October 21, 2024 • 27 mins
Have you struggled to find your path in your brain injury journey?
Courtney Watson is the Director of Programs & Development at Head for the Cure, a nonprofit that provides advice, stories, and resources, in collaboration with doctors, patients, and caregivers for every step of the brain tumor journey.
Courtney shares her personal connection to the cause following her mother's glioblastoma diagnosis in 2016 and discusses the organization's efforts in raising funds for local organizations, clinical trials, and research.
Head for the Cure offers many resources, e.g. support groups, treatment information, and the Rare Enough podcast. They also offer a new resource called
Join Your Path to Hope (JPH), which guides survivors and caregivers on their brain tumor journey through a quick questionnaire.
Courtney encourages all of us to find our path, join together, and get involved in the fight against brain cancer.
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bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (00:10):
Hi, I'm Kerri, a stroke survivor and
a member of BIND, and todaywe're welcoming Courtney Watson,
who's the Director of Programsand
Developments for Head for the
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (00:18):
Cure.
So,
Welcome to BINDWAVES, theofficial podcast of the Brain
Injury Network of Dallas.
I'm Brian White, BIND'sExecutive Director.
On each episode, we'll beproviding insight into the brain
injury community.
We'll be talking to members andprofessionals regarding their
stories and the important roleof BIND's Clubhouse.
(00:39):
We work as a team to inspirehope, community, and a sense of
purpose to survivors,caregivers, and the public.
Thank you for tuning intoBINDWAVES.
BINDWAVES Let's get on with theshow.
courtney-watson_1_10-03- (00:51):
Hello, how are you?
Yeah.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (00:54):
You're doing well.
Um, so I guess just to get usstarted for all of our
listeners, so they have a betterunderstanding, can you tell us
What is Head for the Cure?
I mean, I mean, not like abasic, you know, general.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (01:08):
Yeah, yeah, Heads of the Cure is a
nonprofit organization.
We're based in Kansas City,Missouri, where we host
primarily our 5k roadwalksacross the country.
So we luckily have over 25events, uh, ranging from Seattle
to Orlando.
So really across the countrywhere we get to really celebrate
(01:28):
and honor the brain tumorcommunity, um, and we get to
share our resources, ourdifferent platforms throughout
the organization, um, and reallyjust bring everyone together.
Our community is incredible, andit's really an honor to be able
to be a part of it.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (01:46):
Okay, and it is more than just a 5k
run
courtney-watson_1_1 (01:49):
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yeah.
I actually always say thatwhenever I'm talking to anyone
about our events.
Um, I think the 5k part is kindof the last part of it.
Um, you know, our events aretruly different, I think, than
other organizations out there.
Um, we really, really strive toenhance The community bring
everyone in, um, we have variousvendors from the local
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community, um, that come out andare a part.
We have, um, you know, differentaspects in terms of programs for
the events.
So we get to honor differentcaregivers, um, and healthcare
heroes in that community, um,and also recognize the
incredible warriors, um, thatare going through a current
diagnosis, um, and really justcelebrate everyone as, as
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they're going through thisfight.
Um, we know that, we just wanteveryone to know that they're
not alone through this.
Um, as you know, having a braintumor can be extremely
isolating.
Um, however, you know, HybridCare has various resources like
support groups, um, we have ourevents, um, and really just
online communities as well tobring everyone together.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (03:00):
That's great.
Um, I know I've done the Headfor the Cure.
We've had a booth the lastseveral years at the Head for
the Cure here in Plano inDallas, and like I said, we just
got to go to Houston this lastweekend.
So that was fun.
It was nice to see a differentvenue since I've always only
done the Dallas one.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah,
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03- (03:15):
very fun.
courtney-watson_1_10-03- (03:16):
having different, um, you know,
community members just like, uh,BIND come out to our events.
Our North Texas one's reallyspecial because we have, um, you
know, a few organizations thatwe, we have, um, that are part
of the brain tumor communityand, and everyone's so close
knit.
So it's really great bringingeveryone together.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (03:35):
And I know a lot of people don't
think of brain tumor necessarilyas part of the brain injury
community, but we consider Headfor the Cure part of our brain
injury community as well.
We have several members thathave had brain tumors of some
sort or another that havejoined.
We have a group here called GrayMatters that is a local support
group.
So, you
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, we love Grey Matters.
Um, uh, I think a great part ofour organization is that, um,
With our 5Ks, uh, we don't justhave the 5K and then, you know,
take the money, we, what we dois we really try to, again,
partner with local support, um,and so we are able to partner
(04:15):
with different, uh,organizations or academic
centers, different hospitals inall of our cities that we're in,
um, and a portion of the fundswill go back to whatever they're
working on, whether that'sclinical trials, research, um,
um, You know, the science stuffor, um, you know, like Gray
Matters is actually one of ourbeneficiary partners, um, and
we're able to support them as,you know, they have various
(04:38):
fees, uh, throughout the year orthrough their picnic, luncheons,
things like that.
So, um, you know, it's really anhonor to partner with
organizations like, like youguys and Gray Matters.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (04:50):
that's great.
Um, so when did Head for theCure actually get started?
How long has it been around?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-20 (04:56):
It's been around since 2003.
Um, our founder, Matt Anthony,he lost his brother to a
glioblastoma that year.
Um, they're a very active familyand so running, cycling was a
big part of everything.
Um, and they really just wantedto honor, um, Chris is, is his
name.
And they did a small 5K inKansas City where they're from.
(05:17):
And it was, you know, 300people.
It was, it was a great kind ofturnout.
Fast forward to 22 years later,21 years later, we just hosted
our Kansas City event in Augustand we have raised over$710,000
with over 6,000 participants.
(05:37):
So it's incredibly grown overthe years and obviously expanded
into different cities and that'show we have one in North Texas.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (05:48):
Right.
Well, how many different citiesdo y'all have runs
courtney-watson_1_10-03-202 (05:50):
Uh, right now we have about 25.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (05:54):
Okay.
That's pretty good.
So, how did you get involvedwith Head for the Cure?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (06:01):
So I actually found out about Head
for the Care, uh, when my momwas diagnosed with the
glioblastoma in 2016.
Uh, we went to a, uh,appointment that she had with
her neuro oncologist in thearea.
This is when I lived in KansasCity, and, uh, he had a poster
about a 5k event, and he said,you know, this is a great
organization, um, the events arekind of one of a kind, uh, it
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would be, you know, probably agood thing for you guys to
attend.
And so, uh, 2016, we, we haveour first team for the event,
uh, we brought family, friends,my mom was able to be there, um,
and we enjoyed the morning, uh,it was, it was really great to
see people that, you know, We'rein the same club.
Um, I kind of always say we'rein this club that we don't want
(06:45):
to be in, but we're making themost of it.
Um, and we were able to, youknow, connect with people and
different aspects of, of kind ofwhat we're going through as
people experience, uh, along thejourney.
And, uh, we've had a team eversince then.
Um, I luckily was able to join.
our event's team for Head forthe Cure in 2018 and really kind
(07:08):
of move into this, thisnonprofit world.
Uh, I'd always kind of, I thinkI wanted to work for a charity
organization in the realm ofcancer.
Uh, uh, growing up, um, youknow, I, I had loved ones past
that I was close with and,Having my mom pass of brain
cancer was extremely hard and itjust kind of gave me a purpose
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to look forward into.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-202 (07:34):
I can, I can relate to that.
So, um, curious, because, like,I'm the opposite, um, after my
stroke, I had to move in with myparents, who became my
caregiver, and that was adifficult relationship.
It changed a lot.
You know, we had to work outsome things, so I'm curious how
that worked for you, like, whatthe relationship was, how, if
that changed from motherdaughter, when you became a
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (07:55):
It did.
Um, I was in my early twentieswhen that happened.
Uh, I lived in Kansas City, butwith friends and the day that
she was actually taken to theICU and everything kind of
happened.
Um, that night I basically justmoved in back with my parents.
Um, I was You know, I think it'sthat incline that every person
goes through.
They're like, you just do it.
(08:16):
Uh, you just take care ofsomeone, you know, when they're
going through something likethis.
And that was kind of myinstinct.
And so I lived with, back withmy parents for, um, gosh, it was
probably a year and a half.
Um, heard, you know, She wasdiagnosed, and she passed about
nine months later, so her, um,journey was pretty short, um,
just because of how bad it waswhen they found it.
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Um, her cognitive abilities werevery, very low.
She needed a lot of assistancein terms of, you know, getting
around the house, getting up thestairs, showering, all of that.
Um, it kind of was that role, itkind of reversed a little bit.
I was Kind of the caretakeralong with my stepdad, my
brother, um, and she kind of hadthat, you know, child aspect,
(09:02):
um, because our cognition was solow, uh, of where the tumor was.
So, um, I kind of say I doubledmy age overnight.
Um, you know, you kind of expectto do something like that in
like your 40s, 50s as yourparents age, but not as a 22, 23
year old.
And, you know, I definitelychanged.
(09:22):
Um, you know, I think I matureda lot.
You, you realize that you can'tswap the small things in life,
um, and something like that is,is incredibly hard to go through
and being around that with yourother, your family members as
well.
You know, you lean on each otherfor support.
Um, we got, got a lot closerwith my brother and my stepdad,
uh, throughout the whole thing.
(09:44):
And, um, you really just connectwith everyone even more because,
because you have to rely on eachother.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (09:52):
right?
I completely understand that,um, and that's where places,
again, like Gray Matters comesin, they provide that support
for the caregivers, because, youknow, Caregivers need a lot of
support.
We say in our, in our littleclubhouse, you know, that brain
injury, when it happens, andit's the same, I'm gonna guess,
with cancer, any of that kindof, it's the same.
When something traumatic likethat happens, it takes a
(10:14):
village.
It's not just happening to theperson that is diagnosed.
It happens, the whole family isaffected, and that's That's what
I think a lot of people in justthe general community don't
really get or understand abouthow this works and that it's
really is an entire familyevent.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024_ (10:34):
I mean, we, we're kind of within
the foundation and we talk abouthow important caregivers are,
um, and that, you know, they sayusually it's, you know, so many
people are impacted by braincancer a year, but it's actually
probably triple that, uh, if nottriple, just because of, like
you said, the amount of familymembers, friends that it
requires to help.
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Um, you know, there was, youknow, Myself, my brother, my
stepdad, my mom, you know, herfriends and family helped out.
So, um, just because, you know,with a brain injury or a brain
tumor, depending on where it is,each kind of millimeter or
centimeter matters, it's notlike other tumors where you can,
you know, maybe take out breasttissue or, you know, take out
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part of your liver.
You can't.
You can remove brain matter, butit's going to impact the person,
you know, pretty bad.
So she wasn't able to drive.
Um, we really kind of had tolike, take away her phone.
She, you know, cognitivelydidn't really use it.
Or if she would, she would geton Facebook and repost random
things.
Um, so again, kind of liketoddler like mentality.
(11:40):
Um, so yeah, it really does takea village and, you know, that's
why we're here with Head for theCure is really trying to, um,
have resources.
For caregivers and patientsgoing through this, um, there's
a lot of information out there,um, as I'm sure with brain
injuries as well, and so it canget very overwhelming really
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quick.
Um, stay away from Google, um,and so it's, it's just really
one of those things that thereisn't a lot of education out
there either, just because it'ssuch a rare type of cancer, um,
and a rare type of tumors.
Um, and so.
Whatever is out there that wepresent to our community as an
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organization, we want to makesure that, you know, it's able
to help people, um, and it'svetted by the doctors that we
partner with.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (12:31):
So, as you've been, you know, you're
immersed in the world now thatwe work with Head
for the Cure, not just
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03- (12:36):
your mother, but, so what would you
say is the most impactful factthat you've learned about brain
cancer that you would like ourlisteners to know?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (12:45):
Yeah, good question.
Um, definitely, I think that,you know, there's really only
like five FDA approvedtreatments and device for brain
cancer or brain tumors.
Um, whereas cancers like breastcancer or lung cancer, there's
way more treatment options.
Uh, there's a very, verylimited.
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Um, amount of approved ones thatpeople can go to and doctors can
prescribe just because the purefact that this disease is so
underfunded, meaning it's sounder researched, and then it
kind of just trickles down fromthere.
So, um, you know, whereasthere's new treatments for other
cancers, you know, every year,every five years, um, you know,
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one just got FDA approved abouta month ago.
The time before that wasprobably like 10, 15 years ago,
which is insane.
Um, so what we, you know, try todo as an organization is the
funds that come in.
Uh, we are able to say, youknow, 88 cents per dollar
donated goes directly toclinical trials, research, and
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patient and caregiver support.
Uh, we want to make sure thatthe money is put where we need
it.
And, um, you know, hopefully oneday we have a cure for this,
but, um, I would love to be outof a job one day.
Um, but you know, we, we knowthat that may not happen anytime
soon.
So really just being able towork with other organizations as
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well, um, and, and help fund thethings that are promising and
have more than five treatmentoptions.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (14:19):
Right.
What are maybe some of themisconceptions about brain
cancer?
courtney-watson_1_10-03- (14:24):
That's a great question.
So we kind of talked about alittle bit earlier, but with
brain cancer and brain tumors,there's over 120 different
types.
So realistically what that meansis that There's different cell
types for a lot of them, and sotreatments don't always work for
them.
And so that's kind of whythere's only so many treatment
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options.
Um, and you know, it's, it's notlike other cancers.
It can be very aggressive.
You know, my mom, for example,she We kind of noticed her
personality was changing alittle bit, um, in January of
2016, February ish.
And by the time they foundeverything in March, early
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March, the tumor had gone from,you know, her frontal lobe, kind
of on the left hand side, allthe way down and kind of back.
So it grows so fast for aglioblastoma, um, and is super
aggressive and, you know,unfortunately, grows really,
really fast.
Um And so a lot of people, oncethey get to that point, there's
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not a lot of options to go toright after that.
There's surgery, uh, chemo,pill, and radiation.
Um, and for my mom, at least, wehad to bump up some of it
because it was growing so fast.
So you may not get that withthat with other cancers.
Um, another misconception is,is, you know, The patient going
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through it, um, may not knowwhat's going on.
Um, and so the family has tohave a lot of, uh, assistance
and has to make a lot ofdecisions, whereas other cancer
types.
Usually the patient can do thatfor themselves and advocate for
themselves.
Um, you know, like I said, mymom, she kind of referred it
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back to in kind of a toddlermindset.
And so, I mean, she's 50 yearsold.
We didn't have, she didn't havea will.
She didn't have anything likethat.
Um, and so as, you know, Herchildren, and with my, along
with my stepdad, you know, wehad to make some really tough
decisions, um, that most peoplereally ever wouldn't think of.
Um, so there's, like you said,there's a lot more, I think,
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pressure and impact on thecaregivers, um, with, with brain
cancer and brain tumors than,you know, other cancers out
there.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (16:46):
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So, um, And now I have to lookat my notes again because that
always throws me off and I can'tremember where I was or what I
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wanted to say.
Um, so, we keep, like, usingthe, I want to make sure I
understand and that ourlisteners understand.
So, we're saying brain cancer,but we're also saying brain
tumor a lot.
Can you have a brain tumor andnot have brain cancer?
Or do the two go hand in
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (17:25):
Yeah, for your first question, yeah,
you're correct.
Um, so there are malignant andbenign brain tumors.
Um, there can be some peoplethat have, you know, a slow
growing brain tumor that is noncancerous and they can get it
removed and completely have anormal life.
Um, and it's just kind of ablip, you know, uh, in their, in
their timeline.
Um, you know, the, I think themain people hear about brain
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cancers, um, but we do haveresources, um, and help for
both, uh, avenues.
You know, people that have braintumors still may have effects
from surgery that people withbrain cancer.
might have as well.
So if, you know, they havesurgery and maybe their physical
gait is different or theircognition is a little different
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post surgery, we do haveresources for that as well.
Because a lot of the timespeople with brain cancer
sometimes have those sameeffects.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (18:20):
Okay, um, now I, is there any other,
like, that you want to make surepeople know about?
brain cancer or what, what theHead for the Cure can do for
them.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (18:38):
Yeah, so we like I said, we really
kind of So, um, you know, Ithink it's really important that
we pride ourselves on ourcommunity and how much of a
grassroots foundation we are.
Um, you know, every singledollar that comes in, whether
it's a$5 donation, a$100donation, you know, we really
do, um, use it to the best ofour ability and make sure that,
um, you know, things are goingtowards the proper resources
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and, you know, like I said,trials, clinical trials, all
that good stuff.
So, um.
You know, we've been able toluckily raise over$20 million
over the past 21 years.
So, um, a lot of those funds arebeing put towards, um, you know,
those important needs, like I,like I mentioned, but, um, you
know, really, it's just, wereally enjoy our community and
(19:24):
how personable it is, um, andhow kind of We make our events
different compared to otherorganizations or other, uh,
activations out there.
Um, yes, it's a tough thing forpeople to go through, but we
want to make sure that peopleare still able to enjoy their
morning, enjoy their day, feelconnected with people.
Um, You know, I love our NorthTexas event just because there's
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so many hugs and smiles.
Um, there's so many people,which is awesome.
So it's, it's those morningsthat I know people look forward
to every single year.
Um, you know, on staff, we'reable to experience that a lot
more, which is so impactful.
Um, but we knew, do know thatpeople, you know, are only able
to participate once a year.
And so we want to make that asmemorable as possible.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (20:09):
Okay, so and when you have the Head
for the Cure in Dallas, does themoney that's raised from that
walk stay in the Dallas area, ordoes a portion stay with the,
the whole non profit?
How does, I mean,
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (20:22):
Yeah, yeah.
So technically, a little bit ofboth.
Um, so a portion of the fundswill go, um, towards the work at
UT Southwestern, um, and theirresearch that they're doing with
brain tumors and brain cancer.
Um, some of it will also go tothe Gray Matter Support Group,
so whatever they need it,whether it's, um, for picnics,
luncheons, uh, you know, websitemaintenance, whatever they need.
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Um, and then another portion ofthat, you know, after
everything's all, allreconciled, uh, we'll go towards
our national initiatives.
So whether it's our programs,um, that we have called Brains
for the Cure, um, things likethat.
So it's, it's split updifferently across the board,
but yes, uh, the majority of theportion stays locally.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (21:04):
Okay, that's great.
And then, um, since you'rejoining us on our podcast, I
understand that Head for theCure has a podcast, too.
Can you share a little bit aboutthat so our listeners can try to
find
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (21:15):
We do! It is called The Rare Enough
Podcast.
Our incredible community andfundraising coordinator, DJ, is
actually a five year GBMsurvivor.
He is probably one of the mostpositive people I've ever met in
my life.
And he hosts our podcast.
So, uh, we release episodesmonthly, um, and just have
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guests that talk about reallyspecific topics and have those
conversations that you may nothear anywhere else.
Um, you know, the brain cancercommunity, uh, is small, but we
know people are impacted sodifferently across the board.
Um, and so, you know, hearingthese conversations with, uh,
patients or caregivers orindustry partners or doctors,
(21:57):
uh, kind of about what, what'sall going on in the world.
Um, you know, it's really great.
And we're able to, to share thatwith our community each month.
So, um, yeah, it's called theRare Enough Podcast.
It's on Apple, Spotify, whereveryou listen to your podcasts.
Um, and, uh, our next episode isreleased in a couple of weeks.
So on Wednesdays and each month,
bindwaves-host662_1_10 (22:19):
Awesome.
And then, do you know, I mean,what are their future plans for
Head for the Cure?
Like, where, where are y'allgoing?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024_ (22:26):
a lot of questions.
If you ask our founder, it's,uh, way more events.
And so we'll, we'll definitely,you know, always expand our high
runs every year.
Uh, we have a couple of newcities for next year that we're
excited to, to bring our eventsto.
Um, we've been growing ourresources a lot this year
between, um, our podcast, ourBrains for the Cure online
(22:49):
resource.
And, uh, we just launched a kindof content curator on that
website, um, so instead of goingto, you know, Dr.
Google out there and searchingbrain cancer, um, what you can
do and what patients andcaregivers can do is, is go to
brainsforthecure.
org, um, and then our newplatform is called Join Your
Path to Hope.
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It's in honor of, um, A motherthat was lost, uh, to, to brain
cancer and her initials are JPH.
And so, Join Your Path to Hopehas the same kind of initials.
Um, but really what the kind ofstory of that is that as they
were going through treatment,uh, her husband, you know, tried
anything and everything he couldbetween going to different
(23:31):
hospitals or different groupsand just trying to find
different aspects.
But, you know, You know, it washard to keep track of things.
Resources were just, you know,going everywhere, left and
right, and so what we did was,um, created a quick kind of
questionnaire where people canfill out and then they will get
resources for medical needs,emotional needs, and relational
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needs, uh, based on theirjourney and kind of where
they're at.
So the great thing is, is theycan retake it as their situation
may change, whether a patientgets a recurrence, um, whether
they want to explore clinicaltrials.
Um, to, you know, if there's Youknow, just that diagnosis.
How do you tell your children?
Um, so there's a lot ofdifferent topics on there.
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And so it just organizeseverything in one nice little
place.
Um, and so that again is onbrainsforthecure.
org.
Um, you know, we, we launchedthat back in May and it's been
incredible to see how manypeople we've been able to help
out.
Um, I kind of said, you know, Ireferenced that, like, I wish I
had something like that when Iwas going through it with my
mom.
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Um, so we just.
Hope that, you know, people canuse it, um, and, and use it at
the time that they need.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (24:43):
Okay, great.
And we'll make sure we get allthat information and put it in
our show notes and ourdescription so that people can
easily find those websites.
How and if someone wants to getinvolved and volunteer with Head
for the Cure, how do they dothat?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (24:58):
We have 25 events to volunteer at,
um, so if you want to go tohead4thecure.
org slash volunteer, uh, sign upnear the city near you.
Um, we are currently, um, aboutto launch our new 2025, um,
campaigns shortly.
So all of our events, um, willget up soon.
So If you guys want to help out,we desperately need help at our
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events.
You know, we have a small team,so our volunteers are absolutely
incredible.
We appreciate them so, so much.
So, if you're interested insupporting in that way, um, feel
free to do so.
We also have our ambassadorprogram, um, so if you're
involved in the brain tumorcommunity and want to Be a part
of Head for the Cure.
There's that avenue as well.
bindwaves-host662_1_10 (25:43):
Awesome.
Great.
Well, thank you so much,Courtney, for joining us today
and sharing more about Head forthe Cure and being a partner
with us and all that we do.
We really enjoy the Head for theCure
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (25:53):
Thank you so much.
It was, it was great speakingwith you.
Um, you know, BIND has been sucha great supporter of ours, you
know, over the years in NorthTexas.
So we're excited to kind ofexplore that partnership even
more and, and spread the news.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (26:08):
right.
Thank you.
And before we go, before we signoff, I'd like to remind all of
our listeners that you cancontact us.
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bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (00:10):
Hi, I'm Kerri, a stroke survivor and
a member of BIND, and todaywe're welcoming Courtney Watson,
who's the Director of Programsand
Developments for Head for the
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (00:18):
Cure.
So,
Welcome to BINDWAVES, theofficial podcast of the Brain
Injury Network of Dallas.
I'm Brian White, BIND'sExecutive Director.
On each episode, we'll beproviding insight into the brain
injury community.
We'll be talking to members andprofessionals regarding their
stories and the important roleof BIND's Clubhouse.
(00:39):
We work as a team to inspirehope, community, and a sense of
purpose to survivors,caregivers, and the public.
Thank you for tuning intoBINDWAVES.
BINDWAVES Let's get on with theshow.
courtney-watson_1_10-03- (00:51):
Hello, how are you?
Yeah.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (00:54):
You're doing well.
Um, so I guess just to get usstarted for all of our
listeners, so they have a betterunderstanding, can you tell us
What is Head for the Cure?
I mean, I mean, not like abasic, you know, general.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (01:08):
Yeah, yeah, Heads of the Cure is a
nonprofit organization.
We're based in Kansas City,Missouri, where we host
primarily our 5k roadwalksacross the country.
So we luckily have over 25events, uh, ranging from Seattle
to Orlando.
So really across the countrywhere we get to really celebrate
(01:28):
and honor the brain tumorcommunity, um, and we get to
share our resources, ourdifferent platforms throughout
the organization, um, and reallyjust bring everyone together.
Our community is incredible, andit's really an honor to be able
to be a part of it.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (01:46):
Okay, and it is more than just a 5k
run
courtney-watson_1_1 (01:49):
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yeah.
I actually always say thatwhenever I'm talking to anyone
about our events.
Um, I think the 5k part is kindof the last part of it.
Um, you know, our events aretruly different, I think, than
other organizations out there.
Um, we really, really strive toenhance The community bring
everyone in, um, we have variousvendors from the local
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community, um, that come out andare a part.
We have, um, you know, differentaspects in terms of programs for
the events.
So we get to honor differentcaregivers, um, and healthcare
heroes in that community, um,and also recognize the
incredible warriors, um, thatare going through a current
diagnosis, um, and really justcelebrate everyone as, as
(02:35):
they're going through thisfight.
Um, we know that, we just wanteveryone to know that they're
not alone through this.
Um, as you know, having a braintumor can be extremely
isolating.
Um, however, you know, HybridCare has various resources like
support groups, um, we have ourevents, um, and really just
online communities as well tobring everyone together.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (03:00):
That's great.
Um, I know I've done the Headfor the Cure.
We've had a booth the lastseveral years at the Head for
the Cure here in Plano inDallas, and like I said, we just
got to go to Houston this lastweekend.
So that was fun.
It was nice to see a differentvenue since I've always only
done the Dallas one.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah,
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03- (03:15):
very fun.
courtney-watson_1_10-03- (03:16):
having different, um, you know,
community members just like, uh,BIND come out to our events.
Our North Texas one's reallyspecial because we have, um, you
know, a few organizations thatwe, we have, um, that are part
of the brain tumor communityand, and everyone's so close
knit.
So it's really great bringingeveryone together.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (03:35):
And I know a lot of people don't
think of brain tumor necessarilyas part of the brain injury
community, but we consider Headfor the Cure part of our brain
injury community as well.
We have several members thathave had brain tumors of some
sort or another that havejoined.
We have a group here called GrayMatters that is a local support
group.
So, you
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, we love Grey Matters.
Um, uh, I think a great part ofour organization is that, um,
With our 5Ks, uh, we don't justhave the 5K and then, you know,
take the money, we, what we dois we really try to, again,
partner with local support, um,and so we are able to partner
(04:15):
with different, uh,organizations or academic
centers, different hospitals inall of our cities that we're in,
um, and a portion of the fundswill go back to whatever they're
working on, whether that'sclinical trials, research, um,
um, You know, the science stuffor, um, you know, like Gray
Matters is actually one of ourbeneficiary partners, um, and
we're able to support them as,you know, they have various
(04:38):
fees, uh, throughout the year orthrough their picnic, luncheons,
things like that.
So, um, you know, it's really anhonor to partner with
organizations like, like youguys and Gray Matters.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (04:50):
that's great.
Um, so when did Head for theCure actually get started?
How long has it been around?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-20 (04:56):
It's been around since 2003.
Um, our founder, Matt Anthony,he lost his brother to a
glioblastoma that year.
Um, they're a very active familyand so running, cycling was a
big part of everything.
Um, and they really just wantedto honor, um, Chris is, is his
name.
And they did a small 5K inKansas City where they're from.
(05:17):
And it was, you know, 300people.
It was, it was a great kind ofturnout.
Fast forward to 22 years later,21 years later, we just hosted
our Kansas City event in Augustand we have raised over$710,000
with over 6,000 participants.
(05:37):
So it's incredibly grown overthe years and obviously expanded
into different cities and that'show we have one in North Texas.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (05:48):
Right.
Well, how many different citiesdo y'all have runs
courtney-watson_1_10-03-202 (05:50):
Uh, right now we have about 25.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (05:54):
Okay.
That's pretty good.
So, how did you get involvedwith Head for the Cure?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (06:01):
So I actually found out about Head
for the Care, uh, when my momwas diagnosed with the
glioblastoma in 2016.
Uh, we went to a, uh,appointment that she had with
her neuro oncologist in thearea.
This is when I lived in KansasCity, and, uh, he had a poster
about a 5k event, and he said,you know, this is a great
organization, um, the events arekind of one of a kind, uh, it
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would be, you know, probably agood thing for you guys to
attend.
And so, uh, 2016, we, we haveour first team for the event,
uh, we brought family, friends,my mom was able to be there, um,
and we enjoyed the morning, uh,it was, it was really great to
see people that, you know, We'rein the same club.
Um, I kind of always say we'rein this club that we don't want
(06:45):
to be in, but we're making themost of it.
Um, and we were able to, youknow, connect with people and
different aspects of, of kind ofwhat we're going through as
people experience, uh, along thejourney.
And, uh, we've had a team eversince then.
Um, I luckily was able to join.
our event's team for Head forthe Cure in 2018 and really kind
(07:08):
of move into this, thisnonprofit world.
Uh, I'd always kind of, I thinkI wanted to work for a charity
organization in the realm ofcancer.
Uh, uh, growing up, um, youknow, I, I had loved ones past
that I was close with and,Having my mom pass of brain
cancer was extremely hard and itjust kind of gave me a purpose
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to look forward into.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-202 (07:34):
I can, I can relate to that.
So, um, curious, because, like,I'm the opposite, um, after my
stroke, I had to move in with myparents, who became my
caregiver, and that was adifficult relationship.
It changed a lot.
You know, we had to work outsome things, so I'm curious how
that worked for you, like, whatthe relationship was, how, if
that changed from motherdaughter, when you became a
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (07:55):
It did.
Um, I was in my early twentieswhen that happened.
Uh, I lived in Kansas City, butwith friends and the day that
she was actually taken to theICU and everything kind of
happened.
Um, that night I basically justmoved in back with my parents.
Um, I was You know, I think it'sthat incline that every person
goes through.
They're like, you just do it.
(08:16):
Uh, you just take care ofsomeone, you know, when they're
going through something likethis.
And that was kind of myinstinct.
And so I lived with, back withmy parents for, um, gosh, it was
probably a year and a half.
Um, heard, you know, She wasdiagnosed, and she passed about
nine months later, so her, um,journey was pretty short, um,
just because of how bad it waswhen they found it.
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Um, her cognitive abilities werevery, very low.
She needed a lot of assistancein terms of, you know, getting
around the house, getting up thestairs, showering, all of that.
Um, it kind of was that role, itkind of reversed a little bit.
I was Kind of the caretakeralong with my stepdad, my
brother, um, and she kind of hadthat, you know, child aspect,
(09:02):
um, because our cognition was solow, uh, of where the tumor was.
So, um, I kind of say I doubledmy age overnight.
Um, you know, you kind of expectto do something like that in
like your 40s, 50s as yourparents age, but not as a 22, 23
year old.
And, you know, I definitelychanged.
(09:22):
Um, you know, I think I matureda lot.
You, you realize that you can'tswap the small things in life,
um, and something like that is,is incredibly hard to go through
and being around that with yourother, your family members as
well.
You know, you lean on each otherfor support.
Um, we got, got a lot closerwith my brother and my stepdad,
uh, throughout the whole thing.
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And, um, you really just connectwith everyone even more because,
because you have to rely on eachother.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (09:52):
right?
I completely understand that,um, and that's where places,
again, like Gray Matters comesin, they provide that support
for the caregivers, because, youknow, Caregivers need a lot of
support.
We say in our, in our littleclubhouse, you know, that brain
injury, when it happens, andit's the same, I'm gonna guess,
with cancer, any of that kindof, it's the same.
When something traumatic likethat happens, it takes a
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village.
It's not just happening to theperson that is diagnosed.
It happens, the whole family isaffected, and that's That's what
I think a lot of people in justthe general community don't
really get or understand abouthow this works and that it's
really is an entire familyevent.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024_ (10:34):
I mean, we, we're kind of within
the foundation and we talk abouthow important caregivers are,
um, and that, you know, they sayusually it's, you know, so many
people are impacted by braincancer a year, but it's actually
probably triple that, uh, if nottriple, just because of, like
you said, the amount of familymembers, friends that it
requires to help.
(10:55):
Um, you know, there was, youknow, Myself, my brother, my
stepdad, my mom, you know, herfriends and family helped out.
So, um, just because, you know,with a brain injury or a brain
tumor, depending on where it is,each kind of millimeter or
centimeter matters, it's notlike other tumors where you can,
you know, maybe take out breasttissue or, you know, take out
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part of your liver.
You can't.
You can remove brain matter, butit's going to impact the person,
you know, pretty bad.
So she wasn't able to drive.
Um, we really kind of had tolike, take away her phone.
She, you know, cognitivelydidn't really use it.
Or if she would, she would geton Facebook and repost random
things.
Um, so again, kind of liketoddler like mentality.
(11:40):
Um, so yeah, it really does takea village and, you know, that's
why we're here with Head for theCure is really trying to, um,
have resources.
For caregivers and patientsgoing through this, um, there's
a lot of information out there,um, as I'm sure with brain
injuries as well, and so it canget very overwhelming really
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quick.
Um, stay away from Google, um,and so it's, it's just really
one of those things that thereisn't a lot of education out
there either, just because it'ssuch a rare type of cancer, um,
and a rare type of tumors.
Um, and so.
Whatever is out there that wepresent to our community as an
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organization, we want to makesure that, you know, it's able
to help people, um, and it'svetted by the doctors that we
partner with.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (12:31):
So, as you've been, you know, you're
immersed in the world now thatwe work with Head
for the Cure, not just
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03- (12:36):
your mother, but, so what would you
say is the most impactful factthat you've learned about brain
cancer that you would like ourlisteners to know?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (12:45):
Yeah, good question.
Um, definitely, I think that,you know, there's really only
like five FDA approvedtreatments and device for brain
cancer or brain tumors.
Um, whereas cancers like breastcancer or lung cancer, there's
way more treatment options.
Uh, there's a very, verylimited.
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Um, amount of approved ones thatpeople can go to and doctors can
prescribe just because the purefact that this disease is so
underfunded, meaning it's sounder researched, and then it
kind of just trickles down fromthere.
So, um, you know, whereasthere's new treatments for other
cancers, you know, every year,every five years, um, you know,
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one just got FDA approved abouta month ago.
The time before that wasprobably like 10, 15 years ago,
which is insane.
Um, so what we, you know, try todo as an organization is the
funds that come in.
Uh, we are able to say, youknow, 88 cents per dollar
donated goes directly toclinical trials, research, and
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patient and caregiver support.
Uh, we want to make sure thatthe money is put where we need
it.
And, um, you know, hopefully oneday we have a cure for this,
but, um, I would love to be outof a job one day.
Um, but you know, we, we knowthat that may not happen anytime
soon.
So really just being able towork with other organizations as
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well, um, and, and help fund thethings that are promising and
have more than five treatmentoptions.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (14:19):
Right.
What are maybe some of themisconceptions about brain
cancer?
courtney-watson_1_10-03- (14:24):
That's a great question.
So we kind of talked about alittle bit earlier, but with
brain cancer and brain tumors,there's over 120 different
types.
So realistically what that meansis that There's different cell
types for a lot of them, and sotreatments don't always work for
them.
And so that's kind of whythere's only so many treatment
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options.
Um, and you know, it's, it's notlike other cancers.
It can be very aggressive.
You know, my mom, for example,she We kind of noticed her
personality was changing alittle bit, um, in January of
2016, February ish.
And by the time they foundeverything in March, early
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March, the tumor had gone from,you know, her frontal lobe, kind
of on the left hand side, allthe way down and kind of back.
So it grows so fast for aglioblastoma, um, and is super
aggressive and, you know,unfortunately, grows really,
really fast.
Um And so a lot of people, oncethey get to that point, there's
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not a lot of options to go toright after that.
There's surgery, uh, chemo,pill, and radiation.
Um, and for my mom, at least, wehad to bump up some of it
because it was growing so fast.
So you may not get that withthat with other cancers.
Um, another misconception is,is, you know, The patient going
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through it, um, may not knowwhat's going on.
Um, and so the family has tohave a lot of, uh, assistance
and has to make a lot ofdecisions, whereas other cancer
types.
Usually the patient can do thatfor themselves and advocate for
themselves.
Um, you know, like I said, mymom, she kind of referred it
(16:13):
back to in kind of a toddlermindset.
And so, I mean, she's 50 yearsold.
We didn't have, she didn't havea will.
She didn't have anything likethat.
Um, and so as, you know, Herchildren, and with my, along
with my stepdad, you know, wehad to make some really tough
decisions, um, that most peoplereally ever wouldn't think of.
Um, so there's, like you said,there's a lot more, I think,
(16:36):
pressure and impact on thecaregivers, um, with, with brain
cancer and brain tumors than,you know, other cancers out
there.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (16:46):
I'm going to take a quick little
break and just remind ourlisteners to go ahead and click
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Click that share button.
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So, um, And now I have to lookat my notes again because that
always throws me off and I can'tremember where I was or what I
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wanted to say.
Um, so, we keep, like, usingthe, I want to make sure I
understand and that ourlisteners understand.
So, we're saying brain cancer,but we're also saying brain
tumor a lot.
Can you have a brain tumor andnot have brain cancer?
Or do the two go hand in
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (17:25):
Yeah, for your first question, yeah,
you're correct.
Um, so there are malignant andbenign brain tumors.
Um, there can be some peoplethat have, you know, a slow
growing brain tumor that is noncancerous and they can get it
removed and completely have anormal life.
Um, and it's just kind of ablip, you know, uh, in their, in
their timeline.
Um, you know, the, I think themain people hear about brain
(17:48):
cancers, um, but we do haveresources, um, and help for
both, uh, avenues.
You know, people that have braintumors still may have effects
from surgery that people withbrain cancer.
might have as well.
So if, you know, they havesurgery and maybe their physical
gait is different or theircognition is a little different
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post surgery, we do haveresources for that as well.
Because a lot of the timespeople with brain cancer
sometimes have those sameeffects.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (18:20):
Okay, um, now I, is there any other,
like, that you want to make surepeople know about?
brain cancer or what, what theHead for the Cure can do for
them.
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (18:38):
Yeah, so we like I said, we really
kind of So, um, you know, Ithink it's really important that
we pride ourselves on ourcommunity and how much of a
grassroots foundation we are.
Um, you know, every singledollar that comes in, whether
it's a$5 donation, a$100donation, you know, we really
do, um, use it to the best ofour ability and make sure that,
um, you know, things are goingtowards the proper resources
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and, you know, like I said,trials, clinical trials, all
that good stuff.
So, um.
You know, we've been able toluckily raise over$20 million
over the past 21 years.
So, um, a lot of those funds arebeing put towards, um, you know,
those important needs, like I,like I mentioned, but, um, you
know, really, it's just, wereally enjoy our community and
(19:24):
how personable it is, um, andhow kind of We make our events
different compared to otherorganizations or other, uh,
activations out there.
Um, yes, it's a tough thing forpeople to go through, but we
want to make sure that peopleare still able to enjoy their
morning, enjoy their day, feelconnected with people.
Um, You know, I love our NorthTexas event just because there's
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so many hugs and smiles.
Um, there's so many people,which is awesome.
So it's, it's those morningsthat I know people look forward
to every single year.
Um, you know, on staff, we'reable to experience that a lot
more, which is so impactful.
Um, but we knew, do know thatpeople, you know, are only able
to participate once a year.
And so we want to make that asmemorable as possible.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (20:09):
Okay, so and when you have the Head
for the Cure in Dallas, does themoney that's raised from that
walk stay in the Dallas area, ordoes a portion stay with the,
the whole non profit?
How does, I mean,
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (20:22):
Yeah, yeah.
So technically, a little bit ofboth.
Um, so a portion of the fundswill go, um, towards the work at
UT Southwestern, um, and theirresearch that they're doing with
brain tumors and brain cancer.
Um, some of it will also go tothe Gray Matter Support Group,
so whatever they need it,whether it's, um, for picnics,
luncheons, uh, you know, websitemaintenance, whatever they need.
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Um, and then another portion ofthat, you know, after
everything's all, allreconciled, uh, we'll go towards
our national initiatives.
So whether it's our programs,um, that we have called Brains
for the Cure, um, things likethat.
So it's, it's split updifferently across the board,
but yes, uh, the majority of theportion stays locally.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (21:04):
Okay, that's great.
And then, um, since you'rejoining us on our podcast, I
understand that Head for theCure has a podcast, too.
Can you share a little bit aboutthat so our listeners can try to
find
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (21:15):
We do! It is called The Rare Enough
Podcast.
Our incredible community andfundraising coordinator, DJ, is
actually a five year GBMsurvivor.
He is probably one of the mostpositive people I've ever met in
my life.
And he hosts our podcast.
So, uh, we release episodesmonthly, um, and just have
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guests that talk about reallyspecific topics and have those
conversations that you may nothear anywhere else.
Um, you know, the brain cancercommunity, uh, is small, but we
know people are impacted sodifferently across the board.
Um, and so, you know, hearingthese conversations with, uh,
patients or caregivers orindustry partners or doctors,
(21:57):
uh, kind of about what, what'sall going on in the world.
Um, you know, it's really great.
And we're able to, to share thatwith our community each month.
So, um, yeah, it's called theRare Enough Podcast.
It's on Apple, Spotify, whereveryou listen to your podcasts.
Um, and, uh, our next episode isreleased in a couple of weeks.
So on Wednesdays and each month,
bindwaves-host662_1_10 (22:19):
Awesome.
And then, do you know, I mean,what are their future plans for
Head for the Cure?
Like, where, where are y'allgoing?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024_ (22:26):
a lot of questions.
If you ask our founder, it's,uh, way more events.
And so we'll, we'll definitely,you know, always expand our high
runs every year.
Uh, we have a couple of newcities for next year that we're
excited to, to bring our eventsto.
Um, we've been growing ourresources a lot this year
between, um, our podcast, ourBrains for the Cure online
(22:49):
resource.
And, uh, we just launched a kindof content curator on that
website, um, so instead of goingto, you know, Dr.
Google out there and searchingbrain cancer, um, what you can
do and what patients andcaregivers can do is, is go to
brainsforthecure.
org, um, and then our newplatform is called Join Your
Path to Hope.
(23:09):
It's in honor of, um, A motherthat was lost, uh, to, to brain
cancer and her initials are JPH.
And so, Join Your Path to Hopehas the same kind of initials.
Um, but really what the kind ofstory of that is that as they
were going through treatment,uh, her husband, you know, tried
anything and everything he couldbetween going to different
(23:31):
hospitals or different groupsand just trying to find
different aspects.
But, you know, You know, it washard to keep track of things.
Resources were just, you know,going everywhere, left and
right, and so what we did was,um, created a quick kind of
questionnaire where people canfill out and then they will get
resources for medical needs,emotional needs, and relational
(23:54):
needs, uh, based on theirjourney and kind of where
they're at.
So the great thing is, is theycan retake it as their situation
may change, whether a patientgets a recurrence, um, whether
they want to explore clinicaltrials.
Um, to, you know, if there's Youknow, just that diagnosis.
How do you tell your children?
Um, so there's a lot ofdifferent topics on there.
(24:15):
And so it just organizeseverything in one nice little
place.
Um, and so that again is onbrainsforthecure.
org.
Um, you know, we, we launchedthat back in May and it's been
incredible to see how manypeople we've been able to help
out.
Um, I kind of said, you know, Ireferenced that, like, I wish I
had something like that when Iwas going through it with my
mom.
(24:35):
Um, so we just.
Hope that, you know, people canuse it, um, and, and use it at
the time that they need.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03 (24:43):
Okay, great.
And we'll make sure we get allthat information and put it in
our show notes and ourdescription so that people can
easily find those websites.
How and if someone wants to getinvolved and volunteer with Head
for the Cure, how do they dothat?
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2024 (24:58):
We have 25 events to volunteer at,
um, so if you want to go tohead4thecure.
org slash volunteer, uh, sign upnear the city near you.
Um, we are currently, um, aboutto launch our new 2025, um,
campaigns shortly.
So all of our events, um, willget up soon.
So If you guys want to help out,we desperately need help at our
(25:21):
events.
You know, we have a small team,so our volunteers are absolutely
incredible.
We appreciate them so, so much.
So, if you're interested insupporting in that way, um, feel
free to do so.
We also have our ambassadorprogram, um, so if you're
involved in the brain tumorcommunity and want to Be a part
of Head for the Cure.
There's that avenue as well.
bindwaves-host662_1_10 (25:43):
Awesome.
Great.
Well, thank you so much,Courtney, for joining us today
and sharing more about Head forthe Cure and being a partner
with us and all that we do.
We really enjoy the Head for theCure
courtney-watson_1_10-03-2 (25:53):
Thank you so much.
It was, it was great speakingwith you.
Um, you know, BIND has been sucha great supporter of ours, you
know, over the years in NorthTexas.
So we're excited to kind ofexplore that partnership even
more and, and spread the news.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-0 (26:08):
right.
Thank you.
And before we go, before we signoff, I'd like to remind all of
our listeners that you cancontact us.
at
bindwaves@thebind.Org.
Follow
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That's hard to say.
And visit the
website, um,thebind.org/bindwaves.
bindwaves-host662_1_10-03-2 (26:28):
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We support brain injurysurvivors as they reconnect into
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