Étoile (Prime Video): IT'S PRIDE MONTH B*TCHES

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Ballet meets bureaucracy, and we are pirouetting straight into the drama. In this episode, we’re talking all things Étoile—Amy Sherman-Palladino’s Paris and New York-set series about two iconic dance institutions attempting a cultural exchange that was loosely inspired by real-life collaborations between the Paris Opera Ballet and American companies. Shalini, our in-house Gilmore Girls stan, draws all the Palladino parallels, from overlapping actors to scene-by-scene comparisons.We unpack the standout characters (Mishi! Tobias! And Crispin Chamblée, eccentric billionaire!) We get into the ethics of arts funding, ballet history deep dives. And yes, we go full Maisel-verse and Gilmore mode by the end.Tune in for pointe shoes, power plays, and a whole lot of Parisian drama.

Series synopsis (from Google):

In New York and Paris, dancers and artistic staff of two world-renowned ballet companies embark on an ambitious gambit to save their storied institutions, swapping their most talented stars.

BYR Average Rating: 8/10

No. of episodes: 8 (~8 hour runtime)

Platform: Prime Video

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Episode Transcript

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Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.And I'm Shalini and we're your
hosts. A binge, yap, repeat.
We're two best friends who spendan embarrassing amount of time
binge watching TV, and honestly,we just need to talk about it.
If you're here, we're guessing you do too.
Fair warning. This is a spoiler friendly zone.
We will be discussing lots of spoilers, so if you haven't

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watched the show yet, hit pause,go binge, and come back when
you're ready to yap with us. And now it's yap time.

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Hello. Hey, everyone.
What's up? What's up?
What's up? It's so Friday right now.
Yeah, we're chilling. Though we good.
Fallen asleep over here. Wait, do we have any oopsie
doopsies or funzy onesies? We have one funzy onesie from

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Sarah. Oh, yes, OK.
So we have a funzy onesie today,a write in from our friend
Sarah. So this was from our forever
episode when we were discussing Christian and Keisha's sex tape

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fiasco and discussing kind of the motivations behind both of
their actions and why Keisha didor did not take action or like
retaliatory action against Christian.
And one thing we left out completely was the race
component of it all. And our friend Sarah wrote in

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with something really insightful, so we just wanted to
share it. She said, my take was that
Keisha could understand that Christian felt pressured by the
white boys to take action, whichis so effed up, obviously,
etcetera. And she definitely approached it
differently, but she could understand doing something just
to prove something to the white people.

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So yeah, there I, I remember himsaying something along the lines
of like, oh, it was just to to show this random, like I don't
remember his name. It was to show him that like,
black girls are hot or somethinglike that.
And she was like, oh, so you didit for the culture?
Yeah, thing I I think that was agood point that you brought up

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about like she, he did it for the culture because I think even
when she said, oh, so you did itfor the culture, she was kind of
like, really, you still did it like that.
That's why you did it, even though it's still like put me
like in a compromised position. So I think even from that
perspective, I understand in themoment why he did it, but I also

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don't think Keisha forgave him for.
That yeah, that's true. Like, she was.
He was incredulous when he said that.
She was like, that's why you didit.
I don't think that's the reason she didn't take action against
him, but I do think that is an important consideration for why
he decided to share the video. Yes, whether or not that reason

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is actually justifiable or not correct.
Because it is not. Exactly.
Cool, great. Well, I guess in general, if, if
y'all as our listeners want us to cover something or there's a
show that you particularly like or even a show that you don't

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know how to feel and you just want other people to to watch it
so you know how to feel. Maybe just give us give us a
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socials. We're chronically online so.
Yeah, or if we got something wrong in an episode, also let us

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know and we will correct it maybe.
Maybe we we say this in our outro as well, but we figured
we'd make it more explicit. Yeah, especially after I just
got dinner with some of our friends this week and they were
like, Oh yeah, I started Benji Appaprete episode.
And then I'm like, skip 30 seconds, skip 30 seconds, skip
30 seconds. Oh, back up, 15 seconds, back

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up, 15 seconds until our intro music is over.
So you know. Hey, fair enough.
I do that too. Same.
Should we get started? Yeah.
OK. All right, Atois.
OK, I believe you. I just heard many people on the

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show say at 12, really with an LYeah, yeah.
I mean, it was Americans. I don't remember what the French
people said, but the Americans always said at 12 all.
Right here, let me. Oh, can you hear that?
Nope. It's well, it well, I think the
the ending is like very subtle. It's Well, wait, let me do it on

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my phone. Yeah, let's say English.
Before we say the word a tois for an entire hour.
OK, so this is how you pronounceit's well, it's well.
It sounds like 3 syllables. It's well, yeah, like.
But that's why. Level is like half the length of

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the 1st 2:00. It well.
It's well. I'm going to say ET toil.
I'm going to say ET soil just. Omitting letters for no reason.
That's the French way ET toil. You don't speak French ET toil
you. Know what?
I just won't say it. OK.

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OK. So all right, today we're we're
talking about ET Toil. It's amazing, I know.
It's a new comedy series from Amy Sherman Palladino and Daniel
Palladino, which is the duo behind Gilmore Girls, Shalini
Fangirling and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

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It premiered on Amazon Prime Video on April 24th, 2025 and
the premise of the show is a pretty fun.
So there's basically 2 legendaryballet companies, the
Metropolitan Ballet Theatre in New York and Le Ballet Nacional
and Pari. They are struggling to stay
afloat, so they decide to shake things up by swapping some of

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their best dancers for a season.It well, it well.
So my fun fact about itwal is that it translates to star in
English, but it can refer to thecelestial body * but it also
refers to the principal dancer in a ballet company.

(07:02):
Oh OK, I was wondering if it's acommon term because they were
really throwing that word arounda lot.
Like it wasn't just a symbol forwhat Cheyenne represented, it
was also they were like, but you're in a.
Twal yeah, I think it really, it's like a ballet term.
It's like the principal dancer is.
I am so sorry you guys. I took Spanish in high school.

(07:24):
So. Same.
La Estrella. That's what the show's called.
Fun fact about La Estrella it was.
You mean the taqueria in? Pasadena, yes, the taqueria in
Pasadena that we loved going to and I loved their quesadillas.
Shout out for La Estrella. 4:00 AM quesadillas really hit so.

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Hard they filled that that hole in my heart literally made
another All right, Shalini, whatare your overall.
Thoughts. This show very much grew on me.
I think the first two episodes, I just wasn't in the rhythm of

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it. I feel like Amy Sherman
Palladino's shows always have a rhythm and it takes a little bit
to get into it. But once I was in, I was so in.
And I loved all the quirky characters.
I love Cheyenne, I love Tobias, I love Mishi.
And yeah, it was just all the characters are so lovable.

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I found myself, actually. So we watched this show over the
course of probably a week or so.I was really, I was like, I
really want to spend more time just like watching and
rewatching the show. I feel like it has a lot of
rewatch potential just because it has that quick banter where
on your first watch you probablypick up 50 to 60% of it.

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And then if you go back and rewatch, you'll pick up so much
more. So it has like really fun
banter, beautiful dancing. I loved watching all of the
ballet sequences and performances and yeah, pretty
compelling story. At first I was like, this seems
like a silly concept, I don't see the point of this.
But I ended up really, really liking it.

(09:15):
How about you? Yeah, I agree.
I think I agree with you in terms of the pacing.
I think it took a little bit forme to get into this story, but
also to like get into the characters themselves.
I don't know why, but the first time that we saw Cheyenne and
she was Cheyenne. Cheyenne, Cheyenne.

(09:36):
Cheyenne. Yeah, people pronounced it both
ways. OK, Cheyenne.
So when we first saw Cheyenne, she was on the bow and she was
kind of shouting at those eco warriors being like you guys are
a pussies. Like, you can't even, you know,
like fight back against these big fishing companies that are
destroying our environment and going on her her tirade.

(10:00):
I don't know why, but I felt like she wasn't.
I felt like she was acting, you know what I mean?
I was not really convinced by that performance, but over the
course of the season, I was like, oh, this is OK.
Now I understand. I understand her personality a
lot more because I think whenever people just talked

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about her, she was this etherealdance figure.
But then when we first saw her, she obviously wasn't.
So I think that that whiplash got me a little bit like rattled
me a little bit. But then over the the first of
the season, she grew on me. I will say though, I really
liked I really liked the A storylines and the B storylines

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with the different characters like Tobias and Nick Nicholas
and everything. But then there were also C
storylines that I felt did not get an A lot of love.
And as a result, I kind of just forgot about them until they
came up again randomly. So the SU SU storyline, which
kicked off the show, and I totally forgot about her until

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she came back the second time. I was like, Oh yeah, like
there's this girl here. And then also the the two
American guys who also got traded to the French company.
I totally forgot about them until they had that next scene
where they were like drunk in Paris or something.
And I was like, Oh yeah, those guys are there too.
And then they were never mentioned.

(11:24):
Again, never saw them. Again, Yeah.
So I think, I think when I was reminded that there were even
more storylines that weren't like really being fleshed out, I
was like, oh, oh, that's weird. But I really enjoyed the A&B
storyline. So I think that more than
made-up for it. I I want to respond to what you

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said about the first time we seeCheyenne.
And yeah, she's like dressed andreally bulky clothing.
She's talking in a deep voice. She's on this fishing boat, like
so antithetical to what anyone pictures as a ballerina.
I yeah, I agree. That was very jarring.

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And I was like, who the fuck is this?
And then I was like, oh, this isthe this is the.
But I do like that the show kindof turned everyone's impression
of ballerinas on its head a little bit.
Or like, Cheyenne is this bold, kind of masculine, loud, rude

(12:31):
person. And whereas you think of a
ballerina as, like, really demure and petite and ethereal
and, like, perfect. And she was just like, so
imperfect and so just uninhibited.
So I really liked that about theshow.
And then my the other thing I wanted to say about Cheyenne is

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that the actress I read did not know English before the show.
Oh, yeah. Did you see that too?
I did that, Yeah. That's not my fun fact, so.
Impressive. So impressive to me that she not
only learned English, but acted in English for the show.
Crazy. Yeah, so good.
I feel like that gave her an airof authenticity.

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So I'm actually really glad thatthey put her in that position
where she had like, this really,really thick French accent.
Another fun fact about this actress, her name is Lou Delage.
And so when? OK, yeah.
So the actress's name is Ludolage.
And she not only had to relearn English, but she had to relearn

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ballet a little bit. But also the person dancing
ballet is not her. It's a body AA dance double.
So that person is Constance Duvernay Lawrence.
And she is a principal ballet dancer in London and New York,
in Paris. So whenever there are shots of

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Cheyenne dancing, dancing, it's Constance who is the body.
Interesting. And was Lou Delage, is she also
a ballerina? She just hasn't danced in a
while. I don't think she was ever a
ballerina. I think she's first and foremost
an actress. I think she took ballet lessons
when she was younger, and so shekind of knew the basics.

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But yeah, she didn't. She didn't.
Like she wasn't a ballet dancer.You know what, There were some
scenes where I was like, is thatCheyenne?
I can't even tell who's dancing right now.
But I guess it wasn't her, even though, I mean, it was her
character that was dancing, but it wasn't Lou Deluge.
Yeah. That's very Princess of you,

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because I did not clock that. Because the only reason I did
this is because I was like, oh, is this actress actually a
ballerina dancer? She's so good.
And I looked her up and it's like, Oh, no, no.
And I only learned that after I'd finished watching the whole
show. OK.
Yeah, right. Nice.

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I felt like there were a lot of conversations that were
happening between 2 French people, 2 French characters in
the show that were happening in English and then I was confused.
I was like why are these two French speaking characters
talking to each other in English?
That doesn't make any sense to me.
So I noticed that me she did this a lot and Genvieve also did

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this a lot. And so I just, I don't know, did
you clock that? Whatever you thought I did.
I I noticed that too, you know, at first.
OK, I guess I'll, I'll touch on Mishi first.
Yeah, I was wondering, I have theories for why both of them.
Was it just the two of them? I'm sure there were more times

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than just that. I'm sure there were more, but I
I know that it happened multipletimes with those two and and
often with each other. So I was.
Yeah, yeah. I was so with Mishi, I was
wondering if she was maybe just like clinging as hard as she
could to her life in New York and just using her American
English as much as possible to because she obviously missed New

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York so much. That's my theory about her.
In reality, I think they just, they didn't want too much French
in the show. That's why they did it.
But yeah, these are the the theories that I will choose to
believe. So yeah, that's for Michi.
That's what I thought too. I was like, OK, I guess they
didn't want like, more than halfthe show to be in French, I

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guess so, yeah. Yeah.
And I wanted to talk about Michiin New York, but.
Yeah, OK, OK. Yeah.
Then for Jean Viev, you know, soshe kind of had a British
accent, right? So I was like, oh, is she
supposed to be someone who grew up in England but then moved to
France and learned French but still prefers English?

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And I was wondering if that was kind of the story behind her
character. But then we meet her sister, and
she has a completely different accent.
She's like extremely French. So then.
I was like why does she and her sister have different accents?
Maybe it's because Genvia probably spent a lot of time
internationally as a result of her job, and so she kind of had
this mishmash of an accent. I feel like I know some people

(17:15):
like that, Who they're, they're kind of from all over the place,
but they spend extended time in in a bunch of different
countries. And so their accent becomes
super like a weird mishmash thatyou're like, I don't know,
you're not American, but I don'texactly know where you're from.
I think it was kind of like that.

(17:37):
OK. Do they talk about her past jobs
before ballet mess, you know? OK, OK.
But presumably, yeah, she probably spent some time in
London, maybe New York, cuz she and Jack have a history.
Yeah, yeah. So I guess that's how she got
like a kind of British, kind of American accent just layered on
top of her French accent. OK, OK.

(17:59):
Cuz I was kind of like this is bad casting of these two sisters
have completely different accents but OK I could believe
that. Yeah, I buy it.
I buy it. I buy it.
Because the sister had the SuperFrench accent and she had the
more mishmashed accent. If it was opposite I'd be like
why'd they cast her? Yeah, that's true.

(18:20):
I think I agreed. I agreed with that.
OK, Yeah. I wanted to talk about Mishi in
New York. She.
Yeah, let's talk about Mishi in general.
Oh my God, I cringed so hard when Misha was hanging out with
those French, that French group of friends, and she was trying
to impress this guy who asked her out.

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And they're like, oh, we love Brooklyn Gowanus.
And then she's like, let's go honest.
And then they're like, don't youknow anything about Brooklyn?
Weren't you in New York? And she was like, I was on Upper
West Side. I was like, excuse me, elitist.
But then when she was like Wikipedia, the like Brooklyn,

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and then came up with those fun facts, I was cringing so hard.
I also cringed so hard. To be fair, I don't think her
not going to Brooklyn was an elitist thing at all.
I think she legitimately did notrealize how far it was because
she never bothered to try leaving the Upper West Side.

(19:25):
Yeah. And that's what they explored by
the end of the season, right? They were like a ballet dancer's
life is literally just ballet. That's all they do.
That's all they think about. So I think from that lens, I was
like, OK, yeah, that makes sense.
That what she was. She was like, what, 19 in New
York? Yeah, something like that.
Right, super young. It only hung out in Upper West

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Side. Didn't really go to Brooklyn.
Didn't even hear about going to Brooklyn.
I totally get it. The only reason I know about
Gowanus is because that's where the climbing gym was.
Is Gowanus a part of Brooklyn? Yeah, yeah, it's, it was like I
lived in downtown Brooklyn and it was like a 20 minute walk
South of me. So it's kind of like very
warehousey. So there was, there's like a lot

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of random art galleries and there's a lot of random climbing
gyms. And there was also like this
archery place in Gowanus Canal. Yeah, that scene, I was like,
oh, baby me. She you don't have a life.

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It was so sad. And she was just realizing she's
like, wow, people like, really live lives, and I'm just doing
ballet when she had that realization when they're, like,
showing the video of Tamayo's climbing that thing or whatever.
Yeah. And she's like, oh, like, people
are out here doing things. People drink beer.

(20:52):
Yeah. Oh, my heart.
And then she was clearly so sheltered by her parents also.
And yeah, I think her living with Cheyenne's mom just kind of
taught her about the grunginess of real life.
Grunginess of real life, yes. I loved how Cheyenne's mom, like

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she was obviously made harder byCheyenne's mom and then
Cheyenne's mom was made softer. They kind of molded each other a
little bit. I thought that was so cute.
They were actually my favorite relationship.
So sweetie and then. Cheyenne being super jealous
when she was like you saw her dance.
You heard she got a key. I never got a key.

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You made her. You fixed her bed.
Yeah, the Princess that she. See me?
I'm thinking about me. She's parents, how they kind of
just, yeah, treated her like a doll.
So dancing. 100% treated her like a dancing doll.

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Me, she's drunken speech. I was so.
Cringe. Also I was like Oh no girl stop
and she was like the bar boy with the cute butt asked me if I
wanted all of her twist. I don't even know what that
means. I was like, oh girl, stop
talking. Oh my God, I know.

(22:20):
Also. Wait, she was like, yeah, I
don't even know what that means.Thanks mom.
I was like, considering where you are right now, I feel like
your mom actually would have taught you that of all things.
Like when you're out at a function like this, always ask
for an olive, not A twist. Yeah.
Yeah, we talk about Tobias. So yeah, let's talk about

(22:41):
Tobias. I love Tobias.
I think he's my favorite character.
I I liked him, then I loved him and then I started to find him
irritating. Yeah.
That's accurate. Yeah.
I think when Tobias hopped up onstage and was like, this is not

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my dance, like we have to redo everything.
Like this is so stupid. It was like that.
And also when he hopped on stageafter piece one in the New York
Ballet and was like, why did youdo it this way?
If I knew that you were going tobe the dancer, I would have done
it this way. I was like, I think there is a

(23:23):
balance to be struck here about being so, so much of A creative
genius that you need to have things a certain way, but also
understanding that at the end ofthe day.
Like. It's the audience experience
that sells the tickets. And like, I guess hopping up on
the stage in the, in the Le Ballet Nacional, I'm I like that

(23:48):
ended up having a really positive effect where people
kind of came and, and it was a whole spectacle of things.
I don't know if it sold more tickets but.
Yeah, I mean, he's clearly extremely eccentric.
I'm. I'm pretty sure they wrote him
to be on the spectrum. Yeah.

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And yeah, So I, I think there was no way he was going to care
about what sells tickets. You know, like he is there to
create the best art he can create and he does not give a
fuck what's selling tickets. Yeah, yeah.
That's there. Yeah.
Yeah, he actually kind of reminded me.

(24:31):
Well, we'll get into the GilmoreGirls potion portion, but he
kind of reminded me of Paris, ifyou remember.
Yes. Paris Geller from Gilmore Girls.
Like, she's just this very extreme, eccentric personality
that in real life would be so annoying.
But on the show, you witnessed the eccentricity without having

(24:53):
to deal with it yourself. And you see these little
humanizing moments, and you're like Tobias Paris.
My little. Heart's breaking for you.
Oh yeah. I guess that's true, but I I
think the reason that I felt irritated is that they were
Cheyenne was also that personality, right?
Super eccentric, but a creative genius and also very abrasive.

(25:18):
And so I think there was like maybe too.
Much of. It back-to-back of like, oh,
this person is super abrasive. She's right, but the way that
she does it is wrong. And then it was Tobias and it
was like, Tobias is right, but the way that he does is.
And I was like, okay, I get it. And I think that's kind of why I
felt a little bit irritated because it was just like the two

(25:41):
of them kind of railroading other people in their lives.
Yeah, that's very fair. It was.
We kind of got it from both sides.
Then the New York side and the Paris side, and it was like, OK,
we got it there. Ballet has some crazies.
Yeah, One thing that I really laughed at though, was Tobias
standing in the line of the of the lingerie labour lingerie.

(26:04):
He was standing in line and thenGenevieve was like, why are you
standing in this line? And he was like, we like
standing in lines. I forget what was Genevieve's
partners, Lucian or something, Ican't remember.
Yeah, yeah, her. Assistant, not her assistant.
The other guy with the short hair.
Who? Took over for her.
Yeah, I know his real name and Iknow his character in Gilmore

(26:26):
Girls, but I don't know his namein this show.
But it was Yannick Truesdale whoplays Michelle on Gilmore Girls.
He plays Rafael so and Rafael said, oh, so it's true.
And it is so true. People in New York love standing
in lines. OK, I'll input another Gilmore

(26:47):
Girls back to your, but I feel like Amy Sherman Palladino loves
this trope of New Yorkers standing in line.
Because in Gilmore Girls A Year in the Life, there is the scene
where Rory is in New York and she sees this huge line of
people and she's a journalist. So she starts interviewing one
of them. And then she like stays there
all night. And then in the morning she
leaves the line. And as she walks to the front,

(27:10):
it's like 2 guys just eating on a stoop.
And she's like, what are you guys in line for?
And they're like, nothing. We're just eating lunch.
And she's like, should we tell them that they're not standing
in line for anything? Asking is a little ridiculous,
but. Definitely, definitely just like
taking it to the extreme, which we know the creators of the show

(27:31):
love to do. Yeah.
OK, back to Tobias. There were a few.
There are a few lines of his that I thought were so funny.
Let's see which ones I wrote down in episode 4.
I just wrote I love Tobias. Oh, I have a fun fact about

(27:54):
Tobias's ex. Oh, his ex Oh, Jonathan Groff,
who plays him stuff. Yeah, Jonathan Groff cameo.
He's actually also on Broadway right now.
He's on the show called Just in Time and he is Co starring with
Gracie Lawrence of Lawrence fame.

(28:14):
Oh cool listeners. I have been a huge fan of
Lawrence the band for like, I don't know, 10 years now?
Something crazy. And I have had the pleasure of
seeing Gracie rise as a star from being like an unknown
person in Lawrence and to now starring in Secret Lives of

(28:36):
College. Wait, was it?
Sex lives with sex girls. Not Secret Lives of Mormon.
Lives, oh, her life took a turn.Yes, Sex Lives of College Girls
and now Just in Time, which is aBroadway show that she got a
Tony nomination for. That's awesome.

(28:58):
Yeah, anything Jonathan Groff there.
Yeah, Jonathan Groff. Oh my gosh.
Yeah. I know him primarily from Glee,
but then I know he's also the voice of Kristoff in Frozen and.
He's like. Hamilton Oh, OK.
I like the original. Yeah, yeah.
King George, he's the guy. Oh, yeah, I'll be back before we

(29:23):
did. Yeah, that one.
Yeah, I don't know the songs, but OK, OK, cool.
But yeah, the whole time he was speaking.
I love his voice so much. He has the most beautiful, even
speaking voice is so beautiful. And like, the whole time, all I
could hear was people smell better than reindeers.

(29:45):
Spen, don't you think I'm right?I know that song is, Yeah.
Yeah. Once again true for all except
you. She's still gone.
What's up for that? That's true.
Let's call it a night. Night.

(30:06):
Don't let the frost bite bite. Are you a singer?
Oh my God, yeah. OK, well one really funny line
from the last episode that I remember is when he when he has

(30:27):
this huge blow up during the performance and stops the music
and jumps on the stage and he's like, stop ushering your ticket,
literally tells you where to sit.
What are you even here for? Oh my God, I feel that way all
the time, especially on airplanes.
Like we all, we're all flying united or something.
I was like, we all have a seat, you guys like there's no need to

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push. Yeah.
Also like when the when the flight attendant makes you show
them your boarding pass as you're entering the plane, it's
like, I know I know where I'm going.
You don't need to know where I'mgoing.
I've already been let onto this plane sometimes.
People do look at your seat assignment to make sure that you

(31:12):
should be in like the row closest to the door or like the
faraway row, right? The the the like left side aisle
or the right side aisle? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but when it's A1 aisle plane, but.
When it's A1 aisle plane, there's no need I.

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So forever true, true, true, true.
So Ginny and George. Is crazy OK Eva?
Even her coach side character Eva was evil.

(31:54):
I think she was the principal dancer for the New York Ballet.
And then she had she like froze on stage and then she had to get
a therapist. And now her therapist is just
like there as her shadow. Oh, her.
Oh yeah, wait, I feel. Like we stopped seeing her after
episode 3 or 4. You see what I mean?

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It's these, these storylines that they, we, we see them,
maybe they're just Comic Relief.I don't think the Susie one was
Comic Relief. But even then, it felt like
there was a long it was a large gaps between big things that
happened in the sea storylines. That you just.
Forgot about them and you're like, Oh yeah, that guy.

(32:37):
Oh yeah, that girl. Forgot about her.
Yeah. Oh yeah, Eva and her coach.
I forgot about that too. Yeah, I actually wrote this
down. I was like, there are so many
unprofessional moments of peoplebeing on stage when they're not
supposed to. Eva and her coach, Tobias,
hopping up on stage. But I guess that turned into a
good thing. Cheyenne going up, Jack and

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Nicholas. Nicholas specifically,
scootering across the entire length of the stage to get off
the stage before the curtains came up.
I was like, come on, you know better than this.
Oh, funny. Yeah, You're the artistic
director of the Metropolitan Ballet Theatre, Sir.

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Comma. OK, I have other fun facts.
Oh, there is an influencer that I actually recognize who was
part of the cast. Did you?
Alex Wong. Yes, it was Alex Wong.
I noticed him too. I'm sad they didn't really give
him any screen time. I just saw him in the
background. I was like, I know that guy.
Wait, is that? Yeah, he had one line, I think.

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Unless I dreamed it. You're right, he had one.
Line. I think Cheyenne was mean to him
or something. Yeah, something like that.
It was like one line in episode 4 or five or something.
Yeah, then it was it was gone. Then he left and we just saw him
in the background again. Taping his feet.

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OK, Jack's relationship with theballet.
Wait, actually, do you want to talk about Crispin Chamblee?
Yeah, let's talk about it. What a guy, what a guy.
First of all, what a name. Crispin Chamblee.
Seriously, what is he, Willy Wonka's grandson?

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And then his character, he was also very eccentric and his
character, I was like, are they trying to introduce some sort of
sci-fi component to the show? You know when Jack Watts walks
into that restaurant and there are three or four Crispin
Chamblise around the restaurant and then the real?
Crispin sequins. I think that was real, no?

(34:52):
No, like I yeah, the end. But when when it was happening,
I was like, is this a dream sequence?
Because Jack is just like seeingCrispin everywhere.
And then I was like, this is real.
So weird. And.
Then I was like, oh, is this show set in the future?
But then they show a date and it's 2024.
So yeah, yeah, that part. And then when he's talking to

(35:16):
Cheyenne and then he's like, arethose girls bothering you?
And then he just presses a button on his watch, and then
this guy comes and shoes the girls away.
I was like, is that a robot? Wait, so I had a question for
you. Why was Crispin Chamblee so
interested in the ballet I. Read an article in the New York
Times about this show and they were trying to portray him as Oh

(35:42):
my gosh, I forget, I forget the guy's name, but it was another
person who existed in real life who made his money through
questionable means. But once he had a bunch of
money, he poured almost all of it back into the arts.
So I think Crispin's character was someone who legitimately

(36:02):
really loved ballet and he just loved the arts.
Like he was in a ballet class, you know, like he loves it.
He just that's what he decided to spend his money on because he
loved it so much. What do you think about the
ethics behind that? Because I think if someone made
money from questionable means, but I was the principal of some

(36:23):
ballet theatre and I was struggling and this person just
wanted to give me tons and tons of dirty money, I guess, would
you accept? If I needed money, yeah.
If I was in dire need of money, yeah.
I don't. I feel like beggars can't be
choosers, you know? That's how I feel too.
I I feel like if this person is giving you so much money to fund

(36:46):
the arts and keep the arts going, do you really have a say
in how that money was made? Yeah, I mean, you can decline, I
guess, but like risk the the health and longevity of the
ballet. Yeah, it's definitely tough.
It reminds me, in Business School I took a class called
Corporate Diplomacy and it was all about how how corporations

(37:11):
can use their money to influencedifferent parts of the world and
the communities in various partsof the world.
A huge theme was should ESG investors?
So ESG stands for environmental,social and corporate governance.
Should investors that are like usually quite philanthropic in I
guess morals, invest in companies like the Shell

(37:33):
corporation, which is a huge fossil fuel company.
But if they stay invested, they have influence over Shell and
they could turn the company for better.
But if they completely divest, then Shell loses power because
it has less money. And so it kind of reminded me of
that. We're like, do you accept money
from this questionable source with the risk of having your

(37:55):
operations changed and having the kind of heart of the ballet
changed? Or do you say no to this money,
but then risk the ballet not existing?
So, Oh no, very complicated. I don't know.
If I was in Jack's position, I don't know what I would do.
Yeah, that's a good point. It's like, sure, Crispin just
wants to change the name of the theater.

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But like at the beginning of theseason, that wasn't on the
table. At the beginning of the season,
it was like, oh, let's just do this and I'll give you money so
that you can continue to fund your programs.
And then it was like, and now we'll just change the name of
the building, even though it wasnamed after your great
grandmother. And then next, it's like, well,
let's fund all of the terrible things that are going on and

(38:38):
let's like host government people that we hate as a nation.
We saw how much power he has over Jack.
He just mentioned the name Cheyenne for the artistic
director position, and suddenly Jack was like, damn it, I have
to do it. And it's like, what did you have
to do that? But I don't think Jack had to do

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it because Kristen said it. I think Jack had to do it
because he knew that she actually was the best person for
the job after Nicholas. Maybe, maybe.
Do you think that's why he was like, damn it, you're in my
head? Because I I read that as he
doesn't even realize how much Chris, how much power Crispin
has over his decisions. But yeah, maybe it was more like

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he was, in that moment, realizing how perfect Cheyenne
would be for that role. That's how I read it.
I think he really hated that Crispin was right because he
really hates Crispin. And Crispin was like, well, why
not Cheyenne? She's the best person for the
role. And then he thought about it and
he was like, you know, considering this list of people,

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he's honestly right. Cheyenne is the best person for
the role, which sucks because Crispin doesn't even know this
industry or the world and the and you know what's going on.
And he was just upset that Crispin was right.
I did have another fun fact. This is from a time.com article
from Olivia B Waxman. And apparently so.

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While Etswell itself is not officially based on a true
story, there actually was an exchange of ballet dancers
between the US and the Soviet Union.
So US and Soviet companies in the late 1950s and early 1960s
during the Cold War, basically. Whoa.

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That's so cool. So do you think the show was
kind of based on that? Do you think they drew
inspiration from that? Yeah, I think maybe which is
also what makes Kristen Shambleyan interesting character because
he represents this capitalist entrepreneur who profited from
war essentially, and he's channelling money into the arts.

(40:46):
But the, I guess the counterpoint is that this
exchange between the US and the Soviet companies actually kind
of did the opposite where they were saying, oh, in spite of
this Cold War going on between the US and and the Soviet Union,
we can still enjoy the arts. We can still have a peaceful
exchange of ballet dancers to bring us closer together in

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spite of this horrific war that's happening.
Yeah, yeah. So that exchange was actually
really was taken really positively.
And the other interesting part is that they didn't just
exchange like 3 or 4 dancers. It was like they exchanged like
50 dancers to 100 dancers. So, like large swaths of ballet
dancers were actually exchanged?Wow, that that actually reminds

(41:35):
me of something that I read. I think in the same New York
Times article about the show that I didn't quite pick up on,
but maybe I like subconsciously picked up on it, but the fact
that the Metropolitan Ballet Theatre in New York is a
corporation but the Ballet Nacional in Paris is a

(41:57):
government run entity. Yeah, I.
Didn't realize that. And maybe that's why the New
York 1 turned into the Chamblee Theatre.
And it felt like Crispin had histalons in the New York theatre a
little bit more than he did in the French theatre.

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And then in the French theatre, Jean Viaf was way less in charge
of things than Jack was, even though they had the same job.
But like, she was kind of at themercy of, I guess, the board,
which was comprised of government people.
I don't know, but yeah. But Jack was at the mercy of the
board too. In some ways, I think I agree

(42:43):
with you. He did have more of a command on
the board. He just kind of was at the mercy
of Crispin specifically. But I wanted to add to this.
OK, So the whole premise of the show is that they would swap the
top talent for more ticket sales, you know, bring ballet
back to life, whatever. Do you think this was actually a

(43:04):
success? Because from what I saw, I think
it was maybe a mild success, butI also thought that the French
side of things got a really raw deal.
I was thinking that too, especially when Tobias ran up on
stage. I was like, dude, the French
people are really suffering withthis, with this swap because

(43:26):
yeah, I so, OK, let's take stock. the US got Cheyenne.
Who else did they get so soon? OK, maybe all they got was
Cheyenne. I think it all they got was
Cheyenne. OK, but Cheyenne was
cooperative. She took on so many roles.
She went to all of these events that Jack just asked her to go

(43:48):
to, like her birthday party and mingled, Did that interview
where she talked about how that little girl was like, well, what
you have done? And she was like, dancing was my
only option. So she she was so cooperative.
And then, OK, who did the Frenchget the guys?
Tobias, who's a hotness. Yeah.

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Is she who's a good dancer but everyone hates her?
Yeah, those two random guys, those two.
Visual hot messes who? All we see of them is them
passed out in costume. Beavis and Butthead, Yes, Beavis
and Butthead, yeah. So I guess the American, the

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American team only got Cheyenne,but she was such an asset versus
the French basically. Got some liabilities?
OK. So now that we took stock, going
back to the original question, do you think that this was a
success, the swap? I do think at the end they tried

(44:55):
to show that Tobias is weird. Final performance thing where he
live choreographed did turn intoa success because it was getting
a lot of media attention. Yes.
But did it turn into ticket sales?
Because a lot of those people were just outside of live
streaming. I guess more publicity will lead

(45:18):
to more ticket sales, but they didn't really show the
conclusion of that where it's like, oh, suddenly ticket sales
have gone up. Yeah, we're we're happy.
Yeah. The end, yeah.
Fair, though I think putting thelike the premise of the show
aside, I think the show itself did make me want to go see a

(45:38):
ballet show to be honest. Yeah, me too.
I have so much respect for dancers.
Oh my goodness. I would not want to watch what
they showed at the very end of the episode where that guy was.
He was like, I married myself, I'm very happy together.

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And then Cheyenne was like dancing by his.
I don't. I would not.
Want interpretive dance you wantto watch?
Like choreographed? A bunch of people on stage?
Classical music? Fun costumes.
I want to watch The Nutcracker honestly.
Yeah. What's The Nutcracker too?
Yeah, my hometown had this dancestudio, Kappa, which a lot of my
friends took dance lessons at, and they put on The Nutcracker

(46:22):
every single year. And in my 13 years of living
there, I don't think I ever wentto go see it.
I know I saw their summer performances, but yeah, for some
reason, I never saw The Nutcracker.
Now I really want to see The Nutcracker.
Yeah, me too. In my 3 years of living in New
York I really wanted to go see the opera but never got a

(46:44):
chance. And now I'm like Dang, now I
really want to see the opera andI really want to see Valet.
But I did see the Rockettes so. Nice.
I did something. You saw a lot of Broadway.
I I did see a lot of Broadway, yeah, thousands of dollars.

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You definitely contributed to the arts in New York.
Yeah. Oh, Speaking of being a patron
of the arts, another fun fact. In episode 8, Jean Viev says
that Ina Garten is there. Was there in the audience who we
know as the Fairfoot Contessa? Oh, I remember in our With Love

(47:27):
Megan episode, I was like, yeah,she's the one more.
Homebaker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like, oh, I wish Meghan Markle was more like Barefoot
Contessa because she was so warmand inviting.
And now, yeah, we referenced herin our very first episode, and
now she was called out as being part of the as being a patron of

(47:48):
the arts. Amazing.
Full circle, all right? When we see Jean Via go to her
sister's place and we see them arguing for the first time, did
you think they were a married couple?
Yes, I did. I did too.
I did. Was that intentional?

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I don't know. It took them a while to reveal
that because then she was then her sister at one point was
like, I have a husband and threekids.
And I was like, you have a husband.
Like who are you to her? That's exactly what I thought
too. I was like oh OK it's not just a
friend cuz they're like fightinglike their family so they must

(48:30):
be married and then it's pride month y'all?
Yeah, our first assumption is that they're married, Rightfully
so. Oh, OK.
Some funny lines from the show, when Jean Viev and Jack are, I
think, watching that ballet movie that they both kind of
announced on stage, and then they go into the audience, but

(48:53):
then they're like, they're talking the entire movie.
And then at one point someone's just like, can you just shut the
fuck up? I don't know why I found that so
funny. Dude, I agree.
I honestly get anxiety anytime they show any character talking
during a movie. In any show or movie.

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I'm like, stop, I feel the same anxiety when any character is
driving and then they look over to the next person and start
talking and making eye contact with them.
I'm like, I get so much anxiety.Yeah, I'm like, that's what's
happening. Eyes on the road.
Eyes on the road. 10:00 and 2:10and 2:00.
Yes. Oh, OK, Another line.

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These are just like, so quintessential Amy Sherman
Palladino rants. It's in the French ballet.
One of the female ballerinas is complaining.
I think it's about Tobias or it's about Gabal.
And she's like, this is like, mysister's wedding all over again.
I had to wear Peach. I won't wear Peach again.
And like went on this rant abouthaving to wear Peach.

(49:55):
I remember that because she had like the big bonnet thing.
That was another line when they were, Oh my God, when they were
watching reels of Cheyenne's past interviews and Jack's like,
Oh no, she's so bad. And then you see one interview
where the guys like, do you everworry about repeating yourself?

(50:18):
And she's like, fuck you. I don't know.
Next question. PR training style.
OK, I think those are all of my funny lines.
I think we can probably talk about the Gilmore Girls stuff.
Unleash me. So Yappers, as you know, I am a

(50:41):
huge Gilmore Girls fan. I've watched all the seasons
many times. I've listened to the Gilmore
Guys podcast a few times. And so I know a lot about Amy
Sherman Palladino and Daniel Palladino style, who also
created Gilmore Girls. So I guess I'll just start with
kind of the theme of dance. So Amy Sharon Palladino has

(51:05):
created three shows now which heavily featured dance.
It's Bun Heads, which was her show that she started right
after Gilmore Girls, which was also about a ballet studio.
And then at 12. And honestly, I haven't watched
Marvelous Miss Maisel, so I don't know if there's a lot of
dance featured in that one, no. Not really, it is more about the
comedy. OK, OK.

(51:27):
Yeah. So I after this show came out, I
was like, Oh my gosh, another ballet show.
What is Amy Sherman Palladino's connection to ballet?
She's a bun head. She she is a bun head.
She got that big old ball. But yeah, she did dance for a
very long time during her childhood.
And and she, in an interview I read was just like, dance is

(51:51):
such an interesting world. It's really not the world that
other shows and movies depicted as.
Like she used tiny pretty thingsas an example, which was I think
a Netflix show from sometime during the pandemic.
I want to say it was, it was a drama set in a ballet studio,
like kind of Ginny and Georgia vibes, but in a ballet, ballet

(52:11):
studio. And she was like, it's not just
these like pretty ethereal things.
And then like suddenly there's amurder.
It's so much weirder than that. And so she's always like wanted
to express just the weirdness ofthe dance world in television
format. So I would say Bun Heads, that
was a show that got cancelled after one season and fans loved

(52:36):
it, but critics hated it, which was really strange.
But yeah, I was honestly, I tried watching that show about a
year ago and I couldn't really get into it.
I think they were, they were trying to kind of capture that
small town magic of Gilmore Girls, but like in a different
setting. But it kind of felt like a lot

(52:57):
of the charm was unearned in a way that they spent so much time
developing in Gilmore Girls. It's like, oh, you've come to
love the town and you love Luke and you love, you know, all of
the townies and everything. But then in Bun Heads, it felt
like she was for not she, but the show was kind of forcing you
to love these characters that you had had not bonded with yet.

(53:22):
I think that was my issue with it.
And it moved very slowly. But so does Gilmore Girls, and I
hadn't. I didn't have a problem with
that. So I don't know why I couldn't
really get into bun heads. Well, but the good news is that
Exwatt will have a second season.
It's yeah, yeah. Oh my.
Gosh. Prime Video ordered the show for
two seasons when it was picked up in 2023.

(53:51):
OK so literally the day after wefinished recording the Atwal
episode, like the morning of, I woke up to a Google notification
saying that Atwal was cancelled.By Prime Video, even though it
had to. Even though Amazon had given it
a two season order, it was cancelled after the first season

(54:14):
and I woke up to that Google notification literally the day
after we recorded our episode. So sad, so heartbreaking.
Now season 2. Well, we have theories about
what may happen in Season 2 and yeah, come up with your own
because they're all going to be in Season 2.

(54:35):
Whatever theory you have, yappers, that is the truth now.
That is your Canon. Protect your truth, protect your
peace. Don't let Amazon Prime get you
down. And with that, back to the
episode. And then I guess in Gilmore
Girls, the connection to dance there.

(54:55):
So in the town, there's this character named Miss Patty who
runs a dance studio. And in almost every kind of
panning of the town where you see the entire town and
someone's like walking by the whole town, they always pass
Miss Patty's studio. And she's like teaching a ballet
class to little girls and they're in like an apple outfit
or in their tutus and dancing. So yeah, she always had some

(55:19):
sort of dance aspect to it. And then one particular episode
was the dance marathon episode. The episode title is They shoot
Gilmore's, Don't they? Which I know just off the top of
my head for absolutely no reason.
Anyway, it's Season 3. They shoot Gilmore's.
Yeah, it's the episode title is they shoot Gilmore's, don't

(55:40):
they? Which is never said in the
actual episode. It's a reference to, I believe,
some movie that just has a dancemarathon in it.
And the only connection to that movie is that there is also a
dance marathon in this episode. Yeah.

(56:01):
Anyway, unimportant. It's an episode in season 3 and
it's a in that episode, there isa dance marathon for the town of
Stars Hollow. And there's a really cool dance
sequence at the beginning of thedance marathon where they show
like all of the dancers dancing.And it's all this like really
beautifully choreographed thing.And fun fact, it was

(56:21):
choreographed by Kenny Ortega, who also choreographed High
School Musical. Wow.
OK, so some other similarities to Gilmore Girls, obviously.
Well, obviously one who's watched Gilmore Girls, there
were a lot of overlapping actors.
So the actor that plays Rafael, who's Jean Via's right hand man,

(56:44):
his name is Yannick Tisdale. He played, of course, Michelle
Gerard in Gilmore Girls. Kelly Bishop, who plays Jack's
mom. Is Emily Gilmore one of the main
characters I. Didn't know that.
Wow. Yeah.
Yes, I heard her voice and I waslike, yes, Kelly Bishop, she's

(57:06):
here. Then there was one guy who was
on the board of the MetropolitanBallet Theatre.
I don't know his real name, but he plays Headmaster Charleston,
who is Rory's high school principal.
De Ken Matthews. Yes, Dickon Matthews.

(57:26):
Oh, this guy, yes. Yeah, He's like on board, empty
chair, you know, Doesn't that I can get that guy.
Yeah. That guy.
Yep, and then there were two actors that I read were in
Marvelous Miss Mazal, but I did not watch that show so there
honestly might have been more. There is Luke Kirby who plays

(57:49):
the main character on this show,Jack.
Was he the main male lead in Marvelous Smith's Maisel?
Well, there are a couple main leads.
The other main one is Gideon Glick, who plays Tobias, was
also in Marvelous Smith's Maiseland plays Alfie, who is a

(58:10):
magician. Question mark.
Yeah. And I read that they initially
had not cast him as Tobias, but he was involved in the writing
process of the character Tobias.And then they were like, you
should just do it. Cute.
Yeah. OK, yes, so Luke Kirby plays

(58:34):
Lenny Bruce in Marvelous Misses Nasal.
Yes. So he is one of the main leads.
I didn't recognize him because in Marvelous Misses Nasal, his
hair is like super slicked bag and in the show he has like so
much hair and it's really curly.So I didn't recognize him, but
but yeah, OK. OK, cool.

(58:55):
And then the last 3 similaritiesare parallels.
Episode 8 of ETWO, they reference Rosemary's Baby and
there's like a very famous scenefrom Gilmore Girls that
references Rosemary's Baby when Rory meets Dean for the very
first time and she's like, God, you're like Ruth Gordon just
standing there, make a noise. And then he's like Rosemary's

(59:16):
Baby and she stands up and she'slike what?
And that's how they meet, yeah, you know, just 216 year olds
referencing Rosemary's Baby in the year 2000.
As one dies. Another one, this happened in

(59:38):
episode 1 of at 12. I think they're, I think it was
when they were talking about thechampagne glasses going missing
and they're like, what are the, what are the costs?
What do the costs cost, cost, cost?
And they, they like had that banter about the phrase costs
cost. It very much reminded me of this

(01:00:01):
episode in Gilmore Girls where they're in a town meeting and
the town selectman, Taylor, is mad because this man opens a
farmers market right across the store from his grocery store.
And he's like, this man does notright have the right permits.

(01:00:22):
He needs a cart kiosk, cart, kiosk, permit.
And everyone's like, Taylor, why'd you say it twice?
Yeah, you said cart, kiosk, cart, kiosk.
And then Roy and Lorelai are like, it's repetitive and
redundant. It's repetitive and redundant.
Another very famous scene from Gilmore Girls.

(01:00:42):
OK, not going to lie, that wouldannoy me so.
Much. Wait, what?
What part about that would annoyyou with?
This scene, because I feel like cart kiosk, cart kiosk is like
obviously a repetitive thing. And then that like someone
writes in that is unnatural for someone to say.
And then Rory and Lorelai kind of like making fun of that by

(01:01:05):
also repeating all of their sentences.
I'd be like, I feel like you guys are just killing time right
now. I think that's what would
irritate me. About being in the world or
watching the show. Watching the show.
OK. Yeah, whatever, really.
People. Love that line cost, cost.
It's like, yeah, cost, cost, cost.

(01:01:27):
And then they just moved on, youknow?
And so like, that was like, yeah, OK, that's like a funny
tick that you kind of have to say as a character in that
moment, and then you kind of think about it and you're like,
whatever, I'm just going to moveon.
I felt like that was more relatable than being like, yeah,
close cost, redundant and repetitive.
Oh, let's like spend 5 minutes talking about how redundant and

(01:01:49):
repetitive this is. That irritates me.
It's repetitive and redundant. It's repetitive and redundant.
She hates it. She hates Gilmore Girls.
I think that is what irritated me about Gilmore Girls in
general because also I, I haven't watched it enough to,

(01:02:10):
you know, feel the warmth of thecharacters.
Yeah. And I know that there is warmth
there because you talk about it so much, but I just haven't put
in the time and investment to feel that way.
So all I feel is irritation. To be fair, that's also how I
felt about the show before I started watching it.
Seriously. Like when it was just airing on
WB or CW and I would catch glimpses of it, I would be like,

(01:02:34):
these ladies are annoying as hell.
But then I actually started watching it and I was like, oh,
they're loveable. Yeah, because I understand that
the lovable moments are not the viral moments.
It's like this. The witty 1 liners is what gets
the most attention when you're trying to promote a show to new

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watchers. So I get that.
It's just that those one liners haven't actually made me want to
go deeper into the show to find the heart warming moments.
So fair, very fair. OK.
The last parallel that I noticedwas the scene where Jean Viev

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comes to these two people that are standing there and one guy's
holding a bull by the reins and the two of them are fighting
about the inclusion of the bull on stage.
So I will play you the scene from Etwall, Etwall and then I
will play you another scene fromGilmore Girls, OK.

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I'm so excited. Wait, can you hear this all
right? Guys, talk to me.
What's happening? This man tells me that no one
can move in front of the bull while he's on stage.
It's a bull, no one on stage canbe wearing red.
It put charge when it says red and my little Sopranos costume
is red. I would change that unless you
don't like your little Sopranos.She sings up 3 area in front of

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the pool. Can you change the costume?
It's too late to change the costume.
No one in the first 3 rolls should wear rather easy and the
curtain goes up in 4 hours. Not if it's red.
Can you restate the? Scene.
OK, so that's one scene. Tell me.
Yeah, me too. And then the scene from Gilmore

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Girls. I just do what I'm told.
I want you to stop. I'm trying to.
Do you speak English too? Are you listening to me?
What too? I got here as quickly as I
could. Hi, Carter.
I see he's a scoundrel. I'm just doing my job.
What's going on? Am I?
Am I not the headman in charter floral deliveries?
Yes, and one of the human I knowwho would probably declare that
fact. I'm just doing my job, stop
saying that. This is with flowers we ordered.

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Flowers, we did not all day, just doing my job.
Say that one more time and I'm going to punch your nose.
Do you do you see the parallel? I thought it was like the woman
like walks into these two men just, like bickering over
something. And she's like, what?
And they're like the flowers arelike the bull and the other guys
like I don't want to deal with this.
And he's like, but my bull. And he's like, I don't care.

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I don't want to deal with this. And he's like, but the bull
can't see red. And then it's like the flowers.
And he's like, I'm the head man in charge of flowers.
And he's like, but she has to sign for the flowers.
I want to sign for. Yeah.
OK, I guess cuz I hadn't seen that scene before so I didn't
really see the the parallels theGilmore.
OK. I was expecting to see a bull
honestly. Oh, no.

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OK. Yeah, I, I think after you
explained it, I can see it. It's a very parallel structure
of like 2 guys talking about pointless things, and then this
woman comes in as like who was actually in charge and she's
like, what's going on? And then like moves on.
Yeah, what happened to the bull and as well we.

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Never saw it actually on stage, which I was hoping to see.
Yeah, I don't think we ever got a resolution to the problem
either, no. I wonder what they did just not
wear red. And no one in the first 3 rows
should be wearing red. I laughed at that.
I was like dude how is this not in the fine print when you

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rented the bull in the first place?
So funny. OK, well, going back to Atwal,
so the show ends with Nicholas coming back from the hospital
and Cheyenne, who hears that Nicholas is back and is very
disappointed that Nicholas is back because she actually really
did want to become art director,is saying you're back.

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We'll see. So that was very ominous.
What are your predictions for what happens next?
I think Cheyenne will want to stay in New York as a dancer.
I don't know if that's in her power or not, but maybe Jack can
pull some strings to keep her there.
But I definitely don't think shewants to go.

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I don't think she wants to go back to Paris.
And I don't think Jean Viev onceher in Paris.
So I think Cheyenne will stay inNew York.
Seems like Tobias wants to stay in Paris.
He's like Paris changed me and now he got a Boo.
And what about? Oh please bring that poor girl
back to New York. She does not want to be in

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Paris. Although she got a Boo now too.
True. I think Nishi will come around
to Paris. I think season 2 will all will
be about her redemption arc and I think she will start growing a
spine and and like actually having those hard conversations
with her parents and I think shewill make it in in Paris.

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I like that. I like that.
One thing I didn't like was thatI thought it was really
refreshing that the show had barely any romance in it for
most of the episodes, and I didn't like that the resolution
of like 4 of the major characters or the end, I guess

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like the end of the show for four of the major characters in
the show. We're all about romance.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so it was the couples at
the end were Gayle and Jack, sister Quinn, the conductor.
Then it was Jack and Cheyenne were seen kissing at the end of
the episode. And we find out that they had a

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history five years ago. We knew that.
When did we know that? OK, maybe I missed that.
Yeah, I think they had mentionedit at some point or like
referenced it at some point earlier in the in the season
some I think when maybe when Cheyenne had sex on his couch or
something. I think that's kind of when they
kind of talked about it. And then Jack was like, trust

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me, you don't want to go down that route and then you have a
lot of guys and yeah, so I thinkthey they had referenced it.
OK, then who is the any other couples?
Tobias and Gabon. Yes, Tobias and Gabon, Michi and
her dude. Yeah, to man.
He didn't come back. Monday night, man.

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Yeah. But basically all the major
characters, the very last thing we see of them is like, their
romance or their romantic life. Yeah, I was like, why?
Why? Like we didn't.
The whole show was barely about this.
Why is this the last thing we see?
It should be a side plot like itwas for the whole show.
I totally feel that way. I felt like at the end it was
like, and you and you and you and you.

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Yeah. But I think I do want to see
Cheyenne be the art director. I honestly felt a little baited
by Nicholas dying and then not dying and then.
Me too, like coma but then he's fine.
But then he's in bad coma. But then he's fine.
Yeah. Oh, it's just a Dusseldorf coma.

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Oh, actually it's a 2011 coma. But now he's back and he's like
jumping up and everything. And yeah, that was like fun.
Episode 5 In three different conversations, characters
reference different sleeping pills that they were taking.
I didn't realize that. So at first it's in the American

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or the Metropolitan Ballet Theatre and the female
ballerinas are like, oh, like I take melatonin every single
night and the other girls like girl, I take Trazodone every
night and then the other girls like I always do Benadryl and
white wine. So that's one conversation.
And then when the old people andShan's mom and me, she are at

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the river and they're like fishing and stuff, someone's
like, I don't remember what theysaid, like something, something
Demerol or something. Like they were talking about
needing some pill to go to sleep.
And I was like, oh, that's another reference.
And then in the same episode we see Kelly Bishop, Jack's mom,
and she's like, I need a Klonopin.

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And I was like, whoa, like everyone's talking about
sleeping pills. I do remember the Klonopin
comment because I think that's just like the type of character
that she is. But what, like, what did you do?
Do research on why that was. I don't.
I think it was just like a fun bit that they wanted to include
an episode where everyone's justtalking about sleeping pills.

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I don't know. Internationalization.
Sleeping pills be everywhere. Yep.
Oh, when did you clock that Tobias and Gabal were going to
romantically untangle? Like the first time that they

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danced together. What?
Really. Yeah, 'cause they got super
close to each other and I was like, great, now kiss.
And then he did it and I was like, what?
And then the second time that ithappened, they also got really
close. I was like, now kiss and it
didn't happen. And then they I think they got a
little bit closer though the second time around.

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And then it showed Tobias talking to Jonathan Groff being
like breaking up even though they didn't have a relationship
in the 1st place. And then I was like, oh, that's
why they didn't kiss, because Tobias thought that he was in a
relationship to this man who is now engaged and then.
Seen in over a year. Yeah.

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And then the after that, then the third time I was like OK now
kiss. And then it still seem to
happen. And then I think at the very end
then they kissed. I was like finally, jeez.
I think the first time it happened I was like oh is this a
thing? And then I completely forgot

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about it until episode 5. I wrote down Gabon.
Pursuing friendship with Tobias is interesting.
I feel like it's more than sucking up romance question
mark. Hell yeah.
So preceptive, Shalini. It's Brad mud, bitches.

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OK, I. Think I was more surprised that
Jack was straight. So actually.
Oh, actually, yeah, in the beginning, Yeah.
In the beginning when they were talking about Gael, Cheyenne was
like, oh, we have to bring back Gael.
And then I think they were talking about how Gael basically
had a lot of sexual escapades. And then even Jack was like,

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yeah, even me or something like that.
And then I think now I realize that he was referencing the
relationship that Gael had with his sister.
But at the time I was like, OK, so Jack is at least bi, it
seems. Maybe.
But yeah, he was straight. That's funny.

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I don't think I thought he was gay ever.
But I did like, I, I liked how, I guess this is kind of changing
the subject, but while we're talking about Jack, I really
liked how much respect he showedtowards Cheyenne, to everyone
else, to when the choreographer came up to Jack and he was like,

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Cheyenne's being ridiculous. She's made us listen to this
piece 3 hours long. She's questioning all of my
decisions, each and every singleone.
And then he's not like Cheyenne,like, be more reasonable or
something. He's like, well, she's earned
the right to question your decisions.
You know, like he always definedher, which I thought was really
sweet. That is true.

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I I do think Jack was a really good leader.
And actually, there is a, there was one point where his parents
were like, oh, Jack, you know, you don't have a musical bone in
your body, but you're a good leader.
I, I was like, oh, Jack, I feel like that must have been
actually very heartbreaking for him to, to love music so much,

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but to not have that talent in himself.
And so I'm glad that he found itin a different way though.
Oh, yeah, I, I thought he was a really good leader too.
And especially I first thought that when his first reaction to
Susu being there was not to like, kick her out or fire the

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mom. That was never even a question.
He was just like, should I let her into class or not?
And then he did. It was so sweet, I thought.
He was super drunk. It was like 22 AM and he was
really drunk from the whatever event there was.
And then he was like, yeah, bring Susu in for class
tomorrow. I was like Aww, I didn't even

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remember to do the proper paperwork the next day.
He's a big ol softie. Do you think in season 2 this is
just a thought that occurred to me.
If he and Cheyenne pursue a romantic relationship, do you
think Jean Viev will like turn into this villain character
because he like stole the her lead at 12 for ballet and also

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like replace Jean via romantically with the atoll?
There's going to be some sort offalling out.
I think there's got to be. I think my prediction is that
they're going to start Season 2 with Nicholas on the ground.
Wow, that would be crazy. Yeah.
And then Cheyenne will be like, I think Cheyenne and Jack will

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kind of have a somewhat of a romantic relationship.
And then for some reason, I don't think Jack is going to
pick Cheyenne for art director and then she's going to get
pissed and go back to France or something.
I could see that happening. That's a good prediction.
That's a good prediction. I think if if Nicholas does die
off screen, that would be very, very on brand for Amy and Dan to

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do that in their show because they like basically never show
character. I was surprised they even showed
him having that heart attack or whatever, or like entering the
coma. I don't know what happened to
him. But yeah, they usually they just
show like someone's fine and then the next scene suddenly
they're not fine. But they don't show like what
happens usually. So maybe my theory.

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I could totally see that. Excellent.
Great. Anyway, should we rate?
All right, Yeah, Retoi. Retoi.
It's a. Huge retoi this Chao TOI.
Oh my God. Oh.
The correct pronunciation is retoi actually.

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Retoi, OH. No.
Oh no. Let's see, why would I read
this? Yeah, I think I would give it an
88.5. I did really like it.
I like the fact that it was based on loosely based on events

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that did actually happen where there was actually a ballet
swap. I liked all the characters.
I think I would dock it some points because because of the
whole C storyline thing, definitely were wide gaps
between certain characters were to the point that I just forgot
about them completely. And then when they came up, I
was like, Oh yeah, I forgot. But I did really like that.

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It did make me want to go to theballet and overall I thought it
was a really good watch and I'llprobably watch season 2.
Nice. I think I would.
Also, give it an 8. I was initially I came into this
conversation thinking 7.5, but Ithink I will give it an 8
because we've had such a great discussion today.
There's so much to talk about with the show and the creators

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have made such a rich world of eccentric characters.
I just wanted to be in the world.
I want to be in the dance rehearsals and at the theatre
and in Paris and in New York. It just made me want to be in
it, which I think is a very special quality in TV shows.
And yeah, I fell in love with the characters and I'm very

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excited that we're getting a Season 2.
So yeah, 8 out of 10. Yeah, yeah.
It really makes you feel like a ballet dancer.
Yeah, I can definitely touch my toes at any given moment.
OK, Benji Progressy. Benji Progressy.

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OK, what are you bingeing? While my sister mostly watches,
I'm watching Survivor 42 just from several seasons ago, but
one of the people from that season is going to be on
Survivor 50 coming up. So my sister's been binging it.
So I've like, as I make dinner or whatever, I've been watching
a little bit of it. Is Survivor 50 like Jeopardy

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masters or like Survivor masterswhere all of the previous?
Contestants come back. Think so.
I don't know if all of them are it.
It's very possible that all of them are, but I just know of
several past contestants that will be on it.
OK, OK. Well, I kind of gave away mine.
I've been watching Jeopardy Masters.

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Oh, so basically we've been watching the same show.
Oh, that's fun. Yeah, I started watching
Jeopardy. I actually don't normally watch
Jeopardy, but I follow it on Instagram and then I started
seeing a lot of those like Masters reels and content and
everything. So I think Jeopardy Masters
finale was June 5th and the winner was Yogesh Raut.

(01:20:57):
Yeah. So there is basically the way
they did it was they did the semi finals which consisted of
the top four players and from the semi finals they eliminated
1. And then the final game was 22
Jeopardy games that were betweenthe three top contestants which

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was Victoria Gross, Yogesh Rao and Juveria Zahir.
So we had two S Asians in the Jeopardy Masters finale.
It was super exciting. Okay, spoiler alert for Jeopardy
Masters. So if you haven't seen Jeopardy
Masters yet in 2025, skip over this part.

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But basically what happened in the finals is they did two games
right? So after the first game, Juveria
had a negative score, so she didn't even participate in Final
Jeopardy. Yogesh bet everything on Final
Jeopardy and got the last question wrong.
So he lost everything that he won in that game.
And Victoria Gross was the only one who actually came in with

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money. She got like 14,000 points and
then they started. So it's like the final score is
like your game one plus Game 2 score.
So basically they started Game 2with only Victoria having 14,000
points and then both Juveria andYogesh got Daily Double S where
they went all in on the Daily Double S.

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It was a true daily double and they both did it and they both
doubled their score, adding like14,015 thousand points to their
score. And then in the Final Jeopardy,
I think they all got it right, but Juveria basically came in
with like 20,000 points to FinalJeopardy and then bet just

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enough to beat Victoria's score.Even with the game one points
added to Victoria's score, whichwas crazy because Victoria was
uncontested in the semi final. So crazy she got first.
Place in all of the semi final games and then in the final game
she got third place. It was insane.
Quickest to rise. Quickest to fall.

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Yeah, very exciting. How do you say thank you in
French? Merci.
Merci PO yapping with us. Merci devoir beva de evicuno.
Yeah, merci devoir beva de evicuno.
Oh, she slowed down. Thanks for yapping with us.

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