Call Her Alex (Hulu): Alex Is Undeniable

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This week’s episode is all about Alex Cooper’s new docuseries “Call Her Alex”. We breakdown everything in this series including her childhood bullying, her college soccer trauma, and her UNDENIABLE work ethic. Plus some fun facts about her husband’s past life and what REALLY went down between her and Sofia Franklin. Whether you are Daddy Gang, a yapper, or both, this is one you don’t want to miss.

Series Synopsis (from Google):

Alex Cooper prepares for her first tour supporting her Call Her Daddy podcast.

BYR Average Rating: 7/10

No. of episodes: 2 (~2h runtime)

Binge In Progress: Tires, Titan (Oceangate Documentary), Straw

Episode Transcript

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Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.And I'm Shalini and we're your
hosts. A binge, yap, repeat.
We're two best friends who spendan embarrassing amount of time
binge watching TV, and honestly,we just need to talk about it.
If you're here, we're guessing you do too.
Fair warning. This is a spoiler friendly zone.
We will be discussing lots of spoilers, so if you haven't

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watched the show yet, hit pause,go binge, and come back when
you're ready to yap with us. And now it's yap time.

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What is up Yappy gang? These are your founding mothers,
Shalini and Ruchi with Call her Nope with binge yap.
Repeat. So close.
So close. Basically nailed it.
Wait, yeah. Oh, wait.
What would? Because actually it would work
with our podcast name because wewould be a binge.
Yap. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

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Yeah. And redundant.
Oh my God. And redundant.
I was just listening to that episode today.
I got to that part and I was like, I stand by my statement.
Cool. Yeah.
So if you haven't guessed, we'retalking today about Call Her
Alex, the two-part documentary miniseries.

(01:33):
I guess it's only two hours about Call Her Daddy, the sex
comedy advice turned celebrity interview podcast hosted by Alex
Cooper. Yes, and just for some context,
so I have been listening to CallHer Daddy for the last, I would

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say three years. So kind of just as she
transitioned into celebrity interviews and away from kind of
life and sex advice. And Ruchi, what is your
background with Call Her Daddy? Have you ever listened to a Call
Her Daddy episode? I am baby daddy.
I am like level one. I peripherally know about Alex

(02:17):
Cooper and Call her Daddy, so I haven't been able to escape the
social media clips around Call Her Daddy.
So I definitely do see a lot of clips from her interviewing
famous celebrities. Sometimes she interviews people
who I'm like, I have no idea whothis person is, but apparently
they have some, like, crazy lorebehind them.

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But yeah, very, very peripheral,very tangential.
So I am excited to have this conversation today.
Nice. OK, yeah, so Call Her Alex
offers a behind the scenes look at Cooper's career as she grew
from a 24 year old woman with a sex and dating podcast to the

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CEO of a media empire in just six years.
So the documentary series premiered on June 10th, 2025 on
Hulu. And for those of you who don't
know or didn't know, like me, call her Daddy is, I guess
started out as an advice and comedy podcast Co hosted by Alex
Cooper and Sophia Franklin in 2018.

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Call her Daddy now is hosted by just Alex Cooper, who does the
the celebrity interviews. So actually that was one of my
questions is like how she actually transitioned from doing
the sex and the dating stuff at the very beginning to just doing
her solo vlog style episodes to now doing these celebrity

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interviews. So I guess they covered this a
little bit in the docu series, But so she started out, she
started this podcast with SophiaFranklin, her roommate, with the
intent of kind of locker room talk for women.
And so I think, yeah, initially it was intended to be this very

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sexual content and just talking about sex, blowjob advice, you
know, all of that stuff. And then, I mean, I like to
think that the podcast grew up with her where, you know, as she
transitioned from her early 20s into her late 20s, it was more
about like, this is this is how my life has been going.

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I want to share these experiences with you.
And then of course, when she super blew up, then her first
celebrity guest was Miley Cyrus.And Alex said that Miley was one
of the first ones that viewed this podcast as an interview
platform. So if I recall back in 2022, a

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lot of the content she talked about, even with her guests was
kind of salacious still and sexual and just like about their
dating lives and stuff. And then it's made this really
slow. And they said this in the in the
docu series as well. Very natural brand transition
from that to what it is today, which is just interviews about
celebrities of any type. I, I guess like one of the, the

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main reasons why I asked it is especially in the podcasting
space or in the social media space when you're starting out,
it's so important to achieve product market fit, right?
So like to know what resonates with your audience and to just
keep doing that same thing. That's how you get that initial

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growth. So it's so interesting that Call
Her Daddy is so big in spite of going through so many
fundamental shifts in the strategy, like a sex podcast to
advice, to celebrity. And like those are three very
different shifts. So I think it's just crazy that
it's grown to be as big as it is.

(05:54):
That is. That's such a good point.
It actually reminds me a lot of Taylor Swift's journey in her
career, starting as a country music artist and then making
this huge shift into pop, hopingthat her fans would come along
with her and enjoy her new content.
And turns out they did. And she just kind of kept
capitalizing on that and just built her fan base up even more

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because she she wasn't just giving her fans what she knew
they liked. She was like, OK, let me try to
reinvent everything I'm doing. And I feel like Alex went
through a similar thing where she was like, OK, I don't want
to lose my current fan base, butI want to grow the podcast.
I want this podcast to evolve away from just sex advice.

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How do I do this? And yeah, so I think I think
it's really impressive. I totally agree.
It's so hard to shift something that does have such a great
product market Fit was clearly like incredibly successful
getting acquired by Barstool Sports after the what?
Was it the third episode or something?
Yeah. Just basically like grew in the

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charts up to the number two spotunder the Joe Rogan Experience
in a matter of months. That's so crazy.
Yeah, it is crazy. And so I think they had some
metric in the docu series where they were saying by one month
she had like 12,000 followers orsomething like that in the first
month of Call Her Daddy, which is crazy, right?

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But then when you compare it to us, we have.
Way less than 12,000. We let's put it this way, we've
been around for twice as long and we have.
Just, you know, I'd say less than less than two times as much
as she had. Also less than half as much.

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Also less than half as half as much.
Excuse me of what they had she and Sophia, because back then it
was both of them. True, yes.
Yeah. So I I thought like, that was a
pretty crazy figure. But then in the documentary,
they also talked about how Alex was a self-proclaimed Insta ho

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as well as a YouTube. So I'm pretty sure Alex probably
did have a really sizable following before she started
doing the podcast. So it kind of makes sense that
they had like boosted like a boosted friends and family
number to kind of go off. Just kind of transitioning her
fan base from YouTube to Spotifyor Apple podcast or whatever.

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It was barstool. Sports barstool.
Sports, correct? Yes, yeah.
OK. And then the other thing that I
wanted to talk about was the whole Alex and Sophia fall out
because I think even though I'm kind of looking at call her
daddy from from the outside, that was the one thing that I

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actually did know about beforehand.
And I was like, oh, how did it go from 2 hosts to one host?
Sounds kind of like there's drama or there's spice around
that. And then I actually thought that
the docu series would spend a lot of time talking about it,
but they really did not. It was 2 minutes of like Sophia
was there and then she just wasn't.

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And then that's that. I was like, what?
They kind of just painted it as they were already drifting as
friends and then when the time came to renew the contract, Alex
was in and Sophia was out, and Idon't think that's how it went
down from what I've read. Yeah, OK, Yeah.
So I think in the documentary they said that they wanted to,

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yeah, renegotiate the contract. David Portnoy, who is the owner
of Barstool Sports, told them that they would get an increase
of like some 100 thousands of dollars.
I I don't remember the exact number, but and they would also
get ownership of their IP after a certain amount of years.

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And then Alex was like, that sounds like a great deal.
I want to take it, Sophia said. I don't think we should.
And then as a result of that difference, Sophia walked.
That was what was said in the docu series.
Shalini, what's the team? OK, so most of my knowledge
comes from Reddit, but you know,where else are we going to find

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the T? So I'm just going to read it
word for word because I think how they laid it out, it was
really good. So front bench 5 four O 6 says
the podcast was maybe the fastest growing one ever.
It went from nothing to being regularly matching Joe Rogan for
downloads in the span of months.Alex had the relationship with
the industry and got the show going.

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It started with both of them dueto the show going so big so
soon. Their contracts were seen as not
fair. So they said this in the
podcast. They were each making like 70 K
plus bonuses. They got raises after the first
year. And Alex who was also editing
the show which a lot of people credit as one of its biggest
successes because they they mentioned this in the doctor

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student. She edited it very much like a
vlog and not like traditional podcasting.
OK anyway, the fractures really started here as the money they
were getting was becoming an issue.
They were being underpaid by Barstool who owned the show,
Alex. While they got initial raises,
they got initial raises. This person says I think 250K

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each plus bonuses. I don't know how true that is.
Alex got a bump also by asking Barstool for an extra bump since
she edited the show too. She did not tell Sophia about
it. So wow, that's where the Chasm
started. So meanwhile, the show is

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growing wildly. Sophia has started dating an HBO
executive who is telling them they are not getting anywhere
near enough money. So he starts trying to help them
get another deal I think. Outside even with the 250,000
correct? He's like, you guys should be
making millions or something. Wow.
Then the pandemic happens and during this time the girls

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stopped doing the show while they're trying to break their
contract with Barstool. The negotiations drag on.
The show is off for like 2 months.
Barstool really needed the show as it was by far their largest
show. The pandemic has cut their
revenue massively and Dave Portnoy also said this.
He was like they were paying a lot of the Barstool salaries.
At this point. Barstool offers them an insane

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deal that lets them only do the show for 12 more months which
shortens their contract and letsthem keep the IP for the show,
the name, and all of the stuff created within the show.
So this is this is also something Alex mentions in the
docu series. I think this is the point when
Alex was like this is a deal of a lifetime.
We work for Barstool for 12 moremonths and then we get to keep

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call her daddy and then Sophia did not want to take it for 12
more months. I guess she wanted to leave
faster than that because her HBOboyfriend was like you guys
deserve way more than this. I see.
And so wait, so the, the strategy from Barstool is
basically like we know you're going to leave, but give us 12

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months of runway and keep payingour bills for those 12 months
and then we'll cut you loose. Yeah, I think so.
That must have been their perspective.
They're like, OK, we can't keep up.
Obviously they know we're underpaying them.
We probably can't afford how much they deserve to be paid,
but let's try to hold on to themfor one more year.
We'll figure out something else.We'll find new revenue streams

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or something. Got it.
That makes sense. So by this point the fracture
from the girls is Sophia seems to no matter what, want to get
out of the contract because her boyfriend is really committed to
it professionally. Despite the insane offer from
Barstool, she keeps denying any offer and asking for more.
During this some shady things happen.

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Their contract is leaked which likely could only have been done
from Sophia's side. Their lawyer seems to be
frustrated by their lack of agreement.
Sophia seems to bring up questions like if she stayed on
and got fired, would they still get the IP, etcetera.
Eventually this breaks so Alex takes the deal from Barstool,
which anyone would have done when they were offered the IP

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for only 12 months more of work.Sophia then basically
disappeared for a while before starting her thing.
Alex started doing the contract and then got the mega contract
with Spotify because the show was still growing etcetera.
Yeah so I do think this was written.
This Reddit post was written by an Alex Stan so I guess take it
with a grain of salt. The other comments said that

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Sophia kind of told her side of the story on her own podcast,
which is Sophia with AF. And then she also was a guest
star on an episode of Uncut. But it also sounds like she
doesn't really deny anything that Alex claims in any of these
podcasts. She's just trying to tell her
side of the story. And it seems like her side of

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the story is really defending the fact that her boyfriend
convinced her to do all of this and she is like, I was never
influenced by a man. That seems to be the hill she's
dying on and all these things. Granted I've not listened to the
podcast so I can't say for sure,but from what I can read on
Reddit it seems like that's whatshe's fixating on, not the stuff
with Alex which is. Interesting, so do they not talk

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anymore? Alex and Sophia?
Are they just like not friends? I would.
Assume they're not really friends anymore.
I guess they weren't really friends.
Friends to begin. With they were just kind of
roommates and it I, I thought itwas really funny that they
decided to include the audio clip of Sophia being like, I'm
just here to ride Alexis coattails, I guess.

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Yeah. Such a critique move.
Yeah, that was shady. I thought it was like, OK, it's
like very obvious what agenda they're pushing here, but it's
like not even an attempt to be fair, but whatever.
I guess that's just it is what it is.
Yeah, so I I don't know how truethat is.

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Yappers, if you know any more than we do, definitely write in.
Comment below on the episode or e-mail us at What is it?
Hello at benjiupperpete.com. Yeah.
And we can include your comment in an oopsie doopsie in our
future episodes. But yeah, so I knew, kind of
like you, I think I knew that itstarted with two people.

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Now it's just Alex. I knew that there was some beef,
but I had no idea what the real story was.
So I think the docuseries gave kind of a window into what
happened, but definitely made Alex seem like more of a hero
than she was, I think. For sure.
I, I think the, the way that they spun the story was Alex was
always a character and a personality and she was always

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good at producing and editing. And then, oh, her editing skills
took her all this way. So she's actually the meat and
potatoes behind Call her Daddy is So when Sophia walked, it was
fine. That was definitely the story
they spun. So I was like, OK, I sure.

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I guess this is what happened. OK, interesting.
So if Alex is the editor behind Call Her Daddy, does that make
you the Alex Cooper of this podcast?
And I'm the. Ruchi I'm the meat and potatoes.

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Richie with an. R And you can call me Mother.
Oh. My God.
OK, interesting. Yeah.
Speaking of being influenced by a man or husband, how did you

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feel about Alex's relationship with her husband?
I forgot his name. Matt Matt Kaplan.
Matt Kaplan, yes. Yeah, So I've heard a lot about
their relationship from her podcast.
I'll be honest, I did not know he was a businessman working
full time for call Her Daddy or for Unwell.

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I thought he was still because Ithink he was some sort of media
producer or something when they met.
They met through a business meeting and I thought he was
still he still had his own job, but I think it makes sense that
he works full time for is it forunwell or is it for caller
daddy? Unclear.

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I feel like it would be unwell. I can look it up really quickly.
OK, what the hell Is this the right?
What the hell? He is a film producer.
He produced young adult films, including the two All the Boys
film series. Yeah, we know that.
Wow. I didn't know he produced To All

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the Boys. Yeah.
Oh, he's 41. I didn't know their age gap was
that big. And he dated Ashley Olsen.
What yes of Mary Kate and Ashleyfame?
Crazy. And then he also married

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Australian actress Claire Holt, but filed for divorce a day
before their anniversary. He was married before he married
Alex. Yes.
I did not know that. Yes, they were engaged March
2023 and then they married on April 6th, 2024.
Wow, wait. He and Alex.
He and Alex, yeah. OK, OK.

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Yeah. I was like, wait, I thought she
met him in 2021. OK, OK.
Yeah, but they don't say anything about like what he
does. For Alex Cooper, this is just
like his film. News to me that he works for
Call Her Daddy, yeah. None of none of these things.

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They say that he's the founder and CEO of Ace Entertainment, a
top tier entertainment company focused on feature film.
Whatever, but they don't say anything about.
Call her daddy. Interesting.
All right, well, maybe we'll never know.
I don't remember what they said in the docu series about his
role. I don't think it was CEO, but it
was something like head of business for.

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Yeah. Something like that.
Something like that. And he filmed like weighing in
on what she should do for her life tour or something.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, So going back to your original question of what do I
think of their relationship, first I will say I think he is a
really supportive partner from what from what I have heard on

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her podcast on Call Her Daddy aswell as what I saw on the docu
series. I honestly don't think I have
any negative things to say abouthim or their relationship.
Like it seemed very healthy fromwhat I can tell when she talks
about him in her podcast, like he is very grounded, just like

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worships the ground she walks on, is so impressed with her and
her ambition and doesn't try to tame her, you know, in the in
the Untamed by Glennon Doyle wayof the word.
And just kind of loves when she's herself.
And so I I love that for her. I love that for them.
But yeah, I did not know that. A, he worked for caller daddy.

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B He was married to Claire Holt before.
Or see that he's 11 years older than her.
I did not know, I don't know whoClaire Holt is until I clicked
Claire Holt in his Wikipedia. I did not.
I also didn't know that he was that much older than her.

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Yeah, I, I guess like from the documentary, I was like, OK,
yeah, he's obviously shown as some like supportive guy, but I
guess, and all of the reality shows, documentaries that we've
watched, it's always like, OK, there's always some agenda.
So I, I feel like this was another agenda that was like
being pushed on the user. But because I came in with the
clean slate, I was like, I can only make judgements based on

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what is shown to me. So I guess I must accept that
this is true. Yeah.
I think where I guess the history that I know about is
that when and when she does talkabout Matt, so that she talked a
lot about this in her episode with Simone Biles because Simone
Biles met her husband. Oh God, I'm forgetting his name.

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Jonathan. OK, well, I know that they had a
whole scandal about how he was like, was he joking about how
he. Yeah.
Jonathan Owen. Yeah.
So actually, OK, so yeah, side note, they do talk about that in
call her daddy on someone else episode.
And Alex is like what happened when like what was this?

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And Simone was like, yeah, I it was a joke.
And like I people are taking it the wrong way.
They're taking it really seriously.
And like, it was at first it felt like really supportive, but
now it's kind of hurting my feelings that they don't respect
our marriage anymore. So like, please stop.
And I was like I. Also did watch Simone Biles

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documentary by the way. I loved that it was so good.
Gosh. But anyway, yeah, so in that
episode, in a few other episodes, the one with Rachel
who had just broken up with MattJames, they were a bachelor,

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bachelor couple. Anyway, in all of these
episodes, Alex talks a lot abouthow she and Matt started dating
and like their relationship. And she says she said this in
the docu series too. She's like, I never thought I
was going to get married. I had pretty much accepted that
I was just going to like date people my whole life and like

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just kind of keep myself sexually satisfied, but like not
really focus on finding a meaningful relationship.
And so I think finding that Despite that shows that like,
he, he did not hold her back in the way that she was afraid
anyone or afraid that marriage would do.

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And he would. He just like he didn't try to
quiet her. He didn't try to stomp on her
dreams. He was just kind of there to
support her and like, so that they could support each other.
And so, yeah, yeah, one of the impression I got, yeah.
For sure. I think one thing that did come
across very clearly without any kind of agenda attached to it
was that it definitely seems like Alex is super, super hard

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working. She's definitely super focused,
very disciplined, very diligent,and I do think that comes with
being a college athlete as well.And you could also kind of see
that even in her younger years, she was like, I thrived in
soccer because it gave me all ofthe structure and competition
that I was yearning for where I could just run free and like

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prove myself to to me that I'm that bitch, you know?
So I thought that was very clear.
And like, I think all of the other stories, I felt like
something was being fed to me. But I think that was the one
thing that really rang true. I was like, say what you want
about Alex Cooper, feel how you feel, but you can't deny that

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she has earned this success. I agree 100%.
Yeah, I think that that is very clear.
She is. And I think another thing that's
very clear from listening to hershow for the last few years is
that she is a hell of an interviewer.
So many people on her podcast have been like, you're so good

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at this. I literally have never talked
about this before. And so she definitely has some
sort of gift of or skill of kindof.
Bringing you in. Empathizing.
Yeah. Bringing you in, empathizing on
such a deep level. I feel like she always has a
personal anecdote to share with her interviewee to make them
feel more comfortable talking about what they're talking

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about. Like if they're like, Oh yeah, I
went through a huge glow up, she'll be like, dude, I went
through two rounds of Accutane. Like I was hideous.
You know, she'll always think something like that.
She just has a way of just relating to everyone she speaks
to and it's incredible. So yeah, I think definitely hard
working, definitely such a greatinterviewer.

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And she had an amazing glow up. She did.
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
I did not know she was a redheadoriginally.
Yeah, that was crazy. But also I feel like, well, I
don't know if she got any work done.
Did I? Don't know if you know.
I don't know, I think she has a lip filler.

(26:49):
Yeah, I think lip filler was there.
Yeah. But I think like for the most
part it, it still kind of lookedlike the same face.
Like you could tell that the fewpeople were like were like the
same person. Definitely natural.
If she got any work done, it wasvery natural.
Very natural. I do think she looks quite
different without makeup. All of the shots they showed of
her not wearing makeup, I was like, Oh yeah, she does look a

(27:11):
little different I guess cuz youcould kind of see her redhead
undertones of like some frecklesand stuff versus like the kind
of. Tan.
That we see. Mostly, yeah, Yeah.
I also think that she's definitely a lot smarter than

(27:33):
what I thought. Not to say that I thought she
was dumb or anything, but I thought for the most part she
was like, I don't know, I'm kindof average and just like maybe
lucked into things. But I think over the course of
the documentary it's like, Oh no, like every move that she
makes is very calculated and hasa goal or some kind of purpose
in mind. And I think, like some people

(27:55):
may think that's manipulative, but I actually think it's very
strategic. And I think she has a very
strong strategic mind. Yeah, definitely it that that
reminds me of something that Taylor Swift has said, which is
when a man does it, it's strategic.
When a woman does it, it's calculated.
Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's just, she's
just a smart business woman. Yeah, definitely.
No denying that. Yeah, exactly.

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And I think it was even in the docu series, there is an
interview with Gayle King where Gayle King was like, no, Alex
Cooper knows exactly what she's doing.
So I think you know that, King. The head of Spotify or no?
She's like a really famous TV personality.
Yeah. TV newscaster, yes.
CBS News? Oh.

(28:40):
That Lady. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
right. So yeah, even she was like, Alex
Cooper knows exactly what she's doing.
And even Alex Cooper was like, yeah, when we first started out.
Like this was the the picture for four call her daddy.
And it was like her and Sophia kind of looking like blow up
dolls, like very sexual. And so she was like, yeah, I

(29:04):
obviously pose like that and like, edited things a little bit
more than they needed to me because I was going for a very
certain allure, which worked. Yeah.
So smart, yeah, but Speaking of the locker room talk, the Gluck.
Gluck, 9000. Legend.

(29:27):
That is a color daddy legend. Actually, when they started
talking about that, that was when I was like, maybe I should
listen to this podcast. I know, I know.
I'm like, okay, I can see why this podcast was so successful
because yeah, when, when else dowe talk about, I guess like our
friends talk about a lot of stuff.
I don't think we have very many boundaries, but that's true.

(29:48):
Sure. There are so many women out
there who don't have that kind of friendship where they can
just like, literally talk about this straightforwardly.
Yeah, well, I feel like I only have that relationship like with
very few people in my life, which is like our friend group.
But I I can definitely see otherclose friendships where I would
not be comfortable having that conversation.

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So while I don't have that boundary with some people, I
definitely have that boundary with a lot of other people. 7%
Yeah, exactly. And so like to have it being
discussed on a podcast. It it it was.
Groundbreaking. Yeah, totally.
And I thought it was so interesting.

(30:29):
I guess my mind whenever there'sa celebrity that kind of
capitalizes on sexuality or likeswearing a lot or anything
that's viewed as not appropriate, quote UN quote.
I'm always like, I wonder what their parents think.
And I've thought that with with Alex's start, when I think back

(30:52):
to the original call her Daddy, I'm like, I wonder what her
parents think about this or how they felt during this.
And I was so surprised that theywere just like, yeah, we loved
it. Yeah, and even her mom was like.
And you know what? Not only do I love it, my mom
would love it. I was like day grandma.

(31:16):
Welcome to call her daddy. My dad told me that I shouldn't
wear my jumpsuit because my jumpsuit is basically just like
a strap thing because my shoulders were showing
basically. Yeah, yeah.
There, there are the Coopers, Mama and Papa Cooper.
And then there are Indian parents my dad wants.

(31:39):
In middle school, I was wearing purple sweatpants, literally
sweatpants, but I had rolled them up to just under my knees,
as we did in the 2000s. And my dad was like, you're
showing too much skin. You're giving, you're giving
boys too many ideas. And I was like, what?
Crazy. Oh my gosh.

(32:01):
Oh yeah. One more story about new
parents. I also remember the first time
that my sister wore like torn jeans in front of my parents.
My dad made her change. He was like, you cannot go out
with torn jeans. I will not allow you to go out
with torn jeans. And she was like, Baba, this is

(32:21):
the fashion. And he was like, absolutely not.
I did not grow up in poverty formy kid to have.
Oh my God, yeah. So classic.
So many fashion fights with my dad.
Oh my goodness. Policing women.

(32:41):
Policing women what they have said that to a boy rolling his
sweatpants up anyway. Anyway, what are you talking
about? OK, Yeah, OK.
Speaking of inappropriate, should we talk about the sexual

(33:02):
misconduct by her coach? Yeah, at Boston University.
So crazy. I did not know about that at
all. Was so that started that.
That was like teed up in the second-half of the first episode
I believe, right. And then it kind of continued
into the 2nd episode. I think it all resolved in the

(33:23):
1st. Episode in the first one, OK.
I remember the first episode ending with a with her walking
onto the field for the first time since college and being
like I knew that no one would ever silence me again.
And then it cuts. Yes, OK, Yeah.
So OK, so basically the second-half of the first episode
is all about the sexual misconduct, and the first half

(33:44):
of the first episode is all about her preparing for her
tour. I was like, this is going in my
old direction. Like I thought this would be, I
thought this would be about how Alex Cooper is just like really
good at soccer. And then she was like, oh,
Division One soccer. And then she decided to throw it

(34:05):
all away and start a podcast. But it's like, no, this was
taken from her. Yeah, that was crazy.
I was spoiled for that a little bit because I think I'd seen a
headline or something that was like, Alex speaks out about the
sexual misconduct by her soccer coach.
So I I kind of knew it was coming, but yeah, I think it was
shocking to me that it was that it happened in the 1st place.

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Double shocking that it was a woman.
And yeah. Apparently she said recently
after the doc came out that she didn't feel comfortable speaking
up about it because it was a woman and so like it wasn't on
her grand of fighting the patriarchy to speak out about a
woman and so she didn't feel comfortable until now.

(34:54):
It is time for a little oopsie doopsie.
So Alex released a really short 8 minute episode on Call Her
Daddy this past Tuesday, the daythat her docu series came out,
June 10th titled My College Soccer Trauma.
And in this she doesn't detail any of the trauma itself, but

(35:16):
she uses this episode to explainthe choice of including this
this traumatic thing that happened to her in her docu
series. So if you haven't listened to
it, I just wanted to give a brief summary of it because I
felt it was important to includehere and you are more than
welcome to go listen to it yourself.
But TLDR is that she initially wanted to just make a fun

(35:39):
documentary about the chaotic behind the scenes of her unwell
tour. She was not planning to include
any of the soccer trauma at all,but the director of her doggy
series encouraged her to just goto be you visit the soccer
field. And the minute she did, she said
she felt so small and powerless and she forgot about her status,

(36:03):
her money, etcetera. And she just started bawling and
realized that there was so much that was unresolved for her.
And the reason she's never spoken up about it is because
she felt so much shame name thather abuser was a woman.
And she was afraid that it wouldundermine the brand that she had
built for herself all around empowering women.

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Then she found out this year that other women had experienced
the same trauma from the same coach.
It was still actively happening on the BU campus in 2025.
And she spoke directly with one of the victims.
So that's when she made the decision.
She was like, I must use my platform to speak out.

(36:44):
And so that is why she decided to include this trauma.
Also why she hasn't spoken aboutit in the past.
So yeah, just wanted to include that little tidbit for you.
Definitely go listen to it yourself.
It's only 8 minutes long. It's on Call Her Daddy from June
10th. All right, back to the episode.

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Oh my gosh, what a tough situation because she also chose
that team because the coach was a woman and then in order to
avoid sexual misconduct and thenended up having sexual
misconduct. Just so heartbreaking.
And as a former student athlete myself, just like knowing how

(37:28):
much you pour into your sport and just want to do a good job.
And your coach does have so muchpower over you because you know,
they're the authority when it comes to how you do, especially
in a sport like soccer. I played water polo like they,
you know, in swimming or in track or whatever, it's like
you're going to run your race, you're going to swim your race.
But in soccer and water polo, it's like the coach decides how

(37:51):
much you play of that sport every single game that you play.
And so the coach just had so much power over her.
I can't believe the coach could control who she lived with, how
many games she played, basicallyher future chances of success.
Yeah, I also thought it was crazy about how long this went

(38:12):
on because when they started talking about, it was like, oh,
she noticed something happening her freshman year.
Then some some more stuff happened her sophomore year.
Then things escalated into her junior year, and it was like,
Oh, my God, I like, you know where that's going as the
viewer, But to know that it wenton for three years is insane.

(38:34):
And then I also wanted to say, oh, yeah.
So while I was looking this up, while I was looking up the intro
for this episode, I saw that there was some activity where
Boston University is finally kind of like speaking out now
that the docu series has been out for a week.
But of course, they're just, like, denying everything.
They're like, we always support our athletes and we would never

(38:58):
do put our student athletes in aposition of like doing blah,
blah, blah. You know, So there's been a lot
of people who are I think representatives of Boston
University or still work there or were there at the time and
they've all kind of come out anddenied that this was happening.
Just kind of interesting of. Course they are.

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I think they have no other option other than to try to
deny. Yeah, or maybe they're not even
denying, but they're just being like, we always support our
team, OK? You're not saying that it didn't
happen. Right.
What the heck? Yeah, yeah.

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So it was like a non answer basically.
Wow. Yeah, I OK, One thing that
confused me was that you know how her mom said it took a while
to figure out that some there was a personal issue with the
coach? It took almost another year to

(40:06):
realize that there was a sexual component to the personal issue.
But then they also say that Alex's mom had written down
every single thing that Alex hadtold her chronologically over
the years. So do you think you just
happened to be writing the stuffdown before she knew that?
There was such a big issue. Or do you think she like went

(40:28):
back and wrote some things that she remembered?
I'm sure it wasn't like from thevery first time that Alex talked
about her coach, she was writingstuff down.
I think it may have started with, oh, like the coach did
this weird thing to today and then oh, this coach did another
weird thing today. Then the third time it happens,
like coach did another weird thing today.

(40:49):
And I think by the third data point, you're like, I need to
start writing this down just in case.
And then I think at that point they probably thought that it
was more of a personal vendetta.And so they just wanted evidence
to support that personal vendetta, but then they realized
that it was and like an intimatesexual personal, not really a

(41:12):
vendetta, but like interest in in Alex.
Wow, yeah. I guess like the other thing
that confused me is I've watchedthe scene like multiple times
because I was kind of confused. But I think what happened is
that there was some brown hairedgirl that said that the coach
dismissed her and just said oh you're off the team.

(41:33):
It's like non, non negotiable, no, no questions, whatever.
And just like kicked her off. But then wait, was her name also
Alex? Because yeah.
Both of their names were Alex. OK.
I was confused by that. But then it also was confused
because the coach basically kicked not Alex Cooper off the
team, but the other Alex becauseof her relationship with Alex

(41:57):
Cooper. Is that right?
That's certainly the story they were trying to tell with that.
They definitely were trying to show that she kicked off other
Alex, to control Alex Cooper's life as much as possible and to
send her a message of look what I did to your friend.
Just so you know, I can control everything.

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I'll control who you live with, I'll control how much soccer you
play, I control your future, etcetera.
So that's definitely what they're trying to say with that.
I think, I don't know, maybe there was another reason she was
kicked off. I don't know.
I mean, I don't think other Alexdid anything wrong to deserve
being kicked off. But yeah, crazy woman.
Maybe she got mad at other Alex for some reason also.

(42:38):
Yeah, maybe. I guess like that, that part
wasn't clear to me. And then Alex Cooper is filmed
saying, oh, whenever someone is kicked off the team with no
questions, but then they keep their scholarship, that is
always a red, a huge red flag. But then it didn't happen to

(43:00):
Alex Cooper, or it did happen toAlex Cooper where the same thing
happened or no it. Did happen to Alex Cooper where
she, it sounds like she did not play soccer her senior year but
kept the scholarship. But just she was like, I refuse
to play for this woman. And they're like, OK, that's

(43:21):
your choice. You can keep your scholarship,
but that's your choice. OK, right.
Because then she had a conversation with the
administration and then the administration was like, what do
you want? Because we're not going to fire
her. Yeah.
Yeah, OK, got it. Well, that sucks because soccer
was like her whole life, and then she was like, what am I
even doing my senior year? Do you think Burr would have

(43:42):
played for the Olympics like thewomen's national team if she
continued soccer? Maybe.
Who knows? Yeah, I also couldn't tell.
Obviously she was a rock star atsoccer growing up and stuff, but
then I couldn't tell if she was the star also in BU because I
saw something flash up that was like, it was her First Division

(44:03):
one goal or something. When she scored that goal, I was
like, oh, maybe she wasn't the standout on the BU team, but
that's just because the team is made-up of all standouts.
I don't know. Yeah, hard to tell.
But who knows, I mean, it soundslike she wasn't really setting
herself up for any other sort ofcareer cuz you know, she was

(44:24):
saying like after I got kicked out, I didn't have anything.
I hadn't worked at any internships over the summer.
Like I didn't have any job prospects lined up.
And so that to me felt like she was planning to GoPro at some
point. Yeah, something.
I could think of. Yeah, that's kind of how I
interpreted it too. But yes, same thing with you.

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I was like, I feel like there were only two clips that were
shown to us of her actually playing soccer and she looked
decent, but also I'm not a soccer player, so I have no
idea. Yeah, great.
She would. She would have been the next
Megan Rapinoe. Maybe we'll never know, but now
she's Alex Cooper, host of Call Her Daddy.

(45:07):
That's true CEO of Unwell. Is she the Ceoi think so.
I think so, yeah. OK, one thing that I saw is that
some of the Alex Cooper haters are basically saying that Alex
is the daughter of a producer. So of course she got all of this
fame and success because she's aneppo baby.

(45:29):
Kind of. I don't know.
Hockey producer. Yeah, that's.
What I thought too, I was like. I don't know in media.
Yeah, exactly. I was like, it's not like he's
an HBO executive, but like Sophia's boyfriend.
Yeah, what? People just want a reason to be

(45:51):
upset. I think what what is clear is
that she had a very stable childhood with a very loving
family. Yes.
I think that is fair to say and definitely no hate.
I mean, she can't help her background.
Yeah, she's very good at what she does.
So why are people complaining? I think people just want to be
haters honestly at the end of the day.

(46:13):
Makes sense. Me too.
Sometimes I can be a hater. Got that dog?
But Speaking of her childhood, so the first half of Episode 1
was kind of all about how she was bullied as a child and that
drove her into her creative pursuits.

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And then the second-half was obviously about soccer, but OK,
What did you think of that, of that kind of story arc of her
being bullied as a kid? OK, well knowing nothing about
her at that point, I was like, oh OK.
Is that why she's overcompensated by like being

(46:57):
super sexual? Because she didn't get that
attention from boys when she wassuper young.
And so that's why when she like hit puberty and beyond, she
wanted to be like super sexual so that she did get that
attention. That's kind of how I interpreted
it. Oh, I love that psychoanalysis.

(47:19):
I think that's so. Isn't it possible?
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like you always
want when you you can't have, right.
And so, like, when you didn't have something in your
childhood, you, like, really overcompensate it in your
adulthood. Yeah, wow.
OK. I love that.
I think my take away from that was like, this girl is grasping

(47:39):
at straws for a hard back story,like a difficult back story.
I was like, oh, you were skinny,You were a redhead.
Yeah, I did think that, you know.
A little bit. Yeah, I was like, you know what?
Try bringing Kati Pogora to lunch to school, then see what

(48:03):
happens. Try dressing like your Indian
dad didn't let you wear rolled sweatpants to school.
Try putting coconut oil in your hair and not washing it out and
go to school. Then see what people say about
your red hair, Alex. Try being the only one on swim
team that was forced to wear a giant rash guard T-shirt to swim

(48:24):
practice because your mother wasthe only one that was worried
about Melanoma. Wait, that reminds me, in my
middle school gym class, actually when I was in middle
school, I actually didn't like wearing shorts for some reason.
I don't know why I just didn't. But in gym class, we everyone
had a gym uniform and you had towear shorts and you had to wear

(48:45):
a shirt. And the first day of gym class,
the, the coach or the like PE teacher is kind of just like
going through the rules and she's like, you have to wear
your gym clothes outfit every single day.
That means the shorts and the shirt.
And then she looked at me and she was like, you can wear long
pants if you need to. And then I was like, great

(49:06):
looking back on, I was like profiled.
Did she know that you didn't like wearing shorts?
This girl's thighs are ugly, no?I think she just assumed I was
Muslim or something. Damn teacher, what the fuck?

(49:26):
This was also Florida, so I never wore shorts to school in
Florida. Yeah, probably also another
signal. OK, OK, that that does make more
sense that context of like, OK, this girl never wears shorts
even though everyone else is. She probably doesn't want to
wear shorts. Yeah.

(49:47):
Whether it's a family thing or whatever.
I'm so funny though. She's like, not you though.
Yeah, I still don't know. I don't even remember why I
didn't like shorts. Honestly, I don't think I like
the gym shorts because I felt like they were too big for me.
I think we're just gonna like they didn't have a small enough
size. I was bug.

(50:09):
Baby Ruchi, you can't tell through this camera but how tall
I'm. 6 foot tall, call me daddy.I think another thing that's
very clear when we were saying like undeniable that she's a
great businesswoman, Undeniable,she's a great, great
interviewer. I think undeniable that she is

(50:33):
such a girl's girl if her day one best friends are still her
best friends. Yes, yeah, I agree with you.
It was so sweet that Lauren is still like, Lauren's still
working with her, Yeah. It's so true.
But I think that makes sense, especially like if she's on a
soccer team of women and she likes that because they're all

(50:56):
women and they're all supportingeach other, And then I think it
makes sense that she's like, that much of A girl's girl.
Yeah. A lot of criticism I've seen of
her is that people are like, oh,she's such a mean girl in real
life. And I don't, I just don't
believe that. Like she doesn't seem like a
mean girl. I think people I think it's fair
if people like find her annoyingbecause of how she speaks or

(51:17):
like what her content is but I don't think they can say she's a
mean girl. She has her best friends from
day one by her side still. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's true.
I mean, I think there's two waysof of thinking about this.
I think 1 is I felt like that was an agenda in the docu series
of Alex Cooper is not a mean girl.

(51:39):
She's actually really compassionate and nice, believe
us. And then I was like, OK.
And then the second thing, like,I feel like the docu series
really went out of their way to show that she was kind like
that. The example of the girl coming
up on stage and talking about her dad's cancer.

(52:00):
Yeah. I was like, wow, they.
Yeah, they strategically chose this clip to show.
Exactly. Yeah.
And then but the second thing isthat even Alex herself is like
at the very beginning of episode1 where I think that guy is
trying to leave or like things aren't falling into place as
quickly as they should have. And she's like, I don't know how

(52:21):
to tell people that this is not where we need to be one week
before our show starts. Because if I say anything bad,
people are going to go around belike, oh, Alex Cooper is a
bitch. But if any other man in my
position said that, they would be like, oh, he's a boss.
He's great to work with. So I think there is an element
of truth there. So who knows if the people that

(52:42):
saying that are saying that AlexCooper is mean, are just haters
or have never seen a woman in a position of power and influence
before. And that's why they are saying,
oh, she's aggressive because she's asking for what she wants.
Yeah, that's that's very true. I think that's a really good
point, that the people that are saying she's a mean girl would

(53:04):
not say the same thing about a man that acted that way.
Yeah, so valid. Yeah.
I, I'm glad they showed that clip, though, because I think
it, it really showed what goes through her mind.
I think. I think of her as this really
strong, very decisive visionary businesswoman that just like
executes on her vision. But I liked seeing that side of

(53:27):
her where she's like, agonizing about how to say something and
like worrying how she's coming off because I, I've just, I
never see that side of her. Yeah, but it was very
humanizing. And I was like, wow, I, I feel
that way in so many situations in my life.
Yeah, and I also think that likeleadership type pep talk that

(53:48):
she did with the whole group, I actually did find that really
inspiring. I was like, you know what?
She is a great leader and and visionary.
So yeah, undeniable. Even though there was an agenda,
it was a believable agenda. It was believable and I found it
really inspiring how she talked to the the guy that was trying
to quit. Yeah, when she was like, dude,

(54:11):
like, I cannot do this without you, but that's my name up
there. So if I need to go talk to
someone, like tell me who I needto fucking yell at because I
will do it. Like that's like it was kind of
empowering herself and also empathizing with him at the same
time. I was like, whoa, that's that's
so cool how she did that. And she just turned it around

(54:33):
and he was like, very hard to say no to Alex Cooper.
One scene that I liked with John, like John's issue or the
reason that he was walking away from the show, was he felt super
stressed out. It was a lot of work for him.
He was basically the sole personin charge of everything.
And that was also the reason whyhe couldn't go, but also the

(54:55):
reason why he didn't want to stay.
And I think after Alex and John had that conversation, they like
walked away from each other. And then someone was like, does
anyone know? Like John is like, I'm trying to
find the tape. And then Alex was like, don't,
don't ask John. Ask me.
I will tell you. I felt like that was a very,

(55:15):
yes. Strong leader side.
Yeah. Like not just delegate
relentlessly, but like be like, OK, there is.
An issue here my. Main goal is to get to the
finish line and if that means I have to do someone's grunt work,
I will do it. Yeah, I had a great leader.
Yeah. Or like the reason why John is

(55:37):
crumbling under the pressure is because he's the the central
node to this entire operation. So if I have to be the central
node for this entire operation so that John can get a break,
I'm going to do that. I was like, Dang, that's, that's
great leadership. Yeah, for for Alex Cooper, the
star of the show, to be going tolook for an old tape.

(55:57):
I was like, damn, like that. It's humble and so just so
humble. Yeah.
Yeah, I cannot imagine. I don't.
Well, we can't really compare her to anyone.
But who's a man that wouldn't dothat?
I think most of them, yeah, but Musk comes to mind.
Like, do you think if there was a guy who who was feeling burnt

(56:20):
out, Elon Musk was like, let me take on some of your tasks for
you. Absolutely not way.
Absolutely. No, yeah, yeah, I think the only
note that I have left is when they showed call her Daddy kind
of going up and down the rankings.
My favorite murder was there. I was like, oh, oh, it's now
third. My favorite murder was my intro

(56:42):
to podcast. So me too.
Special place in my heart. Oh yeah, yeah.
So I guess overall thoughts fromthe docu series.
There was there were definitely many agendas which is part of
the reason why Alex Cooper probably had a docu series to
begin with. There was like 4 main points

(57:02):
that were hit with like episode one, Part 1 episode, episode 1,
like second-half, episode 2, first half, whatever.
But we definitely did see some undeniable truths about Alex
Cooper, the person. So it was kind of good to see
that, that intro. I still don't know if I would
listen to the podcast itself unless there was a celebrity

(57:25):
guest that I really have a strong affinity to.
So Simone Biles, for example, the Kamala Harris interview, we
didn't really talk about that, but that's crazy.
Yeah, I did. I listened to that episode when
it came out, but I would say my main take away from that was
like, I don't think I needed to listen to this.
Like there wasn't very much. But I think I don't think that's
on Alex. I think that's just on just that

(57:47):
the type of content that Kamala was putting out at that time in
the election, I was like, this didn't really add anything.
Like all they talked about was stuff that we already knew.
I think maybe what would have been more productive was to like
hear about Kamala's back story alittle bit more, but instead it

(58:07):
was mostly about policy and her views on things, which is like,
we know this. You know, that is interesting.
Well, one thing that Alex did talk about in the docu series
is, oh, I know that Daddy Gang is bipartisan.
There's Republicans and there's Democrats.
And so I don't know how bringingKamala onto the show will kind

(58:29):
of affect that because she's tried to keep it apolitical
intentionally. And by bringing Kamala on, it
was kind of like this is might be thought of as a political
stance when it really was just more of women supporting women,
it felt. But that's surprising then, that
the episode itself was about herpolicies and not her as a

(58:51):
person. Yeah, it was kind of like, I
mean, the policies were all around women's body.
It was mostly about abortion with a little bit about like,
what would you say to women in this position or like women who
are trying to hold positions of power and stuff like that.
It was very short. It was 45 minutes long.
I think that was the whole interview.

(59:13):
And at the beginning of the episode, she did an intro by
herself. Alex did.
And it was it. It basically explained like I've
kept this podcast really a political.
I am not qualified to be asking Kamala Harris stuff about
foreign policy, stuff about the environment, blah, blah, blah.
What I am qualified to talk about is women's bodies.

(59:35):
And we have told the Trump campaign, if Donald Trump wants
to come on and speak about women's bodies, he's welcome on
Call Her Daddy anytime. So she said that from the
beginning. I think in an effort to be like,
I'm not choosing, I like this podcast is not choosing a side.
This podcast wants to talk aboutwomen's bodies and whoever wants
to come on and talk about that is welcome to.

(59:57):
So I, I thought that was a really interesting intro to that
episode. That is interesting.
But I, I guess now this is more of a political conversation
because I feel like you can't bea political anymore, to be
honest. And I think someone with as much
power and influence as Alex Cooper should be, especially

(01:00:21):
when it comes to how she is sucha women's rights supporter.
She's made her stance on abortion very clear, but she
continues to get her podcast to be a political, which I think is
an interesting choice, a strategic choice perhaps.
Yeah, no, that, I mean, I think that's a really good point.

(01:00:43):
I guess maybe the way I phrased it was wrong.
I think her intro to the podcastwas kind of meant as like a,
hey, look, we're giving both sides an opportunity.
This is the side that has decided to take up that
opportunity. And so like, I think she just,
she wanted to by saying that shewanted to avoid people being
like she's pushing Harris on us or something or like, you know,

(01:01:06):
or like pushing left wing agendas or liberal agendas.
And she wanted to make it clear that like, I'm not pushing
anything. We have invited him onto the
podcast. So I guess that, but I totally
agree with your point that when you have a platform that big at
a time like this where human rights are being taken away,
anyone with a platform that big should be speaking out about it.

(01:01:27):
And so I'm, yeah, I'm really glad she did.
OK. What are your overall thoughts?
As a Call Her Daddy fan, I did like the insight into her life
and her childhood and her college years.
And I think it helped piece together a lot of what I knew
about her life already, which I liked.

(01:01:48):
Like I'd heard a lot about her BU years and being a student
athlete and kind of her lifestyle and then had heard
about like her awkward teen years going through Accutane and
stuff. And so it was fun to kind of
piece those all together in one clear picture.
And I'd always wanted to know what happened with her Co host.

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And I felt like, well, obviouslythe they told a biased view of
it, but it was a good insight into also just like how Call Her
Daddy started and the story behind it, which I've never
really spent the time to look into.
So yeah, I enjoyed a lot of things about it in that respect.
I still think, like, they didn'thave to try so hard to come up

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with a harrowing back story for her as a child.
I think they could have very well just stuck to like, I was a
competitive athlete from day one.
Yeah, I stayed competitive and Iknow what I want and I go for
it. Yeah.
Without, like, trying to create a sob story around it.
But that didn't take away from my enjoyment of it, really.
So yeah, I liked it. What would you rate it?

(01:02:52):
I think I would created an 8 outof 10, yeah.
Wow. OK, I mean, I guess I'm probably
biased because I already was an Alex Cooper fan.
Yeah. And so this just kind of
enhanced it for me. Yeah.
I just love learning more about celebrities I already love.
But yeah, 8 out of 10. Wow, I guess I am a hater

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because I was going to say this is like a six out of 10 for me.
That's. Not that bad.
I thought you were going to say like 4.
No, no, no, no. Yeah, I think it was.
I think it was a good story. Like I said before, I feel like
I always feel an aversion when someone is like, this is what
you should believe. And I'm like, I have no other

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data points. So I felt a little uncomfortable
by that agenda that was being pushed on me without even having
any affinity towards Alex Cooperor like having watched any of
the episodes. I do have a respect for Call for
Alex Cooper, though. So I think that that much my

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perspective was able to shift a little bit.
But yeah, I, I think just, I think that's 6 out of 10.
I think. Yeah, it was.
That's fine. I just didn't like being told
what to think. Yeah, that's so fair.
That reminds me of how any time there is a true crime
documentary, I always look up who produced it, like the

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defendant or the victim. So I'm like, whose side of the
story are they trying to tell right now?
Literally all. There have been so many Jon
Benet Ramsey documentaries and I'm like, is this when we find
out all the other stuff? But it's always produced by the
Ramsey family. And I'm like, guys, I'm not

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going to watch another Ramsey produce documentary.
I did see a Jon. Benet Ramsey documentary on
Netflix that came out maybe like6 months ago or last year that
was produced by the Ramsey family.
Yep. Oh that's interesting because my
take away from that documentary is that they definitely did it.

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That's so funny. OK, to be fair, I did not watch
that one because I'd watched theprevious one that had come out
maybe on Hulu is like a Ducky series or something.
And then I watched the whole thing and then I was talking
about it with Jing, and she was like, that was produced by the
Ramsey family. And I was like, God Dang it.
Wow. I definitely.
Yeah. I mean, we don't have to get
into this on this podcast, but it's.

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Going to be our binge in progress.
Wait wait, sorry I missed that. What did you say?
I think. The Ramsey is.
I think so, too. I'm not going to whisper it.
It was the brother. Yeah.
You think it was the brother? It was an accident by the
brother. And then the parents covered it
up, right? Yeah, that's what I think too.

(01:05:47):
Yeah, but we can just say it outloud.
I don't know why we're whispering.
So we actually do some binge in progress?
Sure. I started watching the show
called Tires on Netflix. Wait.
Wait, what is the show about? It's about this failing mechanic

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shop. It's a very loose premise that
this guy, basically I think his dad owns the mechanic chain
stores and he is managing one individual store.
And in an attempt to like make the store be successful, he
bought so many tires because he got them on discount.

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But now he's stuck with the failing store and he's like
thousands of dollars in debt with the store.
And basically any scheme that they try to, like get more
people to come to their store always backfires in some like
stupid way. It's very like dumb man humor,
but it has it has some moments. All right, nice.

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Yeah, shout out to boyfriend Andrew, who originally started
watching it and then told me about it.
And I was like, that should lookstupid.
I'm not going to watch it. And then Netflix on like the on
Netflix on Instagram, like kept posting reels from it.
And I was like, maybe I'll give it a try.
And then I had a 5 hour plane ride with nothing else to watch.
So I watched a couple episodes from season 1.

(01:07:18):
Nice, the reason I gasped when you said tires was I for some
reason thought you were referencing the movie from like
2011 called Rubber. Oh yes, with the wheel.
About a tire. Yes, like an evil tire, right?
Yeah. It was like the main character
was a tire. I think when you watch that in

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college, you told me about it and I was like, why would anyone
watch that? I don't.
I didn't watch it, but Nico and Jing watched it and kept trying,
kept talking about it and tryingto get everyone else to watch
it. Yeah, I had the same reaction as
you. I was like, that sounds so
boring. OK, I thought you had watched
it, but OK, we have succeeded. We still haven't seen it.

(01:08:06):
Still haven't seen it. Great.
What are you? What are you watching?
I yesterday evening started the Ocean gate documentary on
Netflix called Titan the Ocean Gate something and I've watched
about I would say 45 minutes of it so far.

(01:08:26):
It's nothing that I didn't already know from watching so
many tik toks about it when it was happening.
Basically, the story is the story they've showed so far is
that the CEO, Stockton, what is his name?
Let's call him John. His first name is Stockton.
I just forgot his last name. Let's say Stockton.

(01:08:50):
He was a he was smart, but very arrogant, very charismatic, knew
how to talk to people so that they would believe everything he
says. Very akin to, you know, like all
of the charismatic assholes thathave been in charge of something
they shouldn't have been in charge of that we know.
And scientists warned him that things might go wrong.

(01:09:14):
And he, like, pushed the schedule and tried to cut
corners. And yeah, So that that's as far
as I've gotten so far. And tried to navigate a sub
using like a GameCube joystick. Oh yeah, What's the Sony?
Oh, PlayStation? I think it was a PlayStation
controller. Yeah.

(01:09:36):
I was like, this dude is just trying to flex like God, so
annoying. That was the wildest.
Part when that came out they're like, Oh yeah, also he's using a
PlayStation controller. Everyone was like.
Yeah, but I was, I was telling you about this this morning
where I think it does. And when it happened, and I

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think the documentary is trying to do this as well, it sparks an
interesting commentary on how the public views tragedies when
it happens to rich people. There were so many, you know,
joke reels about like that people are just making such
light of it because it was billionaires and they're like,

(01:10:19):
yeah, eat the rich, basically. And just not really.
I don't know, They they dehumanized it to a point.
So I think it's an interesting just in general, not the not the
documentary, but the this event that happened was, I don't know,
made me think about death and humanity and empathy.

(01:10:40):
Yeah, it's hard to feel happier.I so am.
You knew immediately what I was going to say.
I was like, you know what? All I'm saying is that none of
us could even afford to think about getting on a private
submarine. So.
But yeah, I I know what you mean.

(01:11:02):
I think what you're trying to say is that you are a kinder
than I am and a life is a life. My point is, you're a bitch and
I'm a great person. Point take for Luigi.
Oh yeah, I also finished Straw, the Tyler Perry movie.
I need to talk about that ending.

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