June 26, 2025 • 60 mins
🔍 This week on Binge Yap Repeat, we’re on the case with Dept Q on Netflix. We break down the brooding detectives, spot some surprising Game of Thrones doppelgängers, discuss the physics (and safety) of hyperbaric chambers, and thoroughly enjoy the charm of Scottish accents. Mystery and mayhem — come yap with us!
Series synopsis (from Google):
Carl, a former top-rated detective, is wracked with guilt following an attack that left his partner paralysed and another policeman dead. On his return to work, Carl is assigned to a cold case that will consume his life.
BYR average rating: 7.5/10
Number of episodes: 8 (~7h runtime)
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Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.And I'm Shalini and we're your
hosts. A binge, yap, repeat.
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We will be discussing lots of spoilers, so if you haven't
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watched the show yet, hit pause,go binge, and come back when
you're ready to yap with us. And now it's yap time.
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Hello, everyone. Hey yoppers.
How's it going? I'm good.
Great. I don't know if we have any
oopsie doopsies or funsie onesies.
Do we? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, I guess in case you didn't get to the oopsie
doopsie, you guys at 12 is not renewed for another season and
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my Google notifications like they keep sending me alerts.
They're like at wall is cancelled by the way.
And I'm like, I know stop sending me Google alerts about
this. I'm sad it's cancelled.
Yeah. The second season, yeah.
Oh well, today we're going to talk about Department Q, which I
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don't even know has the second season, but it sounds like they
will based on the way that it ended.
Yeah, they definitely set up fora second season at the end of
Season 1. Yeah, OK, well I'll just quickly
give an intro about Department Qand then we can start
discussing. Department Q centers around Carl
Mork, who is a former top rated detective who is racked with
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guilt following an attack that left his partner paralyzed and
another policeman dead. On his return to work, Carl is
assigned to a cold case that will consume his life.
Some other notable characters that we're going to talk about
are Akram, who is a Syrian cop who comes to work for Morg as an
assistant, Rose, another cop whohas PTSD from her own accident,
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and Hardy, Carl's partner, who was paralyzed from the accident
at the very, very beginning of of the episode.
There's also Merritt Lingard, who is the subject of the cold
case that they're working on, the lawyer who goes missing four
years ago. And then I also wanted to
mention the department cue. Do do do, yes.
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So the first episode of Department Q premiered on May
29th, 2025 on Netflix. It was created by Scott Frank
and Johnny Lacani and based on the book series by Danish writer
Juicy Adler Olsen. I didn't know it was based on a
book series. Yes, and also just quick fun
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fact, Johnny Lacani actually worked on Black Mirror.
Oh yes, comes full circle. Yeah, I think she worked on yes,
She developed episodes such as San Junipero and USS Callister.
Oh, that's a fun fact. Yeah, Department Q is a series
of 10 Danish Nordic noir crime novels by Juicy Adler Olsen,
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which have been adapted into an ongoing series of highly
successful Danish films and a Scottish television adaptation
for Netflix. Oh, OK, yeah, when I was when I
clicked on the Danish film The Keeper of Lost Causes, which I
think is the first one. It's the same story as the
Department Q season 1, Merritt Lingard, who goes missing and
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more ruffles feathers and is told to halt the investigation.
Oh, but his assistant's name is Assad in this 10 not.
Akram. I wonder.
Nope. Oh, but there's still a pressure
chamber. But this time, she's imprisoned
by a vengeful. Chef.
Named. Lass Oh OK my what is the
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residence? I am going to kill you.
Oh man, Well, OK. What are what were your overall
thoughts for for the show? I enjoyed it a lot.
I love me a British procedural every now and then and so I
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hadn't watched one in a while actually.
So I think I sometimes got burntout by watching British
procedurals. I'm like, OK, it's just another
case, another grizzly detective with a broken personal life and
too passionate about his job, etcetera.
But yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought the way that they laid
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out the pilot with kind of the parallel storytelling between
Carl and his life and then Meritand her life before she goes
missing and then revealing that hers was a flashback was so cool
and got me so hooked on the show.
The first episode before that reveal, I think it took me a
little bit to get into it. I think I was just on my phone
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or something. So I kept being like, oh wait, I
haven't been paying attention for the last 10 minutes and now
I have no idea what's happening.So I kept having to go back and
rewind. And so I was like, oh, I don't
know if I'm going to like this. But then the second that reveal
happened in the pilot, I was like, OK, let's go.
And then I was super hooked. Yeah, I feel the same way.
I feel like, well, I think for me, I normally don't like this
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kind of show. So your mom was the one who told
you about the show? Yeah.
So when you told me that your mom really liked it and that you
were like, oh, let's check it out.
And I was like, I don't know. And then I because I just read
the the Plot Summary and then I watched the first episode and I
actually felt like I was hooked after the first minute of the
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first episode. When Carly got shot.
Yeah. And then it's like a flash
forward. I was like, oh, OK, so this is
what the episode is going to be about.
And then let like when they started talking about Merritt
Lingard. And then it ended at in the in
the at the end of the episode 1 where it was like, oh, actually
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she is the person who goes missing and this is the cold
case. And this is how everything ties
into each other. I'm like.
Oh shit. So it was like 2, it was like 20
stab moments in the in the same episode.
So yeah, I, I think I also feel a little bit saturated.
I'm a little bit over the trope of like, rough around the edges
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British cop who doesn't give a fuck.
Like he just wants to solve crimes, but he's so good at
solving crimes that no one can say anything about his abrasive
behavior. But he actually has a heart of
gold within. I feel like so many tropes about
that. But yeah, I I once again was
suckered. I was like, it's different this
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time. Do you think you just think you
don't like grizzly detective shows but you actually just love
them? That's a good question.
No cuz there no I think I am over it now because I think the
first time around like I really loved Sherlock but but then for
this one I feel like his personality got a little
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abrasive. I felt like he was being really
annoying sometimes. So even like the character
himself I didn't really like. I only really liked him when he
started actually being a mentor figure for the other for Rose
and for for Akram. Basically so, but until that
point I was actually a very iffyon him as a character.
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That's fair. I watched for Akram.
Akram was. MVP dude.
This case wouldn't have gotten anywhere without him.
Well serious, he was the one that picked it so it really
wouldn't have gotten anywhere. But exactly.
The unsung hero Akram, They better fast track him to DCI.
Yeah. Which I, which I looked up,
stood for Detective Chief Inspector.
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There were a lot. Of asking, I did not know that.
Yeah, I was like, what does thatmean?
What does that mean? My parents watch a lot of
British procedurals. I would say any that exists, my
parents probably have seen and so a lot of times they'll just
quote things that they hear a lot on these shows and one
popular one is CCTV. Did they say that?
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In this in this show. Oh, you beg.
Say, say they I did. Like all of the Scottish
accents? The Scottish accents were fun.
I I don't think I watch very many things set in Scotland, so
it was fun to be in the world and hear the accents.
Yeah, I it was also very interesting because Carl is not
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Scottish. He's like English or something.
And then I in the subtitles, it would be like Scottish accent.
And then he was like kind of making fun of the Scottish
accent. I'm like, thank God Netflix put
these subtitles here because I don't know if I could have
picked that out myself. I did notice in one place when I
I guess it was part of the dreamsequence.
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I actually want to ask you aboutthis.
When he thinks he solved the theshooting, like when he got shot
and he goes to that mechanic shop or whatever, and then when
he approaches that guy that's working on the car, he switches
to a Scottish accent. I noticed that time, but I have
no idea. Were there other times when he
did that? Yeah, several.
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I did not notice. Wait, did you not?
Watch his subtitles. I did.
Oh, yeah. So when he, I think when he goes
to see Williams caretaker for the first time, there's he
adopts some Scottish accent in amocking tone.
I think the same for when he visits the police officer who's
in charge of more that guy. He also does like a fake
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Scottish accent. And then I'll, I think also with
his therapist, he does like a mocking Scottish accent.
Yeah. Yeah, didn't know.
But then they didn't actually talk about why he hates Scotland
or like why he hates being thereuntil like the second or third
time that he meets with his therapist and he's like, why are
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you even here if you hate Scotland so much?
And then he's like, I'm forced to be here.
Oh wow, that's terrible. I'm forced to be here.
Yeah, something like that. Why is he forced to be there
again? Because.
His ex-wife Victoria is a flightattendant who travels around the
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world and then she has a son whois his stepson.
Jasper. Jasper, Yeah.
So then he has to be like the model male figure for a Jasper
and not a brute Jasper. Got.
It got it. So that's where the heart of
gold comes in. She's like, why don't you just
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leave? And he's like, I have to be
there for Jasper. And then she's like, OK.
That therapist patient relationship was very
questionable. Well.
I mean it was like teed up to bea romantic relationship.
Yeah. So did she get divorced during
the time when they were doing the sessions?
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Because she definitely started with a wedding ring.
I think it was unclear when exactly it sounded like she was
having thoughts like at the wedding.
That's right, they had. So even if she was wearing the
wedding ring, it's unclear if she actually like was ever even
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married. Or yeah, maybe they like got
married for appearances and thenimmediately got divorced or
something. Or they are separated now, who
knows. OK, there is like a couple
bullet points that I wanted to talk about.
One of them was related to the main plot line.
It's just like a random questionthat I had.
OK. OK, so I wrote down ha so.
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Good question. Thank you.
Let me articulate, we thought was Sam Hague was not Sam Hague
and it was actually Lyle Jennings.
So there are two people who wentby Sam Hague.
But then why did Lyle say that he OK the Sam Hague thing is not
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important, but why did Lyle say that he loved merit?
So I think he was kind of obsessed with her.
Lyle. Yeah, I think he was, like,
truly obsessed with her and like, jealous of his brother.
And then he like relished the fact that she thought he was
someone else so that he could have sex with her.
Oh OK, I thought it may have been that Lyle just has multiple
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personality disorder or something and that he thinks
that Harry was in him and then that's why when he was putting
Merit back it was like Harry saying to Merit that he loved
her instead of Lyle. I don't know, I think if there
was some sort of like dissociative identity disorder
thing, they would have been moreexplicit with it.
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But I didn't really get that. I thought he was just obviously
extremely disturbed and abused as a child and as a result just
like had weird associations withlove and was like really
obsessed with merit. But then I read.
Then in the tape, we saw Lyle Jennings as a young boy, and
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he's like, oh, that guy who likekicked me in the eye.
That's Harry. And then the interviewer was
like, no, it's not. That was Sam Hague.
And then he was like, no, it's Harry.
And then he was like, but what you said when Harry died, he did
this. So you know that Harry died.
But then, before you met Sam Hague, you'd like didn't know
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that you didn't accept that Harry had died because
apparently, Elsa. Elsa, Elsa, Elsa.
Elsa on on Elsa. But yeah, but Elsa put them in
the hyperbaric chamber after Harry died but before Lyle went
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to God Haven so. Like yeah OK, I think this is
how I read it and I could be wrong.
So yappers, if you disagree withthis, definitely let us know.
This was my take that after Harry died, Lyle just
hallucinated him or like didn't because he obviously logically
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knew that Harry was dead but then saw him everywhere.
She was like, oh, he's still with me.
And I thought he just like hallucinated him.
And then when he saw Sam, who kind of resembled Harry, he just
projected Harry on to Sam. And then he was like, Oh yeah,
look, Harry's still here. And he couldn't put together the
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fact that because Harry died, that means he can't be here.
I thought that was it. But then why did Lyle kill Sam?
I don't know, because I don't know why he killed him, but I
don't think he thought he was Harry at that moment.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why he killed
him. Maybe he just wanted his
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identity, but he he had already.Fooled already, right?
Yeah, exactly. He had already assumed Sam's
identity before. Oh, was it?
Because Sam was going to write something about God Haven and he
didn't want him to write that. Remember when they meet at that
tape that like outdoor table at a food truck or something?
And Sam's like, hey, by the way,I'm sorry for everything in the
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past, but I really want to writesomething about God Haven.
Is that cool? And then maybe Lyle didn't like
that or something. Maybe I guess like this is this
is the issue is, is that I feel like they whenever they run into
this thing about like, oh, but why did Lyle do Lyle do this?
Oh, it's like, Oh, logically Lyle did this because X turns to
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Y turns to Z and that's why Lyledid it.
But then whenever they were like, oh, why would Lyle do
this? And it's like, oh, because he
just thought that like Harry wasSam or something like that.
I was like, what? So it was weird.
I think, like that whole thing with him, with him as a young
boy, the video of him as a youngboy was very strange.
And then also beforehand, where Lyle is like, putting Merit back
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in the hyperbaric chamber after she escapes.
That also was weird, yeah. I feel like he's a slave to his
mom, you know? OK, wait, actually before we get
to that, so I'm reading right now about why Lyle killed Sam
and on Reddit, on our slash Netflix, this user Steer Pike
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says that Lyle goes to kill the real Sam Hague at the Cliff face
to tie up any loose ends since he's been impersonating him.
So I guess that's why. But he'd been impersonating him
for a while, so I don't know whythat was the impetus.
I guess after he kidnapped Merit, then he wanted to tie up
loose ends because someone wouldhave come looking for Sam at
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that point because it would havegotten out that she and Sam,
quote UN quote, were sleeping together.
I see. Okay.
Which kind of is what happened. And then they're like, oh, Sam
died. Sorry.
Yeah. And then it took them so much
longer to to figure out that Samand Lyle had a connection.
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OK, OK, OK, that's fair. So I guess that makes more
sense. Does that line up with the
timeline? I also couldn't kind of like I
didn't really know what the timeline was, but it was the
case that Merritt disappeared before Sam Haig died, right?
Or was it the other way around? I guess it doesn't really matter
this. Other redditor Ruby Fenix says
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if I remember correctly Sam diedthe day before Merritt was
kidnapped but wasn't found untillater.
Lyle just wanted to get close toMerit, hence the sex.
I think before that he didn't have any interest in her
romantically or sexually, but hedid afterwards.
He was extremely obsessed with her and to an extent with his
own brother. OK, you guys, I can buy that.
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And then she or he, Ruby Fenix also says Lyle presumably calls
Ailsa immediately after Merritt left the hotel room, telling her
that she'd be on the ferry sincethe ferry goes to and from more.
All she'd have to do is get on, ride the ferry to the mainland,
meet up with Lyle, and go from there, since she lived on more
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anyway, and Lyle could likely get her on for free and easily
with his job. Oh, right, right.
Worked with the ferry. Yes.
OK, OK, good. OK, that makes sense then.
Cool. And then I had another plot
related question, science related question, I guess.
Why was Akram cool to just go into the hyperbaric chamber and
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like be like, hey, Merritt, we're here, we're going to get
you out no problem. Oh, then leaves the hyperbaric
chamber, no problem. And then they have to get the
portable hyperbaric chamber to transfer to transport her out.
Is it because she was just underpressure for so long?
Yeah. So she needed decompression time
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because she was under so such high pressure and then wanted to
come back to normal atmospheric pressure.
I think the big hyperbaric chamber had been depressurized
when Akram went in. So I don't think he entered a
high pressure. Chamber, I think the chamber was
depressurized by then, but then they just quickly remember they
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were like, oh, so we have a window in which to move her.
So I think that was the window. It was like, OK, now the chamber
is depressurized, but she needs to be put back in something high
pressure before she dies. So that was that.
That was the window that we saw was him coming and telling her
that she'll be OK and then they put her in the mini chamber.
OK. That makes a lot of sense
because I thought when they had stopped the lever, I thought
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that was them stopping the increase in pressure, so they
would just stop it at that pressure point and not actually
depressurize it. Oh, I assume they did because
there were so many people in there, like, yeah, yeah, I think
the door was just open, Yeah. So then the OK, so then the
series ends and Merritt Lingard is found.
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Still hasn't thanked Call Morganperson, but that's OK.
He's too gruff. It's fine.
He doesn't need it, doesn't needthe thank you.
He's too gruff. But then we still didn't get an
answer to the shooting. I was going to ask you that, OK,
Because I I was thinking to myself, before we find out that
that thing was a dream, I was like, oh, wow, I can't believe
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he solved his own shooting. That's great.
And then he wakes up and I'm like, so do those people not
exist? Like, what?
Yeah. Was that just a figment of his
subconscious imagination? I guess so an excuse to see the
hot therapist again. Yeah, he's like, oh, I had a
dream. The first dream in 20 years,
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finally. Yeah.
And then the series ends and he's like, well, what's the next
cold case? I'm like yours my guy, solve
your case. But he's not allowed to, right?
Yeah, that was the other frustrating thing.
Like, what the heck are these two other nincompoops doing?
Oh my God. Freaking frack.
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They don't know what they're doing.
Frickin frag. Every single time I I have to
assume that these are like days in between, he just pops by
their workstation, takes one look at the whiteboard and is
like, this guy went to McDonald's.
There's obviously 2 suspects. Have you even thought about that
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possibility? And they're like.
Oh come on, why are these guys so incompetent?
Yeah, like, what have they even been researching?
It's been days and he literally just picks back up where he left
off and is like yeah go check the McDonald's.
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Say, say Taving. Yeah, he was like, go check the
McDonald's CCTV and then they did, and then they found a
suspect in black and then they're like, OK, I guess we'll
just wait here until he comes byour desks again and tells us
what to do. Now what?
SpongeBob meme but yeah I was like Dang.
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I know that the their boss, who was the guy that kind of looked
brown but had white hair. Yeah.
I don't know if he had a name, but he and Moira had a final
conversation, but I kind of forgot what it was about.
Was it not about the case or? I think it was basically what we
just talked about where he was like, or she was like, do I need
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to take you off the case? And he's like, but I I like no.
And then she was like, do I needto put Karl Mork on the case?
And he and then he was like, youcan't do that because he can't
investigate his own case. Oh, yeah, yeah, this is the
order. She was like, do I need to put
Karl Mork on you? And then he was like, he can't
do that. He he can't investigate his own
case. And then he was like, she was
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like, OK, well then do I need totake you off?
And then he was like, no, yeah, right.
Yeah. I still didn't get an answer.
So I feel like there has to be aSeason 2, right?
Yeah, there's got to be. Maybe that'll be like the
overarching plot, kind of like it was this season, but just
still haven't found that murderer.
Yeah, but then I I guess there is so much source material that
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they could definitely make this a long running series.
But yeah, I really hate it when when TV shows kind of like draw
it out like this. Like it's his shooting has to be
solved and it looks like he can do it in like 2 episodes to be
honest. So just let him, let him cook.
Yeah, let him cook. Maybe the next season will be
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all about his particular shooting and it won't be about a
cold case that he's solving on the side.
Maybe. Maybe.
Hopefully. Well, yeah, I don't know.
I think the cold cases seem a little more interesting though.
That's what I feel too. Hopefully that thing never gets
solved. God let him work for half an
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hour. Just. 30 minutes.
That's all we ask. Just 30 minutes of a nine hour
long season. And he'll do it.
He'll solve it. Yeah.
It'll be great. And now that Hardy's back on the
case, Easy. Oh, do you think, remember when
Hardy comes back to the police station and he's like, oh, you
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have a case for me and Carl Cattle?
And she's like, no, just you. Do you think that's the
shooting? Oh, no.
But he was also a victim, so he can't investigate that case
either. We thought we were cooking.
Let. Me cook.
No, I can't. Yeah.
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What? What case would that be if it's
just him? I don't know.
I don't know why they made that a big deal too.
She's like, no, just you. And he's like, stop.
Me. Yeah, I was like, what's the
significance of this? Yeah, OK.
I didn't remember that. What?
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We got like 3 cases in season 2 then.
Yeah, presumably whichever 1 Carl is solving.
Yeah, their own shooting cold case called and Yeah, yeah.
And then third is whatever case that Hardee's put on.
Yeah, 3. Interesting.
Interesting. So did you recognize the actress
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that played Moira, Moaning Myrtle?
No, that's who played Claire. Claire Walsh.
I think that was Moaning Myrtle.First of all, fuck JK Rowling.
First of all, yes, JKR. But yes, that was Moaning
Myrtle. But the one who plays the boss
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at the police station? The lady.
No, I didn't. OK, she played Liza Aaron in
Game of Thrones, The Lady of theVeil.
I was like, for some reason I hate this woman.
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Why do I hate her? And then I looked up who she was
and I was like, it's Liza Aaron.Yes, you're right.
I when I first saw her I also did not like her at all.
She's the one. She was like nursing the 10 year
old, right? Yes, and then I had something to
say about that as well. After I remembered that she was
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Liza Aaron. I was like, Merritt Lingard
looks exactly like Robin Aaron. They just happen to look exactly
the same. Don't say.
I think it's not like no eyebrowwashed out sharp feature look,
you know what I mean? Look at that guy and tell me
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that's not Merritt Lingard. No, Oh my God.
That's merit. That's.
Not merit. You don't think so?
OK, look up Merit Lingard. Look at her face again and tell
it. Tell me.
That's Merit Lingard. Oh come on, they have the same
face. It's similar.
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It's similar it. Looks like Robin Aaron is in my
notes, but yeah, the oh, I forgot to say the Moaning Myrtle
actress is Shirley Henderson, and I think I've seen her in a
few things, actually. Oh, if she was in Bridget
Jones's Diary. Oh yeah, she is.
She was also in The Trouble withJessica and Trainspotting.
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Oh, and in Star Wars. She was Babu Frick in Star Wars.
OK, going back to the shooting of Carl and Hardy, I can't
believe neither of them died. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
That is crazy. I think if it sounds like they
were, it was a setup right from yeah, Anderson was kind of in on
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it was that. The other guy that got shot?
Yes, sorry, which is almost. Shot accidentally.
Yeah, exactly. It's like did he just not know?
Because confusing why PC Anderson would be like the one
setting them up but then is the only one that gets killed.
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But also, they weren't even supposed to be there, they were
just nearby. Right.
Yeah, I thought maybe someone was trying to kill PC Anderson,
like that was the setup and theyknew that he would be there and
they've been watching the house or something.
I don't know. But then they also said that PC
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Anderson was like touching everything and making super
rookie mistakes even though he was top of his class in the
police Academy. Oh, what is going on?
I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah. On this stray On this stray.
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We need Season 2 to unravel the mystery.
Paddle. My Scottish accent needs work.
Cavil. OK, the other thing that I
didn't really get first is the hat getting blown off the boat.
So I think this is at the end ofepisode 1, where Merritt and
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William are on the boat and thenMerritt just like throws her
phone into the ocean and then her brother William is like, me
too, and then like takes his hatoff and like throws it into the
ocean. And based on that angle, from
what we saw, it definitely lookslike the hat goes into the
ocean. But when Carl cattle, cattle,
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when Carl and Akram do the same thing when they're on the boat,
Akram's hat flies down to the car park.
So it's like, oh, the hat must have flown down to the car park.
But the angle that we saw the hat fly down to the car park in
Akram and Carl's scene is like very obviously that it flew
somewhere onto the boat. But when we saw Merritt and
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Williams scene, it's like it flew, it flew away.
So I was, yeah, I used by that. I think they, when they showed
the Merritt and Williams scene, they strategically didn't show
where the hat goes past like that frame, you know, But then
when they showed it for cattle and and Akram, they had it way
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more zoomed out so you could seeway more.
Yeah, I. Think that was the difference.
So I think we are supposed to believe that that when William
threw his hat, Merritt realized that it landed in the car park
and went down. Yeah, I think that's what we
were supposed to get from it. Yes, because later on there's a
scene of Merritt like picking upthe hat from the car park and
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that's where she gets nabbed. Yes, so I understand that, but I
I was just really confused by the initial scene because it's
not even like the actors went like oh and like looked right.
They just. Yeah, I think that.
Was yeah, they just like we're looking out there like, well,
it's gone to the ether. Well.
Definitely not in any car park where it's easily accessible.
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There she goes. Yeah, that was like.
Yeah, that was definitely misleading.
Yeah. So I was, yeah, super confused
by that. Yeah.
Because. Yeah, because I put my notes
were like, wait, why are they looking?
Like, why was there some such like, big significance around
the hat being blown off and it going into the car park when it
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obviously didn't go into the carpark?
And then I have a third bullet that's like, oh, she did receive
that hat in the car park in all cabs.
Yeah. Anyway, OK, cool.
Figure that out. Can we talk about roommate
Martin? Yes, baby girl.
Martin, baby girl. I loved him.
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He was so great. He was like his great.
I was at first confused about who he was.
I think probably because in the first episode I wasn't paying
very close attention. So I was like, oh, is this his
ex wife's new boyfriend? Like, I don't know why I thought
that he was kind of because he kind of was playing a fatherly
role to Jasper. So I was like, oh, is this the
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ex's new guy? But then I was like, no, this is
Carl's home. Cattles home cattle.
I was like, I guess they're justroomies.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't get anything other than
they're just roomies. They're just flatmates.
Yeah, but I love how Martin and Jasper were doing Tai chi
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together. That was really sweet.
That was so sweet, I loved it. And of course, Carl's just like
little. Ghetto.
Does not believe in Yeah shit, yeah.
Have you ever done Tai Chi? Before no, have you?
No, I was wondering if that was actually how Tai Chi was.
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I feel like that. It wasn't what it looks like
when I see old people doing it in the.
Park, yeah, but. Maybe those are real moves, I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
They're probably not called whatever he was calling them.
Yeah, he was like Girl on the Mountain.
Yeah, yeah. I was like, what is that?
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Oh, OK, I also wrote, I get so anxious when I see two people
who we know are being surveilledare in front of a giant floor to
ceiling window. So this is when when merit, when
merit and Sam Hague, who we now know is Lyle Jennings, I think
they meet for the first time in the the hotel room and they're
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just in front of giant floor to ceiling windows.
And you could see the lights outside in the rain pitter
pattering. And I was like, aren't they
like, supposed to be being tailed right now and surveilled?
And that's why Lyle Jennings slash Sam Haig told her in the
park to find a better place nexttime.
Yeah, and here they are outside,right next to a giant window
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where anyone could see them. Which?
Also didn't make sense because she often visited that hotel
too, we found out. Wait, why did she visit the
hotel? So she visited the hotel when
she had her rendezvous with Liam.
Oh right, I forgot that was the same.
Hotel slash, I forgot about the Liam thing.
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Yeah, yeah. Because then Sam Hague slash
Lyle Jennings was like, oh, do you come to this place often?
And she's like, yeah, It's like,what?
Wasn't that the whole point? There's that whole scene in the
park where he was like trying todo this front of like, oh,
pretend you're mad at me becauseI threw this litter away.
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And then she's like, that won't be too hard.
And then he's like, find a better place next time because
you visit this place too often. And then she was like, not going
to reply. And then she's on the same.
And then she's like. Yeah, actually everyone here
knows me so. Hey, why don't you just like,
come to my house next time? And then he's like, yeah, that
sounds great. So silly.
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I don't know. I don't know.
So I mean, maybe she went to that place because she was
always there under a pseudonym at that place.
So she like already had a setup to be a secret person.
Yeah. That makes sense, yeah.
Yeah, OK. So maybe that's why she had that
setup going and that's why they went there.
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But she still stood in front of floor to ceiling windows.
So even if they even if she was under a different name, if they
were being tailed, they absolutely could have just taken
a pot shot through the window. Absolutely.
Come on. Come on.
Come on. So I had a question about the
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dark cloud theory. But.
Yeah, did you pick up on that? I found an answer afterwards.
OK, I'm forgetting exactly when that theory came up and who was.
Talking about it, I think it came up in episode 2 or 3.
So Gabel was talking to you, wastalking to the police officer on
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Moore, and he said something about, oh, the dark cloud
theory. And then the police officer guy
was like, yeah. And I was like, huh, what is
that? And so I looked it up and
apparently the dark cloud theoryis just the the theory about how
Merritt's mom dies, because it'sstill a little bit unclear how
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it actually happens. So the account that, yeah, the
account that we get is that she goes off road in Glasgow and
then dies in an accident becausethere was a dark cloud.
Oh my God, my interpretation wasso different.
I'm so glad you looked that up because my, how I interpreted it
was that the more police officerjust had this theory that some
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families just have dark clouds over them and so bad things just
happened to them and not to other people.
And so he was like, yeah, of course Merritt would have been
the one to go missing because her family was under a dark
cloud. And that's also why her brothers
had got bashed in like the family.
Is it under a dark cloud? I thought that's what he was
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saying. Wait, maybe that isn't OK.
Let me read you word for word what it says.
The account that we get is that she went off road in Glasgow and
died in an accident due to what the officer mentions as a dark
cloud. So.
Maybe it's still a Dark World theory.
OK, OK. Yeah, maybe that is that.
OK, no, I don't like your theorya lot more because that's how I
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initially interpreted it too. But then I was confused as if he
was referring to the family as adark cloud.
I I think to be honest, I was not paying super close attention
during this moment. So maybe I also thought it was
like car that Carl being the reason why Carl is pessimistic
or something is because he has adark cloud theory or something
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like that. That's kind of how I thought of
it, but I like your theory. I understand.
I think your theory makes a lot more sense.
Okay. It's cannon her to here first
folks everyone. Else is like, it's so fucking
obvious. This whole episode, whenever
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someone listens to it, they're going to be like, all of these
questions are so obvious. This discussion is pointless.
You. Can't be like that.
Why am I even listening to this podcast?
Because everything in the show made perfect.
Sense I didn't even have any questions and I'm not learning
any new information. You know what?
(40:34):
We're not experts, You know, we're just two best friends who
watch an embarrassing amount of television.
We. Just want to talk about it.
The last thing that I did not understand was when it first
happened. So I think there's a scene where
Merit is masturbating or something and then Lyle was
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looking in and he's like, oh, this Russell is my Jimmy's.
And then he gives her a can of soda or something.
And then when she opens the airlock, they can explodes.
And so I was like, OK, I guess that's just due to high pressure
or something like that's why it just explodes.
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But but I was like, why would they give her a can if they knew
that that was gonna? I was confused by that.
Like obviously that would happento a carbonated.
Beverage. Yeah.
Like, if it was so obvious that that was gonna happen, why did
they do it? Yeah, I don't.
Know. And she's been in there for four
years. So it's not and and and Lyle has
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been in it. Since childhood, right?
FRO is an expert in that chamber.
Yeah, I. Don't know, that's a good
question. My read was that it was to show
the viewer how high pressure that chamber was.
Like that's the only reason. So I don't know if it was lazy
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writing. We probably misinterpreted it.
So I shouldn't, I shouldn't insult the writers.
So I don't know, but maybe it was lazy writing.
Yeah, OK. I guess that makes sense.
I don't know. I guess were there any, is there
any other thing? Because I was thinking it was
like Lyle was trying to reward her for like, you know,
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masturbating or whatever. Yeah, that might be true.
That might be true. He was like, yes, let me
incentivize this behavior so I can continue to watch her.
Yeah. But then it just like didn't
work because yeah. Because it was so high pressure,
which should have been obvious. Oh, or maybe that was the first
time, because I think that was the first time when the chamber
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started making weird noises, right?
So maybe that's when the chamberstarted failing, or the can
cause the chamber to start failing or something.
Oh, OK, OK. You just didn't expect it.
To. OK, Also question on the the
chamber failing. So what I what I read that as
was the overall thing was failing and there was a lot of
(43:12):
like high pressure, whatever. And then she just basically took
the pliers and just like broke the pipes so that her chamber
would become depressurized. But then as she crawled out of
the chamber, it looked like she was even under so much pressure.
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But then if she could do that, I'm confused about science.
OK. I think what happened was she
depressurized the chamber, she opened the portal went out, but
as she was leaving, the like decompression sickness was
hitting her. And that's why I like her eyes
started going red. Her her blood vessels were
(43:56):
basically exploding, I think. And so she was like, no.
And then and then they just put her back in and then fixed it.
Oh, OK. So that's kind of like the
window that we were discussing earlier.
Yes. So that's why she couldn't just
like. Leave exactly.
OK, I I thought that it was likethe entire room was under like
(44:19):
an an immense amount of pressureand like that's what she broke.
So like that's why her ear like slammed into ASAP and then she
was. Like a locked out.
Oh yeah, no, I think it was justthe tube thing that was under
high pressure and. Then OK.
Elsa was in normal normal. And a sign cattle.
(44:42):
Cattle. OK, All right.
So that makes that makes sense. And that's why that she had to
be in the portable hyperbaric chamber in the tube when she,
yes, left. OK, OK, that makes sense.
Great science, unlike north of North where you had flooding in
the second story room and nowhere else.
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Oh, wait, there was something I wanted to look up regarding
science. OK, Hyperoxia.
OK, this is something I had a question about that.
Don't ask me science. No, no.
OK, so you know in the recordingthat they play, they're like
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when the pressure becomes high enough, you may experience
hyperoxia where too much carbon dioxide enters your lungs or
something. I just looked up hyperoxia.
So I know hypoxia is when you don't get enough oxygen and so I
assumed hyperoxia is when you have too much oxygen.
(45:52):
I think they said that it was carbon dioxide.
But then I just looked it up andit says hyperoxia is oxygen
poisoning, a condition where tissues and organs are exposed
to high levels of oxygen exceeding normal atmospheric
levels. So why did they say carbon
dioxide? If they're recording, they said
carbon dioxide. Yeah, I.
Don't remember the recording saying that but I do remember
(46:14):
Hardy looking up the hyperbaric chamber and oxygen stuff and he
was like once it gets to 9 atmospheres then that's when
oxygen becomes toxic. Yes, OK.
I remember that too. So I don't know why the
recording said carbon dioxide. Yeah, OK.
Well, I think they got it wrong because I remember hearing it
(46:35):
twice that they say carbon, too much carbon dioxide in the
lungs, but that's hypoxia, not hyperoxia.
I see. OK, got it.
Good to know. Good to know.
If I'm ever stuck in a hyperbaric chamber, it doesn't
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matter if it's hyper or hypo. I'll die either way.
Equally fucked, but I'll know exactly how I die.
Oh, when did you suspect, I guess.
Did you have any theories about who the kidnappers were?
(47:15):
And if so, at what point did yourealize things?
I felt like it was going to be an inside job.
I felt like Steven Burns definitely was up to something
the whole time. But I didn't.
I didn't. Yeah.
I didn't understand the Harry Jennings, Lyle Jennings, all of
that stuff until a little bit later.
(47:37):
But how? When did you realize?
I wish I realized it sooner. But so, you know, in the first
flashback, I don't know if it was the first flashback, but
when you see Merit, like teenageMerit and teenage Harry smoking
in the living room and then the Lyle comes in and he's like, it
smells like sex. And then he gave Merit a weird
(48:02):
look. And I was like, what?
That was weird. Like, why did he why did they
show him looking at her like that?
But then I didn't think too muchabout it.
But then when he goes in and when he when modern day Lyle
goes into the chamber and like cries over merit and is like,
(48:22):
I'm in love with you or something, I was like, it's
Lyle. It's Lyle and his mom.
I also remembered them saying something weird about the mom,
like the mom being a little deranged or something.
And then I was like, oh, this fits the bill, This fits the
bill. Oh Dang.
Wow, OK, very perceptive. So I I thought it was an elderly
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woman because they kind of showed her a little bit and then
I just assumed that it would be an elderly man.
So I thought that elderly man was Graham Finch.
Oh. So I thought it was Stephen
Burns, Graham Finch, and I didn't really know who the woman
was until very late when they started exploring the Jennings
storyline. And then I was like, oh, it's
(49:08):
Lyle and his mom. Oh, OK, yeah.
But wow, very good. Thank you.
I also have two racist moments. Well, I guess 1 is not but.
Not I shouldn't. Call it racist moment, but I had
I had two moments. OK, well, I'll just tell you how
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this. Happened you already had one
with Robin and Merritt. They have the same face and I
will die on that hill. OK, so we kind of saw what
mother kidnapper looked like, right?
Like we saw that we she had a short grayish whitish Bob.
(49:51):
She was obviously an old lady. Then I think in the next episode
they finally showed Doctor Sonnenberg and she's also an old
lady with a whitish grayish Bob.And I was like, is that the?
Kidnapper. Turns out that wasn't the case.
(50:13):
Then we see we obviously know what fake Sam Hague looks like,
the one that was sleeping with well basically Lyle Jennings.
We all we already know what he looked like.
Then they show the flashback andI was like, hmm, Lyle Jennings
kind of looks like Sam Hague. And I was like, I'm probably
being racist again and I completely forgot about it, but
(50:36):
it was the same person. Yeah, actually when they showed
Sam and Lyle at the table, I waslike, I need to lock in right
now, so I know. I know literally all look same.
Well, that was the whole plot line because, oh, we know it
wasn't. I was just about to say the
police probably thought that too, but no, they never knew.
(50:59):
They saw a picture of the real Sam Hague, but it was like, it
was like this. And really, his face is kind of
obscured. Yeah.
So the audience was meant to think that the person rock
climbing was Sam Hague, so they were meant to look very similar.
The person rock climbing was SamHague.
Or, sorry, like the person rock climbing was Sam Hague.
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But we as the audience had knownSam Hague, Lyle Jennings before
we knew actual Sam Hague. So when we saw, when we saw the
picture, we were just like, Oh yeah, like guy with the scruffy
beard. I guess that's him.
Totally. Yeah, Were they intentionally?
Yeah, they intentionally like didn't really show what this
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picture looked like. Very personal, you know, like he
just kind of picks it up and andshow and brings it across and
then just gives it to to Carl. Cattle, cattle or to Akram, I
don't remember actually, but someone.
Yeah, yeah. So I think we're not supposed to
be allowed to zoom in and examine what that looks like.
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But I bet some people did. And if you did, you probably
figured it out way before we did.
Good job. But yeah, I wonder if casting a
young Lyle that looked like future Lyle, like almost exactly
(52:25):
the same, because I really thought they looked so similar.
But then I was like, Nah, I'm just being racist.
Well, OK, I also think that there's another actor who is an
American Horror Story, I think, who also I think played a Lyle
who also had blonde, blonde curly locks.
Do you know who I'm talking about?
(52:47):
Are you talking about Tate? Tate yes.
Oh, that guy. No, he's different.
Is he? I feel like that Evan Peters,
Yeah. But I feel like that guy, the
young boy who played Lyle, youngLyle Jennings, could have also
played a young Evan Peters slashTaitland Langdon.
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I thought he looked kind of similar.
Never just being. Racist.
I thought he kind of looked likethe guy who plays the older
brother in Bridge. No, not Bridge Terabithia, the
older brother in Chronicles of Narnia.
Slash also plays Sam in Love, Actually.
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Yeah, I see that. That kid.
Love Simon. Probably not a kid anymore.
No, not love. Simon Lovey.
Simon, Lovey, Simone Thomas, Brody Sangster.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I know.
I know what you're talking about.
It's just this small face, blonde locks, curly blonde locks
(53:56):
that style. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
British, British, Yeah. Scottish, Scottish cattle.
Oh there was 1 funny line that Iwrote down when Jasper and
cattle are talking and Jasper's like Mom fucked us both and
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Carl's like maybe there's another way you could put that?
I laughed at that too. He's like try again.
I think as abrasive as Carl was,he did have some good one
liners. Yeah, he did.
Honestly, cattle can get it. Yeah, Honestly, yeah.
(54:44):
Came around him in the end. OK.
I did not have any other things to talk about.
Me neither. Great.
Rating Time. Rating Time.
I guess I'll go first, OK. I think I would give this
(55:06):
probably an 8 out of 10. Yeah, I was really hooked after
the the reveal at the end of episode 1.
I thought it was really well done.
I have watched a lot of British procedurals in my time, and so
I'm always skeptical about how much I'm going to enjoy the big
reveal. And I was really impressed the
whole the whole season. So yeah, definitely 8 out of 10.
(55:30):
Really enjoyable. I feel like I'm always like 1/2
point lower than you because I, I was also thinking about it,
what I would rate this. Honestly, I'm, I mean, I did
like this more than I liked other British procedurals and I
definitely liked it more than I thought I would.
But am I going to watch season 2in order to find out the answer
(55:53):
to the shooting in like 2 years whenever it comes out?
I don't know, kind of depends onwhat else is out there.
And so I think I might give thisA7.
OK great, cool binge. In progress.
(56:14):
I started watching Straw the movie with Taraji P Henson.
Oh, how is it? It's very intense.
Do you know the premise of the movie?
I kind of remember that it's a struggling single mother, but I
don't know anything else about it.
Yeah, it's basically a struggling single mother who's
having the worst day of her life.
(56:37):
So I think it's straw because it's kind of like a series of
events that happens, and it's kind of like the straw that
breaks the camel's back. So I think that's why it's
called straw. But yes, it's very intense.
I haven't finished it yet. I'm only about halfway through,
but yeah, it's keeping me in. But.
OK. Very heart wrenching.
(56:58):
Nice. Yeah.
Bye. Bye.
I am watching Survivor again. I'm I'm about to become the
biggest Survivor fan, I'm prettysure because I've just mostly
been watching over my sister's shoulder, as I've mentioned on
this podcast. But now we are actually watching
a whole season. So we're watching Survivor 20,
(57:20):
which was Heroes versus Villains, and we just finished
the first episode. Who won heroes or villains?
Heroes won the first challenge, but then I think they lost the
second challenge and so yeah, they lost the second challenge.
Actually, we haven't finished episode 1.
We're at tribal Council for episode 1 and someone from the
(57:42):
Heroes tribe is about to get voted off.
OK wait, how do how do they determine villains?
Aren't these so normal people? They're normal people.
They're all from past Survivor seasons and it's, I think,
beloved people and hated people,but unclear whether it's beloved
by other survivors or beloved byfans.
(58:07):
I see hated by fans yes cuz villains normally are also both.
Yeah, yeah. So I was like, should I expect
to hate villains? Or maybe not.
Maybe only the other survivors hated these people, but the
viewers liked them, so I don't know.
Maybe he's just like villains oftheir season.
Yeah, yeah. Like how Corinne is like she was
(58:29):
definitely a villain of her season, but she was also people
loved her by fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So maybe it is just like the other Survivor contestants
thought these people were villains.
Yeah, interesting. Cool.
Yeah, great. I'm prepping for Survivor 50.
When does that come out? I think not for a while, maybe.
(58:50):
I think they just started filming.
So maybe four or five months. I don't know.
Six months. It's weekly episodes and there's
a bunch and the last season justended.
I feel like they really crank them out.
Yeah, there are two seasons a year, but they just released 48.
(59:11):
OK. And so probably like another.
Yeah, that's what I'm guessing maybe 3 or 4.
Yeah, that makes sense. That'll end.
Yeah, Yeah. Cool.
OK. All right.
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Hello, everyone. Hey yoppers.
How's it going? I'm good.
Great. I don't know if we have any
oopsie doopsies or funsie onesies.
Do we? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, I guess in case you didn't get to the oopsie
doopsie, you guys at 12 is not renewed for another season and
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my Google notifications like they keep sending me alerts.
They're like at wall is cancelled by the way.
And I'm like, I know stop sending me Google alerts about
this. I'm sad it's cancelled.
Yeah. The second season, yeah.
Oh well, today we're going to talk about Department Q, which I
(01:34):
don't even know has the second season, but it sounds like they
will based on the way that it ended.
Yeah, they definitely set up fora second season at the end of
Season 1. Yeah, OK, well I'll just quickly
give an intro about Department Qand then we can start
discussing. Department Q centers around Carl
Mork, who is a former top rated detective who is racked with
(01:57):
guilt following an attack that left his partner paralyzed and
another policeman dead. On his return to work, Carl is
assigned to a cold case that will consume his life.
Some other notable characters that we're going to talk about
are Akram, who is a Syrian cop who comes to work for Morg as an
assistant, Rose, another cop whohas PTSD from her own accident,
(02:19):
and Hardy, Carl's partner, who was paralyzed from the accident
at the very, very beginning of of the episode.
There's also Merritt Lingard, who is the subject of the cold
case that they're working on, the lawyer who goes missing four
years ago. And then I also wanted to
mention the department cue. Do do do, yes.
(02:39):
So the first episode of Department Q premiered on May
29th, 2025 on Netflix. It was created by Scott Frank
and Johnny Lacani and based on the book series by Danish writer
Juicy Adler Olsen. I didn't know it was based on a
book series. Yes, and also just quick fun
(03:03):
fact, Johnny Lacani actually worked on Black Mirror.
Oh yes, comes full circle. Yeah, I think she worked on yes,
She developed episodes such as San Junipero and USS Callister.
Oh, that's a fun fact. Yeah, Department Q is a series
of 10 Danish Nordic noir crime novels by Juicy Adler Olsen,
(03:27):
which have been adapted into an ongoing series of highly
successful Danish films and a Scottish television adaptation
for Netflix. Oh, OK, yeah, when I was when I
clicked on the Danish film The Keeper of Lost Causes, which I
think is the first one. It's the same story as the
Department Q season 1, Merritt Lingard, who goes missing and
(03:53):
more ruffles feathers and is told to halt the investigation.
Oh, but his assistant's name is Assad in this 10 not.
Akram. I wonder.
Nope. Oh, but there's still a pressure
chamber. But this time, she's imprisoned
by a vengeful. Chef.
Named. Lass Oh OK my what is the
(04:16):
residence? I am going to kill you.
Oh man, Well, OK. What are what were your overall
thoughts for for the show? I enjoyed it a lot.
I love me a British procedural every now and then and so I
(04:39):
hadn't watched one in a while actually.
So I think I sometimes got burntout by watching British
procedurals. I'm like, OK, it's just another
case, another grizzly detective with a broken personal life and
too passionate about his job, etcetera.
But yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought the way that they laid
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out the pilot with kind of the parallel storytelling between
Carl and his life and then Meritand her life before she goes
missing and then revealing that hers was a flashback was so cool
and got me so hooked on the show.
The first episode before that reveal, I think it took me a
little bit to get into it. I think I was just on my phone
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or something. So I kept being like, oh wait, I
haven't been paying attention for the last 10 minutes and now
I have no idea what's happening.So I kept having to go back and
rewind. And so I was like, oh, I don't
know if I'm going to like this. But then the second that reveal
happened in the pilot, I was like, OK, let's go.
And then I was super hooked. Yeah, I feel the same way.
I feel like, well, I think for me, I normally don't like this
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kind of show. So your mom was the one who told
you about the show? Yeah.
So when you told me that your mom really liked it and that you
were like, oh, let's check it out.
And I was like, I don't know. And then I because I just read
the the Plot Summary and then I watched the first episode and I
actually felt like I was hooked after the first minute of the
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first episode. When Carly got shot.
Yeah. And then it's like a flash
forward. I was like, oh, OK, so this is
what the episode is going to be about.
And then let like when they started talking about Merritt
Lingard. And then it ended at in the in
the at the end of the episode 1 where it was like, oh, actually
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she is the person who goes missing and this is the cold
case. And this is how everything ties
into each other. I'm like.
Oh shit. So it was like 2, it was like 20
stab moments in the in the same episode.
So yeah, I, I think I also feel a little bit saturated.
I'm a little bit over the trope of like, rough around the edges
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British cop who doesn't give a fuck.
Like he just wants to solve crimes, but he's so good at
solving crimes that no one can say anything about his abrasive
behavior. But he actually has a heart of
gold within. I feel like so many tropes about
that. But yeah, I I once again was
suckered. I was like, it's different this
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time. Do you think you just think you
don't like grizzly detective shows but you actually just love
them? That's a good question.
No cuz there no I think I am over it now because I think the
first time around like I really loved Sherlock but but then for
this one I feel like his personality got a little
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abrasive. I felt like he was being really
annoying sometimes. So even like the character
himself I didn't really like. I only really liked him when he
started actually being a mentor figure for the other for Rose
and for for Akram. Basically so, but until that
point I was actually a very iffyon him as a character.
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That's fair. I watched for Akram.
Akram was. MVP dude.
This case wouldn't have gotten anywhere without him.
Well serious, he was the one that picked it so it really
wouldn't have gotten anywhere. But exactly.
The unsung hero Akram, They better fast track him to DCI.
Yeah. Which I, which I looked up,
stood for Detective Chief Inspector.
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There were a lot. Of asking, I did not know that.
Yeah, I was like, what does thatmean?
What does that mean? My parents watch a lot of
British procedurals. I would say any that exists, my
parents probably have seen and so a lot of times they'll just
quote things that they hear a lot on these shows and one
popular one is CCTV. Did they say that?
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In this in this show. Oh, you beg.
Say, say they I did. Like all of the Scottish
accents? The Scottish accents were fun.
I I don't think I watch very many things set in Scotland, so
it was fun to be in the world and hear the accents.
Yeah, I it was also very interesting because Carl is not
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Scottish. He's like English or something.
And then I in the subtitles, it would be like Scottish accent.
And then he was like kind of making fun of the Scottish
accent. I'm like, thank God Netflix put
these subtitles here because I don't know if I could have
picked that out myself. I did notice in one place when I
I guess it was part of the dreamsequence.
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I actually want to ask you aboutthis.
When he thinks he solved the theshooting, like when he got shot
and he goes to that mechanic shop or whatever, and then when
he approaches that guy that's working on the car, he switches
to a Scottish accent. I noticed that time, but I have
no idea. Were there other times when he
did that? Yeah, several.
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I did not notice. Wait, did you not?
Watch his subtitles. I did.
Oh, yeah. So when he, I think when he goes
to see Williams caretaker for the first time, there's he
adopts some Scottish accent in amocking tone.
I think the same for when he visits the police officer who's
in charge of more that guy. He also does like a fake
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Scottish accent. And then I'll, I think also with
his therapist, he does like a mocking Scottish accent.
Yeah. Yeah, didn't know.
But then they didn't actually talk about why he hates Scotland
or like why he hates being thereuntil like the second or third
time that he meets with his therapist and he's like, why are
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you even here if you hate Scotland so much?
And then he's like, I'm forced to be here.
Oh wow, that's terrible. I'm forced to be here.
Yeah, something like that. Why is he forced to be there
again? Because.
His ex-wife Victoria is a flightattendant who travels around the
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world and then she has a son whois his stepson.
Jasper. Jasper, Yeah.
So then he has to be like the model male figure for a Jasper
and not a brute Jasper. Got.
It got it. So that's where the heart of
gold comes in. She's like, why don't you just
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leave? And he's like, I have to be
there for Jasper. And then she's like, OK.
That therapist patient relationship was very
questionable. Well.
I mean it was like teed up to bea romantic relationship.
Yeah. So did she get divorced during
the time when they were doing the sessions?
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Because she definitely started with a wedding ring.
I think it was unclear when exactly it sounded like she was
having thoughts like at the wedding.
That's right, they had. So even if she was wearing the
wedding ring, it's unclear if she actually like was ever even
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married. Or yeah, maybe they like got
married for appearances and thenimmediately got divorced or
something. Or they are separated now, who
knows. OK, there is like a couple
bullet points that I wanted to talk about.
One of them was related to the main plot line.
It's just like a random questionthat I had.
OK. OK, so I wrote down ha so.
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Good question. Thank you.
Let me articulate, we thought was Sam Hague was not Sam Hague
and it was actually Lyle Jennings.
So there are two people who wentby Sam Hague.
But then why did Lyle say that he OK the Sam Hague thing is not
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important, but why did Lyle say that he loved merit?
So I think he was kind of obsessed with her.
Lyle. Yeah, I think he was, like,
truly obsessed with her and like, jealous of his brother.
And then he like relished the fact that she thought he was
someone else so that he could have sex with her.
Oh OK, I thought it may have been that Lyle just has multiple
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personality disorder or something and that he thinks
that Harry was in him and then that's why when he was putting
Merit back it was like Harry saying to Merit that he loved
her instead of Lyle. I don't know, I think if there
was some sort of like dissociative identity disorder
thing, they would have been moreexplicit with it.
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But I didn't really get that. I thought he was just obviously
extremely disturbed and abused as a child and as a result just
like had weird associations withlove and was like really
obsessed with merit. But then I read.
Then in the tape, we saw Lyle Jennings as a young boy, and
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he's like, oh, that guy who likekicked me in the eye.
That's Harry. And then the interviewer was
like, no, it's not. That was Sam Hague.
And then he was like, no, it's Harry.
And then he was like, but what you said when Harry died, he did
this. So you know that Harry died.
But then, before you met Sam Hague, you'd like didn't know
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that you didn't accept that Harry had died because
apparently, Elsa. Elsa, Elsa, Elsa.
Elsa on on Elsa. But yeah, but Elsa put them in
the hyperbaric chamber after Harry died but before Lyle went
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to God Haven so. Like yeah OK, I think this is
how I read it and I could be wrong.
So yappers, if you disagree withthis, definitely let us know.
This was my take that after Harry died, Lyle just
hallucinated him or like didn't because he obviously logically
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knew that Harry was dead but then saw him everywhere.
She was like, oh, he's still with me.
And I thought he just like hallucinated him.
And then when he saw Sam, who kind of resembled Harry, he just
projected Harry on to Sam. And then he was like, Oh yeah,
look, Harry's still here. And he couldn't put together the
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fact that because Harry died, that means he can't be here.
I thought that was it. But then why did Lyle kill Sam?
I don't know, because I don't know why he killed him, but I
don't think he thought he was Harry at that moment.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why he killed
him. Maybe he just wanted his
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identity, but he he had already.Fooled already, right?
Yeah, exactly. He had already assumed Sam's
identity before. Oh, was it?
Because Sam was going to write something about God Haven and he
didn't want him to write that. Remember when they meet at that
tape that like outdoor table at a food truck or something?
And Sam's like, hey, by the way,I'm sorry for everything in the
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past, but I really want to writesomething about God Haven.
Is that cool? And then maybe Lyle didn't like
that or something. Maybe I guess like this is this
is the issue is, is that I feel like they whenever they run into
this thing about like, oh, but why did Lyle do Lyle do this?
Oh, it's like, Oh, logically Lyle did this because X turns to
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Y turns to Z and that's why Lyledid it.
But then whenever they were like, oh, why would Lyle do
this? And it's like, oh, because he
just thought that like Harry wasSam or something like that.
I was like, what? So it was weird.
I think, like that whole thing with him, with him as a young
boy, the video of him as a youngboy was very strange.
And then also beforehand, where Lyle is like, putting Merit back
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in the hyperbaric chamber after she escapes.
That also was weird, yeah. I feel like he's a slave to his
mom, you know? OK, wait, actually before we get
to that, so I'm reading right now about why Lyle killed Sam
and on Reddit, on our slash Netflix, this user Steer Pike
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says that Lyle goes to kill the real Sam Hague at the Cliff face
to tie up any loose ends since he's been impersonating him.
So I guess that's why. But he'd been impersonating him
for a while, so I don't know whythat was the impetus.
I guess after he kidnapped Merit, then he wanted to tie up
loose ends because someone wouldhave come looking for Sam at
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that point because it would havegotten out that she and Sam,
quote UN quote, were sleeping together.
I see. Okay.
Which kind of is what happened. And then they're like, oh, Sam
died. Sorry.
Yeah. And then it took them so much
longer to to figure out that Samand Lyle had a connection.
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OK, OK, OK, that's fair. So I guess that makes more
sense. Does that line up with the
timeline? I also couldn't kind of like I
didn't really know what the timeline was, but it was the
case that Merritt disappeared before Sam Haig died, right?
Or was it the other way around? I guess it doesn't really matter
this. Other redditor Ruby Fenix says
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if I remember correctly Sam diedthe day before Merritt was
kidnapped but wasn't found untillater.
Lyle just wanted to get close toMerit, hence the sex.
I think before that he didn't have any interest in her
romantically or sexually, but hedid afterwards.
He was extremely obsessed with her and to an extent with his
own brother. OK, you guys, I can buy that.
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And then she or he, Ruby Fenix also says Lyle presumably calls
Ailsa immediately after Merritt left the hotel room, telling her
that she'd be on the ferry sincethe ferry goes to and from more.
All she'd have to do is get on, ride the ferry to the mainland,
meet up with Lyle, and go from there, since she lived on more
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anyway, and Lyle could likely get her on for free and easily
with his job. Oh, right, right.
Worked with the ferry. Yes.
OK, OK, good. OK, that makes sense then.
Cool. And then I had another plot
related question, science related question, I guess.
Why was Akram cool to just go into the hyperbaric chamber and
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like be like, hey, Merritt, we're here, we're going to get
you out no problem. Oh, then leaves the hyperbaric
chamber, no problem. And then they have to get the
portable hyperbaric chamber to transfer to transport her out.
Is it because she was just underpressure for so long?
Yeah. So she needed decompression time
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because she was under so such high pressure and then wanted to
come back to normal atmospheric pressure.
I think the big hyperbaric chamber had been depressurized
when Akram went in. So I don't think he entered a
high pressure. Chamber, I think the chamber was
depressurized by then, but then they just quickly remember they
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were like, oh, so we have a window in which to move her.
So I think that was the window. It was like, OK, now the chamber
is depressurized, but she needs to be put back in something high
pressure before she dies. So that was that.
That was the window that we saw was him coming and telling her
that she'll be OK and then they put her in the mini chamber.
OK. That makes a lot of sense
because I thought when they had stopped the lever, I thought
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that was them stopping the increase in pressure, so they
would just stop it at that pressure point and not actually
depressurize it. Oh, I assume they did because
there were so many people in there, like, yeah, yeah, I think
the door was just open, Yeah. So then the OK, so then the
series ends and Merritt Lingard is found.
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Still hasn't thanked Call Morganperson, but that's OK.
He's too gruff. It's fine.
He doesn't need it, doesn't needthe thank you.
He's too gruff. But then we still didn't get an
answer to the shooting. I was going to ask you that, OK,
Because I I was thinking to myself, before we find out that
that thing was a dream, I was like, oh, wow, I can't believe
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he solved his own shooting. That's great.
And then he wakes up and I'm like, so do those people not
exist? Like, what?
Yeah. Was that just a figment of his
subconscious imagination? I guess so an excuse to see the
hot therapist again. Yeah, he's like, oh, I had a
dream. The first dream in 20 years,
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finally. Yeah.
And then the series ends and he's like, well, what's the next
cold case? I'm like yours my guy, solve
your case. But he's not allowed to, right?
Yeah, that was the other frustrating thing.
Like, what the heck are these two other nincompoops doing?
Oh my God. Freaking frack.
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They don't know what they're doing.
Frickin frag. Every single time I I have to
assume that these are like days in between, he just pops by
their workstation, takes one look at the whiteboard and is
like, this guy went to McDonald's.
There's obviously 2 suspects. Have you even thought about that
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possibility? And they're like.
Oh come on, why are these guys so incompetent?
Yeah, like, what have they even been researching?
It's been days and he literally just picks back up where he left
off and is like yeah go check the McDonald's.
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Say, say Taving. Yeah, he was like, go check the
McDonald's CCTV and then they did, and then they found a
suspect in black and then they're like, OK, I guess we'll
just wait here until he comes byour desks again and tells us
what to do. Now what?
SpongeBob meme but yeah I was like Dang.
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I know that the their boss, who was the guy that kind of looked
brown but had white hair. Yeah.
I don't know if he had a name, but he and Moira had a final
conversation, but I kind of forgot what it was about.
Was it not about the case or? I think it was basically what we
just talked about where he was like, or she was like, do I need
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to take you off the case? And he's like, but I I like no.
And then she was like, do I needto put Karl Mork on the case?
And he and then he was like, youcan't do that because he can't
investigate his own case. Oh, yeah, yeah, this is the
order. She was like, do I need to put
Karl Mork on you? And then he was like, he can't
do that. He he can't investigate his own
case. And then he was like, she was
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like, OK, well then do I need totake you off?
And then he was like, no, yeah, right.
Yeah. I still didn't get an answer.
So I feel like there has to be aSeason 2, right?
Yeah, there's got to be. Maybe that'll be like the
overarching plot, kind of like it was this season, but just
still haven't found that murderer.
Yeah, but then I I guess there is so much source material that
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they could definitely make this a long running series.
But yeah, I really hate it when when TV shows kind of like draw
it out like this. Like it's his shooting has to be
solved and it looks like he can do it in like 2 episodes to be
honest. So just let him, let him cook.
Yeah, let him cook. Maybe the next season will be
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all about his particular shooting and it won't be about a
cold case that he's solving on the side.
Maybe. Maybe.
Hopefully. Well, yeah, I don't know.
I think the cold cases seem a little more interesting though.
That's what I feel too. Hopefully that thing never gets
solved. God let him work for half an
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hour. Just. 30 minutes.
That's all we ask. Just 30 minutes of a nine hour
long season. And he'll do it.
He'll solve it. Yeah.
It'll be great. And now that Hardy's back on the
case, Easy. Oh, do you think, remember when
Hardy comes back to the police station and he's like, oh, you
(25:34):
have a case for me and Carl Cattle?
And she's like, no, just you. Do you think that's the
shooting? Oh, no.
But he was also a victim, so he can't investigate that case
either. We thought we were cooking.
Let. Me cook.
No, I can't. Yeah.
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What? What case would that be if it's
just him? I don't know.
I don't know why they made that a big deal too.
She's like, no, just you. And he's like, stop.
Me. Yeah, I was like, what's the
significance of this? Yeah, OK.
I didn't remember that. What?
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We got like 3 cases in season 2 then.
Yeah, presumably whichever 1 Carl is solving.
Yeah, their own shooting cold case called and Yeah, yeah.
And then third is whatever case that Hardee's put on.
Yeah, 3. Interesting.
Interesting. So did you recognize the actress
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that played Moira, Moaning Myrtle?
No, that's who played Claire. Claire Walsh.
I think that was Moaning Myrtle.First of all, fuck JK Rowling.
First of all, yes, JKR. But yes, that was Moaning
Myrtle. But the one who plays the boss
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at the police station? The lady.
No, I didn't. OK, she played Liza Aaron in
Game of Thrones, The Lady of theVeil.
I was like, for some reason I hate this woman.
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Why do I hate her? And then I looked up who she was
and I was like, it's Liza Aaron.Yes, you're right.
I when I first saw her I also did not like her at all.
She's the one. She was like nursing the 10 year
old, right? Yes, and then I had something to
say about that as well. After I remembered that she was
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Liza Aaron. I was like, Merritt Lingard
looks exactly like Robin Aaron. They just happen to look exactly
the same. Don't say.
I think it's not like no eyebrowwashed out sharp feature look,
you know what I mean? Look at that guy and tell me
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that's not Merritt Lingard. No, Oh my God.
That's merit. That's.
Not merit. You don't think so?
OK, look up Merit Lingard. Look at her face again and tell
it. Tell me.
That's Merit Lingard. Oh come on, they have the same
face. It's similar.
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It's similar it. Looks like Robin Aaron is in my
notes, but yeah, the oh, I forgot to say the Moaning Myrtle
actress is Shirley Henderson, and I think I've seen her in a
few things, actually. Oh, if she was in Bridget
Jones's Diary. Oh yeah, she is.
She was also in The Trouble withJessica and Trainspotting.
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Oh, and in Star Wars. She was Babu Frick in Star Wars.
OK, going back to the shooting of Carl and Hardy, I can't
believe neither of them died. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
That is crazy. I think if it sounds like they
were, it was a setup right from yeah, Anderson was kind of in on
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it was that. The other guy that got shot?
Yes, sorry, which is almost. Shot accidentally.
Yeah, exactly. It's like did he just not know?
Because confusing why PC Anderson would be like the one
setting them up but then is the only one that gets killed.
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But also, they weren't even supposed to be there, they were
just nearby. Right.
Yeah, I thought maybe someone was trying to kill PC Anderson,
like that was the setup and theyknew that he would be there and
they've been watching the house or something.
I don't know. But then they also said that PC
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Anderson was like touching everything and making super
rookie mistakes even though he was top of his class in the
police Academy. Oh, what is going on?
I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah. On this stray On this stray.
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We need Season 2 to unravel the mystery.
Paddle. My Scottish accent needs work.
Cavil. OK, the other thing that I
didn't really get first is the hat getting blown off the boat.
So I think this is at the end ofepisode 1, where Merritt and
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William are on the boat and thenMerritt just like throws her
phone into the ocean and then her brother William is like, me
too, and then like takes his hatoff and like throws it into the
ocean. And based on that angle, from
what we saw, it definitely lookslike the hat goes into the
ocean. But when Carl cattle, cattle,
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when Carl and Akram do the same thing when they're on the boat,
Akram's hat flies down to the car park.
So it's like, oh, the hat must have flown down to the car park.
But the angle that we saw the hat fly down to the car park in
Akram and Carl's scene is like very obviously that it flew
somewhere onto the boat. But when we saw Merritt and
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Williams scene, it's like it flew, it flew away.
So I was, yeah, I used by that. I think they, when they showed
the Merritt and Williams scene, they strategically didn't show
where the hat goes past like that frame, you know, But then
when they showed it for cattle and and Akram, they had it way
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more zoomed out so you could seeway more.
Yeah, I. Think that was the difference.
So I think we are supposed to believe that that when William
threw his hat, Merritt realized that it landed in the car park
and went down. Yeah, I think that's what we
were supposed to get from it. Yes, because later on there's a
scene of Merritt like picking upthe hat from the car park and
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that's where she gets nabbed. Yes, so I understand that, but I
I was just really confused by the initial scene because it's
not even like the actors went like oh and like looked right.
They just. Yeah, I think that.
Was yeah, they just like we're looking out there like, well,
it's gone to the ether. Well.
Definitely not in any car park where it's easily accessible.
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There she goes. Yeah, that was like.
Yeah, that was definitely misleading.
Yeah. So I was, yeah, super confused
by that. Yeah.
Because. Yeah, because I put my notes
were like, wait, why are they looking?
Like, why was there some such like, big significance around
the hat being blown off and it going into the car park when it
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obviously didn't go into the carpark?
And then I have a third bullet that's like, oh, she did receive
that hat in the car park in all cabs.
Yeah. Anyway, OK, cool.
Figure that out. Can we talk about roommate
Martin? Yes, baby girl.
Martin, baby girl. I loved him.
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He was so great. He was like his great.
I was at first confused about who he was.
I think probably because in the first episode I wasn't paying
very close attention. So I was like, oh, is this his
ex wife's new boyfriend? Like, I don't know why I thought
that he was kind of because he kind of was playing a fatherly
role to Jasper. So I was like, oh, is this the
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ex's new guy? But then I was like, no, this is
Carl's home. Cattles home cattle.
I was like, I guess they're justroomies.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't get anything other than
they're just roomies. They're just flatmates.
Yeah, but I love how Martin and Jasper were doing Tai chi
(34:06):
together. That was really sweet.
That was so sweet, I loved it. And of course, Carl's just like
little. Ghetto.
Does not believe in Yeah shit, yeah.
Have you ever done Tai Chi? Before no, have you?
No, I was wondering if that was actually how Tai Chi was.
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I feel like that. It wasn't what it looks like
when I see old people doing it in the.
Park, yeah, but. Maybe those are real moves, I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
They're probably not called whatever he was calling them.
Yeah, he was like Girl on the Mountain.
Yeah, yeah. I was like, what is that?
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Oh, OK, I also wrote, I get so anxious when I see two people
who we know are being surveilledare in front of a giant floor to
ceiling window. So this is when when merit, when
merit and Sam Hague, who we now know is Lyle Jennings, I think
they meet for the first time in the the hotel room and they're
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just in front of giant floor to ceiling windows.
And you could see the lights outside in the rain pitter
pattering. And I was like, aren't they
like, supposed to be being tailed right now and surveilled?
And that's why Lyle Jennings slash Sam Haig told her in the
park to find a better place nexttime.
Yeah, and here they are outside,right next to a giant window
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where anyone could see them. Which?
Also didn't make sense because she often visited that hotel
too, we found out. Wait, why did she visit the
hotel? So she visited the hotel when
she had her rendezvous with Liam.
Oh right, I forgot that was the same.
Hotel slash, I forgot about the Liam thing.
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Yeah, yeah. Because then Sam Hague slash
Lyle Jennings was like, oh, do you come to this place often?
And she's like, yeah, It's like,what?
Wasn't that the whole point? There's that whole scene in the
park where he was like trying todo this front of like, oh,
pretend you're mad at me becauseI threw this litter away.
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And then she's like, that won't be too hard.
And then he's like, find a better place next time because
you visit this place too often. And then she was like, not going
to reply. And then she's on the same.
And then she's like. Yeah, actually everyone here
knows me so. Hey, why don't you just like,
come to my house next time? And then he's like, yeah, that
sounds great. So silly.
(36:46):
I don't know. I don't know.
So I mean, maybe she went to that place because she was
always there under a pseudonym at that place.
So she like already had a setup to be a secret person.
Yeah. That makes sense, yeah.
Yeah, OK. So maybe that's why she had that
setup going and that's why they went there.
(37:08):
But she still stood in front of floor to ceiling windows.
So even if they even if she was under a different name, if they
were being tailed, they absolutely could have just taken
a pot shot through the window. Absolutely.
Come on. Come on.
Come on. So I had a question about the
(37:30):
dark cloud theory. But.
Yeah, did you pick up on that? I found an answer afterwards.
OK, I'm forgetting exactly when that theory came up and who was.
Talking about it, I think it came up in episode 2 or 3.
So Gabel was talking to you, wastalking to the police officer on
(37:53):
Moore, and he said something about, oh, the dark cloud
theory. And then the police officer guy
was like, yeah. And I was like, huh, what is
that? And so I looked it up and
apparently the dark cloud theoryis just the the theory about how
Merritt's mom dies, because it'sstill a little bit unclear how
(38:16):
it actually happens. So the account that, yeah, the
account that we get is that she goes off road in Glasgow and
then dies in an accident becausethere was a dark cloud.
Oh my God, my interpretation wasso different.
I'm so glad you looked that up because my, how I interpreted it
was that the more police officerjust had this theory that some
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families just have dark clouds over them and so bad things just
happened to them and not to other people.
And so he was like, yeah, of course Merritt would have been
the one to go missing because her family was under a dark
cloud. And that's also why her brothers
had got bashed in like the family.
Is it under a dark cloud? I thought that's what he was
(39:02):
saying. Wait, maybe that isn't OK.
Let me read you word for word what it says.
The account that we get is that she went off road in Glasgow and
died in an accident due to what the officer mentions as a dark
cloud. So.
Maybe it's still a Dark World theory.
OK, OK. Yeah, maybe that is that.
OK, no, I don't like your theorya lot more because that's how I
(39:25):
initially interpreted it too. But then I was confused as if he
was referring to the family as adark cloud.
I I think to be honest, I was not paying super close attention
during this moment. So maybe I also thought it was
like car that Carl being the reason why Carl is pessimistic
or something is because he has adark cloud theory or something
(39:47):
like that. That's kind of how I thought of
it, but I like your theory. I understand.
I think your theory makes a lot more sense.
Okay. It's cannon her to here first
folks everyone. Else is like, it's so fucking
obvious. This whole episode, whenever
(40:09):
someone listens to it, they're going to be like, all of these
questions are so obvious. This discussion is pointless.
You. Can't be like that.
Why am I even listening to this podcast?
Because everything in the show made perfect.
Sense I didn't even have any questions and I'm not learning
any new information. You know what?
(40:34):
We're not experts, You know, we're just two best friends who
watch an embarrassing amount of television.
We. Just want to talk about it.
The last thing that I did not understand was when it first
happened. So I think there's a scene where
Merit is masturbating or something and then Lyle was
(40:56):
looking in and he's like, oh, this Russell is my Jimmy's.
And then he gives her a can of soda or something.
And then when she opens the airlock, they can explodes.
And so I was like, OK, I guess that's just due to high pressure
or something like that's why it just explodes.
(41:17):
But but I was like, why would they give her a can if they knew
that that was gonna? I was confused by that.
Like obviously that would happento a carbonated.
Beverage. Yeah.
Like, if it was so obvious that that was gonna happen, why did
they do it? Yeah, I don't.
Know. And she's been in there for four
years. So it's not and and and Lyle has
(41:40):
been in it. Since childhood, right?
FRO is an expert in that chamber.
Yeah, I. Don't know, that's a good
question. My read was that it was to show
the viewer how high pressure that chamber was.
Like that's the only reason. So I don't know if it was lazy
(42:02):
writing. We probably misinterpreted it.
So I shouldn't, I shouldn't insult the writers.
So I don't know, but maybe it was lazy writing.
Yeah, OK. I guess that makes sense.
I don't know. I guess were there any, is there
any other thing? Because I was thinking it was
like Lyle was trying to reward her for like, you know,
(42:25):
masturbating or whatever. Yeah, that might be true.
That might be true. He was like, yes, let me
incentivize this behavior so I can continue to watch her.
Yeah. But then it just like didn't
work because yeah. Because it was so high pressure,
which should have been obvious. Oh, or maybe that was the first
time, because I think that was the first time when the chamber
(42:47):
started making weird noises, right?
So maybe that's when the chamberstarted failing, or the can
cause the chamber to start failing or something.
Oh, OK, OK. You just didn't expect it.
To. OK, Also question on the the
chamber failing. So what I what I read that as
was the overall thing was failing and there was a lot of
(43:12):
like high pressure, whatever. And then she just basically took
the pliers and just like broke the pipes so that her chamber
would become depressurized. But then as she crawled out of
the chamber, it looked like she was even under so much pressure.
(43:33):
But then if she could do that, I'm confused about science.
OK. I think what happened was she
depressurized the chamber, she opened the portal went out, but
as she was leaving, the like decompression sickness was
hitting her. And that's why I like her eyes
started going red. Her her blood vessels were
(43:56):
basically exploding, I think. And so she was like, no.
And then and then they just put her back in and then fixed it.
Oh, OK. So that's kind of like the
window that we were discussing earlier.
Yes. So that's why she couldn't just
like. Leave exactly.
OK, I I thought that it was likethe entire room was under like
(44:19):
an an immense amount of pressureand like that's what she broke.
So like that's why her ear like slammed into ASAP and then she
was. Like a locked out.
Oh yeah, no, I think it was justthe tube thing that was under
high pressure and. Then OK.
Elsa was in normal normal. And a sign cattle.
(44:42):
Cattle. OK, All right.
So that makes that makes sense. And that's why that she had to
be in the portable hyperbaric chamber in the tube when she,
yes, left. OK, OK, that makes sense.
Great science, unlike north of North where you had flooding in
the second story room and nowhere else.
(45:06):
Oh, wait, there was something I wanted to look up regarding
science. OK, Hyperoxia.
OK, this is something I had a question about that.
Don't ask me science. No, no.
OK, so you know in the recordingthat they play, they're like
(45:28):
when the pressure becomes high enough, you may experience
hyperoxia where too much carbon dioxide enters your lungs or
something. I just looked up hyperoxia.
So I know hypoxia is when you don't get enough oxygen and so I
assumed hyperoxia is when you have too much oxygen.
(45:52):
I think they said that it was carbon dioxide.
But then I just looked it up andit says hyperoxia is oxygen
poisoning, a condition where tissues and organs are exposed
to high levels of oxygen exceeding normal atmospheric
levels. So why did they say carbon
dioxide? If they're recording, they said
carbon dioxide. Yeah, I.
Don't remember the recording saying that but I do remember
(46:14):
Hardy looking up the hyperbaric chamber and oxygen stuff and he
was like once it gets to 9 atmospheres then that's when
oxygen becomes toxic. Yes, OK.
I remember that too. So I don't know why the
recording said carbon dioxide. Yeah, OK.
Well, I think they got it wrong because I remember hearing it
(46:35):
twice that they say carbon, too much carbon dioxide in the
lungs, but that's hypoxia, not hyperoxia.
I see. OK, got it.
Good to know. Good to know.
If I'm ever stuck in a hyperbaric chamber, it doesn't
(46:55):
matter if it's hyper or hypo. I'll die either way.
Equally fucked, but I'll know exactly how I die.
Oh, when did you suspect, I guess.
Did you have any theories about who the kidnappers were?
(47:15):
And if so, at what point did yourealize things?
I felt like it was going to be an inside job.
I felt like Steven Burns definitely was up to something
the whole time. But I didn't.
I didn't. Yeah.
I didn't understand the Harry Jennings, Lyle Jennings, all of
that stuff until a little bit later.
(47:37):
But how? When did you realize?
I wish I realized it sooner. But so, you know, in the first
flashback, I don't know if it was the first flashback, but
when you see Merit, like teenageMerit and teenage Harry smoking
in the living room and then the Lyle comes in and he's like, it
smells like sex. And then he gave Merit a weird
(48:02):
look. And I was like, what?
That was weird. Like, why did he why did they
show him looking at her like that?
But then I didn't think too muchabout it.
But then when he goes in and when he when modern day Lyle
goes into the chamber and like cries over merit and is like,
(48:22):
I'm in love with you or something, I was like, it's
Lyle. It's Lyle and his mom.
I also remembered them saying something weird about the mom,
like the mom being a little deranged or something.
And then I was like, oh, this fits the bill, This fits the
bill. Oh Dang.
Wow, OK, very perceptive. So I I thought it was an elderly
(48:46):
woman because they kind of showed her a little bit and then
I just assumed that it would be an elderly man.
So I thought that elderly man was Graham Finch.
Oh. So I thought it was Stephen
Burns, Graham Finch, and I didn't really know who the woman
was until very late when they started exploring the Jennings
storyline. And then I was like, oh, it's
(49:08):
Lyle and his mom. Oh, OK, yeah.
But wow, very good. Thank you.
I also have two racist moments. Well, I guess 1 is not but.
Not I shouldn't. Call it racist moment, but I had
I had two moments. OK, well, I'll just tell you how
(49:29):
this. Happened you already had one
with Robin and Merritt. They have the same face and I
will die on that hill. OK, so we kind of saw what
mother kidnapper looked like, right?
Like we saw that we she had a short grayish whitish Bob.
(49:51):
She was obviously an old lady. Then I think in the next episode
they finally showed Doctor Sonnenberg and she's also an old
lady with a whitish grayish Bob.And I was like, is that the?
Kidnapper. Turns out that wasn't the case.
(50:13):
Then we see we obviously know what fake Sam Hague looks like,
the one that was sleeping with well basically Lyle Jennings.
We all we already know what he looked like.
Then they show the flashback andI was like, hmm, Lyle Jennings
kind of looks like Sam Hague. And I was like, I'm probably
being racist again and I completely forgot about it, but
(50:36):
it was the same person. Yeah, actually when they showed
Sam and Lyle at the table, I waslike, I need to lock in right
now, so I know. I know literally all look same.
Well, that was the whole plot line because, oh, we know it
wasn't. I was just about to say the
police probably thought that too, but no, they never knew.
(50:59):
They saw a picture of the real Sam Hague, but it was like, it
was like this. And really, his face is kind of
obscured. Yeah.
So the audience was meant to think that the person rock
climbing was Sam Hague, so they were meant to look very similar.
The person rock climbing was SamHague.
Or, sorry, like the person rock climbing was Sam Hague.
(51:21):
But we as the audience had knownSam Hague, Lyle Jennings before
we knew actual Sam Hague. So when we saw, when we saw the
picture, we were just like, Oh yeah, like guy with the scruffy
beard. I guess that's him.
Totally. Yeah, Were they intentionally?
Yeah, they intentionally like didn't really show what this
(51:42):
picture looked like. Very personal, you know, like he
just kind of picks it up and andshow and brings it across and
then just gives it to to Carl. Cattle, cattle or to Akram, I
don't remember actually, but someone.
Yeah, yeah. So I think we're not supposed to
be allowed to zoom in and examine what that looks like.
(52:04):
But I bet some people did. And if you did, you probably
figured it out way before we did.
Good job. But yeah, I wonder if casting a
young Lyle that looked like future Lyle, like almost exactly
(52:25):
the same, because I really thought they looked so similar.
But then I was like, Nah, I'm just being racist.
Well, OK, I also think that there's another actor who is an
American Horror Story, I think, who also I think played a Lyle
who also had blonde, blonde curly locks.
Do you know who I'm talking about?
(52:47):
Are you talking about Tate? Tate yes.
Oh, that guy. No, he's different.
Is he? I feel like that Evan Peters,
Yeah. But I feel like that guy, the
young boy who played Lyle, youngLyle Jennings, could have also
played a young Evan Peters slashTaitland Langdon.
(53:10):
I thought he looked kind of similar.
Never just being. Racist.
I thought he kind of looked likethe guy who plays the older
brother in Bridge. No, not Bridge Terabithia, the
older brother in Chronicles of Narnia.
Slash also plays Sam in Love, Actually.
(53:33):
Yeah, I see that. That kid.
Love Simon. Probably not a kid anymore.
No, not love. Simon Lovey.
Simon, Lovey, Simone Thomas, Brody Sangster.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I know.
I know what you're talking about.
It's just this small face, blonde locks, curly blonde locks
(53:56):
that style. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
British, British, Yeah. Scottish, Scottish cattle.
Oh there was 1 funny line that Iwrote down when Jasper and
cattle are talking and Jasper's like Mom fucked us both and
(54:21):
Carl's like maybe there's another way you could put that?
I laughed at that too. He's like try again.
I think as abrasive as Carl was,he did have some good one
liners. Yeah, he did.
Honestly, cattle can get it. Yeah, Honestly, yeah.
(54:44):
Came around him in the end. OK.
I did not have any other things to talk about.
Me neither. Great.
Rating Time. Rating Time.
I guess I'll go first, OK. I think I would give this
(55:06):
probably an 8 out of 10. Yeah, I was really hooked after
the the reveal at the end of episode 1.
I thought it was really well done.
I have watched a lot of British procedurals in my time, and so
I'm always skeptical about how much I'm going to enjoy the big
reveal. And I was really impressed the
whole the whole season. So yeah, definitely 8 out of 10.
(55:30):
Really enjoyable. I feel like I'm always like 1/2
point lower than you because I, I was also thinking about it,
what I would rate this. Honestly, I'm, I mean, I did
like this more than I liked other British procedurals and I
definitely liked it more than I thought I would.
But am I going to watch season 2in order to find out the answer
(55:53):
to the shooting in like 2 years whenever it comes out?
I don't know, kind of depends onwhat else is out there.
And so I think I might give thisA7.
OK great, cool binge. In progress.
(56:14):
I started watching Straw the movie with Taraji P Henson.
Oh, how is it? It's very intense.
Do you know the premise of the movie?
I kind of remember that it's a struggling single mother, but I
don't know anything else about it.
Yeah, it's basically a struggling single mother who's
having the worst day of her life.
(56:37):
So I think it's straw because it's kind of like a series of
events that happens, and it's kind of like the straw that
breaks the camel's back. So I think that's why it's
called straw. But yes, it's very intense.
I haven't finished it yet. I'm only about halfway through,
but yeah, it's keeping me in. But.
OK. Very heart wrenching.
(56:58):
Nice. Yeah.
Bye. Bye.
I am watching Survivor again. I'm I'm about to become the
biggest Survivor fan, I'm prettysure because I've just mostly
been watching over my sister's shoulder, as I've mentioned on
this podcast. But now we are actually watching
a whole season. So we're watching Survivor 20,
(57:20):
which was Heroes versus Villains, and we just finished
the first episode. Who won heroes or villains?
Heroes won the first challenge, but then I think they lost the
second challenge and so yeah, they lost the second challenge.
Actually, we haven't finished episode 1.
We're at tribal Council for episode 1 and someone from the
(57:42):
Heroes tribe is about to get voted off.
OK wait, how do how do they determine villains?
Aren't these so normal people? They're normal people.
They're all from past Survivor seasons and it's, I think,
beloved people and hated people,but unclear whether it's beloved
by other survivors or beloved byfans.
(58:07):
I see hated by fans yes cuz villains normally are also both.
Yeah, yeah. So I was like, should I expect
to hate villains? Or maybe not.
Maybe only the other survivors hated these people, but the
viewers liked them, so I don't know.
Maybe he's just like villains oftheir season.
Yeah, yeah. Like how Corinne is like she was
(58:29):
definitely a villain of her season, but she was also people
loved her by fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So maybe it is just like the other Survivor contestants
thought these people were villains.
Yeah, interesting. Cool.
Yeah, great. I'm prepping for Survivor 50.
When does that come out? I think not for a while, maybe.
(58:50):
I think they just started filming.
So maybe four or five months. I don't know.
Six months. It's weekly episodes and there's
a bunch and the last season justended.
I feel like they really crank them out.
Yeah, there are two seasons a year, but they just released 48.
(59:11):
OK. And so probably like another.
Yeah, that's what I'm guessing maybe 3 or 4.
Yeah, that makes sense. That'll end.
Yeah, Yeah. Cool.
OK. All right.
Is that it? Is that it, Gaddle?
Great. OK, perfect.
Thanks for yapping with us. If you love this episode, have
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