Motorheads (Prime Video): We wish we knew more about cars

Buckle up, because this week we’re popping the hood on Motorheads, Prime Video’s high-octane teen drama that’s equal parts street racing, soap opera, and soundtrack flex. We untangle the plot threads that had us spinning out (wait, so then he must be how old?), marvel at the show’s sky-high music budget (Benson Boone and Chappell Roan?!), and ask the most important question of all: who are we F’ing, Marrying, and Killing in this beautiful mess of a show?

Strap in for messy timelines, gearhead thirst traps, and the most chaotic FMK ever.

BYR average rating: 6.25/10

Number of episodes: 10 (~10h runtime)

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Episode Transcript

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What's up yappers? Today's episode is all about
motorheads on Prime Video. We yap all about this teen
dramas, sky high music budget, some confusing plot lines and
plot holes such as why was Sam so surprised that Christian met
up with Logan, some teenage loveand an epic game of F marry

(00:22):
kill. Are you ready to rumble?
Let's get started. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.
And I'm Shalini and we're your hosts.
A binge, yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
an embarrassing amount of time binge watching TV, and honestly,
we just need to talk about it. If you're here, we're guessing
you do too. Fair warning.

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This is a spoiler friendly zone.We will be discussing lots of
spoilers, so if you haven't watched the show yet, hit pause,
go binge, and come back when you're ready to yap with us.
And now it's yap time. Ruchi, I haven't seen you in SO.

(01:16):
Long since the BYR corporate retreat.
That is true. I was actually thinking about
the last time we recorded, but we did see each other more
recently than that. It is officially season 2
Yappers of BYR. Why is that, you may ask?

(01:36):
Because we said so. You know what, we hit our
official three month mark yesterday.
So it is a new season. Technically it's summer.
It is summer, that is. Great.
But I think that the company retreat in all seriousness was

(01:59):
very good. It was really nice for Shalini
and I just to get some heads down, focus time and actually
think about the podcast where wewanted to take it in the next
couple months to a year to five years, if it even lasts that
long. Yeah, it was so fun to just
dedicate time to like how we want to make the podcast

(02:22):
amazing. So Yappers definitely continue
giving us feedback. We love it and we are always
trying to make the show better for you.
Yeah, and maybe March. Yappers let us know what merch
you want to see. We were thinking, well, we had a
lot of ideas, but we were thinking like crew neck

(02:43):
sweaters. Sweatpants, please.
Playing kids. Yeah, fuzzy socks, that kind of
thing. What's your TV watching gear?
That's what we want to make. BYR swag, Yeah.
What are you watching TV in? What are you wearing?
Tell me what you're wearing. Gross.

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OK, should we get started? Speaking of fans, this is our
first fan suggested show that we're going to be discussing
today. So oh wait, should I just like,
should I? I had a whole intro first.
OK. Yeah, go for it.
OK, so today we'll be talking about Motorheads.

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Motorheads is an American comingof age drama about a group of
high schoolers who form an unlikely friendship over their
shared love of automobiles and street racing.
The story centers on twins Zach and Caitlin Torres, who move
with their mother Sam to Sam Torres to their mother's

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hometown of Ironwood, a faded auto town, and become entangled
in its car culture. Other notable characters include
their uncle Logan, their classmates Marcel Curtis Brooke,
and high school bully Harrison Bowers.
Motorheads premiered on Monday, May 20th, 2025 on Amazon Prime

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Video and is our first ever fan suggestion.
So thank you Ellen from Instagram who told us about the
show and we decided to watch it for Ellen.
Yay. Thank you, Ellen.
Thank you, Ellen. So Shalini, what are your
overall thoughts? You know what, I liked it a lot

(04:36):
more than I thought I would by the end.
The last show I watched was the Bear.
So definitely a high bar to follow.
And so I think the first episodeI was just kind of noticing all
of these like NIT picky things about medium to low quality
television, like how the dialogue wasn't very crisp and

(04:59):
well written. I had notes about some of the
acting and stuff, but once I kind of got used to that and got
past it. I really got.
Into this teen drama about race cars, I will say I am #1 hater
of race car culture and like just street racing and cars in

(05:21):
general. I just, I hate it.
And so for me to like the show, I think that says a lot.
OK, so I I'm the opposite where I don't really like high school
teen dramas unless there's high school team dramas, specifically

(05:42):
dramas being the operative word cuz like Never Have I Ever is
great and it's about high schoolteenagers, but it's not really a
drama, it's more of a comedy. So yeah, this one was I kind of
had low expectations going into it.
I had I had schmedium expectations coming out of it.
I would say we can talk about the ending later, but going back

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to your your actors, your note about actors.
So we actually do have some Netflix royalty on this show.
We have Michael Cimino, who is Ethan Morales from Never Have I
Ever, and he has a guy who playsZach Torres.
Yes, I recognized him. We also have Natalie Kelly who

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plays Samantha Torres and she isfrom The Baker and the Beauty.
I just realized that today I like the whole show I was
watching. I was like, I know this lady and
I looked up what she was in and she was in Vampire Diaries and a
bunch of other stuff. And I was like, well, I haven't.

(06:48):
I mean, maybe I've just like picked up what she looks like
from seeing stuff about these shows, but I've never seen any
of them. And then I saw on her IMDb
today, Baker and the Beauty, andI was like, oh.
Yeah. This random show.
Oh, yeah, And then I had another.
This is She's not Netflix royalty, but Melissa Collazo,

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who plays Caitlin Torres, is from Central Florida.
Oh my God, there's always one I love.
How You always say it like it's the most fun fact in the world.
It's fun, OK. It's fun for.
Me. OK.
I love that for you. Thank you, that's all I had

(07:33):
about the iPhone. I guess overall thoughts For me,
I feel like it had its high moments, It had some good
moments. There were many moments where I
also just wanted to stop watching and I really disliked
the ending. It just felt like the entire

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series was so long and so drawn out and like in every single
episode, in almost every other scene, they were like, Oh my
God, this big race between Ethanand Harris Bowers.
And then finally it happened andit was like it happened so fast

(08:17):
and and it and it like ended so terribly and no one was there
and no one was there. Like there wasn't some long
drawn out thing. And I was like, like, what is
happening here? It's it's almost like, I don't
know. It's like they, they didn't know
that there would be a season 2 or maybe they did and then they
just had to wrap it up super quickly.

(08:37):
But even the way that they, the pacing of the show was just all
wrong. It was like molasses slow for
like 6 episode, 6 hour long episodes.
And then in the final moment it was like, Oh yeah, Bang Bang,
boom, boom, OK, done. Then I was like, what?
That's it? I lit, I put in my notes, come

(09:00):
on. And all caps.
It can't end like that. I agree, I definitely think this
could have been 8 episodes maybe7 episodes maybe and they. 5
episodes. Could have been a mini series.
It would. Have been a movie.

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I don't think I had as much of an issue with the pacing, but I
really thought Episode 8, which was the homecoming dance
episode, was, yeah, I message you this.
I was like, wait, there are 10 episodes?
I thought there were only eight.I thought they were leading to
Episode 8 being like the big finale and there would be a
dance and there would be a race and I thought it was going to be

(09:44):
the end, but then, yeah, I'm. So I thought they could have
condensed it a bit, you know? All these high school dramas end
in like some like dance. It's like, oh the oh, everything
is about the homecoming dance orprom or something.
There's some like big dance. That is just the biggest
milestone in this high school community that like really gets

(10:08):
all of the storylines together in one room.
And it's always like that in every single high school drama
there's. So many like that, Yeah.
So Ginny and Georgia had that this season.
Yeah, I think that's also what Idon't really like about high
school stories is that they're always centered around
homecoming or prom or something,and it honestly sets unrealistic

(10:30):
expectations for how homecoming and prom normally it is.
I actually think I like high school dramas because I I don't
know something about them. I just like love that everyone's
forced to come together at school everyday and interact and
then like go have personalized and then it's just like a
forcing mechanism to bring everyone together.

(10:52):
So I actually really like teen dramas for that reason.
I will say I like school dramas,but what I don't like is how
prom is like a plot point and like, like, what is it?
Homecoming is a plot point. Like think about your own prom
and homecoming. Was it Was it a major plot point

(11:13):
in your high school career? No, but I do think it is a major
plot point in a lot of people's high school lives.
Like I. Think that's when a lot of high
schoolers lose their virginity. It's prom night.
Oh my. I'm not a thing you.
Know what I was doing on prom night?

(11:34):
Tell me. I was celebrating my wins at the
state math competition. You're really Peters for Mean
Girls. I was actually kind of pissed
that our prom was the same nightas our math counts competition
because actually that meant thatwe couldn't like, go to the

(11:55):
award ceremony. Oh.
My God, I think you hate prom for a different reason.
So underwhelming. You know what they should have
instead? Math counts competition my.
God. The whole school needs to come
together and do math anyway. OK, I actually don't know if I

(12:21):
should talk about this on the podcast, but I had so much
trouble telling young Christian Maddox apart from Harris Bowers.
Yes, same. That that's when I texted you
and I was like, Oh no, I'm having racist moments on this.
So the whole, I think until episode 2, I thought the intro

(12:44):
was about Harris Bowers. Yeah.
And then I was like, wait, that's their dad.
They cast two people who legitimately looked so similar
playing 2 completely different roles.
It was so confusing. It was so hard.
Yeah. I, I, I wish that they look

(13:06):
different because at first I waslike, wait, that was a
flashback. Wait, is this a time travel
situation? I.
Know it was very confusing, yeah.
Yeah. Oh, the music budget for the
show was through the roof. Definitely.

(13:27):
They could have cut that down by50% and probably done better
editing, I think. But yeah, it was like the first
12 minutes we got Benson Boone, Teddy Swims and Olivia Rodrigo,
and then it just continued with Lizzie McAlpine Chapel Rd.
OK, one bit about the music thatI wrote down, it was a an I feel

(13:50):
old moment. So they had a flashback scene
where there's a girl on her bike, like biking towards 17
year old Sam Torres, and it says17 years ago.
And the background music is Paper Planes by Mia.
And she's like biking towards Sam.
And then I was like, oh, Paper Planes is playing.

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And then she like sits down nextto Sam and she takes the earbuds
out of her ear and it's like Paper Planes starts fading away.
And it's like she was listening to Paper Planes 17 years ago.
That can't be right. And so I looked it up.
Paper Planes came out in 2008. 17 years ago 17.

(14:33):
Years ago. Oh my God.
Wow, yeah, I feel old. Yeah, yeah.
I was like, there's no way. Paper plates like 10 years ago
because I'm young, right? And then I was like, Oh no, no,
not at all. I'm not young.

(14:57):
Yes, we're basically the same age as Sam.
Taurus yeah, that's crazy. But yeah, I mean, she did have
her children very, very young. Yes, yes and OK and then
Speaking of Sam Torres having her kids young OK, so she's they
show I guess it must be 17 or 18year old Sam Torres.

(15:21):
She's just found out she's pregnant.
One Christian Maddox has alreadylike is, is like in the car
chase when we find out that Sam is pregnant with twins.
And so like, so, so Christian Maddox ran away from his baby

(15:43):
Mama and his baby Mama is, is like not just a single mother
now, but also has twins. That's fucked up.
But I don't think he knew that he's a dad.
She never told him. So I think when they show that
flashback and her best friend, AKA future mayor of the town, is

(16:05):
like, oh, are you going to tell everyone today?
Isn't she like, oh, I haven't even told him yet or something.
I thought, yeah, no. But like, this is where the plot
unravels because OK, I actually have so many questions about the
plot at this point. So here is the the timeline that

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happens during the car chase. OK so so Christian Maddox gets
all the guys together drives them to the bank while the guys
are dry are like in the bank. Christian Maddox gets a call
from an anonymous person and we find out is actually Harris
Bowers dad. Darren Bowers.
Darren, he gets a call from Darren Darrens like don't talk,

(16:53):
Just listen. This whole popsicle stands going
to blow. You need to like get like get
out of there. And then he's like, oh shit,
they the bank robber is coming from the bank, jump into his
car. The car chase is on.
Somehow during the car chase, Christian texts slogan.

(17:13):
And it's like, hey, I just got this anonymous phone call that
told me that this thing is all going to go South.
I'm literally driving the car right now and I need you to come
meet me at the bridge. Do you think he texted that
before the robbers got back in the car?
Unclear, but let's say let's saythat did happen.

(17:34):
OK, so then he's like driving and he's like driving down the
highway all of this time. Then Sam is like, I'm pregnant.
And then she's like watching thecar chase on the TV.
He does his whole move and then like drives to the bridge,
crashes the car like into the water or whatever.
Then everyone is swimming out. Then like they're still being

(17:54):
chased, Christian Maddox somehowswims out and is like unseen by
the police. Whatever.
Logan meets him at the same exact place that he told him to
meet him at. Christian runs away.
What? Meet me.
At our spa and then Christian like takes the bags of money

(18:21):
then he's like texting Sam and he's like hey, meet me at a
different spot. See me at.
Our spot meet. Me at our spot at night so that
we can bury the money and then they're burying the money.

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And none of this during none of this that they had together.
Sam was like, by the way, I'm pregnant with twins.
Yeah, maybe she thought she would get another chance to tell
him when. Like they weren't burying money
maybe? But he they had a very dramatic
goodbye where he was like, I'll come back for you.

(19:02):
And she's like, do you promise for your children, for your
twins? In my family?
Do you know how expensive it is to raise children?
OK, maybe he did know. OK, so that was like a huge
question mark, right? OK.
In addition to that, Darren Bowers also has Harris Bowers,

(19:26):
who is the same age as Zach and Caitlin, which means Darren also
knocked up his baby Mama at the same time.
In point why are all these teenshaving babies?
At the same age. It's so true.

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That's what I was like. Oh, how convenient that like
Darren Bowers also doesn't have a wife anymore.
And then and. That guy, whatever.
Martinez also had a kid at 17. Oh wait, did he know?
OK, that one I wasn't too sure about because I wasn't actually

(20:10):
clear if Ezra was the same age. Oh, no, no.
Ezra was, I think, older than a lot of them.
Oh, he was. I think Christian Maddox was
like baby driver in the scenario.
Oh. OK, so maybe he was like 2223.
Yeah, something like that. OK, so he's not a teen dad.
A young dad, They're all young dads here in this town.

(20:36):
OK, yes. Yes, yeah, so weird.
Interesting. Well, small towns, you know.
Wait, Yeah, because. Wait, what the hell?
OK, because now I'm thinking about so.
OK, so Ezra and also Ray's dad, the sheriff was also in the car

(20:58):
and they had kids at the same time or they were around the
same age because Ezra was like Oh my, my baby Ryan.
Like don't you think about your kid Ray?
OK, so. Ray was already born, but maybe
he was also older, do you think?So OK, so I I guess Ryan must

(21:22):
Ryan's not a high school age then Ryan must be older.
By that logic, Ryan has to be older than the rest of the high
school kids. Yes, Ryan must be Ray's age,
more or less. This is like an LSAT level
problem right here. Where is the logic?
Something's got to give. I think the sheriff and Ezra

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Martinez were 22 or 23. Only Bowers and Christian Maddox
were teenagers when they had their children.
Yes, the end. That is what I think.
OK. And so Ryan is in between Ray

(22:11):
and the high school kids. So I thought Ray was like maybe
2322, who knows. Let's say he's like 6 years
older than the children. OK, so 23, so 2324.
Yeah. So it means like maybe 5 or 6
when the chase happened. Yeah, that seems reasonable.

(22:34):
OK, OK, OK. So Ryan's like, yeah, OK, we
figured it out else that level. You would be basically a baby
when the chase happened. Yes, yes, but then he spent two
decades in prison, so like. And she still seems to have a
good relationship with her dad. I guess 2 decades.

(22:55):
It couldn't have been exactly 2 decades because we know that
that happened 17 years ago. Yeah, so he was just out for.
He was in prison for 17 years. Yeah.
And they just had a good relationship when he was in
prison, I guess. I guess she, you know, she was
already born, so her mom was like, hey, go visit your dad.
Yeah, I guess, I guess. OK, great.

(23:18):
Glad we figured that out. Here's another logical
inconsistency. Oh no.
When they pulled the bike out ofthe water.
So I think this was in the second episode, Curtis's bike,
it just is like launched into the water during some like party
the night before. And Zach, Curtis and Marcel go

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to Alicia's place the day after to go fish his bike out of the
water. And the scene is like, they're
just showing the bike. They're like pulling the this
like rope and the bike like comes out of the water and like
all of them are dry. And I'm like, who hooked the
bike up to the rope with which you are pulling?

(24:03):
Very good question. I don't have an answer for that
one. Great.
So I think this is the kind of stuff like this is the kind of
attention to detail, but I feel like did not like you said, 50%
of the music budget could have been a better consistent

(24:26):
watching experience, logical, consistent watching.
Experience, yeah, yeah, my otherkind of criticism around that.
So obviously this is not a cinematic masterpiece, nor do I
think anyone expects it to be. But you know how in the Echo

(24:46):
Valley episode, my sister was talking about how ever since she
watched Severance and listened to the Prestige podcast, she
thinks a lot about like what dialogue is necessary versus
unnecessary in a show. And so I that really stuck out
to me at the beginning of this show.
So in episode 1, for example, Marcel and Logan are talking

(25:10):
about like blah, blah, blah, like your signature logo.
It's like this is your signaturelogo, like just for exposition.
And then later he's like, you should put your signature logo
on this one too. And it's like that.
That entire exchange was unnecessary.
Like if you just said, oh, you should put your logo on this one

(25:32):
too, like that, it would have been equivalent.
And then? It never came up again.
Yeah. His signature?
I think maybe that was just a setup for Marcel creating his
own signature logos or something, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. It was it.
I agree with you. It was so weird the way that

(25:55):
they just kept saying signature logos, their logo.
I was like, we get it, but like.It.
Sounds so corporate for our world, you know.
Yeah. And then the other dialogue that
was that was kind of the same issue of just unnecessary words,
like between people when the family first arrives to Logan's

(26:19):
garage. And Caitlin is like, did dad
jump to? And then her mom's like Kate.
And she's like, what? I can't even ask a simple
question like that? And then spends the next two
conversations talking about how she can't ask questions about
her dad. It's like, we could we would
have gotten all of that just by her mom going, Kate, you know,

(26:40):
like, just. Yeah.
So those are those are my complaints about the editing.
I think in defense, maybe if I had any explanation for this, it
would mean that they probably assumed that the target
demographic for this drama is a little bit younger and so.
And not television critics. Yeah, they probably OK.

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They did not expect people to have to also have watched
Severance. I would say I think, I think the
Venn diagram of Severance watchers and voter ads watchers
is 2 people. You and me.
And maybe Ellen. Maybe Ellen would have watched

(27:25):
Severance. Maybe Ellen So.
Right there. Fair.
Yeah, totally fair. That's a very good point.
It's it's it's made for children.
That makes sense. Yeah, the other thing that I had
issue with was the the relationships themselves between

(27:49):
the characters. I thought it was very strange
how they were like very hot and cold it felt.
So one example of this was Zach's relationship with Alicia.
So when they first met, Zach's like giving her eyes, like
putting the Mac on. He's like, oh, she's like kind

(28:11):
of hot and she's got it going on.
And then they like kind of chat.And then there's a whole scene
where they are talking at the diner.
And I think this is like, a couple exchanges later, they're
like talking at the diner. And then Zach's like, oh, here's

(28:32):
your milkshake, Harris. And he's like, this is
strawberry. I asked for vanilla.
And then he was like, did you? Or are you just calling Brooke a
liar? And I was like, OK, well, first
of all, that's like, really intense.
And then Alicia was like, you should change his milkshake
order. She was kind of mean to Zach.

(28:54):
And then I was like, wait, this is so weird.
And then literally in the next scene, Harris was distracted by
something and runs outside. And then Zach and Alicia are all
sitting next to each other talking about the movie that
they're watching or something. I'm like, what?
Like you were so mean to him in that previous scene and then you
just like, moved on. I.

(29:14):
Just read this, I was really confused.
I remember that scene, but I don't remember what her what her
reaction was to the exchange between Harris and Zach.
But I I didn't remember her defending Harris.
Yeah, she she defended Harris. I don't know if it was.
Yeah, I don't know what it was, but it was like in a very like,

(29:37):
oh, maybe you can just change the milkshake or something, but.
Maybe it was like a peacekeeping, like Zach just
changed the order or something. Yeah, but like more on Harris's
side. Anyway, that was that was one
example. Another example was the Caitlin
Curtis. And then I forgot her name.

(29:57):
Abby. No Kiara.
Kiara. Oh the the gay girl.
Yes, so I was really confused with the Caitlin Curtis Kiara
plot line because I didn't really understand how Kiara had
such a thing for Caitlin after one conversation.
I know this. The entire show, I was like, who

(30:19):
is the girl that she's in love with?
Like, I don't understand. They haven't shown anything.
And I was like, oh, it's Caitlin.
What? Wait, what?
You didn't know. Because I was like, they haven't
really talked at all. They barely, they don't hang
out. They've had, yeah, like you
said, two conversations. I'm like, this can't possibly be
the reason she's questioning herentire sexuality.

(30:43):
Exactly. I was like, what's going on?
And then also I was confused about Caitlin because I.
Yeah, me too. Is.
Caitlin into her. Yeah.
Is Caitlin into her? Is Caitlin into Curtis or like,
is, is Caitlin gay? And that's why she's like, Oh
yeah. Normally I would go for someone

(31:04):
like Kiara, but Curtis, he's just so manly or something like
that. I was very confused about what
they were doing with with Caitlin.
And I guess what they were trying to say is, oh, Caitlin's
confused too, which I was like, OK, I guess I kind of get that
maybe. But the way that they showed it
was super weird. And I just was not convinced by

(31:28):
Caitlin and Kiara's relationshipwhatsoever.
No they definitely did not spendenough time on it for there to
be a question about Caitlin sexuality and for Kiara to be so
in love with her and like sad about her kissing someone else.
There was definitely they did not put enough of that in there

(31:48):
for that to be earned at all. Yeah, so strong and.
I don't even think that's the reason she turned down Curtis in
the beginning, right? That was, I had, I was like, why
did she even turn down Curtis inthe 1st place?
Like she's obviously into him. She invited him to a party that

(32:08):
he never goes to. Like she made him be her lab
partner or whatever. She's obviously into him and why
is she like, oh, we should just be friends?
Yeah, I was so confused by that.I was like, it's pretty clear
that you like him, but you're still confused by it.
Maybe, but I don't know why, andI don't think you know why

(32:32):
either. Don't know why.
So. Strange.
OK, one about the car. The banana yellow race car.
Unbio. Yes, that was right now.
I thought it was unbio the entire time.
And then they were like blah, blah, unbeaten.
And I was like on B10-O. Oh my gosh, so I was watching it

(33:01):
with with boyfriend Andrew and in the first episode it was like
and they showed the license plates.
I was like oh on bio. Then I laughed because I think
in my mind it was like, oh ha, ha on B10.
And then like in episode 4 or something we see on B10 again

(33:22):
and I was like, ha ha, unbio. And then I think one of the
characters said unbeaten. And then Andrew was like, oh,
it's unbeaten. I was like, yeah.
So you understood it, you were just making fun of it.
Yeah, yeah. I was just like, oh, I don't get
it. Unbio.

(33:44):
That's funny. Yeah, OK.
How old is Logan? Because I thought that Logan was
Christian Maddox's younger brother.
And then they had the flashback scene and I was like, oh, that's
cute. Christian Maddox is being taught
by his dad. And then they came back from the
flashback and Logan was like, and that's how I taught

(34:08):
Christian how to drive. And I was like that.
Was you? Yeah, I guess he is older.
I did. I I also like he was giving
younger sibling vibes I thought.But yeah, I guess he was older.
I think it's because he he givesshort king.
Vibes. That's true, he does give short
king vibes. Oh, another thing about him is

(34:29):
that why did he have a differentaccent than every other person
that grew up in Ironwood? Damn, got him.
It's because he's so old. They phased out that accent
after his generation because. Everyone in Ironwood has kids
when they're 17, so they're pretty young, but he's the only

(34:51):
guy who didn't have kids. Slash is maybe, I don't know, 80
at this point, who even knows? So his accent is from the 1920s.
For those races where Ray wins acar or loses a car, etcetera,
this seems to happen quite often.

(35:11):
Are they going to the DMV and transferring the title and
registration each time? What do?
You think? No, absolutely not.
How are? They doing this?
They've just swapped keys. That's it, That's it.
No paperwork out. Of the car, there's no time for

(35:33):
paperwork when keys are slappinghands all over the place.
We even know. How valuable is it to have a car
that's inherently slower than the car that you apparently
have? You can swap it.
Like you have to beat someone. Oh, like you can intentionally
lose a race and give it away or what?
I don't know, but OK. But here's the thing.

(35:54):
It's like at what point is it actually driver's skill versus
like car engine skill? Not even skill like Max capacity
of your engine. Yeah, this is I'm not the right
person to be answering this question because as I said, I'm
a race car hater #1 hater of race car culture.

(36:18):
So I tried asking Andrew a couple of these questions and so
he he has a couple of notes. So this is our Andrew's notes
segment. OK, so call to authority.
Andrew has been in Auto Cross inAustin and the Bay Area and has
a Mazda Miata and it's very muchentrenched in the car culture.

(36:41):
So that's his. Sorry, Andrew.
Oh, no, it's OK. That's his area of expertise.
So yeah, it's it's he does auto cross, which is like you just
like go around the track and it has like bumps and stuff.
And it's also like a time trial thing.
I don't think you're racing anyone.
And he finds that drag racing isthe most boring form of car

(37:04):
racing because you're just like going straight.
And so it's very boring as a driver.
And so this is this is where I raised the question of how much
of it is actual drivers skill, because you're literally just
going straight and you're not like you're not turning or
anything. So yeah.
Something to be said about like when you shift gears and being

(37:28):
smart about that, but I don't know how much that comes into
play or like once you know that it's more about the car, I don't
know. I guess anyway, so in that last,
OK, this is what he told me to say.
So in that last race where it's Zach versus Harris Bowers,

(37:49):
Andrew says an old Challenger versus a new challenger, as in
Dodge Challenger. I think the type of car.
OK, OK, so he says gonna sound like it's such a fucking nerd.
He says there's no way a naturally aspirated engine would

(38:10):
win against a forced induction supercharged engine.
As in there's no way the old challenger would win against the
new challenger. So that's what that's what it
says. And to which I say, I'm going to
say that. Sounds good.
All right. You heard it here first, folks.

(38:31):
The the cars and the race and the results were not biblically
accurate. Biblically.
And then I also asked about the final scene where Harris Bowers
drives over the pothole, gets flipped upside down and then
spontaneously combusts. And I asked Andrew, has that

(38:52):
ever happened to you? And would that ever happen in
real life? And he says, I don't think a car
would catch on fire just becauseit's upside down.
Yeah, I agree. I actually read once or saw a
Mythbusters or something about how they always show cars
blowing up after it's crashed into something, but that like is

(39:13):
not possible I think. I don't think that happens.
Yeah, OK. Great, but it's just like ATV
and movie staple at this point. But when a car crashes, it's
about to It's a ticking time bomb.
OK, another car joke that Andrewgot that I did not get, but was

(39:34):
when they steal all of the cars out of Bruce Whitaker's car
collection. They stole four cars.
One of them is a Ferrari. And so apparently a Ferraris are
notoriously brittle where they just like break like very
quickly. And so when Bruce finds out that

(39:55):
his cars have been stolen, they were like, he comes back and
he's like, they stole four of mycars, but they left the Ferrari
down the street. And so I think the the
implication is there that the Ferrari just broke like
immediately after leaving the garage or something.
You think people that didn't know about Dodge Challenger

(40:16):
engines knew that Ferraris notoriously breakdown?
I I think so. I think there are tiers of
knowledge. And that's like a level 1 tier
of knowledge that Ferraris breakdown easily.
I think so I I can see people who watch, you know, like F1 the
movie or even the F1 reality series being like, oh, Ferraris,

(40:39):
they're, you know, they just break super easily.
All right, great. Whatever.
I don't know. I don't know.
Ellen, Why? Why did you tell us to watch the
show? Ellen, we liked it.
I just hate cars. Oh, you know, when they were, we

(41:00):
should have brought in a car expert for the show.
You know, when they were talkingabout how the last things that
weren't working in the car were the radio and turn signal for
Unbeaten? How much does radio and turn
signal matter for a racing car? That's a good point.
I think I also had issue where Caitlin knows the insurance and

(41:25):
outs of this 72 whatever challenger to the point that she
can identify like on site what aPitman arm, like a compatible
Pitman arm actually looks like and she cannot put together the
horn. Button she has not a YouTube
video for that. Maybe because it's so

(41:47):
uninteresting that she never took the time to learn it versus
like the interesting under the hood stuff.
I do like that explanation. But do we think the writers
thought that? Not sure but I I just don't like
that it could be potential sexism where they're like oh
Caitlin knows everything let's make her relatable and human and

(42:10):
say that oh she has to watch a YouTube video to install the
horn button. You know, I don't think I, I
wouldn't think that at all because she clearly knew the
most about the inside of cars compared to all of the other
boys in that garage. And like even Curtis who like
put together his own motorcycle,he was like, I've watched so
many YouTube videos. So I don't think they were

(42:30):
trying to dumb her down. I think they were just trying to
come up with something that she couldn't do herself and needed
help with. And they came up with the horn
button as something that could be something that she needs help
with. Like it was like, oh, she needs
help. She needs Curtis's help with
something and so, but she's not going to spend any time on

(42:55):
anything that's not car related.So it has to be a super
tangential car related thing. That's what I that's that's what
I would think, yeah. OK, cuz the way I don't know the
way that I was looking at that horn button, I was like this has
got to be on par with like changing the AC cabin filter or

(43:15):
something. You can do that no tools simple
like I did that in two seconds so.
I don't know. I don't know why they chose
that, but I don't. I really don't think it was a
sexist thing because they continuously showed her as the
expert when it comes to the inside of a car so.

(43:36):
I guess the other issue that I had is why, and I guess they
kind of explored this at the end, but why couldn't she just
have been the driver? So it it sounds like, you know,
Christian Maddox, he had everything.
Maybe. I mean, I, I'm not sure how much
he was actually involved in likeputting the car together, but

(43:57):
obviously was a great driver, but it seemed like they really
took the skills of a of an auto person and kind of just split it
into two. They're like, oh, Caitlin is the
mechanic. She knows everything and the INS
and outs and everything about this car, but she doesn't like
driving and Zach knows nothing and he likes driving and so.
I actually had a note about thisabout something that I liked

(44:19):
about the show was that I thought they did a good job
connecting both twins to their dad in different ways.
That was all about car racing. And then I thought it felt
pretty natural like that. She loved being the engineer of
the car mechanic, but she doesn't need to be in the
spotlight. Whereas Zach kind of liked that

(44:42):
culture and being the racer and having all eyes on him, he
didn't want to do the work behind it necessarily.
That's just not where his passion comes in.
So I thought it made sense that their personalities were
different in that way. I also I'm not sure how much
Christian worked on his own car,but I think it would also make
sense canonically if Logan was the was the Caitlin and the

(45:07):
sibling relationship and Christian was the Zach where
Logan did all the work on the car and then Christian was the
one that raced it. Yeah, OK.
That, that makes a lot of sense.And I like the way that you
phrase that, where they are finding their connection to
their dad through the ways that they approach the car scene in
different ways. So I like that.

(45:29):
Yeah, that's a good explanation.OK.
Yeah. So the plot point that I had was
why was Sam so surprised that Christian had met up with Logan
if she literally helped him burythe money after the heist?
I don't know, maybe she was like, I thought I was the only

(45:51):
one he met up with or something.I don't know.
I mean because also when when Christian was running away from
Logan, it was like full on sunlight and when she went and
when Christian and Sam are bearing the money, it is like
night time. So it is conceivable that

(46:12):
Christian would have met up withmany people over the course of
those hours. So why was Sam like you saw
Christian after the car chase? Yeah, there were hours between
the car chase and you seeing them.
Yeah. Exactly.
So it's like, yeah, why wouldn'the go see his brother?

(46:34):
Like, so weird. Yeah, so strange.
I don't know, thoughtful. And then the other thing about
Sam is that the part where she, like, got the two for one garden
shovels and then he was like garden shovels.
And then she was like, yeah, it was a deal. 2 for one.

(46:54):
And then I was like what? Like Sam is not that dumb to not
understand that the garden shovels won't be enough?
That was a lot of negatives. But you understand what I'm
saying right? She is smart enough to
understand like what a good shovel would.
Be hey, she's an ER nurse B, she's the one that buried the
money. Yeah, you.

(47:15):
Know what shovel she needs. And then Speaking of ER nurse,
she is drinking bourbon in the middle of the day at A at a
random bar as an ER nurse and the mother of twins.
Single mother of twins. Nurses have like abnormal shift
hours. Maybe she was working the night

(47:37):
shift and then was like, all right, it's my let's.
Have a shop beforehand. Maybe you have the next two days
off. You know, I think they work like
3-12 hour shifts and then have four days off or something.
OK, OK. We'll give her that sure also.
I about her being an ER nurse. No ER nurse would let their

(47:59):
children do anything with cars. I think even learn how to race.
Not even actually race. I don't think this is one of my
complaints about race cars is that it's so dangerous and for
what? Like play a sport, yeah.
But also she, I mean, I think she probably let him race

(48:21):
because, you know, his dad was aracer and also she was a racer.
An ER nurse would never be a racer, I don't think An ER
nurse, even if she was a racer and then became an ER nurse, she
would never let her child race because she probably, I mean,
she said it herself, She's like,I'm going to see you on the
inside of my ER Like, yeah, no. Yeah, never happened.

(48:46):
Oh my God. Oh, yeah.
OK, Speaking of doing sports, I have a joke.
Do you think he was a fan of thered birds because it's a
cardinal. Yes.
Good job again. Thanks.
Well done. Thank you.

(49:06):
We're. Like what bird can we come up
with that's related to cars? Cardinal.
Ordinal. OK the other thing I wanted to
talk about was how could Logan be so dumb to not put together
Spider Lake? MI is like where Christian
Maddox actually is. I know that the Spider Lake

(49:30):
thing, when he said it like theyused to go to Spider Lake as
kids, as if it was a huge revealand it's like you knew about
this place the whole time. Yeah, so dumb and.
Then when he like saw, when he saw, when they like dug up the
money or where the money was, and then he saw that picture of
them and Spider Lake, he was like, oh wow, isn't that crazy?

(49:52):
Like another reference to SpiderLake, but two and two together.
Bro, he's there. So dumb, so dumb.
But then also, OK, I guess like the other thing is when Caitlin
calls Spider Lake question mark or calls the number on the card,

(50:16):
I guess, and then the woman picks up and then she's like,
I'm looking for Christian Maddox.
He's my dad. And then the voice just hangs up
on her. What's that about?
I think that's what they wanted to leave the cliffhanger about
when she gets a call back. Do you think it's Christian

(50:37):
Maddox's new BAE? And then new BAE is like it's
Christian's lame daughter with Sam.
Yeah, I do think that. So that's my guess.
That's my guess. OK, so then set up for Season 2,
the answers that the questions that we need answers to are

(51:01):
where is Christian Maddox, Spider Lake?
Is he going to come back? Sam Torres has a romantic
relationship lead up with DarrenBowers and probably also
Christian Maddox when he comes back in season 2.
Yes, I also wasn't sure if they were showing that she and Logan

(51:24):
were like kind of romantic vibes.
I was. Also confused by that.
That was like one of the bulletsI put down.
I'm like, is she gonna hook up with his brother?
Which reminded me of Ransom Canyon.
She's been in love with her bestfriend's ex or best friend's

(51:46):
husband for so long. Yeah, so weird.
OK, so, so those two then we have Caitlin and Curtis
relationship. Caitlin and Curtis, let's talk
about this for a second. Why would it matter if Curtis
dad was in the front seat with her dad?

(52:08):
Why? Why does that have any
importance in their relationship?
That's also what I was going to say, like when they were having
their whole dramatic thing and he's like, I wish I could have
taken a picture of you, babe, because you're never going to
look at me the same again. I was like.
And then he, like tells her. I was like, so like.

(52:29):
So what? Because my daddy told your daddy
that actually my daddy needed torob a bank so that your daddy
wouldn't get in trouble. And I was like, come on.
Yeah, it made no sense. Yeah, yeah.
And then Brick and Marcel also. Just.

(52:51):
Friends, maybe? I don't know, I feel like
there's something romantic teeing up there I kind of like.
For each other, yeah. I think so too.
Also when Brooke was showing Marcel pictures of her apartment
for her winter break internship.Also.
What is that? Also, she's a child, yeah.

(53:12):
Also like who works during winter break?
No one works during winter break.
There is no way she would be in that Brooklyn apartment by
herself as a minor. Yeah.
See how like how much Ruchi you've lived in Brooklyn?
How much would that giant loftedBrooklyn apartment cost?

(53:35):
I would not something people in Ironwood, Pennsylvania could
afford, am I right? I saw that too, and I literally
wrote that down and that was like, OK, wait, let me see what
I wrote. I wrote, Oh please.
That is not her apartment for aninternship with Industrial
Windows. Come on sub bullet, she better

(53:57):
be in deep, deep Brooklyn. And then I said another sub
bullet. Have you ever heard of a winter
break design internship? Isn't that like 3 weeks
including Christmas and New Year's?
I think in high school my winterbreak was 2 weeks.
OK, so yeah, like, who is hiringa high school kid and like,

(54:21):
paying for them to come live in this apartment in Brooklyn for
like 3 weeks? Can't get anything done in three
weeks. What?
She's gonna get kidnapped? This is sex trafficking.
I'm now worried for Brooke. I'm glad Marcel is going.
Marcel, keep her safe. Yeah, I feel bad that how we've
done this shit on this show. Oh, I'm not.

(54:45):
I don't know. I don't know what to do about
it, but I. Feel bad, I think you had some
good points. OK.
I think we'll turn around at theend, OK?
I also laughed that when Ezra got out of prison he didn't want
to stay in Ironwood because there are quote 2 yoga studios

(55:06):
on Main Street. This town's gone soft.
Yeah, I was like, first of all, why wouldn't you want to live in
the same town as your kid, no matter how many yoga studios are
on Main Street? And like, why would anyone,
like, reject a town because of it's too nice?

(55:28):
I don't understand that. I don't know.
I mean like a grizzled. I don't know.
I don't know. But Speaking of parents that
don't want their kids, that was very sad about Marcel's mom.
Oh yeah, yeah. I OK, yeah.
I was actually really happy thatLogan and Sam both went and

(55:49):
drove, what was it like 4 hours,four hours and back to go meet
with Marcel's mom, confirmed that she was indeed a piece of
shit, and then came back and waslike, Nope, you're living with
us. Yeah.
And how they didn't tell Marcel.Yeah, that reminds me of

(56:10):
applauding Gilmore Girls, where Jess is staying with his uncle
Luke and Stars Hollow. And then Luke is like, bragging
to Lorelai. He's like, I have figured out
the secret of parenting. And Lorelai's like, OK, I need
to hear this. And he's like, all you do is

(56:31):
tell a little white lie to help them.
And she's like, what? And he's like, I told him that
his mom really wanted him to come home for Christmas, but in
reality, she didn't want him to come home.
And then Lorelai's, like, he knew.
He knew that she didn't want himthere.
So that made me think about whether Marcel kind of knew in

(56:53):
the bottom of his heart. It feels like he probably did.
And also because even after theytold him, Zach and Caitlin were
like, oh, she didn't want him, right?
And yeah, so it felt like one ofthose.
We all know what's really going on, but we're not going to say

(57:13):
it. Yeah.
Yeah. OK.
This is about management positions.
So one question, Where is the manager of this diner?
Why does it all fall on the shoulders of 217 year olds to
keep it going? We did not see Brooke's parents
one time. Brooke's parents, where are you?

(57:34):
I also didn't know how Wade losthis diner in the first place.
I think they did mention it but I don't remember it.
Like maybe he it foreclosed or something.
Like he couldn't afford to keep it open.
But the chili was so popular, yeah.
OK. Wade, the father of Marcel, lost
ownership of the diner due to itbeing lost to the bank.

(57:58):
OK, restaurant businessman margins are razor thin.
Razor thin. And then my second management
point was Willie's racetrack owner does not seem like the
type of guy who would put strobelights and extra jumps on this

(58:18):
track. He's so much more intense than
that. He's like let.
Me add some. Strobe lights for ambiance.
Yeah, I was OK. If I just saw the track, I would
imagine that the owner of that track would be like, hell yeah,
dude, you want to come on board,like, get this truck rolling,
it's going to be so great. And instead what we got was

(58:39):
you're going to die and you needto sign away your rights.
I was like, something's not right here.
Yeah. RIP, I'm ready for the exercise.
Oh OK this is a fuck marry kill first for Curtis, Zach and

(59:05):
Marcel. Easy here.
All right, go. Fuck Zach.
Marry Marcel. Kill Curtis.
Wow, wow. I would Mary Curtis.
I had the teen in me was in lovewith Curtis.

(59:26):
So Mary Curtis. Fuck Zach kill Marcel.
Sorry Marcel. Love you though.
I think it's just such a cute little dweeb.
I know you dream me right. That's true.
And then I also wanted to do it for Darren Bowers, Logan and

(59:48):
Rich Guy. What's his name?
Daddy Whitaker. Daddy.
Whitaker OK, I think I would. Man, I got to think about this
one. OK, so we have Daddy Whitaker
Logan and Daddy Bowers. Daddy Bowers, I really got to
think about this. So I guess pros of marrying
Daddy Whitaker is that he is also a lovable nerd who is also

(01:00:12):
hella rich and business minded, so he's gotten that going for
him. Logan.
Honestly I'm leaning kill on Logan I think and then for for
daddy Bowers. He's also kind of rich but he
seems kind of dumb too. But he seems like a nice guy.

(01:00:34):
So kill Logan, fuck Daddy Bowers, marry Daddy Whitaker.
I think I would do the same mostly for Whitaker's money.
And Daddy Bowers is like, kind of hot.
Yeah, sorry, Logan, don't know where you're from because we

(01:00:55):
don't think it's Ironwood and. We also don't know how old you.
Yappers, tell us what you would vote.
OK, I think should we do ratings?
Yeah, I'll go first. I would rate this A6.

(01:01:17):
Yeah, I was going to say 6.5. Yeah, I think it was.
It was not unwatchable, but there are definitely a lot of
points where I was like huh, butwait.
What? Why would this character act
this way? So I think in in like not a good
way and not like an intriguing, like, why would this character

(01:01:37):
act this way? It was just like, why would
they? Yeah.
So I think it was overall, yeah,Overall A6.
But do you think you'll watch Season 2?
Not unless yappers beg us to. So yappers, if you want it, let
us know. Yeah, Oh yes, We also found out
very recently, I think within the last couple of days that

(01:02:00):
Motorheads is renewed for season2.
However, it's also on Amazon Prime Video and as we know, a
previous episode that we did on at 12, they had ordered two
seasons and then randomly cancelled the second season.
So who knows, maybe you you never know.
Maybe this things will actually get a season 2 unclear.

(01:02:23):
But as always with all of our TVshows, the thing that affects if
a show gets a second season is if you actually watch it.
So if you want there to be a Motörhead season 2 for sure,
then go watch Motörhead season one on Amazon Prime Video.
And continuously binge it until their numbers skyrocket.

(01:02:46):
And then just too. And then continuously binge us.
Yeah. All right.
Binge in progress. Oh yeah binge in progress.
I am watching Survivor 16 with my sister.
This is the the fans versus favorite season and I just
watched this dominant theme. All female alliance just like

(01:03:11):
dominate and slowly pick off themen one by one.
It's crazy. I've never seen such crazy
things happening on Survivor. It's like they literally just
they are like sirens. They go up to the men and just
say hey, you should do this. And the men are like I should do

(01:03:32):
this. And it's like, dude, what are
you doing? Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah. So that's been very, very fun to
watch. I also watched The Shining, the
movie with my sister over the course of this past weekend.
I recently read the book and I must say, despite the critical

(01:03:53):
acclaim for The Shining movie, it did not live up to the book
at all. I thought so many things were
confusing and not well explained.
And like, my sister has not readthe book.
We watched the movie together and she was like, that wasn't
like really that scary? I'm more just kind of confused.
And I was like, yeah, they didn't explain anything.
So yappers, if you're deciding between the book or the movie

(01:04:17):
for The Shining, definitely readthe book.
And apparently Stephen King hated the movie so much he made
a new miniseries for The Shiningbecause he thought the
interpretation in the movie was so bad.
Oh wow, wait, where can you watch the miniseries?
The miniseries I think you can rent on Amazon Prime Video and

(01:04:40):
the movie if you must. You can also rent on Prime
Video, Apple TV, Plex, like a bunch of places.
Oh OK OK interesting. Maybe it was just cuz it was
like new for the time or something.
Like people had never really scene something like that
before. Nah, I do think it probably like
set the scene for visual psychological thrillers or such.

(01:05:05):
Set a precedent for that type ofmovie.
That makes sense. Yeah, I finished Squid Game
season 3 ending. OK.
I think like doing this podcast as well as like kind of now
tracking how shows getting like randomly cancelled or randomly

(01:05:28):
getting renewed on different platforms is really interesting.
Because now I kind of see this like catch 22 situation that
writers are forced into all the time where they can't write
themselves into a corner and like really give the viewers a
good ending. Because then if it's too good of
an ending, then the platform will be like, OK, we want three

(01:05:49):
more seasons of your show. And then they'll be like, well,
what are we going to write for three more seasons?
Like we, we like tied it up witha bone.
It's done. But then if they leave it too
ambiguous, then nobody's going to like it and then they won't
ever watch it, which means that their show will be cancelled.
So then like, you can't win in this situation and you're like

(01:06:11):
forced into having somewhat open-ended seasons so that if
there is another Squid Game Season 4, for example, you could
potentially write about something because you have some
threads loose still. So I don't know.
I feel like there are a lot of shows that have really good
endings but also end on a cliffhanger.

(01:06:32):
What's an example? Like Severance for example.
Like so, such a great last episode and it really makes you
want to watch the next season. Yeah.
But I think Severance is one of those things that it's like so
popular, it's like White Lotus, right?

(01:06:53):
It's like so popular that you know it's going to have another
season. They didn't know that there
would be a Season 2 when they put it, when they put out Season
1. That's true.
And what did you think about theSeason 1 ending?
I thought it made me really excited for Season 2.
Yeah, well, anyway, I think likethe endings of seasons are kind

(01:07:14):
of, it's so difficult to create,like just the right amount of
intrigue and like the universe can still continue or it could
end here and that would also be OK.
So I think it was the same thing.
What's good game Season 3, I think they gave it enough of a
good ending, but if it did end there completely, it would be
fine. But also they do have more

(01:07:34):
things to explore in Season 4 ifthere is one.
So anyway I finished that and then I also have been watching
Queer Love ultimatum, The ultimatum Queer love that's been
pretty good. I watched like halfway through
the reunion and I I enjoy queer love dating reality shows a lot

(01:07:55):
more than I enjoy heterosexual ones to be.
Honest how come I feel like. There's such better
communicators. I think part of being queer is
that you have to be so in touch with your feelings to understand
who you're attracted to just from a young age and, and how
that's different from anyone else.

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And then how to articulate that to other people.
And then how to actually like navigate that world that no one
has really shown you or like, you haven't really seen that
yourself. So you have to kind of figure it
out yourself. And so I think as a result,
there's a lot more better communication.
People can clearly articulate their wants and needs.

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They can clearly see when thingsare not like, where they need to
be. And as a result, it's not as
like toxic and aggressive as like normal reality shows are.
So yeah, it's been good. It feels like a more
sophisticated dating reality show.
Interesting, we think that wouldalso be true for an all male

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queer dating show. Or do you think that's just the
women that are super in touch with their feelings?
That's a good question. I think an all male dating show
would be fun to watch in a different way.
Maybe they wouldn't be good communicators or maybe they
would be, I'm not sure. Actually, that's a good

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question, because now I'm thinking about Four Seasons
where Danny was not really a good communicator, but also he
was a fictional character. So was.
Such a good communicator, yeah. True, I would have to imagine
that there are probably still better communicators than

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straight men on average yappers.Let us know if you disagree.
Oh, yeah. And I guess just a reminder of
our episode schedule. So just as a reminder, we are
doing episodes now every Thursday, but you will still get
the occasional bonus episode on a Tuesday.

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Maybe if there's something that Shalini or I really want to do.
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