He Twisted the Antlers — And That’s When I Saw His Face! | Washington - Bigfoot Society

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

(00:20):
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've
got the privilege of talking to Miguel today. Miguel is
an individual I got connected to. He's from out there
in the Spokane, Washington area. We've got a lot of

(00:43):
ground to cover today. We were talking before the show
started and already stuff was getting thrown out. That was
very intense. So I am excited to have Miguel on
the show. Welcome, sir, How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm doing great. Thank you for asking. It's been you know,
like we chatted earlier, It's like my life has kind
of led up to this point and I'm super excited
to let anybody know anything they'd like to about me.
And some craziness has happened in my time, and like
I said, I'm an open book and I'm just excited
to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir. So how far back do we
need to go for your story, Miguel, It sounds like
there's a lot of stuff intertwined here and not just
only Bigfoot related.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, to be honest with you, to start that righteously,
just a quick tidbit, because I could just blow time
just talking about just stuff leading up to this point,
I guess would be really as far as I can tell,
when I kind of became conscious of myself as a
young guy, I don't know, maybe three or four years,

(02:00):
sitting down in a high chair eating, looking down at myself,
noticing my legs and arms, and I thought to myself, dang,
I'm a baby again. I think I've been reincarnated. I
feel like that my parents and everybody around me has
always thought that I was a little special in the

(02:22):
way of just being since in different life aspects and whatnot,
and it just kind of started there. To be honest,
I didn't get along with my dad I'm fifty four now,
and when I was about thirty five, I went to
him and I apologized that I was such a bullheaded
kid and that we kind of got into it a

(02:44):
little bit. You know, maybe typical fathers some arguments, but
I kind of I guess in a way, I can
clean to my dad because I realized the reason why
I treated him the way I did is because, like
I said, when I was conscious another thing, I was
a baby again. My dumb mind thought, well, he's not

(03:05):
even my dad. Why do I got to listen to him? Well,
sounds crazy, but that's the way I felt for a
long time growing up.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Wow, So you you never really thought of him as
your father? Is that something that came to light later.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Or well, it didn't take long for me to realize
that that I was remembering, you know, past life. I
guess some would call it or something. I just really
felt frustrated that I was a baby again, and that's
the key word of this again, and looking down at

(03:44):
my arms and my legs, I was like, what's going
on here? And it was just as weird. It was
like one of my first conscious memories of myself.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I guess, did did you also have other interesting things
happened during your upbringing. I mean, you've already mentioned that
sounds like you know, you can remember her past life
where there are other things that would happen that were
out of the ordinary for a young kid.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Sure, I'm a twin and my brother and I and
you know, through time, I've kind of not really researched
it as much as just kind of seen and heard
shows and whatnot through the years that sometimes twin babies
have their own language, and my brother and I definitely
had that going on, and I can kind of still
remember a lot of that. And it kind of went

(04:35):
even into one of my daughters where my wife and
I were kind of worried because my youngest she wasn't
little like speaking very soon like my other daughter was.
And it went on to like maybe four almost five
years old, and we thought, oh wow, you know the
order she might be an a spectrum or something, and

(04:58):
she wasn't at all. She was just so observe it.
So even leading up to that time, I was a
kid that was just super wanted to know all kinds
of information. And so I've forgotten a little bit, but
I learned sign language just kind of her fun and
I was teaching my daughter's sign language and she was
communicating with me no problem. And then we found out

(05:23):
she was just listening a couple of time and it
was just super quiet. She just didn't want to talk.
But when she decided to come out of her shell,
you can't shut her up. She's on her way. Maybe
I don't know what field she's going to be doing,
but she's taking classes and whatnot. You know, in the
medical field. I don't know she's going to go far
as being a doctor, but you know she speaks two

(05:45):
languages and as smart as a whip. That is.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
That is fascinating. You never know what's in the mind
of a child until one day, Man, they just start
doing stuff. I know exactly what that's like. But you know, Miguel,
what was it. Do you remember the first time when
you had some sort of interaction or or you first realized,

(06:11):
you know what this what bigfoot is, and how there's
some creature out there like Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh, definitely, definitely. So I was born in nineteen seventy one.
We moved to Washington State out of kindergarten. I was
here in Spokane, went to kindergarten, moved up north, maybe
sixty five miles in a little town called Chuila, you know, Chuila,

(06:41):
Washington's anybody wants to look on a map. And when
I turned to go home off those freeway or highway
there three ninety five north, assigning says Grand Forks. We've
seen me seventy four miles, might say seventy six miles.
But it's up there towards Canada, you know. And so
hearing a lot of these big Foot stories, you know,

(07:03):
I hear a lot about the Seatollera and the Olympic
Peninsula and what And me and my friends always thought
that was face liquor stuff over there. We're of the
guys in the woods, you know. And when I was
growing up, Man's off old bus number eight Cottonwood Road.

(07:24):
As long as my school clothes were changed out if
they were new, I was told to be home before dark.
And my little red Rider baby Gun, and I and
my twin brother, maybe a friend. Sometimes we were out
in the woods. Man, That's all we did. I mean,
and bean and Chulila. There's a lot of Native American

(07:44):
Indian more. And Chuila actually is a word from Sahalish
that means valley of the serpent a valley of the Snake,
and I hear a lot of the bigfoot stuff and
I'm sure you're familiar with the words scook them. Well,
that's a Sahalos word in this area, but I was
told by one of the elders that means bigfoot. And

(08:09):
we camped at Schookham Lake and my dad was in
the hunting and camping. I graduated hunting course when I
was eight years old. I still have the other bad
gun that was a gift for that. And you know,
one of part of the things, it's just different these days,
how kids are raised and just what not is uh.
You know, we ed to you know, FI find the

(08:31):
pile of bm next bikes and that's where everybody was.
You know, we weren't really in the city, and she
was so small. I don't know if you'd even call
the city. You know. I graduated, I believe, with maybe
thirty eight kids, and there's still only one stop signed
in that little town. And I don't know the population,
but it's it's still really small. And like I said,

(08:52):
off the bus in the woods we went and because
the idiot stuff, you know, we'd find these structures and
they looked like teachings. You know, they'd these a typical
angle wood, you know that weren't like giant trees. They
were you know, biggest would be six inches around, but
they were always just small poles. And we thought, in

(09:15):
my young mind, and so we're talking first grade, second grade,
third grade, young you know, that the Indians must still
be around and this is just something that they were building,
and maybe we came upon an old one, or maybe
they're still here and we better get out of here,

(09:35):
because sometimes we'd feel a little creeped out. And you know,
with technology now and all the sharing that's going on,
just like you and I right now, you know, wood
knocks and the howls and the works and all that stuff.
You know. A few years ago and I started listening
to podcasts and whatnot, I was just like, holy moly,

(09:59):
I heard that stuff all the time, you know, And
we'd be out in the woods and we'd see something
kind of funny and you'd smell something weird, and we
just thought, you know, we didn't know what to think.
And you know, now with all the sharing and all
that stuff, you're like, oh, we were in the middle
of it, didn't even know it, you know, And we

(10:21):
would hear stories around the area. There was a bus
driver slash football coach up there that would literally get
red faced mad if you didn't believe his bad foot story.
You know, the people that had those stories were serious.
And you know, like I said, I'm fifty four now,

(10:42):
and I think part of technology and the sharing was
going on its loosened everybody's lips to the fact that
you don't hear many people being concerned. At least my
friends say, oh, I don't want to say anything because
they're going to call me crazy and all that old
cliche stuff, you know, And I think part of the

(11:03):
world now is just really not olding that way anymore.
And so you're just seeing this flood of information and
sharing going on. Because of the Internet and these phones,
you know, computer in your pocket, you're able to just
click on stuff, just like I clicked on your podcast,
and it was just like, holy moly, this so many

(11:23):
stories are so simular that it's just undeniable. And then plus,
you know, the first time I really saw something was
very very strange because I wasn't sure what I was
looking at. Okay, So if you're a guy standing in
the woods and you think you see something depending on

(11:47):
how far away you know it is. Because for instance,
I've been standing there, you know, in Mother Nature, having
these bathroom and you know, taking a heaving hunder tree
or whatever, and almost pete on a moose and he
was right there and I never saw him. And your

(12:08):
eyes and just the way you see things, and people
that have never hunted or never seen anything in the woods,
you know, and then they finally see it, your mind
and your eyes kind of change. And for instance, one
of the things that I noticed to be true besides

(12:29):
my soon become crazy bigfoot story that I have, was
just simply picking morrell mushrooms before. I'm not a big
mushroom fan. I don't really care for him to eat
that much, but for fun and being in the woods,
we would, you know, be out there doing it. And

(12:49):
a friend of mine had to drive Morrell in his
hand and he was this is what they look like.
This was kind of dry, so you know, they might
have more shape to him, but this is what you
need to try to find. And I looked and looked
and was like, I don't see anything. And we got
into a patch and I was, you know, ten feet
away from a friend and he's like they're everywhere, and
I'm like, well, I don't even see anything. Well, once

(13:10):
my eye saw one, it was like they just popped
out of nowhere and came out of mother Nature's natural camouflage,
if you will, and there they were. And when your
eye knows what to look for and bingo, you can
kind of see that. And young hunters have that same

(13:30):
thing happened, you know, as a young person, my dad, hey,
there's a deer. There's a deer, and be like where where?
And once I saw one, then it was like, oh,
you know what it looks like, and not just in
a picture, And now you know what it looks like
in mother nature, amongst the trees, the bushes, the brush,

(13:50):
different colors, different times a year, different situations. Is it
going across the road, is it up on a hill,
is it close? Is it far? Is it in a field?
Which is also very tricky on the eye, because sometimes
you can get out in that field and you notice
that you're actually in four foot high grass and that's
the only reason why you saw the there's little head

(14:11):
sticking up. And as a young man hunting, we learn
all those little tricks, if you will, little things I've
seen deer fights. I've seen deer breed, I've seen deer.
I saw a deer crawling on its hands and knees
one time. This is part of the story. We were
out hunting, and we were always conscious of the orange

(14:36):
and the rules, and my dad was very very strict,
and with the grandkids and all that. Now it's carried
on with my daughters and other grandkids. Any kind of
gun activity. Is there was ever a gun in the room,
even a beady gun, the mood changed and everybody was

(14:56):
supposed to be very serious, very cautious, very I wouldn't
say militant, but really very strict. And my dad was
in Datis Fremale and he's a very he's a man's man,
and being taught hunting was to be very very serious

(15:19):
because it could be a life saver besides getting your
own food and whatnot. You know, he wanted to definitely
let us know that it was an example of the
way people had to live, have to live, and you know,
they really have to live someday if you know, stuff's
ever got bad, and so not just that. I was

(15:41):
in the Boy Scouts as well, and you know, we
went camping sometimes in some very remote places and sometimes
for fun, and sometimes it wasn't that fun for me.
But he would say, you know, we're going to bring
a little bit of food, but we're going to go
catch or hunt our dinner. And that was also a

(16:02):
respect thing. If we ever saw anything, he would get
a little irritated if once we got older, if we
didn't eat what was shot. And you know, I've eaten
some weird stuff. Chipmunks tastes like pine trees, and let
me tell you that. And you know, we used to
catch trout and you know, dress them out and stick

(16:26):
them on a stick and roll them around and the
fire like a hot dog on a stick. And I
don't really care for fish because of that so much now.
But we grew up maybe a little different than some,
but I really appreciated it now because just all the information.
But as I'm saying, and so all the arrow hunters
out there, and I don't know about that, because through

(16:48):
my time and my friend's time and lots of other
friends that I've had hunting, man, I've ran across some
poor deer that I had to put out of their
misery because they were, you know, one or two arrows
through them and they stink and they were dying and
just oh, man, arrows, I don't know. I'm not a
fan of those because they don't always go and this

(17:11):
was a factor, this deer. It was crawling, okay, I
was okay. Chewheela is also kind of an easy thing
to follow because the local ski mountain there is called
forty nine degrees north, and that's a you know, longitude
latitude insignia of the forty nine degrees and I believe

(17:33):
the Canadian borders might be fifty I think. But anyhow,
being in it to the local ski mountain as well,
you're in some pretty high terrain and the world changes
a little in altitudes because the tree line stops. And
so you know, if you ever watch a ski movie

(17:55):
or whatnot, and these people are skiing, are snowboarding this
beautiful field. You might just see one or two trees
and they just have this open powder field of snow
to do whatever they want and turn however they want.
It's a lot of fun, but that's at a certain elevation.
So being my dad, you know, showed us the area,

(18:16):
and when I was able to hop off the bus
and just do what I want, that grew into the
time when I was able to drive, and then, oh boy, hottie,
we went everywhere we went, We'd get bored, there wasn't
a whole lot to do at that time, and get
a couple of friends and our favorite cassette tapes and

(18:36):
I jump in my little eighty teen four wheel drive
Subaru and we would go places that were just insane. Oh.
I mean, it developed into a friend of mine, and
I've asked to use his name. His name is Kenny Fuller,
who's a good friend of mine. We actually have our
thirty fifth high school reunion coming on up at the

(18:59):
end of this month. And he worked from the dn
R and then the Forest Service and so and I
mean forever, I said, right out of high school. And
I believe it still works for the Forest Service now.
And he showed us some roads I just didn't even know,

(19:19):
and I thought I knew, you know, And we would
go everywhere, you know, I know, trails that I could
walk to Canada, and it was it was just I
don't know, nobody ever got hurt. We never really did
anything done. We're just out cruising around just because there's

(19:39):
not much else to do. And if you were hunting
or a hunter. You know a lot of people held
on to their special spot, their area where you know,
their boon and crocket, giant buck would come from, and
nobody would tell me, you know, the secret. And that
kind of was funny because it goes along with Huckleberry.

(20:01):
Even people that go out and do their own like
logging and getting wood, you know, they don't like to
tell anybody where their hot spot is, where they find
the big logs and that sort of thing, you know.
And so as we're hunting and we see this deer,
it's about four point buck. It's got an arrow sticking
out of it, and I believe it was on last

(20:22):
legs and that's why it was crawling. Well, we're hunting,
we're making sure that there's you know, a safe shot.
We don't don't and haven't seen any orange. We haven't
heard anybody use any calls. We haven't seen any other
or heard any other vehicles come in. We know the
land really well. And I decide, you know, even if

(20:49):
I have to take it and put the tag on
the sting, I'm going to put it out of its
misery and so pull the trigger. It was a headshet
got Fortunately that I just ended it. And I don't
mean to be rude or cruel, but the thing was

(21:10):
just grossly shot with this arrow, and it was just
nasty and it's stunk, and just oh, I just I
was proud to take a shot and put that poor
deer out of its misery. So as my friend and
I are walking up towards this deer, the smell changes,

(21:34):
and I'm thinking this is bad, this is this is
kind of wacky. And people that hunt that know that
male deer in the rut, as they say, kind of stink. Anyway,
you know that the males get big and the lands
start going and it's part of their breathing thing with
its smell. Which also here in the second I'll tell

(21:58):
you guys about some of the Indian elder that have
told me what the sasquatch in the big Foot and
the difference between male and female and why and what
they're snaring. So as we're heading towards this deer, the
snow changes, but with that the mood changes too. The

(22:19):
arrogants kind of heavy, and then you know, this animal
just lost its life. There was a big shot, you know,
And so we didn't really think, like I've heard a
lot of people think, you know, I should have been
aware that the forests got quiet. There wasn't a chirp,
there wasn't a frog, there was no insects doing anything.

(22:39):
It was totally silent. Well, we just figured that maybe
it was just us. And the mood was heavy and
it was stinky, and now the forest is really quiet.
But I'm just kind of feeling, you know, I've always
been really sensitive to things, and I just felt like
something just wasn't right. Well, as we get closer, my

(23:04):
friend puts his hand out, he hits me in the
chest and he goes and he's quiet. We whispering. He's
like stop, stop, and so we stop and he ducks
and I kind of duck and I'm looking and I
asked him what's going on? What's going on? And he goes,
I think there's a bear coming in for that deer,
and I'm like what. And so he hands me this

(23:25):
view finder and I'm I'm trying to set the thing
and I can't get in and focus, and so I'm like,
heck with bat, and I scand up a little more
to look at this thing. We're now about forty yards
away from it, and we see this black figure coming in,
we see little flashes, we see stuff, we move in.
It was it was really thick what we would call

(23:50):
buck brush. And this deer is I finally see a deer.
I see this arrow sticking up lan outside. I see
the head, I see the horns well out of this
these bushes. I see these arms come out, grab that
gear by the horns and twist its neck. And the

(24:13):
way that it happened. Besides it just being shocking to
see these arms come out of these bushes like that,
and we're talking, this thing looked like a bodybuilder, you know.
People say that, and people say that sometimes they can
see through the fur or the hair, and that also

(24:36):
comes into what elders have told me that there's two
different kinds of bigfoot in the area, and their fur
or their hair has to do with that fur. Like
people would say, the fur hair is like hair. The
thing had hair, and when its arms came out of

(24:58):
these bushes, you can see the hairpine of dripping off
its arms. You could kind of see through to the skin,
which looked, I guess like human skin but darker but
but just not the same tone. It had kind of
a khaki colored tone, like a gunny sack bag were

(25:20):
that bag kind of I don't know how to explain
it khaki colored. The thing was dark brown to black
depending on how the sun hit it. And when it
grabbed that deer and did what it did, I I
just wanted to turn around and get the heck out
of there. And my friend was just like, no, no notice.
I don't think it knows where hairless. Just wait, wait,

(25:42):
And it took everything I could just I was shick
and so bad. To be honest, I wet myself and
I was I was almost in tears. I just had
to go. And he just convinced me, grabbing me again
and said you go, just hold on. This is a
chance of a lifetime. And I was just like, man,
it's chance to get killed. Look what it just did

(26:02):
to that deer. And you could tell that that creature
had done that move before for sure. And when it
grabbed it and did it sting it kind of you know,
pulls on it drug it in, and then we couldn't see.
We could see stuff moving, we couldn't really see. And

(26:26):
my friend was like, man, I didn't really see, like hands,
are you sure? What are you talking about? Because I
was telling him that that's not a bear. That's not a bear.
Those are arms, man, And it's like, what do you
need arms? I'm like arms like a human. I saw
a hand. It grabbed those antlers with a thumb. It
wasn't a paw. It wasn't a strike, it wasn't a swipe.

(26:47):
It was a grab, a twist, a pull and power. Brother,
we're talking, you know it. It yanked that deer kind
of It was kind of a strange buckbrust is in
when you're in buckbrush, the closest I could say that

(27:09):
people might be able to recognize something like this would
be I've seen shots of people chasing feral hogs around
and they're in like these tubes where the animal has
cored out the brush and it's in the brush. That's
how this was. They were in it, and when that
creature pulled on this carcass, it was like the bust

(27:33):
swallowed it. It was just kind of gone. And it
was just the fact that it was in this hole,
if you will, that was in the buck brush. It
pulled it towards itself. I would imagine it's doing it
steal and then the stinks came on were real bad,
and I think It was just because that deer carcass
kind of let go and we heard this thing kind

(27:58):
of start dagging, and it sounded human but not human, right,
There was tones that were so deep that you've also
heard people say, you know, I could see it in
my chest and whatnot. Well, it didn't scream or how
quite yet, but it definitely had a voice that and

(28:24):
and it was gagging. It was gagging, and so it was.
It wasn't really I wasn't in the mootual comedy, but
it was kind of comical in a way to hear
this thing gagging, and me and my friend were like, Okay,
we need to get out of here. This is just
get too weird in the stense was just too much,

(28:46):
even at forty five fifty yards away. I don't know
if we were down wind or what, but it was
eyewatering bad. As we do this, we start backing out.
We weren't in any buckbrush, We're above it. As the
landscape went, we were probably maybe twenty feet higher than
looking down this little hill, you know, forty five fifty

(29:09):
yards away, and we get up a little higher, kind
of go around to the left if I remember right, Yeah,
we went left. I was a little just a little ridge,
little peak, and we get a better look at it,
and this thing stands up, and that's when I was

(29:29):
just like, I can't believe this is real. I've always
heard about this, you know, and this is going on
when I'm maybe a year out of high school, so
it even ninety one or so, you know, and I
graduated in ninety and anyhow, so this thing stands up

(29:52):
and it doesn't see us because the way we went,
we were kind of like a forty five degree angle
to it. Now we're off, that's would have been its
right shoulder. Yes, wait, left shoulder, because we went left.
It was turned so out of its left shoulder by
a forty five three angle twenty feet higher, forty five

(30:14):
yards away. We get this look at this thing, and
I either either smoked us or felt us, or we
made a noise that it kind of turns. And I've
heard people say, you know, it didn't really have a neck.
It was built like a football player, and they're right.
This thing was just bodybuilder big. And when it turns,

(30:39):
we could get kind of its profile, and then you
saw the thickness of its body and its chest, and
it was evident that There was no way that we
were looking at the bearer. There was no way we're
looking at some human or whatnot and just doing from
the area, both of the us looking at each other,

(31:01):
and we're just like, you know, that's a flipping bigfoot.
And I was in shock. He was in shock, and
it's time to go. And so as we're backing out
and getting ready to run, because we weren't far away
from the road in the truck at this point, this
thing kind of let out this maybe a growl or

(31:25):
a grunt. It was just this really low, kind of
weird I don't know if it was a last gag
or something, but it went and you could feel this
thing and it definitely saw us, because as soon as
it saw us and made this noise, it sat down
and you could tell that that motion was something that

(31:48):
it had done a hundred times too. It just was
instantly just this little ball and it almost went away.
It almost looked like a rock. At that point, we're
just we were out of there. At that point, we
just had enough of that. I was just besides me

(32:09):
wetting myself a little bit and scared beyond the leaf,
and my friend being done with me hanging out. Wait, wait, wait,
let's look at this. You know, we'd have enough and
we're out, We're done. And so the slow backing up
turns into a full blown turnaround and run. Okay, and

(32:29):
so now we can hear this thing crashing through the brushes,
the buckbrush that it was in. It was in like however,
you look at it at the very start of it,
from the very end of it, because it didn't take
long for that thing to hit normal terrain, if you will,
with trees and you know, the Pacific Northwest pine trees

(32:53):
and tamarack and some cedar and the normal vegetation of
this thing. And we could just hear the thing going
and I thought it's chasing us, but it wasn't. It
was running away. And you could feel the ground and
almost shape with the weight of this thing. And the

(33:15):
speed was uncanny, you know. And I was fairly athletic, track, football,
all that stuff. I have a couple of district records,
maybe even stand. I don't know about that anymore, but
you know, I ran the four hundred and fifty flat
and I was considered pretty fast. This thing. It would

(33:38):
anybody that's ever seen a deer run. It would catch
a deer with ease, and not just because of the speed,
but just the overall power. It didn't matter if this
thing was going up or down, what kind of up
or down it was. It was just nothing but power,
speed agility. At the very end, when we were up

(34:03):
on the road getting in the truck, we could see
like the trees moving and it was over this hill
and it was gone. But the vegetation and everything, the
land and the whole environment was just so interrupted by

(34:23):
this bulldozer going through the woods like that. And that
was my first encounter. Was they was that right there? Now?
You know it changed the way I ever went into
the woods for my entire life camping. You know. I

(34:44):
wanted to share this with my kids, like my dad myself,
and so I kept that story quiet for a long time,
but they didn't want to scare them. I have two
daughters and they can't and fish and do their thing
now and they're not worried about it. As a father,
I worry about it a little bit. But you can't

(35:04):
look that stuff baby too badly, you know, you don't
want to. Just I feel bad for the stories and
the people that say that they just can't do it period.
At all ever anymore. And this wasn't even at night.
This is you know, probably eleven in the day before
noon because we were out there early. We got out

(35:25):
there not super early. Some hunters are out there track
dawn and you know, we're being done high school kids.
We're out there probably ten am. And it was about
an hour before we saw this, you know. And that
was my first encounter, was seeing something like this up there.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Miguel, that's absolutely that is intense, man. Thank you for
sharing that. Can you remind me real quick was this
in the actual Was this in the Sahela area then
that this all happened?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes, yes, So about eight miles away from Tuila, there's
another little town and we're talking little I think there's
maybe there's a tavern of post office in its store.
It's called Valley, Washington, and Valley is eight miles away

(36:22):
from Twela, and that's nothing in the world of hunting.
Eight miles from where I was, it's nothing. Some people
drive way into the woods, or from the Spokane Way
into the woods, you know, one hundred miles, eighty miles.
This is just a few miles from from my house.
So this is this is home cooking for me. You
know Valley, there's it's called Marble. There's another I don't

(36:51):
know if it's really designated or maybe a nickname, but
we all called it Iron Gates. And it was just
the Iron Gates that was kind of the end the
road above Waits Lake. People can look that up in
Valley Red Marble, Iron Gates, And I'm pretty sure it
was a Boise Cascade. It wasn't the Carville National Forest

(37:15):
because I got another story about Bigfoot there that is
above still in my parents' house past Tuila, you know,
tell a secret. That's where all the high school kegs
went down is in a place called the Meadows in
Carville National Forests. But the Iron Gates were just like
a Boise Cascade gate that you could drive no further

(37:38):
but was always open to hunting and whatnot. And so
that's where we were. We were probably at about maybe
four thousand under forty five hundred, between four thousand and
forty five hundred elevation. You could see the lake down below.

(37:58):
It's a beautiful country, but that's where we were at
when all this happened. In Stephen's County, Washington.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Do you remember when when you're taking it all in
you're you're there in the moment you see it happen.
Were you able to see any details of the face
of the creature at all?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
You know, yes and no. With all the obstruction and
all the adrenaline and all the just madness going down
your your mind. At first, I was just like, I
can't even believe this is true. This is And I
was excited too. I was like, it's real, It's real,

(38:46):
you know, I was. I was torn in so many
places in my head how to feel and how to
act in that instant's time, besides just being scared and
excited and your adrenaline and with fear and just all everything.
You know, there's a lot of people that saw, Oh
I wish I would have done that, or oh I

(39:06):
could have done that, or if I would have just
you know, but it's a time when that thing looked
over its shoulder and like I was describing, its no neck,
having a giant, big body upper just massive. It is
so hard to describe that. The only thing I've seen
that would make sense is a picture I saw of

(39:28):
somebody just on a YouTube online. Thing that was a
lady at a zoo feeding a polar bear, and she
had some food on a stick and was holding her
arm in the air with a stick to get up
to it, and this polar bear stood up. It just
absolutely dwarfed this woman. And that's the only thing I've

(39:49):
seen that would portray how big the thing was. But
I mean big, but I'm saying like maybe the height,
but it had the bear had nothing on the width
and the I think the most impressive thing was a
body shape was very human like, but not because it

(40:11):
was just so flipping huge. Now, the face the one
thing I can say, and I just went across it
early this year. People I'm sure will be able to
find this. I believe the man whose name is Todd Standing,
I think, and he's got a couple of pictures on
one of his shows of two different bigfoot that he caught,

(40:36):
and I believe he called the darker one Jake or
something like that. And I could say that it looked
like that. It was very dark. Its hair would sin
a little bit around the nose and mouth and the eyes,

(40:58):
but definitely like a full face of hair, if you will,
and I want to say hair. It seemed like the
facial hair would not be like a beard like people beard.
It was it was hair its head. Okay, I've got

(41:19):
I've got pretty long hair, and the way it hangs
on a human, it doesn't. It's not like that on
this creature. Not this thing I saw. It didn't look
like it had a haircut, obviously, but it was. It
didn't have hair going down its back, I guess, if
you will. On the head, it was just this fall.

(41:43):
It kind of had a conical shape that people talk about,
but not not so much. It wasn't a human head.
It wasn't the real conical point in this kind of head.
It had to look kind of like that, but but

(42:05):
but more human. And it was so dark. I couldn't
really get any definition of any eyes. I didn't see
any whites at all. I saw its nose in his mouth.
I did never see any teeth. It didn't. It didn't
have any expression on its face, it seemed. And it
was super short experience that that I could see that

(42:29):
kind of angle, if you will, to the way it
turned and looked. It wasn't looking right at me. We
weren't square face to face, you know, it was kind
of turned. But the picture that, like I said, I
believe his name is Todd Standings. The did Jake Bigfoot

(42:49):
that he that he gets the picture of the dark One.
It was like that if anybody had seen that picture,
have you seen a picture of do you know what
I'm talking about, Jeraln do?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
And I was going to comment that it is interesting
that that has come up. I think this is about
the third or fourth time where witnesses have specifically mentioned
that individual that with mister Standing so very very strange
things indeed, that it keeps being brought up, and it

(43:22):
sounds like it's a thing where I mean, to be honest,
you're not one hundred percent sure of his name. You
know it is Todd Standing, though, you are correct, but yeah, yeah,
oh my goodness, what yeah, wild wild wild stuff. So
you've already mentioned that you are that you're sensitive in

(43:46):
different ways to things growing up. Did this encounter change
any of that or bring things out in your life
or what was your reaction and how did your life
change after having this encounter?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Wow, I've never been asked that, great question, brother, It
totally did. In hindsight. Besides the fact that going in
the woods was a different, different game at this point,
you know, uh, that was definitely a thing. But as
far as the sensitivity in any of that. I believe

(44:29):
it didn't really bring it on any harder, but it
definitely made me realize that a lot of the things
that were happening in my life, and that I was
still really young when you're out of high school and
being that I'm sick before now, and there's things that
have happened to me and whatnot with remote viewing and

(44:52):
other psychic things and craziness that have been around you
with my friends and I. It let me know that
this bigfoot was real. Like that, then a lot of
other things could definitely be real because up until that time,
you know, I was on board with the idea, you know,

(45:14):
especially now being able to have this technology shared and
being able to hear the woops and the wood knock
and the house and screams. We grew up with that.
Those wood knocks were like almost every time we went
in the woods. I mean, the wood knock was just like,

(45:35):
oh yeah, it was not a big deal. But but
now you're like, hey, wait a minute, that was no joke.
That was a wood knock of this creature. And now
I know that creature is real because of my first experience,
and so I now know that is that is real,

(46:00):
then a lot of other stuff could be real, and
a lot of things that have happened to me. It
happened that my memory recalls real or gout to be real.
The second thing that I've see in the woods, I
was about twenty seven years old. I was so scared.
I called him home to Mama. I was upon Mount Spocan.

(46:27):
I love bicycles, and I was fortunate enough to land
a job right out of high school when I moved
from Tuelad to Spokan at a place called Garland Cycle.
And Garland Cycle was a third generation twin shop, and

(46:47):
so it was really fun to me for me to
learn a lot about just a history of twin and
more about the bikes and mountain bikes were coming on,
you know, and I kind of left the DMX thing
and worked at this bike shop with mountain bikes. So
now I'm in the mountains on a mountain bike. And

(47:10):
Mount Spokane hosted the nationals oh Man, it was years ago.
I think it named me the ninety four or ninety
six ish, So there was lots of mountain I can
go down in this area. And I was with another
buddy or two and they had taken off to go

(47:33):
get the car because I had just crashed and my
rear wheel was done. And I did what I could.
I had a spoke prints with me and trying to
get this thing around again, and it was popping spokes
and it wasn't sitting through the frame anymore, and I
couldn't manipulate this pringle of a wheel any longer. And

(47:53):
we worked that far from the car, so they were like, hey,
we're just going to go down get the car, take
the carcass of his bike down if you don't want
to drag it down and walk, and we're I maede
four hundred yards in the car, you could you could
almost see the park and well we could see the
edge of the parking lot. It's called Kirk's Lodge. I'm

(48:14):
out Spokane, you know. It's it's gone through a different owner,
but I believe it's still Kirk's Lodge. So the way
to go and I'm kind of kicking rocks some little
this planet. I'm looking at my wounds and like, okay,
I'm okay. That was that was still, you know. I
just crashed and got it, and so I take my

(48:37):
helmet off. I was wearing a full faced helmet, and
I'm carrying this helmet. I've got this camel back on
with some water, and I eat this cliff bar and
I'm walking, you know, about halfway down, and I get
this feeling again, and my hairs go up on my
neck and my arms. And there wasn't any smell or

(49:00):
anything like the first time this whole thing happened. But
I instantly went back to that and I'm like, Okay,
my body's telling me something. I've already seen this. This
isn't this, this is not to be taken lightly. What
do I need to do? And I start looking around,
and if you're seeing something through the woods, depending on

(49:24):
how far it is, you start kind of bottling, weaving
your head, maybe your knees, and you're kind of chucking
and driving to see maybe over a limb or through
the trees or branches, and you're you spot something, you're
kind of you're kind of moving it to get a
better look just a little, you know. My head's bob
and I'm like, what am I seeing here? And I

(49:45):
see this outline of the shape, and at first I'm like, okay,
it's not dark, it's not black, it's not very big
it's not big for Okay, I'm cool, but I'm looking
at this thing. It's about i'd say, three hundred yards away,
slightly downhill. I'm on a trail, so I got a

(50:08):
little bit of opening around me. But as I'm looking
through this thing, I can see a shape, is all.
And as I'm starting to, you know, Bobby breathe my head,
this flipping thing mimics me. And when it did that
and I saw it kind of just move up and

(50:30):
down like I was, it freaked me out so bad.
Excuse me. I just got adrenaline dump on that one.
And I'm sweating right now. Wow. So this thing starts
to minic me, and I remember kind of standing up

(50:55):
straight and I believe I crossed my arms and I
kind of did like the head shaped like no, and
it's I couldn't I couldn't see it a head per se,
but I could see like a like a silhouette or
a body shape. It was just it was hard to

(51:16):
see because of where it was, but you could see
the like that you can see the environment kind of moving.
It's really hard to describe it. The closest thing I
could say it was like if you see the Terminator movie,
and you see that thing, you kind of see this

(51:37):
clear sea through sort of shapely deal, but it was
more solid than that. It wasn't transparent. It's it's so
hard to describe. It had kind of a color maybe
to it, like a light gray ish like elephent skin,

(51:58):
kind of like that. No hair, nothing, And when I
shook my head, no, it meant me, and it started
to vibrate like it was shaking its head no, so
fast that it just dissipated and then nothing, it disappeared.
I was staring right at it, and at that point
I'm running, I'm like, no way. Well, in that era,

(52:23):
mountain bikes had what they call clipless pedals, and my
shoes had a cleat on the bottom of them that
were dedicated to click in the pedals, like a ska
binding in a way, and so they're not normal shoes.
And I'm running. You know, I'm a young man, I'm
in shape, but I can't run fast enough and I
wound up eating it. I fall down because I can't

(52:47):
keep up myself running. I'm so sick and scared and
I fall and that scares me even worse. And I
don't really I was so tripped out at that time
that I don't remember so much the last couple hundred yards,
but I just popped out of the trail on the

(53:08):
parking lot there at Kirk's Lodge. And my friends look
at me and they're like, what is going on with you?
And I was like, I saw something in the woods.
I don't know what it was. It just made this
weird vibrating thing and it just disappeared. I don't know
what to say. And they're close friends of mine, and
so I'm not scared of telling him what I'm telling him.

(53:29):
And my other buddy had seen some stuff. He grew
up in Callville, which is maybe another thirty miles north
towards Canada, and there are some wether twin two and
he's also a hunter and whatnot, and he goes, he goes, man,
I've heard some things around you know, Spokane, and there's

(53:50):
a lot of people that say, you know, bigfoot, And
I'm like, no, no, no, it's not a big foot. Man,
It wasn't. It was not that. And we just all
just they already had stuff in the car and we
jumped in the car and we're done. I'm out. When
I get back to Spokane. I'm still so scared. I

(54:11):
call my mom, Mom, you know, I'm scared. I can't
believe what I saw and this that she was. She's
passed now, but she was always very motherly and very
caring and willing to listen to whatever I had to
say because she had her and my dad had their
own moments too, and so my kids. And that kind

(54:34):
of gets me into the paranormal thing where you also
hear sometimes that maybe people think that certain things happened
to generations, if you will, or maybe sensitivity passed on
things like that. But she was very open and listen

(54:54):
to me and could tell that I was. I was
in tears, you know, I'm twenty seven years old and
crying like a baby to my mommy. That's how bad
this thing scared me. It scared me worse than the
big flood experience did because I couldn't tell what it
was and it didn't do anything even part of this world.
I don't think. The way it vibrated and shook its

(55:16):
body until it went in nothing. I don't even know
how to explain it. I don't even know what to
say anymore than what I just said. That's what happened
the Wednesday, and I can say, and I've asked permission.
His name is Eric Johnson. I've told this exact story
amongst my friends. And as I'm saying this in the past,

(55:39):
about ten years ago, my buddy Eric shows me his
arm and he's like, look and he goes, wait, wait, wait,
and he runs in his bedroom. He comes back with
this rifle. He's seventy three, and I'm like, okay, what's
this have to do with my story? And he goes, dude,
I saw the same thing exactly how you said it.

(56:00):
And he goes when he said elephant skin, that's when
I was like, whoa. And he shows me this rifle
that was this late dad's that was given him, and
he said he was armed, he had this rifle with them.
And as he's showing me this thing, I noticed that
it's bent. The barrel of his rifle was bent because

(56:23):
he was so scared running when he fell down, he
bent the barrel of that done. And him and eye
story are almost I mean, they are exactly the same
as far as the way I described that. You know,
he had the same experience about fifteen miles away from
where I was, about two years after my experience with that.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Was that some wild stuff. Miguel, My goodness, I've never
heard anything like that before.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, I mean yeah, like I said earlier before we
started recording, you know, depending on how this conversation goes,
my life has been filled with stuff like that, and
to skip a bunch of stories to fast forward, I

(57:21):
have well, I don't even know what to say. It's
so sad. I have had, I don't know, a best
friend for the last twenty five years that I have
talked to and seen nearly every day. I asked him
to be the godfather and my kids. Excuse me, I

(57:46):
haven't seen it for two years. The last thing he
said to me was sorry, he said, and you go,
I'm going to protect you and left. Well, I hadn't

(58:08):
totally asked for version because I actually haven't seen him,
so I can't totally say a whole lot, but I
can say that he sold his house, had a lot
of strange things going on that night that he left

(58:28):
and said, Miguel, I'm going to protect you. He was
showing my wife and my one daughter, myself. There was
four of us including him, you know, him, my wife, Arian, myself,
and my daughter. Samara. I'll standing there looking at his

(58:49):
phone and showing me these new sets of cameras that
he had, and something came on camera and there was
nothing to be seen. It was his kitchen, And like
I said, I can't say a whole lot without his permission.
I don't think I don't know what's going on yet.
I want to protect ten as much as he said

(59:09):
he could have protect me. But there was something on
that camera that sounded just like myself and my wife's voice,
but it wasn't us. And we had a lot of
I can tell you some stories about that house. I
don't know what the heck, but just about three weeks
ago I couldn't take it anymore. I wrote a six

(59:31):
page letter to the person that lives there now about
things that went on to that house and the last straw,
if you will. My twin brother is very handy. He
was helping my buddy build walls and redo the basement

(59:54):
in ruis selling this house. In long story short, as
he was sitting there in the job around a five
gollon bucket, my brother was rolling up an extension cord
and I've asked him permission and he said, go ahead.
My twin brother's name is Mark Mark and Mike Marcos Miguel.

(01:00:19):
He's sitting on his bucket and looks to his left
and they're staring at him as a little gray alien. No,
that's a whole story when it's is in itself that
I can tell if anybody wants to hear. But my
buddy had had so many crazy things happen at that house,

(01:00:39):
and that was the last straw, and he has sold
that house. I haven't seen him. I don't know where
he went. I don't know where he is. I don't know.
I really would like to call his parents and go
there and just ask and go, Okay, I don't know.
So I sent this six page letters to the person

(01:01:02):
that lives there now and told him some things because
as a father, I just I couldn't handle a thought
of if a new person has a family. I just
had to tell him whoever, you know, And the person

(01:01:24):
reached out to me after, you know, I've given my
phone number and whatnot, and to be fair, I've gave
him my address because I knew his address. I don't
know this man's name. I don't even know if it
was a man that responded to me. It was texting
through the phone and he said or she said that
they were using Google to protect the phone. And I

(01:01:45):
told him two or three stories, and you know, about
the gray alien and things about that house. And person
said that they've had no issues and whatnot. So that's awesome.
But that was just a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I mean, Wow, you're going through a lot, Miguel. This
is a lot that you go through.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Man, Dude, you have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I don't. Yeah, I know, this is just the tip
of it, you know, a tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
One of the things with my life in the last
few years is indirect. Well, I got hurt at work,
and this is hard. I'm gonna trying to cry on
this one. I lost both legs. I am now at
double amputee and I've been in my room for a

(01:02:52):
long time years, and so I've been wanting in these
podcasts and interesting things and trying to keep my mind
somewhere else. I've always liked to learn, and watching your
podcast with Martin Croves it totally changed my life. I

(01:03:25):
used to be very religious, and I got away from
it for a long time because the stories in the
Bible were just too much. They're too outlanders for me
at the time, and I thought to myself, this can
be real. And there were other things, but that was

(01:03:47):
basically the game bones I had to pick with the Bible,
if you will, where I just couldn't believe it. Well,
hearing the podcast with you and Martin and just that
man's demeanor, I believe him nine million percent that he's
telling the absolute truth about his experience in Tennessee and

(01:04:12):
Kentucky with dog Man and whatnot. H excuse me, sorry.
Like I said, I'm a pretty sensitive guy. Uh. Hearing
that story in the podcast, it made me dive in

(01:04:34):
big time. I've listened to hundreds of podcasts, hundreds, but
I mean not just yours, but anything that seems to
be interesting. I just I just love to listen to
this stuff in. I feel so sensitive with Martin's story

(01:04:55):
because he always said God bless and the way he
recited that prayer, in the way he said that it
was the thing that gave him strengths, that changed his
life and maybe saved his life. I can tell you
if Martin never heard this, that his story has saved

(01:05:19):
my life with our Lord Jesus Christ, because I believe him,
and if that discuss real and it is that the
Bible has to be real. And so for the last
maybe four months, I've been religiously praying again and they've

(01:05:42):
gotten back to my roots with the Lord. And I
can't thank him enough for that. Sorry, excuse me, he's
tears of joy. Just so everybody knows, And I hope
you don't edit this out. I want to be taken seriously.

(01:06:02):
I mean one hundred percent, not exaggerating or embarrassing any
of these stories in any way. And I have plenty
of friends and people who have around me to verify
this stuff. And if I can say anything to anybody
that's listening to this, that in our world is way

(01:06:25):
more profound than we all think. I just want to
let everybody know that that the world is so profound
that a lot of the things that you hear that
you might scoff at, you might want not scoff that
you might want to listen to these people, especially if
you're talking about Bigfoot, because you know Todd Standing's pictures.

(01:06:49):
I don't know what people want more than that. I mean,
you can tell those pictures are real. I don't know.
I've never been fooled by any AI computer generated stuff.
You can tell when that stuff is not real, at
least I think I can. You know, there's some stuff
that's definitely two. You know, it's just you can tell.

(01:07:13):
Those pictures that that man has got of those two
bigfoot those are real. And not only because I saw
one that looked like that, the creature he calls Jake,
but also because growing up in Chuila, I worked at
a place that is now a casino Indian Reservation. Right,

(01:07:37):
it was just a Bengal hall back then. There were
no machines and all that stuff, you know, dating myself
a little here now, but out of high school, working
at a Bengal hall, you're like a waiter. People are
sitting down playing dingo, so you know, I'm their legs.
I'm getting their full tabs or their lunch or you know,
running around and giving them some coffee order out of

(01:07:59):
the high school. And that was my job well, and
that was Indian Reservation whatever. I had the opportunity I've
worked there for some time to kind of move up
and get off the floor and not be a waiter.
And I was given the opportunity to handle all their

(01:08:22):
money as a high school student. My mom worked there
as well in the advertising marketing world. And every Friday
afternoon we were followed by a state trooper and a
res cop as we call it reservation police officer to

(01:08:45):
the bank in Tuila given I won't say how much money,
but a lot, and followed to the Bengal Hall. We
called it just the edge of Tuila, which is now
called Spokane Indian. We call it Spokane Indian Bingo back
and it's now called Chuila Casino. I believe they just
built a hotel and expanding and they've got gas stations. Now.

(01:09:07):
It's a whole different world that working there for the
years that I did, and then handling their money. I
have their trust to do that as a young man,
you know, I was in high school doing this stuff.
I'm good with maths and helped to write a lot

(01:09:30):
of the programs. And I'm really pretty proud of this.
And I can't totally remember. It's either between eleven or thirteen.
It's under fifteen, but I think I've counted thirteen people.
I remember thirteen of us were able to for the
first time make that spoken tribe of Indians enough money

(01:09:53):
that their people's were able to receive like a per
capita check. There's a lot of other Indians have had
and they have never had until that Dingle Hall made
money and I wrote the programs to Rexamp and were
able to make that place a lot of money. But
because of the trust that I had and the friends

(01:10:13):
that I made, there are a few other high school
students there that were living on the Indian rest that
I've had a lot of information told me, just like
the word scook them, that's the Sachalous word for bigfoot.
And you know, my name is Miguel, and I'm the
Spanish descent, and I've got long black hair, and I'm dark,

(01:10:36):
and I kind of look negatives probably am my mom
was adopted and you know it's a whole other story
too anyway, So you know, the trusted me, and so
I was pretty to a lot of information. And that
gets into the bigfoot world too. So I've been told

(01:11:01):
that the reason why you smell different smells is the
time of the year that they hibernate is also conducive
with the time of the year. Maybe not the time

(01:11:22):
of the year, but when the female Bigfoot ovulate and
are readable, and the smells that one might smell have
to do with a male or a female. And also
that I was told by Indian owners of the Spokane tribe.

(01:11:44):
There's twelve bands of the Spokane Indians, is what I'm
aware of that go into Also, I'm sure you've heard
of the Kalispell because there's a lot of bigfoot stories
Kalispell Indians. There's also all the Indians Okanagan, but the
Spokane and Okanagan reds. It's quite large and pierced up

(01:12:07):
into Canada and gets into some rough terrain. And some
friends of mine like to kind of flaps their rights
as tribal people and be on horseback and they can
cross the border. Maybe not so much now, but back
then at will on horseback. You know, they didn't really

(01:12:29):
have to. It was their, their Indian land, and they
were going to do they wanted on that land. And
so for some of those people to be up in
the woods where absolutely no manland is, they were there.
And you know, I believe them when they were telling
me these was bigfoot stuff, especially after I saw one,

(01:12:51):
you know, like the way I did and whatnot, and
you know, that was quite interesting. I was. I was
just flabbergasted that they were saying such a particular information
that I haven't really heard before. I don't know if
anybody has made that association. But I was told that

(01:13:16):
the stanch, the putrid smell that you may experience with
the Bigfoot creature is taken as a sign of wealth
and uh an enticing thing to a female Bigfoot because
the rotten meat sort of smell is supposed to be

(01:13:40):
taken as as I was told, like bigfoots got it
going on. He's got a lot of food. He stinks
so much, He's got so much food. And they say
that the femalees are attracted to that, and so I
kind of affiliate that with deer in the rut. They
stink and it's a it's a our our own thing,

(01:14:00):
you know. And then the uh the way that I
was told that they hibernate, and they hibernate not so
much of the season, but I was told that they
hibernate depending on the families woman's bigfoot ovulating and if

(01:14:28):
there's another Bigfoot tribe in the area, that the Bigfoot
tribe when it's their turn, if you will, they will
go and hibernate, not to disrupt another bigfoots opportunity to breed,
because there's no competition, and I thought that was interesting

(01:14:53):
and it makes kind of sense to me. And I've
never heard that information before. More but I was told
many things about Bigfoot and you know, other creatures of
the world and what it meant. You know what means
going to hawk fies by you in front of you
and a crow and coyotes and wolves and owls, big,

(01:15:18):
big time owl. A lot of information about olf and
Native Americans, for sure. And if you go into Chuila,
right there on city hall, right on the I mean
it's one stoplight in five minutes and Chuila's done. It's small,
but right there on the five pierces the town right
and half on the city hall painted is a portrait

(01:15:42):
of an Indian person nail with his head dress and
everything but his arms open and I believe he's holding
a spear, maybe a bow. He's in his full dress
and his arms were open. And it's this valley and
there's wooly mammoth and the creatures and in this canyon
represents that stuff. And like I said earlier, Shuila is

(01:16:08):
Valley of the Snake or Valley of the serpent. And
you know, growing up up there kind of like being
a farm kid in a way, and we buffed hay
and took care of animals and stuff. And one of
my first jobs it was horrible. Oh. We were in
a dirt field dragging a trailer with no wheels, was
just a flat board thing, s gift thing, and we

(01:16:31):
were to pick rocks out of the field and anything
bigger than a softball or whatever, throw it on the trailer.
And we're picking rocks. But we found a lot of arrowheads,
a lot of mortar and pestles and we donated them
to the little two in the museum that's there whatnot.
And so Indian lore and Indian influence and stories and

(01:16:55):
elders telling me stuff. I was really took that stuff
to heart and seriously. And they don't share they they
are very private peoples and a lot of stuff as
people know. And for them to teach you some words
and to teach me some of their stuff and to

(01:17:15):
hear that information about Bigfoot and whatever, because I told
that story and one of the people that was listening
to me at the time he's passed. Unfortunately, his name
is wrong to Terrass, be wrong to Terrash. He's from

(01:17:37):
a pretty big native family of will Pennant Washington there
and he had his wake. There was kind of invite
only and it was intens Now, some of the songs
that you'll hear, you know, the powwow or whatever you
ever heard that, you know, natives singing and pounding your

(01:17:57):
drum and all that stuff, and the wailing that they do.
There's also a song that the whaling that they do
is to imitate some of the whaling that bigfoot sounds like.
And when they do that, they're honoring the totem pole
and different things. And when you look at a totem pole,

(01:18:18):
the totem pole, the very lowest figurehead is compared to
what they find most important to them, and as they
go up, you know, it means different things. So when
I heard that the song that they were doing was

(01:18:41):
kind of a feature that the whaling that they did
and whatnot and the sounds that you can find online
with some of the stuff. Because they're human, they can't
do it, but you can definitely tell that they're trying
to mimic some of the sounds and the wailing that

(01:19:02):
those creatures make. And also for listeners out there, not
always are those bigfoot sounds totally bigfoot sounds. You have
to be careful. I believe because I also think and
have been told that there's two kinds of Bigfoot, and

(01:19:26):
that touches into the flush and phone bigfoot and the
paranormal Bigfoot. Where you hear about orbs, you hear about
maybe even a Bigfoot being around an orb. You know.
Martin Groves described as hunter friends seeing two orange orbs.
Now orange has to do. I've been told to the

(01:19:50):
elders of the Indians that the orange depicts the spiritual
traveling more uh. They described it as an older, more
sacred spiritual not always of this realm Bigfoot. And that's

(01:20:15):
the picture of the orange one that you see in
Todd Standing's picture, that orange Bigfoot. If you see those
two bigfoot, look that bigfoot again. Then you go back
to the fact that I was trying to explain that
the fur is different than hair. You know, the way

(01:20:37):
that Jake Bigfoot looks is similar, but nothing like that
orange one. That orange one has got. Besides orange, the
nose is different, the mouth is different, the face structure
is a little different. The way the hair grows on
the face is totally different. When you look at the

(01:21:00):
top of the head of the orange one. The way
the hair is, it reminds me of the little toys
with the little crazy hairdew. It used to be when
I was a kid. They were called trolls and their
little TENTSI pops and it's spin the tencil and hair
freak out and it's kind of funny. Ha ha. Well,
that weird kind of hair is what's on the orange one,

(01:21:21):
and that's more like fur. The dark one has more
like hair. Now, the orange one, I've been told is
from an orange orb. And when you look at the
picture of that orange one, that one scares me. The
way the eyes are, the way the thing looks, and

(01:21:45):
it's just almost emotionless. That one is the one to
worry about. And I've been told that those are the ones.
As Todd said. There now you get into a biblical
thing and watchers and whatnot. There's another video that I've

(01:22:09):
seen of mister Groves talking to some people, and for
just a quick second he alludes that he respects the
Mormon community. He doesn't really get into it too much,
but he's trying to drop a hint. Now, I've got
a friend that is very religious in the Mormon stuff,

(01:22:34):
and they keep secrets big time. Now if you're into
that Mormon and you know that Freemasonry is very similar
in a lot of ways to Mormons, and one of
the things is keeping secrets. Now, we were talking one
day about Bigfoot and stuff like that, and he's got

(01:23:00):
his own experiences and beliefs, and he was so careful
that we're at a job site. It was ready for lunch.
We're in the truck. As we're talking, he turns the
truck on, turns the radio on, leans over and whispers
this and in my ear because he's that trying to
be secretive in it about it. And he told me

(01:23:24):
that certain woman beliefs are that Bigfoot is one of
the cursed to walk the earth in the story of
Able and Cain.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I have heard that before, and it is I'm not
one that is very knowledgeable in that religion, but I
have heard that before. It's very very interesting if you
look into that story.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, I don't know who knows.
I think that story might stick in a lot of ways.
But again, with this technology and the sharing that's going on,
we now know that, you know, it's just not Patty
in California, like Martin says, you know, it's just not

(01:24:14):
that they're all over the place, you know, everywhere. And
I think that bigfoots would be a lot like humans
as far as Native Americans, African Americans, Norwegians, Latinos. There's
just different kind you know, different offspring. And I think
they've been here since the dawn of time, and it's

(01:24:37):
just the technology now has kind of caught up to
the point where you're seeing texters and people are sharing
stories and the taboo has been lost. I think almost.
I don't know any any friend of mine that has
a story. They'll spit it out, you know, maybe because
I'm trustworthy and my friends, but the taboo and cliche

(01:24:59):
seems to he's going away. Would you not agree that you?

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Oh, yeah, yeah, We're at the point everyone it can
share it. It's not a problem one hundred per miguel.
My goodness. There's a few things I want to want
to address, and you've shared some extremely personal things, and
thank you for doing so, and just hearing your account

(01:25:24):
about how the interview with Martin who is I want
to tell you a story about that if I can.
This is one I haven't really told just because it
it's time Okay, So so before that interview that you heard,

(01:25:47):
and I'm in I'm in the room before the people
come in to listen, and it's me and Martin, and
I look over at Martin and he just has this
sense about him that I can only explain as to

(01:26:08):
It was like he had huge wings protecting him on
his back. And I was like, wow, this is this
is intense. And I didn't know anything about Martin's background,
and I was like, Martin, would you like to pray?
So we actually prayed together before that interview. And you know,
I'm a Christian myself, and you know, I've talked to

(01:26:30):
Martin a lot since then. He is an extremely you know,
he's a he's a man of God. I mean, he's
a Christian as well, and we've had some really good
chats off record. But I mean, it's just interesting that
that that interview, hearing that was what was able to

(01:26:51):
bring you back to the faith in the Bible. And
I you know, I'm going to make sure that he
knows that because that would just make his heart be
so joyful. I think, so thank you for sharing that.
That is probably the I mean that makes everything else
worth it for this It's very rare that someone has

(01:27:15):
the trust of the First Nations people I can think
of now yourself. But also it reminds me of you know,
talking to to Henry Franzoni, how he was able to
have that trust because he worked for the people for
so many years out there in the Pacific Northwest and
they trusted him with a lot of information. So I

(01:27:36):
want to say thank you for sharing that. And it's
just you have You've had incredible journey over the years.
Thank you, Thank you for sharing it. This is an
area where I know Chiuila has a lot of stuff
going on, but I think you're the first person, maybe

(01:27:56):
on the show to share a lot of you know,
personal accounts from this area. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, I thank you. I mean it's given me a
chance to get some more information out. And that's a
big part of this is the technology is being able
to connect people and to open people's eyes and ears
more and to have a safe space to say, hey,
that thing that I heard on that show, I heard

(01:28:27):
that too, and and you know whatnot you know one
of the friends of mine being in the DNR and
for a service for so long, you know his stories,
He's got a few too. You know. I have a
few friends that have their own stories as well, just
from the same area. But the end that was in

(01:28:50):
the DNR and Forest Service. We're talking to high school
man years and years and years and years, you know,
talking to wants. It's pretty funny. I go, well, what
did you hear? And there's slight pause and then both
at the same time, in the same pitch in the
same town with both at the same time went whoop,

(01:29:13):
and we laughed and he's like, yeah, yeah, he goes Woodknox.
He told me I was so far away, as he
put it, from civilization that there was no way that
could have been a human. That's what he that's what
his main sentence is, no way that could be a human.
You know that guy, he was able to show me

(01:29:35):
some roads. I mean he knows that area of big time,
you know, as you know for a service and d
and our people would you know, and yeah, you know,
I've got another friend that is the nickname is called
a hot shot, and it's a firefighter that'll jump out

(01:29:58):
of a plane to fight fire. And there's been some
gnarly fires through the years up here and whatnot. And
he's been a part of some of that stuff, and
he's a couple of generations deep into that world, and

(01:30:21):
we haven't totally gotten into the meat and potatoes a bunch,
but he is very adamant about knowing that we're not
Saint Helen's Blue. That some of the hot shots and
stories in that community were privy to the fact that

(01:30:41):
there was not only bigfoots recovered, but bigfoots communicated with.
And there was a person of the military that seemed
to know or maybe bigfoot new language enough to communicate
between each other, human and bigfoot communicating through language you

(01:31:06):
won't say or hasn't said, if it's a man knowing
Bigfoot words or if it's bigfoot knowing human words. I
think it was Bigfoot knowing in words, because I've also
been in the woods and have heard that as people say,

(01:31:30):
like samurai, look go, you know weird. It sounds Asian
role and babbling and whining or crying like babies. I've
also been told that that is a female and that

(01:31:54):
is maybe one of their calls in a way to
say that she's ready to be, you know, ready to
bread if you will, and like some animal animals have
female and male calls that the baby crying that you

(01:32:14):
hear is a female bigfoot calling out for a mate.
There's another thing that I've been told by this hatless people.
Now they have another word. And I apologize for anybody,
said Halesh that I'm going to get this the pronunciation wrong.
But their word for some of this was sue ape

(01:32:39):
and I've I've totally got that right out of there.
They have a certain way that sue buckey, kind of
a weird way to pronounce it, but it means other
than them. Now we laughed, and you know, we're cutting
it up, and you know, I'm from Latino and I said,
like dringo and they're like, no, no, no, it doesn't

(01:32:59):
have any of race asked to do with humanity that
we can communicate, but you're just not one of us.
And I said, one of us like tribal and they
gon't know human and I thought, wow, that's that's an
interesting titbit. You know. Now I also know the grandson

(01:33:26):
of the the lady that has brought the Thehalish language
back to life. And if you go go to h
the grand Hooly, Damn, they've got like laser light shows
and things that they do out there and the woman's
voice that you hear narrating some of that stuff, and

(01:33:48):
that has been writing books and reviving language of this.
The Haalish is my friend's grandmother. His name is on Alexi.
You know, his brother Shriman Alexi has written these books
and actually made a movie. I can't remember the name

(01:34:10):
of the movie offhand, but very respected people in the
community up there and whatnot. And he was trying to
tell me that some of the words are really difficult,
not so much to pronounce or whatnot, but just they
don't have words. And I was like, what do you mean?
And he goes, well, think about it, man, if you're

(01:34:31):
a Native American and a TV back in the days,
there's no word for microwave. I thought, oh, okay, I
did it. Yeah, So he said some of the struggles
is there's no words for what they're trying to portray.
And one of the words that he could explain that
it meant just not us and it boiled down and no,

(01:34:53):
not human, was suape. Have you ever heard is their
word for bigfoot? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
I have heard that. You know. There's this really great
book that we've already mentioned him in this episode. Henry
Franzoni came out. You can get it on Amazon. It's
a E version only now. But he went through and
analyzed pretty much the entire map of the US. And
he goes through and shares, Okay, this word is gookum.

(01:35:25):
You know, here's the meaning behind it. But here's all
the places in the US it's it's used in different
areas and why that's significant.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
So it is.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
It's very interesting when you look into the meaning behind
certain words that are used regarding bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Yeah. Interesting. Can I ask you, Jame, sir, what was
the name of the man that you mentioned? I'm gonna
write that down because I haven't haven't let across the
INDUS man's information. What was his name again?

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah? So his name was Henry Franzoni. He has written
a few books. He is unfortunately he has passed on,
but you can find I interviewed him a few times,
but he's got interviews out there and they're very interesting.
You'll learn a lot from what he shares. For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Cool Henry friend zone. Don't you thank you? Yeah? I
mean Tuila is such an interesting place. It's very mysterious.
Quick sideshoot. You know, my brother when he saw that
little Gray had a missing time. Just recently he said

(01:36:35):
he's willing to go to regressive hypnosis to maybe get
to the bottom of some stuff. It definitely popped my
head and sent me back to a time of different things.
And I don't know if you want to get into
it or later or another show or whatever, but I'm
ninety percent sure that I've maybe my brother as well,

(01:36:59):
has been it's so hard to say abducted. And it's
the point where I'm going to go to the very
first house that I grew up there in the Cottonwood Road,
where a lot of this stuff and was happening in

(01:37:19):
my young life, and I have a question or two
for the people that still live there, and I would
have to video, and I played on videotaping it. So
there's no way that somebody could say that this was
a prefab thing or made up. And the only information
I can say that will make sense if I ever,
if this ever comes to light, is it simply has

(01:37:40):
to do with if there's a certain water sticket in
the back of this house still or remnants of it.
All makes sense and it sounds too weird, but if
I'm able to have the agreement of these people to
let me videotape them answering that question improve a lot

(01:38:00):
of things now that being said, Spokane is in the
five oh nine. That's our phone area code, right. My
dad is a retired union burder maker, and so is
my twin brother. Welder's good enough that they signed non

(01:38:22):
disclosure agreements a long time ago and worked at Hanford,
which isn't far away, which is the nuclear site here
in Washington State. Well, a lot of people don't realize
that I've heard seventy six, but I've heard seventy four
a few more times. That seventy four percent of the

(01:38:47):
uranium that was used to make the plutonium that came
from Hanford was the plutonium and this part's all facts
that was used to make the bomb for Haroshima and Nagasaki. Well,
my brother feels like that that little gray was trying

(01:39:08):
to ask, if you will, what does five O nine mean?
Because the bomb group, the bomb group that was part
of that is the Fibal Nights, the bomb group, and
all that uranium came from off the Indian reds called
tom Tum and the road name I think has been changed.

(01:39:31):
But I know somebody with a sign and it's still
pretty public record. It's called Uranium Road, and all that
uranium came from, you know, fifteen minutes twenty minutes away
from my house that I grew up in, in the
five of Ninth Area Code five of ninth bomb Group.

(01:39:53):
And the last thing that my brother and my dad
were working on was a project out of hands, super
secure armed guards everywhere, super high security appearances, and they
were simply welding tubes and whatnot. And it was the

(01:40:17):
very very first start of THERN They were part of that.
Now I've got some recordings with my dad and me
talking because he's getting old and you know, he's got
some profound stories and that kind of gets into you know,
like people say, the generations of maybe your grandma had

(01:40:39):
something happen, now your mom, now you that's gone down
with my dad, myself, and now my daughters as well.
And you know, when I asked him, you know what
they were doing, he spat it right out. He said, well,
we're making this thing because they were going to shift
it down as a border Italy or France because it's

(01:41:00):
Nancana for aliens. There's the exact sentence, and I have
things recorded about that now another kind of a weird trip.
My dad when he was grown up, he could not walk. Now,
I don't know how old you are if you're a

(01:41:20):
music fan, but if you know the band Sublime and
that song, I don't practice sangaria. I don't have me
crystal Ball. We're talking about. Hey, that's Mexican Spanish Cuban
Rubi right now. My dad was taken down by the
back of a donkey at a young man, you know.

(01:41:44):
He says, he's six seven years old, to the bottom
somewhere in the Grand Canyon. And I had some work
done on him, and he calls him angels and they
rubbed his legs and he said, you know whom he
can walk? And when he said that, he looked at me,

(01:42:07):
and I looked at him, and we both just looked
at my legs and I said nothing. Three. Now, with
my personal life and my medical situation, I've had medical
doctors tell me a few times that they don't understand.
One doctor said, I don't know if this is ever
medically documented. Okay, Well, I had some things just come

(01:42:29):
out of the blow when I got hurt at work
and things went wrong and it was a nightmare. I've
had sixteen surgeries. I've died twice and I wanted to
losing my legs. Well, as soon as that happened, my
health came one hundred percent back. All the blood work

(01:42:50):
and everything that I've had since then, they don't understand
that any illness or anything that was going on in
my body is gone. And it was the instant that
I lost in my bag and my dad and both
we both believe that, you know, nothing is free, so
I wonder it's that's crazy stuff, but it's true, you know.

(01:43:14):
And when my dad was a young man, his best friend,
dad was a forest service guy park ranger in California,
and they used to hunt with dogs. And when he
told me the story, I was like, you guys hunt
dogs at night? I was like, how do you do that?

(01:43:36):
And he's like, whoa. We just let him go and
were waiting with me and we listened and we can
tell when we lead dogs treat something and then we
go to it, but we do it tonight, and I
was just like, wow, that's crazy. And you know, being
my dad and opening family and stuff, he tells me

(01:43:56):
that when he was about eighteen years old, they were
doing that and the dogs they were running and they
couldn't catch whatever they were chasing. And he said they
listened to it until morning was coming up, and dogs
roll over here and the dogs are in front of them,
the dogs are behind them. The dogs are the left,
dogs in the right, and we can't catch them. They're

(01:44:16):
still chasing, chasing, chasing, And he said they finally were
coming at him. And that era of time when my dad,
like I said, he's eighty three now, and when he
was eighteen. The technology at the time, the flash lights
weren't very good, right, but he said flash light had

(01:44:37):
a freshy battery in it was the best that you
could get back in the day. And as the crashes
and tumbles come through, they put the lights on something.
And for years he called it Bigfoot. It was dark black,
eight feet tall, running up right and all him button

(01:45:01):
but the one thing for years. And I just recently
told him this last year. And it's because of technology,
he always said. But it had a muzzle. But it
had a muddle. I don't know, but bigfoot, because he
says he's seen him too, and I showed him Jake
and he's like, oh yeah, bingo, that's real. But he

(01:45:23):
said this he had a muzzle. Well again, Martin Gross
and then that guy his dog man story. I told
him my dad and he just was floored, you know.
He he doesn't listen to podcasts, he doesn't run computer.
He's eighty three, he's doing the same, you know. And
when I told him that, he was just like wow,

(01:45:45):
He's like that that, yes, that was that. But he
called it bigfoot, you know. But then he was confused
because when he saw the Jake one, he didn't have
a muzzle, didn't look like that, you know. But the
thing that he saw was a dog man, you know.
And my dad's got a few stories too, and that's

(01:46:08):
kind of what I say, where the stories me and
my daughters. They both had missing time and some things
go on with him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Oh wow. So yeah, but it definitely has gone down
through the family tree one hundred percent. Miguel, you have
I man, your your story is so so amazing to
hear the whole thing together, what you've what you've lived through,

(01:46:37):
and what you've learned. And thank you for sharing it
with us. I mean, I just want to say thank
you for coming on the show. It feels like we
might be able to have another conversation someday. I'm sure
you have maybe even more things to share once you

(01:46:58):
think about it, but I want to make sure that
everything that you want to share in this conversation that
you were able to share it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
I mean, yes for the most part. Yeah, I mean
the biggest thing that I can say is thank you
for having the opportunity for a safe place for people
that spit this stuff out, because I feel like a
weight has been listed right now. My man. I'm just
I just feel so much lighter saying this stuff. And

(01:47:31):
I've said it to my friends and whatnot, but to
put it out there on a larger scale and to
be able to maybe have my story help others connect
their dots, like the stories have helped me collect my dots.
And Amen to the Martin Groves man. That guy saved
my life period, And I just sincerely would hope that

(01:47:58):
he knows that that there's a person in this world
that has gone back to Jesus Christ because of his
story and the way he always just says that He's
there to help and God bless and whatnot. And it
also validated not just my story but my dads and
has helped us, helped us kind of heal it helped

(01:48:19):
us maybe get the knock at the bottom of something,
but just the therapy has been able to spit it
out and know that there's other people in the world
that have instances and things, and you know, thankfully that
the technology has let us share in your podcast has
given some platform to share. And I'm very grateful and
thank you very much for this. I very much so

(01:48:42):
appreciate it. And you know, I do have other stories
and they do involve Bigfoot again, and I know that
I'm chatty cappy and that way because I'm just stuck
in this room with the legs for a while. But
I just want to say, Jeremiah, thank you, and if
you ever want to talk some more, I would be
grateful to you.

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