142. Bingx: Confronting Demons and Forging Artistic Identity Through Music

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Bingx shares his raw and harrowing journey to musical success with host Aaron Pete. From overcoming personal struggles with Tourette's, OCD, and addiction, to transforming these challenges into artistic strength. Bingx takes us on a walkthrough of his audio engineering techniques and shares key insights on the complexities of the music industry.

Seattle-born rapper and vocalist Bingx, also known as Chanler Hendrickson, melds his love for hip-hop's lyrical finesse with the deep emotions of grunge in his music, drawing influence from a diverse range of artists including 50 Cent and Third Eye Blind. Bingx has over 100,000 monthly listeners on Spotify and over 27,000 subscribers on YouTube.

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Episode Transcript

Aaron Pete (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Bigger
than Me podcast.
Here is your host, aaron.
As you all know, I have had theprivilege of speaking with
Vinjay about his music and hisalbum High Frequency.
Today, I get to speak with theother tag team of that amazing
album and we dive into hisphilosophy, mindset, the trials

(00:20):
and tribulations he's overcomeand how he approaches making
music with so many differentartists as a producer.
My guest today is Binks Binks.
I am so excited to be sittingdown with you.
I've been looking forward tothis interview ever since I
turned on your album HighFrequency with Vinjay.
Would you mind pleaseintroducing yourself for people

(00:43):
who haven't had the privilege ofgetting to know your amazing
music?

Bingx (00:46):
Yeah, my name's Chan, but I go by the stage name Binks.
That's B-I-N-G-X.
I've been making music for 18years.
I love it.
I produce it, mix it, master it, engineer, song, write, develop
, vocal coach.
Whatever needs to be done toget to a finish line on a
project, I usually just pick upthe reins and figure it out.

Aaron Pete (01:07):
You're the man.
I get sweaty hands anytime.
I'm nervous for an interviewand my hands are all sweaty, so
I'm ready for this one.
Are we able to start withsomething that makes you
somewhat unique?
You actually struggle withTourette's.
You've experienced this.
What I find most beautiful iswhen you're sharing your passion
.
That goes away.
Are you able to share thatstory with people?

Bingx (01:28):
So, yeah, I have my first tics from Tourette's when I was
five and then I starteddeveloping OCD so I started
having little rituals.
So OCD and Tourette's are notthe best thing to have together,
because sometimes I have a ticand then my OCD will be a ritual
to do the take a certain amountof times, which is kind of an
unfortunate pairing.
But it did make me unique, Iwill say.

(01:49):
Growing up with that wasn'thard at all.
I like this girl named Tassawhen I was 12 or 13 and we was
inquired together.
So they had it in a half moonlike this the teacher up here
and then you got the Sopranos,the Altos, the Tenors and the
Baritones and I was over herewith the Tenors and the Sopranos

(02:12):
were over here and I had thisreally gross tic from my
Tourette's where I like I likeopen my mouth, my tongue came
out and I was like trying tofuck with the muscles in my neck
and I was ticking, not reallyrealizing it, and I look over at
the girl that I like and shewas making this face, looking at
me or looking at her friendspointing at me, and they was all
laughing and that was themoment for me.

(02:34):
It was like I'm not being ugly,like maybe I got some ugly tics
that I do, but I'm not beingugly to anybody.
That was ugly right there, thatshit's ugly.
And so that was the moment forme that I decided I was like
fuck you, I'm different, I don'tgive a fuck.
If you got a problem with me,maybe making a noise or clearing
my throat or making a weirdface or doing some tWitch, then

(02:55):
you was going to find a reasonnot to like me anyways.

Aaron Pete (02:58):
Absolutely One of your early influences you had.
It sounds like rock was one ofyour early influences from
interviews I've listened to.
Then you moved into findingtech nine.
Would you mind sharing a littlebit of your process of finding
rap and lyricism in that process?

Bingx (03:15):
Yeah, absolutely so, I was.
I was at 15 years old.
I'd only heard, like I hadn'treally heard much rap.
I'd heard you know, hi, my nameis, and you know maybe some
Tupac and some stuff with peopledriving, but I didn't listen to
that shit because I was raisedon rap music.
My pops raised me on like cakeand the police and ACBC and shit
like that, Like sheep go toheaven, goats go to hell.

(03:38):
That's where I was raised on.
So but you know I've always hadthis mind, for you know I'm
really good in numbers and wordsand you know things of that
nature Quick, quick thinking,rhyming words and all that.
I was 16 and I was at I washanging out in the trailer park
with my boy, james and you knowwe had a whole bunch of boys
that went there and, you know,did drugs, all the stupid shit

(04:00):
You're not supposed to beknowing and one of them played
me this tech nine song and itwas called Breathe and I
remember it was the first timeI'd ever heard some shit like
that, because you know I'm usedto the slow rock, big choruses
and shit, and tech was on theregoing like he was using his
breath and as part of theinflections and like it was.
Even he was like I don't want tobe the one to get a millimeter
when I got, I want to be the oneto hit him with another middle

(04:21):
color.
I'm a little sick and differentand I'm in a minute when I said
that you remember thatMotherfucking year?
And he was like he was usingall these new things and I was
like what is this?
It was like crack to me.
I was like, how's he?
How's he?
You know he's harmonizing withhis raps and and it was.
I was blown away.
So I started memorizing thesongs and, you know, flash
forward like a year maybe and Iwas able to recite all of his

(04:44):
lyrics.
And you know, one thing aboutrappers is when they rap,
they're not just saying lyrics,it's the way that they say the
lyrics, it's the inflections,that intonation, and you know
just the way that they, thatthey speak in their charisma
behind it.
So I was able to master thatvia listening to tech, like
master his inflections on arecord.
So I would like actually wrapall of the ways that he was

(05:06):
shaping the vowels and and allthat.
But he was like, you know,you're pretty good at that, so
you ever thought about writingyour own music?
And I was like, oh, that's agood idea.

Aaron Pete (05:16):
I love that.
When did you realize that,walking in, when you start doing
this, that all of thechallenges you face outside your
life fade away, particularlythe Tourette's, that you're able
to basically put on your hero'scape and deliver and have no
limitations?

Bingx (05:34):
I guess for me it's always just been the escape, for
me, the outlet, because Ididn't have without anger.
Growing up I didn't have muchleft.
So you know I was a drug addictin 14.
I was.
I was smoking synthetic heroin.
I've been 10 for like 14 years.
So I was addicted to drugs allthe way up to I joined the

(05:56):
military right before I turned18.
And I got out the military, gotaddicted to cocaine, did that
shit, did that for years.
But what I always had wasanything.
I've always been a big feeler.
I've always had a big heart.
Like I feel things very deeplyand they affect me.
You know, like I can have athought and it can fuck up my
whole day.
Here I can have a thought andit can make my whole day because
my feelings are very powerfuland so kind of learning that,

(06:19):
attaching, that, aligning thatdeep feeling, that deep rooted
feelings that I have with anoutlet and realizing that.
That is why I was able to makeit through the day, that's why
things didn't stress me out asmuch anymore, that's why my
anxiety would go away is becauseI was writing about it and able
to voice this.
You know big depth of ball ofemotion inside of me and able to

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get it out and then hear itwhen I, when I play it back,
that was that was really whenthat was really when it kind of
like kicked in for me.
Just you know, it happenedgradually, but then once I was
able to put that to words andrealize that's what was
happening, then it even gotbetter, because then I'm like,
oh, this is how I can do this.

Aaron Pete (07:00):
That's incredible.
May I ask?
And this is a vulnerablequestion.
So if you, if you don't want toanswer, I totally understand,
but what brought you down thatpath of struggling with drug use
?

Bingx (07:11):
Oh man, there was a lot of things.
I mean I was.
I was like 14 years old and mymom was addicted to percusses.
She got she got real fucked up.
She got a surgery to own a bone, the thing that your wrist
swivels on it, like sits, likethis, and then your wrist
swivels on it.

(07:31):
She had malpractice practiceupon her at the hospital and
they cut off the tip of her ownbones so it fused her wrist
together, so they put her onpain meds for it.
It's like.
It's like that's like apermanent thing that doesn't
ever come back.
And I started but she, you know, like I was, I would go and
sell her prescription in thebeginning of the month.
I would sell like half of herprescription to make her some

(07:51):
money and then she would gothrough like two weeks and then
she'd run out of her pills andthen we'd go spend more money
than we netted in sales to likebuy the fucking pills back,
basically when she was goingthrough withdrawals.
So I was I've been around onthat since I was like a, you
know, since I was young and youknow it was like.
It was basically like myparents like painted a picture.

(08:12):
I were like put up the frameand it was like all I had to do
was color inside the box.
You know what?
I'm saying Right, my pops, youknow, struggles with alcohol a
bit, but him and I've got reallyreally close over the last few
years since I got sober and youknow he lost a bunch of weight.
He's been doing better with thealcohol and stuff too.
It's never been, alcohol, hasnever been one of those things

(08:35):
with him.
That that took over his life ismore like a, his daily escape.
Maybe it's what it's.
You know he raised four kids sohe's like at this point you
know what I mean.
I'm good I raised four kids, Idid it.
But yeah, with my mom that was,that was the introduction, I
guess, into the drug games andyou know, or drug game and with

(08:56):
you know, 1415, 1617, I wasgoing from trap house to trap
house and selling drugs, buyingdrugs, stealing robin, doing all
this shit you're not supposedto be doing.

Aaron Pete (09:09):
Where is the relationship out with your
mother?
If you don't mind me asking, Um, oh shit, that's a lot.

Bingx (09:18):
Um, my, I went through a custody battle 56,000 dollar
custody battle, um, two and ahalf years ago.
It started two and a half yearsago and the courts gave me
emergency full custody, which islike temporary full custody and
I have my son for a year.
And how I got that is my momcame to me and told me that her

(09:39):
and my baby's mom, my baby mama,had been using drugs together
and that's how the courts gaveit to me because I had a high
witness and then, via my momcoming out and writing that on
paper and telling everybody thatcame out and then the whole
family found out and then my momjumped, fell out of my second

(10:00):
story window the next day, brokeher back and paralyzed herself.
Um, she, you know, out thewindow of my son's room while my
son was in there and you know,the cops showed up and took her
to the hospital.
She's like learned how to walkagain now and you know, but I
think it's still tough for that.
That relationship's hard for me.
I give her, I create like asafe environment for me to be,

(10:22):
like to interact with, to whereyou know I can, I can enable her
to feel loved, but not enableher to hurt you have access, I
guess, yeah, Um, but I love her.
You know what I mean.
I love my parents.
You give what you get.
You know a lot of people don'teven have parents.

Aaron Pete (10:39):
Absolutely.
Thank you for being willing toshare that.
And what was your decision?
To go into the military.
How did that come about?

Bingx (10:45):
I was.
I was living in a trap house upin Everett it's like a real
druggy town north of Seattle and, um, like, my roommate at the
time was selling a bunch of them80 milligram oxycontin.
So I could, you know, I couldsmoke, snort and pop them all
day as much as I wanted.
And my homie, brendanMcAllister, came back from the
military.
When he left he was like he'slike 63, I think 62, 63.
And he was super overweight.

(11:07):
He wouldn't look you in theeyes when he was talking to you
and wasn't confident at all.
And he called me because he gothome from the military.
And he called me.
He was like hey Chan, what areyou doing?
I want to come see you.
And I'm like oh yeah, this iswhy I'm at getting my address.
Well, he pulled up on his brandnew RX six fucking motorcycle
and hopped off.
He's all in shape and he'swalking with confidence, looking
me in my eyes.

(11:27):
He's like hey Chan, how youdoing?
I was like whatever the fuck,you just got a dose of I want
that.

Aaron Pete (11:32):
That's what I want.

Bingx (11:33):
That was the first decision I ever made for myself.
So he introduced me to hisrecruiter the next day and the
guy said are you on drugs?
And I said yeah.
And he said I'll tell you whatif you taste clean for me in a
month, I'll let you in.
And I got from fighting when Iwas a kid this is all titanium.
So like this is all, this isall titanium.
And they they got thatrecruiter was like I'll let you

(11:54):
a, I'll let you in regardless.
Like, not like hide thepaperwork, but I won't bring
attention to the fact that youknow you got a big plate in your
head.
So I got to go do that.
That was fun.

Aaron Pete (12:04):
Hold on, you're.
The top of your head istitanium, yeah this is all
titanium.
What?
How did that happen?
You said fighting.
How did that what?

Bingx (12:14):
I got my head bashed in with a mag like like a cop
flashlight.

Aaron Pete (12:18):
From a police officer.

Bingx (12:19):
No, from.
I was fighting, I was at a lawstore.
I was at war tour and somebodywas rock, was stealing from our
campsite and he was stealing thepurse of one of the girls that
was there.
She came up, was like hey,that's my purse.
He turned around and knockedher to ground, hit her in the
face.
So then I beat him up and thenhe went and grabbed his brother
and they came back while I wassleeping, drug me out of my tent

(12:42):
and tried to kill me in themiddle of the night and then all
my friends chased him off andthen you know, I had like
frontal lobe damage, two dentsin my skull, seven breaks and
fractures in the orbit of my eye, smashed nasal column.

Aaron Pete (12:54):
How did you process something like that happening to
you?

Bingx (12:59):
I took it on the chain and kept going.
I mean, I was already usingdrugs at that point, so they
just gave me a bunch of freedrugs.
I was like fuck it.
You know, because you got tohave for any type of head injury
like that, you got to get abunch of pain medication.
So I just kept rocking androlling.
You know, that was it.

Aaron Pete (13:16):
So you've lived like a few lives in this short span
of time, just after entering themilitary, coming back like
you've been through a lot inyour life, like you have a lot
of world understanding of thechallenges, the ups and downs
individuals go through, justfrom that period of your life.

Bingx (13:33):
Very much so.
I mean, after that it got evencrazier.
I mean, I went to.
I was the face of Caviar Gold,the weed brand.
I was the face of their companyfor like two years and they
took me to Jamaica, you know, Iwent on nationwide tours, had my
face on the side of a big tourbus, Shout out to Scott McKinley
and Mike Brunson they're agreat couple of guys I just I

(13:54):
had a big ego at the time and Iwas addicted to Coke, so I threw
that away and it was like howdid that, how did that
opportunity come about?

Aaron Pete (14:00):
from everything else that was going on in your world
?

Bingx (14:03):
I did a show with a.
I did a show with a weeddispensary and Scott McKinley
was there bringing his productsthere, doing something, doing
something there, and he was likeI really like you.
He was like I want to introduceyou to somebody.
And I was like, all right, cool.
So I came over to the crib amonth later, two months later,
whatever it was.
We built a relationship at thatpoint and Mike Brunson walked

(14:24):
in and he took one look at meand he heard my music and he's
like I'm like, he's like you'rea fucking star dude.
He's like I'm a fucking, I'mgoing to make you a star.
And I was like bet.
And then two weeks after that, Iwas in a limo in LA.
I was going to go into like aprivate resident residence down
in downtown LA and I met likeJerry Heller and kicked it with

(14:45):
him for the night, got addictedto cocaine, dating a fucking
billionaire's daughter.
I was going crazy.
It wasn't until I was 26,almost 27, when I finally put
the drugs down and got clean andstarted deciding that I wanted
to be a.

(15:05):
You know, I want to be a gooddad and I wanted to be a.
I wanted to be a musician, andactual musician, not somebody
that just wrapped and walked outof the room afterwards Like he
was hot sauce.
You know what I'm saying.

Aaron Pete (15:16):
We may be getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
When did you start to commityourself truly to music and to
the creation of it?

Bingx (15:28):
I went through this rap beef eight years ago in the city
of Seattle and as it was goingon, we all recorded at the same
studio and the studio told methat it wasn't safe for me to
record there anymore.
And that was the point when Istarted on the journey that to
get where I'm at now, I went andgot a laptop Biologic Pro and I

(15:50):
locked myself all of my freetime, anytime I wasn't working
or jogging or making plays oranything.
I was all of my free time I wasin the house learning how to
engineer and mix and master andI did that shit for like three
years.
And when I finally came out ofthe crib and I started bringing
artists through to come likefeature on my songs, and they

(16:13):
would come and see what I woulddo recording them and
engineering and mixing theirsongs, and they were like how
much do you charge an hour?
And I was like I just do thisfor myself.
And they're like I'd pay like40 or $50 an hour to come work
with you and have you record mystuff.
And that was like a clip for me.
It was like, oh shit, like.
And I started listening to thestuff that these studios were
doing and I was like my shitsounds way better.
Like I'm good at this, I'mreally good at this, and then it

(16:35):
was like a whole new thing.
Then I dove in and startedstudying under people and
learning how to produce, and nowI can pretty much do anything
anybody asks me to do when itcomes to audio.

Aaron Pete (16:46):
Seems like a major moment that the studio said that
it wasn't safe for you to workthere anymore.
Then you go off and you startcreating and you do all these
things.
Why wasn't it safe for you towork there anymore?

Bingx (16:57):
I was just the rat beef.
There was, like there was.
I was at a point in time whereI'd let my ego get ahead of me
and there was an artist in thetown and he had made a song and
another song and, like, set anartist's name in the song and
then that artist, like, hadstood up for himself in a song
and then he, like respondedagain and it just rubbed me the
wrong way.
But which is not in my fuckingbusiness Nowadays.

(17:19):
I shouldn't, I wouldn't bat aneye at it.
But I was young and I wasegotistical and you know what
I'm saying.
I was like fresh on the sceneand I was trying to make a name
for myself and shit.
So, you know, I put my twocents in on it on a song and the
artist didn't like that verymuch, but so he responded with a
song and then one of his homiesresponded with a song and it

(17:40):
was like it was all gangsteroriented in a sense of like.
One of the songs was calledlike domestic violence and it
was like a you know, gangstermentality is what I'm saying
Basically like I was gonna getkilled.
You know, lyrics were like pullup on that boy in traffic and
clap him with a nine and stufflike that.
So you know, then now I'm at apoint where you know I'm driving

(18:02):
around the city with my son andI'm like, damn, I might get
shot at, you know.
And so this studio obviouslyknows these artists.
They probably recorded thesongs there.
So they were like no, like youcan't record anymore, it's not
safe, cause we're not trying toget the spot shot at.

Aaron Pete (18:15):
Yeah, that's one of the challenges I would say that
not just rappers, but primarilyrappers go through, because
there's something alluring tothe public about beefs, about
issues, about disagreements.
You see how well like Eminemand MGK's videos did when they
were going against each otheryou see, when people get into

(18:36):
these disagreements, that pullsus in.
I know when I watch interestingpodcast it will be heated
argument between this person andthis person on this topic and
then you're like, oh, what'sgoing on?
What are they disagreeing on?
And that almost pulls us in,which can be so dangerous for
the individuals involved.

Bingx (18:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean everybody just needs tomind their own fucking business
at the end of the day.
You know what I mean.
Like I don't speak on that.
You know one thing I realizedabout myself even just working.
I work at a public studio.
I work with a lot of artists.
They come in and out and I heara lot of negative hatred talk
when people come in, peopletalking shit about it as artists
and these.
And I realized, the more I getinto the scene, like I don't
really share opinions, like thatI'm not out here.

(19:13):
That's one thing that that rapbeef taught me was like mind
your fucking business.
So I keep my opinions to myself.
If I don't like something, Ijust don't like it.
It doesn't mean I have to goand tell you that I don't like
it.
I don't have to go out here andtrash somebody's name or
whatever.
It takes a lot.
You'd have to really dosomething personal to me for me
to speak on you without youbeing there, if that makes sense

(19:34):
, so like.
But I realized that that is thegeneration, that's what people
do.
They'll like right now I couldgo make a professional looking
video on a green screen, hiresomebody to wear a new suit.
Put NBC, fox News, whatever, inthe fucking bottom left corner
and say Joe Biden has HIV.
Test became public today and itwould spread like wildfire and

(19:57):
it's fake, but people would seeit.
And then they reiterate it.
And then people come watch thevideo and then, now what?
Everybody knows that Joe Bidenhas HIV when he doesn't.
I mean, I don't know, but justan example.
But that's how hatred works.
You know what I'm saying?
Like people share negativeopinion.
I fucking hate this.
People are bonding over mutualhatred.
That's why relationships arefragile and it's just a shitty

(20:21):
time that we live in now.

Aaron Pete (20:22):
regard, Okay, I do have some actual questions that
I wanna get to, but you'vespoken about something that
really interests me.
One of the challenges I findpodcasters face is something
called audience capture, andit's where we start seeing what
gets the views and then we juststart chasing that rather than
why we got into the game.
And for rappers, I think thatthere's something similar to
that, where you start to makesongs and you start to realize

(20:44):
you hit a certain point.
You talk about certain things,you're gonna get views on that,
you're gonna keep hitting it,but it's not what nourishes your
soul, it's not what actuallymeans something to you.
It's what's checking a box forother people and it might not be
what they need.
It might be what they likebecause they can tune in and
they get kind of a reaction, butit's not something meaningful
and full of depth.
And one thing that you'vementioned is, if Drake rapped

(21:05):
one of your songs, it would geta Grammy, and I couldn't agree
with you more.
But so often rappers go to whatwill go viral rather than what
is deep and meaningful andimpactful.
How do you make sure that youfind that balance?
Because I'm sure you can lookat a rapper and say if you make
these type of five songs, you'regonna do really well, be gonna
be empty inside and it's gonnabe nothing to you because it's
not your voice.
You're just repeating what fiveother people have said 10,000

(21:28):
million other times.

Bingx (21:31):
Yeah, I kind of I look at intentions.
So if I make a song about, forinstance, me carrying a pistol
around and bucking at a people,what am I inviting into my life?
I'm inviting people to comecheck me.
I'm inviting people to come andtest me.
I'm inviting that type ofenergy.
If I make a song, it's true ina sense of, even if that is true

(21:53):
, if I'm really doing that, I'mstill inviting that.
It doesn't mean that I have totalk about it.
If that's how I live my life,does that make sense?
Yeah, so like, if I'm like, forinstance, if I'm dealing drugs,
I'm not gonna go make a songand talk about how much drugs I
sell, because then everybody'sgonna fucking know how much
drugs I sell.
You know what I'm saying?
That's just stupid to me.

(22:14):
It doesn't make no sense.
You're tattling on yourself butyou're also inviting that
energy in.
So frequencies are, you know, Ihave frequency on my knuckles.
But frequencies are the youknow life, they're the universe,
they're everything that wetouch, see, hear, breathe, smell
, everything.
It's all frequencies, it's alleverything.
And you vibrate at a certainfrequency and you would trap

(22:38):
certain frequencies when youvibrate a certain frequency.
So if I'm making, you know, ifI put it out there in the world
that I wanna work at, you know,this type, one type of
establishment, and I go apply it, 10 of those types of
establishment, I'm putting thatfrequency out there that I wanna
work there and eventuallysomebody's gonna fucking hire me
.
That's a very small, closed,cut, fucking concise analogy,
but that's the same, for likebeing true to yourself and

(23:01):
people have different sides ofthemselves.
So you know, like this thinggoing on in the industry right
now with D1, he's calling outall these artists.
For you know, you made it outof the hood, you made it out
from this gangster mentality.
This you know killer, be killed, flight of flight, response on
a 24 hour basis.
You made it out of this area ofyour life and now you're famous
, but yet you still talk aboutthat.

(23:23):
And yet you're driving, you'reliving in a $4.2 million house
and you drive a $1.5 million car, and you know what I mean.
Like you don't have to do anyof those things anymore.
Why are you still talking aboutit?
And you know the answer is yeah, because it sells.
So I agree with you there.
But there's multiple facets toeverybody and like maybe that is
a part of your life.
So you know what do you wannaattract and those are the type

(23:43):
of fans that you wanna have andthat's the life that you wanna
live.
Then go ahead, man.
It's your life.
You know I don't have to dothat For me.
I write my songs, I listen tothem back and I think what is
the intention behind this?
Like, what frequencies am Iputting out there right now when
I release the song?
And there's sometimes I'll saysome shit in a song that I'm

(24:04):
guilty of it too.
You know I don't really call mygirl a bitch, right Like I'll
be, like I might be jokingaround, playful with her.
Be like, shut up, bitch, youknow what I'm saying, or
whatever.
You know what I'm saying, likethat.
But I'm not like, yeah, this ismy bitch, like I don't, I don't
talk like that, but I've saidthat in a song.
You know Like.
And so you know I'm guilty ofit too.

(24:24):
And you know I think it's alljust learning and growing and
trying to figure out what thereturn is on what you're
investing.
Because if you're investingsolid, true energy and you're
only being yourself, well, it'sprobably a lot more boring than
this grandiose kind of flashy,little bit exaggerated version

(24:45):
of you.
But you know when is it?
When does it really become alie?
Because if I, you know what Imean by that is when you're
putting all this out into theworld to get heard.
You know like I could go changethe world, right?
I could do that with mymentality, the way that I think,
the pain and the trauma and thePTSD that I have, and the way

(25:07):
that I've made it through it andthe way that I conquer my and
face my demons every day.
I could help a lot of people.
But let's say, I try for 15years and I never get a big
platform and I get.
You know, I maybe help 100people For a lot of people.

Aaron Pete (25:20):
That's not enough.

Bingx (25:21):
So they're like well, let me compromise this X, y and Z
so I can get the eyes on me, sonow I can make the statements
and live the life that I want tolive, you know.
And then when does it change?
You know, when does it shiftinto like, well damn, now I'm
making money.
So I kind of want to just lowkey, keep this up.
And it's, it's hard and at thebottom of it all, it's all just
attention and it's greed based.
You know, people don't want to.

(25:42):
People do want a Lamborghini,but they'd rather know, they'd
rather you know that they have aLamborghini.
Does that make sense?

Aaron Pete (25:48):
That absolutely makes sense, and I think that
that's so true.

Bingx (25:51):
So you know, it's for me it's just.
I listen to the songs after Iwrite them and I record them and
I ask myself I'm like damn like, did I really reverberate with
this?
Is this, is this, you know?
Does this make me feel goodinside?
Is this, is this what I'mactually feeling?
And a lot of times I'll gochange like two lines or a word
or be like no, I wasn't beingcompletely truthful there.
Let me switch this line and letme change this punch line, and

(26:12):
then I'll listen back again.
I'm like, all right, that's himright there.
And then sometimes, you know, Iget to write the first track.

Aaron Pete (26:18):
So you've done a lot of interviews on the song I'm
about to ask you about.
So I apologize in advance thatyou've done the interviews on
the song and you've been asked agambit of questions on it, but
I do think that they missed oneof the most important points of
the song.
Your song it's a Big Deal hasbeen out for some time now and
you've done interviews on it andpeople have asked questions,
but one question I cannotbelieve they ask.

(26:40):
As a host, I often go what am Ibringing to the table?
What value am I bringing?
But the one question.
I listened to like three orfour different interviews and
they all asked about the song,but they didn't ask about the
underlying philosophy of thissong that I think is so
absolutely crucial that peopleneed to hear.
This should be automaticallydownloaded onto people's alarm
systems when they wake up in themorning.

(27:02):
Is this song?
Because it's exactly what youneed to hear when you're
starting out your day.
What are you going to do withyour life?
Realize that it's only 80 years.
Realize that most people lettheir life fly by and they don't
do anything with it and they doa nine to five to get by and
they never realized what theirtrue potential was, whatever
that potential might look like,and they completely miss out.
And then they wonder what theheck happened.

(27:23):
And I think it's so important.
My partner showed me the songand it was so motivational and
so inspirational that I was likethis every one of my friends
needs to hear this song tounderstand where they're at in
their life and where they couldbe.
Because I have friends outthere that are kind of like I'm
kind of chasing my passion butI'm kind of putting in 10% and
getting 10% back and wonderingwhy the world isn't praising me.

(27:46):
They're not putting in thatfull energy.
And in the song it was allfacts.
It was all exactly what youneed to hear and, as somebody
who grew up without a father, itwas something that I wish a
father had have told me.
It was all of that informationabout how to live a good life.
Would you mind please tellingour listeners about?
It's a big deal.

Bingx (28:05):
I was actually.
I was working, I was layingcarpet when I wrote that song.
I was walking around a job sitein between, like in between
working.
I was writing it at work.
But for me it was just one day.
You wake up and you're eitherdoing what you love or you're
not and you realize it.
I've had many of those momentsin my life where I wake up and

(28:26):
I'll randomly become gratefuland I'm just like I thank God,
I'm like dude fucking.
Hey, I know life sucks a lotsometimes, but thanks, this
shit's awesome, like a littleconversation like that.
For me to have moments likethat, I had to have had music in
my life.
So I found music early andshaped me as a soul, as a you
know.
I've got a lot of depth to theway I think and feel and I don't

(28:49):
play in the shallow end.
I'm not in the kiddie pool withmy emotions, with my thought
processes, any of that.
I'm always in the deep end.
I'm ready to dive in.
I want to figure it out.
I want to figure out how thingstake.
I want to figure out how I take, and I feel like that's what's
lost a lot with people.
That's the disconnect they'renot ready to dive in there's too
scared to look at themselves.
They're too scared to askthemselves the hard questions

(29:12):
ask themselves am I happy?
Is this what I want to be doing?
Are these the people that Ishould spend time around?
Am I in shape?
Am I the person that I want tobe?
Am I?
No, you're not, because you'renot happy.
So the only way to change thatis just to go out and change it
and do it now, because whetheryou're 19 or 49, you've still

(29:33):
got time left.
You know what I'm saying.
Maybe you had a shitty run for30 years Okay, cool.
What's next?
You're still breathing.
Wake up and get to it.
If you change 1% every day for100 days, you're a whole new
person.
You know what I'm saying.
100%, yeah exactly.

Aaron Pete (29:55):
That's what it is.
Yeah, exactly 100%.

Bingx (29:58):
But I'm saying you're building a wall and you're
thinking about this process oflike, damn, I got to build this
shit 10 feet high and 20 feetlong for this fucking customer.
No, how do you do it?
Break by break, right?
Yeah, just focus on the nextbreak.
The most important step a mancan take is the next one.
It's always the next one Forall of us.
Shout out to Brandon Sandersonfor that one.

(30:19):
But it's true, like literallythe most important step that
anybody can take is the next one.
Who cares what you did yesterday?
Who cares what you did 10minutes ago?
Yeah, you fucking screamed atsomebody, you called him a bitch
, you punched somebody, you gotarrested.
You got arrested.
Whatever the fuck it is, itjust happened.
Cool, what's next?
What are you going to do now?
Because now that you know thatyou don't want to be that person

(30:39):
or do these things or say thesethings, what are you going to
do now and how are you gonnaapply yourself to do that?
Well, I'm gonna start by rightnow.
I'm gonna not call this girl abitch.
When I'm talking to her, I'mgonna start right now by not
losing my temper.
When somebody makes me angry,I'm not gonna snap in my kid.
I'm not gonna drive drunkwhatever the fuck it is you know
saying that's the first stepthat I can take actions.
I.

Aaron Pete (31:00):
Couldn't agree more.
I actually worked in the courtsystem for five years, working
with people who have assaultedtheir partners, committed crimes
, stolen, done all types ofthings, and the thing that I
always found that we forgot toask people is not just the
little thing Are you gonna go tocounseling, are you gonna
attend your next meeting, areyou gonna do this?
That another thing, but it wasmore about where do you want to

(31:20):
be in 20 years?
And we stop asking that peopleto people.
At a certain point, what isyour true potential at like 30
years old?
I interviewed Jayzak and he hasa line in there where he's like
when do we stop believing inpeople that they could make a
change in their life, that theycould improve things?
We stop having that faith afterlike 30 years old that people
could go on and do amazingthings, and I think that that's

(31:41):
so tragic and exactly what yoursong speaks to, which I find is
missing in our culture, likewhoever is supposed to tell us
these things, whether it'steachers, professors, educators,
family members, loved onesthey're not telling that set
that anymore, and Vin Jay talksabout this like Rappers are the
new prophets, and I think thatthat's true in that this is the

(32:02):
last place people can go to tohear that type of advice.

Bingx (32:07):
Yeah, I would say the entertainment industry more than
just rappers, because you knowyou have people like you Do
podcasts.
They that people that domotivational podcasts,
motivational speakers they havebusiness motivational speakers
they have.
They have emotional counseling,like there's a lot of places
you can go and get this too, butit's all in some form of you
know, group session orentertainment or some some type

(32:27):
of thing like that you can goget the information.
Or, you know, you just pick upa book, you know a lot of people
don't read.
I don't know why.
I read a lot.
I've read Hundreds and hundredsof books.
I've read definitely read overa thousand books.
I don't know how many books,but and I've got 350 books on my
phone I've read I don't evenknow how many times.
I've read some of them five orsix times, and I read a lot.

(32:48):
I learned a lot from books.

Aaron Pete (32:50):
I learned a lot.
Is there a stand-up book to you?
Is there one that stands out inyour mind?

Bingx (32:58):
You know, believe it or not, fantasy fiction is.
Probably.
My favorite series is probablythe Furies of Calderon by Jim
Butcher or the StormlightArchive by Brandon Sanderson.
You just get to watch their,their epics, so you get to grow
with the characters.
You know they.
They develop over time.
They started at, like, you know, 15 or 20 years old and by the

(33:19):
end book they're like 40 orwhatever.
You know that's an epic but youknow getting, you fall in love
with these characters and youwatch them get put into
compromise positions to wherethey have to break their morals
to Move forward.
But instead of doing that,because that's what society
expects of them, they change thefucking rules.
They, you know I'm saying theystep up and they pass their
barriers and they break throughtheir ceilings and they, they

(33:42):
conquer their demons and you getto see how deep those demons go
just reading the book and youfall in love with these
characters, backstories and howmuch trauma they've had.
And you know, obviously it'sfantasy but at the same time
you're still watching somebodygrow and a lot of Mentalities
that you know like.
Brandon Sanderson is aphenomenal writer.
I think he's the best writer ofour generation and If you just
watch the way that he paints theworld and you and you just

(34:05):
picture it and you listen to howhe describes these characters,
pains and losses and traumas,and how they affect their
Decisions and how, how much dirtthe world's thrown on them, but
yet they still have madesomething of themselves, like.
All of those things areinformation.
Every book I read, it isinformation from that character,
from this character, from thiscity.
How this, you know how thiscity runs and whether this,
whether it's a magical city orit's just a regular fucking city

(34:27):
, like there's still people withmorals and things that they you
know.
You know saying like it's stillCharacter building and and when
it's character building, as faras books, it's also building
your character as a human being,because you get to ask yourself
these questions that nobody'sasked you before and that's all.
From Just reading, you can readwhatever you want.
You want to read fucking crimenovels?
Cool, go read crime novels, youcan.

(34:47):
You can it'll if it strikesyour mind that way.
Guess what now?
You, now, you know how to beanalytical.
They know how to break thingsdown and and observe small
details.
Boom, you just learned thatfrom reading the fucking book,
you know saying like that's,that's.
That's a lot that people.
That's.
One big thing that a lot ofpeople don't do is read and and
and you know, I don't knowwhether you do audio book or, if
you can't read, just do the.

(35:08):
You know, in a sense of whetheryou don't know how or you're
just not the best reader.
Do audio book but like, getinformation, stop stop.
People need to stop doing this.
They feed, they read all that,the the flashy, shallow
information on here and thenthat's all the knowledge they
have.

Aaron Pete (35:25):
You're absolutely right.
Jordan Peterson has this linethat when you read a book or
when you watch a movie, you areevery single one of the
characters and you can start tounderstand those characters
Immediately.
We are ingrained and taught andlike born to do that as a
process.
But we do have to get to youralbum high frequency with Vin
Jay.
I've been dying to ask you somequestions about it.

(35:47):
First, how did that album comeabout?
Because I had the privilege ofspeaking with Vin Jay and I just
from your perspective, how didthat album come about?

Bingx (35:55):
I.
Can't remember the we linkedover the internet and we hopped
on FaceTime and you know he waslike he was like shooting music
video.
He had all the fucking skeletalfucking paint on and shit.
I was like what up, bro, we'refucking chopping it up.
And you know we kept in touchand I can't remember exactly how

(36:16):
it Panned out, but at one pointwe started talking about making
an album and he was like,fucking, I'm just gonna come to
Seattle.
Then he goes.
I want somebody that can bringme out of my, out of my box and
make me make me uncomfortable.
And I was like, well, I'm goodfor that.
So fucking, come on down.
Hey, fucking flew out and youstay with me, I believe for five
nights and six days left on thesixth day and we made like 20,

(36:38):
20 songs or something like that,18 or 20 songs and that in that
week and it was just a blastman.
We, you know I Took someshrooms a couple of nights while
he was there and you know, justlike a little bit.
And you know I was feeling theenergy in the room and we were
talking, getting to know eachother and it was.
We were just discussed, we werediscovering each other
musically and humanely, while wewere discovering what his album

(37:01):
wanted to sound like and man itwas, it was a blast.
I really enjoy working with in JHe'sa.
He's a, you know, he's a verydeep thinker as well and
Phenomenal talent.
So it just Probably on thefourth day we realized like, oh,
we got something special here,like this is dope, this is
really dope.
And then the song Human or highfrequency, the one that's on

(37:23):
YouTube with the music video.
That happened after he left.
Really, yeah, that was the thetime.
I think it's the title track,but yeah, that happened after he
left.
I I woke up one day and I playedthat bass line on my keyboard
and I started writing that I'dlike just got done listening to
some like Andre 3000 or someshit, and and I was like hella
inspired.
So I made that bass line, Ijust started rapping on it and,

(37:44):
you know, and I got like I gothalfway through the song and I
was like, damn, this is, i'masend this to me and I send it to
Vin and he was like, yeah, Igot you and he hopped on that
and then that that ended upbeing the that was.
I think it was a final track weadded to that one.

Aaron Pete (37:57):
Yeah, One of the parts that really inspires me is
we have kind of metrics for rap.
We'll say you're a lyricist,we'll say that you're a mumble
rapper.
We have kind of like boxes willput people in, but the the depth
of how you think and the two ofyou put together, though the
depths that you go to it's likeI'll go back to that and be like
I never looked at that, thatverse from this Perspective, or

(38:19):
I'm going through this new thingand now I'm starting to see how
that verse kind interacts withthis new problem that I'm facing
, that there's an unmet measurethat we need to have, which is
the depth of an album or depthof a song that that can impact a
person, where you can continue,go back there and it nourishes
you because it gives you thatdeeper understanding of how to
look at people and how toprocess things and not to take

(38:41):
things personally and to makesure you're living a good life
All of these really valuabletools in that whole album that I
still go back to and go.
This is fresh and it's it's afew years old in terms of what I
was made, but it's still sorelevant and nothing has aged
about the importance of theinformation within each song.

Bingx (38:58):
Yeah, absolutely.

Aaron Pete (39:02):
What was the development process for that
song?
Like for all of those songs,what was the process to get to
that depth with another person?
Because you might be able tohave those thoughts and he has
those thoughts.
But I'm just wondering, how doyou two get onto that same high
frequency and be able to meeteach other there?
Because you build off of eachother's ideas in each song.

Bingx (39:24):
Yeah, no, I mean, it was basically like I do scats.
Do you know what a?

Aaron Pete (39:27):
scat is.
Vinjay started to describe itto me, but if you could give a
refresher, yeah, here's anexample.

Bingx (39:34):
So I'll play this little guitar thing right here and I'll
this is just a little loop, butI'll put it in the session and
make it like three minutes long,like three minutes of a loop,
and then I'll just press recordand I'll go in the booth and
I'll do something like this.
I'm not really saying much butI'm trying to find a phonetic

(40:01):
structure of the song, like thevowels that feel good, like you
can have.
For instance, you could have ayeah on a song that's three
notes on the piano and go, eee,and it sounds terrible.
Even it's the same notes on thepiano but it's different vowel,
because the vowel, the phonetic, the phonetic resonance of the
vowel doesn't match the key ofthe song and the instruments.
So that's what I'm looking forwhen I do that and I'll record

(40:22):
that, and I'm looking forpockets and schemes and and just
you know it's just mumble,basically with some vowel
starting and, and then I get thewhole song sometimes like that,
and then I'll just write tothose, I'll write to the words,
to the scats.

Aaron Pete (40:34):
And I think you taught Vin J this on that first
experience right, Like he wasstill developing the skill set.

Bingx (40:40):
Yeah, no for sure.
We went in there we don't winand he had expressed to me that
he wanted to do more melodicstuff, more singing stuff.
So I was like just fucking divein, bro.
And you know we got there andstarted doing the scats.
So he would do a scat on a song, I would do a scat on a song
and then you know we'd followhis vision on a song, we'd
follow my vision on a song andyou know I'll sing a hook and

(41:01):
he's like let me do this versefor you, let me do this verse
real quick.
And then I'm like, damn, youwent, you went really in depth
in that verse.
Let me, when I had my verse,let me, let me kind of follow,
or let me do the alternateperspective or whatever.
You know, just feeding off eachother, feeding off each other.
And when you have two peoplethat separately make really good
music most of the time, whenyou get together, you're going

(41:22):
to make good music Most of thetime.
Yeah, so you know differentprocesses, different, different
perceptions and the way that weperceive things and how we, how
we think the song should go.
You know I might go up on amelody when he goes down, and
you know, for me that's greatpause, but I think that the most
important part of the wholecollaborating thing is just

(41:45):
letting each other live withwith each other's energy, like
like the scatting part of it.
Like let me go in there andscat something that you're going
to write to, and then you go inthere and scat something that
I'm going to write to, let me,let me live with your energy for
a bit, because you're going todo a different pocket cadence,
rhythm, scale than I'm going todo, because your history and
your influences are differentthan mine.

Aaron Pete (42:06):
There are so many life lessons in that.
The first one that I'm thinkingof is I've heard this line and
it's in a song people are energyvampires.
And that's a line from Russ,and the idea is that you can be
around people who drag you downconstantly and you come out, you
wake up out of bed and you'reready to go, and you're ready to
make everybody happy, and thesun is shining, and then people

(42:28):
suck that energy right out ofyou.
We often don't recognize thatthe opposite is true that you
can get into a room withsomebody you can vibe with and
they're going to build off ofyour energy in a positive way.
And listening to an interviewwith Jeff Bezos and Lex Friedman
, he talks about this idea thatwhen you have an idea, don't be

(42:48):
around people who areimmediately going to shoot it
down.
Let that idea breathe, and bearound people who are going to
say okay, that's the beginningof an idea.
What about if we build here andif we build there and you
remain open minded and you don'timmediately go?
That's stupid, that sucks,that's wrong, that's incorrect.
I would do it this way.
You're wrong when you start tolet those people in.
It can be a challenge.

(43:08):
You work with so many differentartists.
How do you figure out how toflow with them in a healthy way
that's going to bring about thebest type of music?

Bingx (43:18):
I adapt really well.
So for me, I pay attention to alot of things that I don't.
A lot of times I don't evenknow what I'm doing.
But like, for instance, I'llmeet artists and I hang out with
them for 30 or 40 minutes andI'll subconsciously start using
the slang or lingo that they'resaying, because I understand
that that makes them feelcomfortable like innately, and
I'll catch myself doing it afterthey leave.

(43:39):
I'm like damn, I really sleepinto that one.
Just I don't know, adapting tomy environment.
And when I work with artists Ijust test the waters.
First, I'll say somethingthat's maybe a little
contradictory or a little bluntand see how they respond to it.
And if they respond well toblunt energy, then I can just be
completely open and blunt withthem.

(43:59):
Sometimes they're defensive.
A lot of times they'redefensive and sensitive about
their opinions and whatnot.
So I have to constructivelytell them to change what they
did and figure out a way tomaneuver around their traumas
and their PTSD and theirtriggers and whatnot.
But everybody has greatness inthem.
So you know, all you have to dois find it.

Aaron Pete (44:23):
The other person that I have to ask about.
You did Champion with Echo andthat was such a motivational
song.
I have that song going anytimeI'm on a run, anytime I'm at the
gym.
Would you mind talking aboutmaking that song?

Bingx (44:34):
Man, I got that.
I found this weird synth onSplice and I was like I like the
melody but I don't like it.
So I altered it and pitched itway down and it was like and I
was like, oh, that's fire.
So I wrote the verse to it andall I had was a verse on there
forever.
And then one day I woke up andI was like this needs like rock

(44:56):
drums.
So I started producing the reallive drums on the hook and I was
like, yo, this sounds, this islike an anthem, like for
champions.
And then I freestyle that hookand, like one take, I was like I
got a solo of a champion.
I was like, oh, that's himright there, that's the one,
that's the one.
And then Echo and I weretalking about potentially having
me produce some songs for him.
So I made some beats for him.

(45:18):
And then I was like, hey, man,I got a couple of songs later on
to have open verses Like I'mgoing to send you those and see
if you like them.
And I sent him champion.
He was like, oh, fuck this up.

Aaron Pete (45:26):
He's like, yeah yeah , yeah, yeah, let's do this one.
I'm like all right, bet.

Bingx (45:30):
So I had that shit sitting around for probably a
year and a half.

Aaron Pete (45:34):
Can I just ask about the personal experience of
you've talked about this in aninterview you did with Nashville
on Sign which is just keepingthat love of the passion, like
loving what you're doing, andwhat is it like to make a song,
to make a beat, to write thatverse and to be like man, I did
that, Like I actually made thatand I'm actually proud of it and

(45:55):
I actually want people to hearthat because it's something I
created.
That's really good.

Bingx (46:00):
Like what do you mean?
Like what's it like?
Is that what you're like Are?

Aaron Pete (46:02):
you able to sit with that, Like some some rappers
I've interviewed, they're likeno, it's hard to sit with that.
I'm on to the next song.
I need to make a new single.
I need to keep going and somepeople are able to sit back and
really process that they areproud of who they are as a
creator.

Bingx (46:16):
Oh yeah, I mean, I have songs that I listened to this
day I made a long time ago thatyou know like still make me cry.
And you know I have songs thatI go to when I'm feeling happy
or when I'm having a fucked upday or anything like that, and
really process it.
And you know, sometimes you canadmire who you are Like.
I'll admire who I was the daythat I wrote that song and the
strength of my mentality thatday, because I'm lacking that on

(46:38):
the day that I'm listening toit and I'm searching for it, I'm
trying to find the strength tomake it through the day.
But on the day that I wrotethat song, I felt powerful and
you know I felt in control andyou know living in a place of
determination and drive insteadof doubt and uncertainty.
You know what I'm saying.

(46:59):
So you can admire that's onething that we can do as artists.
We can admire the person thatwrote that song, even though it
was us, but I can admire theversion of myself that I was
that day and I can take powerand strength from that.
I can admire the person thatjust processed this fucking
breakup and instead of trashingher and doing this, or instead
of losing their mind and orisolating themselves from the
world, they're going to go telleverybody how they're feeling

(47:21):
and how close they were tobreaking.
And you know, whatever it is,you can go back there and do
that.
So I do very much value livingwith the music afterwards.
But also on the other side,I've got seven hard drives with
over 2000 songs on them thatnobody's ever heard.
So you know there's that too.

Aaron Pete (47:38):
That is wild.
Are you able to tour us aroundand give us an understanding of
how you make music?

Bingx (47:44):
Yeah Well, I gave you a little bit of it already.
But basically for me, I sitdown Either fresh, without
listening to any musicbeforehand, and I'll have like
some type of energy that day.
It'll be sad, I want to.
I want a minor scale, minor keyGuitar or piano.
Some days I'm somber.

(48:06):
I want to.
I want the same thing, but Iwant it.
You know, I wanted a little bitslower so I can sing a ballad on
it.
Other days I'm having a greatfucking day.
You know, I just got a, I justgot a big paycheck, or I just
got to spend the day with my sonor whatever the fuck it is, and
I'm like I need some upbeat.
You know, whatever it is, I'lltake whatever I'm feeling and I
try and capture that because Ithink I believe that music is
just captured energy.
So you know, sometimes you can,you can make a song when you're

(48:29):
feeling really happy and makethis happy pop song or whatever
it is, and then go try and recutthe vocals the next day because
you didn't like parts and youcan't do it because the energy's
gone, it doesn't sound the same, doesn't feel the same.
So the process for me is justanytime that I feel anything?
I Know it sounds like something.

Aaron Pete (48:48):
Yeah, there are a lot of artists that I know,
whether they're photographers,rappers or just creators in
general, that they start to burnthemselves out and they start
to lose that love of the game.
They start to disconnect.
Are you just able to give alittle bit of advice?
From your years of experienceand your ability to work with so
many different creators, whatadvice or what recommendations
would you have for them on theirjourney?

Bingx (49:11):
When people fall in love with something, they fall in
love with the ability that theyattained and are attained and
are attaining to do whatever itis that they love.
You're not just falling in lovewith making music.
If you love, you have a passionfor making music.
You have a passion for growingin music, for learning how to
get better and making that nextsong.
And then people start chasingsongs, or they chase that

(49:33):
feeling of how what they gotfrom making that one song or
whatever it is.
People need to allow themselvesto live and if you have
writer's block or whatever, allI'd say is is don't think about
it like writer's block.
Think about it like you justneed to apply yourself to a new
skill set within the same familytree of whatever it is.
So for me, if I don't feel likewriting a song this day, if I

(49:54):
don't wanna make a rap song,I'll make a singing song.
If I don't feel like making anysongs, I'll just make a beat.
If I don't feel like making abeat, I'll just mix a song, I'll
just work on music.
If I don't wanna do any of that, I'll just play the piano for a
little bit.
I'm gonna go do something,because music makes me happy.
Music is what I love.
So if the passion is just musicin general and it doesn't have
to be a specific part of themusic, yeah, there's our

(50:16):
favorite parts of said whateverit is.
Some people love performing onstage but they hate going on
tour because they're away fromtheir family for two months.
Right, but you can't have onewithout the other.
So the end of the day, you knowwhat I mean it's the music that
you love.
So I would say, just pick up anew skill set.
Pick it up.
If you edit videos and you'refucking, or you shoot videos and

(50:38):
you edit them and you'regetting worn out, or whatever,
pick up a new skill set in there.
Pick up, learn a new way ofediting, learn a new way of
shooting videos.
Learn you know shoot.
Try learning how to shoot slowmo film, try whatever it is.
Try attaining a new skillwithin there that you have to
apply yourself to get good at it, because that's the part that

(51:03):
makes us passionate.
It's that climb up the ladderwhere we're getting better and
we can see the progress and weknow that that next step is
coming, that next level iscoming.
That's what gives us thedetermination and drive to
continue to go.
If you just did something andyou always sucked at it, you
know what I mean.
You're probably not gonna wannado it for very long.
Or you might just love to do it, even though you suck at it,

(51:26):
and you're not trying to getbetter at it, you just do it
because you love it.
That's cool too, but you'reprobably not losing passion for
something like that, because ifyou suck at it and you're still
doing it, you know.

Aaron Pete (51:35):
Binks, I have to call you an absolute inspiration
and I think, more importantlyto me, you are a philosopher.
I find that you have a reallystrong mindset and a deep
understanding of things, and Ifind that really admirable.
I can't thank you enough forbeing willing to do this.
I think your journey from whatyou've shared today, I'm sure
that there's so much more.

(51:56):
Your journey is also soinspirational and motivational
to people.
I saw on Instagram that youjust got engaged and I have to
wish you a congratulations onthat.
I'm so happy for you to sharethe story from where you started
in this interview to where youare today.
You are making such a positiveimpact, inspiring people like
myself with your music and withyour creative abilities.
I am so grateful to have beenable to speak with you today.

Bingx (52:19):
Yeah, man.
Thanks for having me on theshow, bro.
It's been a real professionaland it's been awesome.
I liked all the questions youasked.
It was nice.
You did some homework too,which was awesome.
I'm glad to be a part of theshow, man.
Let me know when it comes outand whatnot, so I can share it
and do all the social mediastuff.

Aaron Pete (52:36):
Sounds good.
I owe Vin J Big One for thisone, because this has just
exceeded expectations in mywildest dreams.

Bingx (52:43):
Go team man.
What's up, man?
I hope you have a great rest ofyour day.
I'm about to.
I got a client pulling up herein like two minutes to the
studio.
But thanks again for having meon the show.
And yeah, man, you got mynumber.
Give me up sometime.

Aaron Pete (52:54):
Sounds good.
Enjoy.
Best of luck tonight.
Thank you again, and yes, Iwill share this with you once
it's out All right brother havea good night.
You too.
I'll see you guys next time.