October 23, 2025 • 28 mins
”The new normal can offer you different opportunities, but you may find great satisfaction through those opportunities.” I have both visible and invisible wounds from my brian injury; how do I achieve my new normal? Join us as we talk with Dr. Leigh Richardson from the Brian Performance Center on how we can use certain methods and techniques, as well our community, to realize our new normal. The brain is our biggest asset and Dr. Richardson explains why that is ”still so” for those of us who traverse this journey of recovery.
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Leigh Richardson (00:00):
So get a new normal.
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And the new normal can offer youdifferent opportunities, but you
may find great satisfactionthrough those opportunities.
Don't stop trying.
Bernard (00:25):
Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own
and do not necessarily representthe views of the hosts bindwaves
or the Brain Injury Network.
This podcast is forinformational purposes only, and
it's not a substitute forprofessional medical advice, the
diagnosis or treatment.
Always seek the advice of ahealthcare provider with any
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questions you may have regardinga medical condition.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thank you.
bindwaves Cohost (00:52):
I'm Carrie Hi.
A stroke survivor and a memberof BIND.
And I'm Brittany.
Uh, I'm a brain injury survivorand a member of BIND.
Um, today guest is Dr.
Leigh Richardson.
Dr.
Leigh, Dr.
Leigh Richardson is passionateabout helping people improve
their brain health, buildresilience and reached her full
potential.
(01:13):
She blends psychology businesscoaching CBT and neuroscience to
create real lasting change.
Welcome.
Leigh Richardson (01:25):
Thank you, Brittany.
I can't tell you what a pleasureand a joy it is to be doing this
podcast with you becauseBrittany, we've been through
that traumatic brain injurytogether
bindwaves Cohost (01:35):
definitely.
Leigh Richardson (01:36):
it, and it's great to see you behind the mic.
bindwaves Cohost (01:41):
Yeah, it is.
Um, you definitely helped me andit's still a journey that I'm
going through too.
Um,
Leigh Richardson (01:48):
Well, it is,
bindwaves Cohost (01:49):
yeah.
So today about the invisiblewounds of traumatic brain
injury.
Um, Leigh, it's been a whilesince we had you on the podcast.
Um, what's new with you and TheBrain Performance Center?
Leigh Richardson (02:02):
Well, The Brain Performance Center, you
know, we're, we're still focusedon brain health, but we've
broadened the way that we lookat and we think about brain
health.
We th we have started to thinkabout it as brain capital
because your brain is the singlebiggest asset that you have.
bindwaves Cohost (02:21):
Yeah.
Um, so a little backgroundstory, um, with me and Leigh.
So I went to Brain PerformanceCenter for, um, neurofeedback
training after my car wreck.
Um, originally I went long timeago for migraines and then after
my car wreck I went to Leigh'cause I knew it was the best
decision and she helped me withbrain retraining.
(02:43):
So, um hmm.
So your services, um, are forpeople with acquired brain
injuries too.
Leigh Richardson (02:53):
It's, I mean, we service people with brain
injuries, anxiety, depression,OCD, autism, A DHD.
But the thing that makes itinteresting about a brain
injury, it's not like you have abroken arm.
Or you have a visible scar, thattraumatic brain injury doesn't
leave external sick signs.
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And with you it did, but itdoesn't with everybody.
And but where you feel thoseeffects is internally, and those
are the invisible wounds and theanxiety, the depressed.
And a lot of times I've hadpeople say, you know.
They look just fine.
I don't understand what they'restruggling with, and they will
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dismiss it.
And that's not the right answerbecause you know, when you think
about a traumatic brain injury,anytime you fall or you're in a
car accident or a sports injury,or a combat related, so you're
gonna, you're gonna enter thebrain and you're gonna change
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the way it's wiring and firing.
And that's gonna result incognitive, emotional, and
psychological changes.
bindwaves Cohost (04:06):
Which is really hard on people,
especially when it's anindividual invisible brain
injury.
Like with mine, some people lookat me like you don't have a
brain injury, but oh, there'sare so many challenges that are
going on inside my head.
Some things are not connecting,or if I get overwhelmed my brain
just shuts down automatically,it's kind of hard and
challenging.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (04:26):
Well it is, and people, what we need to stop
and think about is how the brainis affected.
And what's happens in a, in thebrain is that the injury affects
multiple brain regions.
It's not just the point wherethe head was hit, certainly
impacts that free prefrontalcortex, how you make decisions,
how you control those impulses,and a lot of times that can
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cause a lot of mood swings orimpulsivity.
And then you've got the limbicsystem, and that's the emotional
regulation.
If you're more irritable, ifyou're anxious, if you're
emotionally reactive, that'sbecause that limbic system was
impacted and.
Memory.
(05:11):
When I say the word memory, Iautomatically think of the
hippocampus because it's, whenyou've had a brain injury, it's
hard to retain new information.
And then you've got thoseneurotransmitters.
So those are the chemicalchanges and the serotonin and
the dopamine.
And once those chemicals getoutta balance, you're much more
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at risk for depression andanxiety.
bindwaves Cohost (05:35):
Yeah, and you
Leigh Richardson (05:36):
Okay.
bindwaves Cohost (05:36):
something I get that I think is something
that I've noticed.
In me some, but in a, in a lotof different brain injuries that
you wonder like, did yourpersonality change or was that
part of your personality before?
And because of the brain injury,maybe it's just enhanced it a
little bit different way.
Like, like you're talking aboutkind of that anger, maybe that
anxiety, maybe you were always alittle anxious, but then after
(05:58):
the brain injury, it's enhancedsomething in that area where now
maybe you are angered a littlebit quicker or a little more
anxious than you used to be.
Is that part of that?
Leigh Richardson (06:09):
Well, statistically, 50% of the people
with a traumatic brain injurywill experience anxiety,
depression, or both.
And what happens is then theystart to withdraw.
They socially isolate and it's,it's emotionally exhausting
when, when.
Don't know how to, am Idepressed?
(06:30):
Am I anxious?
Am I frustrated?
It's hard to focus.
It's you're, just because youlook okay doesn't mean that that
brain is working, okay, and thatimpacts the biggest thing that
I've seen is it impactsmotivation.
Brittany, I know you lostmotivation.
bindwaves Cohost (06:51):
And I kind of fell off of that again too,
losing motivation.
'cause it's hard, it'sfrustrating, like when your
brain doesn't work and you don'tknow what to do, and then your
emotions from brain injury, likeyou ask, has your personality
changed?
Sometimes I'm over emotional andso I'll have like many mental
breakdowns.
And it's because it's like,okay, and the thing I can't run
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from is my mind, my brain isstill right there, so I can't
run from it like a broken arm orsomething, or well, I can't, you
know, run with broken armeither, but it's still my body.
But it's mainly not likephysically hurt, but it's like
mentally, emotionallypsychology, like hurt in your
mind.
So it does change and it doesget hard.
(07:31):
It's really hard.
Leigh Richardson (07:33):
Well in those invisible struggles, that can be
brain fog, that can be memoryloss, it can be trouble
focusing.
You mentioned mood swings,frustration, and I've had people
say they just, they feel numb.
They just feel emotionally numb.
So, and sometimes has it everimpacted your sleep or your
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fatigue
bindwaves Cohost (07:56):
Yes.
Yes.
Leigh Richardson (07:59):
and fatigue and you know, headaches.
And if, you know, if you havesomebody in your home that's had
a traumatic brain injury and yousee them, you know, they're
forgetful or they're irritable,don't think, well, they're just
lazy.
Um, or moody, it could actuallybe a result of the traumatic
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brain injury.
bindwaves Cohost (08:22):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
Which is kinda, um.
Hard because then if you,'causeright now I'm dealing with
memory issues, so it'sfrustrating.
So I get frustrated and then mymom, she does like, look at me
like, why are you so frustrated?
Like, calm down.
It's like, I can't,'cause, youknow, I need to remember this.
Like, why can't I function?
(08:44):
Right.
So it's, it's a journeyemotionally.
Leigh Richardson (08:49):
It is.
And Brittany, I would love tohave you come by the office.
We, one of the things that we dohave that's new is that we've
gotten certification in theKennedy method, and it's
something that I can show youthat you can do on your own and
it will help your processing.
You're processing speed and alot of memory is you have to
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process what's going on.
So, and that's a, a, a realinvitation.
Please, I'd love to, to have youcome by and show you how to do
that.
bindwaves Cohost (09:20):
yeah.
Leigh Richardson (09:20):
And even if you, I'd love to share that
because it's something that youcan do on your own to improve
that brain fog, thatconcentration and how the brain
processes.
bindwaves Cohost (09:33):
Yeah, I would love to, especially anything to
improve you in quality of life.
Just little improvements eachday.
So I definitely would love to.
Leigh Richardson (09:42):
Well, you know what to do.
Call the o, call the office.
yeah.
But so, you know, that's just anexample of there, there are
things that, that can be done tosupport the, the treatment, but
at the same time, there are alot of barriers around it
because when I've heard familiessay, you know, there's, there's,
(10:04):
there's a stigma.
They'll, and they'll say, well.
She looks fine.
He looks fine.
He can drive his car, so youknow, he must just be stressed
out or she must just be lazy.
No.
That is not the case.
That's just a, the brain isworking differently and a lot of
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times, you know, there's amisdiagnosis with a brain
injury, especially if the injuryis mild.
That and the symptoms can bemisread or overlooked and then
think, I Thank goodness for BINDand what it gives to people,
because many people suffer insilence.
(10:45):
They don't get the rightsupport.
And with BIND, they get, theyget support on so many different
levels, so
bindwaves Cohost (10:54):
Well, we
Leigh Richardson (10:54):
and
bindwaves Cohost (10:55):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Leigh Richardson (10:57):
no.
bindwaves Cohost (10:57):
story because, um, my brain injury went on
like.
unnoticed for seven months,which, you know, with a brain
injury, you wanna get treated inthe first 12 months.
So seven months on a braininjury, not knowing it in
silence.
And so after that, I went toLeigh and then she told me about
mine.
So BIND really has helped me, asyou can see,'cause I'm up here
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on a mic and talking.
Leigh Richardson (11:23):
Well, and the neurofeedback that we did,
there's biofeedback, there's,you know, some CBT, and that's
just cognitive behavioraltherapy.
Negative thoughts createnegative behavior that creates
negative feelings
bindwaves Cohost (11:40):
that's so true.
Leigh Richardson (11:40):
And.
You have to, instead of lookingfor the barriers, look for
solutions.
And my son was in a, a caraccident when he was in second
grade.
He and he, this was a long timeago, but he, by the time he got
into fifth grade, I came homeand he said, mom.
(12:02):
My brain is broke and back then,this is like in 2003, he had
gotten on the internet and doneresearch.
Well, back then, it's not coolwhen a fifth grader gets on the
internet all by himself.
Now it now's different,
bindwaves Cohost (12:17):
Right.
Leigh Richardson (12:18):
it's, you know, we have to really.
And I was so thankful that hedid his research.
He is the one that said, I needhelp.
And because we can, the peoplethat have had a brain injury,
they're a survivor and we've gotto frame recovery as Brittany, I
think you said it, it's ajourney.
bindwaves Cohost (12:39):
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (12:40):
not about, oh, just, I just wanna hit the
normal button and go back to theprevious norm.
And you have to be intentionalabout it.
bindwaves Cohost (12:50):
Yeah.
Because unfortunately there,that normal button is not the
same anymore.
Mm-hmm.
But I, I wanna go back a littlebit, Leigh, you mentioned, um, I
mean, we all know that there'sthe internal struggles after
brain injury.
How do we get others, like ourcaregivers or just friends in
general to help.
Help them understand andrecognize those internal
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struggles that while they maynot see it outwardly, how do we
engage them more so they canunderstand those?
Does that make sense?
Leigh Richardson (13:20):
It makes total sense?
and I think that what caregiversstruggle with is What.
they want is they want to buildcognitive and functional
independence for people, butthey don't know how they, and
it's, it's hard to figure out,and one of the first pieces of
advice that I give is let peopledo things at their own pace.
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It doesn't matter, you know, sheused to, could do that in seven
minutes.
It takes her an hour.
Now well let her do it at herown pace.
Let her feel confident about herability to do it and the, you
know, then.
Don't treat people with braininjuries as they can't make
(14:08):
choices because they can.
I mean, you can fosterindependence with a safety net,
so give'em a choice.
You know, you really need to goup and do you need to do your
walking?
So do you wanna do it before orafter lunch?
bindwaves Cohost (14:24):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (14:25):
You know, and, and create a structured
environment.
Maintain predictability andcontrol because when you, when I
don't know what I need to do orhow to do it, first thing that
happens, I get all stressed out.
So for caregivers, if they cancreate an environment where it
is structured, where they're,they do have some control where
(14:47):
they help break the task downinto small steps and just make
it easier.
And there's nothing wrong withusing checklists and visual cues
and alarms and memory tools.
All the tools that.
They're out there now.
(15:09):
Help.
Help them learn how to use thosetools.
bindwaves Cohost (15:13):
Yeah, so, um, especially like calendars on the
back of your garage door goingoutside because that's what I
had to get.
Calendars like, when's mydoctor's appointment?
this is where I need to go.
Oh, podcast on Thursday, go toPlano.
So that actually helped me outto realize and, you know, find a
(15:33):
rhythm to get back into arhythm.
Not my normal rhythm, but a newone, so.
Leigh Richardson (15:39):
Well, and I think a morning check-in is good
because it reorients and it setsthe tone for the day.
You ready for the day?
You know where you, you knowwhat you have to do.
You got everything you need.
Okay.
bindwaves Cohost (15:54):
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (15:54):
And I think also, Brittany, do you ever use
quiet time?
As a way to help manageoverstimulation.
bindwaves Cohost (16:02):
Um, I try, but then my brain is not nice to me.
My brain will just randomlystart buzzing because I'm, I
guess, overstimulated, which mybrain is weird.
Like, I'll wake up in themorning and start buzzing, and
then I'll go wash my hands andstart buzzing.
Then I'll start writing to startbuzzing.
But I do try to do quiet time.
Be myself somewhere alone in adark room.
(16:25):
But then, you know, my weaknessis arts and crafts, so that
helps me.
Mm-hmm.
Leigh Richardson (16:31):
I think it's great because you get a lot of
satisfaction from that.
bindwaves Cohost (16:36):
Yeah.
And that is a quiet thing,activity to do.
So it helps you be quiet whileyou're doing it.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (16:42):
So, Brittany.
bindwaves Cohost (16:43):
easy.
Leigh Richardson (16:43):
Brittany, do you have any affirmations that
you use?
bindwaves Cohost (16:47):
Um.
Watch your fingers.
No, I'm just kidding.
But no, um, not really.
Like sometimes like, okay, youcan do this.
Um, you got this, or what I liketo say now on a podcast, like,
oh, my life is ruined.
No, it's not.
You just have to reimagine yourlife,
Leigh Richardson (17:07):
That's a great affirmation.
And when you say that, doesn'tthat give you a little bit of a
boost emotionally?
bindwaves Cohost (17:15):
Yeah, it's like kind of, okay, I didn't go
down this path, that path isclosed'cause of construction.
I just have to find a new routeto do the things I need to do.
It might not be the same, itmight not lead me to that place,
but it might lead me to newamazing things.
But it's, I'm still here and I'mstill gonna work for it.
So, yeah.
Leigh Richardson (17:35):
I think that's a great attitude, and I think
just the fact that what you'redoing with the podcast, you're
educating families and friends,you're, you know what, what I
have found caregiver burnout andmisunderstandings, those are so
common.
bindwaves Cohost (17:55):
Yeah, very common, especially like the
being a brain injury survivor.
When the caregiver has like aburnout, it's kind of like.
Okay.
I don't wanna mess with them,or, oh, I feel bad'cause they're
burned out because of me.
And it's kinda like you can'task for help because you're
like, oh no, I'm just gonnastress'em out more.
Or they don't understand it.
(18:15):
Like they don't get it.
It's like something new to themtoo.
It's like, oh, person has abrain injury.
Here you go.
And then they have to learneverything.
They have to do everything.
They have to adapt toeverything.
Help you adapt to everything,which you don't know.
And that gets frustrating too,with kind of no support if the
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caregiver gets burned out.
So.
Leigh Richardson (18:40):
And you know, it's.
And one of the things thatcommunication, it's learning how
to communicate and normalizingthose emotional responses.
And instead of a caregiversaying, well, you know, it could
have been worse.
bindwaves Cohost (18:58):
Oh
Leigh Richardson (18:59):
Another, another way to say that is, you
know, it makes sense that youfeel the way that you do given
what you've been through.
So think of words and it's howyou use your language.
And that's hard because whenyou're in that caregiving
moment, you're in a reactivemode.
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They want, they want the bestfor you.
And when they're not, you know,they, they feel like they can't
give you the best that makesthem feel bad.
So it, it's normalizing.
This is the way it is today.
And having your affirmations.
I think everybody should have anaffirmation when, I guess it was
(19:42):
six years ago and the tornadothat came through Dallas totally
destroyed my office.
Everything in it and my, yeah.
my affirmation and it's, it'sstill the one I use today is I
will come back bigger and betterand stronger and I can remember
(20:02):
standing out in my backyardscreaming that affirmation.
bindwaves Cohost (20:07):
That's good.
Yeah.
I think probably the biggest onewe have here at BIND that we
encourage all of our survivorsto say is.
You don't ever say, I can't dothat, or I can't do X, it's, I
can't do that yet.
Always end it with the word yetbecause we're gonna get there.
We may not, you know, it doesn'tmean I may not be able to do it
today, but I can do it tomorrow.
(20:28):
I mean, that's like, you know,we talk, talking about Brittany.
Brittany never had a braininjury and said, I'm gonna have
a brain injury and I'm gonna gobe on a podcast.
Well, I didn't either, but youknow, but hey, here we are.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, I think and I knowyou're talking about caregivers
and I say this to lot, but youknow, no one thinks about that,
that the brain injury isn't justfor the survivor.
(20:48):
It, it affects the whole entirefamily.
I know my, my parents and I hadto sit down and reset new
boundaries because it was kindof more like, okay, I've had a
brain injury.
That doesn't mean I'm yourfive-year-old child that, that
you used to take care of.
I don't need that.
I don't need that.
Hovering that constant, what doyou need?
(21:08):
What do you want?
What can I do?
I need you to still treat melike the38-year-old woman,
independent woman that I am, andthat I was two weeks ago before
this happened, or a month ago,whatever, you know, treat me
like that same person.
Now if you see me something,maybe doing something dangerous
because I did have, I did haveimpulsivity.
Mm-hmm.
Leigh Richardson (21:28):
Yeah.
bindwaves Cohost (21:28):
me trying to climb the counters with my half
Leigh Richardson (21:31):
Okay.
bindwaves Cohost (21:31):
self, maybe correct me there.
But yeah, so it is, I meanthat's a lot I think that we
don't think about, um.
To work that we need to work onwith caregivers.
They kind of get left out andjust try to figure things out
and pick up the pieces on thego.
So.
Leigh Richardson (21:49):
And that's so hard, and it's, you know, they
don't know what to do.
They don't know how to help.
And one of the things, piecesof, of a advice that I offer is
be consistent as a caregiver.
Be consistent with what you tryto do, whether that's support,
social reconnection, um, getthem involved in a community,
(22:13):
get them involved in BIND,
bindwaves Cohost (22:14):
Mm-hmm.
Leigh Richardson (22:15):
the, but whether it's everybody needs a
community to grow within and togrow from, and BIND is a perfect
example.
A religious, uh, whether it'schurch or, um, you know, any
type of religious structure thatprovides the opportunity.
And I know you guys do a lot ofdifferent things with, with
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social interactions.
And Brittany, I'm surprised youdon't have craft groups go in
there every day.
bindwaves Cohost (22:45):
Oh, I try, but I think Rummikube beats us out
in Fort Worth.
Leigh Richardson (22:50):
Oh, okay.
I think that, you know, one ofthe things that, the key
takeaways I always tell peopleis understand the effects of a
traumatic brain injury.
It is a survivor and they mayexperience memory loss.
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They may experience fatigue,emotional dysregulation, mood
swings up down.
Certainly difficultyconcentrating and as was
mentioned earlier, you may seesome changes in in personality
or behavior and you have to, youhave to, as caregivers, we have
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to learn to and to take that, toview that with empathy rather
than frustration.
bindwaves Cohost (23:44):
Yeah.
Um, so I know a little thing totouch off on.
I know a lot of us getoverstimulated and overwhelmed
in different environments, so doyou have any, um, techniques to
avoid getting overwhelmed inoverstimulated environments such
as party sports event and noisyenvironments?
Leigh Richardson (24:04):
Well take a brain break, and that's exactly
what the way to think of it is.
Take a brain break, hit thepause button, just step back.
And sit down, or if you need tostand up, but get comfortable
and stop and just focus on yourbreathing because if you change
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your breath rate, you'll changeyour heart rate.
And when we get overstimulated,you ever feel like your heart's
beating a lot faster and a lotharder?
And the best way to slow thatdown.
Is to slow that breath rightdown
bindwaves Cohost (24:47):
That's true.
That's, I mean, and you don't, Imean, you don't need any special
equipment for that.
Leigh Richardson (24:53):
and, and matter of fact, you have to do
it.
You have to.
You have to breathe.
So when you feel that, Brittany,do you ever feel that
overstimulation coming on?
bindwaves Cohost (25:05):
Um, sometimes I don't, and sometimes I do, but
when I don't, it hits reallyfast and like by the time I
realize I'm overstimulated, I'mlike in that little pickle in
that moment.
Leigh Richardson (25:20):
And the best thing to do is just breathe into
it.
bindwaves Cohost (25:25):
Mm.
Leigh Richardson (25:25):
Literally breathe into it.
bindwaves Cohost (25:28):
So don't fight it.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (25:30):
Don't.
No, because if you just, onceyou start the fight, then ooh,
if you start the rollercoaster
bindwaves Cohost (25:36):
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (25:37):
flight, freeze, fight, flight, freeze.
bindwaves Cohost (25:39):
thought about that.
Yeah.
Especially my aphasia comes outtoo when I fight it, so.
Oh, hadn't thought about that.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
um, what's one thing that youwould like brain injury
survivors to learn from yourresearch?
From the Brain PerformanceCenter?
Leigh Richardson (25:58):
That you can do something about it.
You abso, I'm not saying you'regonna get your normal back.
I mean, things have, think aboutthe normal that we had before
the pandemic.
bindwaves Cohost (26:08):
Right.
Leigh Richardson (26:09):
haven't gotten that back.
bindwaves Cohost (26:10):
no.
Leigh Richardson (26:11):
And how many years has it been?
So get a new normal.
And the new normal can offer youdifferent opportunities, but you
may find great satisfactionthrough those opportunities.
Don't stop trying.
bindwaves Cohost (26:29):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, um, thank you for joiningus, Leigh, and thank you for all
of those listening.
Leigh Richardson (26:37):
Well thank you and I hope you'll take me up on
my offer
bindwaves Cohost (26:40):
definitely I will.
Anything to improve my life.
Leigh Richardson (26:44):
and it's something that You can, share
with some of your, yourcolleagues at at BIND.
bindwaves Cohost (26:49):
You can bring it back.
You can teach us a little class.
We'll let you do that instead ofarts and crafts.
Yeah.
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Thank you so much, ladies, for having me.
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Thank you.
bindwaves Cohost (00:52):
I'm Carrie Hi.
A stroke survivor and a memberof BIND.
And I'm Brittany.
Uh, I'm a brain injury survivorand a member of BIND.
Um, today guest is Dr.
Leigh Richardson.
Dr.
Leigh, Dr.
Leigh Richardson is passionateabout helping people improve
their brain health, buildresilience and reached her full
potential.
(01:13):
She blends psychology businesscoaching CBT and neuroscience to
create real lasting change.
Welcome.
Leigh Richardson (01:25):
Thank you, Brittany.
I can't tell you what a pleasureand a joy it is to be doing this
podcast with you becauseBrittany, we've been through
that traumatic brain injurytogether
bindwaves Cohost (01:35):
definitely.
Leigh Richardson (01:36):
it, and it's great to see you behind the mic.
bindwaves Cohost (01:41):
Yeah, it is.
Um, you definitely helped me andit's still a journey that I'm
going through too.
Um,
Leigh Richardson (01:48):
Well, it is,
bindwaves Cohost (01:49):
yeah.
So today about the invisiblewounds of traumatic brain
injury.
Um, Leigh, it's been a whilesince we had you on the podcast.
Um, what's new with you and TheBrain Performance Center?
Leigh Richardson (02:02):
Well, The Brain Performance Center, you
know, we're, we're still focusedon brain health, but we've
broadened the way that we lookat and we think about brain
health.
We th we have started to thinkabout it as brain capital
because your brain is the singlebiggest asset that you have.
bindwaves Cohost (02:21):
Yeah.
Um, so a little backgroundstory, um, with me and Leigh.
So I went to Brain PerformanceCenter for, um, neurofeedback
training after my car wreck.
Um, originally I went long timeago for migraines and then after
my car wreck I went to Leigh'cause I knew it was the best
decision and she helped me withbrain retraining.
(02:43):
So, um hmm.
So your services, um, are forpeople with acquired brain
injuries too.
Leigh Richardson (02:53):
It's, I mean, we service people with brain
injuries, anxiety, depression,OCD, autism, A DHD.
But the thing that makes itinteresting about a brain
injury, it's not like you have abroken arm.
Or you have a visible scar, thattraumatic brain injury doesn't
leave external sick signs.
(03:15):
And with you it did, but itdoesn't with everybody.
And but where you feel thoseeffects is internally, and those
are the invisible wounds and theanxiety, the depressed.
And a lot of times I've hadpeople say, you know.
They look just fine.
I don't understand what they'restruggling with, and they will
(03:35):
dismiss it.
And that's not the right answerbecause you know, when you think
about a traumatic brain injury,anytime you fall or you're in a
car accident or a sports injury,or a combat related, so you're
gonna, you're gonna enter thebrain and you're gonna change
(03:55):
the way it's wiring and firing.
And that's gonna result incognitive, emotional, and
psychological changes.
bindwaves Cohost (04:06):
Which is really hard on people,
especially when it's anindividual invisible brain
injury.
Like with mine, some people lookat me like you don't have a
brain injury, but oh, there'sare so many challenges that are
going on inside my head.
Some things are not connecting,or if I get overwhelmed my brain
just shuts down automatically,it's kind of hard and
challenging.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (04:26):
Well it is, and people, what we need to stop
and think about is how the brainis affected.
And what's happens in a, in thebrain is that the injury affects
multiple brain regions.
It's not just the point wherethe head was hit, certainly
impacts that free prefrontalcortex, how you make decisions,
how you control those impulses,and a lot of times that can
(04:51):
cause a lot of mood swings orimpulsivity.
And then you've got the limbicsystem, and that's the emotional
regulation.
If you're more irritable, ifyou're anxious, if you're
emotionally reactive, that'sbecause that limbic system was
impacted and.
Memory.
(05:11):
When I say the word memory, Iautomatically think of the
hippocampus because it's, whenyou've had a brain injury, it's
hard to retain new information.
And then you've got thoseneurotransmitters.
So those are the chemicalchanges and the serotonin and
the dopamine.
And once those chemicals getoutta balance, you're much more
(05:32):
at risk for depression andanxiety.
bindwaves Cohost (05:35):
Yeah, and you
Leigh Richardson (05:36):
Okay.
bindwaves Cohost (05:36):
something I get that I think is something
that I've noticed.
In me some, but in a, in a lotof different brain injuries that
you wonder like, did yourpersonality change or was that
part of your personality before?
And because of the brain injury,maybe it's just enhanced it a
little bit different way.
Like, like you're talking aboutkind of that anger, maybe that
anxiety, maybe you were always alittle anxious, but then after
(05:58):
the brain injury, it's enhancedsomething in that area where now
maybe you are angered a littlebit quicker or a little more
anxious than you used to be.
Is that part of that?
Leigh Richardson (06:09):
Well, statistically, 50% of the people
with a traumatic brain injurywill experience anxiety,
depression, or both.
And what happens is then theystart to withdraw.
They socially isolate and it's,it's emotionally exhausting
when, when.
Don't know how to, am Idepressed?
(06:30):
Am I anxious?
Am I frustrated?
It's hard to focus.
It's you're, just because youlook okay doesn't mean that that
brain is working, okay, and thatimpacts the biggest thing that
I've seen is it impactsmotivation.
Brittany, I know you lostmotivation.
bindwaves Cohost (06:51):
And I kind of fell off of that again too,
losing motivation.
'cause it's hard, it'sfrustrating, like when your
brain doesn't work and you don'tknow what to do, and then your
emotions from brain injury, likeyou ask, has your personality
changed?
Sometimes I'm over emotional andso I'll have like many mental
breakdowns.
And it's because it's like,okay, and the thing I can't run
(07:11):
from is my mind, my brain isstill right there, so I can't
run from it like a broken arm orsomething, or well, I can't, you
know, run with broken armeither, but it's still my body.
But it's mainly not likephysically hurt, but it's like
mentally, emotionallypsychology, like hurt in your
mind.
So it does change and it doesget hard.
(07:31):
It's really hard.
Leigh Richardson (07:33):
Well in those invisible struggles, that can be
brain fog, that can be memoryloss, it can be trouble
focusing.
You mentioned mood swings,frustration, and I've had people
say they just, they feel numb.
They just feel emotionally numb.
So, and sometimes has it everimpacted your sleep or your
(07:55):
fatigue
bindwaves Cohost (07:56):
Yes.
Yes.
Leigh Richardson (07:59):
and fatigue and you know, headaches.
And if, you know, if you havesomebody in your home that's had
a traumatic brain injury and yousee them, you know, they're
forgetful or they're irritable,don't think, well, they're just
lazy.
Um, or moody, it could actuallybe a result of the traumatic
(08:21):
brain injury.
bindwaves Cohost (08:22):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
Which is kinda, um.
Hard because then if you,'causeright now I'm dealing with
memory issues, so it'sfrustrating.
So I get frustrated and then mymom, she does like, look at me
like, why are you so frustrated?
Like, calm down.
It's like, I can't,'cause, youknow, I need to remember this.
Like, why can't I function?
(08:44):
Right.
So it's, it's a journeyemotionally.
Leigh Richardson (08:49):
It is.
And Brittany, I would love tohave you come by the office.
We, one of the things that we dohave that's new is that we've
gotten certification in theKennedy method, and it's
something that I can show youthat you can do on your own and
it will help your processing.
You're processing speed and alot of memory is you have to
(09:10):
process what's going on.
So, and that's a, a, a realinvitation.
Please, I'd love to, to have youcome by and show you how to do
that.
bindwaves Cohost (09:20):
yeah.
Leigh Richardson (09:20):
And even if you, I'd love to share that
because it's something that youcan do on your own to improve
that brain fog, thatconcentration and how the brain
processes.
bindwaves Cohost (09:33):
Yeah, I would love to, especially anything to
improve you in quality of life.
Just little improvements eachday.
So I definitely would love to.
Leigh Richardson (09:42):
Well, you know what to do.
Call the o, call the office.
yeah.
But so, you know, that's just anexample of there, there are
things that, that can be done tosupport the, the treatment, but
at the same time, there are alot of barriers around it
because when I've heard familiessay, you know, there's, there's,
(10:04):
there's a stigma.
They'll, and they'll say, well.
She looks fine.
He looks fine.
He can drive his car, so youknow, he must just be stressed
out or she must just be lazy.
No.
That is not the case.
That's just a, the brain isworking differently and a lot of
(10:25):
times, you know, there's amisdiagnosis with a brain
injury, especially if the injuryis mild.
That and the symptoms can bemisread or overlooked and then
think, I Thank goodness for BINDand what it gives to people,
because many people suffer insilence.
(10:45):
They don't get the rightsupport.
And with BIND, they get, theyget support on so many different
levels, so
bindwaves Cohost (10:54):
Well, we
Leigh Richardson (10:54):
and
bindwaves Cohost (10:55):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Leigh Richardson (10:57):
no.
bindwaves Cohost (10:57):
story because, um, my brain injury went on
like.
unnoticed for seven months,which, you know, with a brain
injury, you wanna get treated inthe first 12 months.
So seven months on a braininjury, not knowing it in
silence.
And so after that, I went toLeigh and then she told me about
mine.
So BIND really has helped me, asyou can see,'cause I'm up here
(11:19):
on a mic and talking.
Leigh Richardson (11:23):
Well, and the neurofeedback that we did,
there's biofeedback, there's,you know, some CBT, and that's
just cognitive behavioraltherapy.
Negative thoughts createnegative behavior that creates
negative feelings
bindwaves Cohost (11:40):
that's so true.
Leigh Richardson (11:40):
And.
You have to, instead of lookingfor the barriers, look for
solutions.
And my son was in a, a caraccident when he was in second
grade.
He and he, this was a long timeago, but he, by the time he got
into fifth grade, I came homeand he said, mom.
(12:02):
My brain is broke and back then,this is like in 2003, he had
gotten on the internet and doneresearch.
Well, back then, it's not coolwhen a fifth grader gets on the
internet all by himself.
Now it now's different,
bindwaves Cohost (12:17):
Right.
Leigh Richardson (12:18):
it's, you know, we have to really.
And I was so thankful that hedid his research.
He is the one that said, I needhelp.
And because we can, the peoplethat have had a brain injury,
they're a survivor and we've gotto frame recovery as Brittany, I
think you said it, it's ajourney.
bindwaves Cohost (12:39):
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (12:40):
not about, oh, just, I just wanna hit the
normal button and go back to theprevious norm.
And you have to be intentionalabout it.
bindwaves Cohost (12:50):
Yeah.
Because unfortunately there,that normal button is not the
same anymore.
Mm-hmm.
But I, I wanna go back a littlebit, Leigh, you mentioned, um, I
mean, we all know that there'sthe internal struggles after
brain injury.
How do we get others, like ourcaregivers or just friends in
general to help.
Help them understand andrecognize those internal
(13:10):
struggles that while they maynot see it outwardly, how do we
engage them more so they canunderstand those?
Does that make sense?
Leigh Richardson (13:20):
It makes total sense?
and I think that what caregiversstruggle with is What.
they want is they want to buildcognitive and functional
independence for people, butthey don't know how they, and
it's, it's hard to figure out,and one of the first pieces of
advice that I give is let peopledo things at their own pace.
(13:46):
It doesn't matter, you know, sheused to, could do that in seven
minutes.
It takes her an hour.
Now well let her do it at herown pace.
Let her feel confident about herability to do it and the, you
know, then.
Don't treat people with braininjuries as they can't make
(14:08):
choices because they can.
I mean, you can fosterindependence with a safety net,
so give'em a choice.
You know, you really need to goup and do you need to do your
walking?
So do you wanna do it before orafter lunch?
bindwaves Cohost (14:24):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (14:25):
You know, and, and create a structured
environment.
Maintain predictability andcontrol because when you, when I
don't know what I need to do orhow to do it, first thing that
happens, I get all stressed out.
So for caregivers, if they cancreate an environment where it
is structured, where they're,they do have some control where
(14:47):
they help break the task downinto small steps and just make
it easier.
And there's nothing wrong withusing checklists and visual cues
and alarms and memory tools.
All the tools that.
They're out there now.
(15:09):
Help.
Help them learn how to use thosetools.
bindwaves Cohost (15:13):
Yeah, so, um, especially like calendars on the
back of your garage door goingoutside because that's what I
had to get.
Calendars like, when's mydoctor's appointment?
this is where I need to go.
Oh, podcast on Thursday, go toPlano.
So that actually helped me outto realize and, you know, find a
(15:33):
rhythm to get back into arhythm.
Not my normal rhythm, but a newone, so.
Leigh Richardson (15:39):
Well, and I think a morning check-in is good
because it reorients and it setsthe tone for the day.
You ready for the day?
You know where you, you knowwhat you have to do.
You got everything you need.
Okay.
bindwaves Cohost (15:54):
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (15:54):
And I think also, Brittany, do you ever use
quiet time?
As a way to help manageoverstimulation.
bindwaves Cohost (16:02):
Um, I try, but then my brain is not nice to me.
My brain will just randomlystart buzzing because I'm, I
guess, overstimulated, which mybrain is weird.
Like, I'll wake up in themorning and start buzzing, and
then I'll go wash my hands andstart buzzing.
Then I'll start writing to startbuzzing.
But I do try to do quiet time.
Be myself somewhere alone in adark room.
(16:25):
But then, you know, my weaknessis arts and crafts, so that
helps me.
Mm-hmm.
Leigh Richardson (16:31):
I think it's great because you get a lot of
satisfaction from that.
bindwaves Cohost (16:36):
Yeah.
And that is a quiet thing,activity to do.
So it helps you be quiet whileyou're doing it.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (16:42):
So, Brittany.
bindwaves Cohost (16:43):
easy.
Leigh Richardson (16:43):
Brittany, do you have any affirmations that
you use?
bindwaves Cohost (16:47):
Um.
Watch your fingers.
No, I'm just kidding.
But no, um, not really.
Like sometimes like, okay, youcan do this.
Um, you got this, or what I liketo say now on a podcast, like,
oh, my life is ruined.
No, it's not.
You just have to reimagine yourlife,
Leigh Richardson (17:07):
That's a great affirmation.
And when you say that, doesn'tthat give you a little bit of a
boost emotionally?
bindwaves Cohost (17:15):
Yeah, it's like kind of, okay, I didn't go
down this path, that path isclosed'cause of construction.
I just have to find a new routeto do the things I need to do.
It might not be the same, itmight not lead me to that place,
but it might lead me to newamazing things.
But it's, I'm still here and I'mstill gonna work for it.
So, yeah.
Leigh Richardson (17:35):
I think that's a great attitude, and I think
just the fact that what you'redoing with the podcast, you're
educating families and friends,you're, you know what, what I
have found caregiver burnout andmisunderstandings, those are so
common.
bindwaves Cohost (17:55):
Yeah, very common, especially like the
being a brain injury survivor.
When the caregiver has like aburnout, it's kind of like.
Okay.
I don't wanna mess with them,or, oh, I feel bad'cause they're
burned out because of me.
And it's kinda like you can'task for help because you're
like, oh no, I'm just gonnastress'em out more.
Or they don't understand it.
(18:15):
Like they don't get it.
It's like something new to themtoo.
It's like, oh, person has abrain injury.
Here you go.
And then they have to learneverything.
They have to do everything.
They have to adapt toeverything.
Help you adapt to everything,which you don't know.
And that gets frustrating too,with kind of no support if the
(18:36):
caregiver gets burned out.
So.
Leigh Richardson (18:40):
And you know, it's.
And one of the things thatcommunication, it's learning how
to communicate and normalizingthose emotional responses.
And instead of a caregiversaying, well, you know, it could
have been worse.
bindwaves Cohost (18:58):
Oh
Leigh Richardson (18:59):
Another, another way to say that is, you
know, it makes sense that youfeel the way that you do given
what you've been through.
So think of words and it's howyou use your language.
And that's hard because whenyou're in that caregiving
moment, you're in a reactivemode.
(19:20):
They want, they want the bestfor you.
And when they're not, you know,they, they feel like they can't
give you the best that makesthem feel bad.
So it, it's normalizing.
This is the way it is today.
And having your affirmations.
I think everybody should have anaffirmation when, I guess it was
(19:42):
six years ago and the tornadothat came through Dallas totally
destroyed my office.
Everything in it and my, yeah.
my affirmation and it's, it'sstill the one I use today is I
will come back bigger and betterand stronger and I can remember
(20:02):
standing out in my backyardscreaming that affirmation.
bindwaves Cohost (20:07):
That's good.
Yeah.
I think probably the biggest onewe have here at BIND that we
encourage all of our survivorsto say is.
You don't ever say, I can't dothat, or I can't do X, it's, I
can't do that yet.
Always end it with the word yetbecause we're gonna get there.
We may not, you know, it doesn'tmean I may not be able to do it
today, but I can do it tomorrow.
(20:28):
I mean, that's like, you know,we talk, talking about Brittany.
Brittany never had a braininjury and said, I'm gonna have
a brain injury and I'm gonna gobe on a podcast.
Well, I didn't either, but youknow, but hey, here we are.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, I think and I knowyou're talking about caregivers
and I say this to lot, but youknow, no one thinks about that,
that the brain injury isn't justfor the survivor.
(20:48):
It, it affects the whole entirefamily.
I know my, my parents and I hadto sit down and reset new
boundaries because it was kindof more like, okay, I've had a
brain injury.
That doesn't mean I'm yourfive-year-old child that, that
you used to take care of.
I don't need that.
I don't need that.
Hovering that constant, what doyou need?
(21:08):
What do you want?
What can I do?
I need you to still treat melike the38-year-old woman,
independent woman that I am, andthat I was two weeks ago before
this happened, or a month ago,whatever, you know, treat me
like that same person.
Now if you see me something,maybe doing something dangerous
because I did have, I did haveimpulsivity.
Mm-hmm.
Leigh Richardson (21:28):
Yeah.
bindwaves Cohost (21:28):
me trying to climb the counters with my half
Leigh Richardson (21:31):
Okay.
bindwaves Cohost (21:31):
self, maybe correct me there.
But yeah, so it is, I meanthat's a lot I think that we
don't think about, um.
To work that we need to work onwith caregivers.
They kind of get left out andjust try to figure things out
and pick up the pieces on thego.
So.
Leigh Richardson (21:49):
And that's so hard, and it's, you know, they
don't know what to do.
They don't know how to help.
And one of the things, piecesof, of a advice that I offer is
be consistent as a caregiver.
Be consistent with what you tryto do, whether that's support,
social reconnection, um, getthem involved in a community,
(22:13):
get them involved in BIND,
bindwaves Cohost (22:14):
Mm-hmm.
Leigh Richardson (22:15):
the, but whether it's everybody needs a
community to grow within and togrow from, and BIND is a perfect
example.
A religious, uh, whether it'schurch or, um, you know, any
type of religious structure thatprovides the opportunity.
And I know you guys do a lot ofdifferent things with, with
(22:39):
social interactions.
And Brittany, I'm surprised youdon't have craft groups go in
there every day.
bindwaves Cohost (22:45):
Oh, I try, but I think Rummikube beats us out
in Fort Worth.
Leigh Richardson (22:50):
Oh, okay.
I think that, you know, one ofthe things that, the key
takeaways I always tell peopleis understand the effects of a
traumatic brain injury.
It is a survivor and they mayexperience memory loss.
(23:12):
They may experience fatigue,emotional dysregulation, mood
swings up down.
Certainly difficultyconcentrating and as was
mentioned earlier, you may seesome changes in in personality
or behavior and you have to, youhave to, as caregivers, we have
(23:35):
to learn to and to take that, toview that with empathy rather
than frustration.
bindwaves Cohost (23:44):
Yeah.
Um, so I know a little thing totouch off on.
I know a lot of us getoverstimulated and overwhelmed
in different environments, so doyou have any, um, techniques to
avoid getting overwhelmed inoverstimulated environments such
as party sports event and noisyenvironments?
Leigh Richardson (24:04):
Well take a brain break, and that's exactly
what the way to think of it is.
Take a brain break, hit thepause button, just step back.
And sit down, or if you need tostand up, but get comfortable
and stop and just focus on yourbreathing because if you change
(24:25):
your breath rate, you'll changeyour heart rate.
And when we get overstimulated,you ever feel like your heart's
beating a lot faster and a lotharder?
And the best way to slow thatdown.
Is to slow that breath rightdown
bindwaves Cohost (24:47):
That's true.
That's, I mean, and you don't, Imean, you don't need any special
equipment for that.
Leigh Richardson (24:53):
and, and matter of fact, you have to do
it.
You have to.
You have to breathe.
So when you feel that, Brittany,do you ever feel that
overstimulation coming on?
bindwaves Cohost (25:05):
Um, sometimes I don't, and sometimes I do, but
when I don't, it hits reallyfast and like by the time I
realize I'm overstimulated, I'mlike in that little pickle in
that moment.
Leigh Richardson (25:20):
And the best thing to do is just breathe into
it.
bindwaves Cohost (25:25):
Mm.
Leigh Richardson (25:25):
Literally breathe into it.
bindwaves Cohost (25:28):
So don't fight it.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (25:30):
Don't.
No, because if you just, onceyou start the fight, then ooh,
if you start the rollercoaster
bindwaves Cohost (25:36):
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (25:37):
flight, freeze, fight, flight, freeze.
bindwaves Cohost (25:39):
thought about that.
Yeah.
Especially my aphasia comes outtoo when I fight it, so.
Oh, hadn't thought about that.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
um, what's one thing that youwould like brain injury
survivors to learn from yourresearch?
From the Brain PerformanceCenter?
Leigh Richardson (25:58):
That you can do something about it.
You abso, I'm not saying you'regonna get your normal back.
I mean, things have, think aboutthe normal that we had before
the pandemic.
bindwaves Cohost (26:08):
Right.
Leigh Richardson (26:09):
haven't gotten that back.
bindwaves Cohost (26:10):
no.
Leigh Richardson (26:11):
And how many years has it been?
So get a new normal.
And the new normal can offer youdifferent opportunities, but you
may find great satisfactionthrough those opportunities.
Don't stop trying.
bindwaves Cohost (26:29):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, um, thank you for joiningus, Leigh, and thank you for all
of those listening.
Leigh Richardson (26:37):
Well thank you and I hope you'll take me up on
my offer
bindwaves Cohost (26:40):
definitely I will.
Anything to improve my life.
Leigh Richardson (26:44):
and it's something that You can, share
with some of your, yourcolleagues at at BIND.
bindwaves Cohost (26:49):
You can bring it back.
You can teach us a little class.
We'll let you do that instead ofarts and crafts.
Yeah.
Leigh Richardson (26:56):
Thank you so much, ladies, for having me.
bindwaves Cohost (26:58):
thank you again.
Um, for those of you listening,if you would like to contact us,
you can email us at.
BIND waves at the BIND dot org.
You can follow us on Instagramat BIND Waves, and we've
switched up things a little bitnow.
So now you can find us on theinternet and just go to
bindwaves.org and it'll take youstraight to our portion of the
BIND site website, just thepodcast site.
(27:19):
So yeah, and don't forget tolike, share and subscribe on
your favorite platform.
And also hit Notify on YouTubewhile listening to bindwaves.
And remember, you can find us onall your favorite platforms.
Um, so until next time.
Until next time.
Rick (27:37):
We hope you've enjoyed listening to bindwaves and
continue to support Brain InjuryNetwork in our nonprofit
mission, we support brain injurysurvivors as they reconnect into
life, the community, and theworkplace.
And we couldn't do that withoutgreat listeners like you.
We appreciate each and every oneof you.
(27:58):
Please remember to click thelike button, the share button,
and the subscribe button onYouTube.
And follow us on Instagram@bindwaves and Brain Injury
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You can email us atbindwaves@thebind.org or go to
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(28:27):
Please continue watching.
Until next time.
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