. So
I every time I've gone through there, I get this
weird presence that there's some something there, like a bigfoot,
and I'm like, this is a perfect area for them
to hang out. And so when I went up in there,

(34:51):
I'd had that feeling several times. There's a wild turkey's
up in there, there's deer, there's a ca always running around.
It's crazy. And then you come out and you're down
at the bottom. It's all wandy. It goes down this hill,
steep grade, landy road all the way down to the
lake and then there's that biker bar in Lake Kenshaw. Well,

(35:13):
there's this guy that you have to check out, and
he's on YouTube and his story is of the bigfoot
that come around his property. He doesn't live there, but
his dad owned it and they had a trailer on there,
I think, and that he had been going there since

(35:36):
he's a kid. But he still goes up there and
parties with his friends. And he's on this.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Show that I'm looking up here, and he.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Has a property. It's called Mysteries and Monsters at the Border,
So look that up on YouTube. It's called Mysteries and
Monsters at the Border. This guy is in the same
area where i'ven't done the motorcycle ride at least one
hundred times over the last twenty years. I'm telling you,

(36:12):
I had a feeling or something in there. So I'm
watching this and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to google
around and see about bigfoots in San Diego, which seems
kind of unlikely, but there was all these stories and
here this guy has a story on that show Mysteries
and Monsters at the Border, and it has several different

(36:36):
stories on there about the border patrol that seeing them
and ones that are in the desert because they're obviously migrating.
Why are they in the desert because they're migrating back
and forth. They're not sitting in the same place. They're
moving following the food. So Lake Henshaw, near that biker
bar is where they apparently have had a lot of sightings.

(37:03):
And this guy has a video of the creature. It's
kind of dark, but it's sure as heck looks like
one like you know ones I've seen on other videos.
And it comes up on his property and there's two
or three of them, and he tells the whole story
how they're like around his campfire and he spends the

(37:25):
night there in a sleeping bag and they're like right
above him. I mean, that's creepy, and how his buddy
took a video and you can clearly see the creature
in the video. So you got to watch it. It's awesome.
And I was just blown away because I'm like, that's
exactly where I had that feeling. And I don't know
exactly where his property is otherwise I do knock on

(37:45):
his door and say, hey, let me search themself, but
it's kind of a hidden property. And he says they
mimic cows and owls, which they're very known for. And
so even in his video, he goes, listen, dude, that's
not a cow. There's somebody making that noise. And when
they come at night, when he goes up there with
his friends, because he's not there all the time, they
go up they have a camp ring and a bunch

(38:07):
of chairs and it's like a little party zone for him.
And I'm telling you it's it's credible. There's something up there.
And that whole lake Henshaw has. In the middle of
the lake, there's an area called Monkey Island, and he
was making fun of that that you know, monkey Island
it must have been because of the but because of

(38:29):
the bigfoot monkey. But in reality they named possibly named
that because there were some monks that went up into
that area back in the later early nineteen hundreds eight.
I don't know when, when they had all the all
the missions they were building up and down the west
coast with the friars. Okay, so then I'm thinking about

(38:53):
so then I'm like researching about that, and I'm thinking, well,
this palamar I've camped there, and there's been some weird
currencies up there. There's been some sightings and stories of
people that have camped and heard somebody running through their
campground loud thuds. And then I found out, so this
is where if you go past. So once you get

(39:17):
to Lake Henshaw, there's the east grade that runs up
Palomar and that goes up to six thousand feet as well.
Mount Laguna is at six thousand, and then you come
to Julian and then you go down to Lake Hanshot
up the other mountain is six thousand at the top
of that. So in that area there's a protected area

(39:38):
where the telescope is. Okay, and the telescope used to
be the largest one in the whole world. It took
them decades to even get the glass right. It's two
hundred square inch diameter, beveled and polished, and that was
the furthest they could see into stars back in the day.

(40:02):
So that's called the Palm Observatory. And then I found
out there's this huge area behind the observatory that's all protected.
Nobody can go in there. Why because I think they
know that Bigfoot lives there and they protected it, and
I think it's all a huge cover up by the government.

(40:25):
They do not want people to know about this because
number one, we won't be able to handle it that
it is part of humanity. You know, whenever they find
the hairs, there's always comes back to human DNA. So
it's a cross there's it's a crossbreed of some sort
and they just don't want to let it out. And

(40:46):
I'll get into that later. Why it is because of
religion mostly, Okay, you want salvation, we're not talking about bigfoot.
Can't bring it up with this. You know, they don't
want that in there, so we'll get into that later.
But anyway, this whole area behind Palomar Observatory is protected.

(41:07):
Looking up yourself, it is a huge swath of land
and nobody can go in there. You cannot hike in there.
If you do, they will arrescue. And I can guarantee
you the creature is in there and had come down
into Lake henshot and that guy's property. Watch that video.
It'll blow your mind. What is going on up there,

(41:31):
so pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Just real quick, I want to comment on the video
that you've been talking about. I believe you're talking about
Eli Watson's documentary series on YouTube where he talks about
Bigfoot in Southern California.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, it's really good. So I'm going to have that links.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Uh So, yeah, that guy, that guy has been doing
a lot of research. You know, he's a young kid,
but he's good. I mean like literally going around collecting
these stories and interviewing people, you know, Like I never
got around to that, but I mean I've done enough
research for fifty years now I'm one hundred percent convinced

(42:13):
it exists. Okay, and we'll get into what it is
and at the end here, but now we'll just go
into Big Surf, where I have been going up to
the motorcycle races at with Uniseeka and it's awesome. It's
never been there. Go check that out. It's phenomenal, these
kids flying around the racetrack at one hundred and fifty

(42:35):
two hundred miles an hour. And so we camp out
up there, usually stay at a motel, and then we
ride motorcycles back down the Highway one, which is the
best motorcycle ride or sightseeing road probably in the world.
It's goes for sixty miles. There's nobody there, and it's

(42:57):
just like unbelieved. Big Sir is a small town after
Big Sir. There's nothing so we drag into Big Sir.
We're in a motor home the first time that we
have this rock throwing incident. We're in a motor home,
me and my brother and it's twenty eight feet Class

(43:19):
C motor home. We're just like having a great time.
We head down out in Monterey at about six o'clock.
Seven o'clock starts to get dusky, and we come past
Big Sir, and it's getting around sunset, so we keep going.

(43:41):
We're about twenty miles past Big Sir, and it starts
getting up and down. It's like three hundred foot cliffs,
windy roads. It's a hairy setup for RV. So I'm like, hey, dude,
we need to pull over. This is sketchy at best.
I don't feel comfortable coming around these corners on three

(44:01):
hundred foot cliffs with no guardrails. So we pull over
on this huge shoulder right before a big drop off
that's going down and there's a sign that says steep grade,
big yellow sign. So we stop in front of that
about twenty feet. It's a pretty wide shoulder. So I'm like, perfect,
we'll just hang out here spend the night. A cop

(44:23):
comes by, we'll just tell them we're having battery problems.
We're not going anywhere. So we set up, I put
some chairs out. I'm looking at the most amazing sunset
from three hundred feet up on this cliff and we're
in the middle of nowhere. There's no anything around there,
and so I'm listening to some music, crack a beer,

(44:45):
and enjoying the sunset. Well, my brother goes over to
take a leak next to the sign that's twenty feet
in front of the motor home. Keep in mind sign
is facing in front of us, you know, a big
triangle sign that says step grating. So all of a sudden,

(45:08):
this rock the size of a softball hits that sign.
I'm like, what is that? My brother's like what the book?
And so he just like freaks out and heads back
to the motorhome. And then he won't even look at me.
He's like, goes in and closes the door. I'm like what.

(45:28):
So I thought nothing of it, and I was just like,
you know, what was that did that? I didn't think
bigfoot at the time. I just thought maybe he bounced
off the hill or But then I was looking around
and I was like, that'd be pretty impossible. That it's
not a super Bowl. I could have bounce off that
freaking road. It's impossible. I mean that sign is like

(45:49):
ten feet tall or eight feet at least. And so
I'm like what. So I tried to go in and
talk to him, and the door's locked. I'm like, dude,
open that was going on? This is insane. And he
finally opens the door after I'm banging on it. He's like, somebody,
you know, I don't know that. I felt like someone

(46:10):
was watching me out there. I'm like, what are you
talking about it? Relax, have a beer, and so we relaxed,
and I didn't really think anything of it. You know,
it had been a while since I'd done a whole
lot of bigfoot research, and I was just like, didn't
even think of it. And so we crashed out, woke up,

(46:30):
and drove down out of there the next morning and
I get down to the lower area where there there's
like a mini state park every five miles. It's awesome.
So we just pulled in there, made some food, and
then I started thinking about it. I'm like, dude, we
just had a bigfoot. He's like, where would where would

(46:52):
somebody throw a rock at us? It could have been
some hippie in the woods. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
this doesn't make any sense. So when I got home,
I started doing some research and started researching that exact area,
and sure enough, there was all kinds of going on
up there. And these girls in the seventies had seen
this guy running down that cliff. If you look at
it when you're there, it's literally forty to fifty degree angle.

(47:14):
I'm an expert skier. Those are called jump turns coming
down stuff like that. You're not skiing it, you're jump
turning because it's forty to fifty degrees. And it's like
she said, these two girls were on the beach looking
up there's some man running down the cliff. But they're
like thinking to themselves, you know, fifteen year old girls
are saying there's no way a human could run down that.

(47:36):
They even knew that. So that was one site. And
then there was another sighting of somebody that saw them
taking kelp out of the water and it was a
hairy creature. And then the other one, which is totally crazy,
is this lady is from It's on another one of
the podcasts, but she is from England and she's in

(47:58):
Monterey doing pictures of creatures on the coast of Monterey. Well,
you go just past Monterey where there's a little town,
and it's literally like you're in no middle of nowhere,
and it's like you were back in time. When you
get on these coasts of Monterey, for like twenty thirty miles,

(48:23):
there's nothing. It's just rustic and amazing. So she drove
out of there and went down about fifteen miles and
decided to go to the coast to take some pictures
of sea lions or whatever she could find. And she's
sitting on this rock with her camera and all of
a sudden, out of the corner of her eyes, she
sees these creatures crawling on all fours and I'm sure

(48:47):
you've heard a bigfoot that can like go down on
all fours and literally move like a spider. It's crazy.
And so she sees these four or five creatures. She's
like in all like what the And so she they're
they're they're going to the ocean and they're getting kelp

(49:07):
and whatever. And then she drops the camera or something
because she's so freaked out, and they hear her, and
the and the male jumps up and screams at her.
She freaks out, and then they start coming towards her,
and the alpha male that is massive. They're on two

(49:28):
legs now coming at her. It's peeing at her, trying
to scare her and get her out of there or something.
And she passes out and they end up finding her
next to her car. I guess somebody went out and

(49:50):
looked for her or something and then her when she
got back into Monterey, she was so freaked out. They
told the whole story, and somebody showed up, like the
men in black, Like there's these government officials that show
up and told her that what she saw was a

(50:13):
bear and that to keep it quiet, and she went
back to England with her head between the lands. Did
you ever hear that story?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that a minute. How so,
how far away from the area with the rock was?
Was that a more or less right across?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So there's a two lane road that runs the whole
way for sixty miles, and there's a massive forest that
is military or government controlled that is like literally like
forty miles inland and like fifty miles long. I forget
the name of the forest next to as you come

(50:51):
out of that highway one's called the Coast Highway. So
the rock came from across the street to the two
lane road. It came out of the bushes, but it
was a steep grade, forty degree steep grade, and the

(51:16):
rock came out of there. It was the size of
a softball. It wasn't a pebble. It was perfectly aimed.
And after I thought about it and hearing stories how
they can throw these rocks so well, it kind of
blew my mind. And then it creaked me out that
it was that close. Now, we didn't have any other occurrences.

(51:40):
Later that night, I did hear something sounded like it
hit the RV, but I just didn't think anything of it. Wow,
So I think that we were quiet enough. And in
my opinion, I think they leave you alone once you
get out of there. Like a lot of people in
tents and stuff, you know, they they don't rip your
t a part. I mean, I'm sure they have on occasions,

(52:02):
but the majority of the time people say they're just
like very curious and if you are bothering them, you're screwed,
in my opinion, And that's why a lot of these
hunters disappear because they're in there to hunt their food source.
And you've heard the story about telepathy. I mean, they
know what these guys are. They know what you're up.

(52:24):
You're a perfect in there, you know, hunting and looking
to do damage and take out their food source. You're
going to be their food source. And that's my opinion
on that. Bultame and the people that are spiritual and kind,
they're cool with you. They'll let you slide. Like I
have a brother that goes still lives up there, and
him and his friend go up to Index River or

(52:48):
Mountain Indexes east of Seattle. It's some crazy country up
and there, and they've been camping up in there for
like twenty years and they cook burgers and shoot off
some fireworks, plant their American flag and got My brother
still dives off the rock at fifty plus years old,
you know, thirty foot dive. And they sent me a

(53:11):
picture of the bonfire, and I could swear that I
could see a bigfoot poking out of the woods. I've
been trying to get it developed because it's kind of
blurry because it's far enough away, but you can clearly
see a head sticking out of the trees at about
eight feet and then you can clearly see the shadow
of the body, and everybody thinks I'm freaking crazy. I'm like, no,
he's probably I go, dude, he's up there watching you guys.

(53:32):
They probably like you guys. You guys are fun diving around.
They've probably never seen fireworks. They're like, these guys are cool.
So that's all I can tell about that whole deal
because I told him man, because he went up there
camping by himself one time, and I'm like, dude, that's
not a good idea. You can just you can get
disappear real fast, you know, because we can get into

(53:56):
this later. But in my opinion, there's good ones and
evil ones, just like cant and deans. Right like people,
there's people that just murder people for no reason because
they're crazy, and that maybe there's that side of a
Bigfoot that has the ones that just don't like people.
I mean, they're crazy and I don't know. I mean,
Indians talked about it. They talked about ones that were

(54:19):
up The most aggressive ones are up in Tahoe. I've
been up into Tahoe and the and the above Tahoe
up in those areas North of Tahoe and those deep woods.
There's some bad ones in there, apparently that the Indians
even talked about that took their children.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Oh well, that's that's crazy. That is something I haven't
heard of. I'm sure everyone has put a comment about
it already. But the episode you're referring to is Sasquatch
Chronicles five one five, And I know that because it's
like the most famous, Like everyone knows it's a really
good one.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
This other one about on his podcast about the guy
in organ that is digging his house and the creatures
show up and are banging on his trailer and he's
like an ex military and the guy comes out and
shines his light on him, and they're across from where

(55:18):
he dig his ten foot hole for him to put
his house in the woods, and the little one is
down inside the well and they scream at him and
the guy freezes, and then he says there's ones off
to his left flanking him that are like twelve feet tall.
I'm like, what do you ever? Did you ever listen
to that one?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
So, I'll be honest, probably my favorite one. I will
be honest that I don't have a lot of time
to consume content, honestly, but there I listened to that one.
I listened to confessionals sometimes, like if I'm around road trips.
So I haven't listened to him all, but I do
know a few of them, like the five one to

(56:02):
five California one. Definitely know that one.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yeah, there's lots of stuff going on in the woods
east of here, which is really strange. And then I
recently went up last year to my friend's property in
Marble Mountain, Washington. And that's so my sister lives. Yeah,

(56:27):
so they have a festival up there every year. I'm like, yeah,
he's up here for sure, So he didn't really know
much about it. I'm like, dude, they're on your property.
So we're walking around his property. I went there because
my sister lives up on the border there in Ferndale,
and I was telling her, man, you got this, looks

(56:48):
like there might be someatchen up here back in the day.
You know, they may have been there in the eighties
and maybe moved on, but they might have come inland
and then they back out. So my sister I'm at
her house and the guy's working on their garage and
he had lived there since the eighties. And I'm like,
just casual. After he was done pounding some nails, I'm like, hey,

(57:09):
have you ever had any big foot sightings? Bubbla? You know,
if you're not asking, you're not getting. You got to ask, ask, ask,
Like my favorite book I used to read, Magic of
Getting What You Want. You asking, you shall receive. If
you're not asking, you're not getting any answers. So I
always keep asking the questions. And You're going to meet

(57:32):
these people that just never told meybody because nobody ever
asked them. So I asked the guy, I said, you
ever had any sightings around here? He says, funny you ask,
and I said, yeah, Well what happened? He goes there
was something in the tree and right behind my sister's house.

(57:54):
And I had walked around there and said, dude, there's
some weirds around here. There's a hole in your fence.
I don't know who put that whole your fence, but
it's wire and it doesn't seem like anybody can break
the hole down below. And so she was kind of
like you think, and I'm like, uh, I don't know.
I'm just talk to your neighbor. And he told me
that there was something in the tree that screamed at

(58:16):
him and scared him so bad that he went in
the house and never came out. So the morning, that's
all he told me. And So I had done a
bunch of research around that area, and Mount Baker is loaded,
and there's a lot of stories up in Baker and
of guys that lived on farms that chased them off

(58:37):
their farms. There's my buddy, so I we hadn't seen
each other for like ten years, and we went to
grade school together. So I was like, he's like, yeah,
you got to come out and check out my place.
He's got this house six acres and so I started
walking around his property spend the night, and I see

(58:59):
this tree. I'm like, you know, all the birch like
or like twelve inches round, the white ones that are
all next to each Other's like fifty of them in
this area, and one is snapped at about ten feet
and it's pointing this way. I go, dude, that's a marker.
Why would there just be one? And it was clearly snapped,

(59:22):
It was not chopped, you know, nobody cut it. He's like, oh,
I never noticed that. And then I go and your
fence post right next to the chicken coop. You know
those green fence posts that you pounded to the ground
that are pretty sturdy. They're about five feet tall, ye,
five six feet, and then you put your wire fence

(59:43):
around it. So he covered his whole property and put
it around the whole thing because he's got bears and
coyotes and mountain lions around there. So I'm like, I'm
looking at this one fence post by the chicken coop
and it's six inches from the top. The whole thing
is bent over. No human could bend that. It's impossible.

(01:00:03):
I don't know if a bear could. I mean, it's possible,
but if they put both paws on it and leaned
on it. But it looked like the hand of a
big foot. So I thought that was really unusual. And
I'm like, have you had any sightings around him? He
goes nothing. I know, if I go, well, you get
your cords a wood from this guy down down the
trail here, I go go talk to him, ask him,

(01:00:29):
And sure enough he asked him. He says, hey, have
you had any big foot sightings? And the guy says yeah,
as a matter of fact, they're up high. And I
because there's like steep terrain on both sides of his house.
I go, dude, they're up there. They're not coming down
until they want to come down and check on you
in it's usually at night, and they're they're very tactical.

(01:00:52):
They're like special forces, you know. People call them the
ninja Ninjas of the woods. It's what they do. They're
good at it, and they've been doing it for thousands
of years. For all we know, they've trained each other,
so they're young on down. They train them young. And
so he asked that guy that gives them wood and

(01:01:12):
the guy said he hasn't, but his friends that hunt
have seen them. And then I did some other research
up there on stories and other people that have clearly
seen them in the woods. So I was like, hey, dude,
put some apples up around your property. They love apples
and see what happens. So I'm going to make another
trick up there later this year summer because I know

(01:01:36):
there's something going on up there. And then there was
a sighting of a skinny female that he had seen,
so I've been kind of keeeking up on him. I'm like, hey,
have you seen anything? You know? We talk like every week,
we text and I'm like, have you seen anything? And
he goes, dude. I was driving around and on the

(01:01:58):
bottom of the bridge of the rivers there was this hairy,
skinny creature. It looked like a bigfoot. I go, it's
probably a female. They're skinnier, and he goes, man, it
wasn't a person. I go, are you sure? He goes yep,
So how crazy is that? Just by keeping him focused

(01:02:19):
on what to look for, and then I started sending
them pictures of all these tree breaks and structures that
they make, and I go, those those structures are for
the other families because they are obviously in groups of
four to five and they know that this is their area.
There's some type of communication in those structures that are

(01:02:41):
telling other plans. So we'll just call them clans because
pretty much that's what they are, and they're telling them
that this is our area or letting them know that
stay out. So he I send him all these pictures
because he doesn't know much about it. I'm kind of

(01:03:03):
educating him at this point, and I'm like, here's a
bunch of pictures. So I send them like ten twelve pictures,
and then he starts sending me back pictures that he
had done hikes four to five miles from his house
outside of his six acre property that's in the middle
of nowhere, sending me these pictures of these scriptures. I'm like,

(01:03:24):
what I told you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
So I'm like, oh wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Careful up there. Yeah, And I just said, dude, they're
not going to harm you unless you come in there
with your gun. He's got his dogs. I go, wait,
if your dogs start whimpering, get out of there, because
the dogs know they're not going near that thing. How
many times have you heard of dogs that you start
whimpering and they've been chasing things their whole life. They're

(01:03:50):
hunting dogs, and they just like cower and take off
the other way. It's time to leave at that point.
And so he is very curious now. But I just
tell them to be careful because you don't know if
you could run into a bad one, because people just

(01:04:11):
can disappear. And I'm telling people, if you're going out
hunting them and squatching and thinking you're gonna find one,
you might just disappear. So you better watch it. Be
careful because they know if you're up to no good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah, you can't trick them, do not never ever try
to trick That is like number one, dude, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Yeah, so it's like now, So there was also this
woman that I had done this research on that I
was googling around and I was like, how could there
not be any bigfoot cut? I know there has I
know the government covers it up. Everybody says, well, you

(01:04:54):
got no video, you got this, all the videos are graining.
Well what if they were making the videos graining the
second they come on YouTube? Do you ever think of that? Dummy?
They're not stupid. They don't want this thing to come
out of the bag. Just like UFOs, they keep it
covered up because it doesn't fit the narrative. And I'm
telling you. There was a woman that I discovered that
had documents from a deceased colleague because they were medical

(01:05:18):
people and he wrote several documents. So she found the
papers and I had found this on the internet, so
I was reading about it. I was like blown away.
I was like the recovery of specimens. One was hit
by lightning in Texas. This guy had gone down and
done the whole anatomy on the thing, and it found
out that the it had been killed by lightning. And

(01:05:43):
they covered it up and obviously did in the autopsy
and the rest is history. The other one was held
in captivity in the Northwest, most likely Fort Lewis, because
there's a lot of stories out of Fort Lewis, and
I have met people that you know, we're in the
military at Fort Lewis, and there's stories of them being

(01:06:03):
underground in hidden areas. And we'll get into the cave
systems that run up and down North America all the
way through California. It's called the Bigfoot Highway. They're down
in there. They know where every hidden cave is. Most
of these disappearances around the country are around these cave systems.
You can pull it up on Google yourself and just

(01:06:25):
pull up cave systems of Bigfoot cave systems, and we'll
give you a whole map of the whole United States.
They're all over the East Coast, and they're all over
the West coast and Texas, and that's where these people
are disappearing. That's where they're going, and you're never going
to find them in a Bigfoot dies that's where they're
going to die. And again, even if they did die,

(01:06:49):
they're going to get munched up by everything in the
forest and the last thing that eats their bones is
the porcupine. Right, We've all heard that, so that makes sense.
And Lloyd Hi, if you watch his stuff, they've covered
up a lot of his stuff. The guy mysteriously died
talking about this stuff and he's gone. So he was

(01:07:10):
had a lot of information on bigfoot, UFOs whatever. So
the one that was in the Northwest, they actually caught
it in this guy's documentary that he put together, and
it possibly was Fort Lewis. The creature was able to

(01:07:34):
commit mentally because it didn't like being held in a cage.
That was what the guy wrote in his documentation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
You ever hear that this is No? Is this a
document you found online? Then I've never heard it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yes, I can't find it anymore anymore. I've looked for it. Yeah.
The woman that found the documents was over on the
East Coast. The guy was an anthropologist high up. The
government had chosen him to do the the documentation of

(01:08:12):
the specimens and he wrote his findings in that paper
and she just happened to find it when he passed away.
It was in one of his boxes, and I thought
it was really interesting. The one in captivity that was
able to mentally eliminate itself. So that's why I think

(01:08:36):
they don't want to put them in. I mean, what
are you going to do anyway, You're going to put
the thing in a zoo like a gorilla. I mean,
the gorilla is kind of about break the window if
they wanted to do. But they're the gorillas, are they?
If you ever go see him, like in the San
Diego Zoo or others, they they really just have this
docile attitude. They don't really aren't intelligent enough to figure

(01:08:57):
out how to get out of there, right whereas Bigfoot,
they know, is intelligent enough to be able to be
pissed off and escape or do damage able. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah,
So it's not an option. It's not an option. And
you know, bringing up the fact that they would ever

(01:09:17):
disclose this thing, They'll keep it hidden as long as
they can because I have done some other research and
the camping industry take a guess, what do you think
it is money wise? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I mean it's got to be a massive proud billions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, exactly, thirty billion dollars thirty billion. I own RVs.
Do you ever drive down the freeway or just go
into neighborhoods, and there's these lots where people are storing
all their RVs. They're everywhere, and they never even use them.
Half the time. They use them like one week out
of the year. It's crazy. And not to mention that

(01:09:58):
all of the parks, the national parks are owned by
guess who, the National Forest Service, which is owned by
the government. They don't want to bring up Bigfoot because
then nobody old little camp and who I mean, I'm
personally I'm not jumping in a tent it's our v
or forget it, you gotta break down my door. I'm

(01:10:19):
not sleeping in no tent. These guys that are intents
are crazy in the middle of nowhere. Enjoy You're basically
a meal ticket at that point if they're hungry. I'm
not saying they're gonna eat you. But I'm just saying
there's good ones and bad ones, and there may be
a small percentage that are like there's a small percentage

(01:10:39):
of humans that just like to kill people for no reason.
And I'm just telling you there's all kinds of different ones.
There's not just one species where they go, oh it
didn't look like Patty. How many different humans do you
think there is? These people are idiots? How many humans?
There's age and there's Indian, there's white, there's black. We
all look different. There's probably, I don't know, twenty thirty

(01:11:01):
different species. There's at least twenty different species of bigfoot,
because because the ones down south in Florida, they look
like orangutans on all the reports. And funny thing is
I found a map of the Everglades and they had

(01:11:22):
the skuncape on there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yep, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
It's on their map.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yep, yep. It's why you're there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Trying to cover it up. And the whole thing is, yeah,
the cover up is a joke. And all these people
that are deniers, I'm just like, dude, the government can
do whatever they want. You go shoot one. They're going
to be there in ten minutes. They're going to be
there and they're going to cover it up and they're
going to threaten to put you in prison because you
just killed a partial human and you did it on

(01:11:53):
US Force Service land. That's why the majority of the
sightings are always on US Forest Service land. And if
you do anything outside of the box, you're done, you're
going away, you will disappear, you will go to prison,
and they will keep it at all costs to cover
this thing up. Is because number one, it is camping industry,

(01:12:17):
massive for service. They shut down the Northwest over a
spot at Owl. What do you think they're going to
do when they say there's twenty different specimens of bigfoot
and they live in family groups and now you're not
cutting anything down in this area. That is huge and
people that say it's not are full of bs. And

(01:12:40):
I'm telling you I know for a fact. And number
three is the most powerful business on planet Earth. Do
you know what that is? Religion? And as soon as
they start saying that there is something other than a
human form that is part human, because they've done the research,
you want facts simple. The guy that did the dermal

(01:13:02):
ridges is the number one demo ridge expert in the
world in Texas. The guy after doing his research of
the handprints, the footprints, he says, it's impossible to do
a fake dermal ridge what I have witnessed and in
his view it is one hundred percent these creatures are real.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Jimmy chillcut.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, that way, there is direct evidence of fingerprints are
they're all different. They're all different, right right, No fingerprints
the same. And that's why there's many different species of
these creatures. There's not just like oh blackie, one's black
and one's brown. There's auburn colored ones. There's ones that

(01:13:51):
have different facial features. Because there's ones that you know,
or didn't turn out so good, you know, like we
got deformed people, they're gonna have deformed creatures. Like the
foot that's bent. You know. They can't figure that one out.
Why does it have a bent toe? So the natives,

(01:14:12):
the Native Indians have all talked about this. There's claims
of ten foot twelve foot you know, you know what
a twelve foot bigfoot looks like. I just tell you,
look up at your basketball hoop because the top of
the backboard is twelve feet and the width of your
doorway is four feet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
That's how why they are Yeah, that's crazy. I mean,
it's it's so tall. Yeah, it's it blow you away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
And that's why people are speechless when they see it.
They're like, I thought it was eight feet. No, no,
it's ten feet. And if you you know, my brother
has done some research and gigantic pickeothys and there's only
one gigantic picothy down here. They know it existed. They
don't have a lot of skull recovery, but there is

(01:15:07):
one in the San Diego History Museum that they put
together and it's nine feet tall and it's awesome, and
you can look it up on the website for Gigantapicotus.
And the first pictures they show is the win of
the model they built in the San Diego Museum. So
that is interesting and it's possible that they're from that,

(01:15:31):
but I think they're more of a crossbreed. And I've
always said this from the beginning that they don't want
to be around humans. Humans all we do is do
what fight wars, kill one another. There's massive disease. They
have probably been hiding in the woods watching us kill
each other from the beginning of time, on continents all

(01:15:52):
over the world, because we know they're in every continent.
If you listen to Lloyd Pie, he's like they're all
over there, every continent. They're all different. The ones in
the Himalayas are Yetti's. The ones in North America possibly
crossed the land bridge, and they're that creature and they're fast.
I mean they can run forty miles an hour, right,

(01:16:13):
You think a human is about twenty miles an hour.
These things are moving at forty miles an hour and
they're fast. That's why the cover up, my friend, is
it just it doesn't fit the Darwinian theories.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
And it's some wild stuff. It really is. It's some
extremely wild stuff. Do you have any thoughts about if
or in your research did you find where people were
having interactions with Bigfoot but then dealing with other things
as well, like strange things in their house or maybe

(01:16:55):
like alien type in counters.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah. Yeah, So I've kind of down over a thousand
times in my head, and I'm almost possibly through the Bible,
and I was raised Christian Catholic. I'm not a practicing
Catholic anymore, but I do believe in there's evil spirits

(01:17:19):
and the fact that there's the bad smell and the
sulfur smell, especially it says in the Bible if there's sulfur,
it's Satan, and that UFOs have that same admitted that
the UFOs are kind of interconnected, and if they are,

(01:17:39):
then they're possibly demonic forces. It is possible, so you
have to look at that side as well. And Oh,
I still wanted to get into the Mount Saint Helens
cover up because there was when the Mountain Blue there

(01:18:01):
was the Army Corps of Engineers went in there and
they recovered a lot of bodies and there was several
The story I read that was the most believable, as
these two guys were from north of Seattle and they

(01:18:23):
were told to go in there and help out with
the removal of all these dead bigfoot. And there was
two massive tents when they showed up, and they could
see them bringing in bigfoot to be worked on that
had been burnt or injured, and there was stacks of

(01:18:45):
tens of twenty bodies that had all been killed, and
they disposed of them, and the whole thing was covered up,
and they were carrying them out of there with massive
helicopters and the ones that were worked on or fixed
up and sent back into the wild. Did you ever

(01:19:05):
hear about that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Yeah, this is a thing, probably the most emailed topic
that I get for this show, and people are always
emailing and asking about it. And it's a really interesting
topic because I've yet to talk to I know that
potentially there's a person out there still if this is
a real occurrence, that could be a first, first person

(01:19:29):
witness that could talk about it. But a lot of people,
you know, they've read stuff, they've watched stuff about it.
But to get a person to come forward and to
be like, yeah, I was there or I talked to
a guy about it, that's pretty it's pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I well, the government's got covering the stuff out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, but you know, there could be a possibility that
they are demons. I don't, you know, no for sure,
but I know that extraterrestrials, especially you see the grays
and they all look the same. I don't think they're
actual flash. I think they're AI. They all look like

(01:20:13):
they're cookie cutter off the press and yep and that.
If you know, people say, well bigfoot mainly and they're connected.
When I when I see a you know, why would
they want Oh, they they dropped a bigfoot off when
they landed. I'm like, dude, they're not having that stinky
thing and they're freaking craft. It's impossible. Whether they helped

(01:20:35):
create it. I don't know whether they helped create us.
I'm not so I don't know, but I'm convinced that,
you know, there's a possibility that they are demonic, and
possibly it creats the demon a demon. I mean, it's
it's very possible. People have said they've asked it to

(01:20:58):
leave their camp and the Body and Blood of Christ.
There's one way to get rid of extraterrestrials and aliens
is Body and Blood of Christ bed announce you from
this house. And the Father and the Son and the
Holy Spirit, and whatever it was was gone. And that
people have claimed that they've gotten Bigfoot out of their
camp that way, and they've also claimed they got them

(01:21:20):
up their property. I can honestly say I got rid
of I thought I was being abducted in the Big Island, Hawaii.
It was very scary, and I could see the UFO
whatever it was, right there in the corner of the bedroom,
and I jumped out of bed, and Body and Blood

(01:21:42):
of Christ denounced it out of here. It closed up
and was gone. And then I was in the front
room shaking for an hour. And then I remember what
my mom said. She said, you know, love is the
most powerful thing on earth. And so I went into
the other bedroom where my wife and kid had been
sleeping because it was a spread out condo and I

(01:22:03):
was in a separate room. I went in and laid
next to my son and hugged him, and all of
a sudden, this warm feeling came over me, and I
fell asleep and woke up like nothing had happened. But
it was the most terrific experience I've ever had. And
I don't know if that is part of you know,

(01:22:24):
the that's a terrestrial agenda, And I'm not sure with Bigfoot,
but I know that they're flesh and blood and they're
out there. And I tell people be careful what you
wish for, because if you're hunting to go see them
and just want to get a picture or prove something,

(01:22:46):
you're not proving anything. You're going to end up gone.
Because there's thousand people that are gone and they have
no trace of them. They don't know where they are,
and they just disappeared. So that's pretty scary. In my book,
I just tell people be careful. They just want to

(01:23:06):
be left alone. If they're out there, I'm sure they're
out there a positive.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Absolutely. I think our culture is getting to the point
where we're starting to realize that fringe science is not
exactly fringe science. And things like telepathy could be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
We're not that level yet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Yeah, exactly, but it's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
I mean, before you go, I wanted to share with
you the the mounds across America. You can pull that
up on yeah, on YouTube, and about these giants that
were ten feet and they were all buried in these mounds.
And they say, oh, these were Indian burials. They lived
in tents. They couldn't even you're telling me they built
a structure like that. If anything, it was people that

(01:23:55):
had migrated north that were incas and built all these
mounds across America, and they covered it up because they
don't want to pay reparations to them. So all these
bodies were taken out of there. They were all put
in the Smithsonian. And when the scholars back then, this
was in the early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, they

(01:24:17):
freaked out. These things were ten feet tall and they
took them to the Smithsonian. Well guess what happened. They
put them on a barge and took them all out
and dumped them in the Atlantic. You know why, because
it didn't fit that are winning in theory. They've already
made up their mind what humanity is, and they wrote
all the books, and I'm telling you to do some research, people,

(01:24:41):
because there's much more to know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Oh yeah, I mean this just skims the surface of
what is out there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
But yeah, and Midfoot is part of the evolution process.
They don't want evolution to be part of anything. As
far as we're divine in this and that we're divine intervention.
I mean, anybody that tries to tell me we came
from the you know, from an I think things evolved.
I'm not saying certain big possibly evolved. But I'm just

(01:25:14):
telling people that humanity or divine intervention because we're smart,
we're intelligent. Everything we do is just like amazing. And
people say, oh, we got it from the aliens. I go, no,
give humans respect. We worked hard. Von Braun failed a
hundred thousand times before he got the rocket. Right there,

(01:25:35):
you go, if the aliens took them off, he would
have done it in the first try. I mean, come on,
the Pyramids were built by the aliens. It took twenty years,
they documented it. It took twenty three years to build the pyramids.
They didn't do it overnight. So give humanity from the respect.
We're smart, we're very intelligent people. That's my true senses.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Mister t.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Thank you, thank you for I mean coming on sharing
your fifty years of going after Bigfoot all around the
West Coast, and I appreciate you coming on and for
sharing what you've learned along the way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Oh hey, I did forget to throw this in and
I'll beat this real quick. When the rock throwing happened
at the motor home on the California Highway coast, we
came back a year later with my wife and kid
in a different motor home. And as we left the

(01:26:33):
racetrack and we're heading pat Monterey, I was going the
same way and it started to get dark, so I
pulled over, not in the same area, and so I
got out and it was off to the side of
the road. Same thing. Because it was getting dark. So
I started to get the RG set up and they
were inside. I was outside. I got outside and I
heard a freaking wood knock and it freaked me out.

(01:26:55):
And then I thought I was saying things, and I
heard it again. I jumped in that RB and drove
all the way back the monter Ray an hour and
slept in the party's Because of those stories, were they here?
Where you hear they know you've already been there you
know where, and that freaked me out. So I did
forget to throw that in.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
That's wild. Yeah, that's a cool add on though, man,
good stuff. Please keep in touch, you know, it sounds
like you're still out and you're talking to people that
are having activity and you know, if there's any any updates,
definitely feel free to reach out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Yeah, email you, because I'm going to head up into
that area in uh Lake Kenshaw where the guy on
the video. Watch it again. It's very interesting masters and
mystery at the border and the guy is on his property.

(01:27:49):
I'm going up in there and trying to find that guy.
I know he's up there, and I know that whole
protected of Palomar up by the observatory. They're in there
and they don't let anybody in there. Nobody look it up.
It's all protected.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Well, guys, if you can, if you can help mister
T out with with those quests he's on, put some
stuff in the comments and maybe there can be some
knowledge sharing back and forth. But thank you so much
for coming on the show, mister T. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Thank you. Nice talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yes, sir, thank you so much for tuning into this
episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Mister T's incredible experiences
have left us with more questions than answers, but one
thing's for sure, Bigfoot is out there and he's not alone.
So if you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe,
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Foot encounter, especially in places like the Olympic Rainforest, Big Sir,
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(01:29:05):
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