Terrified in Elderberry Flats — Bigfoot Screams in the Night | Oregon - Bigfoot Society

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

(00:20):
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us, all right, pig for a Society.
I've got the privilege of talking to mister David Boozer today.
You may recognize David from the show PacWest Bigfoot, which

(00:41):
is one of the ones I enjoyed watching back in
the day. YouTube channel. There spoiler alert, it's back. It's
called Where Bigfoot Realms, and we'll probably get into that
in a little bit. But I've been wanting to talk
to David for a while and it was finally able
to happen. Welcome to the show, David. How are you
doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm good man, doing really good.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Awesome, So you are actually out there in the Pacific northwest.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Correct. Yeah, so I was actually born in Florida, Pensacola
and naval base. Parents moved back to la and then
moved up here and followed my Both said to grandparents.
My grandfather's the loggers for quite some time, and this
is all I've ever known is southern Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh that's awesome. What age did you get out there
to Southern Oregon roundabouts?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh? I think I was about four or five, both
about nineteen seventy six. I think, let me move to
here seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh, man, man, perfect time to get out there too. Wow,
that's really cool. So did you run into any bigfoot
stuff right off the bat or do you remember anything
from that time of your life?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
What's this whole bigfoot thing out here?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Actually? I did. I think I was probably in the
fourth grade. I was down in the library and I
had noticed some books there on bigfoot, and they were
those old sick novels, except there was a couple of
little skinny ones and I believe they're the ones from
John Green, and I started, gosh, I can't remember the

(02:22):
name of live name. I'd like to buy them today,
But everybody on eBay is trying to sell them for
a hundred and fifty bucks, and I'm like, yeah, and
fifty books. But yeah, I started reading that then, and
I remember mentioning it a little bit. I believe to
the mom, and she was skeptical at first, but when

(02:43):
I started telling you about these younger years and our experiences,
then I think she did become a believer. She's got
to be my number one thing out here. Yeah, pretty young.
When I was introduced to it, and I found it
in a school library.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's awesome. I wonder if it was among Us or
if it was the Skiniers among Us.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
It was Eights among Us. And then there was the
two I still have actually two of those John Green books,
those big tull skinny things, and somebody had sent them
to me in nearly perfect condition. Yeah, and you know,
I still read to them here and there, just because
I like to.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
If listeners haven't heard of those books, especially Apes among
Us by John Green. He was one of the original
guys that was going out there and investigating and collecting stories,
and track that book down if you can. It is
a great book.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, that's any big footers library.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh absolutely, Yeah. So you're in southern Oregon and you're
introduced to the subject. Thankfully your school had the right books.
And then after that do you start noticing stories growing
up or did you actually have some things happen when
you guys, maybe run a camping trip or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I have two. And
then one came to memory actually from my cousin when
we were up around the same place about a year later,
which I'll get into. I've actually be honest, I've never
told this one to anybody until now, because he reminded
me of it, and then I totally remembered it. But yeah,
I heard some stories. Fifth sixth seventh grade. I lived

(04:26):
in a small town of Ashland, Oregon. It's pretty popular
town to Shakespeare Festival and everything. But eventually my dad
wanted to move to Rogue River because he was going
to be working in a mill out there, and so
we moved to this little town of Rogue River, and
we actually lived about five miles out of town, I think,
heading east, in between Rogue River and a little tent

(04:48):
little He's the town, I guess, but like called Wimer,
And so we moved there when I was about to
start the eighth grade, and this is that was probably,
I would say, the thing that threw me over the edge,
but before that, and I would say it was a

(05:09):
couple of years before that. To be honest with you,
I was. We were probably the poorest poorest kid in town.
In Ashland, it's an expensive place to live. So during
the summer sometimes we would go up to Hyatt Lake
and we'd camp there during the summer. My dad would
just drive back and forth to work because it was
just cheap to camp pretty much for a couple of months.

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One night, I think I was ten years old, somewhere
around there, and it was the middle of the night,
it was late, and all of a sudden I didn't
hear it at first because I was sleeping in the
tent with my sister and my little baby brother. But
eventually it woke me up. My mom said, from the

(05:54):
direction I believe of little Hyatt and a lake that's
just couple of miles north of that, just beautiful, like
an enormous pond in the middle of a meadow, surrounded
by nothing but mountains. It's beautiful. But she said, from
that direction came these awful screens. They were loud, you

(06:19):
could hear them clearly, and when they trailed off, they
sounded different, different from the fox or the coyote. Southern
Oregon is full of animals in the woods. It just
sounded different. And it kept coming, and it kept coming,
and it just didn't stop for a few minutes or more.

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I don't remember how long it lasted. She said it
lasted for a little while, a few minutes or so,
but it was just this hollering just when it trails off,
and it sounded as it trailed off, it got deep
and hollow. And she was a little freaked out because

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my dad was working graveyard, so it was just her.
But of course we had other campers around us and
stuff like that. But these strangers kept coming. And then
eventually I woke up and I heard the screaming, and
I don't remember if I got scared or anything like that,
and my mom says, I got pretty nervous. But the
next morning, after all of this, my mom's out there.

(07:26):
She's for walking over to the I think the they
have bathrooms and showers there back in the day, And
then then remember going to go to the lodge. There
were some other campers that she we were walking past,
and I remember them saying, hey, did you hear that
last night? And she talked to them for a few minutes,
and I don't recall that she had mentioned bigfoot or

(07:49):
anything like that, but later on years later, she's, I
don't know what that was. It was extremely loud. It
was different than anything she's ever heard. And she's shell
even today, she's great grandma, and she still goes off
in the woods by herself, she'll go camping, and she

(08:11):
says she's never heard anything like that since ever. And
so for me, that was that point where I started
looking through more books and hearing stories as I grew older,
and back to the eighth prade. When we were living
in Rogue River, we decided, I think it was the
second Christmas there my second years right now, it was

(08:34):
the first Christmas I had started school at the middle
school in Rogue River, and that Christmas we were going
to go cut down our own Christmas tree. Back then,
you didn't really buy a lot of trees at its story,
and you actually went and cut your tree because it's
just a twelve bucks or whatever. For attack. We decided
to take this huge, long loop all the way out

(08:57):
past the Limber up into the mountains out towards a
place called Eld the Very Flats, and there's a campground
there today. This place has logging roads and there's mountains
in the background, but there's rolling hills everywhere full of
pine trees. Eventually we came to a turnoff and we
turned off and it was like this little dirt bridge

(09:19):
with some sort of lands, like big huge steel tunnel
things and water runs through. We drive over that and
we end up in this big, huge roundabout area where
the logging road would continue up around the mountain. And
that roundabout area was basically just hillside and cliff and

(09:42):
it was enough for trucks to turn around in there
and park and whatever that were polling logs down or
heading up to get loaded with logs. I don't know
if it was being used back then. It didn't. I
don't remember it looking like it had been used for
a while, because at that point time there was a
big hissy fit about spotted owls that was crazy, and

(10:07):
so it slowed down the industry, and my dad was
always in and out of jobs by that point the mill.
But we decided, my mom and I decided to walk
up the bend in the road up the mountain side
and the logging road. My dad and my sister and
my little brother decided to go off into the slatter
area on the side of the turnavent, and so me

(10:31):
and my mom were walking up there, and there was
snow in the night before, or at least early that morning,
because it was fresh. There was nothing out there. It
was just there was snow. It wasn't a lot, but
it was deep enout there. I'm guessing at least five
or six inches, but off the side of the road
you'd sink to probably your lower cast. So anyways, we're

(10:54):
walking up that way, and I'm looking for Christmas trees,
of course, and my mom almost looking over to the
right of the road, which has an open area that
runs down towards that little creek, and this is just
nothing but wall of pine trees, and most of them

(11:14):
they didn't look too old. They were tall, of course,
but they weren't. They didn't look too old. She's looking
over there for some trees, and the next thing you know,
I just noticed her and she's looking down and she's
looking intently, she's looking she was curious about something, and
all of a sudden she's like hey, I'm like, okay,

(11:39):
maybe she found a tree. She pulls me over there
and she starts walking off into the deeper snow, and
I look down and I noticed what she's looking at.
There are there's a set of tracks something It comes
out of the woods, whatever it was, and it the

(12:00):
tracks go to the basically to the edge of the road.
As we look and after we notice these scenes and
start following them, they lead all the way down the
side of the road, back down towards the turnabout to
the left hand side, down to the creek and then
they shoot straight back up into that wall of trees.

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But also looking at them in the deeper snow, it
just my mom was like, that can't be there, because yeah,
bear can create some sort of like a single plant
when they're walking the way they do, but this had
there was no way this would buy people. And so

(12:43):
we get to the logging road following the tracks and
all of a sudden, this is at the point where
you can see toes like toes. Now, I'm young, and
I put my foot in one of them, and I'm
not a very tall guy at all. I was short
back then to even my mom put her foot by

(13:03):
one and These things were Shaquille O'Neil size and were huge.
Then I went from I tried to make that stride
and I literally, at that age, had to do this
splitch just to touch the heel with the toe of
my tip of my shoe to that other track, and

(13:26):
I was like, this is crazy, and my mom is
just she's just in wonderment. She's in the world. And
so we keep following down and then we get down
to the crank and then we look at the tracks
heading back into the woods. And by this point, my mom,
I think, in her head, is starting to figure out
that this is a monster in the woods. She looks

(13:48):
down at the tracks, she looks at the woods, she
looks at the tracks, she looks at the woods, and
the next thing you know, she runs off, yelling for
my dad and leaving me behind. I, Hey, mom, wallster
in the woods, what are you doing? That's so I'm
thinking of my head. So I trailed off run an
appalling her, and my dad comes over and my dad's yeah,

(14:12):
he was a skeptic at that stuff. He wasn't really
much into it. He was a pretty straightforward guy. But
I'm telling you, there were toes. There was heel, and
these things literally had to be. This trail of footprints
must have been between seventy five and one hundred yards

(14:33):
in length that they traveled. And back then when we
never thought about trying to get some plaster, all of
a sudden and come back and get him, and we
know nobody was off that road. The road looked just dead,
like nobody's been up it for a while, and that
was fresh snow from basically that morning. It was unreal.

(14:54):
And then it wasn't too long ago that I had
talked to my cousin, and I had talked in a
long time, And this goes back to the Hygat Lake incident.
He said it was a year later, like the following summer.
Me and him are basically the same age. For a month.
I grew up with him. He was more like an
older brother than he was a cousin. We roommate it
together and all this other stuff for years, he told me,

(15:19):
And I remember this. Now we've pretty much had free range.
We could wander off at twelve and thirteen years old
and go make a camp somewhere around the lake, as
long as we let you know, my my mom know,
or my dad know, and tell him exactly the area
we would be in, and he said that, And I

(15:40):
remember we were walking one late afternoon, it might have
been almost dusk, and we were walking over the dam
and then we hit the trail of the tenant goes
around the lake the past and we decided to go
halfway around the lake. And we must have been at
this point where people who had fished therew know that

(16:02):
there was these trees it would pop out of the lake,
these old dead trees. We were directly across from those,
and but we were on the I believe it would
be like this, I guess the south southeast part of
the lake. South south part of the lake. We're directly
from those, kind of up a little hillside. But wecause

(16:23):
we'll see the lake perfectly from where we were at.
And but when we were walking there and we heard
what we heard football footsteps, and it was you could
hear the crunching here and there, and sometimes it would
move a little faster, sometimes a little flower. We figured

(16:46):
that somebody was up on the trail above us, because
there was another trailway up there. But the thing is
that it's hard grand it's a trail. This was crunching
through the brush through the thick trees, and by that
point it was getting it was dark enough to where

(17:06):
you really can't see. And you've been here to the
Pacific Northwest, you know what it's like. I had a
friend that just came out here from Florida, him and
his wife, traveling through, and I said Jerry to look
into the woods off the side of a highway and he's, man,
you can't see ten yards. It's like I told you,
it's beautiful and mysterious and crazy. We couldn't see anything

(17:29):
but the footfall. And he remembers it. He's all, it
sounded like just a big person, like a person that
was just big and clunching and making stepping through whatever.
And then I remembered that we didn't get freaked out
because we thought it was just a person. But looking
back on it now, with the streams the summer before

(17:52):
and that, now, I'm thinking, who knows, maybe it just
shattered us for a while, But I do know that
eventually it just went away and we can't for the night.
That was it. We didn't have any experiences after that,
but Higatt Lake in southern Oregon, between that and Howard Prairie,

(18:16):
you know those trails back there. Watch what you're doing.
I'll tell you that. Keep an eye out, look for tracks,
listen to things, as you never know. That place is
thick forest, beautiful, but thick. And those are the things
that we have experienced led me into Bigfoot. That really

(18:36):
that and finding those tracks sent me over the edge.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Okay, totally gotcha. So for context for listeners a little bit,
so that Elderberry Flats area, it is way out there,
like it's over thirty miles from Rogue River, and it's
thirty miles east in the woods roundabouts from Wolf Creek,
which is another that area is pretty wild for other reasons.
But also what do you say it is? Yeah, you've

(19:04):
got the Oregon Vortex by Wimer issue a little bit.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's down around Gold Hill, it's up Starting Creek, and
if you could drive even further back up in there,
eventually you'd run into that Elderberry Flats area. And oh yeah,
that's right. I almost forgot one more thing. So I
was camping, I forgot about this, and I've actually remembered

(19:27):
what I told this one to a good friend of mine,
William Jebney, And I'm sure you've heard of him. Oh yeah, yeah,
So I remember I was camping with a friend of
mine and his wife and their little kid. I forgot
about this. I was thinking about it this morning and
almost space it. We were at Elderberry Flats and this
was probably twenty years later. We were camping and maybe

(19:50):
not twenty years but we were camping there at Eldeberry Flats.
We decided to try some gold painting for the fun
of it, because we're just crazy enough to Marie. We
were there and there's this the creek. There is rocky,
there's lots of river rock all around. That was very creek. There,
there's a mountain of control of a mountain hill. It's
just tall and you couldn't lock up it because it's

(20:12):
just so steep, and it's full of brush, trees, you
name it. And we're camping there for the night and
I'm they got this little partition in their tank. They
have little partitions. So him and his wife and the
little liners sleeping on the other side of the partition.
I'm on this side. And it was probably man, it

(20:33):
was the wee hours of the night, two o'clock in
the morning, something like that, and all of a sudden,
her little three year old or two two year old
three year old just lets out this screen a scream,
and we're all sitting up all of a sudden, and
as we sat up, we heard something from behind the

(20:55):
tent and it was heavy footed and it went thudd, splashed, thud.
That creek where we were at was at least I'm
guessing twelve feet maybe a little more. Whatever it was
hit that creek and was on the other side in
the stride. And then all of a sudden we hear

(21:16):
this just as thing moving up that hill in front
of us, just crashing through it. My buddy grabs his gun.
He pops out of that tent. I pop out after
him with a flashlight, and that noise stopped instantly. We
were flashing that light up there and looking around for anything.

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We were looking around the tent a little bit. You
can't see any footprints or anything like that because it's
not sandy there. There's river rock. The only bit of
sand that we had is where our tent was, because
we pulled the rocks out earlier as many as we could.
And after a few minutes we looked what the heck
was that because it had it was thudd splashlight. This

(22:00):
is bipeedle. So we all get back in the Toyota
four runner and that's where we slept the rest of
the night until we got in the morning. We packed
everything up and left. And that was years later, decade
and a half whatever, And it's basically about I would
estimate about two to three miles from where me and

(22:21):
my mom found the tracks years earlier. It was unbelievable.
I told my body as I do, that was a
big books big foot. Yeah, I thought splash, flood and
then just something just crashing and running up the side
of that hill in the middle of the night. You

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can't see anything out there. It's pitch black, and.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
You're so far away from civilization. People they can drive
up there, but it's like middle of the night, dude,
that's crazy. I've heard so many weird things from southern
Oregon and I've never visited it yet. I have. I'd
spend a lot of time in the Oakage area, and
I've visited up to Estacada and Colton this last year,

(23:11):
but I've never been to southern Oregon. And it just feels,
even through the stories that there is there just like
a really weird vibe down there. It just some really
strange stuff happens.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I would say that if there's a couple places that
I think that if you ever come back, you should visit. Okay, Now,
these places are very eerie. That's there's a lot. I
get a lot of anecdotal stories and things from people
from these places. It's one of them's, Like I think

(23:43):
it's the Twin Lakes area up off the North Umpquah
and I actually I can if there was some these
trees and not in my way out of my house,
I could see the south Upklaw River, but up the
North Umpclah up around the Twin Lakes area, there are
or yeah, there are people with some strange stories about

(24:03):
creepy things the other place. If you're looking and you
want to do some research, I highly suggest you always
go with somebody one or two other people, make sure
that you're armed. But I'm sure you've heard this one too.
It's up a round towards Crater Lake and there's what

(24:25):
is that place called they have cabins and everything Union
Creek Union Creek, And I'm telling you right now, the
Union Creek and that little corridor up there between that
and there's a turn off that goes up to Crater Lake.
There are many little side, little forest roads you can
go down, and I've camped out there before, and i'll

(24:46):
tell you what, there's been some moments where it's like
the hair on the back of your neck raises and
you're just like, what in the heck is around Cougar there? Wolf?
People always say there's no wolves in some other organs.
As a matter of fact, we have about three hundred
and sixty just up around a pass in the Qui
National Force. I mean in southern Oregon area, just running

(25:08):
around that place. I have heard more story from there
than I think anywhere else in southern Oregon. But there's
plenty of Oregons.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay. So that's really interesting because I just talked to
a hunter and this is episode eight eighty three that
just came out a few days ago, and it was
all about Union Creek in Prospect, and I was blown
away out. Oh yeah, it was nuts the stuff he
was telling the.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Prospect Prospect is my dad. Eventually, after the mills started
shutting down, he started a carpet cleaning business and we
used to actually go out to Prospect here and there.
We had a few regular customers and we drive all
the way out there for them, and that town is
so funny because they were like, I'm like, why do
you have a rifle or a handgun by the door,

(25:57):
And they're like mountain lions. They come right through the
yard constantly, and it's just it is. It's in the
It's a little town in the middle of nowhere, and
you start getting out in that area of between Prospects
and Union Creek and that's what it's Crater Lake. I'm
telling you, that place.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Is wild, absolutely And can you think of any maybe
reports or stories that you were given over the years
from that area.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I remember I had one of my best ones I
had heard was one pack Plastic. But I have to
go back and listen to it myself. It's done a
long time, but I remember there was one up there
and they were, I delete, staying at the cabins, and
it was a very harassing moment for them. So I

(26:50):
don't remember the details of it. In a while. I'm
fifty four now, I'm starting to get boggy memory.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, I'm starting to get there.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
There has been a lot of anegy I had. I
believe there was somebody once that had told me she
was up there and she was getting mushrooms. She was
doing a morale mushrooms and she said that she was
being something was circling her constantly, and she said it
was bipedal. It was walking, and she figured it might

(27:22):
have been a forest person, but she was like the
football was very heavy, and she swears she heard some
sort of deepa glunt or something and it didn't sound human,
and it didn't sound like bear, because she's been pretty
close to bear before Black Bear up there. And that

(27:42):
one was another one that I thought was pretty interesting.
And she was actually up off of the Union Creek
kind of flows down through there and if you get
tend to create a laking pull a home on these
forest roads. It was a place where I had camped before.
And I like to apply fish a little bit in
that creek because it's kind of wide, they're deep, and
there's a big meta open area that leads into just mountains.

(28:05):
Those are really pretty. But she was up there doing
some morales and that was su experienced and yeah, she
didn't last long. She got back in her vehicle and
left the area.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, that lines up with what, yeah, what that individual
told me. I've had two different individuals tell me that
really this area, it can get really aggressive. And the
hunter specifically told me that it's like west of the
Rogue River or two thirty. It can get really wild
from the reports he's heard from other hunters, which is

(28:39):
very interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I think anywhere that's of below the Union Creek
side of Crater Lake and in between Union Creek and
Crater Lake, I think more people should spend more time
there doing research, just because it's there's just too many stories, too.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Many exactly, and I haven't heard it come up on
I listened to a few other shows, and I haven't
heard it really come up. I know there's some people
checking out the Diamond Lake area, but this like holy
Union Creek prospect area, it's just man at the festival
and Oakridge, people were talking about Klamath Falls. They were

(29:21):
like sightings in Klamath all over the place. But yeah,
this Union Creek prospect, it wasn't really coming up. So
it's I think, yeah, people need to check it out.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I like Diamond Lake and Loamolo Lake up there in between.
I've had people give me I've actually got some I
think two or three most of my stuff. We'll talk
about it a bit here but it's anecdotical stuff. It's
just people tell me some basic paragraph or two of
what they experienced. I've got two or three. I think
that I'm going to be working on for some short

(29:52):
stories here in the next month. I think it is.
It comes from that area and we camp up there
a lot. As a family. We ei to go to
the We go up towards Lamolo Lake. So yeah, which
is just a hot skipping and jump from Diamond Lake.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's fantastic. In your reports or accounts that you've taken
from over the years, do you ever get ones that
are they're just weird. And I've heard multiple ones from
out there where it sounds like there's stuff like portals involved.
Do you ever get anything like that?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, this kind of dives into something that I guess
we can head into that now. A lot of people
and ask me, O me is what you'll ask me?
What do I think bigfoot is? I do not believe
that you need a degree to be knowledgeable or understand
any topic anything. I don't care. If it's brain surgery,
I don't care. If it's bigfoot, I don't care. If

(30:50):
it's industrial pipe fitting, I don't care. I have done
a lot of reading over the years. I love science,
and not just from a spiritual standpoint in seeing the
life of my father change. My dad was a very
bad man for a long time and it became a

(31:12):
very good man. But I did a lot of reading.
I liked science, and it led me to one basic
conclusion that can't be beat. I am a creationist at
the heart. That's just it. You can't have something for nothing.
I'm fining proved it. So I started thinking about the

(31:33):
whole Bigfoot thing. Where does that sit in? And I
hear the stories too, how portals and the demons. I
got to church, man, and I'm a believer in a
good Lord. And I'll tell you this right now, there's
Christian Gager. I get them both eating at church. I'll
tell you this. I've had people come to me and say, man,

(31:55):
I own l Coney and I've heard some crazy stuff
out there. He's all they are, just like I've heard
some the crazy stuff. And then I get the folks, folks,
the person here there just they want to have nothing
to do with it. To them, it's like the hordes
devil are faking people out and whatever. For me, it

(32:16):
is real. For me, it is I believe the mohammeded
thing human bigfoot thing. No, that's absolutely impossible. I know
that's hard to say and hard to take for some people.
But the DNA just it doesn't work out. It doesn't.
I have the same character I share characteristics with a rat.

(32:37):
But that's because we all live in under the same biosphere.
We're going to share certain things with almost everything. It's
just how we were created. We live in this biosphere,
so we share things. I believe that this thing did
come here from the land bridge that was here for

(32:57):
a very long time until the flood and then it receded.
The land bridge was made, and I think that they
came here, that gigantopithic is, if you will, that it
moved here, just like Native Americans everybody's all, they're the
original people here. And actually they moved over here too.
They migrated, and I think that that bigfoot had migrated

(33:21):
as well. And I think it's not just the Pacific Northwest.
I think it's pretty much all over the country and
all over the world, and I think they migrated. That's
what I believe. Do I believe in portals and things
like that. Personally, Jeremiah, I do not. I don't. I've
never I've heard the stories. I've heard those things. It's

(33:42):
just for me to be honest. It just there are
things out here that people are like, Man, I want
to believe. I want to believe, but I hear all
these crazy things and if I get it, I totally understand.
I really do. And I'm not going to sit there
and be rate some money or argue with it part
of portals or anything like that. I'm just saying I

(34:02):
don't believe that. I don't. I believe this thing is
a well adapted eight that has been around here longer
than in any than weak in this country as that's
for sure. Yeah, I think it's been around for a
long time.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
So that that's very interesting and Okay, So I am
right there with you with pretty much your background that
that you just shared, Like, I am also a Christian
the way that I just want to clarify for you things.
So you are saying that you're also like a creationist
when it comes to religion as well, and you can't.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Have something from nothing right, absolutely impossible, and I believe that. Yeah,
when they two by two went on the ark, two
of these things went on the arc, I believe they
were there. I believe that these things populated years. I
believe they migrated throughout the world, and I believe that
they like that they adapt adapted to particular geographical areas

(35:10):
thick woods, heavy woods. People talk about it in the Midwest,
and I'm thinking to myself, I don't remember there being
lots of woods in the Midwest. But then all of
a sudden, I start watching things among my favorite channels,
small Town Monsters, right, And I'm looking at these like
huge places where it's just thick trees and creeks and
plenty of vegetation, and I'm like, not to mention, there's

(35:31):
fields of corn and whatever they can eat. And I'm thinking,
you know what, I'm wrong. I think they can be
there too.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
So so you're holding more to the gigantapithecus theory. It
sounds like yeah, dah.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, yeah, And I was, and I know that so
far the majority of people that I've talked to about
as well, it's an animal, but this thing is highly
intelligent and it is well adapted.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
What I hear is yeah, a lot of people, and
there's going to be so much discussion in this one.
In the comics are going to get wow. But a
lot of people I talk to are saying physical creature
that can do things that science cannot explain currently. That's
what I hear a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, but the thing is about science. People are always
sometimes I think, even me and I love science, I
think sometimes we put a little too much and we
put our faith into it a little bit too much.
But somebody tells me we decided to have a discussion
about portals and Bigfoot doing phasing in and out of
this whatever, I don't know reality to another one. I'll

(36:47):
have that discussion all day long. I don't mind it.
I'm not going to be rate anybody for what they believe.
That's what they believe, that's what they've experienced and arbit
for me. But I love to have the discussions, and
I think that's great. It's always I think the world
needs a little bit of that right now. Sure, and
a little bit more discussing. Absolutely the only in fighting

(37:08):
and arguing and making bad comments on a social post.
I think conversations are much better. But yeah, as far
as what I know and what I've read, I'm you know,
I'm in the John Green category with it. This is
an animal and it is real and it's highly intelligent
and well adapted to its environment.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Gotcha. And the great thing about taking people's reports and
documenting them and letting them get it off their chest
is you're not just because you take that report doesn't
mean that you believe or let me just say this.
You can believe it, but it's not like you're taking
it in as your personal belief just because you listen

(37:50):
to this person's report. At least that's how I look anyways,
That's how I try to view. So that's that being said.
Have you noticed a pattern from things that you are
taking in over the years that there are a lot
of people that are experiencing things like I don't know

(38:13):
if you could say highest rangers or paranormal things associated
with Bigfoot, like a portal or something.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I hear that in on a lot of the different
podcasts and videos out here and things like that. I
hear that a lot, and it is becoming a little
more and more frequent that the encounter stories that we
hear are they're starting to get pretty wild. Personally, my

(38:42):
belief is and if anybody gets mad at this, that's okay,
I don't mind. I'm pretty relaxed. Yeah, I think sometimes
that that adds to it really doesn't help the credibility
of the actual research down out here into this subject. It.
You've got some great people out here from Cliff Brickland too,

(39:05):
I've run into as matter of fact, I've got pictures
of my kids with Bob Gemmlin and I'm telling you
that the rese of William Junning and small town monsters,
these guys out here doing real research. I think sometimes
that the wildness kind of distracts or detracts from what
people you don't you know, an't really sitting on the

(39:28):
fence or maybe just learning about it. I think it
detracts from that. I think it it throws people in
the over the edge. This is too much, this is
too crazy now. And that's why I like the pure research,
the real research into this. And when I see people

(39:48):
like Cliff Berrickland and all those guys doing pure research
out in the woods, I watch. I'll gobble that up
on YouTube and podcasts. I'll eat it up all day
long because it's just reel. It's real people doing real
research and into something that's real.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Far I'm concerned, So I get it. I totally do.
So you hear things like a bigfoot can move in
front of something and totally like camouflage or disappear into
that tree or that bush. But then if you hear
that an octopus can do the same thing, then that

(40:29):
doesn't sound as crazy, right, So it's like, why.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You have to look at it like this, Did the
octopus actually disappear a camouflage, right? A camouflage? Yes, yeah,
so can a bigfoot camouflage? Can a bigfoot blend into
its environment? I believe so. I believe, especially when people
tell me, man, I saw this stone that was like

(40:55):
eight feet tall, crazy looking eye and then all of
a sudden it moves. You think it's a stump because
it's so still. It's camouflage into it's got similar colors
to the trees and the bark and the foliage around it. Sure,
it's like trying to find us green sniper. It's just

(41:17):
you're probably not going to find him, and until it's
too late, you're not going to because it didn't really disappear.
It's just camouflage. But that makes it real.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
It is going back to something a few minutes ago.
It is fun to imagine maybe they're too bigfoot on
the arc that would be weird. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I don't know. I wasn't there. All I know is
the evidence that I have read about.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah. But the interesting thing is that when I talk
to a lot of people that have religious backgrounds or
they bring up the Bible or Christianity, most of them
when they talk about Bigfoot, will talk about Bigfoot is
a nephylm bad Genesis six. And so it's interesting to
hear you not bring that up too, which is cool,

(42:10):
you kind of have a different view.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, And I've had people actually bring that up to me,
and I already shot that down because if you actually
look up the original text in Hebrew and stuff talking
about nephylin then you'll understand that's not even compatible whatsoever,
not even close. No, that is an impossibility. And the

(42:33):
nephylom were not They weren't some sort of of They
weren't an eight. It wasn't an animal, it wasn't anything
like that. A nephylm was basically a half breathe. It
was basically just that there were giants back then, and

(42:54):
there were giant people. When David took that slingshot, he
took more than one stone. Why because he was afraid
that Golias brothers were going to come after it. There
was more than one Golias. He had family and that's

(43:15):
why he took more stones. And people talk about methyl
and stuff like that, but that has everything to do
with angeology. Demonology makes breed fallen angels. That has nothing
to do with the actual physical a lot to do
with the physical world here in animals that God created.

(43:40):
This is an animal and it's just highly intelligent and
well it happened. That's you know what. Some people are like,
that's too simple of an answer. It's like God said,
if I use the simple thing to confound the wise.
He said that directly, and sometimes things are just that simple.
And that's a wonderful thing about science is because we
study things and we find out the simple answer. It's

(44:03):
usually explained by Alkham's razors. Simple answer tends to be
the correct one.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's really interesting and listeners are like, what in the
world is going on right now? None of this was planned, guys,
we're just chatting. It's actually conversation.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
And to me, everything that I usually most of the
anecdotal stuff and the little reports that I get from
people and little stories, this thing has nothing but physical
traits most of the time. There's a few, there's a
couple here and there that get a little off beat,
and I scratched my head a little bit, and I
try to reason that in my head, but it's just

(44:48):
for the most part. But like you and most most
of the encounters that we hear, it's just the physical creature.
I'll take it at that for now.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Do you ever get the reports where people are like
for some reason, these are always really fun where it's
like what I saw looked exactly like a big orangutan.
Have you ever gotten any of those?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah? Yeah, I've had cinnamon color orange iorrrang and tang
even the ring is tinge face if a rainy kine
is the word I've had. I've actually had quite a
few over the years, over the last decade of people,
especially that kind of cinnamon orange color and like a
burnt cinnamon color. I've had those that rang and tany

(45:36):
looking long arms, a little bit of a belly, big
chested but tall, that walked more when it was erected,
walked but had that bended to knee, and that real swift,
ghostly like Wockett has at Gate. Yeah, I've heard of
people that explained facial features and the look resemblance of

(46:00):
an er anything.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, it's just it's very weird stuff. I hear a
lot of that from Prince of Wales Island in southeast Alaska.
Is there a report that comes to mind. Let's say,
if you know you were to only take one report
from your years of listening to people and taking accounts,

(46:23):
is there one that really sticks out to your mind?
That's wow? That one. If I could only live with
that one, that would be the one.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
It would be the goat Man. It was one of
my earlier ones when I was on pack with Bigfoot
and I actually met the goat Man. Sometimes when I
was skateboarding through ashal you'd be at the McDonald's of
an agency and water because they have a lot of
money or anything, and sometimes you did some money that
you'd be selling, some stuff that you would make to stop.

(46:53):
And whatever he was, he was it was seen in
this girlfriend that lives up towards the Coolstein Valley, but
he was in the town from time to time and
we'd stopped buying and hang out with goat Man and
stuff like that. Then he told me this crazy tale
and I tried to write it out the best I
could as a short story writer. And remember the girlfriend

(47:16):
was sick and his wife was sick, and it's following
into town for medication and going back he is just
massively harassed by a big foot. And it was the
craziest story I'd ever heard. Now, I came from the
goat man, and if you knew this guy, you'd be like,
but I'll tell you what. It was fascinating. He had

(47:38):
all of our attention. We weren't even thinking skateboarding at
the time, and shot me. I was a skateboarder, and
we just sat there for must have been an hour
just intently listening to the goat man tell us his story.
And it's still on there on tackles stick foot, so
it's It was intense and it was crazy. There wasn't

(47:59):
any any of the spiritual side of interne. It was
just straight up animal that was just harassing it. And
I was like, wow, that's crazy. So yeah, that was
probably my favorite old hippie gat He was just he
was funny, crazy, But man, what a story.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
That's awesome. I love being able to document stories like
that so that they're not lost the time, which is
I think is extremely important. John Green used to do.
As we were talking about him earlier, I'd love to
talk about this new channel that you have for a minute,
because you have so PacWest Bigfoot. You still have as

(48:43):
a channel, but you started a new channel. Correct.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yes, I'll be doing a little video on why it changed.
But briefly, it first it came down to for some
personal reasons, I got busy. Things also changed in twenty
twenty with algorithms. I used to be an SEO Internet
marketer for businesses and people and stuff like that for
a while. But because Google changed some algorithms in there

(49:10):
in twenty twenty, which actually you can ask a lot
of people back then, they'll tell you that their rankings
were hurt. Things happened. It ended up being so broad
that it hurt a lot of channel people were very upset.
I was one of them, and so that happens. And also,

(49:30):
while I get along with just about everybody in the community,
whether we believe in portals or not, there was I
took it personally at the time, but there was a
few shots made at me, and to be honest, and
I'm sorry to all your attack West Bigfoot followers out
there at the time, but I shouldn't have. But I
took them personal and next shutdown for a while and

(49:52):
it wasn't there, which is two or three, and I
remember a couple of those people not much long as
weeks after that I actually called me and apologized. One
of them didn't, but a couple of them did, and
that kind of that made me feel better. I'll tell you,
if you're doing pure research out here and you're doing
your saying, don't do what I did, don't shut down,

(50:15):
keep going, keep recording, keep just keep on the journey,
don't stop forget what other people say. Let it go,
take the good, let the bad go, or else you'll
end up what I did, doing what I did, And
I shut down. And then I shut down until this

(50:37):
last fall about a year ago, and then I started
writing again at the behest of a lot of people
started messaging me on Facebook and Instagram and emailing me
and saying, man, sure, we love a story. And then
my mom was like, get a story out there or
getting grounded. I was like, Mom, I'm in my fifties.
I was around me now she's at wart bet And

(51:02):
after all of those years of being online successfully, I
ended up going back to work, and today I work
for a public school system, and I find out that
I got all morning until afternoon free time to explore
up the road at the Northern Claw. I can write

(51:25):
and do things now that I have time for in
my life. And I just had a my very first
grand kid born, a little boy, and my son was like,
I sure would love to read those stories to him,
and that got the cockles of my heart. And I
started up again on a channel called Where Bigfoot Roams

(51:45):
and there just to let everybody know, I'll do some interviews,
but I'm not going to do the interviews as many
as I used to do. I prefer to listen to interviews.
I love it here on the society. I love Creek
Devil Saskaw chronicles. I love listening to a small town Monsters.

(52:07):
I watched them all the time. I'm like listening to
the interviews more than I like doing them. To be honest,
I've always been a short story writer, a creative writer,
and it was always more appealing to me for the

(52:29):
entertainment side of the subject. To be honest, a lot
of people sometimes tell me, like, yeah, I'm listening to interviews.
I read all these books and all this stuff, but
sometimes I just want to be entertained. And I heard
that over the last few months, and so I decided
that I will just focus mostly in on taking that

(52:54):
three sentences or three paragraphs that's an the little story
from somebody and turning it into a short story for
people to just relax do. I had a grandmother emailed
me and said, I used to read your pack lists
Bigfoot stories to my grandkid every single night, and now
I've got a new grandkid and I'm looking forward to

(53:17):
reading those stories to her at night. And to me,
that is what that's what makes me tick in the end,
is to let you guys out there do a lot
of those interviews and listen and learn, whereas I can

(53:41):
be more of the bedtime story guy, where I take
some based on true anecdotal stuff and turn it into
a nice short story for someone to just enjoy.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I think that's great. Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, And I will be heading into doing some children's
books based around Bigfoot characters.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Oh man, really.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
It'll be fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
It just hit me the It hit me about a
week ago and I was like, you know what, oh,
and just by and by the way, you guys, these
are not AI written. I write my own stuff. I
do my own stuff. The only thing I use AI
for is images. That's it. Yeah, do not write with AI.
I find it. Yeah, I find it. I'll be honest

(54:32):
with you. I find the cheat. It's cheating. I think
you need to come up with these stories. I think
that writing children's books yourself is an honest way of
going about it. I really do. Everybody's got some creativity
in them, I think, and you should use it.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I think that's great. Yeah, that's why I enjoy actually
talking to people directly and recording that in the things
that come out of that organic conversation can never be
replicated by anything else. It's just it's completely yeah. Yeah, yeah,
and good stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
This.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I have been wanting to talk to you for a while, David,
and I was always like, I wonder if he'll ever
come back. So I'm glad that you came back in
this way. It was great to talk to you. Yeah.
Do you ever show up at any festivals or conferences
just taking it in or.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
We'd have a I was invited the last year or
two to the One Out and Glide here those organs.
I haven't gone yet. But I decided this next go
around next year during summer whenever it is, I decided
that I'm going to show up and walk around and
have lunch and just enjoy the folks walking around. If

(55:51):
anybody recognizes me, great and I said hi, conversations into
the day the rest of the day. But I haven't
been to one years, to be honest, is it something
I go out of my way for. I still have
three kids at home out of five. Sure, so life
is very busy for us and those of this. My

(56:12):
wife and I work during the summer. I work during
the day and I work ten hour shifts and so
we could have three days off. But it doesn't mean
that I ain't tired, because I do physical labor now
and it's tiring. Sometimes. Our camping trips are about what
we do during the summer. But I am looking forward
to doing that at least going to the Glide Festival

(56:34):
every year starting this next year.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
That's fantastic. Yeah, there's some there's some really good ones
out there in Oregon. That's one of them. The Oakridge
one is great. Sasquat Summer Fest is so many cool things.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
To the last one, I think the last one I
was at was beach Foot. That was years ago.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yep, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
That was pretty cool. That's yeah, where my kids met
mister Himlin. Took pictures with them and talked to him
for he loved They ended up writing some letters back
and forth a little while, and it was just he
is just a wonderful guy. I have to tell you,
he was just a wonderful man. He is he is
love kids, and you could just tell it was just

(57:15):
a great man.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
That is. That is really cool to hear, Actually, to
hear that side about someone you might not normally hear.
But David, it has been really fun having you on
the show. I want to make sure that you're able
to share everything that you wanted to. I think we
had a good conversation. Yeah, it's great, fantastic. I've got

(57:39):
one one other thing for you. But thank you so
much for being on the show today.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yes, of course, thank you so very much. Man.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
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