The Summer I Turned Pretty Season 3 Eps 3-7 (Prime Video): Rings, Peaches, Bathtubs, and Beaches

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Hey yappers, welcome back to thesummer I turn pretty series on
Binge yap Repeat. Today, guest host Eliana and I
yap all about episodes 3 through7 of season 3.
We discuss everything from the cringe ring reveal, the iconic
Peaches scene, the gut wrenchingbathtub scene, the beach

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confession, and a bunch of Easter eggs you may have missed.
Come for the Jeremiah hate and stay for the deep character
analysis. Let's dive in.
Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.And I'm Shalini and we're your
hosts. A binge, yap, repeat.
We're two best friends who spendan embarrassing amount of time
binge watching TV, and honestly,we just need to talk about it.

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If you're here, we're guessing you do too.
Fair warning, this is a spoiler friendly zone.
We will be discussing lots of spoilers, so if you haven't
watched the show yet, hit pause,go binge, and come back when
you're ready to yap with us. And now it's yap time.

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Welcome back Yappers to Binge Yapper Pete, and welcome back
Aliana. Thank you so much for being
here. Thank you for having me.
I feel like the CEO of summer. I turned pretty, so I'm so
excited to talk about it. Yes, you are exactly the right
person to be on this podcast forthis show.
So yappers, if you hadn't guessed it, today we are talking

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about the summer I turn pretty season 3, specifically episodes
3 through 7, so 5 full episodes.We have a lot of ground to cover
though. I'll just like quickly go
through a really high level summary of each episode just to
kind of Orient ourselves. So episode 3 is right after

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Belle and Jeremiah get engaged. So episode 3 is kind of all
about their engagement aftermath.
We have the really iconic scene of her showing off her ring in
the in the restaurant and all ofthe family reactions.
Then we have episode 4, which isall about wedding dress

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shopping. They kind of dive into Taylor's
mom's financial issues. Episode 5, which is I think a
huge turning point in this season.
We have Conrad's point of view for the first time ever.
It's the day that they spent together.
We have the Peaches scene. We have the dinner that they eat
together. So good.

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Then episode 6 is her bridal shower and belly and Jeremiah
apartment shopping. And then episode 7 of course is
the one that just released todayand it is all about their joint
batch party. Conrad finally, finally tells

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her he loves her and there is ofcourse some fallout from that.
So Ariana, I know this is a really hard question to answer
right now, but what are your overall thoughts for the season
so far and maybe for the last couple of episodes?
I feel like the season they I said it in the other episode,

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but they really stepped it up. Like Chris Briny's acting has
been fantastic. Like he I feel like he he got
punched in the face. Every time he looks at belly, he
looks so like heartbroken and he's just like yearning for her
Lola tongue. Her acting has been amazing as
well. I'm so mad at her for half the
time because I'm like why are you engaged to this man child?

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Like I can't even stand her halfthe time.
But so far I really I really like it.
I love the music in it and I feel like it's a really good
representation of the book. I haven't noticed as many
differences from the book. Maybe because I've like the
biggest ones were in the beginning and maybe they'll be
in the end just based off what Jenny Han has said.

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Like no one will guess the ending, but so far everything in
the middle has been pretty much what I've been expecting except
like this stuff with Taylor's mom.
Like I don't think that was in the book.
So that's the only new thing to me.
OK, yeah, I agree. I've been really impressed with
everyone's acting. I remember thinking in season 1
that the acting needed some workand I definitely don't think

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that anymore or I've just gottenused to it 'cause I'm so
invested in the in the series now.
But yeah, I thought Chris Briny's face acting has been
really good, especially in this last episode.
When he hears he overhears that Jeremiah cheated on belly, his
just like shocked angry expression was Oh my gosh.
I was terrified when he was standing in the door.

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When Jeremiah's hurling his gutsout, I was like, he is in
danger. If Jeremiah wasn't like neck
deep in the toilet bowl right now, he'd be punched like I was.
I was so scared. But yes, the the face acting is
so good. Like the Peaches scene and the
scene when he got hurt. Oh my God, the whimpering.

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I'll talk about that later, I'm sure.
But I feel like he's been like astandout, but I've been enjoying
it And I feel like Steven so funny, like he he's like such a
big comedic relief in the show. And like, I don't always agree
with like Taylor's like actions,especially like she encourages
ballet with Jeremiah, which I don't like, but I feel like I

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see that kind of like Susanna and Laurel friendship the most
out of the two of them this season than any other one.
So I've that part, but I don't really care about Taylor's mom.
I don't want to see it to be. I'm, I'm with you on that, but
OK, going back to your point about Taylor and Belly kind of
being a parallel for Susanna andLaurel's relationship, who would

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you say is the Susanna and who is the?
Laurel well, I feel like Belly right now with Jeremiah, she is
Susanna because Jeremiah's like we could, I mean, the previous
episode so obvious that Jeremiah's like following in his
father's footsteps. Like the whole scene when
they're like cheering their bourbon or whiskey or whatever
old man drink they're drinking. And then Jeremiah encouraging

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Conrad to hook up with a bridesmaid.
Conrad's like, oh, I'm going to go back to California.
And then the dad's like, well, that's the point.
And they both laugh. Like Jeremiah and Belly are an
exact copy of they're Conrad andJeremiah's parents.
But I feel like I don't know I don't really see a specific
person in Taylor. I'm just thinking of like they

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even look so similar to them like the brunette and the blonde
friendship duo. Like I completely see it.
And there was a moment, it was episode 3 actually, when Taylor
came over to apologize to Belly and they're about to go upstairs
and like, not Susanna, Laurel, like stares at them wistfully
and like smiles to herself when I feel like she's seeing like

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that was like her and Susanna before.
So I love it. Yeah, I think their friendship
is so sweet. I am curious your thoughts.
So up until now, Taylor has beensuper team Jellyfish, team
Jeremiah, and she's kind of beenthat voice in Belly's ear to go

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for Jeremiah and forget about Conrad.
We saw that. We've been seeing that since
Season 1. How do you think things are
going to change now? I think I thought we started to
see a bit of a shift in how Taylor supports Belly, starting
with the bathroom scene when Belly like has her crash out
about like I always pictured Conrad, blah, blah, blah.

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How do you think she will support Belly as a best friend
going forward? Yeah, I that's a good question.
And I I feel like I even saw thecracks in the armor when she
found out that Jeremiah cheated on belly.
Like she yelled, she screamed athim and she was like, you were
supposed to be like the good oneand that whole thing.
I feel like she felt some type of way then.

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And she only let up a little when she was like, if you want
to be with him, go be with him when they were in the hospital
with Steven. But now, especially with this
new development, if Belly tells Taylor what happened, I don't
know what she will do because I think she's going to support her
best friend no matter what, evenif it means stopping the

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wedding. And another thing is I feel like
this season has emphasized how Belly's an unreliable narrator.
And in the past, like Taylor wasnot really in Cousins until
season 1, it seems maybe once a year.
Everything she hears about Conrad is always through Belly.
So I feel like Belly in the lastepisode realized like she

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doesn't remember every single detail.
She's actually like fusing together Conrad and Jeremiah in
a way. So I.
Feel right with their dog. Exactly so I feel like if Taylor
knew the whole story and I wouldlove to see like a Taylor Conrad
conversation. I don't know if that will happen
but I think she'll support whatever is best for her.

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I think she also idolizes Belly and Jeremiah's relationship just
cause hers with Steven has been so messy.
So she's like two people are choosing each other.
That's good enough for me yes but I I don't know.
She's become a much better friend over the years so I'd
like to think she'll support herwhoever.
Yeah, I think that is such a good point about Belly being an
unreliable narrator and how, like, everything that Taylor has

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heard about Conrad has been through Belly.
And so, yeah, you're right, Taylor has not really gotten
that much time with Conrad, unlike Jeremiah, where like she,
she has like this mild history with him.
They made out so she. Obviously, yeah, they made out,
which I don't think we did not know that, right.
I didn't know about that. I was like it'll but also makes.
Sense yeah. And then and then of course, the

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three years at Finch, she she's probably gotten to spend a lot
more time with Jeremiah. So yeah, I'm curious to see how
things will go. And I agree, she's become a way
better friend over the years. And I I've seen so much
character growth from Taylor. Honestly, like season 1, she was
feeling threatened by belly becoming pretty, which is crazy

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and and stuff like that. And now she's just like such a
die hard friend and helping her mom save her business and giving
up her own dreams to do that. And yeah, so love Taylor.
And her supporting even like Denise and Steven at this
episode, yes, she has some good acting as well in the in the

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bridal shower episode where she was like, I'm really happy for
you, happy for you to Steven. Then when she turned around, she
looked so sad and like, heartbroken.
So yeah, I feel like she's grownup a lot in the past few years,
but I need her to get off the team jellyfish train.
No one's there. No one is there.

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Jeremiah and Bella are the last ones left, and Taylor I guess.
Yeah, I, I hate it every second I wrote in my notes like no one
wants to see this sex scene during episode 7.
I was like, please skip it. I was thinking the second that
she wouldn't even kiss him because she was kind of
hesitant, but then she didn't and I was like, you're so

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annoying Belly I. Know yeah OK that actually
reminds me of another moment so when she's in the bathroom
during her Bachelorette party and she's high on weed and just
like kind of the the feelings are flowing I feel like for the
first time in a long time she's allowing herself to express
what's really inside and she's like it it was always like by

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always what I pictured was Conrad blah blah blah Christmas
everything comes out and then you see this moment from her
where she kind of just like turns it off and like puts on a
smile and it's like. Yes.
OK, I'm done. Like I'm I'm fine.
I'm fine and just like. Goes wedding dig jitters like
it's the wedding. No, but that's it's been

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happening this entire season like she'll be stressing about
it and then she'll justify it. Like even in the beginning of
the episode, I I think it was this episode, she was freaking
out about it or Oh yeah, it was about the bridal shower.
She was talking to Taylor. She was just like, it doesn't
even feel like it's my wedding anymore.
Like, you know, this is just notme.

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And then Taylor gave her a little bit.
She was like, I feel like it might be like jitters.
And Billy said, yeah, you're right.
Like I'm lucky to have him. Like I love him.
And she justifies. And it's been throughout this
entire season, like whenever anything happens, she justifies
it. When she found out she did on
him, on her, she justified it. When Conrad called her out, she

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threw it back at him and like blamed him.
Said you were even worse to me than Jeremiah was.
So it's really that's what I feel like has made it hard to
watch her. Like I've always had love for
her even when she's messed up inso many ways.
But this season I feel like she's just so dependent on

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Jeremiah. Like she just latched onto him
throughout all of college. He's become her identity and she
keeps justifying this relationship that's not serving
her SO. I know she's digging in so deep,
and I feel like she's just kind of letting go of her own
instincts and just pushing forward and listening to her

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head over her heart and being like, well, logically, like
Jeremiah's been there for me over the last four years.
I guess what she's really fixating on is that when things
get hard, he doesn't leave her, unlike Conrad.
And I feel like he's just, he just like is the antithesis of
everything that she disliked about her relationship with

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Conrad and that's the only reason she's with him, rather
than like actually feeling lovedand supported.
Yeah, he's at he's making her life harder, like he doesn't
help her, but he's there like her.
The bar is so low for her, but even it's just like it really
represents that their relationship, even though they I

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think they do love each other, it's still very surface level.
Like he doesn't solve any of herproblems.
He was like, I'm sure Laura willcome around, but he didn't do
anything celebr except that one chat.
But it's like whenever Belly's been freaking out about the
wedding, the only time that she's been really supported was
by Conrad. Conrad's like, let's pillage
corporate America. Fuck it, we're going to
Michael's, you know, like he's been there through all the

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challenges for the wedding in a way Jeremiah wasn't.
And Jeremiah just slaps the Band-Aid on it.
He's like, it's going to work out, but then ultimately he just
leaves it up to her to fix everything.
Yes. He's all worried and no action.
Exactly, and it's maybe messy, like she actually lets the
emotions out when she's when Conrad, but at least she's like
being honest with her feelings. The other time she, like you

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said, she just like slaps on to smile and she's like it's it's
going to be fine after the wedding.
I can relax. Like it's like she just wants to
get it over with, which is the saddest part.
And it's not even like what she wanted originally.
I know, I know. And I'm glad she's starting to
realize that, Yeah. But when we talk about the we

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can't be friends, Monta Oh my gosh, initial Bon rad edit I was
as soon as this the song startedplaying, I was like, oh, I'm
going to fill my reaction like it's going to be.
And then I saw a flash of something and I was like, hold
on a minute. I rewind and it's like, that's
still of him. When he was in the like in the
bathtub and I was like, oh, it'sgoing to be good.
And we see everything. We see everything since Season

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1, even since they were kids. And I was like, yeah, she's not
getting married to Jeremiah. Like, there's absolutely no way.
I know that was so good. I was like, finally it felt like
a release from So Live. She's held it in.
We as viewers have been teased and teased and teased from
episodes one through now about like her denying her feelings

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for Conrad. And finally we're seeing
something from her obviously in the last episode too, with the
bathtub, the actual bathtub scene, which we should talk
about. She's like starting to have a
reaction. But like, I was like, finally
we're seeing some sort of release as the viewer.
Like this is so satisfying, so. And yeah.

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She said it out loud, 'cause even I feel like last episode
was a big deal because she even said like the whole bye bye
birdie thing. And she's like whenever I
imagined or whenever I was singing, I was singing it to
Conrad. Like my first love.
It's always been Conrad, but she's never said it until now
since they were together. So when she said to Taylor,

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Taylor just looked at her like, oh, shit, Like, oh, it's still
here. He's in her heart.
But I feel like it's a good step.
She finally said, said it out loud because I think she's been
holding just everything in. And even with Conrad, she hasn't
talked to him about. They're both kind of like faking
it around each other that everything's fine and that they

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don't. Yeah.
They're totally like stepping onegg shells around each other
constantly. And actually maybe let's talk
about episode 5, which is the day that they spend together.
And we kind of see Conrad's point of view because I feel
like we get a lot of insight about what their relationship
maybe was when they were together and what it could be.

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So yeah, like you said, she's actually being supported by him.
He's helping her with a problem that she has, which is like,
planning the wedding. And we see him just, like, put
his own emotions aside, which hedoes so much, for better or for
worse, which we can also talk about.
But yeah, we actually see him going with her to the flower

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shop, going with her to Michael's.
The flowers to like At Michael's, they picked fake
flowers like he's involved. He is involved and he makes her
dinner, or I mean chicken, whatever.
He makes her chicken and yeah, you just really see him taking
care of her. We also saw that he made her

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these muffins. Like yes.
Constantly. He made her call.
They're like cookie bombs. I forget the name of it for her
birthday. Oh yeah, episode before.
Yeah. Music I always remember.
He always remembers, Yeah. And there's another episode,
maybe it was also episode 5, where he makes her food but then

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she doesn't eat it and he's like.
Oh wow, this episode, why did you eat?
It was it the? Made the cookie it was the last
episode he made like a cookie and corn for her because he
noticed she wasn't eating so he made her more food.
He put eat this on it because like he notices he notices every
single thing. Yeah.

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Yeah, he really takes care of her.
Like it shows her how it should be when he was like helping with
the cake and everything. Also the dark cookout Berry
Cooley, please. I was actually so livid watching
that. I was like, this is the hill
you'll die on. This seriously?
Also him? Yeah, first of all, that cake is

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stupid, yes. Second of all, it's like way
more expensive than her ring, which is also stupid.
Yes, her ring was like $100. Yeah, and this cake is like
$700.00. And then third of all, he's
like, we'll just put it on the card.
Oh my God. Also in in episode 6, which is
the next episode after the cake when he's like, oh, I'm in

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credit card debt because I wanted to get us tickets to
this. Oh my gosh, and his dad pays his
credit card. Literally, I'm like, you can't
buy the love of your life a nicering, but you can like go into
major credit card debt for thesestupid concert tickets.
I was so mad. I was like, where are his
priorities? It was a hard watch and he's
just, and the fact he also said it directly to the agent, like

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say you're behind on a few bills, would that affect your
credit? Like, he doesn't even know.
Yeah, he just holds her back. Exactly.
He holds her back in every way. And the cake stuff was so
ridiculous. It was so crazy.
But yeah, going back to Conrad, what?
What else did I want to say about, oh, the Peaches scene?

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Oh. My gosh.
Yeah, the Peaches scene. OK, so we see them.
I actually saw an edit of this scene with the actual words from
the book and it's almost like line to line.
I don't know if you saw that video or I know you read the
book so you maybe remember, but yeah, they're like driving down
in the book. It says it's a one way Rd. which

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you can kind of tell in the show, but like doesn't say it
explicitly. But the fact that he like U
turns on a one way Rd. for her just so that she can get her
Peaches and and that line where she's like, I want to have
another Peach. I just don't know if it'll live
up to the first one and then shetries the second Peach and it
does live up. Is that a symbol for second time

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with Conran? Maybe, perhaps.
No. I was actually like a feral
monster when I watched that scene.
Unfortunately I was next to my fiance during it and I'm not
proud of my reaction. I was like screaming at the TV
and I immediately rewinded it. It's the same thing happened for
the bathtub scene. But yeah, it was so well done.

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Like I was watching. Jenny Hahn also directed that
episode, which you can so tell cause like all of the close-ups.
I, I'm not sure if she did, but it reminds me of the debutante
episode because they had like the close-ups with them when
they're dance or before they danced.
But yeah, it, I think they did such a good job with it.

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Like the lighting was beautiful and belly.
Oh my God, I was like, wipe yourchin, girl.
No wonder he wiped it with his shirt.
Like you're making a mess. But yeah, I just loved getting
his his POV during it. I'm like Episode 5, track 5.
Is that why it's like, oh, you know, Jenny Honda is just swift?

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Yes, yappers. For those of you who are maybe
not the crazy level of Swifty that Eliana and I are, Taylor
Swift famously makes track five.Well, I think fans noticed it
after Reputation, but then she'skind of been playing into it
since then. That track 5 is always a super,

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super vulnerable track for her. So songs like White Horse,
Delicate, what was it on Red? Oh, all too well, all too well.
Eldest daughter, isn't that the newest?
05 yes eldest daughter. It will be the newest track 5
Can't wait for that so I I know.Same.

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I'm the eldest daughter of the eldest daughter.
Oh. My gosh, it's going to hit.
Yes. So yeah, that's a really
interesting. Wow.
I never thought about that. So yeah, maybe Jenny Hahn
thought that they had to make Episode 5 like the really gut
wrenching, the most gut wrenching, which I would say it

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was maybe with the exception of this past episode just for the
last scene on the beach. But.
I feel like it's just always a gut wrenching episode for
Conrad. I'm like, he needs a hug.
Somebody needs to like, take care of him.
He's taking care of everyone andlike, sparing everyone's
feelings. I know.
But yeah, it was such a good episode.
I was. I thought of something, I forgot

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it. Maybe it'll come back to me.
But yeah, I think the Peach scene was really good.
And Jenny Han, she understands the female gaze perfectly
because they have been feeding us every single week on
Wednesday. So I loved it.
I was going to say I don't exactly remember, but I think we

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did not hear Belly's inner monologue from your losing me to
so like her finding out Jeremiahcheated on her to the episode
after Conrad's POV. It was either after his POV
right before like when she was hanging out with Conrad, her her
inner monologue came back. So we just watched really.

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Yeah. I don't think we heard it until
episode 6. So when the there was nothing,
there was no inner monologue. And so it was like.
In 3 or 4. I think so, you know, keep me
honest. But I remember at least an
episode or two went by where we didn't hear her monologue at
all. And then we got Conrad's
monologue and then hers came right after.

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So it was a while. And it made me think like, oh,
because I know the heartbeat symbolism.
We can talk about the bathtub scene more in detail, but it's
like kind of like she lost her spark after she found out.
And then now she's having all these opinions on things like in
the last episode with the apartment, Like she was
frustrated and she's been growing closer to Conrad and

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she's telling herself like, I need to stay away from him, give
him space. So I thought that was really
interesting. I'll double check on it and let
you know. But OK, I remember I was like, I
haven't heard her being annoyingin her head lately.
So I was like, should they do itunintentionally?
Probably. Wow.

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Oh, my gosh. If true.
That's crazy and such a good detail.
I didn't even notice. But I think that makes a lot of
sense in it. Kind of.
Yeah. It's just like when she feels,
when she feels like a pure form of love, she can like come back
to herself, which she was not getting from Jeremiah.
Any I I welcomed the break from the inner monologue because

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episodes one and two, which she's just so delusional.
She's just like, you know, I came to college to find my
soulmate, but too bad. I already had it.
It was Jeremiah and it's like all just like gushing about him
and gushing about her like codependency issues.
I'm like, just show Connor in California.
I don't want to see this. I know.
OK, let's talk about that scene at the restaurant when they tell

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the parents that they're engaged.
Belly shows her a ring. She's like.
I have a ring and you're like, huh.
With a magnifying glass. Oh, my gosh, That was.
I'm so glad people reacted the way they did.
So the episode starts with her telling Taylor.
Taylor's the first person she tells and Taylor's reaction oil.

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Yes, her reaction was so real. Yeah.
She bashes the ring, which fair Second of all, she's like, why?
Why don't you guys just get backtogether?
Why do you have to get married? And she's just like, so like,
what the fuck? Which is so real.
Her mom has a very reasonable reaction as well.
I'm just glad that no one's likefeeding into their like delusion

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with them. No one does.
Obviously that doesn't continue,but yeah.
And Conrad at the table, just, like looking like he got punched
in the gut when Steven was like,did you know?
He's like, Nope, I didn't know. Yeah, Laurel's reaction is so
fair. If I were her, I want to slap

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belly again. Part 2, just like season 2.
She's just being so crazy. And I feel like something I
noticed in all the other episodes is when it's anything
related to the wedding, she dresses very, like grown up
compared to how she usually dresses.
Like she'll wear like a square neckline, she'll wear pearls,
she'll do her hair in a different way.

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So like in that episode, her bridal shower when she's like
when she was going around wedding planning, like when she
went to see the wedding planner at the Country Club, she doesn't
even look like herself. And I feel like it's a represent
representation that this is not,this doesn't feel like her.
This whole thing doesn't feel like her.
So when I saw her like in her outfit and it's blue, I was just

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like, yeah, she doesn't even know that this is not like what
she wants. And the seafood tower detail was
crazy. Oh my gosh.
It was crazy in the original, like in the book an inflation
definitely shows because I thinkthey ordered something like a
steak or something that was like50 dollars, $45 and now it's

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like the seafood tower $75.00. So I was just like, wow, I
forgot how long ago this book was released.
Not the inflation. It's the inflation is very
obvious, but then Conrick ordering the salmon, he orders
the cheapest thing from the beans because.
So thoughtful. He's not taking advantage of it.
I was just like, this is anotherexample of why they should be

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together. Also the way she looked walked
in, I was like girl. I know it's like, girl, that's
not the man you're marrying. That's not the man you're
marrying. The bathtub scene.
I saw a post that was like, Belly's better than me because I
would have made Jeremiah an uncle right then and there.
Literally, I saw that too, actually.

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Did you send that to me? I don't really send that to me.
So funny. OK, I want to go back to your
point about Belly's fashion. So you were saying that whenever
she's wedding planning, she dresses more grown up?
I would actually expand that to say whenever she's hanging out
with Jeremiah, she dresses up like older.

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I think I noticed it. Well, I had started to notice it
for in the previous episodes. But then in the last episode
when they're apartment hunting is when I really noticed it
because she's wearing this like long.
Very. Yeah.
It's like a long green dress andit it's like it's just so fancy
for apartment shopping. And I was like, why is she

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dressing like this? I feel like she, I don't know,
something about being with Jeremiah, I guess she's like,
proving it to the world that they're mature enough to be
together and get married. But she, like, feels the need to
make herself look more grown up versus when we see her with
Conrad, she's just wearing kind of what she's worn in previous
seasons, which is like a cute top and Jean shorts.

(30:22):
Yeah, shirt and shorts. It's like always her shirt and
shorts when she's with Conrad. And that's just like what we
know she feels comfortable in. Definitely like no pearls.
She only wore the pearls for thethe ball.
That's it. Oh wait, when does she wear
pearls again? She wore pearls for when they
told them that they were gettingmarried.
She wore them then. I don't know if she's worn it

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since she probably has. I don't remember but I just
remember. Then I was like this doesn't
feel very her but the clothing is very telling.
The colour theory. Have you seen like when she's in
the 1st 2 episodes we talked about like every time she
interacted with Conrad she was wearing red.
Like she had red sunglasses. When Conrad called and she
answered she was wearing the allred pyjamas for Christmas and

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then during the episodes like I think she's been wearing red
more. There's like red details at
certain parts with Conrad. The dress with the cherries on
it on her birthday when Conrad makes for the muffins and that
has red on it. Then when she goes to meet the,
I guess, like the wedding coordinator at the club, she

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wears that like red dress that we've been seeing in the posters
for this season, the the Sabrinaremake posters.
Yeah, she's wearing that dress and she like, goes back home to
Conrad. It's just like, so yeah, so much
red whenever. Whenever she sees Jeremiah it's
instantly back to blue, which frustrates me.
Like it's always blue. But during the apartment scene I

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was like why is she wearing green?
I was like, because red and blue, I was.
And Isaac looked at me. He was like, you're out of your
mind, like fixating on these colors and stuff.
Like now whenever he's used to wearing color, he's like, Oh my
God, she's wearing purple because of this part.
Is it? I'm like Jenny Hahn's has
slipped you though, so it makes sense.
For real? Yeah, no, I noticed the green

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dress too, because it's like so green.
It's so green, it's like a long green dress too.
Yeah, I thought that's an interesting choice.
I think so too, but yeah, the they're definitely making lots
of choices with the clothing I was trying to pick up on like
other people if I saw it as muchtoo.

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But I think it's mostly belly. I think they did a great job
with episode 3 like that. It felt very tense the whole
table scene and also Steven was upset and then comment was just
mostly like quiet. Like he couldn't even say
anything. And then he was in the parking
lot by himself. That was the beginning of like
every episode ending with him being sad.
But yes, yeah, I think they did.They did a great job with it.

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Yeah. And I'm trying to think in
Episode 4 that would have been. Yeah, it was just like the
wedding dress shopping. And Oh yeah, the wedding dress
is exactly what I pictured though the.
Plane. Yeah, like it was like something
of that. And they said it.
They said in the book. Like it was like it was all

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white dress, but it's like something you could have worn in
the beach. And I think also I have a lot to
talk about the beach. There's the symbolism that I'm
definitely reaching for. But yeah, I thought she looked
really cute in it, but it was like, sad.
Like there they were at a like, a prom dress shop.
And this actually, this is a detail in the book that wasn't
there. Someone asked her which prom she

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was going to in the book. And so that was another way to
illustrate like, how young she is.
And in the book, she was younger.
I think she was only a freshman or sophomore at the oldest.
So she was really young during it.
But it just showed how they're rushing, like another way to
show that. And then what else happened in

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Episode 4? There was some stuff about
Taylor's mom's financial issues,and I think Taylor and Steven
talk a little bit, but then yeah, anything.
Anything I don't think. There's is that when she went to
the cousin's house for the firsttime.
That that's when she goes to thecousin's house.
That's when she. She wakes up by her nap, too,

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and Conrad's there and she's like.
Yes. What are you doing here?
Yes, and that's like when he he Oh my God, he looks so good in
his blue button down doing the dishes, wearing his slutty
little watch. His slutty watch and he always
takes it off when he washes his hand.
I'm like, you don't need to do all that.
I know put it back. Cute.

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This season, they know like they're dressing him up.
He'll be in like a button down in jeans.
When he talked to Laurel, I was like, this is a man.
This is amazing. I know they're really like
they're laying it on and thick. They are with the wet hair every
episode. Yeah, on red with wet hair is
like how much they do Jeremiah shirtless.
Like, this is here. This is how they get the female

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audience. But yeah, that was boring until
the last five minutes when Estean was really sad when she
was in her old room and she was crying, she was thinking about,
like, her and her mom. Like, that was really sweet.
And it showed like she needs hermom.
Like, this is another, like, flag that just doesn't feel
right to her. And he, on the way to the

(35:28):
airport, saw her and he was like, yeah, I'm staying here.
I'm going to make her some muffin bombs or whatever he
made. And yeah, I'm staying.
Like, she doesn't need to say anything to him, and he'll take
care of her. So I thought that was a really
cute moment. And then when she hugged him, he
was like, what have I done? I was like, this is what I was
waiting for this whole episode. Yes, and then that got me so

(35:52):
hyped for episode 5. And I feel like since then, it's
been like a steady progression, yes.
It's crazy that we still have four more episodes, but it's
also like there are only four more episodes.
She's like still with Jeremiah. I thought I thought that breakup
was going to happen much earlier.
I know, yeah, I hate him. I can't even look at him.

(36:12):
Every episode I'm like, there must be no Team Jeremiah fans
left like they're quiet this season.
They are quiet this season. OK, this is a theme that I
wanted to talk about. So I guess I guess just like in
general character defamation that we've seen this season.

(36:34):
So I think this is a this is something that a lot of TV
writers do when they want the audience to switch from rooting
for one person to rooting to theother person.
An example of this is in GilmoreGirls when Jess is introduced in
season 2. I feel like they really dumbed
down Dean so that you're like, oh, Roy belongs with Jess cause

(36:57):
like he loves books and he's so artsy.
And then they just like make Dean this like stupid jock where
in, in season 1 he is reading all those books with Rory, you
know? So like they, they just like
kind of change a character to manipulate the viewer into
feeling a certain way. I must say, I really feel like
they are doing that to Jeremiah this season.

(37:18):
Like obviously for what we see, who can be team Jeremiah
anymore, but like it just it just seems so extreme.
Like he from season 1, we see that he's a very happy guy, but
we don't see him be like this absolute manchild.
And I feel like they're just trying to draw the differences
between Jeremiah and Conrad so much.

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And so they're showing him like caring so much about a stupid
wedding cake and having all of this credit card debt and not
knowing what goes into credit scores.
I feel like they're just really hyper fixating on his immaturity
and really hyper fixating on Conrad's relative maturity.
And I actually think they did the same thing in season 2 when
they show Conrad to be this likepetty, caustic negative presence

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in Belly's life after their breakup.
And then Jeremiah's this like ball of sunshine who like makes
life happy for her again. And I don't it just it bugs me
when they're inconsistent with characters just to make us think
a certain way. What do you think?
Do you do you agree with that? I would push back a little bit

(38:28):
though, because I feel like if they're the dumbing down, I
think that is one thing. Like I don't think he's ever
been dumb. He has he's never been as smart
as Conrad, but like season 2, hewas helping the mom like
calculate expenses. I remember like when Conrad
asked for permission, like he was doing stuff.
And I feel like at his job, he looks like he's competent even

(38:48):
though it's not what he wants todo.
I think they're just fixing it on how irresponsible and
immature he is. But even though it's like
definitely stronger this season,and I agree that they're
definitely like emphasizing it, I think it's always been there.
It's just more obvious now because their problems are a lot
more mature. Like I'm trying to remember

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other stuff in season 1. Well, I know Jeremiah's always
like had some type of resentmenttowards his brother.
And I feel like that's definitely like a big theme this
season. Like he just looks at his
brother like he hates him since the beginning, which is really
uncomfortable. But in season 2 also there was

(39:31):
elements where he was irresponsible.
I forget, I forget. I'm trying to remember right
now, but it's it. I think it's always shown that
he was like immature from the beginning and he was very like
kind of sleeping around like he didn't he wasn't he didn't take
anything too seriously, And I think that's kind of like a
symptom of that Cappy go lucky attitude that he has.

(39:54):
It's also he doesn't really careabout anything.
So I don't think he was like stupid for the credit score
thing. It was just like he didn't
realize how it would affect him and he didn't do anything about
it. And the same thing like he was
like, I changed my major and they didn't tell me the
requirements. Like it's just him being
irresponsible. But it's all like happening
within like a series of a few months.

(40:16):
But I do agree with you and Gilmore Girls, that definitely
happened. But season 2 I was still team
Conrad. I don't care.
The whole time I was Team Conradlike.
I I agree, though, they he seemed like very negative after
you know, Susanna and everything, but I feel like he
was like that season 1 like he'salways like bottled things up.

(40:36):
He's always been like very broody and Jeremiah's always
been like a happy go lucky presence, but I completely.
No, I think that's. Fair, see what you mean.
It's definitely laid on thick though.
Like everyone's like Jeremiah's a big dumb, immature idiot and I
agree. Like undeniable this season,
it's. It's they're like, you cannot

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like Jeremiah. Jenny Han is like, I have not
done my job. If you still like Jeremiah after
this season, it's so bad. So funny the the last point I
want to say on character defamation, this is actually
about Belly. So in episode 6, at the very
beginning, Adam like says that Belly changed his coffee

(41:18):
settings or something and like that.
She's kind of messy and stuff. I thought that was kind of bad
riding, honestly, because we've we've seen in Season 1 that
Laurel is very adamant that Belly and Steven be really
courteous houseguests and like, they've grown up in the cousin's
house. Yeah, it didn't seem like her at

(41:38):
all. I was like, why are they ruining
her responsibility for this one scene?
Like I don't. He could just say, like, send
her home because it's like an apartment.
But I yeah. Or that like her hair is
everywhere or something, you know, like something that's like
not a character issue, but like,why do they have to change her
suddenly being a bad houseguest when she's been a houseguest

(42:00):
every single summer of her life?And like, there's never been
complaints about it. And she's so responsible
compared to Jeremiah too. I agree.
I think that was lazy. That was a little bit of like a
lazy writing moment. Yeah, yeah.
Did we talk about the bathtub scene enough or do you want to
talk about that? No, we did not talk about it
enough. The the episode was so good.
It was, I'm trying to remember how it started off.

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Oh, so yeah, it was starting offwith the apartment credit.
Like, Oh my God, I was just so angry that they found the
perfect apartment. And it was like another instance
of Jeremiah like half assing it and putting it all in belly.
And she still do all the weddingplanning and I just felt so bad
for her. Like when she was talking to the
wedding planner in the Country Club, like first of all, it's in

(42:44):
a Country Club. Like it seems like she's always
wanted it in the cousin's house.Like she's obsessed with the
cousin's house. She wanted a beach wedding,
something simple. And there she's like, can we
have lobster rolls? Can we do this?
And they're like, no, Adam invited 100 people.
She's like, I don't even know 100 people.
Like how could there be? This was going to be a keg

(43:07):
instead of like 4 bartenders just two weeks ago, right?
So I feel like Jeremiah just thought like Oh my dad paying
for it solves all of our problems.
Like you don't have to stress about it, other people will do
it. But then it's like it's not her
and it's not him anymore. So I felt really bad for her and
I feel like her crash out was sovalid after all of that going

(43:30):
on. But no one noticed except
Conrad, hence the cookie and thefood.
And then him asking Laurel for permission got me.
Like I was like, that is a man. And Jeremiah, when he found out
that Laurel came to the bridal shower, he was like, I told you
she'd come around and he did nothing to do that.

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Like he literally did nothing tohelp her.
So I cried when belly saw her mom.
I was like so. I did too.
Oh, there's nothing like a mother's hug.
I know she needed that hug. She's been, she's been
struggling. Yeah.
I thought that was really sweet.And it was like a nice turning
point that Laurel was not on board, but she'll support her

(44:14):
daughter. But that scene with Conrad, we
should talk about it because when Laurel was like, when do
you get to be happy, Connie? And he was like, I want her to
be happy. Oh, not your brother.
She ate him up. I know, she knows.
She knows. She knows and they talk like
they're, I love how they're friends.
Like that's such a green flag that they get along so well.

(44:36):
Seriously, I know what we saw inwell, in Episode 7, when Belly's
like, did you talk to my mom? He's like, yeah, I talk to
Laurel all the time. We're friends.
Exactly. And I saw this parallel thing
where you know how Susanna is always like our special girl to
belly and then Laurel says that about Connie like, you know,

(44:57):
you'll always be our my special boy even since season 2.
She said that season 2 or season1, I forget which one.
So I thought that was really sweet.
I thought it was so sweet and like, just again, once again, we
see how Conrad puts his own feelings aside for the sake of
other people, which he's been doing since Season 1.

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And he takes care of Laurel, too.
He's like, we'll both have this order.
Yeah, although I do hate when men order for women.
So I was like. You're like, he didn't maybe
zoom like she's not eating like Belly's eating.
But yeah, that's so true. But I guess I mean, he must.
He obviously knows her better than I do.

(45:43):
So yeah, maybe he just knew thatshe needed to eat or something.
I mean, I would be happier aftera burger, too.
So yeah, he must have made the right choice.
But yeah, I was. I thought it was really cute.
Yeah, yeah, it was a good scene.Yeah, and then at the actual
bridal shower, I I loved that seen during the game that they

(46:08):
play it where Belly's like, Oh yeah, this happened, this was
Jeremiah, like he found their dog, blah blah blah.
It's. The cutest thing.
It's actually the sweetest thingI've ever seen.
I was like it was. So mad.
She was so mad. Yeah, and it's like, girl, what
are you really mad about? When she talked to Jeremiah

(46:31):
about it, he seemed super uncomfortable.
He's like, they're calling me. And they weren't 'cause he
didn't even want to talk about it.
And the parts that she liked about the story, she was like,
he was so sad when Rosie, like went away that he cried like all
these things that she would like, loved about the memory and
like how sweet it was. Jeremiah made fun of Conrad for

(46:51):
crying. So it's like she's completely
like fused together, like parts of both of them.
And she's kind of like diminished his shortcomings and
like things she loved about him before were actually Conrad.
And it definitely messed with her head.
Like she was so upset talking toTaylor about.
It yes, I love seeing that because you're like you can

(47:14):
finally see that she's starting to have second thoughts about
the wedding or actually startingto think critically about
whether she wants this. And of course, she then
convinces herself that she does.But at least we start to see it.
Yeah. And we start to see, like, her
facial expressions. There's.
It's starting to crack. You can see.
Yeah, feelings. She.
I feel like every episode she has a moment where she's like,

(47:35):
this isn't even my wedding anymore.
When she said, like, I've been so busy planning this that I
didn't even realize that I'm theone who is going to become a
wife at the end. And I was just like, Taylor,
these are such big red flags. And, you know, Taylor's being
supportive of her friend. Yeah, but you clearly don't want
to get married and you don't want to get married to this

(47:58):
person too. It's like 2 problems.
You're too young and your partner is not like right for
this as well. Yep.
And also I we didn't talk about it, but her deciding not to go
to Paris, I thought was really sad.
Like I expected it, but I was like, this is another thing that

(48:19):
she could have been pursuing andlike becoming more dependent.
And she's just like curling intoherself.
But Laurel giving that gift was so sweet.
The like the airline so. Cute.
Yeah. So, so sweet.
And going back to Paris. I really hope what happens is

(48:39):
that she does not go through thewedding, then she does go to
Paris and then when she comes she like has a great time not
dating anyone and then comes back.
No, I, I agree. I agree with that prediction and
quick thing that it reminded me of her Laurel speech to belly in
the beginning of the season whenshe was like, you know, in

(49:00):
college. Like I want you to be open.
Like she's like, I know you haveJeremiah, but I want you to be
open to new experiences. Like she never has really.
Like she's settled for Jeremiah even like has settled for the
idea of him. So I feel like this is another
way for her to she was trying topush Belly to be more
independent and still, you know,get outside of her bubble.

(49:22):
Mm hmm. Yeah, loved it.
OK, should we talk about episode7?
Wait, bathtub scene. Bathtub scene.
Oh, duh. OK, yes.
Amazing, amazing, beautiful. The fact that she's writing on
the Isabel Fisher stationary, don't worry, you can keep it
because you're going to need it when you're with Conrad.

(49:44):
But when he comes. Wait, what did she write?
She's writing a thank you note to so I think their neighbor
that attended or Lucinda, like Taylor's mom.
She's just thanking them for coming or for planning the
bridal shower. And then Conrad comes and he
she's like, are you OK? He's like, no, but she knows

(50:06):
him. And then she goes to see in the
gasp when she saw the blood was so dramatic, but loving him was
red. And then yeah, everything about
that scene so close to the book,just like the Peaches scene
really. I, I saw a video with I, I keep
getting like the full like 10 audio for like chapters of that

(50:26):
book. And I listened to it and it was
almost exactly the same. Like all the dialogue, the the
small actions of her helping him, it was all the same and all
thought playing was crazy. Oh my gosh it's so interesting.
I feel like shows very rarely put the same song twice for a

(50:52):
really emotionally charged scene.
And this was the exact same songthey chose for their moment in
season 1, right where they're watching the fireworks from the
dock. Yes, and they also have an
almost kiss. Was it the same part of the song
too? I don't remember.
I don't think it was. I feel like this verse was very,
very specific to them, but I don't remember for the other one

(51:19):
for the first scene. But that's also the first Taylor
song since You're Losing Me and You're Losing Me.
Obviously. It's like her heartbeat and then
Belly's like clutching her heartand her her heartbeat is back.
So I was like, she hasn't felt anything since that moment.
I think, yeah, it was amazing. They have a close-ups.

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I was like, should I leave? This is so like intimate.
My 1 criticism is why would he not be wearing a wet suit like.
I know, and he's always wearing a wet suit when he's.
Yeah. He yeah.
Almost even he almost always wears one and then even there's

(52:00):
a scene where they're about to go and like he has his own and
Jeremiah has his like roll down because he's showering, but it's
like they always wear wet suits.It's just.
Yes, just for dramatiques, I think they could have shown that
he cut his foot on coral or something, because that's a very
real issue for surfers who even are wearing wet suits.
I think the upper thigh was justso intimate.

(52:22):
They had to, they had to sneak that and they're like, they
don't care. No one cares about this except
Benji. That's it.
They were so good, though. I was, I was like, I felt
unwell, Dang it. Same.
I was watching. So I just came back from Italy,
as you know. And so my friend Sarah and I

(52:44):
were watching in bed at like 8:00 PM in our hotel room, like
in bed. And we were like, yes.
And then they didn't. It was so she was.
She wanted it. She was looking at his lips.
So. Bad the whole time and then he
he was like the belly and she's like what?
She's looking at his lips and he's like, I think I'm going to

(53:05):
go upstairs and take a nap. And she was like, should you
like she she was trying for it when he was he he was just so
out of it. He didn't even realize.
But I also think neither of themactually, she probably would in
that moment, but I don't think that they would have kissed like

(53:25):
I would say they both have a Conrad has a good moral compass.
Belly did make out with Jeremiahon his car, so I can't say the
same for her. But I'm glad that they didn't
kiss because then it it makes her just as bad as him in a way.
But yeah, it was steamy. But dude, if you went for it,

(53:49):
she would have been down. Oh.
Absolutely. It's a good thing he was like
dealing with his blood loss. Otherwise, Jeremiah would have
been an uncle. Yes.
I just love the dramatics after when she was just like sitting
there, like legs open mind you. I know she's like.
Exactly. He.

(54:12):
Gagged him and it it's that's usually at the end of every
episode. So I was like, for once the
tables our turn. But yeah, it was a great choice,
like bringing back False God andalso that being the first Taylor
song since You're Losing me. It was very intentional for
sure. Yeah, definitely.

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And then we got 2 in this episode, I think.
Yes, maybe. Maybe it was more than.
That love of my life. And what was the other one?
Yeah, the other one was. Robin.
Robin. Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's true
2 And weren't they both about Conrad?
Why? Why was she thinking of Robin?

(54:53):
They. Were I guess Lamo was when she's
like crying in bed after the beach and then Robin was during
the flashback when the boys are in the arcade and then she goes
and plays. With the Unicorn.
Oh my God. And that's the glass Unicorn
that was he was at the end of season 2 when he was putting her
room back. He was putting the glass Unicorn

(55:14):
on like, I forget. It was like a shelf for her.
Yeah. OK.
Episode 7 I have. No, I'm so excited.
All right, episode 7 Juno. What do you want to talk about?
Juno? Juno by Sabrina Carter opens the
episode. It's funny because that song is
literally about wanting a man toimpregnate you.

(55:37):
I know, and right after the bathtub scene, meanwhile.
But then she's saying like the the moment with me and Conrad is
a is history. Girl, you're lying to yourself.
She's saying that while she's like staring at his cut.
No, she's so down bad. I would be down bad too if the

(55:58):
guy I'm not supposed to be thinking about is there with
like fresh picked flowers from his mother's garden.
Like he he was giving husband. He's been giving husband the
whole time. They've been literally playing
house together the entire summer.
But yeah, she was just delusional when she was like
convincing herself like, yeah, this is just this is just

(56:19):
history. It's just old feelings coming
up. But yeah, I wrote in my notes,
not her looking at his cut and getting horny because I was
like, stop looking at it. You're being weird.
And he even looked at her and. Was like.
What are you looking at over there?
Oh, belly bad. And right after when she was

(56:41):
like Jeremiah's coming, Jeremiaharrived and then he had boxes
and Conan immediately is like, oh, I'll get that for you.
And he picks up her box like it's just second nature for him.
And then she's she's had a second.
She was just, she noticed that because he always has done that,
but she noticed it and she was like, no, that doesn't mean
anything. No, but we saw it.

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We've been waiting for this. I feel like that moment on the
beach is actually like the climax for the book in my
opinion. But we'll get to that later.
My. OK, yeah, we'll get to that
'cause I have, I have some questions I wanna ask you about
that scene. But OK, So what happens before
that scene? So it's basically like their

(57:24):
bachelor Bachelorette party episode.
Yes, Bachelorette. Also, Annika saying Conrad's hot
and it would made me think of like, you know, before Jeremiah
told him he should hook up with her.
And even later on that episode, Stevens, like, there's a lot of
beautiful girls here and Conrad's like, no, I'm good.
Like he knows that nothing's gonna change how he feels about

(57:47):
her. But when Annika said like, oh,
I'd make a move if it wasn't your ex and she was like, no, go
for it. And then immediately her face
drops. I was like, you love this man.
I saw the rehearsal dance. We did not need that.
I'm sorry it lasted so long too.It was like, why are we watching
this entire thing? Also put Conrad out of his

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misery. He was struggling.
He hated it. He was like, I need to stop this
wedding so I don't have to do that dance.
I think that's why he told Bellyhis feelings.
He was like. Like really, just Get Me Out of
this dance. Exactly.
No, it was a hard watch, but I made a note because, you know,
they were like smoking and stufflike someone brought weed for

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them to smoke and like Jeremiah was also like, you know, I'll
finally relax, whatever. And we know how belly feels
about smoking since the first episode of season 1.
And so even like. Oh, what happened in season.
One well, Conrad is smoking by the pool like that first night.
Oh yeah, And she makes it this whole fuss about, like you said,
all this stuff. Like, I think you shouldn't

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smoke. And he hasn't smoked since.
So I thought that was a very cute nod to it.
When I think Red Bird or Jeremiah, they were saying
something to Conrad, like, oh, do you want one?
He's like, I'm good. I actually, I quit smoking a
long time ago because Belle asked him to.
And it, Oh my, you know, Belle doesn't want Jeremi smoking, but

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he still obviously does stuff. So I was just like, it's another
demonstration of, yeah, it's just such a better choice for
him. Yeah.
Mm hmm. Wow no did not notice that.
OK red bird like what is going on?
He was honestly giving like jealous of belly vibes a little

(59:36):
bit I thought like. Well, there's a theory that
because Red Bird is gay, so there's a theory that Jeremiah
will end up with Red Bird, whichI'm here for it, sure.
Yeah, I'm here for it. Whatever who I like.
I literally don't give a shit who Jeremiah ends up with.
I don't care. I don't care.
How do you feel? Because in that scene also like
Taylor and Steven, like I don't even know how I feel about them

(59:57):
anymore because. Taylor and Steven.
Yeah, I feel like it's just at least she is not in a place
where she can be in a healthy relationship and they clearly
care about each other. But yeah, I have no idea.
Like what's going to happen withthem.
I feel like most likely they won't.
Either. But hopefully Taylor, just like

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I. Don't know how they're going to
do it. Yeah, it's interesting, 'cause
like I, I actually really love Denise and I love Denise for
Steven and I think they're a great match and I love seeing
like a power couple like that where he, he obviously thinks
she's so smart and like she, they, they just have so much in

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common. Yeah.
And so I, I've really loved watching their relationship
blossom. But then at the same time, I'm
like, I just, I, I just like always have this affinity for
like first loves and stuff and shows.
And so I'm like, oh, part of me still wants Steven to get back
with Taylor, but maybe with the time jump that comes with like

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between Jeremiah and Conrad, like after the wedding blows up,
which it better after that happens.
And then before whatever happensat the end, maybe during that
same time jump, there'll be enough time that passes between
Steven and Taylor and they can like maybe reconnect.
I don't know. Part of me is rooting for them,
but I'm so split because I really do like Denise.

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That's how I feel too. I feel like him and Denise make
a lot of sense, and they're very, like, jokey together and
there's no drama. But obviously he still has a
soft spot for her and she's trying to be OK with it.
Yeah. So yeah, I think we'll see.
But I also like. I don't really know how it's
going to end. Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, I also made a note, like Conrad's being so cool about
everything. Like he's stronger than me.
Like even when he saw Jeremiah, he was like excited to see him
and he was like enthusiastic about the plan.
He's cleaning around and everything and him and Belly are
the ones like taking care of people.
Like they're cleaning up. But it kind of was weird too

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when Red Bird broke of broke oneof their hurricane vases that
Belly was like, oh, Conrad said I'll clean it up.
And then Belly said, oh, no, it's OK, Jeremiah and I will
clean it up. And Jeremiah give her a look
like why like. Why should we be the ones to
clean it? Up, I know.
So that was like a strange moment, but I was like Conrad's

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being such a good sport about doing this, like stupid dance
and like, you know, entertainingall of these drunk people
because he's also like being theDD But yeah, when Jeremiah said
come sit next to me, I wrote hurling myself off of my
balcony. I would rather die than see them
have sex. Like absolutely not.

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So we don't even need to talk about that because it was
disgusting. But one thing from that scene is
they were talking about like, oh, like we should meet up after
where? And they were both like where
should we meet? And at the same time Jeremiah
says pool and she says beach. And I instantly was like the
first place where she kissed both of them because she had her

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first kiss with Jeremiah in the pool and she had her first kiss
with with Conrad on the beach atthe end of season 1 and belly
picked beach. So I thought that was
interesting and it made me thinkmore my beach series.
Like very simple. I'm definitely hyping it up.
But I was just like, I feel likeall of their pivotal moments,

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her and Conrad have always happened at the beach.
Like the first kiss, he finally confessed his feelings.
They were like honest with each other, snow on the beach when
they went to cousins during the winter and like it was snowing
and it was like the her her first time that day.
The whole like confrontation at the the like house selling

(01:03:52):
party. I thought you knew.
I thought you knew he gave him his award.
That was such a good scene. They were both.
I was so emotional for that scene too.
I think they did a great job with it.
But I was also like, she clearlyhas always want to get married
at the beach too. So it's like, this is what he
represents for her. And Jeremiah's the pool.

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I guess she's like pool. She does her night swims there.
But I just thought that was a cute like this or that moment
where there's been other metaphors earlier in the season,
like when he was saying, oh, butyou never would have found
sports psychology or a sports therapy or.
And she was like, yeah, but I think I would have come around

(01:04:33):
to it eventually. So it's like those small things
where I was like, that definitely means more than what
they're saying right now. Yes, you're so right.
And yeah, there's been, I don't think we've seen any like real
scenes between Belly and Conrad when they're both in the pool.

(01:04:54):
Like there's been some conversations at the pool, but
he's never in the pool. But I do feel like there are a
lot of conversations and a lot of scenes between Belly and
Jeremiah and like the delicate scene.
Delicate scene. The first Swift Taylor Swift
song for Jeremiah too, yes. That's right, yeah.
That was so pin. I know I was.

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Like you got delicate Taylor's version.
No, no, no, that also, where is it?
We're never going to get reputation, but it's fine.
Oh yeah, no, we're not. We're never sure.
It's been hundreds of millions of power.
Never recorded it. No, but yeah, that's why I was
like, yeah, Jeremiah is the pool, Conrad is the beach.

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And yes, yes. And then they have the beach
confrontation later that day, soit's like all full surf.
Yeah, and he was just magically already at the beach.
I know, yeah. She didn't even have to say like
he was supposed to meet Jeremiah, but he was there.
Yeah, it actually that also reminds me of so so that her and

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Jeremiah saying different words and then her going to the beach
and Conrad just magically being there.
It reminds me of what you told me in our last episode together
at the end of Season 2 when they're studying all night for
Conrad's final and she's like, tossing them.
The. Burgers and then Jeremiah keeps
like fumbling them, but then Conrad doesn't even have to look
up and he captures. It that was so hot.

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Like that was, it's kind of a itwas that's kind of a parallel of
like she is never really In Syncwith Jeremiah, but then with
Conrad, it's just so effortless.They don't even need to say
anything. He's like, oh, she's cold.
He'll give it to her. And same.
Like when he says something, she's like, she knows how he
really feels. Except when it really matters.

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She has no idea how he really feels.
Like when your mom dies. Like, I wonder why he broke up
with me. Maybe because his mom's dying.
But yeah, they're just so In Sync.
And it showed, too, in, like, Michael's like, he's so
enthusiastic about what she's doing.
Like, he doesn't trivialize it like Jeremiah does.
So. Yeah, I love it.

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Also, Conrad, I made a note. Conrad looks especially good at
the bar. If Belly doesn't want him, me
and Isaac will share him. I don't care.
Like she's buckling him. They're they're giving him the
full, like Bridgerton, like googly eyes makeover the season.
And I'm here for it. As you should, really.
Yeah. Well, we'll get it.

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We'll get it eventually, I believe.
I believe too, but also very sidebar Laurel and I forget
Belly's dad's name, but that's apassionate kiss.
Dude. My theory is that they're going
to get married instead of Belly and Jeremiah.
Yes I saw that theory too that the wedding is going to be Co
opted by her mom which is very ala Mamma Mia.

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Yes, very Mamma Mia. And also I feel like her and
John, like their dynamic this season has been really sweet.
Like they they acknowledge like problems they had in the past.
But also he showed that he really knows her.
He's like, oh, did you forget about that?
But then she was like, no, I never forgot.
And they like talked about it. But yeah, they've been having

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sweet moments. So I'm like, they're not going
to just put that there for nothing.
Hopefully, Yeah. But we'll see.
I want to talk about the beach scene.
Yes, finally. OK, so obviously very dramatic.
We finally get Conrad's confession that he still loves
her and she kind of shuts him down.
She says you will never be what Jer is to me.

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He loves me no matter what and he doesn't take it away when
things get hard. What did you make of that?
What were your thoughts on the exchange and Belly's reaction?
I thought she was really harsh because she was being defensive
because she knows she knows thathe's right in a lot of ways.

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Like even if they stayed together, like they could have
just moved in, they could have done this or that.
What's the rush to get married? And that's what her mom has been
saying this whole time, 'cause her mom knows the situation very
well. But I thought it was very harsh.
I think the a big reason Season 2, I was like, I won't say

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happy, but at peace with her choosing Jeremiah.
It's because I think she was in a very vulnerable place,
vulnerable place after Susanna where she just wanted someone to
be there for her. And Jeremiah was that like he
was like consistent and she had been this like back and forth
Conrad. But I don't think it excuses

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when he messes up like he cheated on you twice and she
didn't see, but in a bar like hewasn't ashamed about it too.
He was like, kind of like eatingit up at the attention, like he
was kind of like proud of it in a way.
Which was really. Yeah, his reaction was actually
disgusting. Yeah.
And so I think it's not fair at all for her to say that.

(01:09:58):
Like, yeah, her and Conrad had big issues.
And Conrad had to deal with a lot to, you know, become the
person he is now and like, go totherapy and deal with all of
that. But just like she said, like you
don't know me anymore, which I don't think is true.
Like she doesn't even know all the steps that he's taken.
I think she actually has becausehe told her like I've been in

(01:10:19):
therapy, but it's not fair for her to say that he treated her
worse than Jeremiah. I just don't think that's true
at. Yes, that was so unfair.
I totally. Agree.
You look so hurt. I know, I know.
I think it was so unfair for herto say that about Conrad.
I do think it is a little fair. Like I, I think her trauma

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coming out of her relationship with Conrad was that he's so hot
and cold. That's so and Jeremiah's just
like always there and like he's always, I guess maybe hot is the
right like in the hot and cold analogy.
And so I did think it was like in my first watch, I was like,
OK, this is fair that she feels this way because she's just

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reacting to the trauma that Conrad gave her when they broke
up. And like they're the the biggest
issue in their relationship was that like he never shared his
what he was going through with her.
And so she just interpreted thatas like he didn't feel strongly
about her. But then when I was watching
again, I was like, I kind of feel like she's maybe just lying

(01:11:27):
to herself. Like, kind of like you said,
she's just trying to justify to herself why she's still with
Jeremiah. Because then you see, when she
storms away from Conrad after he's no longer in her line of
sight, she just like, drops to the ground and starts sobbing.
And I'm like, oh, this is how you actually feel about Conrad

(01:11:48):
saying that to you, not what yousaid to him.
This is the true feeling. You just like don't know what to
do and you are suddenly realizing everything you could
have had with him. It's like she can't deny it
anymore because he what she's been feeling, she knows it's
been reciprocated. And also it never even went away
for him. So like, yeah, the crash out is
so valid and the timing, she's right.

(01:12:10):
Like the timing is super fucked for him to stay super fucked the
night before she gets married orthe day before she gets married.
But yeah, I think she was reallyharsh on him.
And you can't compare. You can't really compare the two
things. Like, he was like, I never even

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looked at another girl when I was with you.
And she doesn't even know. He hasn't looked at one since.
Yeah. So she doesn't even know the
whole story. But this is the first time he
ever said I love you to her. But it like, it came out of him.
Like he's been holding it in forso long.
He's said that he loved her he since he told Jeremiah, like

(01:12:53):
when he asked for kind of his blessing to date her for the
first time. So yeah, I think they did a
great job with it. And that Conrad's reaction was
so good when he realized she knew he was like, what the fuck
belly? Like what are you doing?
Because he knows her so well andhe knows like regardless of what

(01:13:13):
she says. But yeah, I thought it they did
a really good job. I can't wait to watch it again
later and like I'm sure I'll pick up things I didn't see the
first time. But if I could go back a little
bit. When Belly finds out that Conrad
was the one who told her mom shewas spiraling like she looked

(01:13:35):
because she had a feeling already.
Because Taylor was like, I'm notthe one who talked to her.
And she didn't even have to ask Jeremiah.
She knew Jeremiah didn't talk toher.
So her reaction, she was like, Oh my God, what do you mean?
And she said Conan was always looking out for me.
Maybe after all this time, he still is right Before she asked

(01:13:55):
him if he did. But yeah, I forget what he said.
It was his reason. But he was like, it's important
to you. So, you know, of course I talked
to her, but I don't know. I don't even know what convinced
her. He was still kind of like coy
about it. But oh, yeah, he said you should
have had everything that you've ever pictured.
And she's sick. Yes, she's she's always wanted

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her, Wanted him. Yeah, 'cause that's, that's
exactly what she says. Like I always pictured Conrad.
They, they chose the wording very carefully to be like you
should have what you always pictured.
And then she says I always. Picture she's like, give me that
gummy tailor, she's sick to her stomach and we have the weekend
we friends montage. Yeah, yeah, she said it's not my

(01:14:41):
dream wedding when she said thatto Taylor.
And then I've only pictured Conrad, so it's the same
wording. Oh yeah.
I made a note about I said OMG, Lacey Barone, Conrad is about to
murder Jeremiah. Conrad is standing in the
doorway. Also, Jeremiah's throw up
sounded so real. He's a horrible actor, but he
ate that up. It was so gross, you know, like

(01:15:01):
I was actually gagging. Like he's lucky though, because
he was about to get beat up for sure.
And it it's so good Steven wasn't there.
Because if Steven found out I was.
Thinking about that, he will. He will for sure.
But Oh my God, Steven would not have forgiven Jeremiah.
I cannot wait for him to find out.

(01:15:23):
No, and I think Steven still knows.
Conrad still loves Belly. Steven was Team Conrad at the
end of Season 2. That was him and Taylor's first
fight. But yeah, I would love to re.
What are we read the scene on the beach, But I'm sure it's

(01:15:44):
very similar. There was like a specific thing
that was said that was exactly what was in the book.
The thing when he was giving herthe confession, there's a
specific thing that he said fromthe book that I was like, yeah,
they kept as close to the original material.
But yeah, next, the next day is going to be crazy for sure.

(01:16:07):
I cannot wait. I cannot wait.
And the fact that that was the not even the end of the episode,
like there is still a little bitafter.
Yeah. Her going to the room, she sees
Jeremiah and she's like, I don'teven want to sleep here.
She goes to Taylor. I cannot sleep next to this
child. Yeah.
And then she goes and sleeps in her own room next to Taylor.

(01:16:29):
And then I think what they showed at the very end was that
she was about to knock on her wall and does that does she?
Oh, she did. Knock.
I thought it was Conrad on the other side, and then there was
no answer because Conrad was at the dock.
But actually Jeremiah's room is on the other side.
And so her knocking like that used to be like something they

(01:16:51):
do as kids to see if the other person was still awake or if
they're already up. Maybe they would do in the
morning, and they do it like late at night just to see.
But so the idea is that her knocking and that there be no
answer is that it's just like a like a symbol of the
relationship. Like maybe she should rethink
marrying him because she's president and he's not.

(01:17:12):
But I thought that was just, like, interesting that that
wasn't even that The scene on the beach wasn't in the episode.
There was still, like, a little bit more after.
I don't think there's anything else, though, besides the
knocking. Yeah.
Well, Conrad at the dock, holding his heart.
Oh, my God, yeah. No, literally he was like, if

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Jeremiah had answered, what do you think?
What is it? Do you think they would have,
like, chatted? I 'cause I'm wondering if she
was reaching out to, like, maybehave a talk and like, I don't
know. I don't think she would have
ended things that night. But yeah, just like what was her
goal with that? I think it's it's actually not a
thing about like he hasn't been present the whole season.

(01:17:56):
So it could be also a symbol of that.
Maybe it could have changed things.
Maybe they would have at least, you know, talked about things
that night and she'd feel betterabout it.
Not that he's still not, not that he's a better choice for
her. But yeah, it seemed like she
just, he's not there when he needs her.

(01:18:17):
So which is kind of interesting because she's saying that about
Conrad. But then when you think about
it, at least since then, he's always been there when she needs
him, even when she doesn't need to ask.
So yeah. But it was sad.
It was sad. And it made me feel good that
Jeremiah was sick because I feltsick to my stomach this whole
season. So it's about time.

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This season's like every single Wednesday, I would turn into a
crazy person. I know same.
I feel like I'm like 16 years old.
I know I'm like, I'm just not, I'm I'm really not ready for the
next episode. Like what's gonna happen?
Also, Adam and Kaylee is like another.
Oh my God, we didn't even talk about that so.

(01:19:02):
And also Conrad's face when he found out he was like and he was
about to say something, but Jeremiah stopped him because the
whole time the only person who knew besides obviously Laurel
and Susanna was Conrad. And then he told Belly, which I
thought was another like secret that he's had, which Laurel

(01:19:22):
called out, but he was about to go sassy Conrad on Adam's ass.
Like if Jeremiah didn't say anything, he would have.
Also, Adam has just been an extra Dick this whole season.
Like the whole last episode whenhe was like, got to be the steak
rare with the blue cheese. I was like, girl, shut up, no

(01:19:43):
one likes you. Yeah.
No one likes him. Like he's so annoying.
But then him and Jeremiah are always like In Sync, which is
weird because then he's so obviously favors Conran, which
it's showed since the beginning.But there have been theories
like it's because Conrad is who he wants to be and Jeremiah is a

(01:20:05):
reminder of who he actually is. And I'm just like, damn.
I can see that, I can see that. I don't know how Conrad turned
out the way he is with a dad like that.
Yeah, Didn't he say something? Oh, it was actually in the book.
I saw a video with audio from the book and it was basically
like he was realizing like in certain ways he was like his

(01:20:26):
father. And then I think maybe he had
some like come to God moment when he realized that he didn't
want to become him. So he was like unlearning that.
That was from the book. I I always saw it from TikTok.
Maybe it was an earlier book or something from from the third
book, I don't remember. But yeah, I thought that was
interesting. Also Conrad, like confessing to

(01:20:48):
them that he got fired. I was like, that was so hard for
him to do. He's so eldest daughter coded.
I know he is OK Anything, anything important that you
wanted to cover from your notes before we wrap?
I think there's nothing else except that we're back to Conrad
only having Taylor Swift songs, which I'm here for, definitely.

(01:21:10):
Yes, definitely here for that. OK, Speaking of Taylor Swift, so
now I just, I made a note of a few Easter eggs that I either
noticed or read about on Reddit.OK OK #1 so Speaking of Taylor
Swift, the scene in I think it'sepisode 4 when she and Jeremiah

(01:21:35):
are in the pool. Like making fun of how Conrad
said that they are being ridiculous.
Yeah. So someone pointed this out that
it's an allusion to Gorgeous by Taylor Swift when she says you
should take it as a compliment that I got drunk and made fun of
the way you talk. Oh, so maybe that's a parallel.

(01:21:59):
I don't know. I don't know, but that's a maybe
it could be. The second one is 1 that I
noticed, which is that in her dorm.
So when when they show the flashback where she's watching
Bye Bye Birdie with her mom, I was like, oh, I feel like I saw
Bye Bye Birdie in another place and I went back and you can

(01:22:19):
actually see it on her dorm. I think it's her door.
She has a bye Bye birdie poster there so like she always keeps a
reminder of bye bye Birdie and ergo Conrad wherever she is.
Oh, that's such a good point. They're oh, OK, the song When

(01:22:39):
the Party's Over by Billie Eilish.
So the I guess like male versionof that played in this episode,
but I think that the Billie version played in an episode
from season one or two when it was Bellies.
It might have been after the I thought you knew scene.
Yeah, that's true. I was because I was thinking

(01:23:00):
like, why is it the male version?
Didn't it play after the beach scene when she like calls her
mom think? So yeah.
I need to double check that. Yeah, I'm not sure, but I, yeah,
I've I've also thought about that during.
Another song call back. Yeah.
OK. And then this is one that I saw
on Instagram from the creator book be Danny.

(01:23:23):
So you know that classic summer I turned pretty poster from
season 3 where it's like a remake of the Sabrina poster
with Aubrey Hepburn and she's being kissed by Jeremiah and her
head is like tilted towards him.But then Conrad and she's and
she she's like looking at the camera.
Conrad's looking at her. OK, this creator pointed out

(01:23:48):
that the version that's up in Times Square right now is a
different photo and actually sheis no longer pointing her chin
at Jeremiah. She's like it's pointed down now
and she is looking at Conrad. So in the original she's looking
for it and her Chin's pointed atJeremiah, but in the new one her
chin is down and she's looking at Conrad and then Jeremiah is

(01:24:11):
no longer kissing her. He's just like close to kissing
her. So she's like slowly
transitioning. Turning towards oh wait, that's.
Yes. That's cool, that's a really
good one. I didn't see that poster.
Then I have to look up what the the updated poster looks like.
Yeah, I'll send you, I'll send you that Instagram post.
Yeah. OK.

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And then the last one is, I didn't catch this, but I saw
some articles about it. So in one of the episodes they
talk about, I think when she andLaurel are looking at old photos
before Susanna's dedication, Laurel brings up how Conrad had

(01:24:53):
convinced her that eating a lot of carrots would like do
something good. I don't I don't remember exactly
what it was, but she was like, oh, remember when Conrad
convinced you that eating a bunch of carrots, blah, blah,
blah. And in her in the wedding dream
book that Taylor brings out to show belly like what she had
planned for her dream wedding. There was a carrot cake in that

(01:25:15):
in that thing is. That Imagine that's your
favorite cake, always. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. So I think that was also to show
that like she always had pictured.
Yeah. Marian Conrad.
And she makes it clear every episode she says it, we're like,
yeah, we know. So do it.
Yeah, we got it. Wow.

(01:25:35):
Yeah. The Bye Bye Birdie scene was so
sweet. What she's singing in the mirror
and it's called. She's not singing to Conrad from
Bye Bye Birdie. She's singing to her Conrad.
Yeah. It was so cute.
It's like OK. Little belly's so cute.
She's so cute and the one who's playing Conrad looks like him,
like the hair. I know, I feel.
Like both look like each other actually.

(01:25:57):
They do. Yeah, they do.
That was a cute scene with the glass Unicorn, too, where he was
like, where were you? But yeah, I love all the
flashbacks. I feel like it's like super
sweet. It reminds me of, like the first
season 2, like the nostalgia piece of it where it was all
flashbacks to her growing up in the cousin's house.
Yeah. OK, so shall we rate the season

(01:26:23):
so far? Yes.
What would you I forget my rating before.
I think maybe I did like 8.5 last time, but I'll say right
now I'm like it's a 99.5 for me.I've like especially the last
three episodes. I'm like I cannot wait for the
next episode. They just need to release it now
because it's been so good. The momentum has built every

(01:26:47):
single one. And so now I'm like, let's have
this wedding right now because Iwant to see what happens.
What about you? Yeah, I'm with you.
I would give it a nine, I think for both entertainment value and
for quality. I must say 9 for entertainment
just because I'm literally hooked.

(01:27:08):
I, I told you this before we started recording, but yappers
for those of you who don't know.So I just got back from Italy,
like I said, and I'm super jet lagged right now and I was up at
2:00 AM and you best believe I watched this episode when I woke
up at 2:00 AM in my bed on my phone.
So that's how hooked I am. And then for quality, I I do

(01:27:31):
think like it. It's really holding up.
There are so many Easter eggs. You can tell that she's put a
lot of thought into how to set up the season.
And. Yeah, yeah.
And the acting's gotten so good.Like, I really, yeah.
No complaints. Same here, I'm and.
If I get the result I want then the score can go up, but if I

(01:27:53):
don't, 0. OK.
And now it's time for our final segment, which is binge in
progress. You can talk about any source of
media, entertainment, whatever that you have been consuming
lately. So, Aliana, what have you been
binging? Besides Summer Turn Pretty, I've

(01:28:14):
been watching Gossip Girl just because I've watched it so many
times before and like I can haveit in the background if I don't
want to, like pay attention too closely.
So I've been watching it and we're in the middle right now of
Blair and Serena at their Yale face off.
And I was just like, it was messy.
And Isaac has seen me watching and he's like, Blair is such a

(01:28:36):
bitch. I'm like, you don't understand.
She's the best. It's early days.
But also Serena sucks too. Like don't don't worry.
I keep watching and Isaac and I started watching.
It's an old show, True DetectiveI think with Matthew
McConaughey. So I just watched the first
episode but I think I'm gonna keep watching it cuz he really

(01:28:56):
recommends it. So we'll see but I'm looking for
a new binge. Also I saw The Oxford Year and I
wanna challenge you about that. I have to watch your episode cuz
I just watched it but I saw another like ROM comedy movie
just came out that Madeline Klein is in.
It's like the map that leads to you.

(01:29:18):
Maybe you should add it to your schedule.
I saw that too. I don't know if you've watched
it, but I feel like that'll be like an easy binge because it's
just a movie and it's Madeline Klein and KJ Oppa are two like
really big actors from like the young adult TV series scene.
Oh, OK, yeah, maybe we'll maybe we'll cover that.

(01:29:39):
Nice. What about you?
So since I've been traveling, I haven't really been binging
anything else, but on the plane ride back, my friend Sarah and I
watched the full New Heights episode where Taylor announces
the life of A. Show Oh I have, I still haven't
listened to it. It was good, it was good.
I must say I've like lost a tinybit of my swiftiness over the

(01:30:02):
last year and a half because I think just torture post
department was not my album. And like I have also been
feeling a little conflicted about how she's like pushing
other women off the charts, which we I I won't get into that
on this on this episode. But I think watching that
episode of new heights, seeing her and Travis interact, seeing

(01:30:24):
her talk about her new album, I think just brought me back a
little bit and I'm really excited for this album.
I think she really took the feedback she got from the
tortured post department and shehas kind of addressed in that
episode, she kind of addressed everything I hated about the
album, which is that it just felt like a really long,

(01:30:46):
unedited catharsis, but not really like a cohesive album for
fans. And she's like, my goal for Life
of a Showgirl is to make a cohesive album, just like a
bunch of earworms that are so like, have a really good
storytelling. And she's brought back Maximart.

(01:31:08):
Yes, which is huge. Produced a lot of her songs, yes
huge. A lot of her songs on Red 1989
and Reputation and I am so excited for a life of a show.
Oh yeah. I thought like, I'm like, so
ready for her to come back to the Not Jack Antonoff songs
because I think, like, you know,they're great together, but

(01:31:29):
like, there's been a lot of that.
Yeah. So I'm just so.
Excited a nice change. No I agree.
I was excited when I saw that isn't Max Martin.
He also has worked a lot with Ariana Grande on her.
Yes. He actually did.
We can't be friends. Oh my God, we're not ready, but
I'm excited. It's a same.
It's funny 'cause I have some friends that are big Swifties.
They're like, I love TTPD, like TTPD is my favorite album or

(01:31:51):
like top three. And I just, I didn't really
resonate with it. There's songs that I like from
it, but even like I wasn't like super attached to any song, but
I think this needs to happen. This reminds me of like when I
was in high school and I had my big breakup with my high school
boyfriend and my anthology project was all poetry about it.
And I was like I said explicitlylike this is all real.

(01:32:15):
Like this is exactly what she did.
She was like, this is her processing the breakup and she
put it out into the world and she probably that's what she
needed at the time. So I'm excited for it.
I'm excited for the theme. I think it's like so fun.
And yeah, it's the same like I feel like our swiftiness was out

(01:32:36):
of peak because like Eras Tour, like all different mashups and
stuff, but it's time for some new music.
I'm excited just based off like the titles of the songs and the
Sabrina feature, which will be great.
And Sabrina's, the album comes out super soon and I'm really
excited for that too. It's like either this Friday or
next Friday really soon. OK cool.

(01:32:57):
I'm super excited for that too. But yes, yay.
All right. Well, Alyana, thank you so, so
much for covering the summer. I turn pretty.
The fans love you. I'm so happy you're here and
excited to chat about our last set of episodes, which will
happen after episode 11 comes out.

(01:33:17):
Like as soon as it's out, I'll stay up.
I'm like so ready and I don't know what's going to come next.
I have a feeling. But if you know, you know, to
the fans, the letter is going tocome up soon and I'm not ready
for it. So they were already setting
that up from end of season 2. So Oh my God, buckle your seat,

(01:33:39):
OK? I don't know what that's about,
but I'm ready. You're ready.
OK, Thanks for yapping with us. If you love this episode, have
some hot takes we missed, or if you've got a show you're dying
for us to binge next, follow us on socials we're at, Binge Yapp,
Repeat. Until next time, happy bingeing.

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