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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bigflett Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us, all right, Bicklett Society. You've got
the privilege of talking to Carrie today. Carrie's a listener
of the show that reached out to me about some
things that have been experienced out there in Massachusetts. And
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always am interested to hear things that have happened in
that state, as that's where I grew up. But Carrie,
welcome to the show today. How's it going.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's going great.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
How are you doing good? We're having a good day
in Iowa. It's starting to get a little cooler, so
you know, clear skies a year. It's great, it's great.
We'll probably have corn mazes up before you know it.
So we like that nice nice, so good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Great.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, Carrie, it sounds like you've had some interesting things
happen with you and your children over the years out
there in Massachusetts. So you're welcome to take us back
when you guys were experiencing the things that happened to
you out there.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Sure. Okay, this is back in two thousand and eight
when this occurred, and I had forgotten about it. Honestly,
I just didn't really think anything of it. And I
was listening to one of your podcasts that you interviewed
some guy Chris from Hamden. He grew up in Hamden,
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was talking about when he went to U Math and
would go to his mom's on the weekend, and when
he and a friend were going back to you mass
on a Sunday, the sun was setting and they were
on Route nine, like near Quabin, I think, and they
saw a bigfoot go across the road. And further in
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that you had asked him, Hey, has anyone in your
area that you know of have seen the same thing,
and he was saying that some guy where his son
is on his son's baseball team actually researches, Bigfoot goes
looking for it, and he told him of his experience,
and the guy had told him that he had seen
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or he know someone that had seen an albino one.
And that's what triggered my memory of what we saw
in Agwon. So this was back in two thousand and
eight and I lived like kind of near the river,
and I was raising my two boys, and my youngest son,
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he was probably like thirteen at the time, and he
told me and my older son that he had been
looking out the living room window, which I had a
huge backyard, and it abutted a park that had just
been put in, like the first phase of the park
was put in School Street Park, and he looked out
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the window and he said that you saw like an
albino looking orange tang with its arms up in the
air running across our yard.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It had its arms up like the way orangutangs run
like that goofy run. He like imitated it and showed us.
So my older son and I were like, okay, and
we laughed about it. But you know, my son wasn't
someone that would embellish stories or make things up, so
I believe them, you know, And I just thought at
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the time, oh, well, maybe someone's exotic pet had gotten
loose or something. So anyways, like a week later, I'm
in the car with my older son and we're driving
down School Street. We see the same exact monkey. It
was an albino looking orangutang, but it was running on
all fours like it was like galloping across School Street,
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and it was probably maybe fifteen feet in front of
our car and it ran into like the wooded section
on School Street, and we were like, oh my wow.
He wasn't kidding. He really did see this thing. So
that's what triggered my memory is when the man mentioned
that someone had seen a white sasquatch in the clob in,
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and then I listened to another podcast of yours where
the guy that was living in Pelham with his girlfriend
they saw as well in the clob in. So I
don't know, you know, at the time, I thought, well,
also not maybe that it was an exotic animal that
got loose, maybe from Forest Park Zoo, but I never
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or remember Forest Park Zoo having an albino orang a thing.
And just to make sure that I was jarring my
memory correctly as far as the height, of this thing.
I asked my sons separately about it, and I said,
all right, my youngest one, I asked him, how tall
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do you think the thing was? And he said only
three feet? And then I asked my older son separately,
you remember when we sat running across the street. He
said yeah. I mean, I said, how tall do you
think that was if we saw it standing up? And
he said probably like three feet. So I'm going to
go with that because I was thinking four to five feet.
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But if there's two out of three of us that
are saying three feet, I'll go with what they remember,
and I can send you like I'll emil you after,
like a map of the area. It's not like heavily
wooded with which is another thing I think, like that's
really strange, like because I didn't ever hear of any
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neighbors or anyone else seeing this thing either, which was weird.
You know, I don't know's that's what our experience was,
and your podcasts jarred my memory about it. And I've
always been like interested in Bigfoot since I was little
and not sure like if I believe in it or not,
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but I don't know. I've been on a kick lately
listening to podcasts, and I am like a thousand percent
convinced they're real. There's just too many sightings. And now
with you know, people having cameras on their cell phone,
you're actually seeing footage that you can tell is not
AI or by people's reaction that there's something here, this
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is real. You know. Another thing that I thought was
interesting too. I was listening to a podcast a few
days ago, and I don't know if you ever heard
of Nino from Anno's Corner, but he had this guy
on called Steve on how to Hunt and sure, yeah,
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oh you know who he is? Yeah, okay, well he
was on Nino's podcast. They were talking about bigfoot, and
they were talking about the cloaking issue, and Steve said,
you know, like there's been times that people see handprints,
their fingerprints on their cars or on stuff, and it's
always oily, or people that have obtained hair samples say
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it's like oily. So this Steve guy, you couldn't remember
who the scientist was that took the hair and put
it in a peach tree dish and put it like
under a microscope and he squeezed the follicle of the
hair and oil started coming out and when he ended
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up putting like an electromagnetic field to it, it turned translucent.
So I found that interesting. And he said another thing
that kind of connects to that is he said that
people had reported when they use EMF detectors around them
and if they know they're around them or sightings, they
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say that the EMF detectors go off. Yes, it's I
found interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh yeah, you heard of that, So I've heard of
the EMF stuff. I had not heard that other saying
where there was oil coming out of the hair, which
that's pretty cool. I would be interesting to listen to that.
If anyone has a link for that specific interview, they
maybe put it in the comments. But yeah, that's really
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really interesting stuff. I have a few questions or maybe
comments about what you guys saw on IGUAM. It's so
interesting because a lot of people listening, if you're familiar
with Massachusetts, are going to be like, but that's in
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the middle of Springfield, which is one of the biggest
cities in Massachusetts. But I would say I would say
to these guys that are saying that, look at the
map and then look at other similar things that have
happened in other large cities, such as the sightings in
Omaha that are happening by the zoo. In this situation,
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you're right across the Connecticut River from the zoo in
Forest Park, which is what you've already mentioned. This also
is happening. Sightings are happening down in Kansas City, Missouri,
in a at least one house area that is close to
the green space that has the zoo in it as well.
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So there's maybe this pattern that is starting to arise
where there's sightings that are happening in larger cities. If
there's a green space slash zoo with animals, it's very
very weird. But even weirder still is that, you know,
because I looked up real quick because I was curious.
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You know, what's the height of an orangutan if it's
running an adult female? It says an adult female is
about three point three to four feet tall, an adult
male is four to five feet I think that's very interesting.
I might actually even give them a call after this,
just to check on some things. But as you stated yourself,
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I mean, it sounds like you didn't see any escaped
animals in that time in the news or anything like that, right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
No, nothing. No, and I you know, because and it
did occur. I thought about it, like, h have I
ever heard of, you know, an albino orangutang at Forest Park?
And I hadn't, and I don't. I don't remember back
in two thousand and eight if there was Google, the
Google stuff, so I then I if there was, I
would have Googled it, you know. But yeah, I don't
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remember if Google was available back then or not. But yeah, yeah,
And you know, I wanted to ask you this too.
I remember. I think you interviewed the guy who lived
in Pelham right with his girlfriend that saw the white
stop squatch and Clobin. Oh yeah, So during that podcast
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you did tell him that you also had heard from
another person that said said a white looking orangutang and
you asked him if he had ever heard of anybody.
So do you remember what town that was from or
or were you thinking it was me that reported it
to you?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well, let's see, so the gentleman there's the route is
south of the Kabbin around Swift River, that one you mentioned,
and then there was a recent one I did where
there was a gentleman who's also written a book, and
that was around uh that was around Pelham. Yeah, he
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mentioned the actual there's a big peninsula there too, some
things happening around that, the Prescott Peninsula is what it's called.
There's some footprints found around there. I mean, I've actually
heard things all around the Cobbin. It's just there's certain
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things that I really can't get into, but I can
say I've heard stuff east of just east of the
Coabbin and maybe other places as well. So, I mean,
there's so much forest around that reservoir, as you know,
I think there's actually that's all around the entire thing.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, oh no, no doubt, no doubt. So there's like
stuff that people have told you that you can't talk about.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, I so just to kind of behind the scenes thing.
I never there's about half the stuff I hear is
stuff that people just want to talk to me about,
and they are very concerned about even having their voice
out there, even if it's an alias, which is totally understandable.
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But yeah, there's there's some things that I just tuck
away in the back of my mind and if they
ever get to the point where, you know, they want
to come on the show, that's perfectly fine. But uh, yeah,
there's there's stuff all around the coab And besides, you know,
I'm starting to put together a siting map on on
the website of things that I've been told on the
show at Big for Society podcast dot com. And really
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there should be dots all around the reservoir. It's just
not all this public.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So yeah, and it makes sense, like you said, because
the area is so vast, and you know, this is
where I do feel bad, like think about it. You know,
people come across this stuff where they probably don't believe
in it to begin with, and then you're scared about
coming across this, and then people think you're a whack
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job when you share the story of it, you know,
and this flips people's reality upside down, you know, like
that that's setting for people, you know like it because
I do truly believe there's been so many people that
have experienced it. And it's not just throughout the United States.
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I mean there's reports all over the world, you know,
like Vietnam. Our Vietnam soldiers talked about rockets, you know, boulders.
It just so it just seems like these things have
existed or forest people some people want to call them
forest people, And I find it interesting where some say
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that U some are good and some are bad, just
like the human race. You know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Absolutely. Another interesting thing about your area looking at it
is if you just go west, or not just west,
but a fair amount not too bad over to Grandville.
There's a ton of activity in Grandville over by the
Cobble Mountain area. I don't know if you're familiar with that.
Oh yeah, it's and I mean that's just outside of Westfield.
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So if you kind of look, I mean they could
go south of Westfield and then there's there's Robinson State Park,
you know, so there's in a way kind of a
connecting green space if you hop through some neighborhoods. But
it's just it's so interesting that area of Massachusetts. You know,
before you get over into the Berkshires, there's still stuff
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that goes on just outside of Westfield in Springfield.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Oh yeah, absolutely, one podcast I saw it. This would
be someone you probably would really like to interview. Have
you heard of Ernie de Vow.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, that's actually that is. I had him on the show.
It's a fascinating account with the sign language and everything.
It's episode eighty. If people want to listen to that.
But no, it was a really fun time chatting with him,
and his account is intense.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Oh it's so intense. I can't even imagine how he
was feeling like experiencing that. And it's convincing. You know.
You could tell the guy's not making it up because
I've listened to him tell his story twice, you know,
and nothing changes over the story. You know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
The Volgel Brothers are coming on soon, which they are
the ones I believe that that created the Cobble Mountain
Critter Festival that just started up last year, So we'll
probably be talking about that area again pretty soon. So
that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh that's cool. Now are they the two that it
was in the seventies? There were prints in their backyard
and the prince led.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I believe, so.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I know they because there are there.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I think they had an experience in New York as well.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, oh, okay, because I don't know who the brothers are,
but I heard of these brothers that I don't know
if they lived in West Springfield at the time or whatever,
but it was in the mid seventies. And it's funny
because when I listened to that podcast, I remember my
parents talking about it. When I was a kid. I
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was probably only like ten years old at the time,
and they claimed that they followed the prince into aguam
into Robinson State Park and I think there was snow
on the ground at the time. And then they said
it was a big like media storm at the time,
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and you know, they think that people like from either
the FBI or somewhere like showed up at their house
like questioning them and stuff about it. But I mean,
this was like mid seventies, you know, when people really
needn't talk about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But yeah, interesting, I did do a quick search about that,
and it looks like you are right on the money
with that. Yeah, it was nineteen seventy six, so we'll definitely,
I bet we'll be hearing about that in a few weeks.
But yep, Robinson State Park. So that's good to know.
(18:41):
This could definitely, you know, connect to that future interview
as well. Now I want to double check something with you.
So it was just your kids that had the sighting
or you as well me as well.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Okay, the first one to see it was my younger
son and we like laughed about it. But then a
week later, my older son was in the car with me.
We were on School Street and it ran on all
fours like, it was galloping like fast across School Street.
It was just in front of my car, and it
went into the woods like from where the park would
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be where School Street Park is, and it ran across
School Street into like where there's this wooded area that
if you look on a map, it's not a very
big wooded area. But eventually, like you could this thing
or whatever probably could like venture towards Connecticut. It's on
the border of Connecticut. Agum, you know. Yeah, So I
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don't And when you get over to Connecticut that way
there is like a lot of farm land and woods,
So I don't know. I'm sure if they don't want
to be seen, they know how to truk through woods
to not be seen.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You know absolutely when you had that sighting in front
of your car, So did you have a view then,
like a side view or a back view or what
kind of view? Did you actually have.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
A front view? It was in front of the car.
We were driving down School Street, okay, and it ran
it will whatever on all fours, galloped like across the
across the street, and it was fast, but it was
it was all white like an albino. So I mean
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it verified it, and I, you know, I believed my
younger son anyways, he wasn't like a kid that would
make stuff up. When my my older one and I
saw it, we were just like, wow, that's what he saw.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Absolutely, and so that's interesting. So you have that straight
on a view. So what you saw then, would you
say it was like one hundred percent what you've seen
in pictures of an orangutan or were there are things
that you noticed that were a little bit different and
maybe didn't really line up with an orangutan in some ways?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
No, I would say the body shape and everything was
like an orangutang, or the length of the arms or
you know, and the thing is like my older one
and I saw it in a different position where the
younger one he saw it running like an orangutang would
with his arms up in the air, like that goofy
type of run they have. You know, Yeah, I would say,
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because it wasn't like it wasn't huge, you know, it
was like of a thinner stature. It wasn't wasn't huge
like how people would describe like a bigfoot or something
more like an orangutang.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Absolutely did it on its face? Did it have large
flesh pads and like where the cheeks would be or
were those not pressed?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I just I really couldn't tell you because it
is in two thousand and eight, you know. And yeah,
and plus it happened so fast, like be able to
really observe details like that, it would be hard, you know,
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because it did this thing was fast.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Absolutely. The only the only reason I asked that is
it might be an interesting clue as to you if
it was a male or female, as in that species,
at least the males do look pretty different than females
because of that feature to the face.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So oh really yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Just uh you take a minute, take a minute after this,
look up some pictures and it's it's very interesting. You know,
usually male and females of the species look different, but
in this case, like they do look quite quite a
bit different, especially if you've ever seen him at the
zoo and you have like the you know, the the
big older male and just like that really round face
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because of the it's just very round looking in the
two little beady eyes in the center. It's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
They are so amazing to watch. I love watching him
at the Omaha Zoo. It's they are so so smart, but.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Wow, yeah, and they have characteristics of us. Oh so
now I'm kind of getting more where you were trying
to get at. If I saw a front view, I
saw a side view of the animal because he was
running in front of the car across the street, so
I would have saw a side view of its head,
you know what I mean. But I didn't like focus
so much on its head because I also at the time,
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I was like, wow, look at this, Like what am
I right?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That's cool, It's so good.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
But I'll tell you one thing I recently saw too,
like probably a year ago in Alabama, I saw an
albino peacock, which was weird. I didn't even know they existed,
and I had to google that, like did I really
just see what I just saw? And they are? They exist?
So I don't know if it's someone because there's a
lot of farmland north of Pensacola if you go into Alabama, okay,
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and you know, maybe someone just has an exotic peacock
on their farm or something.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But it's one of those things where where you never know.
But your story is really neat for a few reasons.
One of them is, as we mentioned before, in the
you know this area of Massachusetts, you know now Springfield
up to the coabb and there's these just reports of
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white creatures or white bigfoot and they look a little different,
but that is that is a pattern as well. And
you know, people that are listening to this, they may
stumbled onto it because they it's an Aguwam or Springfield, Massachusetts,
and that's kind of unique. But you know, for new listeners,
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I did grow up in Franklin County, which is up
you know, Northfield, and one of my goals with this
podcast is hopefully someday someone will have some experience they
can share from that area. I think it would be
really cool to talk to someone about a Northfielder or
that area. That's kind of a personal goal for me.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But yeah, have you a child grown up there? Have you?
Did you hear any reports? Has anyone seeing stuff?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So the funny thing is, like I used to watch
weird shows with my dad, right like in search of
and stuff. I thought I wasn't really into it, you know,
so I missed out all a lot. I only got
into it in my probably like mid maybe mid to
late twenties.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Time gets Oh, it was just I was in Iowa
and we found out about a local cryptid out here that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Flies.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It flew around a town called Van Meter in the
early nineteen hundreds, and so I got into that. I
got involved with a documentary that was being filmed by
small town Monsters, and they at the last minute they
had me do the interviews for it, and I was like,
I really like this like a lot. I'd never done
interviewing before and I was like, I love this, and
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so that gifted well, thank you, thank you. I'd never
done it before.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Then.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
This was back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and so.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
After that, I was like, yeah, let's start my own
thing and started a podcast and it worked out really
well because it was the next year was when people
couldn't leave their houses, so it was easy to get
a hold of people. But it didn't transfer over to
bigfoot stuff one hundred percent until probably a year and
a half to two years ago. And then I decided
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to focus one hundred percent on talking to witnesses that
had seen what they think is Bigfoot or something similar
in giving them an area to share what they've experienced,
and that's been I mean, that's just a whole different
rabbit hole. And I've been able to go to Oregon
and all sorts of places and have weird stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh that's cool. Good for you. Now when I've looked
at some stuff too. What are they called BFRORO or
the Bigfoot Research Association or something or BFRORO. Yeah, yeah,
I saw that they say that like the most sightings,
credible sightings have been in Washington State. Do you agree
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with that?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, you know, so BFROUS or Bigfoot Field Researchers or organization,
great organization, because you know they're one of the ones
where they're putting everything on a map and documenting, which
is great. I don't know, so I would say I
agree with them that if we're saying that Washington is
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the place with the most reports, yeah, totally. I don't
know about most credible. I think you can have credible
reports from I mean really anywhere in the US. There's
nothing I think from Hawaii. But other than that, I
mean you can have credible reports from anywhere. In my opinion,
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the most reports, I would say definitely it's going to
be in Washington State. From what I've seen, so I
would agree with that. But yeah, they do. They do
a lot of work, so they're good.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So yeah, it's good that people are researching it because
this is another thing that kind of bothers me too,
is why is it being hidden? You know, think about
that because I've also heard like an Eastern Texas if
you come across them, you're considered lunch, like you gotta
be careful. So you know, why is this being hidden
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where it could actually be a danger for people that
want to go hiking or think about the Appalation Trail,
how they say people go missing all the time. You know,
like what, I don't understand why this is being hidden?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I agree with you that it does a lot of times.
It feels like there are people that no more than
they're letting on. And I think we are at a
point over the last few years, and this is because
you know, thankfully there are a lot of different shows
(29:57):
that are focusing on this. And the way I I
look into it is if you keep putting stuff into
a bathtub, eventually it's just going to overflow and you
can't control it, right, It's just going to be everywhere.
That's what I kind of picture is you know, you've
got all these different shows and you're getting these actual
like when you have interviews and you're actually interviewing a witness,
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and it's like very like it's a very truthful account
because the person is actually sharing it. It's not like
a you know, you also have like people send in
reports and they can be read, which is great, but
I think actual audible interviews are good as well from
the witness. And I think if we keep going with that,
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eventually more and more people are just going to be
more comfortable, like, oh I can share now, It's okay.
Everyone's doing it. I've seen that happen over the last
few years. I think it's a really important thing that
people realize that hey, it's okay to share what happened.
I'm not going to be looked at as crazy anymore.
I'm not going to lose my job.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That there's something to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So yeah, I'll tell you when I even when I
talk to people that I believe in it now that
I kind of get laughed up to, you know, like
there's still people that are.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like, no way, oh I do too. It's I think
it's not as much as it back in the day.
But I've had a few people that kind of just
walk away, which is fine, that's you know, how they
want to react to it. But I'm having a good
time learning a lot, and I enjoy talking to people
like yourself, Carrie. But you know, thank you so much
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for sharing what you experienced back there in two thousand
and eight, you and your kids, and it's just another
interesting thing to know about Massachusetts and connect some dots.
And just thank you for coming on the show today.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh you're welcome. Thank you for Collin and interviewing me.
And keep up the good work. You're awesome. I'd love
the work you do.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Thank you so much, Carrie. Hey, if anything else ever
happens out there or you hear anything where you're at,
feel free to reach out and I'd love to check
in with you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
So okay, thanks Jeremiah, take care you two, goodbye.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Quick follow up for this interview was able to reach
out to the zoo across the Connecticut River about if
they've had a white or albino orangutan, and I got
the following information back. The zoo has never had in orangutan,
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and we are unaware of any surrounding zoos that have
had an orangutan or any albino primates. Best of luck
in your research.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
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