June 3, 2025 • 52 mins
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🧠🃏 This week on Binge Yap Repeat, we have our FIRST GUEST EVER! WELCOME JING! We enter the mind-bending, friendship-ruining, logic-defying world of The Devil’s Plan Season 2: Death Room. We break down the alliances, betrayals, and brainy games that had us screaming at our screens and questioning our own intelligence. Who’s playing 4D chess and who’s just…vibing in the dorm? Tune in as we yap about strategy, social dynamics, and the sheer joy of watching brilliant people absolutely crumble under pressure.
Series Synopsis (from Google):
Contestants face off in games of wit and strategy, striving to be crowned winner and go home with the ultimate prize.
BYR Average Rating: 7/10
No. of episodes: 12 (~15 hour runtime)
Platform: Netflix
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Podcast. Oh my God Ruchi.
I'm more prepared. I use catchy BT for this.
OK. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi
and I'm Shalini and we're your hosts.
A binge yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
an embarrassing amount of time binge watching TV and honestly,
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we just need to talk about it. If you're here, we're guessing
you do too. Fair warning, this is a spoiler
friendly zone. We will be discussing lots of
spoilers. So if you haven't watched the
show yet, hit pause, go binge and come back when you're ready
to yap with us. And now it's yap time.
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Hello Yappers, welcome to a special guest episode of Binge
Yap Repeat starring our friend Jing.
Hello Jing. And Yao, OH.
My God. Jay Airmen, Jing Imida Podcaster
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That's it. And you honestly, Jing.
Jing is not Korean you guys, I'msorry.
For butchering that. Come for her at the comments
welcome Jing. Wow, thank you for preparing
that. I'm.
Honored to be the first guest. So if you haven't guessed from
the Korean today, we aren't going to talk about Devil's Plan
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Season 2, The Death Room. I've been talking about this a
bunch in our Binge in progress segment where I've been just
like fangirling about Devil's Plan.
And so it was. It was definitely going to be
the case that Shalini would never watch it.
I think that much was clear. So I killed her.
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I'm the devil. This is our plan.
Well, I'm the devil in this one,no?
But anyways, basically I finished the season and I really
wanted to discuss it with someone but Shalini was not
going to watch it. But Jing and I were talking
about it so just decided to do aspecial guest episode, so
welcome Jing. Yeah, for having me, I guess we
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can do the content. Content is king.
Yeah. OK, so let's just do a little
quick little recap. Devil's Plan is a Korean reality
game show. If you're familiar with Korean
reality game shows, think Physical 100, but more of a
mental competition. The premise is that contestants
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face off in games of wit and strategy, striving to be crowned
winner and go home with the ultimate prize, cash money.
So like we said before, this is season 2 and I would say this
was quite different from season 1 in a bad way to be honest.
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But before we get into that, Jing, what are your overall
thoughts of the season? I still like the season a lot
and I felt that the games were, I think they may be like over
engineered a little bit too muchfrom season 1 and then but also
did not anticipate like how muchthe contestants had watched
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Season 1 and how better preparedthey were for it.
So I'm hopeful that in season 3 they'll have a better mix of
things again. But I still enjoyed a lot of the
games. I think it was a lot more
political this season, which wasa little disappointing.
But I do have a new favorite Korean celebrity from the show.
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Please. Say dude, he was great.
I didn't understand why all of the contestants, we're just
like, we need to take him down immediately.
I think they were really intimidated by him.
But do you remember like that first prison match game where he
was like, I want Harine to move on, so I'm going to try to do
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this favor. So I'm going to bet the same as
Chew so that we'll both cancel each other out.
And then Chew was like, just like, didn't do it.
I remember that, but it felt like people, like other
contestants were making the samestrategic moves that we say Dole
was making. From my vantage point, I didn't
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really see him as being a huge threat.
I mean, I think we had kind of talked about this before when it
came to a 1 to 1 matchup. In the end, did you really want
to go against Lee, say Dole? And I guess the answer would be
no. But I feel like you could say
that for a lot of other people too, like Young you for
instance. He was an uncontested threat
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from the beginning. And you could argue that you
would also not want to go up against him one-on-one, right?
Maybe there's also some Korean culture involved because like
Lee, say, those one of the oldercast members.
And I think respect is such a big thing in Korean culture.
That's like a factor behind the scenes.
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Maybe, but actually you touched on something important, which is
actually I think I I read this on Reddit.
I forget who the user username was so I'm sorry I'll look that
up later. But there was someone on Reddit
who had posted about this and who was saying that the
contestants all had some form ofpopularity.
Like they were all influencers or actresses or well known names
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in some way or another. And you can almost tell that the
the contestants who were celebrities who needed to be
well liked didn't take any backstabbing risks or make any
of those strategic moves compared to the other people who
came in from a public forum likeHarin, for example.
Can you say though, they all made these kind of backstabbing
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moves that the others did not do?
Do you think that was part of Korean culture trying to be well
liked? Well, young you is an
influencer. Well, I mean, he's like a model
and I, OK, I looked at his Instagram and it seems like he's
also acting now. So good for him.
Yeah. But I also saw that on Reddit
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that in June. And so he especially we're
really trying very hard to preserve their image.
And I do think there probably isan aspect to that just because
Korean netizens can be really harsh.
I also felt like 7 highs performance.
I think a lot of Korean watchersreally thought he's being way
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too aggressive, which for Korea I totally agree.
But I was like, this guy's just playing like an American,
basically. Yeah, but I I would say that 7
highs career is not really aboutbeing well liked.
Actually playing aggressive and Devil's plan would probably help
him long term in his career. Because if you played a poker
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game against 7 high, I'd be likelike I'm I'm scared.
Like. Like depending on how he played
on Devil's plan I'd be like oh shit I don't want to do this.
He would go all in against me and then I would fold.
I'd be like, I can't do this. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I'd be like he would read me like a book.
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Well, OK, but let's go back to Hyun Jun and so he who like
tried to maintain their image, but they're the ones who won
basically too, though. Well, let's talk about this.
Let's talk about so he. Oh yeah, So he yeah versus Hyung
Gu in the final match. Yeah.
So it basically came down to thewire where so he was 100%
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confident that she knew where she went wrong and she knew
exactly what numbers Hyung Yu had.
Hyung Yu had a 5050 shot of getting so he's numbers right.
And they kind of were in the stalemate where they kept
putting in all of their chips, all of their chips, and they
kept matching, matching, matching, matching.
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And then so he was like, you know what, I will let fate
decide if I win. And I'm like.
Bitch like what are? You doing, you have 100% shot of
getting this right. Just keep betting, keep going.
All in, all in, all in, why are you yielding to this guy who was
a 5050 shot? I was really upset at her.
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I felt it was also like against the spirit of devil's plan.
Yeah, I think she waited too long.
If that was her strategy, she should have just stopped betting
immediately because I think the longer she kept betting, the
more time it gave him and seemedlike to like kind of recalculate
things. And so then she kind of just
ended up in this middle point where she just picked literally
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the worst outcome and then lost.Yeah, I agree.
I I was thinking about that too,like, oh, maybe the longer that
she keeps betting it and matching him, the longer he's
taking the calculate. But then if you think that way,
then why would you yield? Like you just have to keep
going. But then I thought, what would
happen if they just kept puttingin two chips for an hour?
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What would happen? I feel like they probably would
have edited it in such a way where maybe the stalemate we
would have never known about andthen they would have figured out
a different solution actually. So did you watch?
OK I read this on Reddit too a long time ago.
But the first season of physical100, do you remember?
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It was like the two guys pullingrope.
That was like the final challenge, right?
Yeah. And so apparently they filmed
that challenge four times, and it was only in the last time
that the snowboarding guy won. Oh wow.
Yeah. Do you think they would have had
to play that card game multiple times then?
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Yeah, maybe they would have had to do it again.
Oh man. I do remember that, that rope
pulling match, it looked so grueling.
I think I even remembered at thetime.
I'm like, how long has this beengoing on?
It feels like hours. Uh huh.
Woof. OK, well so we know that Sophie
and Young you were in an alliance along with Kyu Hyun,
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the Super Junior guy and SinglesInferno host for a while.
But what did you think about thealliances in this season in
general? Because I think in season 1
there was a lot more individualism.
Like people didn't straight up form alliances like crazy.
I think I was shocked to see in the initial game it was like,
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hey, we're going to be in an alliance.
And then they played to those alliances for no reason.
It fell. It's like, that's so weird.
Like they were in an alliance with 7 high just because 7 high
was like let's play together andthey're like OK.
OK, First off, I did love the editing in the last episode
where Tino was like, oh, I thinkso he's gonna win.
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I've never seen her play emotionally.
She always stays so calm. And then they cut to like all
the scenes where she's like, sobbing.
Yeah, yeah, they did her dirty. Did.
And then they did one where someone in the beginning
interview was like, yeah, I'm probably not going to keep these
alliances. I'm going to move around with
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what's advantageous. And then they like stuck with
the same lines the whole time. Yeah, but to be honest, a lot of
that was the game design. Once you were in prison, it was
so hard to get out because of the way that the games were
designed. You were always just limited by
the number of pieces you had, and therefore the number of
pieces that you could potentially gain if you were at
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the bottom. It was so, so hard to move up.
And that's why Shun June was theonly guy who moved out of the
prison room, because he was the only one who did the hidden
game. Yeah, I agree.
Like the structure made it feel a lot more classes.
And it felt to classes like there were just so many
disadvantages to being in prison.
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Like you didn't have good food, your appearance, whatever.
If I didn't have coffee on this game show, I would be out.
I could not play at all. Yeah, I mean, I think it was
nice that people in the living room always gave the prisoners
coffee when they came in for themain match.
I thought that was really nice. It's really cute.
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But but yeah, I just think that there should have been more
opportunities for the prison people to get to the living room
quarters, especially if it was always living room versus
prison. If that was always the alliance,
then yeah, you're gonna have pretty solid lines in the ground
when it comes to the main match because people are just gonna
divvy up their alliances that way.
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Yeah, it definitely was way lessdynamic in Season 2 compared to
Season 1 where there was just a lot less intermingling, I would
say, of the players. I wish they had at least
switched the hidden game matchesso that the prisoners could have
gotten the one where oh you don't get eliminated and you can
get this hidden reward that thatwas such a crazy advantage
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compared to the prison one whichis like 10 pieces and you're
instantly a target. Yeah, I was confused when they
were playing those games in Episode 2 and I was like, oh is
everyone got a chance to keep playing these games and it was
just like a one and done and it was so early in the whole
season. Yeah, I think one of the reasons
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why I loved season 1 was about the meta game, that realization
that they could use the pieces to unlock something that was so
mind blowing to me that they're like, oh man, these pieces,
they're different. Why are they different?
Oh, they fit together this way and it unlocks this.
I'm like, that's crazy. And I think that's why I love
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Devil's Time Season 1 so much. But then Season 2, the the
contestants were like, oh, let'slook at these pieces.
Oh, there's a meta game here in the living room.
Oh, there's a meta game in the prison.
They just found it instantly. Yeah.
I also felt in Season 1 with themeta game, it really helped the
underdogs like come back up and end up winning at the end of the
season versus in Season 2 it just like basically reinforced
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the existing classes within the game.
Exactly. Yeah, I think that's why it
wasn't really as interesting to watch for me.
There is a point during doubt and bet where it was 7 high on
you, Chenju Chengyou. And so he I was like, OK, the
prison squad finally has the numbers advantage where they can
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win against the oppressor Young.And I was rooting for them so
hard. And then when you knew was
eliminated, I was like, I hate this.
And then I just started fast forwarding.
I was like, I don't care at thispoint because it's pretty
obvious who's gonna win. It's gonna be young you.
And so he at the end. I thought it was crazy in that
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whole game, every time they redrew their order that young
you and so he still end up rightnext to each other.
Yeah, what that's like, like stupid luck, but also is so
irritating because in my mind, Young he was absolutely the
villain. I just really hated the way that
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he interacted with Young June, especially in I can't remember
what it was the. Mancala.
Yeah, balanced Mancala. When he was like, oh, can you
not do simple arithmetic? I was like, back up dude.
Yeah, so OK, here's some Reddit T about the balance Montcala
episode. Apparently QQ him and Sophie did
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know about the advantage before the game.
So I think that's why they were like, OK, we're not going to
play with you, you're going to be fine.
So we don't need to play with you in this one game.
And then later, yeah, they like rejoin him.
Why would they rejoin him then? Then that makes even less sense
that they would rejoin him because he was basically like.
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I'm so lonely, yeah. And they were like, oh, OK,
we'll join you, even though we know that you have 10 pieces in
your back pocket. That makes no sense.
Yeah, I just, yeah. It really wasn't in the spirit
of Devil's plan. So annoying.
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I wish that they would play the games individually.
Honestly I think the alliances broke a lot of the games.
I feel like the players are so good at figuring out strategy
that it's hard to like, not figure out an alliance strategy.
Yeah, I mean, I think one game that was really good was
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Monsters, where you can form an alliance, but then whatever
things that you earn, it's divided by how many people are
in your alliance. I wish they had done that for
basically all of the games because there were at least two
games where the living room alliance was way greater it felt
than than the prison alliance because even the prison alliance
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was constantly divided. Yeah, and the living room
alliance. So it just felt one sided all
the time. I also wonder if they gave the
players too much time to strategize before the game
started. Like maybe if they had cut that
time a little bit, there wouldn't happen so much like,
oh, how do we medicating this game right now?
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Yeah, I, I wish that in Season 3that they fixed that because,
for example, there is no reason that he should have gotten so
many pieces. Like he was not a strategic
player at all. He kind of just did whatever
other people told him to. It was really only a matter of
luck that he was a corrupt cop in the beginning, and then
that's how we just became part of the living room alliance.
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Yeah, but Peter. Did anything?
I felt like he didn't really addanything.
It didn't really seem like he was like a good player, like he
was kind of just there, which. Exactly.
Like, maybe he's really good at the social game, as we might
say, but yeah. Maybe.
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I do think Hyungu and Sohi were like the most competent players,
like at the actual games themselves.
I would agree with that. I think there were a couple of
people, but I mean, I agree. I think Sohi and Yungu were
definitely good at the game. I think Chungu was definitely
the devil, to be honest, which is what the game needed.
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It just sucked that there was such a strong alliance, an
emotional bond between Sohui andYoung you that we just didn't
get a good game at the end. Yeah, that part was really
disappointing. Yeah.
Even when Sophie picked cute cute him like to help her
practice the like tiger versus sheep game, I was like Lisa
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Dole, she gonna pick him. Yeah, literally no one picked
Lisa Dole. I was like, you have a literal
Go player who's waiting in the wings, why would you not pick
him? Crazy.
The the freaking alliances. Well, OK, we know who our
villain is. Our.
Least favorite character? So I think Kyungu is villain #1
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and then I actually put Q him asvillain #2 spicy.
Why? Like we were saying, I think he
kind of just held on and didn't really contribute much.
And then honestly, I felt he waskind of spineless the whole
game. Yeah, I totally agree.
I also didn't really like to know either for that reason.
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I felt like to know he's the type of guy that was like, OK,
so this is what we're going to do.
And then when that changes and it puts you in a disadvantage,
he's like, so sorry, guys, the hands were tied.
Like, so it's coming from up there.
It's coming from the, it's not me.
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It's coming. Like take accountability, dude.
Truly like OK, so before the monsters game, the living room
group, they were like, oh, we don't want this class divide, we
should try to mix up the alliances a little bit more.
But basically only Devon High played outside the Alliance and
then ended up being in the prison group.
Yeah, he got punished for playing the game the way that it
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was meant to be played, which I did not like.
Yeah, OK, one more gripe before we talk about people we love,
which is that I felt the games this season 2, there was just
too much betting involved, like too many poker bearing of games.
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But there was a lot of betting, which is like even all the more
reason like, why didn't SouthernHigh succeed?
Because he was so good at betting.
It's about the system getting this down man.
So OK, one thing I want to say about 7 high is I felt like his
eyes were so aggressive like. Yeah, some crazy eyes.
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Yeah, and then I felt kind of bad when Sophie and Young Gu
were saying that they were scared of him, like in the final
episode. But then I was also like, I too
would be kind of scared of. Him.
Yeah, I would be scared of him too.
Until that moment and in the prison match where he was like,
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like massaging his neck, I was like, oh shit, like he kind of
hot. That would get too Richie.
Yeah. Neck.
Massaging, yeah, he was so focused.
Even even when you comment on onto she was like oh shit.
I think. I think he's a good looking guy
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for sure. Yeah, I think he grew on me the
most, actually. He was definitely the person.
I was like, oh, I hate this guy at the beginning.
But then by the end, I was like,it feels like he's the only one
who's really playing in the spirit of the game and everyone
else is like, just like, daintily solving puzzles or, you
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know, just sticking with their same buds for like, no reason.
That's true. I loved his final move where he
was like, I know I can't win, I know I can't stay in, but let me
just try to shake things up as much as I can.
So I'm going to give all my chips to Sophie so that he can
win. And then it was so frustrating
when she started crying and thenwas thinking about whether she
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should accept or not. And it's like, girl, I.
Don't know what that was at all.I'm like, what game are you
playing here? Because I don't think it's
devil's plan. I think it's Korea's sweetheart
the game. Part of me wondered, OK, I feel
like this is also kind of where American game shows deviate from
Korean game shows, where there was no question of romance in
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the Korean game show. But part of me was wondering,
like, are they dating? Like, is that why she's so loyal
to him? But I also saw on the Internet
so Kyungu had been on another reality TV show before this, but
he was dating someone from that show apparently.
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I don't know if they were still together by the time Devil's
Plan aired and stuff. That's spicy.
Do you think he and so who we are?
I don't know, You know, she's only four or five years older
than him, which I feel like. You know, divided by 2 + 7.
Yeah, yeah, it would be a hot and smart couple.
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Their kid would probably win Devil's plan.
Yeah, for sure. I also really like the
relationship between Justin and She Young.
I was like, so cute they got together.
Wait, I loved at the end when they all came back in the in the
last episode, they were like, wait, Justin's like really
famous. It's like dig, get roasted,
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Justin. Yeah, I had to look up because
they kept mentioning that he wason in Beef and then I was like,
wait, who is he in Beef again? He is the church guy.
You know, Steven Young's like exgirlfriend's new husband.
That's Justin Men's character. Oh, I thought he was the younger
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brother. Oh.
No, he's the one who's like, when he's like singing in the
church that Steven Young, like, starts crying.
Yeah, wow. OK.
I remember when I was first looking him up, I was like, oh,
he was in Umbrella Academy and he was in like this other, other
stuff, but I didn't clock that he was in beef.
And then they set it in the showand I was like, what?
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Was after watching Devil's Plan,I was in a bit like a oh,
adjusted man kick. And so I watched a movie that he
had recently been in called Shortcomings, and it's actually
set in Berkeley. OH.
Nice. What's the premise?
OK, he plays a really unlikable and irredeemable character, but
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basically he plays an aspiring film director.
His girlfriend's also a film director.
She takes an internship at some like, art group in New York and
then they have a break. But yeah, he he's like a a real
asshole in that movie and reallysucks.
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Acting is great but the character sucks.
Right. Yeah, yeah, What a great actor.
What did you think of Justin Minin Devil's Plan?
He lasted way longer than I thought he would and honestly
high low key thought he would bekind of a dummy when he first
came on the show. Me too, me too.
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I think cuz he walked in with kind of this like Hollywood
vibe. He.
Yeah, actually, well, I don't think he was like super great at
the games, but he wasn't terrible, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I think when he first came in, Ithink his first prison match, I
was like, this guy is not going to last Cornell.
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Give me a break. But then I think he played
really well. And I actually did feel bad for
him when he suggested the alliance to get Park Sanyon out.
And then Onye was like, yeah, let me let me think about it.
And then the other two invited her to the alliance and not Lisa
Dole or Justin and Justin's like, what the heck, you guys?
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Like I was literally the person who came up with this and now
you guys are having an alliance and leaving us out.
That makes no sense. So I felt for him at that moment
too. Yeah, the Korean medicine
commentary about that moment when he was just like, you guys,
this is so fucked up that you did this to me and how Korean
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citizens were like, Oh my gosh, that's so brave of him for him
to like stand up to these bullies.
And it's so true that Koreans don't really include Korean
Americans and stuff. So yeah, all came out in that
one. Episode.
Well, what was the why? Why did they not include Lee?
Say Dole? He's Korean.
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That's true. I feel like the two of them are
just kind of outsiders, like thewhole game, you know?
I did like how they kind of teamed up for the monster game,
but then I felt bad when they were like, oh breakthrough.
Looks like you can crush Lee saythough, because he's in 11th
place or something, or 11th in the order.
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That was so sad. Yeah, I did see on John Jones
Instagram that it seemed like heand Lee say Doll are living
something together maybe. Thing together.
I don't know if it was like filming a YouTube video or
something. They're just like some pictures
of them mozing together in fashion.
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Shoot so. A fashion shoot?
Yeah. Wait, we say Dole.
Yeah. We say Dole.
It was so cute. Also, young June has a notion on
his Instagram page and then the notion is a math blog and it's
his musings all his favorite like professors and like
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mathematicians and like ways to think about math.
It was so cute. Well, this is Richard Feynman
classic classic. Also Lee say Dole.
Fun fact is that he is now the same professor at university in
Korea and is working on how to harmonize with AI.
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Yeah, I think his match with Google DeepMind with Alphago
really put a pivot in his career.
Yeah, like it ended his career and go.
Yeah, he retired. Yeah, he like retired soon
after, right? Well, yeah, he said apparently
that after his match with Alphago that he just didn't have
any more joy in playing Go anymore.
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That's so sad, my God. AI ruining everything.
AI be like this is a solved problem.
OK, Also OK, so I did try to do a night's tour.
I tried it maybe 6 times. A5 by time.
Of a oven 8 by 8 and I was 8 by.Eight.
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Oh my gosh. And I was like, OK, I'm not just
like falling into the solution. So I guess it is difficult.
I tried a 5 by 5 and I did not fall into the solution either.
OK, I have two questions. Who was your favorite contestant
and then what was your favorite game?
Oh OK, My favorite contestant was UN You.
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UN you the MNA. Lawyer, the MNA Lawyer, and I
mean one, I think she was just agood player, like whole like
Alliance with Justin backstabbing aside, in general,
I think she was quite competent.And then I also just love that
she chose to keep wearing the prison outfit all the time.
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I just thought that was so funny.
Yeah, I'm with you. I think she was my favorite.
I think also Jiang was my favorite.
I liked her from the beginning, but then when she was a part of
the living room alliance I was like, I don't know if I can like
her. So I stuck with Inu.
But then once Jiang went to the prison alliance, I was like, OK,
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I can like her again. Yeah, the my favorite alliance
was the seven high Inu Jiang alliance.
Like that was really cute. Same.
They had a lot of really good chemistry, I felt.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they were really funny.
I love Prison Queen on you. She was like, I change my
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clothes, you guys. I change my clothes every day,
just so you know. I also shower, just so you know.
Oh my gosh, she's so funny. And then I think it was in when
her last like prison match when she put her hair up.
And then he on June was like, Ohmy gosh, she's so pretty.
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Yeah, I was like, ship, Is this a ship?
Yeah, they were great. Curious if she will go on to do
more influencing after this or she's just gonna go back to her
corporate M and a job. Imagine if you're the other
attorney in a corporate M&A. Are they seating you across the
table from you I. Would be like, oh Dang, I'm on
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the wrong side, yeah. Oh shit, she's gonna fuck me up.
I'm on the M side but I should be on the A side.
That's how other days work mate.Yes, as someone who has an MBA,
I can confirm. Nice.
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What was your favorite game? The dice game.
Oh, with the colored blocks. The colored blocks Unknown I
think was the name because you had to figure out the rules.
Yes, yeah, I think because my spatial reasoning is good.
So I like games where you have to have like a spatial awareness
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of things. And then I also like the hidden
rules. I think that was probably the
game that I would do the best in, but I think my favorite game
was the monster game. Yeah, 'cause I think there was,
there was so much that was left up to chance and it there was so
much mystery that you couldn't really strategize.
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It was like I felt like it was 8020 luck strategy, which I
think is a good mix of luck and strategy, especially for the way
that the games are being played out.
That's true, that's fair. My second favorite game was the
the one with the different like metal.
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Oh yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I was really disappointed in them because I felt like if
the only thing that he is sayingis that the red dots have to
touch, you gotta get creative. You can't just do like the the
the like in a straight line. I felt like that game really was
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not the prison team's game because all four of them were
just so bad at that game and made so many bad assumptions.
Yeah, it was not good. I mean, I think they eventually
figured it out and kind of thought outside the box a little
bit, but I think it did show. So he so he figured out some
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stuff, right. And I think Tenno also figured
out some stuff mostly. So we.
Yeah. OK.
Well, there you go. That's why.
So we you can't got to bring grip.
My got to be aggressive. I felt like there were so many
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great women players on the show,and so I'm just kind of sad that
none of them won. Totally agree, I think that's
what was very irritating to me for this season to watch.
Like to just watch someone with extreme intelligence and
competence, probably even more intelligence than the person
that she was facing, just give up basically.
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It was very irritating to watch.She almost could have won that
first game and in those three series of games if she had just
changed her last bet like. I didn't understand why she
didn't go all in. I was like, there's a very clear
point where you go all in in thefirst game and then she just
didn't. Well, will you be watching
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Season 3 of Devil's Plan? I will.
I'm OK, This is OK. Maybe a few predictions.
I think the cast will be more diverse, so either perhaps more
Korean Americans or. I don't know, like
internationals. Yeah, like internationals who
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speak Korean Well, Yeah. I wonder, do you remember
Singles Inferno in the third season?
There was that girl from Harvard.
They should have her. On the show, you're so right.
Do you think she would last? She would, I just don't know if
her Korean is good enough. But maybe you've gotten better.
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I feel like Justin was speaking in English half the time, so
probably fine. English is so good.
He was in an English immersion school, right?
And so they speak in English at school basically.
Yeah, I think at KAIST it's all English.
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Oh. Technically, you would think
Sophie would also have amazing English, but we never heard her
speak. Because she was too busy being
with the Living Room Alliance. You know, I think in the first
season they had more games that required you to know English,
but in season 2, like English was not part of the games at
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all. I barely remember season 1 to be
honest. I think I only remember like the
tessellation thing. That was really was so cool.
Yeah, I'll probably still watch Season 3, but I want them to mix
it up a little bit more so that there's a lot more balance and
there's a lot. There's a lot more dynamicness,
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dynamic. The placing changes a lot more.
I want to see more of that. Yeah, I agree with that. 01
thing that I have found out I was reading this article it was
from Korea herald. One thing that was different
from Season 1 is that instead ofrelying solely on the production
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team, the new season brought in teams from the applicant pool to
help develop the games themselves.
Just. Saying, yeah, so maybe that's
why the games that the people developed from the outside were
easily broken, I guess, by by alliances and and like group
strategy. Yeah, the the last main match
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game just really seemed like it wasn't well tested the color
poker one. Yeah, well, that was.
Broken because they just got lucky just being next to each
other the whole time. But I think they should have
changed the format so that you had to switch positions more
often every five rounds or something.
Maybe because they were just like, oh, I'm going to kill the
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bet 20 Reds. Right.
Oh, let's just switch chips between you and me.
I I wish that they didn't reallydo the alliance stuff, but I
also know why they do the alliance stuff.
It's because it's more dramatic when someone betrays you, but
maybe the way that they do the placement, like instead of doing
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depending on the number of pieces, that's who goes to the
living room versus prison. It's like, oh, depending on how
well you did in the main match or some other way of doing the
rankings more individually. I totally agree with that.
I think they should have maybe like Lee, Seydal and Orbit test
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their games for them for season 3.
I need to rewatch season 1 because I really don't remember.
I just remember being surprised at who won.
But I liked being surprised at who won.
I think this was just like, all right, he's going to win.
Oh, he's going to win. Oh, he's going to win.
Oh, he won. If you and I were in Devil's
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plan, who do you think would do better?
And, and you know, we're not. We all know each other.
Obviously we'd form an alliance and we make it to the end that
way. But we're just strangers.
I think if you were in Devil's plan, you would be Horan.
Say this, but I feel like I would be more like in you.
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That's what I feel. I was going to say I would be
more like you. I think we both just want to be
in you. I was going to say, I think it
really depends on what our firstgame was.
So if our first game we were playing some like mafia type
game and I was on evil with likethree or four other people, I
would just play that way for therest of the of the season.
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You would just be like, I'm the villain 100%.
I'm in it to win it. I think I would just form an
alliance with my other evil people and just play that way
for the whole game. Which is exactly what happened
in Season 2, right? Yeah.
I think that's what that's what would happen.
So it'd be it depends. I would be extremely loyal to my
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alliance, Yeah. But if I were a townsperson,
then I'd be a little bit more fluid with my alliances.
But I wouldn't be, yeah, I wouldn't be so loyal.
I feel. I don't know who was kind of
playing like that. Seven ever.
I don't. Think I'm gutsy enough to be 7
high? I'm too risk averse.
Well, I feel like that's probably what years of being a
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good poker player is. Maybe we'd both be Justin Min.
Honestly, probably. Our only claim to fame would be
Caltech. Or probably, oh, you know, I'd
probably be sang sang Young, whowas a little too aggressive and
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then got eliminated quickly. But I don't think you would be
put in that position where you would be at the bottom of the
pack in your alliance and then your alliance pushes you to take
the fall and be in the prison. I feel like I'm good at being in
the middle of the pack. Yeah, yeah, maybe I'd be the
Miss Korea contestant, just get eliminated at night one because
I thought it would be night store.
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She, I'm very impressed by her actually.
I was like, wow, she solved thispuzzle, but then she just
totally panicked in the well when the water started coming
down. When it said like here is the
hint find the key, I was like I think I would just put KEY
yellow and then be like now what?
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Where's the key? Give me the key.
You think if cuz Lise doll really wanted to do the prison
match so do you think if he had been in the well he would have
been able to escape? I have to believe in him.
I'm going to say yeah. You think so?
I don't think he would actually.Really.
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I just feel like it takes like alevel of abstract thinking, you
know, to be like, oh, match themto the letter and.
Yeah, I guess maybe. I think he's really good at
thinking under pressure, though,and I think that's what you
needed in the well, because it was a pretty simple puzzle,
right? It was just like, OK, this thing
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is in English. Like as soon as I saw the
elephant, I was like, oh, he is for elephant.
It's probably like matching the letters to the to like the
symbols. Like why else would there be
like a xylophone symbol, you know?
Yeah, that's terrible. I think he would have been able
to do it. What did you think the prison
game was when you saw Miss Korea's exit interview and she
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was like all wet? Oh, yeah, OK.
I thought that when she was crawling through that pipe and
maybe that's why she got super wet.
I think I just assumed that it was Night's tour and that it was
just a level harder than what she thought.
And then that's how she got eliminated.
Because we found that out in When Young You was doing the
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hidden game, right? He practiced 6 by 6 and 7 by 7,
but he didn't practice 8 by 8 and then the main the hidden
game was 6-7 and eight. So that's what I thought would
was in the prison, except you were also wet.
I I liked how he was using lotting papers to.
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Yeah. Map it out for himself.
And I was like, how are you seeing this?
It's so hard for me to see theselittle papers.
And then, like, how do you know what number you've put the paper
in? What order?
That's so difficult. Also, all the papers were, like,
blowing everywhere. That would stress me out.
So true. Glad that he could do it, that
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he just found out that pattern. Yeah.
That was really impressive. Yeah.
And didn't make a mistake at anypoint leading up to it was like
oh I need to stop and then like map it out for myself now.
That was so impressive. And then once he saw the
pattern, OK, he's done. I was like, OK, that's, that's
pretty good. So I, I feel like Kim, you
definitely deserved it. I'm just upset that Sophie gave
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it to him, you know? Yeah, when he first introduced
himself on the show and he was aphysical education major, like
he is a physical education major, one of the top
universities in Korea. But I was like this.
Guy, I didn't know that he was aPE major.
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Yeah. Wow.
Well, he's also like an influencer and everything,
right? OK, well.
Yeah. Oh, and then when Song Young was
like, I won the Physics Olympiad, I was like, oh fuck,
holy shit, this guy is so smart.Like winning the Physics
Olympiad, Like that's so difficult.
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Did you ever do a Math in Physics Olympiad when you were
in high school? I didn't even get there.
I did like AMC 12 and then I waslike I suck at this.
That's the same thing that happened to me.
I was like AMC AM and AIMEIMO the Olympiad, something like
that. Anyway, there were three levels.
My God those tests gave me a headache.
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I'm like, I'm like thinking through them so hard.
Like how do I solve this math puzzle?
Listeners, if you're curious about what the Physics Olympiad
is, just go online and look at the practice tests.
You'll be like close laptop. Although I did find it really
funny when Hyun Jun was like, asmathematicians we don't deal
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with numbers like we're just logic.
And I was like, that's right, Sotrue.
But in spite of that, he did do very well.
He did. I think that was the, that was
the match that I think I would have done the worst in.
I'm so bad at that. I had so much trouble.
I would like pause it and then I'd try to like come up with a
few and then I could, I would only get one and then I'd be
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like, OK, all right, let's just watch.
That's exactly what I did. I would pause it, I would find
exactly 1 and I'd be like OK, great.
Play. I think part that kept confusing
me was the order of operations and I kept just doing it
linearly when you need to actually follow the right order
of operations. Did you ever play that game 24?
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I think it's a really similar premise, but your your target is
always 24 and you just get a setof numbers and you just have to
like given a set of numbers, make 24.
Oh, interesting. Yeah, but you can pick the
operators. Yeah, yeah, you can pick the
operators. It's just like, here's a set of
numbers, make 24 as fast as you can.
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I think it's like you look at inthe real world, you like, look
at like signs that have numbers on them and then you try to
create 24. It's, it could be like a road
game too. Yeah, maybe I'm explaining this
wrong, but I never liked that game and all of my math nerd
friends loved it actually. So preparing for the GMAT, which
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is the test for MBA programs, I actually had to really practice
my mental math because there's along like math section and it's
just easier. Like you could get through the
questions faster if you're able to do the mental math, but that
all the skills are gone now. Sometimes they look back on math
tests or anything that I did in high school and I'm like, who
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was this person? Because I don't know her.
My pronouns are she but not her because I'll never be here.
To be fair to ourselves, we are able to solve more complex and
abstract problems now that I'm sure we could have in high
school. That's a fairpoint, yeah.
(48:39):
We can deal with ambiguity a lotmore, yeah.
Systems. True.
Everything's a system. Ratings, Yeah.
What would you rate? This show for all.
Of its problems I. Still really enjoyed it and I
definitely binged it so I would give this a 7 1/2.
OK. I would give it a 6 1/2.
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I also was really, really excited.
I think I started the season at an 8, maybe 8 1/2.
And then by the end I was like, Oh my God, get this over with.
So I'm gonna land out a 6.5. Yeah, it like it.
It started off. Really good, but then it yeah,
went downhill. Well, hopefully they fix.
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The problems that we've outlinedin this episode, Devil's Plan
producers, you. Better be listening to this
podcast. Tag them.
Tag them. Make sure they read the Reddit
too. Yeah, OK, well let's do binge in
progress. What are you watching, James?
I'm sticking with. Korean for now.
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So I'm watching this K drama on Hulu called 9 Puzzles, and it's
like a detective crime drama about a serial killer.
And so the main character, the actress, she was in ET One
class. Anyway, yeah, I just recognized
her from there. She's a great actress.
I like her face a lot, but she plays the niece of a victim and
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then the lead detective in that case thinks that she's the
killer and she receives a puzzlepiece.
And then like 10 years later, there's another murderer and she
receives a second puzzle piece. A piece, Yeah, so.
Anytime there's. A murder.
The serial killer sends her another puzzle piece.
Like where she is? Yeah, that's crazy.
(50:36):
Would would you recommend it? I'm enjoying it.
It's. They're kind of doing that thing
where they're batch releasing the episode, so the next batch
comes out on Wednesday night. If you like a detective, crime
dramas, it's pretty good. It kind of reminds me of
Sherlock sometimes. She's a little like on the
spectrum. She has an amazing memory.
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She's, you know, definitely offensive to people.
So she's very like, quirky, likeautistic quirky, I guess.
I love those types of characters.
Yeah, I think we also talked about Extraordinary Attorney Wu.
Yeah, Love it. OK.
Yeah, I think I'll give it a shot and maybe we'll do another
episode about it. I'm your Korean.
(51:21):
Stan. Now say it in Korean.
I've already offended too many. Korean people.
OK. Well, thanks for.
Yapping with us, thanks for having me.
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OK. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi
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A binge yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
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(00:23):
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That's it. And you honestly, Jing.
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For butchering that. Come for her at the comments
welcome Jing. Wow, thank you for preparing
that. I'm.
Honored to be the first guest. So if you haven't guessed from
the Korean today, we aren't going to talk about Devil's Plan
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Season 2, The Death Room. I've been talking about this a
bunch in our Binge in progress segment where I've been just
like fangirling about Devil's Plan.
And so it was. It was definitely going to be
the case that Shalini would never watch it.
I think that much was clear. So I killed her.
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I'm the devil. This is our plan.
Well, I'm the devil in this one,no?
But anyways, basically I finished the season and I really
wanted to discuss it with someone but Shalini was not
going to watch it. But Jing and I were talking
about it so just decided to do aspecial guest episode, so
welcome Jing. Yeah, for having me, I guess we
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can do the content. Content is king.
Yeah. OK, so let's just do a little
quick little recap. Devil's Plan is a Korean reality
game show. If you're familiar with Korean
reality game shows, think Physical 100, but more of a
mental competition. The premise is that contestants
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face off in games of wit and strategy, striving to be crowned
winner and go home with the ultimate prize, cash money.
So like we said before, this is season 2 and I would say this
was quite different from season 1 in a bad way to be honest.
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But before we get into that, Jing, what are your overall
thoughts of the season? I still like the season a lot
and I felt that the games were, I think they may be like over
engineered a little bit too muchfrom season 1 and then but also
did not anticipate like how muchthe contestants had watched
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Season 1 and how better preparedthey were for it.
So I'm hopeful that in season 3 they'll have a better mix of
things again. But I still enjoyed a lot of the
games. I think it was a lot more
political this season, which wasa little disappointing.
But I do have a new favorite Korean celebrity from the show.
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Please. Say dude, he was great.
I didn't understand why all of the contestants, we're just
like, we need to take him down immediately.
I think they were really intimidated by him.
But do you remember like that first prison match game where he
was like, I want Harine to move on, so I'm going to try to do
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this favor. So I'm going to bet the same as
Chew so that we'll both cancel each other out.
And then Chew was like, just like, didn't do it.
I remember that, but it felt like people, like other
contestants were making the samestrategic moves that we say Dole
was making. From my vantage point, I didn't
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really see him as being a huge threat.
I mean, I think we had kind of talked about this before when it
came to a 1 to 1 matchup. In the end, did you really want
to go against Lee, say Dole? And I guess the answer would be
no. But I feel like you could say
that for a lot of other people too, like Young you for
instance. He was an uncontested threat
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from the beginning. And you could argue that you
would also not want to go up against him one-on-one, right?
Maybe there's also some Korean culture involved because like
Lee, say, those one of the oldercast members.
And I think respect is such a big thing in Korean culture.
That's like a factor behind the scenes.
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Maybe, but actually you touched on something important, which is
actually I think I I read this on Reddit.
I forget who the user username was so I'm sorry I'll look that
up later. But there was someone on Reddit
who had posted about this and who was saying that the
contestants all had some form ofpopularity.
Like they were all influencers or actresses or well known names
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in some way or another. And you can almost tell that the
the contestants who were celebrities who needed to be
well liked didn't take any backstabbing risks or make any
of those strategic moves compared to the other people who
came in from a public forum likeHarin, for example.
Can you say though, they all made these kind of backstabbing
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moves that the others did not do?
Do you think that was part of Korean culture trying to be well
liked? Well, young you is an
influencer. Well, I mean, he's like a model
and I, OK, I looked at his Instagram and it seems like he's
also acting now. So good for him.
Yeah. But I also saw that on Reddit
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that in June. And so he especially we're
really trying very hard to preserve their image.
And I do think there probably isan aspect to that just because
Korean netizens can be really harsh.
I also felt like 7 highs performance.
I think a lot of Korean watchersreally thought he's being way
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too aggressive, which for Korea I totally agree.
But I was like, this guy's just playing like an American,
basically. Yeah, but I I would say that 7
highs career is not really aboutbeing well liked.
Actually playing aggressive and Devil's plan would probably help
him long term in his career. Because if you played a poker
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game against 7 high, I'd be likelike I'm I'm scared.
Like. Like depending on how he played
on Devil's plan I'd be like oh shit I don't want to do this.
He would go all in against me and then I would fold.
I'd be like, I can't do this. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I'd be like he would read me like a book.
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Well, OK, but let's go back to Hyun Jun and so he who like
tried to maintain their image, but they're the ones who won
basically too, though. Well, let's talk about this.
Let's talk about so he. Oh yeah, So he yeah versus Hyung
Gu in the final match. Yeah.
So it basically came down to thewire where so he was 100%
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confident that she knew where she went wrong and she knew
exactly what numbers Hyung Yu had.
Hyung Yu had a 5050 shot of getting so he's numbers right.
And they kind of were in the stalemate where they kept
putting in all of their chips, all of their chips, and they
kept matching, matching, matching, matching.
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And then so he was like, you know what, I will let fate
decide if I win. And I'm like.
Bitch like what are? You doing, you have 100% shot of
getting this right. Just keep betting, keep going.
All in, all in, all in, why are you yielding to this guy who was
a 5050 shot? I was really upset at her.
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I felt it was also like against the spirit of devil's plan.
Yeah, I think she waited too long.
If that was her strategy, she should have just stopped betting
immediately because I think the longer she kept betting, the
more time it gave him and seemedlike to like kind of recalculate
things. And so then she kind of just
ended up in this middle point where she just picked literally
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the worst outcome and then lost.Yeah, I agree.
I I was thinking about that too,like, oh, maybe the longer that
she keeps betting it and matching him, the longer he's
taking the calculate. But then if you think that way,
then why would you yield? Like you just have to keep
going. But then I thought, what would
happen if they just kept puttingin two chips for an hour?
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What would happen? I feel like they probably would
have edited it in such a way where maybe the stalemate we
would have never known about andthen they would have figured out
a different solution actually. So did you watch?
OK I read this on Reddit too a long time ago.
But the first season of physical100, do you remember?
(10:01):
It was like the two guys pullingrope.
That was like the final challenge, right?
Yeah. And so apparently they filmed
that challenge four times, and it was only in the last time
that the snowboarding guy won. Oh wow.
Yeah. Do you think they would have had
to play that card game multiple times then?
(10:24):
Yeah, maybe they would have had to do it again.
Oh man. I do remember that, that rope
pulling match, it looked so grueling.
I think I even remembered at thetime.
I'm like, how long has this beengoing on?
It feels like hours. Uh huh.
Woof. OK, well so we know that Sophie
and Young you were in an alliance along with Kyu Hyun,
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the Super Junior guy and SinglesInferno host for a while.
But what did you think about thealliances in this season in
general? Because I think in season 1
there was a lot more individualism.
Like people didn't straight up form alliances like crazy.
I think I was shocked to see in the initial game it was like,
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hey, we're going to be in an alliance.
And then they played to those alliances for no reason.
It fell. It's like, that's so weird.
Like they were in an alliance with 7 high just because 7 high
was like let's play together andthey're like OK.
OK, First off, I did love the editing in the last episode
where Tino was like, oh, I thinkso he's gonna win.
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I've never seen her play emotionally.
She always stays so calm. And then they cut to like all
the scenes where she's like, sobbing.
Yeah, yeah, they did her dirty. Did.
And then they did one where someone in the beginning
interview was like, yeah, I'm probably not going to keep these
alliances. I'm going to move around with
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what's advantageous. And then they like stuck with
the same lines the whole time. Yeah, but to be honest, a lot of
that was the game design. Once you were in prison, it was
so hard to get out because of the way that the games were
designed. You were always just limited by
the number of pieces you had, and therefore the number of
pieces that you could potentially gain if you were at
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the bottom. It was so, so hard to move up.
And that's why Shun June was theonly guy who moved out of the
prison room, because he was the only one who did the hidden
game. Yeah, I agree.
Like the structure made it feel a lot more classes.
And it felt to classes like there were just so many
disadvantages to being in prison.
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Like you didn't have good food, your appearance, whatever.
If I didn't have coffee on this game show, I would be out.
I could not play at all. Yeah, I mean, I think it was
nice that people in the living room always gave the prisoners
coffee when they came in for themain match.
I thought that was really nice. It's really cute.
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But but yeah, I just think that there should have been more
opportunities for the prison people to get to the living room
quarters, especially if it was always living room versus
prison. If that was always the alliance,
then yeah, you're gonna have pretty solid lines in the ground
when it comes to the main match because people are just gonna
divvy up their alliances that way.
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Yeah, it definitely was way lessdynamic in Season 2 compared to
Season 1 where there was just a lot less intermingling, I would
say, of the players. I wish they had at least
switched the hidden game matchesso that the prisoners could have
gotten the one where oh you don't get eliminated and you can
get this hidden reward that thatwas such a crazy advantage
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compared to the prison one whichis like 10 pieces and you're
instantly a target. Yeah, I was confused when they
were playing those games in Episode 2 and I was like, oh is
everyone got a chance to keep playing these games and it was
just like a one and done and it was so early in the whole
season. Yeah, I think one of the reasons
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why I loved season 1 was about the meta game, that realization
that they could use the pieces to unlock something that was so
mind blowing to me that they're like, oh man, these pieces,
they're different. Why are they different?
Oh, they fit together this way and it unlocks this.
I'm like, that's crazy. And I think that's why I love
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Devil's Time Season 1 so much. But then Season 2, the the
contestants were like, oh, let'slook at these pieces.
Oh, there's a meta game here in the living room.
Oh, there's a meta game in the prison.
They just found it instantly. Yeah.
I also felt in Season 1 with themeta game, it really helped the
underdogs like come back up and end up winning at the end of the
season versus in Season 2 it just like basically reinforced
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the existing classes within the game.
Exactly. Yeah, I think that's why it
wasn't really as interesting to watch for me.
There is a point during doubt and bet where it was 7 high on
you, Chenju Chengyou. And so he I was like, OK, the
prison squad finally has the numbers advantage where they can
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win against the oppressor Young.And I was rooting for them so
hard. And then when you knew was
eliminated, I was like, I hate this.
And then I just started fast forwarding.
I was like, I don't care at thispoint because it's pretty
obvious who's gonna win. It's gonna be young you.
And so he at the end. I thought it was crazy in that
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whole game, every time they redrew their order that young
you and so he still end up rightnext to each other.
Yeah, what that's like, like stupid luck, but also is so
irritating because in my mind, Young he was absolutely the
villain. I just really hated the way that
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he interacted with Young June, especially in I can't remember
what it was the. Mancala.
Yeah, balanced Mancala. When he was like, oh, can you
not do simple arithmetic? I was like, back up dude.
Yeah, so OK, here's some Reddit T about the balance Montcala
episode. Apparently QQ him and Sophie did
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know about the advantage before the game.
So I think that's why they were like, OK, we're not going to
play with you, you're going to be fine.
So we don't need to play with you in this one game.
And then later, yeah, they like rejoin him.
Why would they rejoin him then? Then that makes even less sense
that they would rejoin him because he was basically like.
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I'm so lonely, yeah. And they were like, oh, OK,
we'll join you, even though we know that you have 10 pieces in
your back pocket. That makes no sense.
Yeah, I just, yeah. It really wasn't in the spirit
of Devil's plan. So annoying.
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I wish that they would play the games individually.
Honestly I think the alliances broke a lot of the games.
I feel like the players are so good at figuring out strategy
that it's hard to like, not figure out an alliance strategy.
Yeah, I mean, I think one game that was really good was
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Monsters, where you can form an alliance, but then whatever
things that you earn, it's divided by how many people are
in your alliance. I wish they had done that for
basically all of the games because there were at least two
games where the living room alliance was way greater it felt
than than the prison alliance because even the prison alliance
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was constantly divided. Yeah, and the living room
alliance. So it just felt one sided all
the time. I also wonder if they gave the
players too much time to strategize before the game
started. Like maybe if they had cut that
time a little bit, there wouldn't happen so much like,
oh, how do we medicating this game right now?
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Yeah, I, I wish that in Season 3that they fixed that because,
for example, there is no reason that he should have gotten so
many pieces. Like he was not a strategic
player at all. He kind of just did whatever
other people told him to. It was really only a matter of
luck that he was a corrupt cop in the beginning, and then
that's how we just became part of the living room alliance.
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Yeah, but Peter. Did anything?
I felt like he didn't really addanything.
It didn't really seem like he was like a good player, like he
was kind of just there, which. Exactly.
Like, maybe he's really good at the social game, as we might
say, but yeah. Maybe.
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I do think Hyungu and Sohi were like the most competent players,
like at the actual games themselves.
I would agree with that. I think there were a couple of
people, but I mean, I agree. I think Sohi and Yungu were
definitely good at the game. I think Chungu was definitely
the devil, to be honest, which is what the game needed.
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It just sucked that there was such a strong alliance, an
emotional bond between Sohui andYoung you that we just didn't
get a good game at the end. Yeah, that part was really
disappointing. Yeah.
Even when Sophie picked cute cute him like to help her
practice the like tiger versus sheep game, I was like Lisa
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Dole, she gonna pick him. Yeah, literally no one picked
Lisa Dole. I was like, you have a literal
Go player who's waiting in the wings, why would you not pick
him? Crazy.
The the freaking alliances. Well, OK, we know who our
villain is. Our.
Least favorite character? So I think Kyungu is villain #1
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and then I actually put Q him asvillain #2 spicy.
Why? Like we were saying, I think he
kind of just held on and didn't really contribute much.
And then honestly, I felt he waskind of spineless the whole
game. Yeah, I totally agree.
I also didn't really like to know either for that reason.
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I felt like to know he's the type of guy that was like, OK,
so this is what we're going to do.
And then when that changes and it puts you in a disadvantage,
he's like, so sorry, guys, the hands were tied.
Like, so it's coming from up there.
It's coming from the, it's not me.
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It's coming. Like take accountability, dude.
Truly like OK, so before the monsters game, the living room
group, they were like, oh, we don't want this class divide, we
should try to mix up the alliances a little bit more.
But basically only Devon High played outside the Alliance and
then ended up being in the prison group.
Yeah, he got punished for playing the game the way that it
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was meant to be played, which I did not like.
Yeah, OK, one more gripe before we talk about people we love,
which is that I felt the games this season 2, there was just
too much betting involved, like too many poker bearing of games.
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But there was a lot of betting, which is like even all the more
reason like, why didn't SouthernHigh succeed?
Because he was so good at betting.
It's about the system getting this down man.
So OK, one thing I want to say about 7 high is I felt like his
eyes were so aggressive like. Yeah, some crazy eyes.
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Yeah, and then I felt kind of bad when Sophie and Young Gu
were saying that they were scared of him, like in the final
episode. But then I was also like, I too
would be kind of scared of. Him.
Yeah, I would be scared of him too.
Until that moment and in the prison match where he was like,
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like massaging his neck, I was like, oh shit, like he kind of
hot. That would get too Richie.
Yeah. Neck.
Massaging, yeah, he was so focused.
Even even when you comment on onto she was like oh shit.
I think. I think he's a good looking guy
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for sure. Yeah, I think he grew on me the
most, actually. He was definitely the person.
I was like, oh, I hate this guy at the beginning.
But then by the end, I was like,it feels like he's the only one
who's really playing in the spirit of the game and everyone
else is like, just like, daintily solving puzzles or, you
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know, just sticking with their same buds for like, no reason.
That's true. I loved his final move where he
was like, I know I can't win, I know I can't stay in, but let me
just try to shake things up as much as I can.
So I'm going to give all my chips to Sophie so that he can
win. And then it was so frustrating
when she started crying and thenwas thinking about whether she
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should accept or not. And it's like, girl, I.
Don't know what that was at all.I'm like, what game are you
playing here? Because I don't think it's
devil's plan. I think it's Korea's sweetheart
the game. Part of me wondered, OK, I feel
like this is also kind of where American game shows deviate from
Korean game shows, where there was no question of romance in
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the Korean game show. But part of me was wondering,
like, are they dating? Like, is that why she's so loyal
to him? But I also saw on the Internet
so Kyungu had been on another reality TV show before this, but
he was dating someone from that show apparently.
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I don't know if they were still together by the time Devil's
Plan aired and stuff. That's spicy.
Do you think he and so who we are?
I don't know, You know, she's only four or five years older
than him, which I feel like. You know, divided by 2 + 7.
Yeah, yeah, it would be a hot and smart couple.
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Their kid would probably win Devil's plan.
Yeah, for sure. I also really like the
relationship between Justin and She Young.
I was like, so cute they got together.
Wait, I loved at the end when they all came back in the in the
last episode, they were like, wait, Justin's like really
famous. It's like dig, get roasted,
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Justin. Yeah, I had to look up because
they kept mentioning that he wason in Beef and then I was like,
wait, who is he in Beef again? He is the church guy.
You know, Steven Young's like exgirlfriend's new husband.
That's Justin Men's character. Oh, I thought he was the younger
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brother. Oh.
No, he's the one who's like, when he's like singing in the
church that Steven Young, like, starts crying.
Yeah, wow. OK.
I remember when I was first looking him up, I was like, oh,
he was in Umbrella Academy and he was in like this other, other
stuff, but I didn't clock that he was in beef.
And then they set it in the showand I was like, what?
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Was after watching Devil's Plan,I was in a bit like a oh,
adjusted man kick. And so I watched a movie that he
had recently been in called Shortcomings, and it's actually
set in Berkeley. OH.
Nice. What's the premise?
OK, he plays a really unlikable and irredeemable character, but
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basically he plays an aspiring film director.
His girlfriend's also a film director.
She takes an internship at some like, art group in New York and
then they have a break. But yeah, he he's like a a real
asshole in that movie and reallysucks.
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Acting is great but the character sucks.
Right. Yeah, yeah, What a great actor.
What did you think of Justin Minin Devil's Plan?
He lasted way longer than I thought he would and honestly
high low key thought he would bekind of a dummy when he first
came on the show. Me too, me too.
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I think cuz he walked in with kind of this like Hollywood
vibe. He.
Yeah, actually, well, I don't think he was like super great at
the games, but he wasn't terrible, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I think when he first came in, Ithink his first prison match, I
was like, this guy is not going to last Cornell.
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Give me a break. But then I think he played
really well. And I actually did feel bad for
him when he suggested the alliance to get Park Sanyon out.
And then Onye was like, yeah, let me let me think about it.
And then the other two invited her to the alliance and not Lisa
Dole or Justin and Justin's like, what the heck, you guys?
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Like I was literally the person who came up with this and now
you guys are having an alliance and leaving us out.
That makes no sense. So I felt for him at that moment
too. Yeah, the Korean medicine
commentary about that moment when he was just like, you guys,
this is so fucked up that you did this to me and how Korean
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citizens were like, Oh my gosh, that's so brave of him for him
to like stand up to these bullies.
And it's so true that Koreans don't really include Korean
Americans and stuff. So yeah, all came out in that
one. Episode.
Well, what was the why? Why did they not include Lee?
Say Dole? He's Korean.
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That's true. I feel like the two of them are
just kind of outsiders, like thewhole game, you know?
I did like how they kind of teamed up for the monster game,
but then I felt bad when they were like, oh breakthrough.
Looks like you can crush Lee saythough, because he's in 11th
place or something, or 11th in the order.
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That was so sad. Yeah, I did see on John Jones
Instagram that it seemed like heand Lee say Doll are living
something together maybe. Thing together.
I don't know if it was like filming a YouTube video or
something. They're just like some pictures
of them mozing together in fashion.
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Shoot so. A fashion shoot?
Yeah. Wait, we say Dole.
Yeah. We say Dole.
It was so cute. Also, young June has a notion on
his Instagram page and then the notion is a math blog and it's
his musings all his favorite like professors and like
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mathematicians and like ways to think about math.
It was so cute. Well, this is Richard Feynman
classic classic. Also Lee say Dole.
Fun fact is that he is now the same professor at university in
Korea and is working on how to harmonize with AI.
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Yeah, I think his match with Google DeepMind with Alphago
really put a pivot in his career.
Yeah, like it ended his career and go.
Yeah, he retired. Yeah, he like retired soon
after, right? Well, yeah, he said apparently
that after his match with Alphago that he just didn't have
any more joy in playing Go anymore.
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That's so sad, my God. AI ruining everything.
AI be like this is a solved problem.
OK, Also OK, so I did try to do a night's tour.
I tried it maybe 6 times. A5 by time.
Of a oven 8 by 8 and I was 8 by.Eight.
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Oh my gosh. And I was like, OK, I'm not just
like falling into the solution. So I guess it is difficult.
I tried a 5 by 5 and I did not fall into the solution either.
OK, I have two questions. Who was your favorite contestant
and then what was your favorite game?
Oh OK, My favorite contestant was UN You.
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UN you the MNA. Lawyer, the MNA Lawyer, and I
mean one, I think she was just agood player, like whole like
Alliance with Justin backstabbing aside, in general,
I think she was quite competent.And then I also just love that
she chose to keep wearing the prison outfit all the time.
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I just thought that was so funny.
Yeah, I'm with you. I think she was my favorite.
I think also Jiang was my favorite.
I liked her from the beginning, but then when she was a part of
the living room alliance I was like, I don't know if I can like
her. So I stuck with Inu.
But then once Jiang went to the prison alliance, I was like, OK,
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I can like her again. Yeah, the my favorite alliance
was the seven high Inu Jiang alliance.
Like that was really cute. Same.
They had a lot of really good chemistry, I felt.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they were really funny.
I love Prison Queen on you. She was like, I change my
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clothes, you guys. I change my clothes every day,
just so you know. I also shower, just so you know.
Oh my gosh, she's so funny. And then I think it was in when
her last like prison match when she put her hair up.
And then he on June was like, Ohmy gosh, she's so pretty.
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Yeah, I was like, ship, Is this a ship?
Yeah, they were great. Curious if she will go on to do
more influencing after this or she's just gonna go back to her
corporate M and a job. Imagine if you're the other
attorney in a corporate M&A. Are they seating you across the
table from you I. Would be like, oh Dang, I'm on
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the wrong side, yeah. Oh shit, she's gonna fuck me up.
I'm on the M side but I should be on the A side.
That's how other days work mate.Yes, as someone who has an MBA,
I can confirm. Nice.
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What was your favorite game? The dice game.
Oh, with the colored blocks. The colored blocks Unknown I
think was the name because you had to figure out the rules.
Yes, yeah, I think because my spatial reasoning is good.
So I like games where you have to have like a spatial awareness
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of things. And then I also like the hidden
rules. I think that was probably the
game that I would do the best in, but I think my favorite game
was the monster game. Yeah, 'cause I think there was,
there was so much that was left up to chance and it there was so
much mystery that you couldn't really strategize.
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It was like I felt like it was 8020 luck strategy, which I
think is a good mix of luck and strategy, especially for the way
that the games are being played out.
That's true, that's fair. My second favorite game was the
the one with the different like metal.
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Oh yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I was really disappointed in them because I felt like if
the only thing that he is sayingis that the red dots have to
touch, you gotta get creative. You can't just do like the the
the like in a straight line. I felt like that game really was
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not the prison team's game because all four of them were
just so bad at that game and made so many bad assumptions.
Yeah, it was not good. I mean, I think they eventually
figured it out and kind of thought outside the box a little
bit, but I think it did show. So he so he figured out some
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stuff, right. And I think Tenno also figured
out some stuff mostly. So we.
Yeah. OK.
Well, there you go. That's why.
So we you can't got to bring grip.
My got to be aggressive. I felt like there were so many
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great women players on the show,and so I'm just kind of sad that
none of them won. Totally agree, I think that's
what was very irritating to me for this season to watch.
Like to just watch someone with extreme intelligence and
competence, probably even more intelligence than the person
that she was facing, just give up basically.
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It was very irritating to watch.She almost could have won that
first game and in those three series of games if she had just
changed her last bet like. I didn't understand why she
didn't go all in. I was like, there's a very clear
point where you go all in in thefirst game and then she just
didn't. Well, will you be watching
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Season 3 of Devil's Plan? I will.
I'm OK, This is OK. Maybe a few predictions.
I think the cast will be more diverse, so either perhaps more
Korean Americans or. I don't know, like
internationals. Yeah, like internationals who
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speak Korean Well, Yeah. I wonder, do you remember
Singles Inferno in the third season?
There was that girl from Harvard.
They should have her. On the show, you're so right.
Do you think she would last? She would, I just don't know if
her Korean is good enough. But maybe you've gotten better.
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I feel like Justin was speaking in English half the time, so
probably fine. English is so good.
He was in an English immersion school, right?
And so they speak in English at school basically.
Yeah, I think at KAIST it's all English.
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Oh. Technically, you would think
Sophie would also have amazing English, but we never heard her
speak. Because she was too busy being
with the Living Room Alliance. You know, I think in the first
season they had more games that required you to know English,
but in season 2, like English was not part of the games at
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all. I barely remember season 1 to be
honest. I think I only remember like the
tessellation thing. That was really was so cool.
Yeah, I'll probably still watch Season 3, but I want them to mix
it up a little bit more so that there's a lot more balance and
there's a lot. There's a lot more dynamicness,
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dynamic. The placing changes a lot more.
I want to see more of that. Yeah, I agree with that. 01
thing that I have found out I was reading this article it was
from Korea herald. One thing that was different
from Season 1 is that instead ofrelying solely on the production
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team, the new season brought in teams from the applicant pool to
help develop the games themselves.
Just. Saying, yeah, so maybe that's
why the games that the people developed from the outside were
easily broken, I guess, by by alliances and and like group
strategy. Yeah, the the last main match
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game just really seemed like it wasn't well tested the color
poker one. Yeah, well, that was.
Broken because they just got lucky just being next to each
other the whole time. But I think they should have
changed the format so that you had to switch positions more
often every five rounds or something.
Maybe because they were just like, oh, I'm going to kill the
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bet 20 Reds. Right.
Oh, let's just switch chips between you and me.
I I wish that they didn't reallydo the alliance stuff, but I
also know why they do the alliance stuff.
It's because it's more dramatic when someone betrays you, but
maybe the way that they do the placement, like instead of doing
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depending on the number of pieces, that's who goes to the
living room versus prison. It's like, oh, depending on how
well you did in the main match or some other way of doing the
rankings more individually. I totally agree with that.
I think they should have maybe like Lee, Seydal and Orbit test
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their games for them for season 3.
I need to rewatch season 1 because I really don't remember.
I just remember being surprised at who won.
But I liked being surprised at who won.
I think this was just like, all right, he's going to win.
Oh, he's going to win. Oh, he's going to win.
Oh, he won. If you and I were in Devil's
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plan, who do you think would do better?
And, and you know, we're not. We all know each other.
Obviously we'd form an alliance and we make it to the end that
way. But we're just strangers.
I think if you were in Devil's plan, you would be Horan.
Say this, but I feel like I would be more like in you.
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That's what I feel. I was going to say I would be
more like you. I think we both just want to be
in you. I was going to say, I think it
really depends on what our firstgame was.
So if our first game we were playing some like mafia type
game and I was on evil with likethree or four other people, I
would just play that way for therest of the of the season.
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You would just be like, I'm the villain 100%.
I'm in it to win it. I think I would just form an
alliance with my other evil people and just play that way
for the whole game. Which is exactly what happened
in Season 2, right? Yeah.
I think that's what that's what would happen.
So it'd be it depends. I would be extremely loyal to my
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alliance, Yeah. But if I were a townsperson,
then I'd be a little bit more fluid with my alliances.
But I wouldn't be, yeah, I wouldn't be so loyal.
I feel. I don't know who was kind of
playing like that. Seven ever.
I don't. Think I'm gutsy enough to be 7
high? I'm too risk averse.
Well, I feel like that's probably what years of being a
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good poker player is. Maybe we'd both be Justin Min.
Honestly, probably. Our only claim to fame would be
Caltech. Or probably, oh, you know, I'd
probably be sang sang Young, whowas a little too aggressive and
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then got eliminated quickly. But I don't think you would be
put in that position where you would be at the bottom of the
pack in your alliance and then your alliance pushes you to take
the fall and be in the prison. I feel like I'm good at being in
the middle of the pack. Yeah, yeah, maybe I'd be the
Miss Korea contestant, just get eliminated at night one because
I thought it would be night store.
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She, I'm very impressed by her actually.
I was like, wow, she solved thispuzzle, but then she just
totally panicked in the well when the water started coming
down. When it said like here is the
hint find the key, I was like I think I would just put KEY
yellow and then be like now what?
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Where's the key? Give me the key.
You think if cuz Lise doll really wanted to do the prison
match so do you think if he had been in the well he would have
been able to escape? I have to believe in him.
I'm going to say yeah. You think so?
I don't think he would actually.Really.
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I just feel like it takes like alevel of abstract thinking, you
know, to be like, oh, match themto the letter and.
Yeah, I guess maybe. I think he's really good at
thinking under pressure, though,and I think that's what you
needed in the well, because it was a pretty simple puzzle,
right? It was just like, OK, this thing
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is in English. Like as soon as I saw the
elephant, I was like, oh, he is for elephant.
It's probably like matching the letters to the to like the
symbols. Like why else would there be
like a xylophone symbol, you know?
Yeah, that's terrible. I think he would have been able
to do it. What did you think the prison
game was when you saw Miss Korea's exit interview and she
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was like all wet? Oh, yeah, OK.
I thought that when she was crawling through that pipe and
maybe that's why she got super wet.
I think I just assumed that it was Night's tour and that it was
just a level harder than what she thought.
And then that's how she got eliminated.
Because we found that out in When Young You was doing the
(43:55):
hidden game, right? He practiced 6 by 6 and 7 by 7,
but he didn't practice 8 by 8 and then the main the hidden
game was 6-7 and eight. So that's what I thought would
was in the prison, except you were also wet.
I I liked how he was using lotting papers to.
(44:16):
Yeah. Map it out for himself.
And I was like, how are you seeing this?
It's so hard for me to see theselittle papers.
And then, like, how do you know what number you've put the paper
in? What order?
That's so difficult. Also, all the papers were, like,
blowing everywhere. That would stress me out.
So true. Glad that he could do it, that
(44:37):
he just found out that pattern. Yeah.
That was really impressive. Yeah.
And didn't make a mistake at anypoint leading up to it was like
oh I need to stop and then like map it out for myself now.
That was so impressive. And then once he saw the
pattern, OK, he's done. I was like, OK, that's, that's
pretty good. So I, I feel like Kim, you
definitely deserved it. I'm just upset that Sophie gave
(45:00):
it to him, you know? Yeah, when he first introduced
himself on the show and he was aphysical education major, like
he is a physical education major, one of the top
universities in Korea. But I was like this.
Guy, I didn't know that he was aPE major.
(45:20):
Yeah. Wow.
Well, he's also like an influencer and everything,
right? OK, well.
Yeah. Oh, and then when Song Young was
like, I won the Physics Olympiad, I was like, oh fuck,
holy shit, this guy is so smart.Like winning the Physics
Olympiad, Like that's so difficult.
(45:42):
Did you ever do a Math in Physics Olympiad when you were
in high school? I didn't even get there.
I did like AMC 12 and then I waslike I suck at this.
That's the same thing that happened to me.
I was like AMC AM and AIMEIMO the Olympiad, something like
that. Anyway, there were three levels.
My God those tests gave me a headache.
(46:04):
I'm like, I'm like thinking through them so hard.
Like how do I solve this math puzzle?
Listeners, if you're curious about what the Physics Olympiad
is, just go online and look at the practice tests.
You'll be like close laptop. Although I did find it really
funny when Hyun Jun was like, asmathematicians we don't deal
(46:26):
with numbers like we're just logic.
And I was like, that's right, Sotrue.
But in spite of that, he did do very well.
He did. I think that was the, that was
the match that I think I would have done the worst in.
I'm so bad at that. I had so much trouble.
I would like pause it and then I'd try to like come up with a
few and then I could, I would only get one and then I'd be
(46:49):
like, OK, all right, let's just watch.
That's exactly what I did. I would pause it, I would find
exactly 1 and I'd be like OK, great.
Play. I think part that kept confusing
me was the order of operations and I kept just doing it
linearly when you need to actually follow the right order
of operations. Did you ever play that game 24?
(47:13):
I think it's a really similar premise, but your your target is
always 24 and you just get a setof numbers and you just have to
like given a set of numbers, make 24.
Oh, interesting. Yeah, but you can pick the
operators. Yeah, yeah, you can pick the
operators. It's just like, here's a set of
numbers, make 24 as fast as you can.
(47:35):
I think it's like you look at inthe real world, you like, look
at like signs that have numbers on them and then you try to
create 24. It's, it could be like a road
game too. Yeah, maybe I'm explaining this
wrong, but I never liked that game and all of my math nerd
friends loved it actually. So preparing for the GMAT, which
(47:56):
is the test for MBA programs, I actually had to really practice
my mental math because there's along like math section and it's
just easier. Like you could get through the
questions faster if you're able to do the mental math, but that
all the skills are gone now. Sometimes they look back on math
tests or anything that I did in high school and I'm like, who
(48:17):
was this person? Because I don't know her.
My pronouns are she but not her because I'll never be here.
To be fair to ourselves, we are able to solve more complex and
abstract problems now that I'm sure we could have in high
school. That's a fairpoint, yeah.
(48:39):
We can deal with ambiguity a lotmore, yeah.
Systems. True.
Everything's a system. Ratings, Yeah.
What would you rate? This show for all.
Of its problems I. Still really enjoyed it and I
definitely binged it so I would give this a 7 1/2.
OK. I would give it a 6 1/2.
(49:02):
I also was really, really excited.
I think I started the season at an 8, maybe 8 1/2.
And then by the end I was like, Oh my God, get this over with.
So I'm gonna land out a 6.5. Yeah, it like it.
It started off. Really good, but then it yeah,
went downhill. Well, hopefully they fix.
(49:22):
The problems that we've outlinedin this episode, Devil's Plan
producers, you. Better be listening to this
podcast. Tag them.
Tag them. Make sure they read the Reddit
too. Yeah, OK, well let's do binge in
progress. What are you watching, James?
I'm sticking with. Korean for now.
(49:45):
So I'm watching this K drama on Hulu called 9 Puzzles, and it's
like a detective crime drama about a serial killer.
And so the main character, the actress, she was in ET One
class. Anyway, yeah, I just recognized
her from there. She's a great actress.
I like her face a lot, but she plays the niece of a victim and
(50:11):
then the lead detective in that case thinks that she's the
killer and she receives a puzzlepiece.
And then like 10 years later, there's another murderer and she
receives a second puzzle piece. A piece, Yeah, so.
Anytime there's. A murder.
The serial killer sends her another puzzle piece.
Like where she is? Yeah, that's crazy.
(50:36):
Would would you recommend it? I'm enjoying it.
It's. They're kind of doing that thing
where they're batch releasing the episode, so the next batch
comes out on Wednesday night. If you like a detective, crime
dramas, it's pretty good. It kind of reminds me of
Sherlock sometimes. She's a little like on the
spectrum. She has an amazing memory.
(50:59):
She's, you know, definitely offensive to people.
So she's very like, quirky, likeautistic quirky, I guess.
I love those types of characters.
Yeah, I think we also talked about Extraordinary Attorney Wu.
Yeah, Love it. OK.
Yeah, I think I'll give it a shot and maybe we'll do another
episode about it. I'm your Korean.
(51:21):
Stan. Now say it in Korean.
I've already offended too many. Korean people.
OK. Well, thanks for.
Yapping with us, thanks for having me.
Bye guys, bye. Thanks for yapping with.
Us if you loved this episode, have some hot takes we missed,
or if you've got a show you're dying for us to binge next,
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follow us on socials. We're at Binge Yapper Pete.
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