The Other Camper's Story! | Washington - Bigfoot Society

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

(00:20):
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us. Three two one, I pick the society.
You've got the privilege of talking to Ted today. This
will be this will be a fun one, especially fun

(00:41):
one for me. And this is because I love the
ones that you think are never going to happen. Ted
is the individual from episode six point twenty eight, the
other guy at dead Man's Lake. So if you in Washington,
if you've heard that episode where there was another gentleman

(01:04):
at the lake during the encounter, this is Ted. So Ted,
I was so pumped when I saw your email and
I was like, oh my goodness. The guy actually he
reached out and I was like, this guy will never
reach out, He'll never hear it. So ted a few
other things about you. First, you're also an avid fly fishermen,

(01:24):
and you're going around the Pacific Northwest. I would imagine
doing your thing there, and it's just a it's a
pleasure to have you on the show. How are you
doing today, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm doing well. Yeah, I've there for twenty years. I
was piking into different lakes around western Washington, southwestern Washington
in particular Oregon in the Oregon Cascades and fly fishing
small lakes. And that's how I got pike it into

(01:56):
dead Man's Lake. Let's see, it was this was, like
I said, twenty years approximately twenty years ago. It was
two thousand and four. It was September and.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
The elk season, bow elk season in Washington was underway,
and I decided I was going to go and hike
into dead Man's Lake.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And then there's another lake nearby called Vansen Lake and
fish both of those. On the trail. Going in, I
ran into the person and his son from the other
episode and we had a nice conversation. We ate a
whole bunch of huckleberries because they were nice and ripe,

(02:39):
but there on top of the ridge, and he told
me that they were camped down there by the lake,
and they were. They were at where the trail breaks
off the main goat Mountain trail and goes down to
the lake. They were camped right there, and so I
passed their camp and went down and camped at the lake.
I did some fishing, like I said I was going
to do. I went walked around. I saw a lot

(03:01):
of sign of elk down at the water, so I
knew there were lots of elk around. I went over
and did my fishing until it got oh almost dark,
made my way back to camp, had dinner, and this
is where my story begins. It's a little different than Freddy's,

(03:23):
but for the most part it's it's pretty pretty accurate
what he said. I'm also a musician here in the
Portland area. I've been a musician for most of my
adult life, you know, playing bars and stuff. But often
that this is sitting at the lake, and I was

(03:43):
just I just finished dinner and it was that twilight
kind of almost dark but not quite there yet, and
I was sitting watching the lake and oft in the
distance very faintly. I could hear this. All I could
say was a howl. It It sounds like a ghost
that you know. Where it went up and pitch and

(04:06):
it hung out on that pitch that high pitched for
a while and then dropped off kind of like a
like a bell graph. I heard that, and it was
way way off in the distance, very faint, and I
remember sitting there going, I wonder what that was, And
I didn't think too much of it. I stayed up
for maybe a half hour longer. It's probably nine o'clock,

(04:29):
and I went, I went the tent, let's see and
then and I fell asleep almost immediately woke up to
a scream that was not far from where I was camped.
And that was the same scream that I had heard earlier,
but just an incredible amount of volume. Woke me up

(04:53):
right out of a dead sleep and startled me pretty good.
You could almost it sounded like as a scream was
going on. It went up to a high pitch and
then dropped off and had a kind of a low
vibe to the end of it, kind of like I

(05:14):
would kind of think of it maybe sounded like a
pipe organ or something where it had multiple tones in it.
The main tone was that high screen, but then it
had some lower tones in there, and it was really
really odd. I never heard anything like it before. It
got me riled up. This was at eleven, approximately eleven

(05:35):
thirty at night. Got me up. I stayed up for
a couple of hours after that. I had my tent
was open, and I was looking around just to see
I wanted to see if I could see anything. But
after that, how I had two owls that were near
my camp that were calling back and forth to each other.

(05:57):
It sounded like and they were just doing a per
They weren't doing the uh the hoo cooks for you
call they were doing and just a purchase sound. And
that went on for for a little while. That went
on for maybe half an hour. After this, the scream
in my tent, you know, in the tent area, And yeah,

(06:18):
that's so I listened to the owls I got Eventually
I got back to sleep. I woke up. I set
my alarm on my on my watch. Back then now
i'd used my phone, but back I set the alarm
on my watch and woke up at five and was
still trying to figure out what I had heard that night.

(06:38):
I packed everything up, put in my backpack, went down
to the lake, looked around as it started getting light,
looked around to see if I could see anything, and
then I just got out of there because I was
I was pretty freaked out. And as far as Freddy
and his son, I didn't even know they were back
up on the at the lake. I thought they had
gone down to there. He said he had a trailer

(06:59):
down at the at the horse camp, and I thought
they went down there to spend the night down there
and get because it was kind of the weather wasn't great.
It was a little rainy, it was cold. I thought
maybe we'd get some snow. There was some ice on
the tent when I woke up in the morning at five.
So but I did. I walk past her camp and

(07:19):
I got out of there at first light. And he
had mentioned in his story that he looked up as
he got up, he looked up and I was gone. Yeah,
I was gone. It was pretty terrified to hear that
and not know what it was. That's about my story.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So that's wild. How far away from Freddy's campsite were
you again, We're.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Probably I don't know. He said two hundred yards, and
that's probably about right. It was probably, you know, at
least two hundred yards. He was up on the hill
above the lake a little bit, and I was down
at the there's a hole horse camp down there where
they had as a little meadow area off to the
side where the horses get out, and they just kind

(08:06):
of put them in out there in that in that
meadow area, and that's where I camped. I camped right
there because that and there had been horses there. You
could tell, you know, there's horse goop all over and
all that good stuff. But but yeah, that's that was
probably about two hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Did you notice anything weird on the way out from
that camp your your hike out of that area.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I didn't notice anything odd coming out. I did. I
did pause at the top and ate some more huckleberriers.
They were really they were perfectly right, but that that
time of the year, I think they were a little late,
but they were. I picked a bunch of them. They
were about the size of quarters that were huge, and
I just remember eating those going out. See, I've been

(08:59):
up in that air area a few times since then.
It did close when I got out of there. About
a week later, they closed the access roads to that
area down because the volcano became active, and that was
between that September. Well, I wrote it down, it's September

(09:20):
twenty third of two thousand and four to approximately sometime
in two thousand and eight. It never said what month,
but I and that's why I couldn't get back in
there because I live in Portland and to get back
in there and had to drive all the way around
and go in from Randall to get to that area,
and it just it just was too far of a drive.

(09:40):
It was a couple hundred miles to do it that way.
So with those roads closed down because of the volcano,
I couldn't get back in there, but I wanted to
get back in there and try to figure out what
I had heard and something. Since that experience, it's it
really changed the way I the way I fish, the

(10:00):
way I camp, the way I do anything. I've always
got my head on a swivel. I've always you know,
It's it's I'm always aware of my surroundings and I'm
always looking to see if something's sneaking up on here
or something. And it's just changed how I do stuff.
It's I don't I don't solo backpack anymore. I used

(10:22):
to do that all the time, and I've done it
a couple of times since then, and I don't I
don't get any sleep, so it's not really worth going
out and doing. But yeah, it's it's it was. It
was pretty traumatic and changed pretty much how I do everything.
I do a lot more car camping now than I

(10:43):
used to and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
But yeah, I can definitely imagine why. For sure, you
also have a you told this account to the BFRO
correct correct. Yeah, on that account, it looks like the
investigator says that you had reminded the sound reminded you

(11:08):
of a sound that you've heard gibbons make. Is that
something that has changed over the year years with the
way you remember it or do you do you still
feel like that's a pretty good representation.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I think it's it was pretty much the first time
I heard it. It did that that where crescendo's up
and you know the bellgraph thing like I said, that
goes up and up on the pitch. It's like those
crazy videos you see on YouTube and stuff where the
gibbon it does that crazy thing. You know. It was

(11:45):
kind of like that when it went up to that
high pitch and then it from there. It stayed on
that high pitch for quite a while. I was probably
I don't know, six seven seconds, eight seconds before it
dropped off. But yeah, it's it was kind of like
that that beginning. It is the only thing I could

(12:05):
think of at the time. He asked me, if I had,
you know what I had could compare it to, and
that's what I.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Told him, gotcha, gotcha, you have a really interesting viewpoint
of it because also you have that musician's background, so
you really get sound in a way that a lot
of us probably wouldn't get. Did hearing that sound? Did
that affect you physically in any way while it was

(12:32):
going on?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, it terrified me. I actually was in my tent shaking.
The only weapon I had with me. You know, I
normally don't carry anything with me, but I have I
had carried a knife with me, but that was the
only thing I had as far as you know, and
that's a utility knife. I use it for splitting wood
and everything. You know, it's it's not a defense a

(12:57):
defensive knife at all. That's so now, you know, not
having any kind of weapon or anything up there was
you know, it did terrify me. It wasn't to the
point where I got up and left right away. Ol
Freddy said that he thinks that I got up and
left right away, but I didn't. I was there till

(13:17):
five am and then I packed up. But yeah, it
was I normally do that when I go back back
into a lake, and I would go in and then
i'd get up at five and i'd kind of watch
the you know, sunrise and see if there were any
fish feeding and stuff like that. So that's just kind
of how I used to do things.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Gotcha at any point, did you notice anything around that
campsite that was out of you know, it wasn't ordinary.
Maybe there are big impressions in the ground, or they're
broken trees or bent over trees or or anything weird
like that.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, in two thousand and four, I didn't know
to look for that kind of stuff like tree snaps
and stuff like that, or wood knocks. I would have
just assumed a wood knock was just something falling off
a tree as far as any of that stuff goes. Yeah,
I wasn't. I was. I liked bigfoot, you know, the

(14:20):
whole idea of bigfoot. I grew up on a family
that my dad used to take us out on drives
in the woods, you know, and we call it looking
for Bigfoot, you know. We go off and just drive
around on gravel roads up around like Esticada and areas
like that back in the seventies. But yeah, it's I
never really I did. There was an area, like I

(14:42):
mentioned earlier. It was like a pasture area, not pasture,
just a little meadow area off the side of the lake,
and it had been trampled down. But I just assumed
that had been trampled down by the horses. I didn't,
you know, I didn't. I did make a little trip
around on the sand. That whole area around the lake
is a sandy pumus rock type stuff, and any animal

(15:07):
that walks on leaves a track. So I did walk
around a little bit of the lake. I did find
where some cow el could come down and gotten some water,
probably during the night. I didn't see him in the morning,
but I may have heard them off in the in
the woods. But yeah, I don't remember seeing anything. I

(15:29):
did go out looking for footprints to see if I
could see any big Foot footprints, but that is really
the only thing, you know, I knew of at the
time that they would leave.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
So it's a really interesting detail how as a child
in your younger years you went out with your father
in an extremely active area. Estakida is absolutely bonkers, and
I know that from experience, and you went out with
your father, which is really really cool. You know, you're
driving around, you're looking for stuff. I have a few

(16:01):
questions about that, I guess the main one is, so
you have that time in your life where you're like, okay,
bigfoots out here. But was this dead Man's Lake area
the instance there? Was that the first time that it
became very real for you and you experienced it, or
was there another time earlier where it's like, oh, this
is real.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I had one other time in my life where I
had something happen as a kid, and after, you know,
after years of thinking about it, I'm assuming that that's
probably something. It was. It was up in the Olympic
National Forest and we had hiked in. I was a

(16:45):
group leader guy and he would bring three or four
kids and we'd hike into these lakes and we went
to there was a series of three lakes out in
the in the national stup there on the Olympics called
Mildred Lakes, and we had hiked in and we were
camping at the We were camping at one of the lakes,

(17:09):
and it was about, you know, midnight, one o'clock in
the morning, and we all woke up to this thing
screaming across the across the lake at us, and nobody
knew what it was. And the guy, the adult who
was with us, he says, Oh, it's got to be
an elk. It's got to be an elk, And so

(17:30):
we just, oh, okay, we just all assumed it was
an elk. But you know, think looking back on that,
that's probably the first time I had anything that was
really weird as far as, you know, something vocalizing at me.
But yeah, other than that, that was probably the first
the first time I never did we never did see anything.
When when my dad and I and you know, we

(17:53):
would go out and drive around the roads, we were
just exploring. I never I don't know, you know, we'd
get out of the car and stuff, but a lot
of times it was just to go up and fish
for listeners.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Mildred Lakes they are it looks like they're north of
Lake Cushman, which has come up on the show a
lot of times, so we know that areas. I mean,
being in the Olympics, it's it's highly active, but being
not too far away from Lake Cushman, it looks like
it's definitely definitely an active area. What you heard that

(18:28):
those screams, were they similar to what you heard then
at dead Men's Lake or would you say they were
different in a way.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
They were shorter, they weren't a long howl. But it
was just like something was screaming, just like at us
and it was from across the lake. But but and
it went on for five minutes or something like that,
so it was a longer duration of this and it
was more than one yell. I guess what I heard

(19:00):
at dead Man's was that drawn out how sound? And
I just heard the dead Man's I just heard it
the one the one time in camp. I didn't hear it.
I know Freddy said something about hearing it like yelling
at him, yelling at his tant which may have happened.
I just was because it must have gone up that way.

(19:25):
But yeah, that's the howls were different from the from
the Olympic Peninsula one Olympic fourcete.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I do want to also point out for listeners that
the main So I'm just going to ask you, so,
what was the main reason that you were going to
dead Man's Lake for that time?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I was actually going to go up, I was. I
know the report said one night, but I was actually
going to go up for two nights. And I was
going to fish dead Man's Lake the first day and
then go over to Vanson Lake, which is maybe two
miles away, and fish that and camp there the second night.
And never made it to Vance and I took a

(20:08):
right went back to my car.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Absolutely. So that's that's a reminder where I'm sure a
few listeners had heard that Olympic National Forest infoman like, oh,
this guy is actually a big for research, but that's
not what he was at dead Men's like for he
was there just to do fly fishing. He's an avid
fly fisherman. So I want to make sure the listeners

(20:32):
are aware of that. Now, would your father ever tell
you stories about Bigfoot activity in the Estacada area?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Then no, I don't know if my dad was a
believer in Bigfoot or not. I don't I remember him
having us all sit down and watching the Patterson Gimlin
thing when that was on TV as small kids, you know.
But I don't know if he you thought it was

(21:00):
a guy in a suit, or if he thought it
was a real deal or you know. I never really
asked him about it, and he he passed away before
I had a chance to. You know, this happened after
he'd already passed, so I never had a chance to
talk to him about it.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Gotcha. Have you ever heard any accounts from the Estacada
area yourself? I, personally, I haven't had any.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I've heard other other people's accounts on the BFRO and stuff.
There's some recordings from up in that area of of
how I know, Uproaring River area up going up to
Rock Lakes, a lake serene in that area. That is
supposed to be a good area to go and look around,

(21:51):
but I haven't. I haven't done that in years. It's
last time I was at Rock Lakes was probably back
early two thousands. Let's see. I know there's shell Rock
Lake has had some some activity up there, but it's
a pretty active area up in this part of the

(22:12):
Mount Hood National Forest. I've been camping up near Timothy
Lake in that by not far from Mount Hood, and
that area seems to be. There's a lot of sign
I found a I actually found a footprint and I
showed it to my wife. I found some if you

(22:35):
believe in tree structures. I found a tree structure that
was a big cross that had been it obviously had
been set up. The trees weren't from that area. And
then I went up a week later and one of
the pieces was missing. So I don't know what that means,
but it it had been moved. It wasn't around on

(22:56):
the ground either that the cross had been because I
thought a picture of it, and then it went back
and it, well, it's missing the other part you know
where to go. And I was with my wife on
that trip and I showed her the picture. Then we
were looking at it, going, I have no idea what's
going on here?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
That's wild? That shell rock shell Rock Lake area that
you're talking about. I mean, that's you probably took two
twenty four to get there, right.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, okay, yeah, and then yeah and then fifty seven
I think it is the road going up to it.
Then it's fifty eight off.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Of that or absolutely to to make sure listeners, So
what's going on there is So this is the Oregon
Bigfoot Highway. That two twenty four is the Oregon Big
Fight Highway from the book that goes from Sticada down
to Detroit. So he is talking about an area where
it's it's north of Ripplebrook in a little bit east

(23:53):
it looks like but yeah, extremely extremely active area. And
you can get that book if you want our read
more reports from that area. Now, going back to Deadman's
like for a few minutes, you know, Freddy's son had
had the actual visual of a of what he says
he saw a face. Now, I just want to double

(24:15):
check during Yeah, during your interactions there, yours were all
you're just hearing things correct, correct.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, it was just all audio. He Yeah, he said
it looked like an alien. That would have creeped me
out to see that peeking at me from around a
log or whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, it's it's a weird pattern that is kind of
slowly coming out. I mean there's other Oregon reports where
you hear that, and I'm thinking specifically about the Cottage
Grove area. I've talked to two gentlemen from two different
i mean nineties and more recent where they see something

(24:54):
that looks like an alien in that area. You know,
that's further south in Oregon, but there's there's some weird,
weird stuff going on. Also, what kind of fish did
you end up catching from that lake?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
From Dead Men's Yeah? Mostly, Well it was brook trout, Okay, Yeah,
they had stocked at it some time with brook trout.
So and then I see I'd fished Vansen before and
that was rainbow so I could either catch brook trout
or rainbow trout. So I was going to do the

(25:28):
two different types of fish.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Absolutely. So you've got berries and you've also got the trout,
and so you have definitely some food sources going on
there at the time that you were there. I just
wanted to double check and get your thoughts on it.
What you heard when you were up there? Is there
any chance that that could have been an elk? What

(25:53):
you heard?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
No? Actually, you know, I've been around elk for for years.
I was avid elk hunter for for many years. But
you know, I've heard bugles, grounts, chuckles, you know, every
every sound that they they make. I've heard them when
they're when their voices are hoarse from from bugling, and

(26:17):
they sound kind of almost like a frog. I mean,
they they I've heard a lot of elk in my
in my ears, and I know it wasn't an elk.
I would have loved to have been an elk because
I wouldn't be thinking about a bigfoot every time I
go in the woods.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
But absolutely, the sounds of the area up by that lake,
outside of the things you were hearing, what were the
other sounds that you were hearing in that area.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Besides the howl I mean the owls or the well
I had the owls that were that were cooling back
and forth, and that was near my camp. That was
that was pretty close to where I was at, So
I don't know how close I was looking around in
the I had my flashlight. I was looking around in
the trees, but I couldn't I couldn't see any eyes,
so and I know their eyes shined when you hit

(27:09):
them with a flashlight. I think that I did hear
some what sounded like stomping. It was off away from
from where I was, but it just sounded like something
was just stomping like it was mad, is what I
was assuming, but just found and then it did that

(27:31):
for maybe ten seconds, but it was like it was
getting further away from here. It wasn't very loud. I
don't know if that's what it was, or if it
was if it was beating on something or you know,
or what it was. But that's what that's what I
was thinking at the time. I was thinking, yead, it
sounds like stomping.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh, that's interesting. What what time of day did that
happen at?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
That was during that howl event? That was after the
thing it howled in the camp? Ye, and it was.
It was a few minutes after that, and I heard
that And I couldn't tell which direction it was coming
from or anything else. It was just I could hear
it in the distance.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Gotcha. Would you ever go back to that that area?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I've been back there a few times. I've been back
to dead Man Lake three or four more times after that,
and I've gone back there with audio recorders and you know,
cameras and anything else, and of course you take the
stuff with you. You don't you know, hear or see anything.

(28:38):
So but yeah, I've been back in that area a
few times.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Okay, so this is very interesting. So you're going back
not with the motivation to fish this time, you're seeing
if you can capture evidence of what happened it.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, like I said, it's changed how I do things
in the woods. I don't go out and you know
and do the fishing lakes like I used to. It's
a lot of it is just going around looking for,
you know, something that would you know, like a sign
of like a track or a broken stick, you know,
the broken tree snaps or or something like that. You

(29:17):
know that might be indication of a bigfoot. That's it's
really changed how I how what I do in the woods.
And maybe not for the better because I I, you know,
I sit and tie flies. Also while I'm while I'm
not doing anything, I have a hole set up over here,
and and I probably have ten thousand flies tied up,

(29:41):
just because I don't fish as much as I used to.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Gotcha. But it's something you still enjoy doing, is creating
the flies for the fishing.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, it keeps me occupied, gotcha. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
So when you went back these other times with recording equipment,
et cetera, there was nothing out of the ordinary that
was either that you experience or that was captured on
these devices.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah. Correct, Not even an owl. I mean I would
have I would have loved to have an owl hoot
and been able to get that on on a recorder,
but nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So that's interesting though. So does that mean that you're
hearing no sound at all when you when you went
out there, or you're still maybe hearing some bugs, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Oh yeah, I'm hearing the net you know, the normal
forest sounds, the wind blowing through the trees, the bugs
buzz and you know, stuff like that. It's you know,
in the evening, you hear the frogs out there. So
it's still you know, it's you still have the normal sounds,
I would call them. It is nothing nothing out of
the normal. Ut you know, nothing out of the the

(30:50):
normal drone, I guess of of you know, the regular sounds. Yeah,
I mean really thinking about it, Yeah, it's been And
I took my I did take my dog up there
one time and we were walking around the lake. This
was kind of weird, but we were walking around the lake,

(31:12):
just kind of looking and I was taking her for
a walk and we're going around the the area that
surround surrounds the lake, the pomisey stuff, and all of
a sudden, she just turned around and ran at full
speed away from me, going back to camp. And I
have no idea what she smelled or caught wind of
or heard or something, but something freaked her out pretty

(31:33):
bad and she just took off around and she'd never
done that before. So that was kind of a weird
thing that's happened up there.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
That is extremely weird for sure. What is your goal
now with with spending your time going out to these
places trying trying to capture something? Do you have a
specific goal in mind through all this?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Not really, It's just it's for me. I don't care
about you know, I'm not out to prove Bigfoot exists, don't.
I don't really care what people think about that. To
tell you the truth, I'm just out for my own
you know, fulfill my own goals of you know, looking
for something like that. You know, it's it also gives

(32:21):
you an excuse to go out in the woods. I
enjoy getting out and hiking in the woods still. I
mean I'm sixty two now, but I still enjoy getting
out and hiking the trails and get out looking at stuff.
I don't haunt anymore. Like I said, my fishing is
not nearly as much as I used to fish, but
I still get out and walk around looking for stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's it's a really it's such an interesting story and
it's so cool to have both views. Have you talked
to Freddy since that time?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
No, I haven't. That was that was the first. It
was really weird to be watching YouTube you been having
my story being told by somebody else.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh that's what I wanted to ask you, is can
you walk me through like how you even got to
hear this to begin with?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I was I've been thinking about going back over in
that area to do some camping because I have had
some weird experiences over near there. And I mean, I
had something stomp through my campground the middle of the night,
three o'clock in the morning. Something was with a gurgly,
you know sound when it was breathing, stomped through my campground.

(33:35):
Me and two other guys were camping there, you know,
just out having a guy's weekend, and they they they
were dying on both of them. Are were freaked out
enough that they wanted to get out of there and
go back home. Not knowing what that was, I had
no idea what it was. It could have been. For
all I know, it could have been a bear. But yeah,

(33:58):
I've never heard anything stomp through my campground before. But
so what was the question again, Sorry.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
I'm sorry, but that is extremely interesting. We're going to
get access. So I guess the question was, how did
you stumble upon that episode?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, okay, well I was. Actually I've been employed by
the same employer for forty three years. I worked. I
probably shouldn't say where. I got laid off just a
couple of months ago. So in my you know, my

(34:34):
new found time off, I've been sitting here watching YouTube
videos and I just happened to type in dead Man's
Lake and I got that episode and I listened to
it and it was it was you and Freddie doing
the talking about the thing. And I played it for
my wife and she's, you know, exactly what happened, you know,

(34:57):
And because I've told you know, she's heard the story
four hundred times. And my mother in law listened to it,
and I guess I told her about it sometime. I
don't remember talking to her that much about it, but
I guess she she called up, like, Harry heard it,
you know that guy talking about your story. That's exactly
what you said. Yeah, so that's what. Yeah. I've just

(35:20):
been kind of hanging out of the house doing some
you know project for projects around here and going camping,
and yeah, I just happened across the YouTube video and
watched that. That was great. And Freddy was when I
met him up in the woods, him and his son.
Great guy, really nice guy, easy to talk to kind

(35:43):
of guy. You know it was, it was he was
really a pleasant person.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Wow, that is That's incredible. I mean, I forget people.
I do it because I enjoy talking to people about
Bigfoot and helping him out, and I forget, Yeah, people
who actually listen to this thing. And you're not just
in your basement talking to people anymore. But you had

(36:08):
that's how it was back in twenty nineteen. You had
mentioned that. So that time when you had the weird
thing go through your campsite and it was making the
gurgly noise, was that in the same area or a
different area.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
It was down at the Green River, which is down
at the bottom of that valley. You know that that
ridge got Mountain Ridge is twenty four hundred feet and
it's almost straight up. You're doing switchbacks for twenty four
hundred feet, So it's twenty four hundred feet down and
there's a Green River that flows through there, and some
of the biggest Douglas fir trees you'll ever see in

(36:43):
your life are in there on the trail that follows
that river. But yeah, it was down there was a
little just you know, dispersed camping area down there. It
was dry camp, and we just said, pulled in there
and set up, set up a camp, set up a
tent in camp. I put some some video, you know,
the trail cameras. I put a couple of trail cameras

(37:05):
up we had, you know, and then we went down
and messed around on the river and and stuff. But yeah,
that was just one night. I think we stayed there
a couple of nights, but that was just one night.
We had some stomp through the camp.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
That's interesting. You still got something like that even though
you had trail camps set up, because usually you know that.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
All oh they were Yeah, there were ways away from
the from the camp though. There. I got a bunch
of coyotes on them. That was a I probably got
ten different coyotes on the on the trail cameras, so
it was they were. It was an active night of
of animals moving around.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Gotcha, how has is that the only weird thing you've
experienced going out in the woods since that time, or
do you experience other unexplainable things as well.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, I've had well this is totally in a different
area though, but this is over in Oregon. This is
up still in the mounta Hood National Forest, but barely
it's almost over as you drop off to the Brighton
Bush River, which is over by Detroit. It's an area
that we've been I've been actually going there for years,

(38:18):
and I think the first time I went there was
with my dad back in the seventies. But it's an
area on an old logging road called Tarzan Springs. And yeah,
so we've been going there forever. And I had gone back, walked,
actually went walked back the road. I was going to
set up a couple of trail cameras for because I

(38:41):
was doing some scouting for hunting, and so I set
the trail cameras up and came back and my wife
is going, very funny, very funny, and I'm going, because
you're over there knocking on that tree. So while I
was gone doing that, they were getting wood knocks knocked
at them. My wife and my granddaughter. They of course

(39:02):
blamed me, but it was not me. So that is wow.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, that's a weird one. But other than that, it's
really I mean, I haven't had too many experiences there's
I mean, I've heard knocks here and there, but you know,
they could be anything.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Are you aware of the history of that Tarzan Springs area?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I am, Now, Yeah, I just went out there because
it had the because it was a Tarzan name, so
we we'd just go up there because you know. But yeah,
it was a logger or minor or something that lived
up there with the monkeys.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yes, we're probably talking about the same guy whose name
was Glenn Thomas, and the story Thomas right, the story
goes is that he saw a whole family of sasquatch
in that area that we're flipping over big rocks, digging holes,
and then eating the squirrels that were hiding underground. I

(40:04):
believe that's That's pretty much the easy way to say
what was going on. But again, if you want more
or more info about that, get the Oregon Bigfoot Highway
book and it goes into great detail. What year was
that that you had your thing happened?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh, probably twenty sixteen, Oh wow, twenty seventeen, something like that. Yeah,
it wasn't that all? How I see, my granddaughter is
eleven now, she was about four, so six years ago,
is that right? Eleven? Seven years so whatever? Seven years
ago would be.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, nine or ten yep, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, so it was that's the last time we had
anything up there happened like that. But we found a
footprint up there one time too when we were driving
up there. So I think I've turned my wife into
kind of a believer. She was very skeptic about it
and skeptical about it, but I think she's coming around it. Well.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I mean sometimes it doesn't take much. I mean yeah,
especially you're able to take her to places like this,
which is just like man talk about, like you're getting
into the thick of it. But it's very cool to
hear that, you know, well, Glenn Thomas's situation happened so

(41:27):
long ago. I want to say it was back in
the late sixties. And to hear that, yes, still having
things happen in the same area, I mean as recent
as nine to ten years ago, which is it's very
very cool. Yeah, that Brighton Bush area comes up a lot.
There's a hot springs there, and I bet those guys

(41:49):
have had some weird things happen.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
But yeah, I've been up by that. We've we camped
over around the Brighton Bush a few times. I mean,
we don't go all the time, but we've been up
in that area. It's burned up there. It burned up
right up to that resort spa up there. I believe
it burned right up to it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I believe you're right, because I know Detroit had a
big fire too a few years back.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, that was the thing. It burned. Yeah, it burned
everything down to the ground. It was pretty pretty amazing
to go up and see that. I mean, like I said,
I've been going up with that up in santy Am
and the bright And Bush and Upper Clockha was my
whole life. And to see that all gone, it just
looks like a totally different area. Wow.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I mean, this has been a really, really interesting conversation
and we've gotten to way more than just the one
area I thought we were going to be looking at. So,
I mean, this has been extremely fun ted. Thank you
so much for coming on the show and for sharing
what you've experienced over the years. I want to make

(42:59):
sure that you were able to share everything that you
came on the show to share.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Today. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely have shared what I
was gonna and then a whole lot more so.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Fantastic. Well, well, thank you sir for coming on and
I appreciate it. Stay in touch. If you ever experience
anything else weird out there, I'd love to hear about it,
and thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Man. All right, well, thank you sir.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
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