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March 17, 2021 • 51 mins

A conversation with one half of the music duo Dwight & Nicole. Nicole Nelson shares stories of her adventures to now.

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Intro Voice (00:05):
Welcome to a place where we're thinking together
and thinking deeper about who weare
and what we do in this world.
Welcome to the Billosophypodcast.

Nicole Nelson (00:18):
Hi, nice to see you so that you're here. I mean,
I can't think of the last timeI've hugged anybody even it's so
it's just such a weird time.

William Forchion (00:26):
All right.
Welcome to Billosophy 101. I amWilliam Forchion. And today, my
guest is

Nicole Nelson (00:36):
I am Nicole Nelson,

William Forchion (00:38):
Nicole Nelson.
That voice it. I'm like butteron a July day, I just melt, your
voice. Nicole Nelson, tell uswho is Nicole Nelson. What do
you do where you come from?
Because I have a lot of answers.
But I don't know of all of them.
So tell me in your words, whoyou are and what you do?

Nicole Nelson (01:01):
Well, that is a good question. Who am I?
seemingly I'm always changing.
So I'm actually not very good atanswering that question.
Sometimes I have to like, readabout myself to get it that I've
done things in my life. And I'mcalled something just going to
be really esoteric right off thebat. Why not?

William Forchion (01:23):
Let's go there. Because a lot of places
to go right? If you you create abig universe, then we're getting
more places to travel.

Nicole Nelson (01:34):
Indeed, well, I'm from Brooklyn, New York. I have
two wonderful parents. My motherpassed away recently, but I
still feel her around me all thetime. She is of Trinidadian
descent. And she's very mixedmany races. And my father is
Norwegian and Irish fromBrooklyn, New York. And his

(01:58):
parents were like firstgeneration immigrants there. And
my mom, like I said, this wasborn in Trinidad. So my parents
are very wonderful and oppositein every way. Kind of kind of
people. I mean, physically,she's like, little, small, dark

(02:19):
person. And he's like a hugegiant white person. And their
personalities are verydifferent. And so I think if I
try to get to the root of who Iam, it's I encompass a lot from
my upbringing. And I'm anartist.

William Forchion (02:38):
So you just mentioned and in the word, this
is 2021. We're just kicking offthe year and 2020 was 1968. all
over again. Did you have any?
Were there any polarities aboutthe Norwegian and the
Trinidadian ethnicities withinyou as you grew up? Or as you
got to be an adult? Or have youever had polarities? Or did you

(03:00):
feel like that helped you to, tofit in? Or did it help you to
stand out?

Nicole Nelson (03:07):
I'm going to answer all of the above. Yes,
yes, polarities, but yes,absolutely creates superpower.
And which I thought wasoverrated. Growing up, I didn't
even realize I was like, Oh, I'mhere as a bridge. I get it. I'm
a bridge. And I love that.
Because I'm a lover I want Iwant people to be playing music

(03:29):
and hanging out and laughing andfeeling alive. Like I feel so
alive. And I've always feltextra, like a liveliness just
buzzing around in there thatneeds something. I need to do
something with it all the time.
And so I'm always creating and Ifeel like I have a perspective.

(03:51):
That's really why lens becauseof my upbringing. And in
Brooklyn, New York, like in the80s when I was a kid there was
just like, the level of eclecticwas it's still Midwood. Brooklyn
is still very eclectic, althoughthe nation in the world for sure
is experiencing a lot ofpolarization. Where where I grew

(04:13):
up was like this little, I don'tknow, it was a little safe space
or like an oasis, in a lot ofways, in many ways. It was
unsafe, right in many otherways.

William Forchion (04:26):
But you know, I moved to New York in the mid
80s. But into Manhattan, UpperWest Side. And, meh, you know,
the it was a theme p ark ofvices, basically, all of meh,
you know, you didn't go to theBronx, you went to only certain
parts of Brooklyn, parts ofQueens, and every place had a
pocket where you could justdisappear. And yet, every one of

(04:51):
those places where pocket waswhich was supposed to be unsafe.
It was a neighborhood, somebodylived there and thought that
that was home or that wascomfortable ever so you

Nicole Nelson (05:00):
And a lot of what seems to be unsafe is like the
perception still today. But alot of it was actually, you
know, pretty dangerous. Like youhad to really know. You know
what was going on around you andknow your power to be like, safe
walking up and down the streetsof that neighborhood as a little

(05:22):
kid. I remember like, if to bestreet smart.

William Forchion (05:26):
Yes, street smart was a different thing
didn't mean you had to beevents, being savvy, being aware
of your surroundings at alltime. You will. I mean, you knew
when somebody walked out of abuilding two blocks back because
you felt it? Because it didmean, it wasn't just fear, it
was danger.

Nicole Nelson (05:46):
Exactly. So different. I mean, fear and
danger connected for sure. But Ididn't feel the fear. I did
sense the danger. And I thinkthat part of my not feeling
afraid was how I was raised. Mymother was like, you know, with
energy, she would lead, youknow, and we were sometimes we

(06:07):
would go to like Coney Island atnight and be on the subway,
coming back after she and myaunt would like we would find
some Caribbean restaurant and beeating like roti or something,
right. And we would be taking asubway home. And I remember,
like, just I don't know, a lotof people were down and out in
certain neighborhoods. And Iremember my mother would just

(06:28):
handle everything, she wouldbreak up fights. She was
fearless. So I learned about thepower of being fearless and
staying in your power in, inmoments that are pivotal, you
know.

William Forchion (06:41):
So now, stepping in that place of
fearlessness. Some of what Iknow of... you had physical
challenges growing up.

Unknown (06:53):
Yeah. How

William Forchion (06:54):
do you step into the world with physical
challenges, and still remain orlearn grow to be fearless when
it would seem like with physicalchallenges, the world could be a
fearful place, a dangerousplace.

Unknown (07:09):
I think again, it's perception because and also
degrees of challenges, like Ihad a lot of illnesses. But I
was still very strong and veryactive. I you know, it's a
kickboxing. I took ballet tap.
You know, gymnastics as adancer, I was a swimmer. I was

(07:30):
an active kid. Despite havinglike, some physical stuff I had,
like, just, I don't know, a lotof autoimmune stuff. And I was
diagnosed with arthritis when Iwas 11. I was like, why does
everything hurt? I had likecysts and tumors in my bones and
all this kind of crazy stuff.

William Forchion (07:53):
That's me.
That's what I was alluding tosome of the stuff you were
mentioned about your legs andyour and the challenges you had
with that. Can you talk moreabout that? And because what
some of what I get from you isthat, you know, people talk
about overcoming some things.
And that's not something that Iwould say about you, is that you

(08:14):
overcame, what I my impressionis that you learned how to
thrive with Yeah,

Unknown (08:21):
I think that that's a good distinction to make.
Because the story of the one whoovercomes can be a downtrodden
story, as something that is, forme, that's important, like the
way that the overarching waythat I look at my life. When I
was a kid, I remember, gosh, Iwish I remember who said I think
maybe it was Joseph Campbell, Iread a read or saw an interview,

(08:43):
and I was really young. And itwas like this. There's three
different kinds of stories,there's romance, there's a
comedy, and there's a tragedy.
And like, you know, we could allbe living in any one of these
things. And we don't, you know,no till the end of your life,
and I just was like, No my life.

(09:05):
Regardless of what is going tohappen, it's not going to be a
tragedy. I refuse. I refuse tojust like, you know, I mean,
I've been through a lot where Ilost my brother. He was my
closest, my very best andclosest, and he's still I still
feel him with me too. But man Iwas it was right before my 13th
birthday, and he passed away inour house and I was doing his

(09:28):
paper out for him and came homeand I knew he was gone before we
even like got close to the door.
And it was just this sense ofthere's like all of a sudden
there was like an umbilical cordbetween us that was ethereal,
just always there. And then Ijust I sensed he was gone. I was
like, that's all I can say todescribe that. It was like
somebody cut that cord. And I

William Forchion (09:50):
like he's gone. And I knew it was
was an illness or an injury.

Unknown (09:54):
He had asthma, very, very severe asthma and he
actually died from themedication. And as a medication,
he was over medicated, and hehad a heart attack when he was
15.

William Forchion (10:05):
Wow, okay. And you were to you were two years
apart.

Nicole Nelson (10:09):
Yeah, we were really close, he was an angel
still is. learned a lot fromhim, I learned a lot from losing
in two. And, you know,

William Forchion (10:24):
so a brother... losing a brother, I'm
very close to my brother,we're... we're two years apart a
little more than two yearsapart. So I have a brother and a
sister, my sisters in themiddle, we're all 15 months
apart. And we are very close. Wewere a team growing up. And even
to this day, I'm in my 50s. AndI can't imagine my brother not

(10:45):
being there. And I had, I hadmoments where I worried when we,
when I was traveling around theworld. He has been a police
officer in the military and thena police officer for his adult
life. And I was, I was alwaysworried that I was going to get
a phone call saying thatsomething happened. And so I, I
don't I can't even imagine how Iwould go forward. Without him.

Nicole Nelson (11:09):
You know what, it's impossible.

William Forchion (11:14):
There you go.
So this is all just agreed.
We're good.
So, you have you have gone. Imean, he's with you, of course.
And I know, you know, you sayyour mother's with you as well.
Yeah, you have continued to livefully. That doesn't mean there

(11:36):
have been setbacks or tidalwaves or whatever that have come
along the way. But you just wantto get more into your how you
live fully, but you have managedto live fully. If you could pass
on wisdom to someone who is inthe throes of that right now.
They're live lost a really closeloved one, someone who is a

(11:57):
kindred spirit to them. What, isthere any consolation, if there
any way that you can consolethem or? or help them be at ease
with that?

Nicole Nelson (12:08):
Yeah, I think I mean, I can't say that I could
help someone to be at ease,because there's times when it's
just not time to be at ease. AndI think if I were to give advice
on how to let go, it would bewell, first of all, diving into

(12:30):
your creativity. Because thosekinds of deep emotions don't
have like a word language,necessarily. Sometimes they do.
But quite often, they don't alot of the time. Deep, heavy
emotion works with sound, I usesound healing and even as a kid,

(12:51):
I mean, I would sing everysingle day and listen to music
every day. I think that musicwas my, my personal bridge
through that period, because myparents were struggling a lot at
the time. And so they were intheir own, like personal health,
like, separate from each other,to like, they were an

(13:14):
individual, personal health. Andso I was like, alone, through a
lot of that. Seemingly, Idefinitely was being guided,
like ferociously guided andlovingly, like, that's where I
learned about ferocious lovethat's timeless that that
transcends

William Forchion (13:34):
when you say guided how he was it, were they
spirit guides? Were theyactually people there in your
life that were guiding you? Howwere you being guided?

Nicole Nelson (13:40):
it was not people in my life, unfortunately, and
I'm sorry for any person in mylife that may be hearing this,
but people really didn't knowhow to deal with it. You know,
that was very, very tragic. And,and people just kind of, I had a
few close friends. My friendMaggie was a goddess. And she

(14:01):
was she was by my side like, shewas by my side. And my friend
Divina was by my side and likeeveryone else withdrew and
couldn't handle it. It was justtoo much. And my mother had
shoes bipolar my whole life. Andafter my brother died, that
really she like, started gettinginto like a schizophrenia
territory, like, made upeverything was her own little

(14:23):
world and it was not good. Andso it was just a really, nobody
wanted to be around females. Iwas alone, but thankfully
actually because that's where Irealized I was not actually
alone and not being likesurrounded by spirits or
anything like that. I was very,like, pragmatic. Maybe that's

(14:44):
not the right word. I was myfather's agnostic, borderline
atheist science ba astronomynerd. And I was also like an
honor student nerdy violinplaying like Achieving
academically kind of a kid. Iwas like a perfectionist like
achiever. And so anyway, Ilearned quickly that spirits and

(15:12):
talking about spirits was not asafe thing to do in my country
at that time, because people arelike, Oh, you're not okay, you
know. So I was afraid of beinglabeled crazy, but I always
sensed that nature was alive.
And I was not alone.

William Forchion (15:29):
But that's also akin that, you know, the
spirit world and even talking,understanding and feeling the
energy of nature and the voicesof nature is close to that whole
schizophrenia thing.

Nicole Nelson (15:42):
Yes, it is. And my mother, where she's when she
was a kid, she's a seer. She wasalways a seer. She, she always
knew things about where I was,and what I was doing that was
literally impossible to know,like, very specific things, she
would have no idea. I don't knowhow she knows, but she would
know, everything. So she wasalways like one step outside of

(16:04):
her body, or you know, what Ilike to think of it now. Is,
there's multiple versions of usof who we are, which is why the
question Who are you is a hardone for me to answer. I'm like,
well, which lane Am I in? Rightnow? You know, and like earlier,
you said, how do you move on,when you lose someone like that?

(16:25):
You don't, that part of you,that is in relation with them
goes to sleep for a while, likeit's, you step out of that, and
then you're in this new reality,but that's what we're doing all
the time. So tremendous lossactually teaches you the hard
way, but the hard ways away, ofhow to survive, you know, when

(16:48):
everything that you knew, orthought that you were thought
that you knew, is pulled outfrom underneath, right? Well,
this is a long answer.

William Forchion (16:58):
That's a long answers. All right. So that's
the beauty of this, you know,this is my show, and you don't
have to break it down into soundbites, because if it's what's
necessary, it's what'snecessary. There's one thing I'm
going to throw this out there itdid not leading anywhere, but I
just want to throw out the ideaof you when you mentioned your
mother, one of the things thatcame to me is that her energy

(17:23):
body and her physical body, atsome point no longer stay
tethered. Imagine how she knewwhere you were because her
energetic body could find youanyway, she she needed to and
couldn't find all the peoplethat she needed to connect to.
And when

Nicole Nelson (17:37):
just by thinking of us,

William Forchion (17:39):
right with the severing of your, of your
brother from the seen her energybody no longer had one of its
tethers or all of its tethers.
And either it chased after hissoul to where it was going, or
so I just don't want that out.
There I am. That's just a littlebit lesufi there.

Nicole Nelson (18:00):
I mean, that is 100% the truth. When she was a
kid, she studied dance andmeditation, she had asthma also.
And they didn't expect her tolive very long. Many times. She
had her last rites, were therethree times as a kid. Wow. Yeah,
and my brother definitely wasalso that Ill like it was he was

(18:21):
hospitalized a lot. And it wastough. And but he just such a
wise little angel, my gosh,there's

William Forchion (18:30):
something that goes with that as well, because
there's something there bothyour mother and your brother, if
they are that, so close to theyou know, they were threading
the veil. If they were thatclosed, and they at a certain
point they have to give over toat any point in time, it could
go either way. And they accepteither accept or fight death.

Nicole Nelson (18:54):
They both accepted it. He did too. I
remember right before he died,he was like, I don't know if I'm
gonna make it through this. Solike, tell my girlfriend that I
love her to take care of mommyand daddy. Like when I was like
you do not even have an optionlike you cannot leave me here
with these people. Like

William Forchion (19:12):
I got plans and you're in 'em.

Nicole Nelson (19:15):
all of them.

William Forchion (19:18):
Yeah, this is I mean this I can go on for
hours and hours. In this topic.
I want to shift a little bitbecause I really, I really,
really, really want to plug thevibrations you put out there in
song because I happen to checkout a couple of your YouTube
videos and I could very easilyhave spent hours just listening

(19:41):
to your take on it doesn'treally have a genre because it's
r&b it is rock it is it is so itis just your soul comes out in
song in a way that is soamazingly Wonderful and resonant
with me. I don't care if anybodyelse likes it. I love it.

Nicole Nelson (20:08):
Exactly. Me too.

William Forchion (20:10):
Tell me a little bit about that. Where
does your voice come from? Wheredoes your song come from?

Nicole Nelson (20:16):
I don't know, my heart. I don't, I have no idea I
always could sing. I just alwayshad that. You know, I just, it
just is there. It's my, my voicemy spirit was there is is here
and always was like when I was Iremember being very, very young.
And I was just like, I know howto do that. Like, as if I had

(20:39):
done it a million times.

William Forchion (20:42):
Just feels comfortable. Do you need to
sing?

Nicole Nelson (20:46):
Yes, yeah, when I don't, I feel like I need to
irrigate. Like, if there's likedebris that gets stuck in my
field, this was how part of howI were I healed myself because
the the medical systems failedme miserably. I watched them

(21:07):
fail my family consistentlyoutside of like, oh, broken
bone, reset it, like, you know,quick surgery, something is
really bad and emergency like,obviously modern medical system
health care system, thank Godfor that. But as a as a way to
actually bring my body intobalance where it will heal

(21:28):
itself outside of cutting partsout. You know what I mean? Like,
that doesn't actually fix theimbalance. That's right. And so

William Forchion (21:39):
it removes and creates another imbalance,

Nicole Nelson (21:41):
exactly. It's taking a symptom out that is the
symptom is a cause there'ssomething going on, which is why
this thing is inflamed. So justcutting out the thing that's
inflamed is like, okay, now it'sgonna find another avenue or
not, which is even worse. Right,you know. So I watched that at
an early age. And I and I knewthat I was supposed to learn

(22:05):
another way. Because, you know,asthma, turns out was not a
disease to treat with steroidsto the degree that my brother
was treated, it's actually a setof allergies. So, like, you
know, now we know that, and hispassing could have been
prevented along those lines.
Although cosmically, it's anoverarching thing. And I

(22:28):
believe, agreed upon thing wayback. But, you know, along those
lines, that was a lesson for meto say, Well, how can I heal
myself, I know that I'm notdoing these surgeries. I'm not
taking that medication, becauseI've seen what it can do to
people. Let's find out ifthere's another way. And I have
the internet. So it's like, oh,I'm having anxiety attacks. This

(22:52):
thing says meditation and yogahelps. Well, let's try that.
Right. I didn't have medicalinsurance, cuz I was like, quit
my job to become an artist fulltime. So I was like, Well, I
better learn how to take care ofmyself.

William Forchion (23:09):
And so I mentioned that I listened to
your, your music on YouTube.
Please tell everyone what wasthat I was listening to that you
don't know exactly what videowas using. But you have a guess
you have a go.

Nicole Nelson (23:29):
I have a group.
It's called Dwight and Nicole.
And we used to tour all over theplace. And hopefully we will
again,

William Forchion (23:39):
Hopefully, please you need to be out there
in the world. Yes,

Nicole Nelson (23:42):
I know, I do miss it. I do miss it. Although the
rest has been quite nice, butunexpected, unexpected joy of
stopping and having to stop. ButI digress. So it's called why
and Nicole, it's it's just asmuch Dwight's band as it is my
band. And that was the joy of usdeciding to do this together was

(24:03):
kind of like do I not have to doall of this myself anymore.
Like, you write a bunch of thesongs, and then I'll write some
of the songs and we can likekind of come together and, and
I'm saying he's got a greatvoice. Also, Dwight used to be
in a band called The DwightRichard band in Boston. Excuse
me. And I used to go see him allthe time. I was like, This is

(24:26):
the only man that's doinganything that I'm obsessed with
in Boston. At the time, therewas a lot of like cover bands
and a lot of like, blues coverstuff. And like, he was just
doing really original music andhe had this really beautiful
expressive voice. So I was I wasjust into it. And so

William Forchion (24:45):
And your voices are very well matched as
well to I would have to say,once again, so I don't know
Dwight. So I'm not trying topush him out of the scene, but
I'm talking to you and I reallydo appreciate what Dwight and
Nicole are putting out in theworld, and which is why I wanted
you on my show.

Nicole Nelson (25:06):
Thank you. And did you see the video "wait"?

William Forchion (25:10):
Oh, I can't I wrote it down. And I totally
forgot which one there were twoof them. And because I went
through, I trolled through abunch of things, I think.
Hallelujah, you have yourversion of hallelujah up there.

Nicole Nelson (25:21):
Oh, nice from the voice or from the band

William Forchion (25:24):
from the band.
And I was like, whoo. And,(softly) was it "wait"?, Oh,
God, it was it was wanting tojust like I was, I was floored,
I was absolutely floored. And Ihad to write it down to let you
know that I was like, I watchedthis video.

Nicole Nelson (25:45):
That just means that literally means everything
to me, my whole life, I've justwanted to use the talents that I
was born with, it feels likeduty, there's like a, I have to
do something with this thatmakes people feel better,
because I was always aroundunwell. Like, not well Miss. And

(26:09):
I was always like, how do I makethis balance? Like just kind of
craving as a sensitive, reallysensitive person, I'm really
like, intuitive, sensitive, youknow, I feel everything. I sense
everyone's everything. And ithas been overwhelming at times.
So I had to, like, learn how tocreate a space for myself where

(26:30):
I can be well, and part of myjourney was trying to make
everyone else well, all the timeat home. And, you know, you
those of us who do that, youknow, you burn yourself out

William Forchion (26:42):
that can be quite overwhelming.

Nicole Nelson (26:43):
Yes, it can be.
So learning how to bring balanceback in is,

William Forchion (26:49):
is. So you have rituals that you use for
healing? Do you have ritualsthat you use to like to bring
yourself back or to stop thehealing process so that you can
take care of you for a moment?

Nicole Nelson (27:02):
Do you have all the same ritual, it's all the
same. It's all one thing. It'sit's that one thing, which is a
combination of intuitive for mebreathwork and movements for my
own body and sound. It's alsolight, it's also vibration via

(27:24):
you know, lots of colorfulfruits and vegetables and
everything is vibration. So likewhen you're feeling lethargic or
dark, eat a lot of bright,sparkly, things like that helps
to balance that out. Like ifyou're, you know, when you're
feeling depressed, or whenyou're feeling like load dense

(27:45):
energy running in your body. Andyou just can't get out of it,
taking in things. Looking at theworld as as vibration looking at
this, like this is sound andthat's wonderful. That's one
thing. Then you have the soundof your own voice and the words
that you're speaking carryvibration, the food that we're
eating carries vibration. Noneof this is new, you know, we've

(28:09):
all heard these things before,but the fact of the matter is
that that this is the realitythat we're in. So everything
else is sidestepping the bottomline, which is in order to heal
all the things as much as wepossibly can. We need to bring
ourselves into balancedresonance within ourselves and

(28:29):
doing that kind of healingbrings a balanced state of mind
it brings rational power in inany wild situation and it also
teaches that our bodies to healthemselves,

William Forchion (28:44):
or our podcast audience that is not seeing the
video of this in front of you.
You have a crystal healing bowl.

Nicole Nelson (28:53):
This is pretty new for me the bow, I wanted
something that would play asteady tone that I could sing
around. I just felt like thatwas like a thing that I wanted
to do. And so I bought one ofthese and I was like oh I love
this. So this is this movemovement happening in the half

(29:15):
the time so you're hearing tooThis is the sound

William Forchion (31:04):
That's so beautiful. So nice was so
beautiful. And when you havesuch a soft voice, and yet you
have such depth to that voice,which is something that I hear
in your singing. And it's notit's just I, it's so easy to say

(31:26):
what is not. But what it is it'ssuch a wonderful grounding,
without it being weighty. It'slike the grass coming up to meet
your feet as opposed to the bodysending roots down to anchor.
It's, there's, it's just areally wonderful earthy, deep

(31:47):
tonal sound that just resonates.

Nicole Nelson (31:51):
Ah, that's so beautiful. Well, I used to be a
very loud singer, and sometimesI still am. And I feel like the
being able to express all ofthose things. It's been the
greatest joy of my life to be, Iwas very defiant. And I still

(32:11):
am. When it comes to definingmyself as a singer so that I can
be marketable. It's beenhilarious journey along those
lines in my life with meetingwith executives, and then being
like, here the next week, hesaid, and I'm like, No, already

(32:32):
has a Whitney Houston's planet,not the next one to Houston,
like, we don't see eye to eyeand it wouldn't be right away.
It was like, let's see wherethis goes before anyone signs
anything, maybe we're on thesame page. And inevitably, we
would not be on the same page.
And I was like, Look, don't bemad at me, there's a long line
of girls that will would killfor this opportunity. And they

(32:53):
will be following right behindme that I hear I'm calming. So
I'm just gonna step aside, youknow, because that's not why I'm
here to be a pop star and likethings in that life is not my
fault.

William Forchion (33:10):
I think some people think that it's a
compliment when they say, oh,you're the next or you're so and
so. And really it's you know, Idon't want to be the next.
Anyone. I want to be the firstme. No,

Nicole Nelson (33:24):
of course what?
That's why we're here. Clientsare here, right?

William Forchion (33:30):
So I do have mentors, and I do look at people
and go Hmm, you have forged apath, or clear a path that looks
similar to the path that I'm I'mon and from karma. Can we talk
about that? For me? There'sfolks like Geoffrey holder, who
was all over the place could notbe you couldn't put a pin in him
and tell him he's any one thing.
He was a dancer. He was apainter. He was a singer. He was

(33:51):
an actor. He was he did it all.
And and if you ask him, hedidn't do enough. Probably, you
know, he's since passed. And Iwish I just really wish I had
met him if I wish I had justgone across the bridge to
Brooklyn where he lived and justtook the you know, as a young

(34:12):
actor just said, Mr. Holder.

Nicole Nelson (34:18):
That's good advice. I don't do that enough.
Like reaching out to the peopleI reached out to like Mavis
Staples. She knows how much Ilove her. Thank God. But there's
so many that I haven't met. Imet Dr. Maya Angelou and she
knows how much I love her. I'vemet some of my great great
heroes, but my have a millionothers.

William Forchion (34:40):
Right. I mean, I had a great I was very
fortunate to be hired to be astunt double for Louis Gossett,
Jr. And so we got to worktogether for a couple days on a
film. And boy Yeah, it was astunt double Yeah. simple stuff
and he He was, he was just hewas so gracious. He was so

(35:03):
generous and caring as a personthat the, you know, he stepped
out of his active role. And he,he just passed on some he
dropped some nuggets of wisdomupon me. At the time that I just
I will hold on to dearly that ofhow he said about being in the
business, because I told himwhat my background was, what's

(35:24):
that?

Nicole Nelson (35:25):
Do share

William Forchion (35:26):
Well, one of the things was was being that
individual, he said, I'm LouisGossett, Jr. and he had talked
about his career, and how theworst thing that happened to him
was his Oscar, he won an Oscar.
And now as a black actor, no onewas willing to pay him what he
was worth as an Oscar winner.
And so he had to create he hadto become, he had to become a
producer in order to continuehis career. And you think, Wow,

(35:50):
you've won the, you know, the,the ultimate prize an actor aims
for, and that messed up hislife. Because it didn't take him
as a black actor. It didn't takehim where he thought it would
take him. It actually took awayhis career, until he could take
charge of what it was he wasdoing. And I come from I went to

(36:12):
music went to school for musicaltheater, I became a clown. They
did stunts, they did a lot ofthings. And he was one of the
people that looked at me and didnot flinch. Because of all the
things that I did. He said, keepdoing it. Don't let yourself
define be defined by one thing,because if that is so then
someone could just say, Oh, wekeep you away from the one thing

(36:33):
that you do. And then who areyou? What are you? What do you
do?

Nicole Nelson (36:37):
Oh, that's a trap. I mean, the bigger the
label the the stronger theshackles as far as I've my
experience so far away from it.
It's not good for your Instagramfollowing numbers. But to stay,

William Forchion (36:51):
oh, I know.
I'm going to be the master ofthis thing. And that that
mastery thing? Oh,

Nicole Nelson (36:58):
it's a lie.

William Forchion (37:01):
It is. And I also have another mentor right
here and in Brattleboro,Vermont, Stephen Sterns, he was
one of the founders, the founderof the New England Youth
Theatre, which is a children'stheatre company and training
school. And he will say, and hesaid to me, years ago, he said,
"don't be the best at anything.
be the only when somebody comeson looking for what it is that

(37:24):
you do, they'll come looking foryou. Not the best, but you
because you're the only one". Ilove that

Nicole Nelson (37:33):
that's a challenge that was for me, I was
such a perfectionist like highachieving, like maniac as a kid
that I'm, I still struggle withthat I still struggle with
comparison and being like, I canbe better. There's someone
that's better. Well, how do Iget to be that good? And like,
you know, just always thisupward? You know, it's just

(37:55):
always hiking up. And like, Ineed to like, relax with that
still to this day, right?

William Forchion (38:04):
Where I mean, I've got we've gone kind of
swirl around a lot of differentthings here. You've done some
little sound healing. You'vetalked about your video, like
some of your spirit journey,you've talked about your parents
and your upbringing, we'vestepped into fears and dangers.
Whoa, where do we go from here?
Something that I'm dealing with,especially from 2020. And what

(38:25):
we're dealing with civil, civil,civil movements happening.
Social Justice is stepping intothe world of emancipation,
emancipation emancipatingourselves, from our familial
histories, we, you know, everyone of our every generation,
when they pass, they try to holdon to the baggage of their

(38:48):
generation, and take it to theirgraves with them. Yet in the
generation coming up behindthem, Trump feels all that
tension and all that baggage andtakes it with him. And so I'm at
a point where my great, greatgrandfather, my great, great,
was born enslaved. That isbaggage that I still hold on to.
And you know, instead ofthinking, Well, you know, it's

(39:12):
that far away. I think it's thatclose. No, it's not far away.
And so even though he was freedfrom slavery, there's still a
there's still a shackle on eachgeneration and knowing that it
was only one generation ago nowtwo generations ago now three
generations ago. And I mean,their stories that I hear from

(39:36):
my grandmother, who she when shestarted getting her dimension,
Alzheimer went right back to heryouth and talks about some of
the racial racist things andracial problems that she dealt
with that even though that wasin her lifetime, she passed that
story on to me. How do we if youhave insight here, how do we

(39:59):
start to emancipate ourselves sothat we don't carry that baggage
with us as well. And thrive inthis time.

Nicole Nelson (40:13):
I can speak on what I know personally from my
own experience, and that is thatany story can be a prison. And
we, the best way to release fromany label any story, any
pattern, be it genetic handeddown along those lines or past

(40:38):
life, or simply going throughtrauma in this life, or even
just being struck, by the waythat you see yourself a certain
way or, I mean, we have thesepatterns we carry, God knows how
far back they go, and how deepthey go. But releasing them, for
me, it's been the same processas healing in from everything

(41:00):
along those lines, which islooking at it as it's like
debris in your field. It's likeyou're, if you ask the question,
who you are, well, getting downto the basics where this
structure of apparent solidity,we're not solid at all, we're
just buzzing patterns. Right?
We're vibrational energy.

(41:27):
So in that is, it's like alittle program running write a
code is I mean, a genetic codeis exactly a program running.
But not to like split hairs onwhat it actually is. Because
it's more than that, too. Butit's like a program that has a
life of its own. I mean, whatelse are we but a bundle of

(41:49):
programs that have its own life,right? So releasing, that comes
down to 100%, claiming one's ownsovereignty, and clearing in a
very strong and powerful way,coming into your space and
inviting out that which is notyours. And yours being you in

(42:14):
this exact moment, right hereright now, where you stand right
here, not what you were doingyesterday, and not what you're
thinking about doing in an hour,those are all gone. And they're
not real. And they're likemirages. So we can get caught up
in the mirage of what was orwhat might be. Or we can take

(42:36):
that same power of imagination,which is a wonderful gift and a
wonderful tool, and bring itinto the moment that we're in
and use it to clear out andescort out and invite out all
that we are choosing in thismoment that we don't want to
carry, and bringing in thatwhich we are. And so it's

(42:57):
practice. And it's a matter ofdoing it every day. And if you
look at things as cycles, andyou look at the from the macro
to the micro, every single dayis a cycle around the sun, your
hand or the sun moving around usfrom our perspective, what are
we looking at, we're looking atthe day and then night, it's a

(43:19):
beginning and an endingsymbolically, but it's not just
symbolically there's more to it,nothing is just a symbol, it's
always there's always somepattern, that's a lesson. So
when I look at the day, and thenight every single day, I do
this again, before I do anythingelse, declare your space, clear
your space, invite in yourhigher aspect, invite in love

(43:44):
invite out fear, jealousy, allthe kind of lower density things
we all know what they arebecause they we feel terrible
when we think or get stuck inthese other things and you feel
really great. When you embracefeeling joy feeling love feeling
your power. So inviting in thosethings and just pick your
picturing it using your powersof imagination. And sound is

(44:07):
wonderful, you know, using abowl like this or humming it's
just think of it as your theyour your you've got the ocean
liner, you're near the big boat.
There's all these other littleboats past future worries, the
people down the street, theannoying neighbor, the dog won't
stop barking, whatever it is,that's like being like creating
little ripples around your thebig boat, little ripples are not

(44:30):
going to stop you right. So thatlike getting that getting that
solid by it's not actuallysolid, it's willing to move it
has to be able to move becausethe you're in the ocean, which
is you know, metaphorically thethe world around us as part of
story. And so, being the bigboat creates the big waves. And

(44:52):
if you can encapsulate thatwherever you go and just
remember that It helps to startto release these patterns that
keep coming back. If you don'taddress them, literally, to some
extent everyday clearing thesecond that I start letting too
many days pile up, I startcarrying around stuff that I'll

(45:12):
say something and I'm like, Idon't even know why I just
reacted like that. Who is? Youknow, you know, it's, it's a
matter of the practice,

William Forchion (45:23):
that's power.
Is there something that youwould like to say to your
younger self? Just pass oninformation for your younger
self, that will help get you totoday?

Nicole Nelson (45:37):
Oh, this is a great question. I, the way
that I look at life is verynonlinear from a time
perspective. And I do feel thatone of my, to come back to a
question from earlier, one of myguides, is actually myself
older. And when, when, when Iwas going through some of the
most difficult times in my life,I would go into meditation,

(46:00):
which I encourage my youngerself to do more of. I did a
little bit though, and when Iwould do a visualization, I
would see this older woman thatwas there, she was like seeming
like 100 or older. And she wouldhave like, long white braids,
and looked like maybe she was mygreat grandmother or something.

(46:22):
And she would just hold me. Andlike, the feeling of her holding
me and like, she would rock meon this porch. And when I was a
little kid, I picture this wholeporch of this woman in a river.
And like, years later, I waslike, I think that that's that
was me, like, that was me,future me, sending love and
healing to the past. Becausewe're in this soup time is not

(46:48):
what it appears to be. So whenyou do this kind of work, and
you're clearing out the past,you're letting you're actually
using your imagination to gointo your fears or thoughts or
hurts or whatever. To just clearthem out and thank them for
their time and invite them out.

(47:10):
You're you're sending energyinto past, you know, so this is
how we are angels for eachother, like you can help to your
your great grandfather, yourgreat great grandfather, to just
feel somehow strong enough toget through the next day, you
know, where's this coming from?
God? Well, we that's the part ofus that is God that travels like

(47:30):
that. And the intention withopen heart. It moves that way
through space and time old me istalking to young me and that's
how I know I'm on the rightpath.

William Forchion (47:45):
So that's, it's great that you say that
because years ago, I I alwayshave felt the presence of other
spirits and things. And I'veseen many apparitions.

Nicole Nelson (47:58):
Oh, we have to do this whole talk again, just
about that.

William Forchion (48:01):
I had when I was living in old farmhouse. And
I kept seeing this old man andhis old woman. And, and I would
see them like be in the kitchen.
There. They were in the livingroom. And one point, I don't
know if it was a dream inside ofa dream. But I was face to face
with This old man, he came outof the darkness to me from the
living room, and I was in thekitchen. And when I looked into
his face, I was surprisedbecause I had known who that the

(48:25):
owners of the house that hadlived there prior to us had died
there. And they had lived therefor 50 some odd years. 60 some
odd years. So I always thoughtthat the ghosts that I was
seeing were them. And when Ilooked at the face of this
apparition in front of me, Iknew inherently I recognized me.
I was looking into my own face,but I was old, I was very old.

(48:50):
And the and I just got the senselike a energy transfer of
information that like if youdidn't speak or anything, but I
could hear inside of my headthat he was I'm checking on you
to make sure everything is okay.
And then they just went away. Idon't know who the woman was.

(49:13):
I'd never got a real clearvision but I knew there was a
man and there was a woman andthey were comfortable with each
other in that space. But theywere just checking to make sure
everything was okay. Wow. Isthere something that you would
like to share with this podcastaudience that needs to go out
there now?

Nicole Nelson (49:31):
Sure. I'm releasing some new music soon.
We've got working on some musicvideos and we're doing some
live. Things check out I wantInstagram person my personal
page is Nicole Nell song.
N.I.C.O.L.E.N.E.L.S.O.NG. at Instagram or Ins

(49:52):
agram (@nicolenelsong)at Nicoe now song and then the band pa
es at Dwight and Nicole jut all spelled out. Yeah, we're
gonna be doing some really coolive streaming things coming u
that we're excited abot and releasing some music.
hat's about all the stuffwe're talking

William Forchion (50:11):
Thank you so much. Thank you. So I can't
even, I'm so grateful, so filledwith gratitude. Just likewise,
Nicole Nelson, all thank you somuch for gracing us with your
vibrational presence. Thank youfor being here. And I look

(50:32):
forward to more and moreconversations and I just also
look forward to this hearing yousing. So this has been
Billosophy 101. Remember, moveforward with passion and
purpose. And every morning andevery night. If you have to look

(50:54):
in the mirror, say it toyourself, know it to be true. I
am enough. I am enough. Onceagain, this is the Billosophy
101 podcast. Tell everybody youknow that we're here. And we're
changing the world. Onevibration at a time. Thank you

(51:17):
very much.

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