Witness Describes Creature Near Alden Reservoir That Changed His Life Forever

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

(00:20):
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
just might change the way you see the woods forever.
So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've
got the privilege of talking to Frank today. Frank is
an individual, he's a listener of the show and he's
from out there in northeast Pennsylvania, the Scranton area, Scranton,

(00:42):
Wilkespear And welcome to the show today, Frank. How are
you doing, sir?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good? How you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Jeremi doing great? I'm excited for this one because we
don't get a lot from Northeast Pennsylvania. We've had a
few individuals come on the show, but it's not a
really popular area like your Pacific Northwest. Any information from
this area of a Scranton and surrounding area is great

(01:08):
to hear from. Feel free, Frank, to take us back
to what you experience that day, and we'll be there
right with you.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Okay, all right, So this happened, I'm going to say
it was. I don't know the exact day.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I know it was after high school, so it was
probably two thousand and one, two thousand and two somewhere
in there, and I'm almost positive it was Labor Day weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
We used to have this place that's called the Spot.
I believe it's marked on my low map there.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
But everyone if we're looking for a name or to
name our camping area, and every time we said we're
going off the spot, it eventually stuck. So that's what
it was. So anyways, we're camping up there and our
buddies just happened to have another place up There's a
whole ridge of rocks there that are real high. It's
it's a mountain to us, not a mount to you
guys out there in the Pacific northwest.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
About to us, it's we're in a whole valley, a
big bowl.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
We're in here. That whole ridge is white rocks, it's
all quarts and everything that we called white rocks.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
So anyway, they.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Were up above us and you can actually there's like
the rock is about.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's hard to.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Walk up about forty five degree degrees of just rocks.
It's like we used to slide down on our butts
to get down from there. So we would go up
there from our camas spot, go up to theirs and
hang out with those guys. And the only problem was
that they never brought any wood or anything like that.
They were never prepared, and we were a little different.
I told my buddy Shane, I said, hey, grab the

(02:39):
hatchet and the tree sauce so we can get some
wood up there. I said, cause you're going to have
a fire full of plastic and you know it's going
to be smoking in our faces and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's what we did and we went ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
We climbed up there, we said hi to everyone, and
sure enough there was a fire pit full of aluminum
cans and plastic that was smoldering and it was horrible.
So I said a Shane, I said, hey, let's go
get some wood. And as we went up over the rocks,
and at this point we're coming down on the side
of the of the woods where we're getting closer to

(03:10):
where the little village is up there. It's still a
couple hundred yards in the woods, but we're going like
closer that way. And as we're looking for wood, there
was all these little black locust trees that were everywhere,
and for whatever reason, they're slowly dying out in that
area there, and so.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
That's what I would look for. Even if it was
at night, you can see them without.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
A flashlight, you'd see these little pole the trees sticking
up with no leaves on them or anything. So we
were looking for that. Not to mention, it's a very
hard wood and it burns good. So we're walking down
this path and I can't see anything there's I could
see why they're not getting no wood because you had
a walk a while to get it. So anyway, we
get away from the the where they're I would just

(03:50):
say the party because they were they were camping to.
But so anyway we get down the road and maybe
about one hundred yards from them, and I we find
some trees and we're hitting the tree with the hatchet
and it was basically just bouncing off. It wasn't doing
much we're taking turns cutting trees down. These little trees
they were like and like I said, they're all dead,

(04:10):
but there were It's a real hard wood and they're
all about four inches across, and so it takes a
little while to get through them with a little handsaw,
and so I would cut one down, he'd hold the flashlight,
and then we would take turns. So it turns out
that he it's his turn to go ahead and cut
the tree down, and I have the flashlight. And as

(04:34):
he's cutting through the tree, the branch we're buy the
there's oak trees all over there, all different kinds of trees,
but we were buy an oak tree, I believe. And
the branch above my head starts shaking and I look
up and I can't really see nothing. So I take
the flashlight and I pointed up in the up at

(04:56):
the branch and the trees there, and I don't see anything.
And it's only about a second or two later he yells, hey,
I can't see nothing. So I put the flashlight back
on him, and it wasn't ten twenty seconds later that
the branch start shaking again, and I go ahead, and
I'm waiting for something to fall in my head like
a porcupine or a raccoon or something, because they're all

(05:17):
over up there. And so I take the flashlight and
look up and there's I can't see anything.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
When he says, hey, I can't see nothing.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
So we go back and forth with this a few
times before I just said, Shane, hold on, there's something
in this tree.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I got to find out what's in this tree. So
I go ahead and.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I put the flashlight up and I'm looking at this
branch and I'm looking for whatever is shaking this branch.
And as I follow the branch back to the actual tree,
I hit the wye in the tree and I come
down the tree, and now I see what I thought

(05:55):
with my brain, and it's so weird when this happens
this way. I thought there was a tree that like
fell down and it was on like a forty five
degree angle maybe something like that. And in my head
I thought there was this reddish moss hanging from the tree.
And although it didn't make any sense really at the time,

(06:18):
that's just what I'm thinking in my head. That's what
I'm looking at here. So I come down the tree
and I see this weird tree with this what I.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Thought was moss hanging off of it. And now I'm like,
what is this?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I come down that and I'm noticing that it's
getting thicker, and I don't realize that as I'm panning
to the right, I'm actually coming closer to the path
than I'm on and lo and behold, it comes to
this big Honestly, it looked like a hairy sheet of plywood.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's what it looked like at first, like just this.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Big, hairy I thought it was moss first, but it
didn't take me long to notice, like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Is this like some kind of hair or something?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And it's and the best way to describe it is
it had the color of like an orangutans. It was
basically like a brownish red color color of a deer,
I guess you could say, in this area at that
time of year. So anyway, I am, I don't know
what I'm looking at, and I'm close to it. When

(07:26):
I say close, man, I'm sitting here looking and it
I was about at the most I was ten feet away.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, So this light that I had.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Was one of these older let flash light and it
was the ones that take the big batteries you put
in there, and it was plastic, so they weren't really
that good. And you pushed the little button on top.
It was one of those ones that you carry. It
had a handle on it. And the beam of light
isn't like lighting up all around it. It's just hitting
the spot. And I could just see what's right in
front of me there, and it's like as I start

(07:59):
like coming up with the flashlight to see, like what
is this?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
When I start.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Coming up and I now I'm on the stomach, I'm
right even, like I know this now, but I was
dead even probably right above the belly button. And at
that point I was at my eyes. It was where
my eyes were even and I was five eleven, so
you know, it's about five foot high. And I start
coming up with the flashlight and I'm going straight up

(08:27):
where i'd be its chest now. And as I'm getting
closer to what it would be where a shoulder and
the neck is, I could see from the light, like
the edges of the light, I can see where the
arm was going up to that tree, like I could
see where the armpit would be there now, and I
could see as I'm coming up, I could see the

(08:47):
head starting and as soon as I get this, soon
as the light starts getting near its face, this thing
led out a huff.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's all all I could say to describe it is.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It was like and it reminded me of how a
horse like does that, like when it huffs when it's
mad like that. It reminded me of that, but it
did it with such force that and it was so loud.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
That I dropped.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I had a hatchet in my left hand, the flashlight
my right hand, and it like hitting me. I felt
this the error it was, if you want to call
it error, almost when people describe it as a base,
the big speaker, when the base comes out and hits you.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
It was like that. It was like I was hit
with this and.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I dropped everything. I dropped the flashlight. I just like
it almost paralyzed me for a second. Like it's and
my hat. It was with such force. I had a
hat on backwards and it was one that had the
snaps on it that you can adjust it, and it
lifted that hat up off my head. It was that
much force when and this was all in one more motion.

(10:04):
I was an athlete then, and I could run very fast,
and so in one motion as that's happening, I dropped
my stuff and I'm turning at the same time, grabbing
my hat off my head, and I take off down
the path. I'm going back to where we came from,
and I just left Shane. I didn't even unfortunately, I
wasn't even thinking about him. I was just thinking about

(10:25):
getting the heck out of there. I'm running for my
life because I don't know what I'm going to be. Honestly,
I didn't know if it was a grizzly bear or
if it was a bigfoot. I didn't and at that
point it didn't matter because both of them were bad.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
So I was just trying to get the heck out
of there. And like I said, as I'm.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Running, the ridge to the rocks is to the right
of me, and it goes up and down at different heights.
You still got to climb up those rocks to get
over them to get where all these.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
People are at, and that's what I'm trying to get
back to.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I run back there as fast as I could, and
I climb up the rocks to get up there, So
this way I'm up higher, and at least I thought
I'd be safe if I was up there, and I
happened to see the flashlight coming through the woods. I
guess Shane grabbed a flashlight and chase after me.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
And he comes running back and when he.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Gets to the rocks, his eyes are big, his eyes
are really big, and he's going, what was that?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I said, I don't know. I said, I don't
know what it was. And he climbs up on the
rocks next to me and he's looking in the woods.
He's shining a flashlight down there, and I'm telling him
a grizzly bear and he's like, that wasn't a grizzly bear.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I said, I know. I said, I.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Don't know, and I'm like and I At that time,
the internet was still very new. The only reason I
really went on it was for two reasons, and that
was to download songs off of a certain thing. I
won't say it on here, but back then everyone would
know there was a certain thing that you can download songs.
They eventually got sued for it, so I won't go

(12:01):
into that. But we download songs, and I would we
talk on AOL and that was about all I really
did on there. I had no idea that there was
a bfro and I wasn't even It wasn't that I
didn't believe in Sasquatch. I really thought there there would
be a possibility that there was a big foot, but
I never thought in a million years they would be

(12:23):
in Pennsylvania. But I also knew there was no grizzly bear,
So to me it was it would have been I
wouldn't say, just as crazy for there to be a
grizzly bear than a bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
But they're both seeing.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I knew what I seen, I knew what he's seen
with me, and it just I couldn't figure out in
my head what it was.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
And it stayed that way for I'm going to say.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sixteen years, seventeen years that I now that I didn't
know what it was. Now. The next day I confronted
my uncle about this, and I was telling them what.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Happened, and he said it was probably a bucket.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
He said, they were yeah, So this way, I know
it was labor day because he said during rut at
this time, because he was telling me it was probably
up on a rock and it probably huffed at you.
And I said, Matt, this was no deer. I know
what you know what a deer looks like we gon
out know whatnot?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I said. This thing was huge, I said, and.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'm putting my head back, you know how high I
had to put my head back to look up at
where its head was. And now I didn't see its face,
and I thank god I didn't, because right when I
got to where his mouth was, where I can actually
with the light, the edges of the light started lighting
its face up.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Is when it huffed like that.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
It gave that huge huff, and you know, and to
this day, I wonder how much it would haunt my dreams.
But I didn't see its face. But nonetheless I knew
that it was not this thing at arms. I didn't
see fingers, but I did clearly see in the arm.
I clearly seeing the outlines of the legs, the torso,

(13:57):
the arm that was sticking out onto the tree, the shoulders.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
And there was no neck there.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's just its head just started right where I expected
to be a neck.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
But I didn't even know what I was looking at first.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
And although I knew what it was, I just I
never heard any stories of it being in northeast Pennsylvania.
I never I never heard of anybody seeing a Bigfoot
in Pennsylvania or.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Anything like that. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I read ironically and hopefully we'll get to that. Is
like I was telling you when I was a kid
and I happened to see those lights, those orbs. So
I was looking at a book of I think it's
forget the exact name of it, it's a blue book,
and I hear a lot of people reference this book ironically,
Mysteries of the Unexplained, I think it was called. And

(14:44):
in this book is where I seen ball lightning, and
I was thought, man, maybe that's what I seen the
ball lightning.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
And ironically you.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Flip over a few pages and here they have a
whole section on the Patterson Gimlin footage of the film,
and it shows Patty there. And that is where I
really started looking into Bigfoot. I'm going to say I
was a teenager then, thirteen, fourteen years old, so really
that's all I really knew about Bigfoot. That and Harry

(15:14):
and Henderson's obviously everyone knew that, but other than.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
That, I didn't have much other information to go off of.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So for years that's where it sat in the back
of my mind, and I didn't want to It was
weird for a while.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I was afraid.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I was afraid to be on my quad in the
woods driving home for a while because I knew that
there was something out there. I didn't know what it was,
but I knew there was something out there. I was afraid.
But little by little that went away because I didn't
know what it was, and I didn't realize how revolent
these sightings were, and it just went away, gotten back
of my mind, and I didn't think about it for

(15:51):
a long time until I'm going to say maybe seven
years ago. Eight years ago, I happen to be on
YouTube and somehow another one of these sites. I don't
know if I should say their names, but it's a
chronicle show that happened to do with encounters, and that's

(16:14):
it happened to pop up.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Somehow.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I started listening to it, and I heard this lady
telling her story, and I'm going, there's other people that
seeing these things. This isn't just a siting a one
crossing a road or something like that. This is somebody
telling exactly that they seen it with their own eyes.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And she's telling her a whole encounter.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
And so that went on and I'm listening to these
and all of a sudden one day, I would listen
to them a lot of times when I would fall asleep.
I'd like to just listen to them until I fell asleep.
And I hear a lot of people saying that they
do that as well. But the one day, I'm sitting
there with my phone on my chest and it was
actually a woman telling a story about an encounter. And

(16:53):
I'll never forget when she said it, huffed at me
and I sat up. I fight here, I heard it
somebody else said, and she described it almost exactly the
way it did it to me. And it was at
that point that I knew for fact it was that
was it? Now? Also, I started to find it out
that there is a lot of sightings in Pennsylvania which

(17:17):
I did not know, so little by little I started realizing, Frank,
it was what you thought.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It was, No doubt it was.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I knew it wasn't a grizzly, but I just what
else is brown? And Harryan's down nine feet tall in
the wilderness. There's two things that I can think of
at this point and on Pennsylvania, and that's going to
be a sasquatch, and it's not going to be a
grizzly in this area. Maybe out in the Pacific Northwest,
not that way, you's have grizzlies. But there's only one
thing that it was, and I know what I seen,

(17:47):
and there's no doubt in my mind that was a sasquatch.
Now what gets me is I don't know how it
got there. I don't know were we making noise, We
weren't trying to be quiet or nothing like that. I
was he the tree saw going. I guess that would
possibly make enough noise that I wouldn't hear it walking.
But it is just so strange when I hear people

(18:08):
now talk about the paranormal aspect of these things of
just showing up, and it was like that. It was
almost as though it was just not there one moment
and it was there at the next moment. Now there's
no doubt that with us using that hatchet and hitting
the tree, that possibly that would if it was anywhere

(18:30):
in that area, and there could have been more than
one for all I know, but if it was in
that area, I could see how it would go. What
are these guys doing over there? It would sound like
tree knocks with the hatchet hitting those trees. So I
think to myself. Maybe that's what drewing in. I don't know,
but all I know is that it wasn't there when

(18:51):
it could have been off to the side, because I
am looking for one thing. I'm looking at the path
and I'm looking.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
For dead trees.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's what I'm looking for, trees on the ground or
a little trees that we're standing that we could cut down.
And like I said, these locust trees would They're like
big sticks sticking out of the ground, twenty feet high.
They don't want branches on them anymore. No leaves are nothing.
But they're so strong that they still stand like that,
and you can push them over. If they're not deep
in the ground, you just push them right over. But

(19:18):
they are extremely hard, so they're really great for burning.
They burn up like they have fuel inside them. So
that's what we were looking for. So the thing could
have been to the side of me, it could have
been behind us. I have no idea, but it was
as though one moment it wasn't there, and before I
know it, it.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Was behind me.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And it's just crazy how it started shaking the tree
like almost like I can't believe these guys don't know.
I'm here or something it was. It's something I'll never forget.
But now that I know this, now that I know
that they're here, it makes going camping I wouldn't say impossible,
But there's times at night when we're cooking food, and

(20:03):
that's what really scares me when I think about it
the most is when I'm cooking and I think, oh boy.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
What a something smells this food. I'm not afraid of.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Black bears, I'm not afraid of anything else like that,
but the food is what really gets me at night,
Like the last time I was in the woods. Actually
that's and I wonder if my uncle felt this too,
because I felt this feeling like come over me that
we were being watched, and it was weird that he
wanted to get out of there right then too, and
we no sooner. And it was in the winter time,

(20:33):
so it was as quiet as could be. And this
whole ridge here has lakes upon it, so we were
up there on a reservoir, not lakes, but reservoirs.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
There's ponds. There's reservoirs.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Actually, that entire top of the mountain, that entire ridge
there has ponds that go throughout it. So if you
were a sasquatch that was moving from south to north
or north to south.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
That is exactly the way it would go. It would
if I was them, That's where I would be up there.
That's there's water.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
There's even spring water that comes out of that running
down the mountain in multiple spots. Up there, there's all
those little ponds that are prevalent with frogs and fish
and snakes and all the other species of animals that
are in this area. Anyway, that's that was that encounter,
and so that's you go ahead and Frankton, ask me

(21:32):
any questions.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Absolutely, that is some wild stuff, man, it's really interesting.
First question about your actual encounter. So you were there
in about ten feet away, so you of course heard
the huff. Was there any weird smell in that area
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
No, No, there was no smell. Like I said, there's
no smell. I had no way of knowing it was there.
And if it didn't start shaking that tree, I probably
would have just we would have cut that tree down
and just walked away from it.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I did not know it was behind me.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, no smell, no way to know. I didn't smell anything,
not that I remember anyway. Not that I remember. I
don't remember a smell.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Another thing that stood out. You said the area was
really full of a lot of quartz. Is that right?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And as a matter of fact, I have something right
in front of me that.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
My buddy goes hiking up there all the time and
he will dig him out of the rocks and he
has little jars full of them. Wow.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, that's a definite pattern. Yeah, that comes up in
a lot of these you've heard the interviews on the
different shows, it seems that quartz does seem to come
up a lot sometimes, granted, but I would say more
often than not quartz as well. And it almost looks
like if you're looking at it the area that you

(22:56):
gave me on the map, it's not too far away
from a lot of different wooded areas, and you have
the different state game lands even some state parks in
that area. Right.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh, yeah, you can go Like at the time, it
seemed like we're not that deep in the woods, but
when you look at it, and now, even back then,
there was a lot more area. There's a lot more woods,
like they had construction had really unfortunately taken away a
lot of the forest around here. They keep saying that

(23:30):
they're coal mines and it's mine scarred land, is what
they say. But that's not the case at all. This
is the nature will always take over what was it,
what was hers, and mother nature had already taken back.
You couldn't tell if you walked through there if there
was coal underneathlers.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
It was already.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Even the little ponds that were once yellow when I
was a child were actually no longer yellow, and there
was bass in them and fishing them, and people were
able to fish them now.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
After I don't know how long it took, but I know.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
It was twenty years from when it was yellow to
where they were able to fish. And now unfortunately they're
building a warehouses in those same forest and just mowed
all them over, just fill them in, filled upon it in.
So that's unfortunate, but that's what happened. But yeah, there
is When I look up through the Hazelton area, you

(24:21):
can go for miles and miles without you'd have to
cross a road here and there, but you're going to
be in the wilderness for a long time.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Absolutely, it is. It's such an interesting area Pennsylvania in
general is and I okay, so first off, you said
this was around two thousand to two thousand or two
thousand and one to two thousand and twoish around that
time period.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, yeah, right around that time. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You go driving around that area, and I don't know
if people get what it's like without going to that area.
It is very very and there's a lot of very
I would say, mountainous hills you're having to drive around.
I spent some I actually spent some time in a

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place called Clark's Summit. It would have been.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Oh yeah, the White sat squash up there.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, exactly. This is about the year there's two thousand.
It was right before nine to eleven when I was there.
As you just said, yeah, so Carbondale is in this
area too.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
And yeah exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
You have the tail the accounts of the White Bigfoot,
and there's actually a video that showed up on YouTube
and that was all the way back to two thousand
and eight, so people can check that out. I'll have
a link to it in the show notes for this too.
But that's not too far away. That's probably what about
an hour we're looking at.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, yeah, at the most, at the absolute most, if
you jump on eighty one, eighty one north.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
You're going to get there and yeah, about an hour
forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So we know that there there's other activity going on.
And the Poconos are north of this area, right.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
No, they're actually southeast. So if you went a little
more south and then yeah, they're southeast. Basically that's exactly
what they are there. We are right at the edge
of the Poconos. Really, this is the edge of it.
There's imaginary line. I guess you could say that they
say it this is the Poconos and this isn't. But
I would say coming up to this area right here

(26:24):
is where it basically ends. It doesn't matter to a
sasquatch or any other kind of animal, forrest's forest. So yeah,
that's right at the edge of the Pocono.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Some wild stuff also really like that. This is something
I was going to ask you about if you mentioned
there's really no neck, which you know, you didn't get
to see a face, but the fact that you didn't
really see a neck, that's a huge indicator for sure.
Did you notice how long the hair was. Did you
get to see that at all? Like was it hanging down?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well not the arms?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, I could tell you that the hair on the
arms was about that was hanging was about three inches.
I'm gonna say it was hanging off. It's off its forearm,
and I could see its forearms. I didn't know at
the time it was a forearm until until now when
I'm looking back in my head and I.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Go, oh, my goodness, that was its forearm.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
There was its upper arm, is bicep there because and
it got bigger, just like a tree would went and
it just slowly got bigger. And I'm like, but as
it hit its torso, it went from being longer longer,
and then it went and got shorter. And then all
of a sudden, I my light is directly in its torso,
and it was.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
There was man, it's heart.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It was like it was grayish gray, like almost like
a dry mud would turn in that area. It turns
like a grayish color. And I swear that there was dirt.
There was like dry mud there with the hair too.
And I can't tell you how long I was, but
I'm guessing it was probably about the same length, about
two to three inches.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
It was all about the same length.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It was just it wasn't I was easier to see
how long that was because the way it was hanging
off the arm bases versus miss hanging off its chest
on its stomach. So I'm just going by about two
to three inches, I'd.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Say, gotcha. Have you ever had a conversation with Shane
asking specifically, okay, when I ran away from you, what like,
what did you notice or what kind of things happened
up there before you started running too?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah? Yeah, actually, but he basically told me that the
flashlight was on the ground.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
He just grabbed that flashlight and was.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Right behind me, and he was only about maybe three
seconds behind me, and I'm fast, I'm not that fast.
It was maybe through he grabbed that flashlight. He actually
left the tresaw right where it was, and the hatchet
stayed where it was too.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So that's how I went. I didn't go the next day.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I went like it had been two or three days later,
because honestly, I wasn't in a hurry to get back there.
I wanted to, but I was scared. I know that
it was something that shouldn't have been there, whether it
have been a grizzly bear or what I really thought
it was a sasquatch. It was just that in my mind,

(29:27):
I'm saying both of them are unlikely. But what would
be most likely. I'm saying it would have to be there.
But what would a Gridley bear be doing here? I'm
going to myself and I'm thinking, and if sasquatch are real,
if they're a real thing, it would only be out
the Pacific Northwest. I had never even heard about them
being in Pennsylvania. So that's where my head was at

(29:48):
that time. And as far as my uncle's theory that
I had been a buck, that's one of the reasons
I want to go back there. One I needed to
get my treesaw and get the hatchet. But there was
no rocks anywhere in that area. And the actual rock
ledge that I'm talking about, the white rocks that is there,
that was about thirty or forty yards at the time.

(30:11):
It was to my left up the hill to my left,
and the house is the road was down to my right,
and there's a stop sign that's right there, and I
could see that street light.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
There's a streetlight right there.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I was able to see that street light through the woods,
through the trees. So that's how I knew how we
were getting close, and I wasn't We weren't going to
go any closer to the road or anything looking for wood,
because that's where we're like, oh my goodness, we already
came this far.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
We're almost near the road.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
So that was the last tree we were getting, and
then we were gonna walk back and collect what we
sat down next to the path and grab all that
wood and go back, which we never ended up getting
that wood.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Excuse me of getting it, because it didn't.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Matter at that point.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I ran right past it.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
How I did not fall or trip over something is
beyond me.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I have no idea how I got through and.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Got up to that spot and ran up that path
without falling, without a flashlight, but.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Somehow I did it.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
But like I said, Shane was right behind me by
the time I got there and climbed up those rocks
real quick. And it didn't take long and maybe a
second for me to hop up there fast. Like I said,
I was very agile, in really good shape. I played football,
I was on track and whatnot, so it wasn't much
for me to jump on that rock and climb up

(31:27):
on top of there. And it was only about fifteen
or twenty feet high really, that little mound of rocks
that's there on that side anyway, it's not that in
that area right there, it wasn't bad at all. That's
why people would go ahead and climb over that. And
then it was flat on the other side. And it's
still there and people still go up there, I imagine,
but I believe they have quad pats up there now.

(31:49):
At that time, you had a walk up there. But
it was the lookout. We called it the lookout, and
it was enough room for either it's flat, there's enough
room to put a tent or maybe you can't even
probably put two or three tenths there. But and like
I said, they had a big fire pit, and you
can see the entire Wyoming Valley that's a Loser and county.
You can see everything. So you're overlooking Nanacoke and Hannover Township.

(32:12):
But you could see the lights all the way up.
Actually I could see the lights all the way up
to Carbondale. From there, you could see Montage Mountain where
they have the ski resort up there, so you can
see you're up so high and there's nothing. And that's
why we would go up there. And there was other experiences,
other things that happened there. If you want me to
whatever you want. If you want me to go into that,
you just let me know.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, before we do. I took a quick look at
the sighting map. I have just to refresh my memory
over on the website Bigfoot Society podcast dot com, and
I actually have taken there's a few episodes about the
Poconos and this is so this is really interesting. One

(32:54):
was a guy who saw what looked like a big
gorilla in the woods near his new house, So that
was in the Poconos around two thousand and two. And
another guy said he saw an eight and a half
foot tall black bigfoot across the highway in fall two
thousand and one, and he said there are other multiple

(33:17):
reports from people in the same week, so fall two
thousand and one, two thousand and two. That kind of
lines up with your time frame as well. Yeah, too
far away from the area that we're talking about, so
there could have been something interesting going on in that
time period down there. And I screaming the post birds

(33:37):
and the Poconos for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
But yeah, yeah, it could have been that. One of
one of the theories is that they migrate and when
you look into where the berries would be, where they'd
be ripe, and where they might be at that time,
whether they were north and they're going to head south.
That's if they're following the birds. Possibly at the time

(34:00):
where the birds start heading south in this area, you'll
see the geese. That's when we know that winter's coming.
The calendar can say one thing, but when you see
the geese coming over your head and start they have
a nice v that they make and they start heading south.
When you see them going south, that's when you know
that fall is here and the cold weather's coming. Look

(34:21):
at that. They might have done the same thing, and
that's why they might have been in this whole area
at that time.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
So who knows.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Absolutely. You mentioned before the show started that you've also
had some other things happen actually earlier in life that
once you started to look back at your memories, Oh,
there's some other interesting stuff that happens. You mind sharing
about that as well.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
No, absolutely, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
There's this one before and then there is some other
things I'd like to get into.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
But we'll start.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
When I was a child and I lived actually in
scrant it was more towards Scranton and the music, the
music area, which is it's just going up up towards
Scranton going north, was a park. It was called Rocky
Glenn Park and at one time it was a glenn.
They had it's a pond. It was a lake, but

(35:17):
it's really it's barely a lake. It was a reservoir.
Really had a dam there and they dammed it up
and he turned it into a reservoir. So it's basically
just a big pond for those who don't know. But
they created eventually they created a musement park around this
and so my father was he is an artist to
this day. Obviously if you're an artist, you know, being

(35:39):
an artist. He would do artwork for them, and they
had at the time, they had a fun house that
he would have to do.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
They had a carousel that.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
They were getting horses in that needed to be painted
and restored, and so there was there was work every
day for him up there. So eventually, instead of him
making it trip from this area of Wolfsparre up to Scranton,
the owner.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Said to my father, whose name is Frank.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Also, why don't you just move in the house and back, Frank,
we have this house open. Why don't you just move
in there with your family and you could come to
work every day and you'll be there.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
And that's what we ended up doing.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
So for the first six years of my life, I
was lucky enough to actually live with an amusement park
in my front yard. And this is when the park
was not.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Opened.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
We would literally have to unlock the main gate to
drive into the park and drive our car. You're going
right past to Spider, right past all these rides, and
then you go there's a little tunnel type thing that
you go underneath the roller coaster into the picnic area
that's in the back, and you're passing a bunch of

(36:58):
pavilions that are back there that had you know, pickning
tables under there, and the last pavilion served food back there.
And after that pavilion, the road ended right at our house.
And that house was the chalet that back in the
day in the forties fifties, and it could have been
before that, but I know it was in the forties

(37:19):
and fifties when they were doing Old West. They used
to call it ghost Town at the Glen and they
had actors that they would put up in that house,
that chalet. They would go ahead and they would stay
there throughout the season and then they would act and
do their show and whatnot, and at the end of
the season they would go back to wherever their home
was throughout the country of the world.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I don't know, but once.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
That stopped, they needed it was the house was empty,
so we were lucky enough to live there. So with
that being said, we had again were in the woods.
There's a lot of woods there and there is a lake, stream,
spring water and what not. And we had two dogs
that I thought they were just incredible hunters because they

(38:06):
would always come back with deer legs. Now, once in
a while they would catch a duck and my father
would be very upset.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
My father was not a hunter.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I got hunting from my uncle, but my father'd be
really upset at them for chasing down animals. But they
don't know their animals too. They would do their hunting themselves.
But anyway, they would always come home with deer legs,
and I thought that they were just exceptional hunters and
they were running deer down. But as I got older
and I started looking into this, or at least thinking back,

(38:36):
I don't know where. I don't know where they were
getting all these deer legs from, but they'd becoming back
with parts to deer, deer skulls and whatnot quite a bit.
So yeah, I could have been coyotes. But this is
the other thing that makes me think. And I didn't
get to tell you this, and for anybody that's offended,
I apologize, but I got to tell you exactly how

(38:57):
it went and what was thought. So after this, I
can maybe send you a picture of the house that
I got. It's not a very good picture, but it'll
show you that the windows were about six feet high.
That's where the windows started at the bottom of the
windows at this shellet, this house. And so with that
being said that you know that now there was times

(39:22):
when now there was people, there'd be people into pavilion,
so we'd have people that would know we lived back there.
They knew there was a house there, and the unfortunately
we got robbed a few times also when we weren't there, thankfully,
And there was one time that somebody had broke in
and actually assault that knocked my mother out cooled.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And they just left.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I didn't I guess they didn't expect anybody to be there,
and they had punched her in the face and then left,
and I don't know who it was or what. But
that's one thing that happened, and my father had come
home and founded there. So my point is that there
was people that would be up there at times, and
so my mother is there with my aunt Ruthie, which

(40:05):
is her sister, and all of a sudden they would
see somebody standing outside looking through the window, and they
thought that they didn't even take they didn't take in
the consideration that for somebody to be standing out there
and have their head up that high to be looking
in a window, they would have to be about eight

(40:27):
foot tall, and they didn't think about that never. They
were just afraid that there's somebody out there and they
could see that somebody's looking in a window and then
the next thing, you know, the person would be gone.
So that's one thing that happened there, which I heard
on other shows that these people that are out in
the country, they would similar things would happen. And so

(40:50):
with that being said, then we have the day I
wake up on Easter and I go outside and I'm thinking,
I I thought I found the tracks of the Easter Bunny,
because there was huge tracks in the dirt that were
big human footprints, very large sixteen to eighteen inches long

(41:16):
and about eight inches wide eight to ten inches wide,
and it in my head, I'm thinking about the Easter
bunny that you take pictures with and that they have
these big feet. So it had and it was Easter morning.
I'm thinking the Easter Bunny. These are the Easter Bunny's tracks.
My cousins end up coming because like I said, it's Easter,
it's a holiday. They come up and here I am.

(41:36):
We're trying to tell my uncle and my father and that,
and they're going, yeah, sure it is. Of course they don't.
We're just kids and they don't realize what we actually see.
And I didn't realize it either. That's what it was until,
like I said, looking back on.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
It now, I'm going, oh my goodness, this stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's all adding up to the fact that there's a
good possibility that these things were out there then. And
then what happened was the one night me and my
sister Melissa were and she doesn't remember this. Unfortunately, she
did years ago when I asked her when we were
growing up, but at this point an adulthood, she doesn't remember.

(42:14):
But we were sitting watching TV and where kids, we
were sitting on the floor, and the TV was in
front of us, a couple feet in front of us,
and to our left was the windows, and out there.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Out to that left there is where the lake would be.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
The reservoir was down through the woods there, and it
was a really bad lightning storm that we used to
get up there, and all of a sudden, it was.
It was so crazy even to think about it right now.
These two balls of light, one was orange and one
was green. And the best way I can describe them

(42:54):
is they were just side the softballs and I seen
something like them once. That was it looks like it's
the ball that I seen that it would be something
that you would see it like Spencer's gifts at the
mall or something like that. I don't know, but it's
a ball that lights up that looks like it has
like a silvery like fluid inside of it. This these

(43:16):
things looked like they were orange and green, and they were.
It was a light. It was a clear it was
I was close enough to see that it was a
ball that I could see.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
The outline of it.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
And and then it only gave out enough light that
it wasn't gonna light everything up around it. It wasn't
like it wasn't like my walls and my house lit up,
or it even put light on the ground. It was
just around, just that little bit of light that was around.
And the one was orange and.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
The one was green.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
And as they came through the window, and the window
wasn't open, by the way, it was shut.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
As they came through the window, they.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Like danced with each other. I'm gonna say it was
as if they were playing with each other, like as
they floated through they went the one went from the
left to the right and the other one went right
to left underneath it, and then they went back again
to where they were at. And then they did like
this almost like airplanes, like the way the airplanes kind
of circle around each other and they do a barrel roll.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
They did like this barrel roll with each other.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And then at that point they're going through our doorway
and they went right out right through the front door.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
And that was it.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
They were there one minute and gone the next, and
that was it. Out of my life forever. But that's
what happened out there. And little did I know that.
Now we come years later and you have encounter after
encounter that they're saying that they see these orbs through
the woods and they tie them to Sasquatch sightings. And

(44:50):
I never ever would have put two and two together
that I had not have listened to all these encounters
and just went, oh, my goodness. I thought it was
some sort of ball lightning, is what I thought, because
I told a couple of people about it growing up,
and someone suggested that and that's how I got into
looking at the in the book and Mysteries of the Unknown,
and there's a little there's a little section of ball

(45:12):
lighting in there that it talks about it, and it
even shows like a little illustration that somebody drew. So
that was really neat. But that's what happened up there
in Rocky Glenn when I was a child. But what's
more interesting is what happened back in the area here
in Wookes Barre in these woods here close to where
I had the sighting the encounter, because there was something

(45:36):
that happened one night that was absolutely it was just
it was it's very scary if you ask me. So
we would go up there and we would camp at
that spot I was telling you about, and there was
one night that the guys there was some work going
on out there and they would still they were taking
the silt from the coal, and they were they found

(45:58):
the way to get money for the silk one way
or another. It was at the time when they were
when coal was Entracy Cole was very big in this area.
They the silt was just a byproduct that they weren't
worried about.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
But they found a way to use it and to
make money from it.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So all of a sudden they start working at these
places out in the woods, and I guess these guys
there were some people that would go and mess with
their equipment. So they would get upset and block the
paths off with their bulldozers.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
And so they would knock trees down, and then we.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Would have to come up there and take a chainsaw
and cut the tree up and open the path back up.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
And this was something that went on.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Back and forth. It was like a little war between us.
The one weekend we ended up doing this, and I
remember me and my buddy Mark, we had to hook
chains to these big stumps to get them out of
the to get them out of the way once we
cut the tree up, because the stumps often had their
roots connected to them, and we would have to through

(46:58):
using a snatch blox and using chains.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
And what not to move these big stumps off the road.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And one night we ended up coming into the woods
and we'd go back there, and there were so many
of us that would go back, and we were kids
that grew up in rural in rural Pennsylvania. So what
we did is we went in the woods. We rode
dirt bikes or row quads. We did lots of camping,
and like the other teenagers, we had parties around bonfire.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
And at this time I was heck, I.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Was probably twenty one actually, and my cousin was coming
up and we got there only about half an hour
before they did, and everything was fine. There was a
bunch of people there and they came up late and
hear all those log all those stumps and such were
pushed in back in the path. They were all back
in that road blocking it. So they had to go

(47:50):
ahead and get them back off of there, and they
did it. But that's one thing that happened that was weird,
but it was nothing compared to this next thing. So
here there's a track bed that goes it's right in
that area there and it goes all the way up
to Alden Mountain, which is it's basically right down below

(48:11):
that ledge of white rocks where you're looking at that
map there, And if you could see where the ledge
of rocks are, there is a track bed that goes.
If you look good enough, you'll see a line through
the woods of trees. You can see it through there,
and that's where the track bed is. You'll see multiple
of them that are through the woods there. So at
the bottom trying to explain it the best I could,

(48:33):
but it's close to where I had this sighting at.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
We'll just put it that way.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
And the track bed went it was about three miles
long from the one end where we went in and
we got onto the track bed. And at this when
I say track bed, all they ripped all the what
do you call it, the track the pieces of wood,
They ripped all the ties, the railroad ties off at
air and they took all the metal and they recycled

(48:59):
it all years ago when they stopped using those railroads there.
So what it ended up doing was making roads in
the woods for us to drive down, and that's where
we would drive trucks and ACKed up trucks and whatnot.
So what happened is the one night me and my
buddy Mark were in the woods. We wanted to go
for a ride in the woods, and we didn't realize
how late it was getting, but we were out there

(49:21):
a lot longer than we should have been. But we
were young kids and that's what.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
We were doing.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
We were four wheeling in the woods, and we had
a couple of beers with us.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I think at twelve had we had a couple of beers.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So we're drinking a little bit at a time, and
we're stopping and we're on this track bed and he
had a transfer case he had put in his jeep
that was you can walk next to his jeep. It
was geared so low and he would just put it
in that gear and it would just go really slow
and we would just sit there and listen to music
and talk and we would stop every once in a while.

(49:51):
At We had all different little places that we would
stop at. One of them was a small little reservoir
that was there, which unfortunately they is buried now, it's
no longer there. It was a dam that we'd stop
there and we're drinking. So as we're drinking, we would
have to stop and use the bathroom, and so we're
getting out. Granted, this is an old CJ five jeep.

(50:12):
It was from the seventies. I think that was a
seventies six maybe, but it didn't have no top and
no doors on it. Okay, but summertime, we're out in
the open there, we're having a good time, and we
live like I'm the stick. So it's not like when
we get out of the woods, our house is right there.
We don't have to drive on the roads far or
nothing like that. We could basically take the roads right

(50:34):
to the back alley and we're home. So that's why
when I'm talking about this, we're out in the woods
drinking and driving. We're going slow. And that's sense, not
that I can don't it in any way. I'm just
that's what was going on. So AnyWho, like I said,
we're getting out here and there, and then we're getting
back in a jeep. And as we got to the
end of the road, we turned around because we reached

(50:56):
the furthest point that you can go, and we couldn't
believe it that here the sun was coming up, and
I said, oh my goodness, Mark, we're we're gonna be
in trouble. I said, because at that time we both
worked with my uncle Matt, and we knew that we
had work in just a few hours. And here we
were up all night and he was gonna kill us.

(51:17):
We're like, oh, he's gonna he's gonna kill us. So
because the sun is coming up now we can see
behind us. We didn't know because we were going I
guess you could say west, and the sun's coming up
in the east behind us. So as we turn around,
now we see that the sun's coming up and the
sky is but sun isn't even up yet, but the
sky is light, it's blue, it's dawn.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
And we start.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Going back, and all of a sudden, as soon as
we went around this one little bend, we didn't go
but fifty yards, and here is all the garbage that
was off the side of the road that was in
the woods, stuff that you couldn't see.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I knew it was there from going down driving there.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Throughout the years, you would see what they used to
have beer balls that were a plastic balls that were
filled with beer back in the day, and they would
get them in and they would end up shooting them with
guns and stuff. And this used to be called the
strip ends and strip mining, so people would throw garbage
back there. They would dump all kinds of stuff from
kid toys. There would be dolls on the side of

(52:21):
the road and stuff, but most of it would be
pushed to a side and covered with leaves. And now
all of a sudden, this stuff is in the road
and there's these little trees, saplings.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Most of them were not big, like, not thick.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I could have pushed these trees overs when I'm getting
at but they were pushed across the path like bent over.
If there was dead ones there, they were pulled into
the path. Any kind of rubbish, whether it was garbage
or cans or whatever, it was in the road.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Now and he stops.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
We both look at each other in unison and say
what did that?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
We're like, where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
And both of us are going all of a sudden,
it's becoming what's hitting us. Something was behind us this
whole time. Something's out here with us. And I don't
know what it is, but it isn't some animal that
doesn't know what it's doing. It's something that put that

(53:28):
stuff there. And in my head, we both look at
each other and I said, I'm not getting out to
move it. He said, I'm not getting out to move
it either. So he takes that thing out of that
little gear and he's Now we're in just normal two
wheel drive where we can go faster. And we just
ran this stuff right over Randy's little twigs and sticks

(53:50):
over and these little trees, and I have myself like
tucked into the jeep and he does also, because now
these trees are like pushed into the path and we're
getting hit with them, the jeeps getting scratched. But I
am not stop, and we're not stopping to get this
stuff off the road because we don't have any weapons
or nothing. We might have had pocket nice with us.

(54:11):
But what did this and what got scarier is this
As we're coming back, it didn't stop. It was like
that the whole way back, the whole three miles. There
was stuff pulled out of the woods and little trees
pulled over, and I mean there was like old broken
tonka trucks.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I remember, all kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Stuff that was just tossed to a side, that was
buried in those leaves, was now in the road, in
the middle of that track bed. And we're going it's
becoming scarier and scarier to go. This thing, whatever it
was behind us all night. It was back there the
whole time doing this, and we didn't hear it. We
had music playing a little bit. We have no top

(54:53):
on this jeep, we have no doors on it, so
there's no protection or coverage from anything, and something's out
there with us the whole time. And we don't know
what it was. And I'm not saying it was a sasquatch,
but whether it was a human, I don't know what
it was. But if it was a human, why would
somebody go ahead and do that knowing we can run
that stuff over. That doesn't make any sense. And what

(55:16):
did it? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I don't know, but it is a very scary thing,
and it still to this day.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
We were talking about it not too long ago, me
and Mark, and he said, man, the hair on my
arm standing up. He said, I'm just thinking about that.
That was really crazy. I don't know, I don't know
what did that. There was another time that we were
out there looking for a bunch of our friends and
we said, oh, there's the fire there. They are over there.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
We can see them down through the woods. We were
up on a little on.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
This little knoll, so we could see the fire, and
so we hop back in the truck and we're heading
over there and we go down that path and the
fire's not there, and we're going where the fire go.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
This was a nice big fire and.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
We can see it from two or three hundred yards
away through the trees and stuff, and all of a sudden,
the fire's gone. And we're like, I know it was here,
And we hear this laugh come out of the woods
that it was like the blur Witch was down there
or something.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
It was a hideous, just.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Scary laugh, like something I'd never heard before and I
never want to hear it again.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
That it just echoed throughout the woods.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And we jumped in the truck and we got the
heck out of there, and that was that.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
That was a totally different time.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
But there is some weird stuff that happened out there
in those woods. And this is all the same. This
is all around the fame exact time. Okay, This is
like that might have happened the next summer. Okay, So
this isn't like years apart. This is all around. This
is between like two thousand and one and two thousand
and three to two thousand and four. This is all

(56:57):
in that area that this stuff is happening. There was
an other time we thought a bear. We were on
top of those white rocks there, and we thought there
was about twelve of us maybe, and we would take hikes.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
We were younger.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
We were teenagers at this time, so I was probably
eighteen and like I said, two thousand, it would have
been probably, and we would take hikes and we go
up on those rocks because it was a beautiful view,
and we go up there to do things that teenagers do.
Now those things are legal throughout most of the United States,
but back then they weren't. Here. We thought there was

(57:32):
a bear down in the woods there, because it clearly
sounded like a bear. The trees are moving back and forth.
But this bear would not leave no matter we're yelling,
we're throwing rocks at it. It just keeps circling around us.
It just keeps going. Now, it couldn't go all the
way around us, because the white rocks that we were on,
this certain area that we were on there, it went

(57:55):
down to where it went like the rocks in some
parts would go down like underneath the earth to where
it be it would be dirt and ground and stuff
again in trees, and then they'd come back up out
of the ground again one hundred yards over, so we
were at like the edge of them. So this thing
was circling us from like two o'clock if I were
looking at a clock, from like two o'clock to four o'clock.

(58:18):
It was just going back and forth through the trees.
And you can see the trees betting mowed over and
going back and forth, and they're shaking and we're throwing
whatever we can get in our hands, because, like I said,
we thought at the time that it was a bear,
but as we were there, it didn't make any sense
that this bear wasn't leaving, It wasn't a running from

(58:38):
us or nothing. So what that was I'll never know,
but it happened.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Like I said, there was.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
A lot of weird stuff that happened out there during
those couple of years, and for all I know, that
could have been a sasquatch also, I don't know, but
it was definitely some really weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Wow that when you put that all together, that is
you're right, that's some weird stuff. And if you look
on the map that you gave me, it looks like
there's houses up there now, and it almost makes me
wonder if the people that live up there are having
weird stuff happen too.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I could tell you, all right, I can tell you something, and.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
This will be the last thing that I won't go
too far, I know, because I know we're getting close
to the anger. But if you look at that what
I sent you there, you will see the reservoir that
I'm talking about is off to the left there. It's
all the way down to the left, and you can
see you can see the strip of white rocks. You
can see the whole little ledge of white rocks that
I'm talking about, uh huh. And it goes they go

(59:39):
all the way down and that right there is called
the Alden Reservoir. And if you look through the woods
there you can see where it goes to a little
point where those white rocks are, and you'll see it
looks like a path that goes down to a field.
And down there is where the smaller reservoir was that
I said we would stop at dead dam down there,

(01:00:01):
and just stopped there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
It used to be gorgeous. It used to have it
was made of what did my fathers say, marble? They
had marble tops on it and everyone was you could
see to the bottom thirty feet down. But unfortunately, after
people going out there and stuff, they just ruined it, unfortunately.
But nonetheless there is still fish and whatnot in there.
They now it's just a pilot dirt. They just filled

(01:00:25):
it in. But anyway, with that being said, the people
in these houses that you're talking about, you can't see
it on this map, but back in the woods, there's
a house that is actually back in the woods down
tom Coo Ave.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
You can see that that tomko.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Ave keeps going and it for whatever reason, you could
see how it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Oh, you could see the house there. The house is
back in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
If you go to the edge of the road all
the way to the end of the road, you see
the little house in the wood.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Okay, so that house.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Right there is owned by I won't say the gentleman's
last name, but he's a good friend of the family.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
And his grandmother used to live up there by herself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
And my father said, this lady was she was a
tough older woman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Who used to used to chew.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
She used to have a big water chew in her
mouth and a double barreled shotgun sitting on the porch
in her rock and chair, and he said, that's how
she'd be sitting out there, and there was no messing
around with that woman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
She'd give you two barrels real quick if she had to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
So anyway, he had said something to me, and he
said a name that I couldn't believe because I thought
it was all just rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
It was all just craziness. So my father used.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
To camp out in the yard there, and that house
has no power or no water to it. There's a
spring that they actually used gutter, and they took a
spring that was all the way up in the woods
on the track bed here, which you can't it's hard
to see the track bed through the I could see it,
but it would be hard for you to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I just know it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
But anyway, comes all the way down there, and they
used the gutter to get the water all the way
down to the house and then it goes into his
little bathtub and that's how they got water. There's an
outhouse there still to this day. But anyway, he said,
the grandmother used to tell them stories about these little
monsters that lived out there, and I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
When he said what he.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Should call them is Topex and I was like what,
and he said it again, and I'm like, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
So here when I was a child.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
That little village, that little town of houses that are there,
My friend Jeff and his family live in there, live
in that area, and he used to tell me about Topex.
He used to say this, He said, there's these little ghouls,
these little things that run around in the woods. And
I'm like, why, you're crazy. I said, you're nuts. And
so now my father's telling me this as I'm an adult,

(01:02:52):
and I'm saying, no, you're kidding, and he says, honestly,
he said, the grandmother told them that they were I
guess you would say, almost like a siren, and they
would call you into the water and try to pull
you into the water and drown.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
You because there was a creek that's back there, and
then there's the reservoir back there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Also there's all different little pools of water that or
I guess if you want to be a couple feet deep,
would be a creek, and then it'd come and do
a little pool of water. But anyway, you'd say, they'd
pull you in there and they drown you. And I
just thought it was a tale, as my father did.
But I could tell you this years later. I had
seen this guy's uncles in the woods and they were

(01:03:35):
they kept going, Oh, I don't want to insult anybody,
but they're not the smartest bunch. I'll just tell you
that they were homeschooled and they if you ever seen,
I'll just say that they didn't. Some of them weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
They almost had their own language.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Okay, at one point they didn't come off the mountain
very much. And that doesn't go for all of them,
just some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Back in the day, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
These two guys were there and we didn't want them
to be there because they were bothering us. And these
are his family and there is two uncles and they're
sitting on this stool, this bench that we had, and
we're up at that reservoir. We're up at the olden
reservoir and we didn't think they'd follow us, but were
it says hanover reservoir on here. But they somehow we

(01:04:20):
were hiking up there and somehow they ended up finding us.
And we're like, oh great, here comes these guys. And
so I had a big ramble knife on my side
that I used to carry. He goes, that's a big
knife on your side. He goes, look at that knife
on and he said, yeah, that's a nice knife.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
He goes, that's pretty big, and I just said I went, yeah,
probably big enough for a topoke topek though, And honest
to God, when I said that, these guys went from
a total laughter laughing there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
When I said that word, they stopped instantly and their
eyes got all big and they looked at me, and
he goes, what did you say about topex? And I said,
And in my head I thought they like I startled
them and I said that word, He's They stopped everything instantly,
and I said, oh, I said, it's big enough for topex,
and he goes, oh yeah, and they giggled a little bit,

(01:05:11):
and before I know it, they got on their quads
and they left and that was it. I didn't see
them the rest of the day. They didn't come back
or bother us. I don't know, like I said, I
don't know that I've searched that word, and I don't
know if it's an Indian word that I'm saying wrong,
that it's not topek.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
It's like something that sounds like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
It's just different. But I've tried to look it up
and search it and I can't find anything on as
far as cryptids go. But when I think about that
stuff being pulled across the path like that, and I'm going,
something small, how to do this? Because there was nothing big,
really big, And I'm like, what could have done this?

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
If it was a mature adult, you would pull something.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Bigger that we couldn't run over in the middle of
the road, Like why would anybody pull these little trees down?
And they were trees, were alive. We're pulled over, And
it just made me think back and go, what in
the world did this? I think about them saying that
there's these little monsters that run around the woods, and
I'm like, oh, my goodness, can you imagine? That's one

(01:06:12):
more thing that I don't want to think about. Not
that I really put much, you know that I really
believe that they're real. But I'll tell you what, there's
a lot of things I didn't think were real in
this world. Now the older I'm on this earth, I
come to find out they are. So it seems that
there's a little truth and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Wow, my goodness, that's that area is an area of
high strange there. Yeah, I'm going to be I'm going
to be thinking about that for a while, not only
just bigfoot, but you've got multiple other weirdness going on,
and I guess you could say that the Wilkes Barre
area of Pennsylvania. And this has been a fascinating conversation.

(01:06:51):
Thank you for sharing what you experienced up there over
over the years. It just it has been a very
cool chat. Frank, my goodness, I'm trying to think. Yeah,
just a conversation about what your family had to go
through and what happened to your mother. I can't imagine

(01:07:12):
having to go through that you have, my goodness. Would
you ever go back to that area or have you
been back recently to this area used to go to as.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
A Yeah, yeah, the spot what we called it. Yeah, yeah,
as a matter of fact, I do. It's just I
gotta be honest with you. When the sun goes down,
it's just gets It's not all the time. I'll be
there at night and I could feel fine. We could
be camping out there for two or three days, and

(01:07:43):
then all of a sudden, I will just get this
feeling out of nowhere that it's like you can feel
eyes on the back of your neck or something, and
it's like and once that happens, and it hits my
memory and I go, oh, my goodness, and then that's it.
I can't be comfortable from that point on. So it
sometimes is harder than others. Obviously, there's the more people

(01:08:06):
that are there, the better I feel out there, and
you can have a weapon on you. But and I'll
be honest with you, it's not that I'm afraid of
any sasquatch or anything, but I would rather not see them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
You're not going to find me ever going looking for
these things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I don't know why anybody would. I do not because
you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Are you going to go in the woods looking for
a gorilla and go, let's just see what a temperament
it has today, because that's basically what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
And I'm not going to be caught doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I would I don't, so I go out there, but
I'll tell you what I do. I hope I never
see anything like that ever again in my life. I'll
be happy if I never do. But yeah, that is,
I do go out and I do camp. Still I
haven't camped up there, but my friends do. And the
thing is there is so much activity now in those
woods that they're building.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
That trackbed that I talk to you about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Where it used to be about half a mile the
wilderness between the road and that track bed. Now they've
cut down the woods almost right up to that track bed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
There's day ruined it out there. It isn't like it
used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
But as far as when you get up on that
mountain on top there, who knows, it's still They call
them the green ways, I think they call them, or
something similar to that, that these paths of woods where
if it's true that Sasquatch does they do go from
north to south, then they're gonna have to use those
little those little paths and those little pieces of woods

(01:09:30):
that you wouldn't think that they would be in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
And there's still a lot of woods up there, it's
just not near me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
It's and that's not where we were used to going
as to route those twenty years that we would we'd
be out there in the woods all the time, from
probably from the time I was thirteen to thirty three.
It wasn't like I stopped going out there. It's just
I wouldn't be caught out there by myself or at night.
But it's just I know that there's stuff out in
those woods. There's stuff in the forest, and I'm not

(01:09:57):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
I know it. I know it for a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
So when you know that, it has a nother a
whole a whole other thing to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Like, So anyway, that's my story.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Wow, thank you so much for sharing again, Frank, and
keep us in the loop. I know you said people
that still go out there, maybe in places you don't
go anywhere, And if you ever hear anything else going on,
definitely let us know. We'd love to hear about it.
But yeah, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your
experiences from over the years today anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I appreciate it, and you have a great night. Thank you,
very nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

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FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

(01:11:18):
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

(01:11:39):
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
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