July 31, 2025 • 68 mins
This week on Binge Yap Repeat, we’re yapping about The Hunting Wives—the steamy, messy, murdery new thriller that’s giving “mom drama” a whole new meaning. We break down Sophie’s descent into East Texas chaos, the performative lesbian storylines, and the very confusing plotholes that were never explained. We’ve got thoughts on the pacing, the twists, and the liberal use of the concealed carry policy. Pour a glass of wine (or something stronger) and let’s yap.
BYR average rating: 6.5/10
Number of episodes: 8 (7 hour runtime)
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Hey yappers, welcome back to Binge Yap Repeat.
Today we discuss The Hunting Wives on Netflix, we yap all
about some confusing plot holes from the night of Abby's murder,
we educate each other on some ofthe gun laws in Texas, and we
dissect the parts of the show that were straight up
unnecessary, like the entire abortion plot line.
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Did we love to hate the show or hate to love it?
Find out right now. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.
And I'm Shalini and we're your hosts.
A binge, yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
an embarrassing amount of time binge watching TV, and honestly,
we just need to talk about it. If you're here, we're guessing
you do too. Fair warning.
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This is a spoiler friendly zone.We will be discussing lots of
spoilers, so if you haven't watched the show yet, pause, go
binge and come back when you're ready to yap with us.
And now it's yap time. What's up yappers?
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Shalini, you ever been hunting? I ain't never been hunting.
I ain't never been no wife. Then you ain't never been no
hunting wife. So today we'll be talking about
Department Cute, Yes, Today yappers will be discussing
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hunting wives. Excuse.
Me, it is the hunting wives. So I'm so sorry.
OK, All right, So the premise ofthe hunting wives is Sophie, who
is played by Brittany Snow tradecity life for East Texas and
falls into a wealthy socialite. Margo played by Mallon Ackerman
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a wealthy socialites magnetic orbit where a clique of
housewives hide deadly secrets. The hunting wives premiered on
Netflix on July 21st 2025 and it's based on a book by Mae
Cobb. So there are so many things I
want to talk about, including differences between the book and
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the show the ending what crazy, but I'll just hand it over to
utility for your overall facts. All right, my.
OTS I thought this show was a perfect shitty summer binge, you
know what I mean? It had it all.
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It had rich people with crazy secret lives.
It had murder. It had a.
Lesbians. It had a lesbians.
Yeah, You know, it really had itall.
So it was very a very strange premise, but I enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed it in the way that I enjoy shitty TV.
Like I enjoyed it so much more than I enjoy higher quality
television sometimes just because it was so bingeable and
I was so into it, but not because it was high quality TV,
if that makes sense. Yeah.
Oh yeah, that does make sense. So was it, was it like a good
background show for you then? Is that what it was or were you
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still like in it? I guess I was in it.
I think if we didn't have this podcast, I maybe would have
treated it as a background show.But I wanted to come with a good
discussion. So I was in it and I really took
my time because usually I feel like the shows we cover, they
come out on Thursday or Friday and then we have the weekend to
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watch it. But this show came out last
Monday and so we had a whole week to watch it.
And so I think the relaxed cadence of watching also helped
me like, really absorb the show.I think, I think for me, it took
me a little bit to get into it. So I think while I was watching
the show, I was messaging Shelly.
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I was like, this feels like lesbians for the male gays.
And then I was like, actually, it feels like Republicans for
the Democrat gays. So weird.
It's like a combination of thosetwo.
And I was like, why are these like, why is it like so
stereotypical right now? And so I kind of like, wasn't
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really into it. But then I, I think when all of
like, the murder stuff started happening and then it was like a
whodunit, then I was locked in. I was like, OK, now it's getting
interesting. Can't wait to see how this plays
out. Nice.
OK, Speaking of the murder, whendid you start to think that the
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murdered person was not Sophie? Oh, actually I wrote this down.
I think it was something like episode 2 or something when Abby
started talking to Jill, or likemaybe when she started talking
to Pastor P about things. I was like, oh, OK, so Adam's
going to get Got. Yeah, I, it was also pretty
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early on for me, I think. Yeah, I was watching.
Oh, it must have been during episode 1, though, because I
only watched one episode with mysister.
And at the end I was like, you know, they've never shown the
dead person's face. So do you think it's not Sophie?
And then my sister was like, oh,maybe it's Abby.
And I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah, I think, I think like
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while watching the show, I was like, I feel like it's not
Sophie, but also I don't know who else is blonde in the show.
And then yeah, I it's, yeah, I probably should have put that
together a lot earlier. I mean, whether she was dressed
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too right was like very young. Yes, it was very young.
I did clock that. I was like, oh, that's not
really how Sophie's been dressing.
And so the the outfit was very memorable.
And so then when I saw Abby in the outfit, I was like, oh, so
it's her. Yeah.
I feel like they should have puther in something like less
conspicuous. You know how in White Lotus,
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like, you literally can't tell anything about the dead body?
Anything You could you just see their, their heel, like,
floating above the water or something.
So it could be anyone. I feel like they should have
done something a little more like that where you really
couldn't tell, but whatever. Yeah, I think they had really, I
think they were really banking on the blonde hair, and then
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they forgot about the outfit maybe.
Yeah, there's only, like one person who really fits that
bill. But she does get killed
basically halfway through this the show.
So it's not like a like White Lotus, right?
The last episode is like, who could it be?
But then in this show, it was like, OK, it's Abby now let's
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figure out what the aftermath is.
Very true, very true. So Speaking of the aftermath, I
was a little pissed off at the ending because, yeah, because I
felt like there was so much, there's so much lead up and fall
out as a result of, oh, who killed Abby Jackson?
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Like, who is it going to be? Who is taking the fall?
Who's getting set up? Who's getting framed?
And then when she just dumps theguy Kyle over a Cliff, I was
like like, I was like, there better be a season 2.
I know. It was so confusing.
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I, yeah, as it as the show is finishing, I was like, wait,
that's it. They're not going to go back to
the Abby Jackson murder. Like, she's not going to turn
her in to the police. What's going to happen?
I wonder if what we're supposed to get from that was that, oh,
now Sophie's hiding from the police so she's never going to
turn Margo in or something. Sophie is hiding from the
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police. Oh, yes, OK, yes, I.
Think so they're both just goingto get away with it or
something. Yeah, like they both have
skeletons in the closet now and they both have a reason to cover
for each other. Ish.
I don't know. Do you think Margot could tell
that was Sophie breathing on thephone?
I don't know. I thought that she was going to
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say her name, but then she me too and I was like, what?
The way you pant over this phoneis the same way you pant in the
bedroom, Sophie. During our lesbian the sex.
Oh my God. OK, so this is a good segue to
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oh, actually, so I did confirm there will be a second season.
Oh yes, but you know, question mark, who knows what the
economic climate will be. So anyway, so the differences
between the book and the series,so The Hunting Wives is based on
a book by May Cobb. There are some minor differences
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and there are also some major differences.
So minor difference. She's from Cambridge in the
series, but in the book she's from Chicago.
I don't know why they made that change.
So arbitrary. So arbitrary.
I want to say that they probablydid that to like put some kind
of like political spin on it. I don't know, Chicago's so
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liberal. Maybe they did that so that they
could paint Graham as this like,perfect Harvard boy, because it
doesn't hit the same if he's a perfect you Chicago boy, you
know? That's fair.
Like maybe highlighting the differences between like
Democrat elitism versus like Republican elitism, I guess.
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Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Could be OK, and then here are
some of the major changes. OK.
In the novel, it is Jill who kills Abby because she thought
Abby was holding her son Brad back.
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And it's revealed in the book that Abby was actually pregnant
with Brad's son. So that's why Jill kills Abby.
She's like, crazy. Yeah.
Cuz. So she's like, oh, Brad has to
get into Baylor. How does she have access to
Sophie's gun? I don't know if she killed Abby
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with Sophie's gun. Interesting.
OK in the same vein Jill also also this is all from
collider.com some like random article that talks about the
differences between the show andthe book.
So the other difference is that Jill also kills Margot in the
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book. What because she finds out about
her and Brad having an affair. So the the whole story of the
book is like this. Is the mother's protective
instinct gone wrong? What?
Interesting. OK so Margo dies after Jill
finds out that Margo and Brad were sleeping together.
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Yes. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. So yeah, by the end of the
novel, Margo is dead, Jill is injail, Hallie and Star are still
alive, and there is a 2 month flash forward where Sophie is
divorced and like out of Texas. Whoa, those are.
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That is very different. Very different.
Why did they kill Star? In the show.
In the show. I have no idea.
I felt I was like Horse Star. She's gone through so much and
she's just, she really got the short end of the stick in the
show. Yeah, Elves on elves, man, Yeah.
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And like, financially, emotionally, physically.
Dude, no doubts for Star. Like the Caltech basketball
team, Just elves across the board.
OK, let me see. What else is the change?
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OK. I think those are like the major
changes. But, yeah, that's like pretty
big change. And so I think what they were
trying to do is maybe they were like, oh, if you've read the
book, then you know that Jill isthe murderer.
So we're going to just change itentirely and make Jill a red
herring and then kill Jill off? Kill Jill, Volume 1.
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That's what they should have named the show.
OK, wow, that, yeah, that definitely changes a lot.
When did you, I guess, who did you think was the murderer?
And did you suspect Margo at all?
Yeah, I did. I think I suspected her.
And then it reached a height andthen I was like, oh, maybe she's
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not. And then it came back down
again. But the the height of my suspect
was when Margo was going around being like, oh, like, but
there's no reason to suspect your mom, Brad, unless.
And I was like, what do you like?
What is that like? That's so manipulative.
And she did that like twice. So I was like, OK, that's highly
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suspect, Margot. Yeah, yeah I OK, I must admit.
So I was Googling Abby Jackson because I wanted to see if I had
seen the actress in anything else.
But then one of the 1st results was like why did Margot kill
Abby? And I was like, wait, Oh my God,
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yeah, rookie mistake, rookie mistake.
But then. But then I really second guessed
myself and probably ended up thinking about who else could
have killed Abby more than I would have if I hadn't read
that. Because I was like, did I?
Read that right. I feel like it could be Pete.
I feel like it could be Jill. And then, yeah, so I thought
about it a lot, but I guess I was definitely tainted by what I
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had read. I also thought, like, I didn't
even think she needed that abortion plot to for, for a
motive. Like I thought the motive was
clear that Abby. Yeah, I thought the motive was
clear that Abby knew about the divorce or sorry, knew about the
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affair and so she was going to tell Margo's husband or
whatever. And Margo was like, we can't
have that and then killed her. So I yeah.
So the IT was interesting that the abortion was like the big
reveal. OK, yeah, that is a that's a way
more reasonable plot line. And I also was a little bit
confused about the abortion because, yeah, I think it was
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like revealed that she had an abortion, but then what did that
materially mean? Like how did that change the
plot? Yeah, I don't know, because I
think, OK, Order of events was Margot has abortion of Brad's
baby. Brad confides in Peter Pete
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Lightfoot about the abortion, doesn't say who.
Pete assumes it's Abby, goes andberates Abby for doing this.
Abby puts two and two together, and it's like if Brad was
talking about a girlfriend's abortion and it wasn't me, it
must be this bitch. And then she goes looking for
her in the woods. And then that's when Margot
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finds her. But did Abby ever know that?
Oh, Abby did know about the abortion?
Because Pastor Pete told her that.
Brad told him. And she was like, what?
And that's how she knew. But then she called Jill
beforehand and was like, oh, your son's been impregnating
your friends? Yeah.
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And then I don't know how she goes into the woods and then
Margo finds her in the woods. Yeah, I don't know how Margo
finds her. And why Sophie there?
Yeah, and we didn't get an answer to that either, right?
We had like, we had video cameraproof that Sophie and Abby saw
each other in the woods, but then we didn't get any
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resolution to that, right? We just like, we don't know how
or why. We just know that she was in the
woods at that time. Yeah, and we don't know what
they were talking about. If Brad and Jamie knew that they
were all out there. I guess that was after Brad and
Jamie drove home. But they didn't drive home,
right? They like drove around the lake
or something and then went to the party.
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It was they. Did go to the party.
I don't remember. OK, OK, but in any Case, No
explanation for why Margot and Sophie decided to go into the
woods and happened upon Abby, orhow Margot thought to bring
Sophie's gun to the woods. Yeah, I also don't know about
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that. Like why can't you just take her
own gun? Also how?
Did she even think to bring a gun?
Because like, how did she know Abby was going to be there?
Yeah, maybe this is all things that they've left kind of as a
question mark for the second season.
Maybe. Yeah.
Sure, we'll give it to them. I guess.
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I guess. The other thing?
Oh yeah, going back to Pastor Pete, red flag from the
beginning. Seriously, I was like, this
dude's a creep. I clocked it so fast.
The literal instant that he showed up on the screen, I was
like youth pastor in a beanie playing a guitar in church.
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Red flag. Yeah.
Absolutely. Glad he was part of the body
cow. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm glad he died.
Also I liked that he played a role in Abby's story in people
realizing what happened to Abby even though he wasn't the
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killer. Yeah.
He was still integral to the plot, he wasn't just like a
random red herring. Untamed, take notes.
Seriously. Yeah, I agree with that.
And I also agree that or I also like that it came back-to-back
to Casey Crumble in the end being like, oh shit, like it's
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Casey Crumble now she's fine andwe found her and everything's
good. I was like, oh, great.
Yeah, yeah. I also forgot about Casey
Crumble at first. I was like, oh.
Yeah, same. Yeah.
Because I was like, wait, Salazar how?
And like how do I know this person?
And then they showed her and I was like, oh wow, that must have
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been like episode 1. Like a random one off scene came
out of nowhere. But I kept forgetting about
Casey Crummell. OK, also, Speaking of Salazar
and Casey Crummell, this was onething I took issue with.
Well, I took issue with a lot ofthings in the show on like
gender roles and stuff. But one thing I particularly,
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one thing that particularly bugged me was how after she
found Casey Crummell in that trailer thing, she like hugged
her to her chest and burst into tears.
I was like, they would never show a man bursting into tears
after solving the case. You know, that's a good point.
Why are they making her look so emotional like?
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I don't know, maybe it's, it's good that they showed someone
being emotional about solving a case that has been haunting
them. But I was like, I just hate that
they made her a woman that was crying after doing her job well,
you know? Yeah, I see what you mean.
I think I my response to that was I was really happy for
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Salazar because also she wasn't technically a police officer.
She was like, she had basically risked her life trying to solve
this case. And she came so, so close and
like, as a result was off the force, still didn't catch the
guy. And it's now plaguing her.
And there's some teenager that'sgone missing.
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And all of this is riding on her.
And she finds Casey crumble. And she knows that it's Pastor
Pete. And so I feel like it's such a
big burden that's relieved from her brain that she can finally,
like, get on the, like, get on the force again and she can
finally live her life again because she doesn't have this
dark cloud like going after her,I guess.
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Yeah. I understand that.
I think like there's, there's been so many procedurals that
we've seen that are just like, yeah, after they crack this like
15 year old case, no man is like, my God, finally they're
just like on to the next one. Yeah, cattle, Cattle.
That was a department key reference for those of you who
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haven't seen it. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Well, so OK, question for you.
Did you, did you believe Margo? Like did you like Margo as a
character? Because I felt like there are
times where I felt like, as the audience, I should really like
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Margot, but I just didn't feel that attachment towards her.
Yeah, I don't think I felt attachment towards her at all.
It might be just because of whatI've seen Malin Ackerman in
previously. What have you seen her in?
27 dresses and billions. Exactly.
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Yes, we're in 27 dresses. She's like the least sympathetic
character ever and just bulldozes through her sister's
life and takes everything without giving it a second
thought. So that might have been a reason
why I also like something. I think her Texas accent.
I don't know. Well, Texans, Texan yappers,
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tell me what you think, but I thought her Texan accent was by
far the worst one out of everyone.
So it just like kept taking me out.
And she's supposed to be, like, the most deep Texan out of all
of them. So that also kept taking me out.
And so it just like, gave this air of like, she's posing, which
she was, but just like, not in the way that I kept thinking
about. So, yeah, I do think we were
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supposed to feel something for her, having a harrowing
childhood and stuff. But I was just like, I don't
know. Yeah.
I did not feel sympathetic for her.
Yeah, I felt like a lot of her lines were delivered were just
very inauthentic to me. I just, I couldn't believe it.
Speaking of Texas accents, why didn't Kyle have one?
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The brother, yeah, did he not? Not really, I said.
It was like, definitely. I don't think he really had one.
And if he did have one, it was very different from Malan
Ackerman's Texas. Accents.
Interesting. OK.
I don't think I even clocked that.
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I wonder. Yeah.
I feel like he just had a normalaccent because I remember.
Being like a normal American accent.
I think so. Or like maybe barely.
Maybe it was Floridian. Maybe that's why I was blind to
it. It's like, yeah, I don't know.
It just like wasn't Texan to me.Interesting.
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Interesting, I thought. Margo's husband Jed had a very
convincing accent and I was like, oh, is this guy actually
Southern? Actually, I'm going to look it
up. He always plays Zaddy.
He's just a silver fox. Yeah, OK.
Dermot Mulroney. His name is what?
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You heard me, Dermot Mulroney. Hey, that ain't Dermot Mulroney.
OK, he's from Alexandria, VA, sotechnically the South, not very
deep, but. Yeah, Virginia is the South.
There are pockets of Virginia that are like Virginia.
You know what I mean? Virginia, yeah, is where's
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Alexandria? Virginia.
Alexandria, VA Oh, no, it's in DC It's right on the border of
Maryland. OK, never mind.
I was thinking maybe it was likelike Western Virginia State, you
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know, like where Demon Copperhead is set.
But no, yeah, no, no. No, it ain't that.
Not deep, not that deep. Melon Ackerman is from
Stockholm, so. Yeah, I was wondering, OK, well,
that that explains the lack of text and accent, but I was
wondering why above her, the A in her name, there was like that
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circle thing in the credits thatexplains it.
She does look very Scandinavian.Yeah, I also felt like she
looked very brown or dark. I don't know.
I felt like the tanning was not right or like her hair color was
not right. I don't know.
Something about the tone was nottoning.
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Yeah, her hair color looked really weird.
I also think that was a wig. Yeah, I think it was too.
I'm trying to look up the the actor who plays Kyle, Margo's
brother. Yeah, I don't remember what
their last name was. Michael Aaron Milligan, and he
is from Texas. Wow.
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You know what, Ruchi? It was such a natural accent,
you didn't even notice it because it was so normal.
Honestly, that is probably what happened.
It's probably all the people notfrom Texas like over did this
southern accent and then Kyle orMichael Aaron Milligan is like,
I'm from Texas, my accent is a Texas accent and just did his
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plain old normal accent. And that's why I was like, what?
Yes. OK.
Anyway, OK, question for you, who do you think is the true
victim out of out of everything that?
Happened. You mean besides Abby?
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Besides Abby. Like who do you think I was
across the board besides you cansay start?
Yeah, I'll probably say Star. I mean, she didn't do anything
wrong and just yeah, like we said else on else man, she lost
her daughter, lost her life, lost money.
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Like she yeah, just very sad, very sad story.
Yeah, I I think Sophie's son, Jack.
Jack Yeah, I was across the. Board for Jack.
Oh, my God, For sure. Yeah.
That poor kid. I was thinking about this.
I was like, I wonder if when he grows up, he'll look back on
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this period of his life and be like, what the fuck was going
on? Like, first mom was out of the
house, then dad was out of the house and like, yeah, what?
Yeah. And then who knows how this is
all going to end. I don't know if it's going to
end in the book, but in the bookthey get divorced.
So like, it makes sense. I think they probably will get
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divorced in a very public divorce.
Oh my gosh, it's going to be crazy.
You poor Jack. He's like, all I want to do is
have pizza for. Dinner, you guys, you guys, and.
Then Speaking of Jack, there areso many scenes in like the first
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couple of episodes where Sophie is just hanging out with Margo
and she's like, oh, I like, like, what's his name?
Graham. Graham's going to pick me up at
7:00 or like, Graham's going to pick me up here and or I can't
stay. I can't stay.
And then she ends up staying until like, 4:00 AM or something
crazy, right? Why doesn't Graham just come and
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pick her on, like, and take her?Yeah, and take her back.
He's like, just call an Uber. That is your wife, dude.
How do you even know she's OK? Yeah, and.
He's like, I'm not going to stayup, take an Uber.
I was like, she's not your roommate.
She's. The mother of your child who has
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a drinking problem. Yes, OK, this is one thing I
hated about Graham. I There were several things I
didn't like. I also sympathized with him when
Sophie started being terrible. But one thing I didn't like was
that he encouraged her to be friends with all of these women
that clearly drink all the time and expected her to maintain her
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sobriety. That's so unfair.
So toxic, so toxic. At least like be there with her
and pack a fun drink for her. Here's the Trader Joe's Pink
Lemonade Juice that you can bring to your outings and it'll
be so fun for you to share what a good juice it is like.
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Here's some canned mocktails. Yeah, so like, obviously it's
not fair for him to be 100% sober just because she is going
to be 100% sober. But like he also didn't have to
be drinking every time they go out, like to someone's house and
stuff. Yeah, well, yeah, she was
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drinking too. So Yep.
Oh yeah, There were so many times where people would grab
Sophie's thigh and I'm like, stop grabbing her thighs.
Like it was Margot, then it was Graham, but it was Jed.
I was like, leave this poor woman's thighs alone.
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Grippable thighs. What can I say?
Oh man OK I had a couple different questions as well.
Don't you still need a license to buy a gun in Texas?
Or can you literally just like go to Walmart and buy a gun if
you're above the age of 2018? I don't know.
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I think you need a license. Does she not have a license?
I didn't think so because she was like, oh, I never had a gun
before. And then they just, like, bought
a gun. And then then she had a gun and
it was registered in her name. So there had to have been some
checks and balances. Yeah.
Oh, you mean a gun? License.
I meant a gun license, yeah. Oh, I don't know, maybe she
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registered for a gun license there as well.
I don't know. Do you get your guns and your
gun license at the same establishment at the same time?
Can you just go into a 711 and buy got Oh, wow, OK, OK, OK, OK.
So in Texas, a license to carry is no longer required for most
people to carry a handgun openlyor concealed in public places.
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However, there are still restrictions on our handguns
going to be carried and even with an LTC and some individuals
may not be eligible for an LTC. So to be eligible, you must be
at least 21 years old, meet specific federal and state
requirements for firearm purchase, and not have certain
criminal convictions or restrictions.
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But if Sophie had like a. Felony.
Yeah, felony then. All I'm saying is I just went to
the DMV today to legally register myself and it was
difficult. I'm not even trying to do
anything. I'm just trying to vote maybe.
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Vote and drive. OK.
I wonder if like, obviously thatis the law, but I feel like
there's a chance there are a lotof just stores that don't follow
the law and just we'll sell you a gun if you want a gun, but
then the gun was registered, so there's some sort of regulation.
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Yeah, there's some regulation also that gun place that was not
someone like opening their coat and giving you a gun, right?
It was a nice place, cases and everything.
So I, I would expect that of allplaces, that place would, would
be like, hey, we're going to runa background check before we
give you this gun and register it in your name.
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It's true. That is true.
OK, Also, maybe we can look thisup too.
I thought there was some sort ofrule that's like you can't get
the gun you buy for at least twoor three days or something.
Something about waiting and calming down so that people
don't buy guns and go on a shooting frenzy.
I think that is true, yeah. I don't know if Texas has that,
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but I have that. Oh yeah.
There's no state mandated periodwhen purchasing A handgun or law
gun. In Texas, I see.
Wow. Yeah, this is definitely
Republicans. Through the Democrat.
Gays, they're like, let's hit onall of these things.
(34:31):
Yeah, it was like the immigration, the racism, the
guns, just the hunting. Oh my God, it was too much.
Yeah, yeah, It was like. So much that I was like those
hacking Democrats over there. I start talking like.
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Those personas malas down acrossthe border.
That was pretty good. Thank you.
Yeah. Did you catch that?
In the beginning they were talking about Laura Bush, and
then they're like, oh, actually,did you know that Laura Bush
killed someone? Yeah.
Is that true? Yeah.
(35:17):
What? It was actually kind of a tragic
accident. So she apparently ran a stop
sign and ended up killing getting into an accident and
killing the driver, and the driver was like a 17 year old
boy. How sad.
Yeah, very sad, I don't think. She.
It was before she became Laura Bush.
(35:37):
Wow, it was. Yeah.
She detailed it in her memoir, Spoken from the Heart.
She was driving in Midland, TX, where she ran a stop sign and
collide with another car. The driver of the other car was
Michael Douglas, who is actuallyher close friend.
She happened to run into her ownfriend.
(35:58):
I think so. Oh my gosh, how sad.
Yeah, and that was two days after her 17th birthday.
So that was when she was actually Laura Welch.
Yeah, it was her classmate. Damn, how tragic.
Well anyway, OK, question about the tampon thing.
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So the show basically starts by Sophie walking on on Margo.
Margo's like, do you have a pet?And Sophie's like I have a
tampon and. Only Democrats use tampons.
First of all, I did think it wasa random weird Republican thing
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until the reveal, and so I didn't even question it.
So I thought that was very fun writing.
Second of all, why would Sophie have a tampon in her purse if
she had a full hysterectomy? Correct.
Yeah, maybe we can give her somegrace and say, oh, she probably
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like it's a force up habit that she just has one.
It's like it's just a thing thatgirls do, Shalini.
They just aren't there for each other and they just carry your
own tampons regardless of their own personal condition.
OK, you know what I must say, mymom, who has also had a full
hysterectomy, does carry tamponsaround just in case me or my
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sister need one. Maybe Sophie's carrying them
around just in case Jack needs one.
Probably How? Did Margo know it was Callie
that sent those blackmail photos?
She like clocked her saying I see you.
But I was like, people say that all the time, right?
(37:48):
Or did I miss something? I think yes, but I think it was
she was probably thinking, therehas to be someone who actually
knows me well enough to not likeimmediately take advantage of
the information that they have. And so maybe she was kind of
just waiting it out, but she didn't know who actually saw her
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and then went in the note. It was like, I see you.
And then that's why when Cali was like, oh, you know, I see
you, baby. And then she was like, it was
you. OK, All right.
My question was, whose baby was that?
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That star was babysitting. Oh, OK, it was Nina's right.
Or Nina's mom maybe. So Nina.
Nina is Abby's best friend, The brunette with bangs.
Sophie was like, oh, I thought this was Nina's house.
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And then at the time I was like,who's Nina?
But then when the whole like Pete Lightfoot thing happened, I
was like, oh, that's Nina. But when Sophie was like, oh, I
thought this was Nina's house star was like, oh, I'm
babysitting for her mom questionmark.
So I think it was Nina's baby sister.
Oh, OK, because I thought there was going to be some crazy plot
(39:14):
twist where it turns out that Nina's baby was actually Abby's
baby, who's actually Brad's baby.
Oh, that never got aborted. Yeah.
Or like Margo actually ended up having a baby and then like,
gave it to Abby to take care of.Although I don't know how she
would have gotten away with being pregnant.
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I didn't think that went through, but I thought there was
a twist coming where that baby was actually Brad's baby.
Oh, oh, I could totally see that.
But then, yeah, I guess it was just Nina's baby.
Just Nina's mom's baby, hopefully, and not Nina's baby.
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Yeah, I was confused because Star was like, oh, she's just
like Abby. Like Abby also used to be super
colicky when she was a child. And then I was like, oh, so
that's Abby's baby. And then?
I blacked out as him something Iguess.
Yeah, I think she was just like remembering what Abby was like
as a baby, regardless of whose baby she was currently watching
at the time. It wasn't like, oh, this baby
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takes after Abby. Yeah, yeah.
Did you know that Abby and baby are the same word if you just.
Oh, just thought I'd share that fun fact.
(40:39):
More interesting trivia you get here exclusively at Bingi app
Repeat. OK I have like a like other
random thoughts. Did you notice that Jill has a
mini Birkin? I did not notice the Birkin.
Where was that? She had a small one when they
were all signing the Ndas. And then Jill was like, Oh, no,
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I don't know if I want to sign this.
Let me let me back up my little Birkin.
She has like, yeah, a small. 10 OK, I did not notice that.
Yeah, Rich's fault. Damn, how these how these
bitches so rich? Yeah, they didn't.
They didn't really talk about that.
Yeah, like the sheriff and his wife.
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In what world is that a super rich couple also?
OK, so I guess the banks says he's an entrepreneur or
something, so he made a lot of money.
But then yeah. Sheriff family, why are they
rich? Pastor family, Why are they
rich? I think the implication was that
they are probably families with super old money, I guess a new
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money for from American standards, but still old money.
So they are just like these Texas families that have been
there forever. And so they just.
Are super rich OK generational wealth?
I I think so. That's what I'm believing.
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OK. Otherwise, there's too many
holes. OK, I think.
Why did Oh yeah, why did Callie kill Jill?
I think that really was because she thought Jill was going to
kill Margo. So she was being protective of
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Margo? I think so, yeah.
Why did you not think that? Yeah, I think it was just there
are these third points in the show sometimes where I'm just
like, everything is escalating for no reason.
Like there is no reason for you to be, you know, shooting
everyone and everything. Insight.
Same with when Pastor Pete killed himself.
(42:56):
I was like why? Yeah, there was that.
Also when Sophie runs over Kyle I was like girl, what?
Yeah. Why don't you just drive away?
What was he going to do like? Yeah, agreed.
There was no reason to kill him.I think even in the Pastor Pete
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situation, I feel like, I don't know, I feel like Pastor Pete
killing himself, it means that he acknowledges that he did
something irrevocably and irredeemably wrong.
And I don't think he would ever think that because he thinks
that he's such a good guy and that's why he keeps going after
these women and like trying to be their white knight.
(43:40):
That's so true. Like what would make him turn
around from literally kidnappinga girl one day to shooting
himself in the head? Yeah, that's so true.
That turn around makes no sense.Or maybe he was like, I would
rather be dead than go to jail for this or something.
But then he said, I'm sorry, I don't know.
Yeah, exactly. Like he said, he's sorry.
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He like knows what he did wrong and then just shoots himself.
And it's just like, don't, just don't kidnap women like.
It's very simple, Sir. Whites, it's actually really
easy to not kidnap women. Not kidnap girls.
Yes, you can actually even be friends with them.
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It's crazy. It's crazy you could simply just
not kidnap them. The Dems don't want you to know
that you can actually just be friends.
I thought I had thought of one more thing that I wanted to
think it was about Jill, was it?The fact that she was trimming
the hedges and she chopped off aflower.
(44:44):
I didn't notice that. Jill girl, what you doing?
I was like Dang, she angry. Oh.
My gosh, no, I did not notice that.
OK, well, one thing about her doesn't she look like maybe from
Arrested Development? Yes, I see that way.
Less freckles though. Yes, way less freckles.
(45:06):
If she had freckles that would literally be maybe.
Always be my baby, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what I was
going to say, just something around how she was like weirdly
in love with her son. Yeah, she was.
I was like, I don't know. I think the way that they
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presented the fact that Margo and Sophie had a relationship
was supposed to be, in a way, shocking.
Like, Oh my gosh, these two married women are having an
affair with each other. But then I was like, make Jill
kiss Brad. I dare you, do you coward.
The Dems don't want you to know.Oh, you.
(45:50):
Fucked up. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Also, OK. I thought there was just too
much raunchy sex. Like, I don't want to sound like
a prude, but so much of it was so unnecessary and it lasted so
(46:12):
long. Every time you're just like,
yeah, we get it, We get it. Yeah, lesbian.
Sex. Lesbians for the male gays,
that's. What it was?
I wish I that's what I was like,OK, if you're going to make
Margo actually lesbian and like have make her have an actual
(46:34):
relationship with Sophie, I wantto know more about that.
Like give me some more back story about how she actually is.
Or like maybe thought she was bisexual or she's actually
lesbian and that's why she's been having relationships with
women outside of her marriage with Jed.
Like, I wanted to there to be more of a storyline behind and
(46:55):
that, but then it just turned into like, Margo and Sophie kind
of having some hot and cold relationship where Margo's like,
I'm going to do this. And then Sophie's like, you
betrayed me. And then Margo's like, but I
love you. And then Sophie's like, OK.
And then Margo's does something else and Sophie's like, you
betrayed me again. I'll never trust you again.
(47:15):
And then Margo's like, trust me,babe.
And then Sophie's like, OK. It's just that over and over
again. Yeah, yeah.
I I didn't get enough depth of their relationship to even
believe why Sophie would love Margot.
Because from the outside feels like Margot's extremely toxic.
She's pushing drinks on Sophie, she's not respectful of Sophie's
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boundaries. Why would you love someone like
that, even if you are just physically attracted to them?
Totally. Also, don't you think the whole
show would have been exactly thesame if no one was a lesbian?
Yeah. It could have just become fast
friends, right? And like, it could have been
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kind of a toxic friendship whereshe's like kind of alert by her,
but like. Actually need the Dems don't
want you to know that you can just be friends with women, you
don't have to sexualize them andI'm justified it's crazy
especially attractive women your.
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Options are your options are lesbian relationship,
kidnapping, killing, killing. Exactly.
That's the only thing that you could do with attractive women.
Oh my gosh. Oh, and then the other thing
that annoyed me is while they were trying to figure out who
(48:41):
killed Abby Jackson, someone calls the police.
Not the sheriff, but one of the other officers.
And they were like, hey, it's me, your boy from across the
town. I've got an update on the gun
that was used in this robbery. And we think it's related to
your investigation. And then the guy gets distracted
(49:03):
and is like, I'll call you back later.
And I'm like, he has critical information on an active case
that is like nationwide right now.
You're going to hang up. On him.
Wait, when did that happen? I don't even remember that.
I forget even when he got distracted by, but he was like
in his office and he was on the phone with someone.
(49:24):
They're like, we've got an update and that turns out the
update was the gun. It was why they arrested Sophie
because the gun used and that robbery was the same gun that
killed Abby Jackson and it was registered to Sophie.
Oh, was this one that Lady came up to a bald police officer and
was like blah blah blah. Something about a gun.
(49:47):
Yeah, but he they had called earlier too, and we got that
they. Ignored the first call and then
it took this lady coming to him in person and being like blah
blah gun. Yeah, it was like an NPC
interaction almost. You know, when you're like when
you're like doing quests and then the NPC is like, hey, did
(50:07):
you check that cabinet behind the couch?
Something weird is over there and you're like, yeah, fuck you
NPC. And you go about and you like
break pots and whatever. And then the NPC is like, I
really think you should tuck behind that cupboard.
Something's glistening. It was like that.
(50:27):
I was like, stop doing your sidequests.
That is so accurate. That's so accurate.
Yeah. And we never saw that Lady ever
again. She what she her purpose?
Was fulfilled. She evaporated into the Oh my.
(50:48):
Gosh. Oh man, I wanted to go through
the final body count. Oh, OK, yeah, final body.
Count Body count. Abby Jackson.
Pastor Pete, Star Jackson RIP Jill, Kyle and Casey.
(51:08):
Crumble. Almost but no.
Almost. Salazar.
Almost but no. So yeah, 5 bodies.
Damn, you know how we were like in Sirens?
We were like, no one died in theshow, like so many people died.
This show and in Untamed, so many people are dying.
(51:30):
Oh yeah, all over the place. Maybe we can spend a little bit
more time on Graham. And just like their relationship
dynamic. How would you feel?
I guess how would you have actedsimilarly to Graham if you were
Sophie's husband? This like super traumatic thing
(51:50):
happened while she was drinking and driving.
Yeah. How would you deal with that as
as a spouse? We were forced to move to Texas.
Yes. I would absolutely not live in
the suburbs where we had to drive everywhere.
I would like live in the city where there is some form of
(52:11):
public transport somewhere. Yeah.
I'd be like. That's so fair.
Yeah. But like, do you think you would
let her drive or like, what? How would you handle that?
I think it's just like, yeah, it's up to her if she wants to
drive or not, right? Like if she's feeling like
driving is super traumatic, thenlike, yeah, don't drive.
(52:33):
Like it's it's all good. Like, yeah.
We got public transport on our left.
We got a little Tesla right here.
Waymo's coming to Austin. Maybe we should move there like
many options, but but also if she wants to drive then like,
yeah, of course. Dr. How do you feel?
Yeah, I don't know, Like, I think it's really complicated
(52:55):
because I well, yeah, I don't think I would force her not to
drive. But I don't know how I would
feel if my, let's say, husband, like, if he was drunk driving
and killed someone and how I would deal with that.
(53:15):
Like how I would want to help him set boundaries in his own
life. Does that mean telling him that
maybe he shouldn't drive for a while?
I also don't know how long it had been for Sophie.
I think 2 years is. What They said two years.
OK, that's like quite a lot of time.
But yeah, I don't know. I just don't know how I would
(53:37):
feel. And then how would I feel about
my husband potentially like, driving our kid around?
And, you know, like, just so many questions.
And especially when he started questioning if she's still sober
or not, That's scary. I don't know.
Yeah, that's a good point. I think driving the kid I think
(53:59):
is a big red flag. But I feel like if it's a matter
of driving yourself versus like Ubering everywhere, I think
that's and exploration like you're the other person, like
just has to do by themselves. Because I feel like the other
side of that is Sophie, probablySophie or this hypothetical
scenario, whatever your spouse is, probably feels so much guilt
(54:23):
and remorse overdoing this specific thing that I think, I
don't know, I like, I wouldn't want to burden them even more by
being like, you can't now, now that you've done this, you can't
do all these things. And here are all the ways in
which I don't trust you. I think that's like another
issue. Because then if it's like a
(54:44):
matter of trust, then that's OK.Well, you need to resolve that.
Yeah, yeah. Not via control.
Definitely, Yeah, yeah. And then how would you handle it
if you were Graham? Once Sophie was arrested for
murder or even the first time she's taken down to the station
(55:05):
because it was her gun that killed Abby Jackson.
And you're like, whoa, like my wife has a gun.
It was used in a murder. How would you?
How do you think you would reactto all of that?
I probably wouldn't, like, use the Yellow Pages and find the
first lawyer that's like, you know, I wouldn't phone it in and
(55:27):
like, just give them a random ass lawyer.
I would probably try to give them a lawyer that, you know,
actually is worth their salt. So I think that was a little bit
like, Graham, what the hell are you doing?
Do you want her to go to jail? Like, because that's how this is
going. I think the second thing is I
think that would result in a lotof lack of trust.
(55:49):
Yeah. And in terms of like, OK, you
said you said you weren't going to drive.
You're driving. You said you weren't going to
drink. You're drinking.
You said you hate guns and you were uncomfortable at an NRA
affiliated conference or whatever it was.
And now you own a gun and it's registered to you and it was
used as a murder weapon. Like, there is so much going on
(56:11):
here. There's like you are leading a
double life right now. Yeah, I was honestly surprised
he didn't, like, pick up and leave with with Jack.
Like, yeah, I was very surprised.
Obviously the first half of the show before the murder happens,
I was like, this dude sucks. Like he's always controlling his
wife. He always undermines her in
(56:32):
front of other people, just, youknow, backhanded compliments and
stuff. But then when all of this
happened, I was like, I'm kind of on Graham's side, to be
honest. Like, at least.
Yeah. Because I feel like he was the
only one thinking about their son.
Poor Jack. And Sylvia was, like, caught up
(56:53):
in her affair with Margo. She she's cheating on him.
She's drinking, she's driving. And he's the only one at that
point, I was like, yeah, I'm definitely on Graham's side.
He's still an asshole for how hewas treating her before.
But like, yeah, I was very sympathetic to him once all of
the shit started. Yeah, that's a fairpoint.
(57:14):
I mean, he did stick by her at the end of the day, so and he
did, he tried again with the second lawyer.
So I understand that. And he probably is trying to
have Jack's life as stable as possible and also not malign
Jack against the against Sophie or himself.
So yeah, I I agree. I think he did show up in ways
(57:39):
where we didn't expect him to show up, but I also feel like he
prioritized his job over Sophie and Jack a lot of the times.
Yeah, that's probably true. Just like moving them to that
city. Yeah.
Moving them to the first place. Well, even then I can kind of
see that how that would happen because he would be like,
(58:00):
Sophie, are you comfortable? Like it's been 2 years, like
past the accident. How about a fresh start?
A new start? Anus tart?
What have you seen the rest of development?
Oh yes, there's like a new. Yeah, there's like a license
plate that was like a new start,ANUSTART and a start.
(58:24):
Every time someone said a new start I was like and a start.
Lucille. Oh my God, I made a Lucille joke
the other day but no one around me had watched her as to
development. That's so.
Rude. I know what are we talking
about? Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah. So it's like I can imagine the
the conversation with Graham andSophie going like, Oh yeah, how
(58:46):
how about a new star anus? How about an anus * and we can
go to Texas and you know, put all of this behind us.
It's been 2 years. I think we're ready for a
change. And then she's like, yeah, I
think so. I think I'm ready.
And then they go and it's just terrible.
So. Yeah, wait, sorry, how did this?
(59:09):
What was this about? So I feel like I in that moment,
Graham did prioritize his job, but I can see why he moved the
family to Texas. Like I can see that conversation
happening from a good place. Got it.
OK. And then what other instances do
you think he prioritized his jobover Sophie and Jack?
(59:32):
In a bad way, just like every, every other action that he did
in this show. So like the the NRA convention
that was like geared towards Republicans.
Because I think what what happened?
I think like Sophie and Graham are probably liberals, right?
Yeah. OK, yeah.
So like that was prioritizing his job because he was like, oh,
my boss is like doing this. The going to the boss's house to
(59:58):
like, schmooze with them. Yeah, he knows that there would
be a lot of drinking. Yeah, just like everything else.
Like forcing her to hang out with Margo in spite of knowing
how much they drink. Yeah, yeah.
I agree not picking her up from Margo's place.
Yeah, then not picking her up iscrazy.
Like, why would you wait for her?
(01:00:19):
If you want her to be home and you have the power to bring her
home, why wouldn't you just bring her home?
Just do it man. Yeah, insane ratings.
Do you want to go first? Sure.
I would give this a 7.5 out of 10.
(01:00:41):
So high what? I OK, I guess I do my ratings
based on how much I enjoyed the process of watching the show,
you know, OK. And like, it was an enjoyable
process. Like I was hooked.
It was very hooking. OK, I, I was going to give it a
six. It's not that different.
(01:01:01):
I feel like we're normally within .5, but so that's what
1.5 feels large to me. I think I'm, I think I'm being
generous with the six. Wow should I go 7?
But I think I enjoyed it more than other shows I've rated A7.
(01:01:22):
Like I think 7 down to six turnsinto shows that I'm like ready
to end, but this one I was very hooked the whole time.
Yeah, OK, then I think that's, that's a fair assessment for
you, I think. Yeah, for me, I just like wasn't
hooked. I I think it was the, this whole
like, stereotypical stuff about like how Democrats and
Republicans see each other and like how men and women see each
(01:01:46):
other and how, like, gay and straight people see each other.
I'm like, so over it. I'm just like, we have spent so
much of human civilization talking about our differences
and like, we're finally in a place where all of this is not
that. It's not like crazy anymore,
right? It's not crazy to, like, see gay
(01:02:08):
people. Yeah, I think that's why I was
just like, Oh my God, It just feels so, so regressive.
And also I think in this political climate, I'm like, so
over the headlines that are talking about these topics.
And I don't know if that's me putting my head in the sand or
(01:02:29):
if it's just me being tired about things, but I'm just like,
I'm over it. That being said, I did get more
into it when they started talking about like the murder
specifics. It was just a part.
No, Yeah, you're so right. There were, there were a lot of
like very archetypal stereotypical things that like
(01:02:52):
don't need to be enforced in this day and age.
You're right. OK.
I think I'll lower to A7 becauseit was still not lower though,
because yeah, I do think the show should lose points for
doing that. And this very performative
(01:03:12):
lesbian stuff I really didn't like.
Give us a lesbian love story butdon't give us this fake ass
straight women who are like getting off on doing each other.
Yeah. And like, just suddenly they
have a relationship and they love each other because they're
physically attracted to each other, like.
Out of nowhere. And not even gay relationships
(01:03:34):
like that doesn't give any relationship a good name.
That's just like bad writing. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Down to A7.
Nice, let's talk more. I'll get you down to a 6.5 and
here's why I think it should be low.
Oh no, she's still going. Oh, she's dragging me down.
(01:03:57):
No, that's it. OK, great.
Are you wait a question, are yougoing to watch season 2 when it
comes out? I'll for sure watch season 2.
I'll. Watch it if you make me.
Yappers, if you want Ruchi to watch season 2, let us know.
(01:04:19):
That should be the pull on the on the Spotify.
Should reach Should Ruchi watch season 2?
Make me watch season 2. You won't if this episode gets
50,000 likes. Oh, OK, OK, OK.
I will watch the Hunting Wives season 2.
(01:04:41):
Yappers you got to pull together.
You won't. You won't.
Binge in progress. OK, I finished a book, but I
forgot the title. OK, I have the title.
(01:05:04):
Yeah. OK, so for Binge in Progress, I
recently finished this book thatIzzy podcast host Izzy got me
for Christmas like two or three years ago.
I finally finished it. So the book is called the Cat
Who Saved Books and it's a very cute, it was a very like
(01:05:27):
calming, peaceful read. And I was reading it before bed
and I finished it and it was a really nice book.
Oh. I think if there was like a
Miyazaki film adaptation of it, it would be it would be a hit.
OK, cute. OK, sorry, I'm moving some stuff
around because I want to show you my binge in progress.
(01:05:54):
OK, my binge in progress is thisbook Great Big Beautiful Life by
Emily Henry. It's her new book.
It's in Reese's Book Club. Look at the two of us having
binge in progress books. I know this is so unlike us so.
Unlike us. But yeah, the books pretty good.
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I usually like Emily Henry's books, but I'm like a little, I
don't know, a little too jaded for her style of romance books.
But this one's really cute and has a interesting like back
story or that it flashes back between different decades and
the the previous like the past is very interesting.
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Oh, is it like like past lives kind of thing?
I would say it's kind of like Evelyn Hugo.
The love story is about like this, the main character and
this guy who are competing over the rights to write the
biography of this woman, and they're both interviewing the
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woman about her life. And so her life is very
interesting. Is it a gay love story?
No, unlike Evelyn Hugo, it is not a gay love story.
At least so far. I'm only this much through it
so. It's like halfway.
Yeah, so I'm not gay yet. There's still a chance.
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There's still time. That reminds me, I think there
is one book called Red, White, red, white and Blue that is like
a red, white, oh and blue romance.
Oh Red, White and Royal Blue is an LGBT romance novel by Casey
Mcquiston that apparently had really good reviews and was I
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think translated into some TV series, Amazon Prime or
something. Anyway, yeah, cool.
If this post gets 69. If this post gets 2 likes I'll
read Red, white, and Royal. 1/2 right here.
Let us know if you've read Red, white and Royal Blue.
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Or great Big beautiful life. Or the Cat Who saved books.
Oh yeah, yeah, that one's so cute.
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Hey yappers, welcome back to Binge Yap Repeat.
Today we discuss The Hunting Wives on Netflix, we yap all
about some confusing plot holes from the night of Abby's murder,
we educate each other on some ofthe gun laws in Texas, and we
dissect the parts of the show that were straight up
unnecessary, like the entire abortion plot line.
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Did we love to hate the show or hate to love it?
Find out right now. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.
And I'm Shalini and we're your hosts.
A binge, yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
an embarrassing amount of time binge watching TV, and honestly,
we just need to talk about it. If you're here, we're guessing
you do too. Fair warning.
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This is a spoiler friendly zone.We will be discussing lots of
spoilers, so if you haven't watched the show yet, pause, go
binge and come back when you're ready to yap with us.
And now it's yap time. What's up yappers?
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Shalini, you ever been hunting? I ain't never been hunting.
I ain't never been no wife. Then you ain't never been no
hunting wife. So today we'll be talking about
Department Cute, Yes, Today yappers will be discussing
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hunting wives. Excuse.
Me, it is the hunting wives. So I'm so sorry.
OK, All right, So the premise ofthe hunting wives is Sophie, who
is played by Brittany Snow tradecity life for East Texas and
falls into a wealthy socialite. Margo played by Mallon Ackerman
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a wealthy socialites magnetic orbit where a clique of
housewives hide deadly secrets. The hunting wives premiered on
Netflix on July 21st 2025 and it's based on a book by Mae
Cobb. So there are so many things I
want to talk about, including differences between the book and
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the show the ending what crazy, but I'll just hand it over to
utility for your overall facts. All right, my.
OTS I thought this show was a perfect shitty summer binge, you
know what I mean? It had it all.
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It had rich people with crazy secret lives.
It had murder. It had a.
Lesbians. It had a lesbians.
Yeah, You know, it really had itall.
So it was very a very strange premise, but I enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed it in the way that I enjoy shitty TV.
Like I enjoyed it so much more than I enjoy higher quality
television sometimes just because it was so bingeable and
I was so into it, but not because it was high quality TV,
if that makes sense. Yeah.
Oh yeah, that does make sense. So was it, was it like a good
background show for you then? Is that what it was or were you
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still like in it? I guess I was in it.
I think if we didn't have this podcast, I maybe would have
treated it as a background show.But I wanted to come with a good
discussion. So I was in it and I really took
my time because usually I feel like the shows we cover, they
come out on Thursday or Friday and then we have the weekend to
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watch it. But this show came out last
Monday and so we had a whole week to watch it.
And so I think the relaxed cadence of watching also helped
me like, really absorb the show.I think, I think for me, it took
me a little bit to get into it. So I think while I was watching
the show, I was messaging Shelly.
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I was like, this feels like lesbians for the male gays.
And then I was like, actually, it feels like Republicans for
the Democrat gays. So weird.
It's like a combination of thosetwo.
And I was like, why are these like, why is it like so
stereotypical right now? And so I kind of like, wasn't
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really into it. But then I, I think when all of
like, the murder stuff started happening and then it was like a
whodunit, then I was locked in. I was like, OK, now it's getting
interesting. Can't wait to see how this plays
out. Nice.
OK, Speaking of the murder, whendid you start to think that the
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murdered person was not Sophie? Oh, actually I wrote this down.
I think it was something like episode 2 or something when Abby
started talking to Jill, or likemaybe when she started talking
to Pastor P about things. I was like, oh, OK, so Adam's
going to get Got. Yeah, I, it was also pretty
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early on for me, I think. Yeah, I was watching.
Oh, it must have been during episode 1, though, because I
only watched one episode with mysister.
And at the end I was like, you know, they've never shown the
dead person's face. So do you think it's not Sophie?
And then my sister was like, oh,maybe it's Abby.
And I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah, I think, I think like
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while watching the show, I was like, I feel like it's not
Sophie, but also I don't know who else is blonde in the show.
And then yeah, I it's, yeah, I probably should have put that
together a lot earlier. I mean, whether she was dressed
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too right was like very young. Yes, it was very young.
I did clock that. I was like, oh, that's not
really how Sophie's been dressing.
And so the the outfit was very memorable.
And so then when I saw Abby in the outfit, I was like, oh, so
it's her. Yeah.
I feel like they should have puther in something like less
conspicuous. You know how in White Lotus,
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like, you literally can't tell anything about the dead body?
Anything You could you just see their, their heel, like,
floating above the water or something.
So it could be anyone. I feel like they should have
done something a little more like that where you really
couldn't tell, but whatever. Yeah, I think they had really, I
think they were really banking on the blonde hair, and then
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they forgot about the outfit maybe.
Yeah, there's only, like one person who really fits that
bill. But she does get killed
basically halfway through this the show.
So it's not like a like White Lotus, right?
The last episode is like, who could it be?
But then in this show, it was like, OK, it's Abby now let's
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figure out what the aftermath is.
Very true, very true. So Speaking of the aftermath, I
was a little pissed off at the ending because, yeah, because I
felt like there was so much, there's so much lead up and fall
out as a result of, oh, who killed Abby Jackson?
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Like, who is it going to be? Who is taking the fall?
Who's getting set up? Who's getting framed?
And then when she just dumps theguy Kyle over a Cliff, I was
like like, I was like, there better be a season 2.
I know. It was so confusing.
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I, yeah, as it as the show is finishing, I was like, wait,
that's it. They're not going to go back to
the Abby Jackson murder. Like, she's not going to turn
her in to the police. What's going to happen?
I wonder if what we're supposed to get from that was that, oh,
now Sophie's hiding from the police so she's never going to
turn Margo in or something. Sophie is hiding from the
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police. Oh, yes, OK, yes, I.
Think so they're both just goingto get away with it or
something. Yeah, like they both have
skeletons in the closet now and they both have a reason to cover
for each other. Ish.
I don't know. Do you think Margot could tell
that was Sophie breathing on thephone?
I don't know. I thought that she was going to
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say her name, but then she me too and I was like, what?
The way you pant over this phoneis the same way you pant in the
bedroom, Sophie. During our lesbian the sex.
Oh my God. OK, so this is a good segue to
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oh, actually, so I did confirm there will be a second season.
Oh yes, but you know, question mark, who knows what the
economic climate will be. So anyway, so the differences
between the book and the series,so The Hunting Wives is based on
a book by May Cobb. There are some minor differences
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and there are also some major differences.
So minor difference. She's from Cambridge in the
series, but in the book she's from Chicago.
I don't know why they made that change.
So arbitrary. So arbitrary.
I want to say that they probablydid that to like put some kind
of like political spin on it. I don't know, Chicago's so
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liberal. Maybe they did that so that they
could paint Graham as this like,perfect Harvard boy, because it
doesn't hit the same if he's a perfect you Chicago boy, you
know? That's fair.
Like maybe highlighting the differences between like
Democrat elitism versus like Republican elitism, I guess.
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Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Could be OK, and then here are
some of the major changes. OK.
In the novel, it is Jill who kills Abby because she thought
Abby was holding her son Brad back.
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And it's revealed in the book that Abby was actually pregnant
with Brad's son. So that's why Jill kills Abby.
She's like, crazy. Yeah.
Cuz. So she's like, oh, Brad has to
get into Baylor. How does she have access to
Sophie's gun? I don't know if she killed Abby
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with Sophie's gun. Interesting.
OK in the same vein Jill also also this is all from
collider.com some like random article that talks about the
differences between the show andthe book.
So the other difference is that Jill also kills Margot in the
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book. What because she finds out about
her and Brad having an affair. So the the whole story of the
book is like this. Is the mother's protective
instinct gone wrong? What?
Interesting. OK so Margo dies after Jill
finds out that Margo and Brad were sleeping together.
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Yes. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. So yeah, by the end of the
novel, Margo is dead, Jill is injail, Hallie and Star are still
alive, and there is a 2 month flash forward where Sophie is
divorced and like out of Texas. Whoa, those are.
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That is very different. Very different.
Why did they kill Star? In the show.
In the show. I have no idea.
I felt I was like Horse Star. She's gone through so much and
she's just, she really got the short end of the stick in the
show. Yeah, Elves on elves, man, Yeah.
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And like, financially, emotionally, physically.
Dude, no doubts for Star. Like the Caltech basketball
team, Just elves across the board.
OK, let me see. What else is the change?
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OK. I think those are like the major
changes. But, yeah, that's like pretty
big change. And so I think what they were
trying to do is maybe they were like, oh, if you've read the
book, then you know that Jill isthe murderer.
So we're going to just change itentirely and make Jill a red
herring and then kill Jill off? Kill Jill, Volume 1.
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That's what they should have named the show.
OK, wow, that, yeah, that definitely changes a lot.
When did you, I guess, who did you think was the murderer?
And did you suspect Margo at all?
Yeah, I did. I think I suspected her.
And then it reached a height andthen I was like, oh, maybe she's
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not. And then it came back down
again. But the the height of my suspect
was when Margo was going around being like, oh, like, but
there's no reason to suspect your mom, Brad, unless.
And I was like, what do you like?
What is that like? That's so manipulative.
And she did that like twice. So I was like, OK, that's highly
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suspect, Margot. Yeah, yeah I OK, I must admit.
So I was Googling Abby Jackson because I wanted to see if I had
seen the actress in anything else.
But then one of the 1st results was like why did Margot kill
Abby? And I was like, wait, Oh my God,
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yeah, rookie mistake, rookie mistake.
But then. But then I really second guessed
myself and probably ended up thinking about who else could
have killed Abby more than I would have if I hadn't read
that. Because I was like, did I?
Read that right. I feel like it could be Pete.
I feel like it could be Jill. And then, yeah, so I thought
about it a lot, but I guess I was definitely tainted by what I
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had read. I also thought, like, I didn't
even think she needed that abortion plot to for, for a
motive. Like I thought the motive was
clear that Abby. Yeah, I thought the motive was
clear that Abby knew about the divorce or sorry, knew about the
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affair and so she was going to tell Margo's husband or
whatever. And Margo was like, we can't
have that and then killed her. So I yeah.
So the IT was interesting that the abortion was like the big
reveal. OK, yeah, that is a that's a way
more reasonable plot line. And I also was a little bit
confused about the abortion because, yeah, I think it was
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like revealed that she had an abortion, but then what did that
materially mean? Like how did that change the
plot? Yeah, I don't know, because I
think, OK, Order of events was Margot has abortion of Brad's
baby. Brad confides in Peter Pete
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Lightfoot about the abortion, doesn't say who.
Pete assumes it's Abby, goes andberates Abby for doing this.
Abby puts two and two together, and it's like if Brad was
talking about a girlfriend's abortion and it wasn't me, it
must be this bitch. And then she goes looking for
her in the woods. And then that's when Margot
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finds her. But did Abby ever know that?
Oh, Abby did know about the abortion?
Because Pastor Pete told her that.
Brad told him. And she was like, what?
And that's how she knew. But then she called Jill
beforehand and was like, oh, your son's been impregnating
your friends? Yeah.
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And then I don't know how she goes into the woods and then
Margo finds her in the woods. Yeah, I don't know how Margo
finds her. And why Sophie there?
Yeah, and we didn't get an answer to that either, right?
We had like, we had video cameraproof that Sophie and Abby saw
each other in the woods, but then we didn't get any
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resolution to that, right? We just like, we don't know how
or why. We just know that she was in the
woods at that time. Yeah, and we don't know what
they were talking about. If Brad and Jamie knew that they
were all out there. I guess that was after Brad and
Jamie drove home. But they didn't drive home,
right? They like drove around the lake
or something and then went to the party.
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It was they. Did go to the party.
I don't remember. OK, OK, but in any Case, No
explanation for why Margot and Sophie decided to go into the
woods and happened upon Abby, orhow Margot thought to bring
Sophie's gun to the woods. Yeah, I also don't know about
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that. Like why can't you just take her
own gun? Also how?
Did she even think to bring a gun?
Because like, how did she know Abby was going to be there?
Yeah, maybe this is all things that they've left kind of as a
question mark for the second season.
Maybe. Yeah.
Sure, we'll give it to them. I guess.
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I guess. The other thing?
Oh yeah, going back to Pastor Pete, red flag from the
beginning. Seriously, I was like, this
dude's a creep. I clocked it so fast.
The literal instant that he showed up on the screen, I was
like youth pastor in a beanie playing a guitar in church.
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Red flag. Yeah.
Absolutely. Glad he was part of the body
cow. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm glad he died.
Also I liked that he played a role in Abby's story in people
realizing what happened to Abby even though he wasn't the
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killer. Yeah.
He was still integral to the plot, he wasn't just like a
random red herring. Untamed, take notes.
Seriously. Yeah, I agree with that.
And I also agree that or I also like that it came back-to-back
to Casey Crumble in the end being like, oh shit, like it's
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Casey Crumble now she's fine andwe found her and everything's
good. I was like, oh, great.
Yeah, yeah. I also forgot about Casey
Crumble at first. I was like, oh.
Yeah, same. Yeah.
Because I was like, wait, Salazar how?
And like how do I know this person?
And then they showed her and I was like, oh wow, that must have
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been like episode 1. Like a random one off scene came
out of nowhere. But I kept forgetting about
Casey Crummell. OK, also, Speaking of Salazar
and Casey Crummell, this was onething I took issue with.
Well, I took issue with a lot ofthings in the show on like
gender roles and stuff. But one thing I particularly,
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one thing that particularly bugged me was how after she
found Casey Crummell in that trailer thing, she like hugged
her to her chest and burst into tears.
I was like, they would never show a man bursting into tears
after solving the case. You know, that's a good point.
Why are they making her look so emotional like?
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I don't know, maybe it's, it's good that they showed someone
being emotional about solving a case that has been haunting
them. But I was like, I just hate that
they made her a woman that was crying after doing her job well,
you know? Yeah, I see what you mean.
I think I my response to that was I was really happy for
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Salazar because also she wasn't technically a police officer.
She was like, she had basically risked her life trying to solve
this case. And she came so, so close and
like, as a result was off the force, still didn't catch the
guy. And it's now plaguing her.
And there's some teenager that'sgone missing.
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And all of this is riding on her.
And she finds Casey crumble. And she knows that it's Pastor
Pete. And so I feel like it's such a
big burden that's relieved from her brain that she can finally,
like, get on the, like, get on the force again and she can
finally live her life again because she doesn't have this
dark cloud like going after her,I guess.
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Yeah. I understand that.
I think like there's, there's been so many procedurals that
we've seen that are just like, yeah, after they crack this like
15 year old case, no man is like, my God, finally they're
just like on to the next one. Yeah, cattle, Cattle.
That was a department key reference for those of you who
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haven't seen it. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Well, so OK, question for you.
Did you, did you believe Margo? Like did you like Margo as a
character? Because I felt like there are
times where I felt like, as the audience, I should really like
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Margot, but I just didn't feel that attachment towards her.
Yeah, I don't think I felt attachment towards her at all.
It might be just because of whatI've seen Malin Ackerman in
previously. What have you seen her in?
27 dresses and billions. Exactly.
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Yes, we're in 27 dresses. She's like the least sympathetic
character ever and just bulldozes through her sister's
life and takes everything without giving it a second
thought. So that might have been a reason
why I also like something. I think her Texas accent.
I don't know. Well, Texans, Texan yappers,
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tell me what you think, but I thought her Texan accent was by
far the worst one out of everyone.
So it just like kept taking me out.
And she's supposed to be, like, the most deep Texan out of all
of them. So that also kept taking me out.
And so it just like, gave this air of like, she's posing, which
she was, but just like, not in the way that I kept thinking
about. So, yeah, I do think we were
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supposed to feel something for her, having a harrowing
childhood and stuff. But I was just like, I don't
know. Yeah.
I did not feel sympathetic for her.
Yeah, I felt like a lot of her lines were delivered were just
very inauthentic to me. I just, I couldn't believe it.
Speaking of Texas accents, why didn't Kyle have one?
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The brother, yeah, did he not? Not really, I said.
It was like, definitely. I don't think he really had one.
And if he did have one, it was very different from Malan
Ackerman's Texas. Accents.
Interesting. OK.
I don't think I even clocked that.
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I wonder. Yeah.
I feel like he just had a normalaccent because I remember.
Being like a normal American accent.
I think so. Or like maybe barely.
Maybe it was Floridian. Maybe that's why I was blind to
it. It's like, yeah, I don't know.
It just like wasn't Texan to me.Interesting.
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Interesting, I thought. Margo's husband Jed had a very
convincing accent and I was like, oh, is this guy actually
Southern? Actually, I'm going to look it
up. He always plays Zaddy.
He's just a silver fox. Yeah, OK.
Dermot Mulroney. His name is what?
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You heard me, Dermot Mulroney. Hey, that ain't Dermot Mulroney.
OK, he's from Alexandria, VA, sotechnically the South, not very
deep, but. Yeah, Virginia is the South.
There are pockets of Virginia that are like Virginia.
You know what I mean? Virginia, yeah, is where's
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Alexandria? Virginia.
Alexandria, VA Oh, no, it's in DC It's right on the border of
Maryland. OK, never mind.
I was thinking maybe it was likelike Western Virginia State, you
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know, like where Demon Copperhead is set.
But no, yeah, no, no. No, it ain't that.
Not deep, not that deep. Melon Ackerman is from
Stockholm, so. Yeah, I was wondering, OK, well,
that that explains the lack of text and accent, but I was
wondering why above her, the A in her name, there was like that
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circle thing in the credits thatexplains it.
She does look very Scandinavian.Yeah, I also felt like she
looked very brown or dark. I don't know.
I felt like the tanning was not right or like her hair color was
not right. I don't know.
Something about the tone was nottoning.
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Yeah, her hair color looked really weird.
I also think that was a wig. Yeah, I think it was too.
I'm trying to look up the the actor who plays Kyle, Margo's
brother. Yeah, I don't remember what
their last name was. Michael Aaron Milligan, and he
is from Texas. Wow.
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You know what, Ruchi? It was such a natural accent,
you didn't even notice it because it was so normal.
Honestly, that is probably what happened.
It's probably all the people notfrom Texas like over did this
southern accent and then Kyle orMichael Aaron Milligan is like,
I'm from Texas, my accent is a Texas accent and just did his
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plain old normal accent. And that's why I was like, what?
Yes. OK.
Anyway, OK, question for you, who do you think is the true
victim out of out of everything that?
Happened. You mean besides Abby?
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Besides Abby. Like who do you think I was
across the board besides you cansay start?
Yeah, I'll probably say Star. I mean, she didn't do anything
wrong and just yeah, like we said else on else man, she lost
her daughter, lost her life, lost money.
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Like she yeah, just very sad, very sad story.
Yeah, I I think Sophie's son, Jack.
Jack Yeah, I was across the. Board for Jack.
Oh, my God, For sure. Yeah.
That poor kid. I was thinking about this.
I was like, I wonder if when he grows up, he'll look back on
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this period of his life and be like, what the fuck was going
on? Like, first mom was out of the
house, then dad was out of the house and like, yeah, what?
Yeah. And then who knows how this is
all going to end. I don't know if it's going to
end in the book, but in the bookthey get divorced.
So like, it makes sense. I think they probably will get
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divorced in a very public divorce.
Oh my gosh, it's going to be crazy.
You poor Jack. He's like, all I want to do is
have pizza for. Dinner, you guys, you guys, and.
Then Speaking of Jack, there areso many scenes in like the first
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couple of episodes where Sophie is just hanging out with Margo
and she's like, oh, I like, like, what's his name?
Graham. Graham's going to pick me up at
7:00 or like, Graham's going to pick me up here and or I can't
stay. I can't stay.
And then she ends up staying until like, 4:00 AM or something
crazy, right? Why doesn't Graham just come and
(29:14):
pick her on, like, and take her?Yeah, and take her back.
He's like, just call an Uber. That is your wife, dude.
How do you even know she's OK? Yeah, and.
He's like, I'm not going to stayup, take an Uber.
I was like, she's not your roommate.
She's. The mother of your child who has
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a drinking problem. Yes, OK, this is one thing I
hated about Graham. I There were several things I
didn't like. I also sympathized with him when
Sophie started being terrible. But one thing I didn't like was
that he encouraged her to be friends with all of these women
that clearly drink all the time and expected her to maintain her
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sobriety. That's so unfair.
So toxic, so toxic. At least like be there with her
and pack a fun drink for her. Here's the Trader Joe's Pink
Lemonade Juice that you can bring to your outings and it'll
be so fun for you to share what a good juice it is like.
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Here's some canned mocktails. Yeah, so like, obviously it's
not fair for him to be 100% sober just because she is going
to be 100% sober. But like he also didn't have to
be drinking every time they go out, like to someone's house and
stuff. Yeah, well, yeah, she was
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drinking too. So Yep.
Oh yeah, There were so many times where people would grab
Sophie's thigh and I'm like, stop grabbing her thighs.
Like it was Margot, then it was Graham, but it was Jed.
I was like, leave this poor woman's thighs alone.
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Grippable thighs. What can I say?
Oh man OK I had a couple different questions as well.
Don't you still need a license to buy a gun in Texas?
Or can you literally just like go to Walmart and buy a gun if
you're above the age of 2018? I don't know.
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I think you need a license. Does she not have a license?
I didn't think so because she was like, oh, I never had a gun
before. And then they just, like, bought
a gun. And then then she had a gun and
it was registered in her name. So there had to have been some
checks and balances. Yeah.
Oh, you mean a gun? License.
I meant a gun license, yeah. Oh, I don't know, maybe she
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registered for a gun license there as well.
I don't know. Do you get your guns and your
gun license at the same establishment at the same time?
Can you just go into a 711 and buy got Oh, wow, OK, OK, OK, OK.
So in Texas, a license to carry is no longer required for most
people to carry a handgun openlyor concealed in public places.
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However, there are still restrictions on our handguns
going to be carried and even with an LTC and some individuals
may not be eligible for an LTC. So to be eligible, you must be
at least 21 years old, meet specific federal and state
requirements for firearm purchase, and not have certain
criminal convictions or restrictions.
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But if Sophie had like a. Felony.
Yeah, felony then. All I'm saying is I just went to
the DMV today to legally register myself and it was
difficult. I'm not even trying to do
anything. I'm just trying to vote maybe.
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Vote and drive. OK.
I wonder if like, obviously thatis the law, but I feel like
there's a chance there are a lotof just stores that don't follow
the law and just we'll sell you a gun if you want a gun, but
then the gun was registered, so there's some sort of regulation.
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Yeah, there's some regulation also that gun place that was not
someone like opening their coat and giving you a gun, right?
It was a nice place, cases and everything.
So I, I would expect that of allplaces, that place would, would
be like, hey, we're going to runa background check before we
give you this gun and register it in your name.
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It's true. That is true.
OK, Also, maybe we can look thisup too.
I thought there was some sort ofrule that's like you can't get
the gun you buy for at least twoor three days or something.
Something about waiting and calming down so that people
don't buy guns and go on a shooting frenzy.
I think that is true, yeah. I don't know if Texas has that,
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but I have that. Oh yeah.
There's no state mandated periodwhen purchasing A handgun or law
gun. In Texas, I see.
Wow. Yeah, this is definitely
Republicans. Through the Democrat.
Gays, they're like, let's hit onall of these things.
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Yeah, it was like the immigration, the racism, the
guns, just the hunting. Oh my God, it was too much.
Yeah, yeah, It was like. So much that I was like those
hacking Democrats over there. I start talking like.
(34:55):
Those personas malas down acrossthe border.
That was pretty good. Thank you.
Yeah. Did you catch that?
In the beginning they were talking about Laura Bush, and
then they're like, oh, actually,did you know that Laura Bush
killed someone? Yeah.
Is that true? Yeah.
(35:17):
What? It was actually kind of a tragic
accident. So she apparently ran a stop
sign and ended up killing getting into an accident and
killing the driver, and the driver was like a 17 year old
boy. How sad.
Yeah, very sad, I don't think. She.
It was before she became Laura Bush.
(35:37):
Wow, it was. Yeah.
She detailed it in her memoir, Spoken from the Heart.
She was driving in Midland, TX, where she ran a stop sign and
collide with another car. The driver of the other car was
Michael Douglas, who is actuallyher close friend.
She happened to run into her ownfriend.
(35:58):
I think so. Oh my gosh, how sad.
Yeah, and that was two days after her 17th birthday.
So that was when she was actually Laura Welch.
Yeah, it was her classmate. Damn, how tragic.
Well anyway, OK, question about the tampon thing.
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So the show basically starts by Sophie walking on on Margo.
Margo's like, do you have a pet?And Sophie's like I have a
tampon and. Only Democrats use tampons.
First of all, I did think it wasa random weird Republican thing
(36:43):
until the reveal, and so I didn't even question it.
So I thought that was very fun writing.
Second of all, why would Sophie have a tampon in her purse if
she had a full hysterectomy? Correct.
Yeah, maybe we can give her somegrace and say, oh, she probably
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like it's a force up habit that she just has one.
It's like it's just a thing thatgirls do, Shalini.
They just aren't there for each other and they just carry your
own tampons regardless of their own personal condition.
OK, you know what I must say, mymom, who has also had a full
hysterectomy, does carry tamponsaround just in case me or my
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sister need one. Maybe Sophie's carrying them
around just in case Jack needs one.
Probably How? Did Margo know it was Callie
that sent those blackmail photos?
She like clocked her saying I see you.
But I was like, people say that all the time, right?
(37:48):
Or did I miss something? I think yes, but I think it was
she was probably thinking, therehas to be someone who actually
knows me well enough to not likeimmediately take advantage of
the information that they have. And so maybe she was kind of
just waiting it out, but she didn't know who actually saw her
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and then went in the note. It was like, I see you.
And then that's why when Cali was like, oh, you know, I see
you, baby. And then she was like, it was
you. OK, All right.
My question was, whose baby was that?
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That star was babysitting. Oh, OK, it was Nina's right.
Or Nina's mom maybe. So Nina.
Nina is Abby's best friend, The brunette with bangs.
Sophie was like, oh, I thought this was Nina's house.
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And then at the time I was like,who's Nina?
But then when the whole like Pete Lightfoot thing happened, I
was like, oh, that's Nina. But when Sophie was like, oh, I
thought this was Nina's house star was like, oh, I'm
babysitting for her mom questionmark.
So I think it was Nina's baby sister.
Oh, OK, because I thought there was going to be some crazy plot
(39:14):
twist where it turns out that Nina's baby was actually Abby's
baby, who's actually Brad's baby.
Oh, that never got aborted. Yeah.
Or like Margo actually ended up having a baby and then like,
gave it to Abby to take care of.Although I don't know how she
would have gotten away with being pregnant.
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I didn't think that went through, but I thought there was
a twist coming where that baby was actually Brad's baby.
Oh, oh, I could totally see that.
But then, yeah, I guess it was just Nina's baby.
Just Nina's mom's baby, hopefully, and not Nina's baby.
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Yeah, I was confused because Star was like, oh, she's just
like Abby. Like Abby also used to be super
colicky when she was a child. And then I was like, oh, so
that's Abby's baby. And then?
I blacked out as him something Iguess.
Yeah, I think she was just like remembering what Abby was like
as a baby, regardless of whose baby she was currently watching
at the time. It wasn't like, oh, this baby
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takes after Abby. Yeah, yeah.
Did you know that Abby and baby are the same word if you just.
Oh, just thought I'd share that fun fact.
(40:39):
More interesting trivia you get here exclusively at Bingi app
Repeat. OK I have like a like other
random thoughts. Did you notice that Jill has a
mini Birkin? I did not notice the Birkin.
Where was that? She had a small one when they
were all signing the Ndas. And then Jill was like, Oh, no,
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I don't know if I want to sign this.
Let me let me back up my little Birkin.
She has like, yeah, a small. 10 OK, I did not notice that.
Yeah, Rich's fault. Damn, how these how these
bitches so rich? Yeah, they didn't.
They didn't really talk about that.
Yeah, like the sheriff and his wife.
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In what world is that a super rich couple also?
OK, so I guess the banks says he's an entrepreneur or
something, so he made a lot of money.
But then yeah. Sheriff family, why are they
rich? Pastor family, Why are they
rich? I think the implication was that
they are probably families with super old money, I guess a new
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money for from American standards, but still old money.
So they are just like these Texas families that have been
there forever. And so they just.
Are super rich OK generational wealth?
I I think so. That's what I'm believing.
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OK. Otherwise, there's too many
holes. OK, I think.
Why did Oh yeah, why did Callie kill Jill?
I think that really was because she thought Jill was going to
kill Margo. So she was being protective of
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Margo? I think so, yeah.
Why did you not think that? Yeah, I think it was just there
are these third points in the show sometimes where I'm just
like, everything is escalating for no reason.
Like there is no reason for you to be, you know, shooting
everyone and everything. Insight.
Same with when Pastor Pete killed himself.
(42:56):
I was like why? Yeah, there was that.
Also when Sophie runs over Kyle I was like girl, what?
Yeah. Why don't you just drive away?
What was he going to do like? Yeah, agreed.
There was no reason to kill him.I think even in the Pastor Pete
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situation, I feel like, I don't know, I feel like Pastor Pete
killing himself, it means that he acknowledges that he did
something irrevocably and irredeemably wrong.
And I don't think he would ever think that because he thinks
that he's such a good guy and that's why he keeps going after
these women and like trying to be their white knight.
(43:40):
That's so true. Like what would make him turn
around from literally kidnappinga girl one day to shooting
himself in the head? Yeah, that's so true.
That turn around makes no sense.Or maybe he was like, I would
rather be dead than go to jail for this or something.
But then he said, I'm sorry, I don't know.
Yeah, exactly. Like he said, he's sorry.
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He like knows what he did wrong and then just shoots himself.
And it's just like, don't, just don't kidnap women like.
It's very simple, Sir. Whites, it's actually really
easy to not kidnap women. Not kidnap girls.
Yes, you can actually even be friends with them.
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It's crazy. It's crazy you could simply just
not kidnap them. The Dems don't want you to know
that you can actually just be friends.
I thought I had thought of one more thing that I wanted to
think it was about Jill, was it?The fact that she was trimming
the hedges and she chopped off aflower.
(44:44):
I didn't notice that. Jill girl, what you doing?
I was like Dang, she angry. Oh.
My gosh, no, I did not notice that.
OK, well, one thing about her doesn't she look like maybe from
Arrested Development? Yes, I see that way.
Less freckles though. Yes, way less freckles.
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If she had freckles that would literally be maybe.
Always be my baby, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what I was
going to say, just something around how she was like weirdly
in love with her son. Yeah, she was.
I was like, I don't know. I think the way that they
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presented the fact that Margo and Sophie had a relationship
was supposed to be, in a way, shocking.
Like, Oh my gosh, these two married women are having an
affair with each other. But then I was like, make Jill
kiss Brad. I dare you, do you coward.
The Dems don't want you to know.Oh, you.
(45:50):
Fucked up. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Also, OK. I thought there was just too
much raunchy sex. Like, I don't want to sound like
a prude, but so much of it was so unnecessary and it lasted so
(46:12):
long. Every time you're just like,
yeah, we get it, We get it. Yeah, lesbian.
Sex. Lesbians for the male gays,
that's. What it was?
I wish I that's what I was like,OK, if you're going to make
Margo actually lesbian and like have make her have an actual
(46:34):
relationship with Sophie, I wantto know more about that.
Like give me some more back story about how she actually is.
Or like maybe thought she was bisexual or she's actually
lesbian and that's why she's been having relationships with
women outside of her marriage with Jed.
Like, I wanted to there to be more of a storyline behind and
(46:55):
that, but then it just turned into like, Margo and Sophie kind
of having some hot and cold relationship where Margo's like,
I'm going to do this. And then Sophie's like, you
betrayed me. And then Margo's like, but I
love you. And then Sophie's like, OK.
And then Margo's does something else and Sophie's like, you
betrayed me again. I'll never trust you again.
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And then Margo's like, trust me,babe.
And then Sophie's like, OK. It's just that over and over
again. Yeah, yeah.
I I didn't get enough depth of their relationship to even
believe why Sophie would love Margot.
Because from the outside feels like Margot's extremely toxic.
She's pushing drinks on Sophie, she's not respectful of Sophie's
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boundaries. Why would you love someone like
that, even if you are just physically attracted to them?
Totally. Also, don't you think the whole
show would have been exactly thesame if no one was a lesbian?
Yeah. It could have just become fast
friends, right? And like, it could have been
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kind of a toxic friendship whereshe's like kind of alert by her,
but like. Actually need the Dems don't
want you to know that you can just be friends with women, you
don't have to sexualize them andI'm justified it's crazy
especially attractive women your.
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Options are your options are lesbian relationship,
kidnapping, killing, killing. Exactly.
That's the only thing that you could do with attractive women.
Oh my gosh. Oh, and then the other thing
that annoyed me is while they were trying to figure out who
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killed Abby Jackson, someone calls the police.
Not the sheriff, but one of the other officers.
And they were like, hey, it's me, your boy from across the
town. I've got an update on the gun
that was used in this robbery. And we think it's related to
your investigation. And then the guy gets distracted
(49:03):
and is like, I'll call you back later.
And I'm like, he has critical information on an active case
that is like nationwide right now.
You're going to hang up. On him.
Wait, when did that happen? I don't even remember that.
I forget even when he got distracted by, but he was like
in his office and he was on the phone with someone.
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They're like, we've got an update and that turns out the
update was the gun. It was why they arrested Sophie
because the gun used and that robbery was the same gun that
killed Abby Jackson and it was registered to Sophie.
Oh, was this one that Lady came up to a bald police officer and
was like blah blah blah. Something about a gun.
(49:47):
Yeah, but he they had called earlier too, and we got that
they. Ignored the first call and then
it took this lady coming to him in person and being like blah
blah gun. Yeah, it was like an NPC
interaction almost. You know, when you're like when
you're like doing quests and then the NPC is like, hey, did
(50:07):
you check that cabinet behind the couch?
Something weird is over there and you're like, yeah, fuck you
NPC. And you go about and you like
break pots and whatever. And then the NPC is like, I
really think you should tuck behind that cupboard.
Something's glistening. It was like that.
(50:27):
I was like, stop doing your sidequests.
That is so accurate. That's so accurate.
Yeah. And we never saw that Lady ever
again. She what she her purpose?
Was fulfilled. She evaporated into the Oh my.
(50:48):
Gosh. Oh man, I wanted to go through
the final body count. Oh, OK, yeah, final body.
Count Body count. Abby Jackson.
Pastor Pete, Star Jackson RIP Jill, Kyle and Casey.
(51:08):
Crumble. Almost but no.
Almost. Salazar.
Almost but no. So yeah, 5 bodies.
Damn, you know how we were like in Sirens?
We were like, no one died in theshow, like so many people died.
This show and in Untamed, so many people are dying.
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Oh yeah, all over the place. Maybe we can spend a little bit
more time on Graham. And just like their relationship
dynamic. How would you feel?
I guess how would you have actedsimilarly to Graham if you were
Sophie's husband? This like super traumatic thing
(51:50):
happened while she was drinking and driving.
Yeah. How would you deal with that as
as a spouse? We were forced to move to Texas.
Yes. I would absolutely not live in
the suburbs where we had to drive everywhere.
I would like live in the city where there is some form of
(52:11):
public transport somewhere. Yeah.
I'd be like. That's so fair.
Yeah. But like, do you think you would
let her drive or like, what? How would you handle that?
I think it's just like, yeah, it's up to her if she wants to
drive or not, right? Like if she's feeling like
driving is super traumatic, thenlike, yeah, don't drive.
(52:33):
Like it's it's all good. Like, yeah.
We got public transport on our left.
We got a little Tesla right here.
Waymo's coming to Austin. Maybe we should move there like
many options, but but also if she wants to drive then like,
yeah, of course. Dr. How do you feel?
Yeah, I don't know, Like, I think it's really complicated
(52:55):
because I well, yeah, I don't think I would force her not to
drive. But I don't know how I would
feel if my, let's say, husband, like, if he was drunk driving
and killed someone and how I would deal with that.
(53:15):
Like how I would want to help him set boundaries in his own
life. Does that mean telling him that
maybe he shouldn't drive for a while?
I also don't know how long it had been for Sophie.
I think 2 years is. What They said two years.
OK, that's like quite a lot of time.
But yeah, I don't know. I just don't know how I would
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feel. And then how would I feel about
my husband potentially like, driving our kid around?
And, you know, like, just so many questions.
And especially when he started questioning if she's still sober
or not, That's scary. I don't know.
Yeah, that's a good point. I think driving the kid I think
(53:59):
is a big red flag. But I feel like if it's a matter
of driving yourself versus like Ubering everywhere, I think
that's and exploration like you're the other person, like
just has to do by themselves. Because I feel like the other
side of that is Sophie, probablySophie or this hypothetical
scenario, whatever your spouse is, probably feels so much guilt
(54:23):
and remorse overdoing this specific thing that I think, I
don't know, I like, I wouldn't want to burden them even more by
being like, you can't now, now that you've done this, you can't
do all these things. And here are all the ways in
which I don't trust you. I think that's like another
issue. Because then if it's like a
(54:44):
matter of trust, then that's OK.Well, you need to resolve that.
Yeah, yeah. Not via control.
Definitely, Yeah, yeah. And then how would you handle it
if you were Graham? Once Sophie was arrested for
murder or even the first time she's taken down to the station
(55:05):
because it was her gun that killed Abby Jackson.
And you're like, whoa, like my wife has a gun.
It was used in a murder. How would you?
How do you think you would reactto all of that?
I probably wouldn't, like, use the Yellow Pages and find the
first lawyer that's like, you know, I wouldn't phone it in and
(55:27):
like, just give them a random ass lawyer.
I would probably try to give them a lawyer that, you know,
actually is worth their salt. So I think that was a little bit
like, Graham, what the hell are you doing?
Do you want her to go to jail? Like, because that's how this is
going. I think the second thing is I
think that would result in a lotof lack of trust.
(55:49):
Yeah. And in terms of like, OK, you
said you said you weren't going to drive.
You're driving. You said you weren't going to
drink. You're drinking.
You said you hate guns and you were uncomfortable at an NRA
affiliated conference or whatever it was.
And now you own a gun and it's registered to you and it was
used as a murder weapon. Like, there is so much going on
(56:11):
here. There's like you are leading a
double life right now. Yeah, I was honestly surprised
he didn't, like, pick up and leave with with Jack.
Like, yeah, I was very surprised.
Obviously the first half of the show before the murder happens,
I was like, this dude sucks. Like he's always controlling his
wife. He always undermines her in
(56:32):
front of other people, just, youknow, backhanded compliments and
stuff. But then when all of this
happened, I was like, I'm kind of on Graham's side, to be
honest. Like, at least.
Yeah. Because I feel like he was the
only one thinking about their son.
Poor Jack. And Sylvia was, like, caught up
(56:53):
in her affair with Margo. She she's cheating on him.
She's drinking, she's driving. And he's the only one at that
point, I was like, yeah, I'm definitely on Graham's side.
He's still an asshole for how hewas treating her before.
But like, yeah, I was very sympathetic to him once all of
the shit started. Yeah, that's a fairpoint.
(57:14):
I mean, he did stick by her at the end of the day, so and he
did, he tried again with the second lawyer.
So I understand that. And he probably is trying to
have Jack's life as stable as possible and also not malign
Jack against the against Sophie or himself.
So yeah, I I agree. I think he did show up in ways
(57:39):
where we didn't expect him to show up, but I also feel like he
prioritized his job over Sophie and Jack a lot of the times.
Yeah, that's probably true. Just like moving them to that
city. Yeah.
Moving them to the first place. Well, even then I can kind of
see that how that would happen because he would be like,
(58:00):
Sophie, are you comfortable? Like it's been 2 years, like
past the accident. How about a fresh start?
A new start? Anus tart?
What have you seen the rest of development?
Oh yes, there's like a new. Yeah, there's like a license
plate that was like a new start,ANUSTART and a start.
(58:24):
Every time someone said a new start I was like and a start.
Lucille. Oh my God, I made a Lucille joke
the other day but no one around me had watched her as to
development. That's so.
Rude. I know what are we talking
about? Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah. So it's like I can imagine the
the conversation with Graham andSophie going like, Oh yeah, how
(58:46):
how about a new star anus? How about an anus * and we can
go to Texas and you know, put all of this behind us.
It's been 2 years. I think we're ready for a
change. And then she's like, yeah, I
think so. I think I'm ready.
And then they go and it's just terrible.
So. Yeah, wait, sorry, how did this?
(59:09):
What was this about? So I feel like I in that moment,
Graham did prioritize his job, but I can see why he moved the
family to Texas. Like I can see that conversation
happening from a good place. Got it.
OK. And then what other instances do
you think he prioritized his jobover Sophie and Jack?
(59:32):
In a bad way, just like every, every other action that he did
in this show. So like the the NRA convention
that was like geared towards Republicans.
Because I think what what happened?
I think like Sophie and Graham are probably liberals, right?
Yeah. OK, yeah.
So like that was prioritizing his job because he was like, oh,
my boss is like doing this. The going to the boss's house to
(59:58):
like, schmooze with them. Yeah, he knows that there would
be a lot of drinking. Yeah, just like everything else.
Like forcing her to hang out with Margo in spite of knowing
how much they drink. Yeah, yeah.
I agree not picking her up from Margo's place.
Yeah, then not picking her up iscrazy.
Like, why would you wait for her?
(01:00:19):
If you want her to be home and you have the power to bring her
home, why wouldn't you just bring her home?
Just do it man. Yeah, insane ratings.
Do you want to go first? Sure.
I would give this a 7.5 out of 10.
(01:00:41):
So high what? I OK, I guess I do my ratings
based on how much I enjoyed the process of watching the show,
you know, OK. And like, it was an enjoyable
process. Like I was hooked.
It was very hooking. OK, I, I was going to give it a
six. It's not that different.
(01:01:01):
I feel like we're normally within .5, but so that's what
1.5 feels large to me. I think I'm, I think I'm being
generous with the six. Wow should I go 7?
But I think I enjoyed it more than other shows I've rated A7.
(01:01:22):
Like I think 7 down to six turnsinto shows that I'm like ready
to end, but this one I was very hooked the whole time.
Yeah, OK, then I think that's, that's a fair assessment for
you, I think. Yeah, for me, I just like wasn't
hooked. I I think it was the, this whole
like, stereotypical stuff about like how Democrats and
Republicans see each other and like how men and women see each
(01:01:46):
other and how, like, gay and straight people see each other.
I'm like, so over it. I'm just like, we have spent so
much of human civilization talking about our differences
and like, we're finally in a place where all of this is not
that. It's not like crazy anymore,
right? It's not crazy to, like, see gay
(01:02:08):
people. Yeah, I think that's why I was
just like, Oh my God, It just feels so, so regressive.
And also I think in this political climate, I'm like, so
over the headlines that are talking about these topics.
And I don't know if that's me putting my head in the sand or
(01:02:29):
if it's just me being tired about things, but I'm just like,
I'm over it. That being said, I did get more
into it when they started talking about like the murder
specifics. It was just a part.
No, Yeah, you're so right. There were, there were a lot of
like very archetypal stereotypical things that like
(01:02:52):
don't need to be enforced in this day and age.
You're right. OK.
I think I'll lower to A7 becauseit was still not lower though,
because yeah, I do think the show should lose points for
doing that. And this very performative
(01:03:12):
lesbian stuff I really didn't like.
Give us a lesbian love story butdon't give us this fake ass
straight women who are like getting off on doing each other.
Yeah. And like, just suddenly they
have a relationship and they love each other because they're
physically attracted to each other, like.
Out of nowhere. And not even gay relationships
(01:03:34):
like that doesn't give any relationship a good name.
That's just like bad writing. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Down to A7.
Nice, let's talk more. I'll get you down to a 6.5 and
here's why I think it should be low.
Oh no, she's still going. Oh, she's dragging me down.
(01:03:57):
No, that's it. OK, great.
Are you wait a question, are yougoing to watch season 2 when it
comes out? I'll for sure watch season 2.
I'll. Watch it if you make me.
Yappers, if you want Ruchi to watch season 2, let us know.
(01:04:19):
That should be the pull on the on the Spotify.
Should reach Should Ruchi watch season 2?
Make me watch season 2. You won't if this episode gets
50,000 likes. Oh, OK, OK, OK.
I will watch the Hunting Wives season 2.
(01:04:41):
Yappers you got to pull together.
You won't. You won't.
Binge in progress. OK, I finished a book, but I
forgot the title. OK, I have the title.
(01:05:04):
Yeah. OK, so for Binge in Progress, I
recently finished this book thatIzzy podcast host Izzy got me
for Christmas like two or three years ago.
I finally finished it. So the book is called the Cat
Who Saved Books and it's a very cute, it was a very like
(01:05:27):
calming, peaceful read. And I was reading it before bed
and I finished it and it was a really nice book.
Oh. I think if there was like a
Miyazaki film adaptation of it, it would be it would be a hit.
OK, cute. OK, sorry, I'm moving some stuff
around because I want to show you my binge in progress.
(01:05:54):
OK, my binge in progress is thisbook Great Big Beautiful Life by
Emily Henry. It's her new book.
It's in Reese's Book Club. Look at the two of us having
binge in progress books. I know this is so unlike us so.
Unlike us. But yeah, the books pretty good.
(01:06:17):
I usually like Emily Henry's books, but I'm like a little, I
don't know, a little too jaded for her style of romance books.
But this one's really cute and has a interesting like back
story or that it flashes back between different decades and
the the previous like the past is very interesting.
(01:06:39):
Oh, is it like like past lives kind of thing?
I would say it's kind of like Evelyn Hugo.
The love story is about like this, the main character and
this guy who are competing over the rights to write the
biography of this woman, and they're both interviewing the
(01:07:00):
woman about her life. And so her life is very
interesting. Is it a gay love story?
No, unlike Evelyn Hugo, it is not a gay love story.
At least so far. I'm only this much through it
so. It's like halfway.
Yeah, so I'm not gay yet. There's still a chance.
(01:07:21):
There's still time. That reminds me, I think there
is one book called Red, White, red, white and Blue that is like
a red, white, oh and blue romance.
Oh Red, White and Royal Blue is an LGBT romance novel by Casey
Mcquiston that apparently had really good reviews and was I
(01:07:45):
think translated into some TV series, Amazon Prime or
something. Anyway, yeah, cool.
If this post gets 69. If this post gets 2 likes I'll
read Red, white, and Royal. 1/2 right here.
Let us know if you've read Red, white and Royal Blue.
(01:08:08):
Or great Big beautiful life. Or the Cat Who saved books.
Oh yeah, yeah, that one's so cute.
Yeah. Thanks for yapping with us, OK?
All right, bye. Thanks for yapping with us.
If you loved this episode, have some hot takes we missed, or if
you've got a show you're dying for us to binge next, follow us
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on socials. We're at Binge Yapper Pete.
Until next time, happy bingeing.
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