Ginny & Georgia Season 3 (Netflix): Justice for Max

Georgia’s in jail, Ginny’s in therapy, and Austin’s... 14 years old. Season 3 of Ginny & Georgia kicks off with a wedding on hold and a criminal record in progress, and we are yapping about all of it. We cover Ginny’s journey from poetry to panic attacks, Georgia’s attempts to rebrand murder as motherly instinct, and how none of Max's friends deserve her. Plus, why is nobody in extracurriculars, and how are there only 20 people in the entire county to choose a jury from? Tune in as we dissect small-town scandals, teenage angst, and the unspoken truth that no one should trust Georgia with sharp objects.

Series synopsis (from Google):

Teenage Ginny and her family yearn to put down roots in a picturesque New England town after years on the run.

BYR Average Rating: 8.5/10

No. of episodes: 10 (~10.5 hour runtime)

Platform: Netflix

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Episode Transcript

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My Doubleton. What Doubleton?
Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.And I'm Shalini and we're your
hosts. A binge, yap, repeat.
We're two best friends who spendan embarrassing amount of time
binge watching TV, and honestly,we just need to talk about it.
If you're here, we're guessing you do too.

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Fair warning. This is a spoiler friendly zone.
We will be discussing lots of spoilers, so if you haven't
watched the show yet, hit pause,go binge, and come back when
you're ready to yap with us. And now it's yap time.

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OK, wait, I'm going to take my sweater off.
Oh. Rivian good sweatshirts though.
Say what you want about their cars, but their sweaters are
great. Secret lives and Mormon lives.
A lot of them had Rivian cars. I noticed that I well, I noticed
Michaela had a Rivian. Oh did did anyone else?

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I feel like I saw a lot of Rivian cars.
Maybe it was just Michaela. Guys.
Yeah. OK, OK.
Should we say hello? Let's say hello.
Hello. Welcome.
Welcome everyone. To another episode of Binge
Yapper Pete, Pete. Did we say that in unison?

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No, we did not. Oh look, should we clap?
0123 Nope. Nope.
That's OK. That's OK.
Yoppers the woes of remote recording.
Well, today we're going to talk about Ginny and Georgia season 3

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that Shalini and I finished earlier today.
We're ambitious. Some say we're crazy.
Some say we're committed to the cause.
Some. Don't know about us at all so
they can't say anything. Some don't even care enough to
say what they think about us. But you know, I have been, I

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mean, Shalini and I were talkingabout this earlier, but we have
been spoiled. Like this whole season felt like
it was spoiled because we just saw so much on Instagram of
like, Oh my God, the finale was crazy.
Oh, I hated it when Marcus did this.
And oh, I'm so glad that this thing happened with Georgia.
And I was like, I was still watching it.

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Like what the heck? Why are there so many posts
about all the spoilers that are going on?
I know. Like the show has been out for
two days. Have some courtesy people.
You got to warn people before you spoil on Instagram like
that. Yeah, at least in our podcast we
have it in our intro that this is a spoiler friendly zone and

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we will be discussing lots of spoilers, but ain't no one
getting that courtesy on Instagram.
That's the head courtesy kids these days.
These days. So anyway, a lot of this season
I felt like wasn't really a surprise, but yeah.
Yeah, the big one for me was George's pregnancy.

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I was just like, all right, whenare we gonna find out?
When are we gonna find out? And it was literally the last
second. Yeah, I got spoiled for that
because I think it was like a Google alert or something that
went to my phone about Ginny andGeorgia Season 3.
And the article headline was like, season 3 ends with

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Georgia's pregnancy. And I was like, huh?
And I yeah. And I hadn't even watched the
final episode yet. And I was like, I guess she's
pregnant. OK, let's let's get into it.
I want to talk. I want to talk about this.
OK. So Ginny in Georgia is an
American comedy drama televisionseries created by Sarah Lampert

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that was released on Netflix on February 24th, 2021.
That was the first season. The show was then renewed for
Four Seasons and season 3 was released on June 5th, 2025.
And if you haven't seen Jenny inGeorgia before, you got a lot to
catch up on. There's three seasons that are
out right now, but the basic premise is that Georgia Miller

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and her family, consisting of teenager Jenny Miller and 9 year
old Austin Miller, arrive in Wellsbury, Massachusetts seeking
a fresh start. Shalini, what were your overall
thoughts for this season? Well.
I really, really loved this season.
I was trying to think back to previous seasons.

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I remember loving season 1, actually throwback to season 1.
We watched it together during the pandemic.
We, like, came together for thisreally small trip with you, me
and Jing, who has also been on this podcast.
And watching Season 3 really brought me back to the pandemic
and watching that together in our Airbnb in Charleston.

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Yeah, like we're so into this show.
I think also the ambience is right because Georgia Miller,
the character, has a very thick Southern accent and when we were
watching it in Charleston, we were like, we are so Southern
right now if we are. Southern Belles, just like
Georgia. Yeah, exactly.

(05:47):
It was really nice. Yeah, I remember thinking that
Season 2 felt just a little too different from Season 1 and
that, like, I don't know, I think, you know, Max and Ginny's
friendship just suddenly fell apart and took so long to come
back together. I felt like not a lot happened.
Not a lot. The plot wasn't progressing

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super quickly and I remember by episode 7 of season 2 I was like
what has even happened this season?
In contrast, I feel like season 3 was so action-packed.
Things were happening every single episode.
Jenny's personal life was changing all the time.
Obviously George's trial was kind of the overarching plot of

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the season. I thought there was a lot of
interesting character arcs and and subplots that were told in a
knot in your face way. Like I feel like a lot of high
school dramas are. So that was quite refreshing.
And I was really invested in allof the characters and I have so

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much love for all of the characters.
And I felt conflicted about whose side I was on and so many
things. Yes, I absolutely love this
season. Yeah, I thought it was a really
great season. I agree.
I think a lot of the side characters and side plots were
were really fleshed out and I did I felt really invested in
all of those characters. I did feel like it dragged a

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little bit at the beginning. I remember thinking in episode 3
or so I was like, okay, I know like definitely the trial is
going to happen, but it hasn't happened yet.
It felt like they were teeing upa lot of things that just
didn't. It was taking a while for it to
start. But I agree, I think once it got
past that point, it was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom

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boom. Every every scene was like, Oh
my God, what is happening now? So yeah, I agree.
I really like this season. I don't really remember what
happened in season 2 to be honest.
Yeah, honestly, me neither. And I don't think very much
happened. I think it was that on Jenny's
side, she and Marcus started dating officially, but then at

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the end of the season he breaks up with her because he's too
depressed and just doesn't want to put that burden on her.
And then on her friendship side,I think she and Max start out
not being friends because Max ismad that she kept that.
The fact that she was with her, she was like in love with Marcus
or like had slept with Marcus from her.

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And so Abby and Ginny get reallyclose because Max is also mad at
Abby because Abby knew and then Max and Nora become close.
And so it's like 2V2 for a lot of it.
And then on the Georgia side, I think it's just that Season 2 is
when we learn about Gil and thatback story were introduced to

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him. And I think we just learn a
little bit more about her past. And then at the same time, Paul
proposes to her. So they're like gearing up for
this big wedding. I think that was the gist of
Season 2. Gill being Walmart Neil Patrick
Harris. So.
Accurate. Yeah, Season 2 was more about

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Gill and the back story for sure.
Yeah. So if season 2 was a 2V2 with
Max and Nora versus Abby and Ginny, Season 3 was a 3V1.
I don't know why poor Max was just excluded.
Like everyone, everyone just hung out without her or like

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just didn't involve her at all. And I know that the way that
they showed it in this season was a lot of oh, we just
happened to hang out and things just happened to be here.
Like we just happened to be dress shopping at the same time.
But it definitely wasn't texted that way in the group chat.
And so it led to some hurt feelings.

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And then I was like, why didn't they just say that it happened
all accidentally? I, I don't know, I felt really
bad for Max this season. My heart.
I would say the character that broke my heart the most this
season was Max. Like she has been there for
every single friend from day one, defending them, fighting

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for them, being there for them as a sounding board or whatever
is a source of comfort. And then everyone just turns on
her, and then she starts to react to it, and they're like,
stopping dramatic. Yeah.
It was so unfair. And no one.
I just felt like no one in her life was taking care of her.
Her mom and dad are too busy taking care of Marcus.

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Marcus is too busy trying to take care of himself.
Jenny has so much shit going on.Her other two friends think
she's too dramatic. Her girlfriend Silver doesn't
think anything's ever wrong withanything, ever.
She. I was just like Max, my heart.
And I also really identified with her just as kind of the
sibling that like needs to be OKbecause I feel like that

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happened so much in families where one sibling kind of has
more going on that the parents need to focus on.
And as a result, the other sibling just has to put on this
happy face, has to put on this front to show the parents like,
don't worry, I know you have your hands full.
So I'm fine and I will be fine. And but then there's no one

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looking out for her. It just broke my heart.
So much justice for Maxine. Yeah, no one watches the
Watcher. No one.
Watches the. Watcher the Caretaker.
Yeah, yeah, I, I felt bad for her too.
I think it got to the point where in, I think it was the

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last episode where she's doing her play Moose.
Love that play, by the way. I wanted to watch that full
play. I was like, wow, this set design
and costumes are so good Anyway,with when she was performing at
Moose and then she was looking at Marcus and the audience and
he's sipping from this bottle and she's like, Oh my God, I

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know he's an alcoholic, but I can't do anything.
I actually thought that she was gonna do something on stage and
just like completely lose it. But she doesn't.
She keeps it together. Amazing performance, amazing
showmanship. And after the show, she's like,
what the hell, Marcus? I'm going to tell the like, I'm
going to tell our parents. And I thought that was also a

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testament to how we kind of expect her to crumble in front
of all of this pressure. But she doesn't.
She just keeps it together because she needs to keep it
together. And everyone is relying on her
to keep it together. So yeah, I I really felt bad for
Max. I know it was so sad.
And sure, when she's in a good mood, she is a very theatrical

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person. That doesn't mean that every
single time she expresses something, it's an overreaction
or that she's dramatic. I was getting so upset.
So at the beginning of the season, when she's telling
everyone about what's happening with the trial and how, like,
Jenny's been keeping her in the loop, and Marcus is like, Max,
don't make this about you. I was like, that's actually
fair. Because she kind of was a little

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bit making it about herself or, you know, she was just relishing
the fact that she was so close to Ginny and she knew everything
going on. I thought that was fair.
But by the end of the season, when Marcus says that to Max,
like, don't make this about you,I was like, she's literally not.
And she was so right when she had that fight with Marcus and
she's like, actually, everything's about you because

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no one in this fucking town can focus on me because everyone's
focusing on you. And I was like, that's so fair.
Like, obviously he has a lot going on.
She's not even trying to discount that.
She's just like, you don't even realize because everything's
about you, that nothing's about me.
You think everything's about me?Yeah, yeah, I I'm glad that she
pushed back. I think everything that she said

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with to Marcus at the end was super valid.
I think we're both coming from this as maybe I don't know.
I also feel like I'm the siblingwho like has it together.
And so every family conversationis always about my sister and
like, oh, like, is she doing OK?Like what's she up to?
And I'm and I'm like. All right, yeah, right.

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And like, to be fair, I've neverfelt like my parents don't value
when I have an issue in in the same way that I think Maxine's
parents disregard her emotions sometimes, but must be really
hard. And the fact that she kept it
together during the performance is like, Oh my God.
Like you're so mature. You're so mature.

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And even after that, even after Marcus says he's never gonna
speak to her again, even after all of her friends ditch her,
she is still fighting for Marcus's well-being.
Like she still goes to the party, tries to bring him home
when his parents send him to hisroom.
She doesn't like breakdown crying and isn't like, mom, no
one's taking care of me. She's like, mom, you have to get

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Marcus help. It's just.
And during that performance, shewas also fighting with Sophie
and Silver at the same time while dealing with Marcus, while
also knowing that Jenny wasn't there for her performance.
Yeah, this girl is doing it all.She is doing so much and no one
appreciates her. I did appreciate the one that

(15:16):
insight that we got into Max's thought process, that scene
where she's like, do I tell do Itell Jenny about her mom?
Do I talk to Marcus that his bike is gone?
Is Marcus OK? I need to do my homework.
I need an essay and I need to dothis essay so that I can do my
performance and then then I would have to do both at the
same time. I also have to put the chicken

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in the oven. She was thinking about all of
these things. One thing that I noticed is when
she went to turn off the lights,she like turned it off and on.
And then she turned it off and on and was like, oh, my family's
gonna die off and on again. And then she left, right?
Did you catch that? I was like.
No. D.

(15:58):
Oh I don't know if she has OCD, it was definitely giving ADHD
that whole monologue but I don'tI didn't notice the lights
thing. Yeah, I was, yeah.
So definitely I was like, OK, maybe ADHD, But then when she
did that thing with the lights, she like, she was like, she
flipped the switch. Then she flipped the switch

(16:19):
again. And then she like, she was like,
oh, I didn't do this right. My family's gonna die.
And then she flipped the switch again.
And then she moved on. And I was like, I feel like
that's OCD behavior also. I don't know if that's the the
right term. Anymore oh for like the
compulsive, like gotta do thingsthree times kind of thing.
Yes, I'm not sure. OK, I think it is OCD but OK

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listeners correct me if I'm wrong.
If it's not OCD, if that's not the right term let me know.
But yes, I think it is OCD in terms of G felt this compulsive
need to turn the light switch onand off a certain way a certain
number of times so that her family doesn't die.
So that's kind of what I read itas.
But then they didn't get into that at all.
So I was a little confused. I was like, OK, maybe that's

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something that will be explored in Season 4, perhaps.
Not sure. But yeah, I was, I was like,
what? What was that?
Just kind of moved on. Interesting.
I did think there was a lot of unresolved things about the Mac
storyline, so maybe that is something that will come back.
Or maybe it was just to show that she's like, like a quirky,

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superstitious person that's like, I must do this three times
and my family's going to die. But more is a superstition than
a compulsion. I don't.
Know OK, I don't know. But yeah, going back to the
inner dialogue, when she's like,oh, my math homework, I can't do
that. I have to play, but I also have
to write an essay. It'll set to do both of those

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things on the same night, blah, blah, blah.
I was like, this is such an accurate depiction of the inside
of my brain. Just constantly I'm like, I need
to take Maui out but I have to. I have to go to the gym today
but I need to eat healthy. What should I eat today?
Did I do groceries? What's in my fridge?
Like literally the same dialoguein my head.

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Yeah, same. I think, I think everyone has
that, that dialogue of just likeI need to do a million things
and I can only do 1000 of them. It's my priority.
Well, so once I asked my boyfriend at the time, but ex W
like so we both drove to work inour separate cars and like my

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entire commute I would be like, Oh my God, what time am I going
to get to work? How much time am I going to have
before my first meeting blah blah blah.
And then like when we both parked once I was like, So what
was going through your head whenyou were driving?
And he was like no brain activity.
I was like, what? What does it mean to not be an

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overthinker? What the heck?
So that's why I was like, well, maybe not everyone is like.
This. Wow.
Is this a woman thing? Is this a gender thing?
It very well maybe, I don't know.
I do think women overthink more than men do.

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And I think actually, let me rephrase that.
I think men underthink and womenthink to the level that they
should be thinking. Sometimes they can overthink,
but men more often underthink. I totally agree.
Actually, I was having, I was having like a conversation with
Andrew and I was talking to him about.
I was like, oh, I feel like I always think about how you will

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react to the things that I say. And then I kind of like change
my actions or change my words accordingly so that we get a
more productive outcome. But I feel like whenever you say
things, I don't think you think about, you know, how I will
react to it. And you, you just kind of say
whatever. And he was like, oh, that seems
like a lot of overhead on your part.
And then and then I was like, yeah, it has a lot of overhead.

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But then I was thinking about this and I was like, why is it
that when I say something like this, it's it's like a Richie is
doing too much instead of Andrewis doing?
More. Yeah, like.
Yeah, it's so interesting. About this I need you to
reflect. Please, Sir, reflect.

(20:21):
That actually reminds me of, I think the end of that same
episode. We also hear Maxine's inner
thoughts. Actually wrote it down 'cause I
identified with it so much. But when after she and Marcus
have their fight and then she kind of turns over in bed and is
scrolling on her phone and liking the pictures of her
friends when they were hanging out without her.

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So she says because he's like, you don't understand how I feel.
And then he storms off. And then she says, I understand
how he feels because I feel it too.
I just hide it better. I worry about him all the time.
Does he worry about me too? Does anyone think about me as
much as I think about them? I know I feel too much, but
isn't that good too? Because I would do anything for

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the people I love. I was like, Oh my God, yeah, she
probably does think about him way more than he thinks about.
Her. Yeah, that's so true.
Wait, was that Max who said it or?
Yeah, that was Max who said thatafter she and Marcus fight.
Yeah. Thanks the victim of the season.

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I know justice for Max. Is for Max.
Like who's taking care of her? Just want to give her a big ol
hug. Yeah, who?
OK, Speaking of girlfriend, who do you ship with Max?
I I think personality wise Sophie for sure, they just click
way better than she and Silver do.

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But I think it's totally valid that Max doesn't want to get
back together with Sophie because Sophie just ditched her
out of the blue and you can't just get over something like
that. What was their breakup story
again? I honestly completely forgot
about Sophie. It was like who was Sophie when
this started? And I was like, oh, I kind of
vaguely remember, but I'm not sure.

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I think they break up towards the end of Season 1, and I think
it's because Sophie says that Max is too much of a kid for her
or is too immature or something.I think that was the reason.
And then she was like, oh, I'm going to college next year.
So like, why does it even, like,does not none of this matters?

(22:28):
So I don't think we need to be together.
Yeah. Here we are four years later,
still in sophomore year. You could have gotten a whole
ass degree by now, Sophie. And what you doing?
You're still in the school play.So you know who else?

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Unfortunately, time has not escaped?
Austin, who is now the oldest 9 year old this.
Poor actor is fighting for his life.
What? Are they gonna do in Season 4?
Are they just gonna keep going? Are they just gonna pray that he

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stops growing and his voice stops deepening?
Like what? Are they gonna just magically
send him to summer camp or send him to Michigan so that they
just ride him out of the show? Dude, it's so funny.
I actually even felt that when season 2 came out, I was like,
oh, Austin's noticeably older. But now when I look back at

(23:34):
season 2 and season 3, I'm like,he was still young.
It's crazy that I noticed that difference and he's like 4X that
difference now. Seriously.
Oh my gosh, I there was an Instagram Reel that I saw that
was like the end of Season 2. It's like Austin as a really
young kid, just like running away when Georgia gets arrested

(23:56):
and then in Season 3 and like Jenny's running after him.
And then season 3 starts with Jenny being like, Austin, are
you OK? And it's like this grown boy,
teenage boy instead of the nine year.
Old that ran away. Yeah.
It's like, oh, we're supposed tobelieve that only 5 minutes have
passed between these two scenes?Yeah, like he grew up in 10

(24:21):
seconds. Oh my God, yeah.
So this actor, his name is Diesel La Turaca, He's
Australian and he is 14 years old, supposed to be playing a
nine year old. He's taller than Jenny,
basically the same age as Jenny is supposed to be in the show.
Also his friend Zach whenever they showed him Zach is like

(24:45):
taller than his mother. He's supposed to be nine years
old. I was like, something's in the
water at Willsbury. These 9 year olds are big and
strong. Yeah, it didn't Take Me Out a
little bit because there were many scenes where Austin was

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acting the way that a nine year old would act.
But it was so weird because he just looked old.
And I was like, why is he actinglike this?
Oh, right, he was. He's supposed to be 9 in this
scene. That's why he's still a child.
He's still a child. Yep, and I could tell.
I mean, I guess the character Austin has always been quite

(25:27):
quiet, but I feel like they tried to make him extra quiet
just to not draw attention to his deepened voice.
Yes, Oh my gosh, this voice was so deep.
And I didn't, I didn't realize that it was that bad until I saw
scenes from Season 2 where I waslike, Oh my gosh, yeah, this is
very different. Puberty came for him hard and

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fast. Completely unrelated, I have a
fun fact with Scott Porter who is the mayor of Wellsbury and
also Jenny's husband at the start of season 3.
Paul Randolph. Paul Randolph.
Yes, Mayor Paul Randolph. Scott Porter.

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Guess what is also from Central Florida.
Oh, I think I knew he was from the South because he was on
Friday Night Lights and I, I don't know, I just thought all
of them are from the South. And not only is he in from
Central Florida, but he also didacapella.

(26:32):
No way. Yes.
He was a. Founding member of Voice Play
which is an acapella group from Orlando, FL and they actually
participated in the Sing Off season 4.
He was in it. He no, he wasn't in it.
So I think what happened is theywent to UCF, they formed this

(26:54):
acapella group after UCF. There's like 5 members.
The Scott Porter was with them and then he and another member
went off to do their own thing. So Scott Porter went off to do
acting and then another member went off to do Broadway.
And then the three remaining members just kind of like filled
in people and then those memberswent and did the sing off.

(27:14):
Season 4, the same season as thePhilharmonic, the Filipino
acapella group. Oh, interesting.
Wow. I never would have pegged him
for an acapella boy. I think because I was introduced
to him as Jason St. from Friday Night Lights, who's like the
quintessential popular quarterback guy.
Oh, I see. I, well, I didn't watch Friday

(27:36):
Night Light, so I didn't, I didn't really know that he was
on Friday Night Light until I started looking him up because
of the acapella thing. Yeah, I found this out because I
was like on YouTube and then I follow, I follow voice play on
YouTube. And then this came up.
It was like voice play, like featuring until I found you
featuring Scott Porter. And I was like.

(27:59):
So that's wild. You is the song I think that
plays at the end of season 2 where it's like Georgia.
Yeah. Yeah, so Scott Porter sang that
song with voice play so we can. Stop, that's so funny in.
Our YouTube videos like a related video or something but.

(28:21):
I love it. I was freaking out.
That's crazy, I would have neverthought of him as an acapella
boy for New Time listeners. Shalini and I did acapella in
college and after college just so we are big acapella nerds, so
that's why this is especially exciting for us.

(28:42):
He's one of us. Yeah.
I actually like, never tell people I did acapella.
Well, not because I'm embarrassed to have done it, but
because I think people make assumptions about me when they
hear I did acapella that are very inaccurate.
That's fair. I think it's the same for

(29:03):
Caltech. Very true.
Going back to Austin being like way older than his character,
when Marcus vandalizes the AP English teachers classroom and
then they're talking about it like George is talking about it
with Jenny and Austin and Austin's like, well, it's

(29:24):
supposed to be 9 year old Austinbeing like what's vandalism?
But it's a 14 year old Diesel Litaraka being like, what's
vandalism? That's like, OK you teenager,
you don't know what vandalism is.
Yeah, I think that was the moment where I was like, is he
not? And then I was like, oh, oh,

(29:45):
right, right, right. He's a nine year old.
He's a nine year old. I mean, I think that was
important to kind of justify what he did in the classroom
afterwards. So they couldn't be like, should
we cut this? Is it weird?
OK. Oh, can we talk about Georgia's
trial for a bit? Yes.

(30:06):
OK, OK. In what world would the
potential jurors be people that were on her lawn the day before?
Well, yeah. So unrealistic.
She's like, oh, I know everything about these people
because I happened to overhear 10 seconds of dialogue.

(30:27):
Fairpoint I I didn't know if they were making a point that
Wellsbury was a really small town or if if Georgia just knew
that many people, that she knew exactly what was going on with
every single person in Wellsburythat could be part of it.
But yeah. I think for small towns, I mean,

(30:48):
my town didn't have a courthouse, it was the County
Courthouse. And so like you would get
summoned throughout the county. So like there was no reason she
should know anyone on the jury and they should let the judge or
whoever know that they know Georgia and they've been to her
house before. That's a good point.
It should not be allowed. Yeah, that's a very good point.

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That absolutely should have beenpart of the jury selection
process. Even without Georgia.
They would have been like, do you know Georgia?
And they'd be like, yeah, get methat.
Yeah, I just had some food on her lawn yesterday.
Yeah, lawn best. Yeah, even people, maybe even
people who were like didn't knowher would be like, yeah, she's
hot. And then they'd be like, OK,

(31:31):
yeah, you're out of here. Yeah.
Like the bar was so low for these jurors.
Yeah. It was very impressive, though.
I like that scene where she's like, no, she does this, she
does this. Well, actually one thing that
was that eliminated a juror is George just said that they
worked at the post office or something and then the lawyer

(31:51):
just like aggressively cancelledthat.
Oh yeah. I was like, why I wasn't?
Sure. I don't know.
Yeah, I also noticed that. And I was like, huh, I wonder if
that has anything to do with it,Like, oh, she's that's a mail
carrier. He was like, all right, she's
out. Yeah, I was like, what's wrong
with mail carriers? Female carriers?

(32:11):
I'm not just kidding. I was male.
Like I'm AIL. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. Do you think Tom was also a mail
carrier or something? Oh, now I need to look.
At this all right, I don't know.Or maybe mail carriers just know

(32:33):
everyone's business because theygo to everyone's house.
Maybe. No, they just said he was like
he was in a coma. Tommy is alive.
Yeah, they don't talk about I'm sorry.
I'm I'm on the Ginny and Georgiafandom.com looking up Tom Fuller

(32:58):
and I'm like scrolling through and there's one comment where
some random person fries with bee sauce said this actor had
the most lazy ass job. Got wrecked.
Wait, I actually had one more thing about Max that I forgot to

(33:18):
say I. Want to say it?
Yeah, OK. The last thing about Max is
that, you know, when she approaches Jenny at the party
and she tries to have a heart toheart with her and she's like,
I'm, I'm not mad at you, blah, blah, blah.
And then Jenny's like, we might just be growing apart.
I was like, bitch, this girl welcomed you to Wellsbury with

(33:41):
open arms, got you all of the friends you have introduced you
to the love of your life and supports it.
What are you doing? I was actually rooting for Jenny
for a lot of this season, and then after that I was like, no,
she's the same self-centered, like just can't, can't focus on
anyone's issues. But her own problem.

(34:04):
Yeah, any yeah kind of person that she's always been.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think that goes back
to our earlier point that Max was just treated so unfairly
this season. I mean, even from the beginning,
I wrote this down. I wrote down why do you think
she trusted Bresha with her secret versus Max Like I think
Bresha yes is a fine person, butI was obviously not the closest

(34:28):
to Jenny compared to even the rest of main.
So why did Bresha get the secretfrom Jenny about Jenny burning
herself or self entering versus Max?
That's that was really strange to me to be honest.
I was like wow, Jenny like like not what is it?
I'd like isolating or like. It's like excluding Max from

(34:51):
everything. It didn't really.
Make it. Yeah, I know.
I didn't get it either. It just everything was so
inconsistent or I guess not inconsistent, but just, yeah,
there was no reason for that. It didn't make sense to me
because also, like, at the beginning, she was pretty close
with Max. You know, they went on that run
together and they were walking in the hallway and they were

(35:11):
like, feels like sophomore yearslasting forever.
Like, I don't know what shifted from that into what the end of
the season became. Yeah, I really don't know.
I really feel like it was unfair.
Poor Max. Poor Max, the unsung hero.
Yeah. So let's talk about the main

(35:33):
plot line of Season 3, which wasGeorgia's trial.
All right. What did you think about her?
Trial. What did I think about her
trial? I think I thought that it was
going to go on a very different direction.
You know, what I thought was going to happen was when Ginny
learns that Joe and Cynthia had sex in Blue Farm.

(35:55):
I thought what was going to happen was that Ginny was going
to use that evidence when she testifies for whatever reason.
And then people were going to point to Joe and be like, so he
must have murdered Cynthia's husband.
And then I thought Giorgio wouldfeel like so happy because she's

(36:16):
off the hook, but then so sad because suddenly Joe's under
fire. I thought that's how the season
was going to end. And it's like done now.
The heat is on Joe. Yeah, I, I actually thought that
was going to happen too. I thought it would be something
would reveal that Cynthia and Joe were having an affair, and
then I think they would try to spin it so that Cynthia was put

(36:38):
on trial. And then I think that would kind
of ruin the relationship betweenJoe and Georgia.
That's kind of how we saw it going.
But then Austin came out and waslike.
My. Yeah, did it.
I was like, what the heck? Like what?
Like what I? Feel like what?

(36:59):
I feel like it's so easy to disprove.
And then I was like, why would Gil even do that?
And then it cuts to Georgia and Austin talking about oh, we need
a motive. Oh, it's because Cynthia.
Oh. Jenny, Jenny and Austin.
Yeah, Jenny and oh, sorry, what did I say in Georgia?
You said Georgia. Oh.
Oops, yes. Then it cut to Jenny and Austin

(37:20):
having a conversation about, OK,we're going to pin it on Gil,
but why would Gil do this? We need a motive.
Oh, it's because Cynthia blockedhis apartment application.
And then I was, I was thinking to myself, in what world would
someone blocking an apartment application lead to someone

(37:41):
killing their comatose husband? Like.
Those. Things do not check out like
even if he has a history of violence, that's like so weird.
So it's. So far fetched.
Yeah, But I guess their point was that they were just wanted
to introduce a reasonable doubt into the system so that Jenny
would be let off the hook, whichI understand that.

(38:04):
But then what happens next is. That Georgia would be let off
the hook. Did I say Jenny?
Oh my God. OK, So I think the point was
that Georgia would be let off the hook or introduced
reasonable doubt so that Georgiawould be let off the hook.
But then what happens next? Is it that Gil goes on trial and

(38:26):
then it? Did say he's wanted and they're
looking for him. But then once that defense, like
the holes get poked through because they obviously are, does
Jenny go back on trial like? What I mean, Georgia?
God damn it, yeah. Does Georgia go back on trial?
No, because double jeopardy you can't be tried twice for the

(38:48):
same crime. OK, she's like but the hook
forever. Yeah, she's off the hook forever
for Tom's murder. I don't know what happens with
the other people. She's supposedly like they they
claimed that she murdered because she's a serial killer.
I was wondering, Well, AI can't believe they let Gil leave the
courthouse immediately after Austin's like that man.

(39:09):
My dad killed Tom Fuller and he's like, whoops, Yeah, I.
Was like. Stop.
That man, don't let him leave. Are you kidding?
Yeah, first of all, that. Second of all, I was like, are
they? They could, I think, still try
Georgia for the murder of Anthony Green and the murder of
Kenny. Whatever I think so I don't

(39:33):
think she's totally off the hookfor that.
Like I I don't remember what theresolution was of Kenny's
ex-wife hiring the Pi to investigate Georgia.
What was do you think did that resolve in season 2?
I can't remember at all. I don't remember.
I think I think the Pi was pretty convinced that it was

(39:55):
Georgia who who did the killings.
I don't know if he got any evidence from it, which is why.
Oh, OK. Here's the other thing.
How did the trial even happen? Was it like the Pi convinced
Cynthia to, like, accuse Georgiaof killing her husband?
But like, it didn't really seem like they had any hard evidence
against Georgia specifically. Yeah.

(40:18):
I don't know, because how did the Pi know that Georgia did
that? I think just because he had bad
vibes from her, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't. Know criminal justice system
needs to be investigated. Examined.
Yeah, also like, what do they say for a murder you need a

(40:40):
motive and opportunity and. Motive, opportunity.
Oh, and means. Oh, yeah, and means, OK, she had
the opportunity and the means, but like, literally, there was
no motive. Oh, obviously she did it.
She did it. But so like, it is true that
she's a murderer, but in the trial, like, I I don't know why
the lawyer didn't point to that.It's like she had no motive.

(41:03):
What is it to her if this guy dies?
Yeah, who cares? That's a that was not used at
all. They should have hired.
Usually that's all I have to say.
I should have been George's lawyer.
OK, the other thing I was like, while all this trial was going
on, I was like thinking back to Season 2 and I was like, why
didn't she kill that guy? It was like doing a favor to

(41:26):
Cynthia. Sure, but but.
She was just sticking her nose in other people's business.
It was so unnecessary. Girl, please, what are you
doing? Please.
Yeah. And then Cynthia comes up to her
and it's like, what the fuck, dude, Why didn't you kill my
husband? And she was favorite.

(41:48):
Wasn't it a kindness? Yeah, it's like, no, the fuck it
wasn't. Oh yeah, I had a fun fact about
Wellsbury. So Wellsbury itself is a
fictional town in Massachusetts,but people are speculating that
it's based on Wellesley in Massachusetts.

(42:12):
It's a combination of Wellesley and.
New Middlebury. West Bluebury.
Which are two real Massachusettstown.
And that kind of makes sense because Gil's dad said that he
had to get an apartment in Watertown.
Watertown actually is a real place in Massachusetts and it's

(42:33):
30 minutes from Wellesley, so it's like, OK.
However, the entire show was actually filmed in Canada, so
they actually weren't filming inMassachusetts at all.
So I think I joke about Georgia wanting to run away to Canada
even funnier because they were. They're already in Canada.
That's funny. I like that.

(42:56):
I don't know if that was her breaking the 4th wall, but that
reminds me of the other times they broke the 4th wall on this
show. Where?
Well, one of the times is when Jenny and Max are walking down
the halls at school and they're like, I feel like sophomore
years lasted forever. That was funny.
And then I think after when doesthis happen?

(43:19):
There's another episode when Nora, Abby and Jenny are
walking. They were like it feels like
sophomore years lasted so long. Like maybe even 6 years I I
remember. That too.
I think it was in the final episode.
They were like 3 years. Five years, yeah.
I was like. So funny.

(43:41):
You were so right. Yeah, OK.
I wanted to talk about another. Well, let's stay.
Let's stay with Georgia. Who is your actual ship with
Georgia? Oh Joe 100%.
Yeah. And so, OK, this is my theory,
is that she's got to be pregnantwith Joe's baby, right?
It might be Paul's. You think?

(44:04):
Because they slept together right after she told him she was
pregnant. They slept together that night,
yes. And that was probably like days
before she slept with Joe, right?
Yes, and they are incredibly fertile women, so yes.
Oh no, you think it is? You think it's Paul's?
I don't know. OK this is how George's

(44:27):
pregnancy was spoiled for me on Instagram was this post that was
like me if the baby is Paul's and not Joe's and it's just this
girl like leaving the room dramatically.
Max No. Oh.
No, Max, you're never too dramatic.

(44:48):
But yeah, I, I don't know, I mean, I hope it's Joe's, but I
feel like just the way this showgoes, it's probably Paul's.
Yeah, I think so too. Oh, Georgia, I'm just having
kids with every pan you're. With Oh no.

(45:10):
Alternatively, maybe we'll find out that she's not actually
pregnant and that she just was weirdly craving milk.
Oh, I doubt it. I doubt it.
No. They.
Wouldn't beat us like no or hopefully she just gets an
abortion. I don't know.
Yeah, that's. True.
OK. But also at the end of Episode

(45:31):
8, where Georgia looked at Jenny's pregnancy test, positive
pregnancy test, I knew what she was gonna do.
I was like Joe, Yeah. She was like.
Yeah, there's like literal eyes emoji.
All right. Should we talk about Paul?
Yeah, let's talk about Paul. OK, yeah, he really stuck around

(45:57):
long enough that he became the villain I feel like.
Yeah, although, OK, I they had areally interesting conversation,
Georgia and Paul at the very endwhere Paul was like, you made me
the worst possible version of myself.
And then Georgia says I didn't do anything to you that wasn't

(46:17):
already there. And I thought that was a very
interesting conversation. So did.
That remind you of another TV show we've watched recently.
What let? Me.
It very much reminded me of the theme of sirens, where the men
were like, you did this to me, how could you bring me down this

(46:41):
road? My life was perfect before I met
you and it's like, bro, you're the one that did all of this
shit. Like she didn't make you do
anything. You're an adult.
Yeah, he had a very similar conversation with Nick, too,
where he's like, Nick, you're fired, you wanted me to support
this proposition, You wanted me to divorce, and here I am, and

(47:02):
I'm worse off for you and my marriage is ruined.
And Nick is like, bro, that was you.
Like you did that. You have no one to blame but
yourself and Georgia for your marriage failing.
And I'll. Yeah.
Paul, that's a good point. Paul's such a spineless nice
guy. You know, like, he just, he
thinks he's nice and so he does no wrong.

(47:23):
And it's like, no, your actions still have consequences.
You take no accountability for your actions.
For sure, yeah. I think there is an element of
truth though. When he was like, you brought
out the worst possible version of myself.
I think I. Think that's possible?
Yeah, that's definitely possiblein the sense that I feel like

(47:43):
I've been in relationships before where I'm like, who was
that person? Because I don't think that
person was the real me at all. When I'm with when I'm with
actually, even outside of relationships, just like when
I'm with friends or other different people who I know from
different aspects of life, I do feel like there are different
parts of me that that come out, not that they're worse, they're

(48:05):
like objectively worse or objectively better, but they're
certainly different. And I think also being a part of
a relationship is understanding what side of you comes out in
the presence of that person. So we saw that with Georgia and
Joe, right where she goes to Joe, she basically just, like
spills all of her secrets. And she's like, I feel really

(48:27):
safe with you. And that's why I feel like I'm
able to tell you all of these things and I'm able to be the
real me in front of you. Whereas Paul is the exact
opposite in front of Georgia, where he's like, you drive me up
the wall. I don't even know who I am when
I'm with you. Yeah.
But also a lot of blaming. It's like, it's not her fault

(48:49):
that you weren't like this. Well, yeah, a little bit.
Yeah. It's.
It's like, I think it's fair to say that you bring out the worst
in me, but that doesn't mean it's her fault for what he did
still like it's it's still your fault.
You have to take accountability for what you did.
You can say you bring out this quality in me so I no longer

(49:10):
want to be with you, but you can't say you brought out the
worst in me. So how dare you make me do this
thing? Exactly.
And that that's exactly what Sirens was about too.
It's like no one was making you do these terrible actions that
result and terrible consequences.
You do need to take accountability.
Sure, maybe your environment wasn't great, but that doesn't

(49:30):
mean anyone forced your hand. Yeah, totally.
Yeah, even even with the and we saw that.
I think we saw the opposite perspective from Georgia, where
Georgia was like, yeah, I could use this fact that Joe and
Cynthia had an affair to get me off the hook and reunite me with
my children. But I'm not going to do that

(49:52):
because I don't want to do that to Joe and I don't want to do
that, yeah. I really liked that she didn't
use that in court, that she didn't use Cynthia and Joe's
affair in court. Yeah.
I thought that was very classy. Yeah.
Go Georgia. Oh, but man, like, despite her
literally being a murderer, I was rooting for her this entire

(50:13):
season. And then when she faked that
pregnancy, I was like, oh, Georgia, why do you do this?
Every time I feel sympathy for you, you do something so
batshit. Yeah.
For sure. Oh, Georgia.
Oh, Georgia. Georgia, why you make your

(50:37):
pregnancy I want to talk about. Wolf.
Wolf. Poetry guy, my boy Wolf.
No, I don't claim him. Nope.
I actually found him very irritating.
Yeah, OK. I, when we first saw him, I also
was very irritated by him. I was like, oh, you think you're

(51:00):
too cool for poetry because you're a STEM guy?
EW. But then he grew on me.
When they went on that Science Center date, I was like, OK,
this is kind of cute. And then, you know, with the
pregnancy stuff, with the that'swild.
I was like, OK, I'm no longer. I was right.
My gut reaction was correct. Yeah, I was.

(51:25):
I knew he was an end game obviously, but I was like what
story are they trying to tell with him cuz?
And if he's a hero but then Marcus is also a hero.
Like what's what's going on? But then yeah, then that's wild
Thing happened and I was like, oh, this, I feel.
Like his character was a little inconsistent though.

(51:46):
Did you think that way too? Inconsistent in what sense?
I feel like they kind of forced his character to act in certain
ways, or maybe it was just the the actor doing this.
I felt like he was pretty inconsistent because there were
situations where he didn't really care about Ginny's murder

(52:08):
trial mom stuff going on. He knew that he was just there
for fun. But then he also did have an
empathetic side to himself that was shown in the Science Center
scene and everything else. But then when she came to him
being like, oh, I'm pregnant. And he just said, that's wild.
And then kind of like left immediately.

(52:29):
I thought that was a little uncharacteristic of him.
I don't know, because I do thinkthey portrayed him consistently
as the guy who keeps things light.
She was like, oh, it's not serious.
I'm just trying to have fun and he's fun.
And you just, you know, they never really had a super deep
conversation. He didn't ask any follow up

(52:51):
questions about the murder trialor anything.
Maybe that was out of because hecared for her and like didn't
want to make her feel pressured to talk about it.
But like, regardless, you know, they never showed them having a
deep conversation. So I actually thought it kind of
tracked when he was like, oh, suddenly something serious.
I don't know how to deal with this.
I'm going to go, you know, so like, he was nice, but I don't

(53:13):
think he was deep. I think that's what that was,
the story they were trying to tell with him.
That's true, I guess. But then there was another
follow up conversation that theyhad where Jenny said, oh, I, I
didn't think we were anything serious.
I thought we were just playing around.
We were just having fun. It's not like we really liked

(53:34):
each other anyway. And then he looked really hurt
by that. So then I was confused.
About that yeah, maybe he just doesn't know what love is or
like, you know, he's like, oh, you mean relationships aren't
just happy fun times all the time because I was having fun.

(53:57):
Wolf's. Poetry on love was like, what is
love? Baby don't hurt me.
Oh, I had something. Yeah, go ahead.
So you know how we had that, I guess, 2 subplots that we're
going simultaneously, but we're going kind of unrelatedly where

(54:21):
1, Nora's pregnancy scare and two, Abby's kind of struggle
with disordered eating and bulimia.
I thought, I thought Nora's pregnancy scare kind of came out
of nowhere, like it felt very contrived to like expose Jenny's

(54:42):
pregnancy. And just writing quality wise, I
thought it was very contrived. I think that was another thing
that I was like, are they teeingsomething up for season 4?
Like is Max going to have OCD and then Nora has PCOS or
something? Something maybe so maybe maybe
that's a story that they just began.
But to me, it felt like the pregnancy scare was like so

(55:03):
contrived just to expose Jenny'spregnancy.
What I thought would have been very interesting and like better
writing was if Abby, well, they told, they said that Abby's a
virgin. But if she wasn't a virgin, if
she was bulimic, and if she had lost so much weight so quickly
that she lost her period, and then she thought she thought she

(55:27):
was pregnant because she lost her period, but turns out it was
just her disordered eating. And then that's how that exposed
Ginny's pregnancy. I felt like that would have been
a very creative way to like, tiethe storylines together.
Instead of just throwing in Norabeing like, yeah.

(55:47):
Yeah, which was so random it felt like Layla in Secret Lives
of Mormon Wise being coming in and being like let's play
pregnancy roulette because my period is 3 days late it.
Absolutely did feel like that when Max brought in all those
pregnancy tests and we're like, we're all going to take them
together. I was like, OK, so Jenny's
pregnant. That's what this Why else would

(56:10):
a group of friends take pregnancy tests together?
Makes no sense. Have Nora take all of those
tests. I'm name 1 Jenny.
We're not taking another one immediately.
I'm glad or yeah, I'm glad that Georgia made Jenny take another
test. Cuz like the first thing I was
like I said was like, oh, Are you sure?
Take another. One positive.

(56:32):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Abss always be statistically significant.
Nice ABSS. So we always say, yeah, should
we talk about how there are no like, everyone at the school has

(56:54):
like, severe issues going on? Everyone has issues.
We were like, where are the mathletes?
Where are the Science Olympiad winners?
Where are the athletes? I didn't see a single person
playing sports. Yeah, all are committed student
athletes. Everyone's going to Brody's

(57:16):
basement after school. Like dude, they're spending.
All their time at Brody's basement.
Blue Farm. How are you going to Blue Farm
that many times a week? Don't you have homework and
sports to do? You know, Max does.
Max is the only person actually doing her homework and like,
participating in after school activities.

(57:39):
Yeah. Actually committed to her School
Musical. Come on, I guess Jenny Jenny has
her poetry class. Oh yeah, her poetry class.
During our Forever episode, we were talking about how those
high schoolers were portrayed soaccurately because they were so
multifaceted. The opposite is true for Jenny

(58:01):
and Georgia, where all of these high schoolers are negative
faceted. Yes.
They're just dealing with their full time job is dealing with
issues. It's true, true.
Oh my gosh. Did you notice how the music
this season? It was really to me, it was
giving like Love is Blind soundtrack at.

(58:23):
Some parts. One part I can think of is after
Austin testifies and he's like, it was my dad.
And then the music comes in and it's like, this is how villains
are made anyway, Ashley. I didn't notice.

(58:45):
That Oh my God, so funny. I was like, oh, it isn't real on
the nose, OK. Gil's dad is a villain, but he's
also a scapegoat. Oh, one thing I did all out was
that, Oh, yeah, Joe gave Cynthiasome comfort food and she when

(59:06):
she returned the when she returned the glass where she was
like, what? What's that?
And he was like, oh, it's a GadiPokora.
And I was like, nothing like some Gadi Pokora comfort food.
So true. That was so funny.
I was like, man, why don't you have an Indian restaurant?

(59:26):
What's with all those white people food that you serve?
Yeah. What is beautiful?
It should be. My gosh.
Also about Joe, I loved how Jenny and Padma were just like
casually roasting him every chance they got where they were
like oh he said he had a personal errand to run and
Jenny's like EW what does that mean?

(59:48):
Hey Padma and Joe siblings IRL. I saw that.
I had no idea. I actually thought they were
supposed to be siblings in the show.
But then I was like, oh, maybe Iread that they're siblings in
real life and thought that they were siblings on the show.
I think they are siblings on theshow as well.
Oh wait, maybe they're not. They have different last names

(01:00:11):
on the show. Yes, they have different last
names on the show. OK, but yeah, they are our
siblings. IRL that's so cute.
Yeah, that's so. Cute.
The other funny roasting moment was when when they're, I think
Jenny comes up to Padma, who's behind the counter, and Padma's
like, I miss you working here. Jenny's like, yeah, me too.

(01:00:34):
And then Joe comes up and they're like, and she's like, I
miss making fun of Joe with you.And Joe's like, hey, I'm just
standing here. And then and then they're like,
look at how he's standing. And they're so cute.
I also thought it was really cute how Jenny went up to Joe
and was like, oh, Joe, you're sobaby girl.
And he was like, I don't know what that means.

(01:00:55):
And she's like, it's a compliment.
So cute. He's just a little sensi baby.
Girl. Baby.
Girl, baby girl. I had one interesting thing is
that so you know how we were talking about how season 2, like
season 3 quality felt much higher than season 2?

(01:01:18):
Or maybe that we just liked season 3 way better than season
2? Apparently there's a new
showrunner for seasons 3 and 4. Her name is Sarah Lampert.
Nope, her name is, sorry. Sarah Lampert is the show's
creator and executive producer, which is still true for seasons

(01:01:40):
one through 4. But the new showrunner, Her name
is also Sarah, to be fair. But the new showrunner's name is
Sarah Glinsky. So yeah, she came in and.
And I think that's got to be whySeason 3 was so much better than
Season 2. Just turn some shit around
because yeah, I thought Season 2, I was like, nothing's

(01:02:01):
happening. This is so boring.
I'm like less invested in every single one of these characters.
And then suddenly Season 3 I'm like so invested in every single
character. Yeah, except maybe it's also the
fact that they were renewed for Season 3 and Season 4 at the
same time, so they had more timeand space to kind of craft and
think about overall plot lines. Long form, long form

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storytelling. Yeah, but I agree.
I think just as a whole, Season 3 had a lot more long running
plots. I love that style where there's
like 1 long running plot and then you have your side
characters that at the end come back to affect the long running
plot. I love that style.
So yeah, I think that's probablythe the new showrunner's idea or

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nice and. Love it.
Great. Then, oh, we didn't talk about
Marcus at all. And his kind of his arc this
season with depression. What did you think of that scene
after he comes back from Brody'sbasement?

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Yeah, that mean that made my heartbreak a little bit.
But I I think coming back to thethe whole how we started this
episode where there were a lot of spoilers on social media,
that was one that people kept talking about.
So I knew that it was coming. And so when it actually
happened, I think I still felt bad for Marcus, but I didn't

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feel as much as I think I would have.
Felt. Yeah, that's so fair.
It was also spoiled for me, but I thought his performance was
very powerful and I actually, I started tearing up.
Not surprisingly, not because ofMarcus's performance, but
because of when they panned overto Max's face.

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And she's like, she's just like so distraught and doesn't know
how to express her emotions, butshe knows she has to keep it
together because right now it's about Marcus.
I was, that's, that's when my heart broke and I started
crying. But that just, I felt so bad for
their whole family. Yeah, and I'm glad that it

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sounded like at the end Ellen was taking him to rehab, right?
Yeah. OK, yeah, I'm glad.
I'm glad she chose his mental health and Wellness instead of
his academic success. Yeah, I can't believe she didn't
put him in therapy before that when he had severe depression.

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She's like, here's an art studioand that was her only solution.
I'm given the art studio and therapy.
Yeah, that's a good question. I wonder why they didn't do
that, because they definitely seem like the type of family
that would do that immediately. Yeah.
Yeah, totally. I really like Ginny with the

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binoculars. Thank Georgia.
With the binoculars this new season of Georgia and Ginny.
Season 3 Georgia and Georgia, otherwise known as Ginny and
Ginny Oh my God, I literally I even wrote Ginny with the

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binoculars is giving me life. Oh.
No freaking George gone on for so long.
I I can't wait for a Ginny to Pretty Woman.
This guy with the horse vest. God damn it, it's fucking
Georgia. Oh my God, yeah.
That was a funny side plot. I was like, oh, is she gonna
like, also witness a murder or something?

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Oh yeah. Disturbia style.
Yeah, yeah. But I mean.
She just helped a man find love by giving him a dress shirt.
Yeah, and also broke up a marriage.
Yeah, good job, Georgia. Breaking up marriages since
2020. 5 Good job Jenny. Oh my gosh.

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And also got the idea of the jackhammer at the very end.
Oh yeah, that was good. I was like, oh, there's my
Georgia. That's a classic Georgia move.
Oh, So what are your predictionsfor Season 4 in terms of who's
going to be the next mayor of Wellsbury?
Oh, OK. Did you think, I think this

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would be crazy, But did you think her Georgia's last meal
with Ellen at Blue Farm was kindof queuing up for Georgia to run
for mayor? I think so.
Yeah, I was like, oh, is this where they're going?
I'm kind of into it. It would be kind of crazy.
I mean, that would be a very high profile for someone who's

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been hiding her whole life. So I don't know how they're
going to do that. Oh, and then we haven't talked
about her mom and stepdad driving by their house.
They drove by her house. Yeah, it was at the very, very
end, I think right before, rightbefore Georgia starts drinking.
Milk. Oh my God, I didn't catch that

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at all. Oh my God, yeah.
Gooey. Whoa.
Well, I was also thinking that Ellen could run for a mayor.
Yeah, but that's also because I saw this reel where the cast of
Ginny and Georgia sat down with some interviewer and they were
like, oh let's play this game called pitch it or ditch it

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where for fan they read them fantheories and then the cast had
to say whether to pitch it or ditch it.
So 1 fan theory was Georgia convinces Ellen to run for mayor
and then all of the cast was like pitch it.
Interesting. Oh, and then Georgia just works
for her as the same job that shehad for Paul.

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Yeah, or like she she was the nick to Ellen's Paul.
I like it. Yeah, I like it.
Wow. I didn't.
I did not catch that at the end.That's very scary.
Yeah, I. Was like, Oh no, they've been
found. And then I guess, what did you
think about the phone call from her dad, From George's dad?
Very interesting. I wonder if the dad kind of

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feels the same way as all of themen in George's life, where they
blame Georgia or they blame George's mom, or he blames
George's mom for all of the terrible things that have
happened to him that have landedhim in jail.
So I wonder maybe that's what hewas setting up for, or maybe
he's actually a good person. Yeah, that's kind of where my

(01:08:49):
mind went. We're like, oh, maybe she's just
been told lies about her dad, but her mom framed her dad for
something he didn't do. Yeah, unclear.
This is just a funny, really funny scene towards the

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beginning, actually, when I think it was right after Jenny
and Marcus have the conversation.
That's like, do you still love me?
And Marcus is like, I don't loveyou anymore.
And then Jenny leaves and then Max heard the whole thing from
the hallway and then she comes in and he's like, how much did
you hear? And she's like, I don't, don't

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understand. I will not clarify.
We kissed and I love you. I'm destined for sadness.
Best friends forever. I also really laughed at that.
I was like that. That was so accurate, Max.
So accurate. She's so funny.
I've. Refused.
To clarify that with that line especially.

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I was like. That's so true.
Literally. Literally.
Oh. My God.
OK, the other thing that one of this is what Preston said to
Abby that I really hated. It felt very triggering.
So Preston and Abby are making out and then Abby stops him from

(01:10:13):
going further and then Preston says Abby don't be a tease.
And then Abby, she gets down under her knees, baby, there's
involved. Definitely gives them a blowjob.
Okay, yeah. Do I hate it when guys say this
kind of stupid shit to women? It's so annoying.
It's like they're intentionally manipulating you and like

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nagging falls in this category too.
They're intentionally manipulating you and like making
you feel bad about yourself so that you'll like give them
sexual favors. That is so irritating to me and
I hate it when guys do this. It's it was.
So disgusting. It was absolutely disgusting.
And then when she confesses to him that she's been throwing up

(01:11:00):
and he's like, he probably shouldn't do that and then just
leaves. Yeah, I was like.
He sucks. He sucks.
He's the worst. The the actual worst character.
Like he has 0 redeeming qualities about himself.
They have not humanized this high school boy once in this in
the three seasons that we've known him.

(01:11:21):
Yeah, I yeah, it was bad. I thought he was going to have a
redemption arc when he and Abby kind of started dating.
Ish. But then Nope, absolutely not
yeah, but yeah, I think one timeI think there is yeah one one
guy that I was hanging out with like tried tried that once and I

(01:11:43):
was like that is so disgusting. I never want to see you again.
Please leave. Later, get the fuck out, yeah?
I'm too much of A narcissist to fall for.
Excuse me? You're lucky I'm even hanging
out with you. Seriously, I was like, first of
all, you're welcome. You may stop kissing my feet

(01:12:08):
now. Actually, don't stop.
Yeah, I I really hate that nagging is a thing.
And you know, please, please don't fall for nagging.
Don't. Don't let the men in your life
get away with it. It just teaches them that they
can continue doing that. And they can control you by

(01:12:29):
making you feel bad about yourself.
So the only way to get past thatis to feel good about yourself
and to love yourself. Yeah.
OK. I guess related to that, related
to that was just Abby's arc of romance this season.
It seems like she is taking a much more healthy approach to

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dating now and is following the direction of where she feels
loved and valued rather than whomakes her feel terrible about
herself. So I was so happy for her.
Yeah, I love that, and also lovethat she was mad at Preston for
being mean to Samantha at the end, but Samantha was like, oh,
does this shirt make me look fat?

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And Preston's like, yeah, Abby'slike, dude, what the like, stop.
Be nice. To her, yeah.
Her. I was like, wow, you go, Abby.
That was very mature of you. Yeah.
I love Abby, I remember in season 1 she and Max were my two
favorite characters and I think that might still be true at the
end of season 3. I think my favorite character is

(01:13:36):
still Georgia. Oh, iconic.
Iconic I I watched the show fromthe beginning because of Georgia
and I will continue to watch this show because of Georgia.
Not Ginny George, Blonde Georgia.
Just so we're clear. I'm not getting them confused.
Nice. Yes, yeah.

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Oh yeah. Except the one thing that they
did that I was confused of was they were egging Abby's dad's
house with his new girlfriend. And I was like, eggs are so
expensive. In this economy.
In this economy. Yeah, my heart broke with every
eggshell that broke it. OK.

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Should we do ratings? Yes, I think I would give this
season a nine out of 10. Whoa yes.
I thought the stories were really well done for the most
part. Kept me hooked, a lot of good
character development and I really fell in love with most of
the characters besides press. Yeah, I think I would give it an

(01:14:45):
8 out of 10, I think because theAustin thing really took me out.
But I, I would agree, I think for the most part, it was a
really good watch compared to Season 2.
But yeah, I just couldn't get over.
And I also think there were a lot of unresolved storylines
that maybe they were just teeingup for Season 4, but it was like
a very, very small teaser to thepoint that I'm like, are they

(01:15:07):
even teeing stuff up for Season 4?
Or is this just a, an out of theblue comment that didn't make
sense? So yeah, unclear, but definitely
we'll be watching Season 4 the day it comes out.
Truly. Same.
OK, binge in progress. Benji Progressy.
So this is normally the segment where we talk about what we're

(01:15:30):
watching outside of the podcast,but I specifically wanted to ask
Shalini today about her thoughtson the new Lilo and Stitch live
action film that just came out. Because I've been hearing a lot
of, I've been seeing a lot of mixed things on social media, so
I wanted to get it straight fromShalini.
What were your thoughts? Yeah.

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OK. So first of all, I would say in
isolation, if the old version ofthis movie didn't exist and this
was a brand new movie, we were seeing all of this for the very
first time. I think for the most part I
would have really liked it. Like I there were moments when I
cried during the movie. I thought they made Stitch Way

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cuter somehow in the live actionversus the animated version.
And there, yeah, I think there were like a lot of really heart
warming moments. And I love, I mean, obviously,
well, you know this, I love Hawaii and I just love
everything set in Hawaii and everything about Hawaii.
And so yeah, I liked my dog's name is Maui.

(01:16:40):
Yes, this is true. And so.
Yeah. So there were a lot of good
things. I will say that however, there
were some egregious differences between the live action and the
original animated version that Ithink in some ways completely
ruined the point of the originalmovie.

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And so I'm I'm sure some of thisis what you've seen online, but
I guess I'll just, I'll just call them out.
So the first, I think the worst part is that they change the end
so that Lilo does not end up with Nani, her older sister
after all. She ends up in the foster system
staying with her neighbor who ismore of a character.

(01:17:23):
I don't think there's a neighborcharacter in the animated
version, but there isn't the live version.
And so they kind of they try to paint it as like a, oh, she gets
to stay in the family, but like with the neighbor, but like
everyone's family because Ohana.But it really goes against the
entire ethos of Nani's characterfighting the entire movie to

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keep a job so that she has a stable income so that she can
care for Lilo and appease Child Protective Services.
And also the song that Nani sings in both the animated
version and the live action version, it's called Aloha OE.
And the, the meaning of the OR the history of the song

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apparently was Queen Liliukalanisinging this to her people of
and it was a message of like, don't let them take my family
away from me or something. It was when the Americans came
and colonized or took over Hawaii.
And so it was really symbolic oflike the American foster system

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coming in and interfering with this Hawaiian indigenous family.
And. And so like, literally Nanny's
entire character is wanting to care for Lilo and not caring
that her dreams were left behindbecause the number one thing in
her life was family. And they completely got rid of
that. I mean, they she still sung the
song, but like, it makes no sense for her to sing that song

(01:18:49):
and then just be like, oh, well,I guess it works out because now
we can go to college. Yeah.
That was the end. She goes to college.
Yeah, that that is one of the things that I saw online.
And then it, it wasn't even likeshe went to University of Hawaii
or anything. She went to like mainland.
Diego Yeah, Yep. Crazy.
Yeah, for marine biology, guess what other school has a great

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marine biology program? University of Hawaii, the state
that's surrounded by ocean. There's so much biology that's
marine around here. Arguably the only State
University surrounded by ocean. Truly.
Oh my God. Yeah.

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Well, one thing, one other thingthat I saw online that I wanted
you to vet was I don't know if this is propaganda or something
else, but there is a line that apparently Nani says to Lilo or
someone says to Lilo saying you're so smart, you should be
in the Marines or you should join the Marines or something.

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And some TikTok personality at Instagram someone was saying
that this was a very intentionalchoice because in order for the
Marines to have their name mentioned in this kind of
content, it's it's like very intentional They they have to
like get the right somehow and the Marines themselves have to
sign off on this. So whenever you hear anything

(01:20:16):
about the Army or the Navy or the Marines like in.
Media like this, it's very intentional.
So I think when I first heard that sentence of you're so
smart, you should join the Marines, I was like, that's kind
of weird, but I don't know, like, was that in the movie?
Did you catch that? That was in the movie.
I think maybe in the TikTok it was taken a little bit out of

(01:20:38):
context because in the movie it's because Lilo doesn't
remember the word marine biology.
And so she thinks that that's what Nani wanted to do.
She's like blah, blah, blah for when you join the Marines.
And Nani's like, no, that's not what I'm doing.
I'm going to a marine biology program.
So I think it was just a play onwords.
So I don't know. I don't know if I totally

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believe that. Like, I think it's very possible
that they wanted to put that joke in and show that Lilo's
just a young girl that doesn't really know what's going on.
And then that's how I guess theygot the Marines permission to
use that cuz they're like, can we use this joke?
And they're like, sure. OK, yeah, cuz I, I saw that kind
of added context and I was like,well, I know that there was a
whole marine biology thing goingon and then this kind of feels

(01:21:23):
very, it feels very insidious ifit's true.
So I just wanted to clarify that.
Was the TikTok trying to say that like it's propaganda to get
people to join the Marines? Something like that, yeah.
Weird. That's a really smart person.
You should join the Marines. That kind of thing.
I. Don't know.

(01:21:45):
I don't know if I believe that. No.
OK. OK.
One more really egregious thing.So the actress that plays Nani,
her name is Sydney Agudong is not indigenous Hawaiian.
She is half white half Filipino and apparently I saw an I saw a

(01:22:07):
few Instagram posts about this. She pretended or she faked being
indigenous Hawaiian to get this role.
So I think that's really bad. She is from Hawaii and she grew
up in Hawaii, but she is not indigenous Hawaiian and she
claimed to be. To get this role OK.

(01:22:28):
So that's really bad too and they should have well first of
all Disney like should have looked into her background and
done their homework. But also she shouldn't be faking
her ethnicity. Yeah, she shouldn't be faking
her ethnicity, but yeah, I thinkthis is actually more Disney's
fault, to be honest. This is like another yet another
data point in a pattern of corporations just not doing

(01:22:50):
their proper due diligence, which we covered in our apple
cider vinegar episode, by the way.
So throwback episode 2. Yeah, for sure.
This. Yeah, that doesn't seem.
Correct. Yeah, that's bad.
So overall, like I think kids that watch this movie for the

(01:23:10):
first time, having never seen the original, are gonna love
this movie. I think it's super fun, but
they're just these subtle things.
Also, my last rant is about the Hawaiian roller coaster ride
scene. So in the original movie, that
moment is so meaningful because it's right after Nani has been

(01:23:31):
failing all these job interviews.
Stitch is a hot mess and like Lilo doesn't know how to control
him. And he's like single handedly
ruining everyone's life. And they hit rock bottom and
they're like, we're out of options.
We don't know what to do. And then that's when David comes
in and he's like, you know, I don't know if I can fix your

(01:23:52):
problems, but all I know is thata couple of great waves can, can
make anyone feel better. And like he just comes in and
it's not a ploy to get to Nani. He just like wants to help them
all. And then Hawaiian roller coaster
ride starts and you're like, I do feel like I'm saved by this
Hawaiian roller coaster and likeit's so meaningful.

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Whereas in the live action, obviously they wanted to keep
the song in there because everyone really loves that song.
But it was just, oh, Nani's become a surf instructor to make
a little bit of money. And David and Leela are just
watching her from the beach and waving.
And then they're like, we shouldjoin her.
And then they go surfing. And then that's when the song
plays. Oh, it's not.
It's not like a poignant thing around.

(01:24:37):
Oh, it doesn't hit the same, Yeah.
I also saw on Instagram that David was just someone who's
pining over Nani the entire. Movie, yeah, it's not like the
he doesn't have the same character depth that he had in
the original of like wanting to support their family, also being
in love with Nani but knowing that she's not ready for

(01:24:58):
anything right now. Yeah.
Well, not just into Nani becauselike I don't want to get with
Nani, but more like I want to support this family.
I think even in even in the animated movie, he said
something like, I'm not a doctor, but I do know what can
help this situation. And then they just go surf waves
together. Just wants to support them.

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