April 29, 2025 • 28 mins
Curious about cargo e-bikes but hesitant to invest thousands without trying one first? North Vancouver has created an elegant solution that's transforming how families approach transportation decisions. All you need is a library card to check one out.
Duncan Wilcock, co-founder of Better North Shore, joins Bike Sense to share the story behind North Vancouver's groundbreaking cargo e-bike library program.
Contact Duncan at duncan@wilcock.ca
BetterNorthShore.ca
More info for people wanting to start up a cargo bike lending program in their own municipality:
DNV Libraries Cargo Bike Program
District of North Vancouver Cargo Bike Pilot Program
The Joy of E-Biking on the North Shore
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to Bike Sense , the BC Cycling Coalition's
podcast, where we talk about allthings related to active
transportation advocacy in BC.
I'm your host, peter Ladner,chair of the board of the BC
Cycling Coalition.
I hope you enjoy the show.
Even for those of us who arelongtime cyclists, the world of
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e-bikes is sometimes a bit of amystery.
For people who are alreadye-bike riders, like myself, the
world of cargo bikes isdefinitely a mystery, and there
is somebody in North Vancouverwho has dedicated a lot of time
to come up with a program tohelp solve that mystery.
His name is Duncan Wilcock.
He's our guest today.
Duncan, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Thank you, peter, pleased to meet you.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Could you introduce yourself and describe how you
fit into the world of cargoe-bikes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
My day job.
I'm a sustainability consultantwith Prism Engineering and in
my passion projects I'veco-founded an organization
called Better North Shore herein North Vancouver and a few
years ago I approached the city,approached the district of
North Vancouver with an idea.
I came up with an idea with aneighbor of how some of our
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neighbors were not using theywere buying a second car and we
were thinking how can we helpthem explore, look at options,
transportation options,including cargo bikes.
My neighbor had a cargo bike.
He's a real hardcore cyclist,so his isn't even electric
assist.
But we realized wouldn't it benice if you could go to the
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library and see them?
It's actually Lynn ValleyLibrary, it's a beautiful space
and it's a square, if you sawthem there outside and you could
just take one from the libraryand test it out and maybe have
it for a few days and see how itfits into your life.
So that was the idea and wewent from there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Could you, just before we get into it, what's it
like riding a cargo bike?
How is it different?
You have a child.
Describe what it's like for youto ride around with a heavy
load and enter that world alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That's right.
I have a seven-year-old.
He's been riding my bike sincehe was one year old.
I got my bike around the timehe was born.
It is such a joy.
He's a little boy and there'sno better tool than an electric
electric bike or cargo bike toget right next to a construction
site.
Sit there for hours and justwatch the machines and the
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changes happen.
It is just magical.
He's right there with me, I cantalk to him.
I can stop immediately at theside of the road if he has
questions.
We're never stuck in traffic.
We have no traffic Easy parking.
I can talk to him.
I can stop immediately at theside of the road if he has
questions.
We're never stuck in traffic.
We have no traffic Easy parking.
It's just fun.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now just describe the bike though, because your son
is sitting behind you on thisbike.
He's not in a box out in front,is that right?
And if he's behind, how do youmake sure he doesn't fall off?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh, so he's held in securely with bike seats.
He's one from Thule, whichmakes a great one for a long
time when he was in the youngeryears and now got a little
bigger one that's made for hisweight.
He's about a 50-pound kid and Ithink it'll be good for another
few years with him.
So my bike is not a cargo bike.
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I don't personally ride a cargobike.
I have definitely explored themand looked closely at them and
because I have one child I'mable to make it work.
But the attraction of beingable to put a bag of soccer
balls in the front and take himto soccer practice, that's where
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my passion for cargo bikes hascome from.
And knowing that most of theother families I know have more
than one kid, certainly you'retrying to move more than one kid
.
You really kind of need theextra space that you can get
with either a cargo bike with along seat on the back or a box
bike with a big box up front.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You did a program to help introduce people to cargo
bikes.
Before we get into all of it,do you have any stories of
somebody who got involved inyour program and had some kind
of life-changing experience, orat least wonderful experience?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Here's one example that I saw.
I was out riding in thisbeautiful trail called the
Demonstration Forest in NorthVancouver.
It's about 10 kilometers ofpaved road that's through the
woods and no car traffic on it.
It's a great destination.
And I was riding up there witha colleague from work who I was
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introducing to an e-bike her andher husband or partner I guess
and we came across a family offive who were out.
They'd borrowed the two e-bikesfrom the library, so the long
tail two wheel version and thethree wheel um, three wheel
trike version, with the box upfront for the less confident
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riders, and they had the threekids in these and they'd gone up
the demo forest, had a picnic,just had a great family
adventure.
Another friend said they sawthat same family because it was
just such a joy to see later,down on what's called Grand
Boulevard I don't know, theyprobably had a 20-kilometer
adventure or something.
It was just a joy to see.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now I presume that your dream goal in setting up
this program again we'll getinto the details shortly was
that somebody like that wouldthen go aha.
I now understand how this couldwork and I will go and buy a
bike, change my life, not buythat second car.
Whatever.
Has that indeed happened?
(06:01):
You have some data now I'll askyou first Tell me about the
program.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a bike's available at a library, just one
library, Multiple libraries.
So the program started inSeptember last year.
It got, you know, from idea toget it, you know, going was you
know a couple of years.
It takes a little time for thegovernment to sort of sort
things out, Just pause for asecond there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What has to be sorted out?
You mentioned getting acounselor on side.
Do you have to get a bike storeon side?
Do you have to get the libraryon side?
How many partners need to beengaged for this to happen?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So the initial idea was I took the idea to my
councillor, jordan Beck, one ofmy councillors he's a great
councillor here in the districtof North Vancouver Rides a cargo
bike himself with his two youngkids.
Is it one of the ones?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
with his name on the side of it, like another
councillor in North.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Vancouver?
I haven't.
It's not like Tony Valente thatyou're talking about.
It's a different one fromTony's.
I don't think Jordan has hisname on it, but I bet when he
goes out campaigning he does hecertainly.
He just uses it to get aroundtown because it's the fastest
way to get around town.
Okay, so Jordan's on board.
Then what?
Yeah, he worked out how to takeit to council as a report to
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council and secured some funding.
How much District of North Bank?
About $60,000 was the initialkind of estimate.
I'd done a bunch of legwork to.
You know, the initial conceptwas that the district would buy
the library and the districtwould buy the bikes.
But that, you know, after goingthrough the, you know the
government and working themechanisms, working out the best
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way to do it, it was actuallyprovided by Evo, the car sharing
and bike sharing company that'sthe BCAA run.
That's right, that's right.
So lots of credit for them forstepping up.
And so we met with thelibrarian.
But none of this was necessaryto get it going.
Really, what happened was itwent through staff and the staff
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at the District of North Vanworked out okay.
We'd like to do this, but wedon't want to take on the
liability of owning the bikesand sending them out.
So they wanted to get anexternal contractor.
So they got an externalcontractor.
They put on the request forproposals and all that.
And that's when BCAA, I think,stepped up and was the
successful proponent Is BCAAoperating.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Do they have this capacity throughout the province
?
If somebody in Salmon Armcalled them up and said we want
to do, this.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I believe they are interested in taking it further.
Okay, yeah, theirrepresentative has given me that
indication.
I'm sure they have to look atit on a case-by-case basis, but
this was a pilot, certainly apilot for the District of North
Van and it's a pilot for forbcaa.
But it's um.
It is through their main app.
So if you have the evo app onyour phone, you can just go to
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the evo return tab and see thethe cargo bikes available there
are.
There were four libraries whenthey started in september.
I think there are two currently.
They've got a couple ofconstruction issues going on, so
they're right now they're atthe Lynn Valley Library here in
the district of North Van, andthen we have the city of North
Van which also has at theirlibrary the Lonsdale Library and
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there's two bikes available atboth locations.
There should be another twobikes available at those other
locations in the months ahead.
How much were they used?
So I mentioned it starting inSeptember kind of a late season
start really and the summaryfrom staff was they were blown
away with the adoption.
It was tremendous.
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They had 136 total trips in thetwo late season months of
September to October 2024.
1,500 kilometers were ridden.
That's more than two trips aday, with only seven bikes on
offer.
88 individual people took partand 92% of the 88 riders were
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infrequent or occasional riders,meaning they ride less than
three trips per year to date inSeptember.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Are you talking about riding cargo bikes or riding
any bikes?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Riding any bikes.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
That's the the my reading of it and do you have
any data on what they didafterwards?
Did it change their right,their transportation habits?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't have that data yet.
Um, I, I've got some.
I've got an anecdote from, uh,uh, a couple of bike shops.
One that comes to mind is theLynn Valley bike shop.
They certainly sold a cargobike to a family that said, oh,
we went and tried it out andbuying a cargo bike tried out at
the library and they're buyinga cargo bike.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So what are the barriers to buying a cargo bike?
Because I know somebody who hadone and it broke down, need to
be replaced, and she said, oh mygoodness, I don't even know
where to start.
Like, how do I assess modelsand test?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
them out and know the costs.
I'm in the middle of writing anarticle on this right now,
actually for our Better NorthShore website.
So you've decided to buy ane-bike.
I think you need a place tostore it, a safe place to store
it.
That's the first one and that'sa, you know, that's that's a
real motivator for me.
I don't have a garage.
Um, I uh, you know I have a, uh, a lockable utility trailer is
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what I use and, um, um, knowingwhether it's going to fit in
there, how long?
The bikes are a bit longer.
So that's a part of the fittingit into your life.
Where are you going to store it?
Do you have a safe place tostore it?
No, it's not going to be stolen.
End of trip facilities is the,is the the term, as I'm sure you
know, and hub cycling has agreat uh pdf on on good end of
trip facilities.
Um, cost is a barrier.
(11:28):
You know they're not.
They're more expensive than aregular e-bike what's the cost
range?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
what?
What's the minimum you you'dprobably pay for?
A decent one yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know I see a lot of people what they call on the,
the rad power, they call themdad power bikes and that's what
jordan back rides and those,those I think you can get into.
For you know, 2500, 3000,they're long tail.
Long tail tend to be a littleeasier and may seem you know
some people.
The initial take is that'sreally expensive.
But as soon as you put itbeside the price of a car if
it's a car replacer it's reallyit's a bargain.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I just paid four hundred dollars to get my car
service routine servicing yeah,twelve thousand dollars is
average cost a car for everyoneper year.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You know we're talking about purchase price.
And then no insurance.
No, no ongoing.
You know usage insurance, maybesome theft insurance if you
like.
Um, and then, uh, you know youcan buy.
There are really nice ones withparticularly the box, more the
european style, the box bike onthe front.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It can go up to the 10 000 mark are these widely
available at bike shops, even,let's say, on the north shore?
Do you have to order?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
them especially.
Um, there are a number of bikeshops on the north shore I could
name that have them.
I can think of three or four,four offhand.
I know of several over in thecity of Vancouver as well, so
they're readily available.
I believe it's part of a wavethat's coming.
All this micro mobility andelectric bikes really just so
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game changing.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Do you have any data on how many people here in,
let's just say, bc Data on howmany people here in, let's just
say, bc use cargo bikes comparedto other jurisdictions?
Because I know I was recentlyin New York City and there was a
whole world of couriers whojust ride e-bikes and cargo
bikes around.
And we see pictures, of course,of Copenhagen, with the moms
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all lined up at the coffee shopwith the cargo bikes all parked
outside while they go and havecoffee with their kids or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Canada Post and FedEx have been using them for
deliveries in the city ofVancouver, downtown Victoria,
calgary, for a few years.
I don't have any data dataspecifically to your question.
No, I can tell you.
Was it?
12 or 13 people turned up tothe cargo bike race that we held
here in North Vancouver, uh, inAugust 2023.
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That was a real hoot, got somegreat photos and got a news
article about it.
Uh, it was, uh, it was um, itwas uh.
It's worth telling about it.
It's a.
It's a mixed um.
It's inspired by one inPortland.
That's a.
It was a emergency responsedressed up as a cargo bike race.
So this, this, so the scenariois the earthquake, the big one,
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has just happened.
It's three days into theearthquake.
You're running low on water andmedical supplies.
You have a cargo bike.
You can help Because you'rewith bridges out and that sort
of thing.
It's actually a very resilientvehicle.
You could manhandle it acrossthe look some of the rivers if
we needed to.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I know my son and daughter-in-law were living in
Whistler and calculated that inthe event of a fire there, with
one road out north, one roadsouth, it would take about 10
hours for all the cars tofinally find their way out.
And he had a cargo bike loadedup with his emergency bag and
figured he could just slide upthe side of the backed up cars
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and get his way out of there.
So the pilot was completed andyou've got the data.
Is it going to continue?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So the pilot isn't completed.
It was in two parts.
It took a pause over the wintermonths, paused at the end of
October, probably because it canbe pretty hard on the bikes
with the salt, and it's just howthey define the pilot.
The bikes are back on thestreet, so the pilot is ongoing
until end of August.
So it's exciting and I wouldlove to.
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One of the great things aboutthe person who put this program
together was that he told me hemade it open sourced so that
it's very easy for another localgovernment here in BC or
elsewhere perhaps to copy themodel, copy his documents, work
with BCAA or an RFP for anotherproponent, and I'd love to see
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this spread elsewhere throughoutthe province.
Where would someone go to getthat open source information?
I'd be happy to take.
Yeah, I'd be happy for someoneto contact me and I can connect
them with the staff member atthe District of North Van.
Okay, they could also contactthe District of North Van.
They have a yeah, they have anemail.
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If you search, if you Googlecargo bikes at District of North
Van, it'll have an emailaddress for you there as well.
We'll put that in the shownotes so people can see.
Yeah, yeah, we can put my emailaddress in the show notes and
everything too.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Do you have any recommendations of A box versus
a long tail versus a trailer,which I assume are all different
ways of carrying cargo and bike?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's a great point.
In the cargo bike race we hadbikes with trailers.
I have a bike with trailers soI've kind of used mine as a
cargo bike.
I've definitely explored andlooked at buying a dedicated
cargo bike.
I've chosen to stick with thestandard length bikes for some
other reasons.
I think, like a lot of thesequestions, it depends on your
needs, really exploring it.
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I think the cargo bike box upfront is the I don't know most
versatile.
There's a real joy to havingyour child or the people that
you're talking to just in frontof you.
So having the box in front andyou can engage with them better
and see your cargo, see if yourbox of soccer balls or your bags
of cement or whatever it isyou're trying to move are
falling out.
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The lower cost alternative andmost popular alternative is the
lower cost one and the mostpopular around North America is
the longer tail.
So that's one of the optionsoffered at the library.
It's not just a district Northfan, you know.
I think believe it's notlimited to just people who live
in the district North fan.
Other people from Metro van cantry these out through the Evo
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app.
And yeah, the bike trailer is Iprefer having having.
I personally don't find thebike trailer as as as I find a
little less less versatile thanhaving it all in one, having
your kid on the back with you or, uh, or your cargo on on with
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you.
So, but it's, uh, it's a lessexpensive alternative.
It's one I use, so that coversthe range.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I can remember seeing in Copenhagen families where I
counted four kids in one ofthose boxes and one mother was
riding them around.
So let's talk about the ridersfor a moment.
You come to the library.
Do you have to have anycertification?
I know there's a certificationprogram for cargo bike delivery
people.
They have to learn, pass somekind of a test.
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Do you have to be specially fit?
Do you have to be knowsomething about riding e-bikes?
Is it difficult to learn?
How do they teach?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
no, no, it's, it's not difficult.
Um, and you know, I, I canunderstand the reason for the,
the cargo one you're talkingabout.
I mean, on your podcastrecently about cycling without
age, they talked about, you know, carrying two adults 500
kilograms the thing's going tobehave differently.
But carrying a, a few kids, uh,you know more like two adults
500 kilograms, the thing's goingto behave differently.
But carrying a few kids, uh,you know more like a hundred, a
hundred pounds of weight.
A hundred pounds of weight, uh,was 500 pounds, was probably
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the got the unit wrong there.
Um, so, uh, a hundred pounds ofweight doesn't make as much
difference.
Um, they all.
All the person needs to do is,um, I think I've created an Evo
account, so download that Evoapp, which the instructions I
guess we can put in the shownotes.
But also, if you search forDistries of North Van cargo
bikes and they are available inthe city of North Van as well
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It'll give you the instructions.
There's no, you just turn up,it's free, there's no charge for
taking them and there's no testor license.
How long can you take them for?
You can take them for as longas for a full library day.
You book how long you're goingto take it.
They don't stay out overnight.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Are these bikes all or typically pedal electric,
where you have to pedal tostimulate the motor, or do some
of them just have a Correct?
They're pedal electric, no,just straight up throttles.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Neither of the ones that they have are throttle.
These are really nice, highquality bikes.
The one is I think it's made bySpecialized is a long tail
two-wheeler, and then thethree-wheel box bike is I don't
recall the brand, but is areally high quality one.
Yes, they're pedal electric.
To finish my last question, Ithink so you can get up to nine
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hours of an adventure.
You know if you went from sortof 10 am till 7 pm or something
like that Time for a nice ridedown to the demonstration forest
and a picnic and the returntrip Picnic and a trip down to
the shipyards for ice cream.
Some of the data that returnedin the first couple of months of
it showed some sample trips andthey're really wide-ranging.
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They go all over our area and,as you can imagine, the North
Shore is a very hilly place.
We go from zero to 300 metersof elevation and people have
enjoyed those trips.
Do you know anything?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
about the users?
Are they typically recreationalusers, commuters, businesses?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think the main thing I know about them is that
92% of them are, you know,infrequent or occasional riders,
so I think they're probably notcommuters.
They're, you know, recreationaland e-bike curious, cargo bike
curious.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So what would be your dream goal for this program?
Presumably seeing it work inNorth Van, and then Could you
see this working everywherecould see it working everywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'd say my two dream goals are for it to continue in
North Van.
It's a pilot, so at the momentit will end after a year.
I'd love to see it continuehere.
I think it's already provenitself successful and I think
it's going to bring a lot of joy.
And beyond that, I'd love tosee it spread elsewhere in BC
and beyond.
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I think it's another.
Libraries are such a fantasticresource and I got to credit
Jacqueline Van Dyke, the head ofthe DNV public library.
We met with her and spoke withher and she immediately saw the.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
She wasn't an e-bike rider, but the whole
conversation turned wouldrequire $60,000 to make this
program work, and then BCAAstepped in.
If you were to do it again orextend it, what would be the
cost to the municipality?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So that was the initial budget.
I don't know the costs to themunicipality.
The initial budget includedpurchasing three cargo bikes and
some maintenance contracts andthings.
So that was the initial concept, I suspect.
With having BCAA do it it wasprobably less expensive per bike
and maybe that's why there'smore bikes than we initially
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proposed.
So I know the District of NorthVan also partnered with the
City of North Van, so that's whywe have it at both libraries.
So it's an idea that spread toboth North Vancouver
municipalities.
If it weren't, for this program?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
are you aware of any other cargo bikes that are
available through your typicalbike rental, like bike rentals
from a bike store?
That's a great question.
Bike share program.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I am not aware of other cargo bike rental or I
think only if you're consideringpurchasing one here in North
Van.
I mean, I hear about themoverseas.
I think the city of Freiburg inGermany just has them on the
side of the road for free usewhen you need to move, which is
amazing.
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But I think this is a greatstep in that.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Duncan, congratulations on this program,
and I know you wanted to have awhole bunch of other people on
here because you don't want totake all credit for it, but we
can only really work with oneperson.
So I'm glad to hear it from youand I'm glad you're happy to
credit the other people.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know I'm just a guy with the idea, like, if I
can briefly mention, jordan Back, the counselor, brenda James,
who came up with the idea,michelle Lamb, who worked hard
on it, mac Fitzgerald, the otherkey person at the District of
North Van there's probably somepeople I'm missing Jacqueline
Van Dyke, the head of theDistrict of North Van Public
Library.
You know, ideas are one thing,but execution is really what
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matters, and Brendan andMichelle really executed on this
idea, made it a reality.
So they deserve all the creditfor this and I'm just tickled to
see it happening.
It just brings joy to my face,just like Jordan's, whenever I
see anybody on one or when I usethem myself.
I've used them a few timesmyself to take my son to soccer
and to see precisely would itfit in the bike storage space I
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have and how does it feel?
I mean, my little guy was like,no, no, I want to take the
three-wheeler, let's take thetrike.
I'm like, no, I want to ridethe two-wheeler, but okay, we'll
take the three-wheeler, that'swhat you want to do, so fun.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Well, I remember something we learned at the
Active Transportation Summitabout how the key for all these
programs is political will, andit sounds like you had some
people both on your council andin your bureaucracy and, dare I
say, in the library system, whohad the political will to push
this forward and carry itthrough.
Do you think that would bedifficult in some communities?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Oh, of course, you know there's politics.
This is different depending onthe people involved.
You know I should also give alot of credit to the, the
counselors of the district ofNorth Van, who unanimously voted
to allocate some money and givethis a try.
So there was no pushback fromyour council.
There were questions, you know.
There were questions.
You know I think Jordan did agood job of of putting together
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it in a way and we, you know,price it out and you know it was
a a motion to explore it and itwas a motion to explore it and
it was explored and made areality.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, with the possible demise of subsidies for
electric vehicles that we'rehearing about, the BC Cycling
Coalition is actively advocatingfor a repeat or expansion of
rebates for e-bikes.
A repeat or expansion ofrebates for e-bikes, and this
would, I think, be a very bigselling point in helping.
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Once people have thisintroductory ability through the
the library rental program, Icould foresee a much bigger
intake uptake of cargo bike use,which would enable so many more
things to be done with a bikein a more affordable, healthy,
happy way and, from all I'veheard, kids really like them too
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.
It's more fun riding around abike than in the back of a car.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It sure is, sure is.
I feel like my son has atremendous connection with his
community and awareness of spacefrom all the bike riding that
we've done around our communitytogether and it just makes our
city better.
Libraries have so much to givethe community in more than just
books.
They have carbon dioxidesensors, they have 3D printers.
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At our library they have apodcast recording studio and a
video recording studio, and thisis yet another thing that they
can introduce to the communitythat it's just a win, win, win.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Thank you, duncan.
Thank you for your work in this, Thank you for your inspiration
, and I really hope othercommunities are listening and
able to take up your offer ofthe open source access to how to
do this and make their citiesbigger, small, better places.
Thank you, peter.
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Thank you.
Welcome to Bike Sense , the BC Cycling Coalition's
podcast, where we talk about allthings related to active
transportation advocacy in BC.
I'm your host, peter Ladner,chair of the board of the BC
Cycling Coalition.
I hope you enjoy the show.
Even for those of us who arelongtime cyclists, the world of
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e-bikes is sometimes a bit of amystery.
For people who are alreadye-bike riders, like myself, the
world of cargo bikes isdefinitely a mystery, and there
is somebody in North Vancouverwho has dedicated a lot of time
to come up with a program tohelp solve that mystery.
His name is Duncan Wilcock.
He's our guest today.
Duncan, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Thank you, peter, pleased to meet you.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Could you introduce yourself and describe how you
fit into the world of cargoe-bikes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
My day job.
I'm a sustainability consultantwith Prism Engineering and in
my passion projects I'veco-founded an organization
called Better North Shore herein North Vancouver and a few
years ago I approached the city,approached the district of
North Vancouver with an idea.
I came up with an idea with aneighbor of how some of our
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neighbors were not using theywere buying a second car and we
were thinking how can we helpthem explore, look at options,
transportation options,including cargo bikes.
My neighbor had a cargo bike.
He's a real hardcore cyclist,so his isn't even electric
assist.
But we realized wouldn't it benice if you could go to the
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library and see them?
It's actually Lynn ValleyLibrary, it's a beautiful space
and it's a square, if you sawthem there outside and you could
just take one from the libraryand test it out and maybe have
it for a few days and see how itfits into your life.
So that was the idea and wewent from there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Could you, just before we get into it, what's it
like riding a cargo bike?
How is it different?
You have a child.
Describe what it's like for youto ride around with a heavy
load and enter that world alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That's right.
I have a seven-year-old.
He's been riding my bike sincehe was one year old.
I got my bike around the timehe was born.
It is such a joy.
He's a little boy and there'sno better tool than an electric
electric bike or cargo bike toget right next to a construction
site.
Sit there for hours and justwatch the machines and the
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changes happen.
It is just magical.
He's right there with me, I cantalk to him.
I can stop immediately at theside of the road if he has
questions.
We're never stuck in traffic.
We have no traffic Easy parking.
I can talk to him.
I can stop immediately at theside of the road if he has
questions.
We're never stuck in traffic.
We have no traffic Easy parking.
It's just fun.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now just describe the bike though, because your son
is sitting behind you on thisbike.
He's not in a box out in front,is that right?
And if he's behind, how do youmake sure he doesn't fall off?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh, so he's held in securely with bike seats.
He's one from Thule, whichmakes a great one for a long
time when he was in the youngeryears and now got a little
bigger one that's made for hisweight.
He's about a 50-pound kid and Ithink it'll be good for another
few years with him.
So my bike is not a cargo bike.
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I don't personally ride a cargobike.
I have definitely explored themand looked closely at them and
because I have one child I'mable to make it work.
But the attraction of beingable to put a bag of soccer
balls in the front and take himto soccer practice, that's where
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my passion for cargo bikes hascome from.
And knowing that most of theother families I know have more
than one kid, certainly you'retrying to move more than one kid
.
You really kind of need theextra space that you can get
with either a cargo bike with along seat on the back or a box
bike with a big box up front.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You did a program to help introduce people to cargo
bikes.
Before we get into all of it,do you have any stories of
somebody who got involved inyour program and had some kind
of life-changing experience, orat least wonderful experience?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Here's one example that I saw.
I was out riding in thisbeautiful trail called the
Demonstration Forest in NorthVancouver.
It's about 10 kilometers ofpaved road that's through the
woods and no car traffic on it.
It's a great destination.
And I was riding up there witha colleague from work who I was
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introducing to an e-bike her andher husband or partner I guess
and we came across a family offive who were out.
They'd borrowed the two e-bikesfrom the library, so the long
tail two wheel version and thethree wheel um, three wheel
trike version, with the box upfront for the less confident
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riders, and they had the threekids in these and they'd gone up
the demo forest, had a picnic,just had a great family
adventure.
Another friend said they sawthat same family because it was
just such a joy to see later,down on what's called Grand
Boulevard I don't know, theyprobably had a 20-kilometer
adventure or something.
It was just a joy to see.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now I presume that your dream goal in setting up
this program again we'll getinto the details shortly was
that somebody like that wouldthen go aha.
I now understand how this couldwork and I will go and buy a
bike, change my life, not buythat second car.
Whatever.
Has that indeed happened?
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You have some data now I'll askyou first Tell me about the
program.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a bike's available at a library, just one
library, Multiple libraries.
So the program started inSeptember last year.
It got, you know, from idea toget it, you know, going was you
know a couple of years.
It takes a little time for thegovernment to sort of sort
things out, Just pause for asecond there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What has to be sorted out?
You mentioned getting acounselor on side.
Do you have to get a bike storeon side?
Do you have to get the libraryon side?
How many partners need to beengaged for this to happen?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So the initial idea was I took the idea to my
councillor, jordan Beck, one ofmy councillors he's a great
councillor here in the districtof North Vancouver Rides a cargo
bike himself with his two youngkids.
Is it one of the ones?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
with his name on the side of it, like another
councillor in North.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Vancouver?
I haven't.
It's not like Tony Valente thatyou're talking about.
It's a different one fromTony's.
I don't think Jordan has hisname on it, but I bet when he
goes out campaigning he does hecertainly.
He just uses it to get aroundtown because it's the fastest
way to get around town.
Okay, so Jordan's on board.
Then what?
Yeah, he worked out how to takeit to council as a report to
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council and secured some funding.
How much District of North Bank?
About $60,000 was the initialkind of estimate.
I'd done a bunch of legwork to.
You know, the initial conceptwas that the district would buy
the library and the districtwould buy the bikes.
But that, you know, after goingthrough the, you know the
government and working themechanisms, working out the best
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way to do it, it was actuallyprovided by Evo, the car sharing
and bike sharing company that'sthe BCAA run.
That's right, that's right.
So lots of credit for them forstepping up.
And so we met with thelibrarian.
But none of this was necessaryto get it going.
Really, what happened was itwent through staff and the staff
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at the District of North Vanworked out okay.
We'd like to do this, but wedon't want to take on the
liability of owning the bikesand sending them out.
So they wanted to get anexternal contractor.
So they got an externalcontractor.
They put on the request forproposals and all that.
And that's when BCAA, I think,stepped up and was the
successful proponent Is BCAAoperating.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Do they have this capacity throughout the province
?
If somebody in Salmon Armcalled them up and said we want
to do, this.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I believe they are interested in taking it further.
Okay, yeah, theirrepresentative has given me that
indication.
I'm sure they have to look atit on a case-by-case basis, but
this was a pilot, certainly apilot for the District of North
Van and it's a pilot for forbcaa.
But it's um.
It is through their main app.
So if you have the evo app onyour phone, you can just go to
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the evo return tab and see thethe cargo bikes available there
are.
There were four libraries whenthey started in september.
I think there are two currently.
They've got a couple ofconstruction issues going on, so
they're right now they're atthe Lynn Valley Library here in
the district of North Van, andthen we have the city of North
Van which also has at theirlibrary the Lonsdale Library and
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there's two bikes available atboth locations.
There should be another twobikes available at those other
locations in the months ahead.
How much were they used?
So I mentioned it starting inSeptember kind of a late season
start really and the summaryfrom staff was they were blown
away with the adoption.
It was tremendous.
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They had 136 total trips in thetwo late season months of
September to October 2024.
1,500 kilometers were ridden.
That's more than two trips aday, with only seven bikes on
offer.
88 individual people took partand 92% of the 88 riders were
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infrequent or occasional riders,meaning they ride less than
three trips per year to date inSeptember.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Are you talking about riding cargo bikes or riding
any bikes?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Riding any bikes.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
That's the the my reading of it and do you have
any data on what they didafterwards?
Did it change their right,their transportation habits?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't have that data yet.
Um, I, I've got some.
I've got an anecdote from, uh,uh, a couple of bike shops.
One that comes to mind is theLynn Valley bike shop.
They certainly sold a cargobike to a family that said, oh,
we went and tried it out andbuying a cargo bike tried out at
the library and they're buyinga cargo bike.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So what are the barriers to buying a cargo bike?
Because I know somebody who hadone and it broke down, need to
be replaced, and she said, oh mygoodness, I don't even know
where to start.
Like, how do I assess modelsand test?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
them out and know the costs.
I'm in the middle of writing anarticle on this right now,
actually for our Better NorthShore website.
So you've decided to buy ane-bike.
I think you need a place tostore it, a safe place to store
it.
That's the first one and that'sa, you know, that's that's a
real motivator for me.
I don't have a garage.
Um, I uh, you know I have a, uh, a lockable utility trailer is
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what I use and, um, um, knowingwhether it's going to fit in
there, how long?
The bikes are a bit longer.
So that's a part of the fittingit into your life.
Where are you going to store it?
Do you have a safe place tostore it?
No, it's not going to be stolen.
End of trip facilities is the,is the the term, as I'm sure you
know, and hub cycling has agreat uh pdf on on good end of
trip facilities.
Um, cost is a barrier.
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You know they're not.
They're more expensive than aregular e-bike what's the cost
range?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
what?
What's the minimum you you'dprobably pay for?
A decent one yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know I see a lot of people what they call on the,
the rad power, they call themdad power bikes and that's what
jordan back rides and those,those I think you can get into.
For you know, 2500, 3000,they're long tail.
Long tail tend to be a littleeasier and may seem you know
some people.
The initial take is that'sreally expensive.
But as soon as you put itbeside the price of a car if
it's a car replacer it's reallyit's a bargain.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I just paid four hundred dollars to get my car
service routine servicing yeah,twelve thousand dollars is
average cost a car for everyoneper year.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You know we're talking about purchase price.
And then no insurance.
No, no ongoing.
You know usage insurance, maybesome theft insurance if you
like.
Um, and then, uh, you know youcan buy.
There are really nice ones withparticularly the box, more the
european style, the box bike onthe front.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It can go up to the 10 000 mark are these widely
available at bike shops, even,let's say, on the north shore?
Do you have to order?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
them especially.
Um, there are a number of bikeshops on the north shore I could
name that have them.
I can think of three or four,four offhand.
I know of several over in thecity of Vancouver as well, so
they're readily available.
I believe it's part of a wavethat's coming.
All this micro mobility andelectric bikes really just so
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game changing.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Do you have any data on how many people here in,
let's just say, bc Data on howmany people here in, let's just
say, bc use cargo bikes comparedto other jurisdictions?
Because I know I was recentlyin New York City and there was a
whole world of couriers whojust ride e-bikes and cargo
bikes around.
And we see pictures, of course,of Copenhagen, with the moms
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all lined up at the coffee shopwith the cargo bikes all parked
outside while they go and havecoffee with their kids or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Canada Post and FedEx have been using them for
deliveries in the city ofVancouver, downtown Victoria,
calgary, for a few years.
I don't have any data dataspecifically to your question.
No, I can tell you.
Was it?
12 or 13 people turned up tothe cargo bike race that we held
here in North Vancouver, uh, inAugust 2023.
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That was a real hoot, got somegreat photos and got a news
article about it.
Uh, it was, uh, it was um, itwas uh.
It's worth telling about it.
It's a.
It's a mixed um.
It's inspired by one inPortland.
That's a.
It was a emergency responsedressed up as a cargo bike race.
So this, this, so the scenariois the earthquake, the big one,
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has just happened.
It's three days into theearthquake.
You're running low on water andmedical supplies.
You have a cargo bike.
You can help Because you'rewith bridges out and that sort
of thing.
It's actually a very resilientvehicle.
You could manhandle it acrossthe look some of the rivers if
we needed to.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I know my son and daughter-in-law were living in
Whistler and calculated that inthe event of a fire there, with
one road out north, one roadsouth, it would take about 10
hours for all the cars tofinally find their way out.
And he had a cargo bike loadedup with his emergency bag and
figured he could just slide upthe side of the backed up cars
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and get his way out of there.
So the pilot was completed andyou've got the data.
Is it going to continue?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So the pilot isn't completed.
It was in two parts.
It took a pause over the wintermonths, paused at the end of
October, probably because it canbe pretty hard on the bikes
with the salt, and it's just howthey define the pilot.
The bikes are back on thestreet, so the pilot is ongoing
until end of August.
So it's exciting and I wouldlove to.
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One of the great things aboutthe person who put this program
together was that he told me hemade it open sourced so that
it's very easy for another localgovernment here in BC or
elsewhere perhaps to copy themodel, copy his documents, work
with BCAA or an RFP for anotherproponent, and I'd love to see
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this spread elsewhere throughoutthe province.
Where would someone go to getthat open source information?
I'd be happy to take.
Yeah, I'd be happy for someoneto contact me and I can connect
them with the staff member atthe District of North Van.
Okay, they could also contactthe District of North Van.
They have a yeah, they have anemail.
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If you search, if you Googlecargo bikes at District of North
Van, it'll have an emailaddress for you there as well.
We'll put that in the shownotes so people can see.
Yeah, yeah, we can put my emailaddress in the show notes and
everything too.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Do you have any recommendations of A box versus
a long tail versus a trailer,which I assume are all different
ways of carrying cargo and bike?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's a great point.
In the cargo bike race we hadbikes with trailers.
I have a bike with trailers soI've kind of used mine as a
cargo bike.
I've definitely explored andlooked at buying a dedicated
cargo bike.
I've chosen to stick with thestandard length bikes for some
other reasons.
I think, like a lot of thesequestions, it depends on your
needs, really exploring it.
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I think the cargo bike box upfront is the I don't know most
versatile.
There's a real joy to havingyour child or the people that
you're talking to just in frontof you.
So having the box in front andyou can engage with them better
and see your cargo, see if yourbox of soccer balls or your bags
of cement or whatever it isyou're trying to move are
falling out.
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The lower cost alternative andmost popular alternative is the
lower cost one and the mostpopular around North America is
the longer tail.
So that's one of the optionsoffered at the library.
It's not just a district Northfan, you know.
I think believe it's notlimited to just people who live
in the district North fan.
Other people from Metro van cantry these out through the Evo
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app.
And yeah, the bike trailer is Iprefer having having.
I personally don't find thebike trailer as as as I find a
little less less versatile thanhaving it all in one, having
your kid on the back with you or, uh, or your cargo on on with
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you.
So, but it's, uh, it's a lessexpensive alternative.
It's one I use, so that coversthe range.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I can remember seeing in Copenhagen families where I
counted four kids in one ofthose boxes and one mother was
riding them around.
So let's talk about the ridersfor a moment.
You come to the library.
Do you have to have anycertification?
I know there's a certificationprogram for cargo bike delivery
people.
They have to learn, pass somekind of a test.
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Do you have to be specially fit?
Do you have to be knowsomething about riding e-bikes?
Is it difficult to learn?
How do they teach?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
no, no, it's, it's not difficult.
Um, and you know, I, I canunderstand the reason for the,
the cargo one you're talkingabout.
I mean, on your podcastrecently about cycling without
age, they talked about, you know, carrying two adults 500
kilograms the thing's going tobehave differently.
But carrying a, a few kids, uh,you know more like two adults
500 kilograms, the thing's goingto behave differently.
But carrying a few kids, uh,you know more like a hundred, a
hundred pounds of weight.
A hundred pounds of weight, uh,was 500 pounds, was probably
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the got the unit wrong there.
Um, so, uh, a hundred pounds ofweight doesn't make as much
difference.
Um, they all.
All the person needs to do is,um, I think I've created an Evo
account, so download that Evoapp, which the instructions I
guess we can put in the shownotes.
But also, if you search forDistries of North Van cargo
bikes and they are available inthe city of North Van as well
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It'll give you the instructions.
There's no, you just turn up,it's free, there's no charge for
taking them and there's no testor license.
How long can you take them for?
You can take them for as longas for a full library day.
You book how long you're goingto take it.
They don't stay out overnight.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Are these bikes all or typically pedal electric,
where you have to pedal tostimulate the motor, or do some
of them just have a Correct?
They're pedal electric, no,just straight up throttles.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Neither of the ones that they have are throttle.
These are really nice, highquality bikes.
The one is I think it's made bySpecialized is a long tail
two-wheeler, and then thethree-wheel box bike is I don't
recall the brand, but is areally high quality one.
Yes, they're pedal electric.
To finish my last question, Ithink so you can get up to nine
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hours of an adventure.
You know if you went from sortof 10 am till 7 pm or something
like that Time for a nice ridedown to the demonstration forest
and a picnic and the returntrip Picnic and a trip down to
the shipyards for ice cream.
Some of the data that returnedin the first couple of months of
it showed some sample trips andthey're really wide-ranging.
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They go all over our area and,as you can imagine, the North
Shore is a very hilly place.
We go from zero to 300 metersof elevation and people have
enjoyed those trips.
Do you know anything?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
about the users?
Are they typically recreationalusers, commuters, businesses?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think the main thing I know about them is that
92% of them are, you know,infrequent or occasional riders,
so I think they're probably notcommuters.
They're, you know, recreationaland e-bike curious, cargo bike
curious.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So what would be your dream goal for this program?
Presumably seeing it work inNorth Van, and then Could you
see this working everywherecould see it working everywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'd say my two dream goals are for it to continue in
North Van.
It's a pilot, so at the momentit will end after a year.
I'd love to see it continuehere.
I think it's already provenitself successful and I think
it's going to bring a lot of joy.
And beyond that, I'd love tosee it spread elsewhere in BC
and beyond.
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I think it's another.
Libraries are such a fantasticresource and I got to credit
Jacqueline Van Dyke, the head ofthe DNV public library.
We met with her and spoke withher and she immediately saw the.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
She wasn't an e-bike rider, but the whole
conversation turned wouldrequire $60,000 to make this
program work, and then BCAAstepped in.
If you were to do it again orextend it, what would be the
cost to the municipality?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So that was the initial budget.
I don't know the costs to themunicipality.
The initial budget includedpurchasing three cargo bikes and
some maintenance contracts andthings.
So that was the initial concept, I suspect.
With having BCAA do it it wasprobably less expensive per bike
and maybe that's why there'smore bikes than we initially
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proposed.
So I know the District of NorthVan also partnered with the
City of North Van, so that's whywe have it at both libraries.
So it's an idea that spread toboth North Vancouver
municipalities.
If it weren't, for this program?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
are you aware of any other cargo bikes that are
available through your typicalbike rental, like bike rentals
from a bike store?
That's a great question.
Bike share program.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I am not aware of other cargo bike rental or I
think only if you're consideringpurchasing one here in North
Van.
I mean, I hear about themoverseas.
I think the city of Freiburg inGermany just has them on the
side of the road for free usewhen you need to move, which is
amazing.
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But I think this is a greatstep in that.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Duncan, congratulations on this program,
and I know you wanted to have awhole bunch of other people on
here because you don't want totake all credit for it, but we
can only really work with oneperson.
So I'm glad to hear it from youand I'm glad you're happy to
credit the other people.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know I'm just a guy with the idea, like, if I
can briefly mention, jordan Back, the counselor, brenda James,
who came up with the idea,michelle Lamb, who worked hard
on it, mac Fitzgerald, the otherkey person at the District of
North Van there's probably somepeople I'm missing Jacqueline
Van Dyke, the head of theDistrict of North Van Public
Library.
You know, ideas are one thing,but execution is really what
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matters, and Brendan andMichelle really executed on this
idea, made it a reality.
So they deserve all the creditfor this and I'm just tickled to
see it happening.
It just brings joy to my face,just like Jordan's, whenever I
see anybody on one or when I usethem myself.
I've used them a few timesmyself to take my son to soccer
and to see precisely would itfit in the bike storage space I
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have and how does it feel?
I mean, my little guy was like,no, no, I want to take the
three-wheeler, let's take thetrike.
I'm like, no, I want to ridethe two-wheeler, but okay, we'll
take the three-wheeler, that'swhat you want to do, so fun.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Well, I remember something we learned at the
Active Transportation Summitabout how the key for all these
programs is political will, andit sounds like you had some
people both on your council andin your bureaucracy and, dare I
say, in the library system, whohad the political will to push
this forward and carry itthrough.
Do you think that would bedifficult in some communities?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Oh, of course, you know there's politics.
This is different depending onthe people involved.
You know I should also give alot of credit to the, the
counselors of the district ofNorth Van, who unanimously voted
to allocate some money and givethis a try.
So there was no pushback fromyour council.
There were questions, you know.
There were questions.
You know I think Jordan did agood job of of putting together
(25:16):
it in a way and we, you know,price it out and you know it was
a a motion to explore it and itwas a motion to explore it and
it was explored and made areality.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, with the possible demise of subsidies for
electric vehicles that we'rehearing about, the BC Cycling
Coalition is actively advocatingfor a repeat or expansion of
rebates for e-bikes.
A repeat or expansion ofrebates for e-bikes, and this
would, I think, be a very bigselling point in helping.
(25:47):
Once people have thisintroductory ability through the
the library rental program, Icould foresee a much bigger
intake uptake of cargo bike use,which would enable so many more
things to be done with a bikein a more affordable, healthy,
happy way and, from all I'veheard, kids really like them too
(26:11):
.
It's more fun riding around abike than in the back of a car.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It sure is, sure is.
I feel like my son has atremendous connection with his
community and awareness of spacefrom all the bike riding that
we've done around our communitytogether and it just makes our
city better.
Libraries have so much to givethe community in more than just
books.
They have carbon dioxidesensors, they have 3D printers.
(26:35):
At our library they have apodcast recording studio and a
video recording studio, and thisis yet another thing that they
can introduce to the communitythat it's just a win, win, win.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Thank you, duncan.
Thank you for your work in this, Thank you for your inspiration
, and I really hope othercommunities are listening and
able to take up your offer ofthe open source access to how to
do this and make their citiesbigger, small, better places.
Thank you, peter.
You've been listening to BikeSense, an original podcast from
(27:12):
the BC Cycling Coalition.
If you like the podcast, we'dbe grateful if you could leave
us a rating.
On whatever platform you use,you can also subscribe so you
don't miss future episodes.
If you have comments orsuggestions for future episodes,
email me at peterladner atbccyclingca.
(27:33):
You can help us amplify BCCycling Coalition's voice by
simply becoming a free member atbccyclingca.
Thank you.
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