August 28, 2025 • 55 mins
This week we’re yapping about one of the most infamous true crime sagas of the 2000s: the Amanda Knox case. From the shocking murder in Perugia to the chaotic media frenzy and the years of trials, appeals, and retrials, we unpack how the story spiraled into a global spectacle. We dive into the sensational headlines, the frustrating arrest, and the way Amanda herself became a character in a twisted narrative she couldn’t control. Was this a case of justice gone wrong—or a reminder of how easily public opinion can become its own court? Grab your espresso (or wine) because this is a ride through scandal, spin, and the strange blur between fact and fiction.
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Welcome back yappers to another episode of Binge Yap Repeat.
Today we are diving into the newHulu series The Twisted Tale of
Amanda Knox, a narrative show that goes through the Amanda
Knox case from Amanda's perspective.
We yap all about the police's fixation on Amanda, the evidence
they chose to ignore, and some insight into her story that we
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gleaned from her Call Her Daddy interview.
Buckle in, because this story iscrazy.
Let's get started. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.
And I'm Shalini and we're your hosts.
A binge, yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
an embarrassing amount of time binge watching TV, and honestly,
we just need to talk about it. If you're here, we're guessing
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you do too. Fair warning, this is a spoiler
friendly zone. We will be discussing lots of
spoilers, so if you haven't watched the show yet, hit pause,
go binge, and come back when you're ready to yap with us.
And now it's yap time. Bonjour, no ruchi, or should I
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say bonacera Michael Cera. That means good evening, as I
recently learned on my trip to Italy.
Oh, muy bien. Well, we're not speaking Italian
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because Sholini just came back from Italy.
We're speaking Italian because today's episode is about the
twisted tale of Amanda Knox, which is an American true crime
biographical drama miniseries. So Many Words that premiered on
Hulu on August 20th, and the episodes are coming out on a
rolling basis. So this particular episode for
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BYR is going to focus just on episodes one through 3.
So Toasted Tale of Amanda Knox is based on the true story of
Amanda Knox and her wrongful conviction in the murder of
Meredith Kercher while she was studying abroad in this town
called Perugia in Italy. Perugia.
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Perugia me this. Yeah.
Perugia what? Did you just say?
I think I said I'm sorry. I think we're like my bad.
Grazie. OK so before we get into overall
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thoughts. So I found out that the real
Amanda Knox is involved in the creation of Twisted tale of
Amanda Knox on Hulu along with another famous woman who had a
scandal around her name if you can guess.
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Monica Lewinsky. Yes.
No way. Yes.
Are you serious? I'm.
Serious Monica Lewinsky just guessed that is the executive
producer for Twisted Tale of Amanda Noggs.
Good for her. Yeah, good for you too.
Wow, way to guess that. Damn, you know what?
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It's because both of them were on Call Her Daddy and I listened
to both of those episodes. Oh, like recently.
No, Amanda Knox was several years ago, but I did re listen
to that for this episode. And then Monica Lewinsky was
very recent. It was like in the last two or
three months. Oh, OK, yeah, it's top of mind
for you then. OK, yeah.
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So how about let's do, let's do overall thoughts and we'll start
talking about the actual story. Yeah, OK.
Take it away, Shalini. So I am really enjoying watching
the show. Well, let me rephrase.
I think the show is brilliant. It's very difficult to watch.
Like just it feels so real. I think they've done a really
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good job of making you feel the anxiety and the panic that
Amanda was feeling at the time. And so it is a very stressful
watch, but I think it's so well done.
And I love the lead actress, Grace Van Patten.
I think her name is. I know her from Tell Me Lies,
which is another Hulu show. And she kind of she also plays
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this like college girl who like has an active dating life and,
you know, just kind of a similarcharacter.
I think she's done such a good job in the show.
And I also know her mom from what is that show called Bad
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Sisters? Have you seen that show?
I haven't, but I thought you were referring to like, Grace
Von Patton's mom. I was like, oh, I know her mom.
And I was like, you know, her mom.
OK, I tie with Miss Patton. Got it.
OK, the act. The character's mom.
Excuse me? Yes, the the actress who plays
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Edda Mellas I guess. Yes, who is Amanda Knox's mom?
That actress is an Irish actresswho is also in the TV show Bad
Sisters on Apple TV, which is one of the best shows of all
time I would say. Is that like a comedy show?
It's like, yeah, it's like a dark comedy.
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It's definitely hilarious, but it's also like quite dark.
I think you would really love it.
OK, I'm going to put it on my list to watch.
Great. But yeah, so I I really like all
of the actors on the show that I've seen so far.
And I think the way that they'relaying out the story is really
good. Actually, when I started it, I
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thought they were releasing, youknow, we both thought they were
releasing the whole season at 1:00.
So it was a surprise that they were releasing 1 episode at a
time, but the two episodes that they dropped the first week, I
was like, oh, is that all we're getting of this story?
And then I looked it up and I was like, Oh no, there's six
more episodes coming. So I think the the pacing is
really good and there's just so much that happens in each
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episode, which I'm really loving.
So yeah. Yeah, So going back to Grace Van
Patten's acting, I think it's like it's it's like so good that
I am irritated. But I also understand Amanda
Knox's whole. I don't, I don't want to say, I
don't want to say shtick, but like I understand the mentality
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and the mindset that she was in when she was going through all
of this. So I think it's good that she
brought a lot of life and she brought brings a lot of like my
naivete to the character that I personally find irritating.
But then I'm like, yeah, she's a20 year old girl, like in a
foreign country. Of course she would feel like
this. So I think like that, that is
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good. But it is a little bit hard to
watch because I'm like, Oh my God.
Like just ask for a translator God damn it.
Yeah, I know, I know. Like As for a lawyer, As for
translator. Oh, poor girl.
Yeah. OK.
Question for you, do you think that if Amanda had just admitted
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she didn't know Italian that well that most of this could
have been avoided or do you think she would have still been
in the same situation? I think she did kind of admit
that at some points, like she was like, I don't know what
you're saying. I don't know, I don't
understand. So I don't think it would have
been different. I think they just made-up their
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minds about her when they saw her kissing her boyfriend of
five days. And they, yeah, they just were
looking for reasons to convict her or to arrest her, I guess,
at this point. OK, yeah, because I do feel like
there are definitely some parts where, well, maybe this is more
about like the text message she was using was, wait, did she say
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this in the text message where she messaged Patrick Lumumba and
she was like, see you later. Was that in Italian or was that
in English? She wrote it in Italian.
OK, yeah, I see. So then it's like, yeah, OK, I
guess it doesn't make sense. But yeah, I think there or it
was portrayed that a lot of the words that she used in Italian
kind of were used against her. That one being the key example,
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which is of course not her fault, like none of it was her
fault. But that one being the key
example of like, OK girl like just use English and then they
can't use your bad Italian against you.
Yeah. But I do think that wouldn't
have changed anything because I think the reason she ultimately
like, quote UN quote confessed or, you know, gave them
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Patrick's name was because they were just, they were like
literally harassing her and justlike intimidating her.
And so I think the only thing that would have changed is if
she had a lawyer in the room, then they wouldn't have gotten
away with as much. And then she would have been
able to keep her head on her shoulders a little bit better
and just, like, stay grounded and not just like panicked and
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given them a name. So that's that's really the only
thing I think could have been different, but I don't know.
Yeah. And then do you think that her
giving Patrick's name was a racething on her part or do you
think it was a race thing on thepolice's part?
Because I think I was glad to see that there was more rioting
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around why Patrick was in prison.
Because I totally agree. I was like, Patrick was nowhere
near this. Even the crime barely even knew
this girl. Why is his name even being put
out there? He is so tangentially related.
So I was happy to see that therewas rioting around him being in
prison in the third episode. But also I was like, so this is
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a race thing. I guess it depends on what you
mean by race thing. I think the the reason they
looked at him was because they knew that there was the hair of
a man of African descent in Meredith's room.
And so I think they were just like looking for men of African
descent. And he was like one that
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happened to know Amanda. So then they just kind of
fixated on that. Then they found her text to him
and they're like, Oh, yeah, they, they kind of like just put
these puzzle pieces together that weren't, weren't real.
So I guess like that led them there, but I don't think it was
because he was black. Like, I don't, OK.
It didn't strike me like it was a racist thing.
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It, it just struck me that they were like, oh, great.
Well, there's an African guy, like it's probably him.
Oh, let's look for the evidence that points to that.
And then I don't think her saying his name was racist
either. I I think, I don't think it was
really. I think they were just like
feeding that name to her over and over again.
And she was like, OK, maybe it was him, you know?
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Yeah. OK, yeah, I forgot about the the
hair being found from the African American guy.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.How did you feel about the
ending of Episode 3 where it waskind of like, oh, the police are
feeding her the story all over again and she's getting
flustered all over again? Oh my God, It was like the same
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thing again. Actually, you know what?
Maybe I changed my answer about like a lawyer being present
because a lawyer was present this time.
And she still said it. Yeah.
I don't know, it's like it's very frustrating and hard to
watch for so many reasons. I think especially being a woman
and being in those kinds of situations that are much lower
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stakes, like at work, for example, and you're in a room
and people are just talking overyou and they're all, they're
almost always men and they're like not listening to you, even
though you're making very valid points, may I add.
They're not listening to you andyou just can't get a word in.
And it's so frustrating. And it's even more frustrating
to see it happen again with someone who is not confident in
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terms of like self-confidence, but also not confident in the
language. Like it's so hard to watch that
because it reminds me of situations that I have been in.
And I'm like, oh, stand up for yourself, but also it's not your
fault. Yeah, also, it's like, can she
really stand up for herself? Because if she gets too
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defensive and aggressive, they're going to use that
against her like they're she literally can't win.
Yeah, it's like a damned if you do, damned if you don't
situation. Like if she if she was trying to
stand up for herself like they probably would have found a way
to use that against her too. Yeah.
And then I think there was also like, when the mom was like,
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walking through Perugia or something.
And then all the press were like, oh, have you reached out
to the family of the deceased to, like, send your condolences?
Or have you remained silent? And it's like, if you remain
silent, that's used against you.But if you reach out to them,
you're like, oh, we don't want to hear from you.
Why are you reaching out to us? So it's like, yeah, it's like
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such a complicated situation andyou really don't know what the
right thing to do is, but you know, you probably should do
something. And that action in action is so
difficult to navigate. It's so difficult.
Yeah, she said this in her Call Her Daddy episode, where she was
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like, even now, like, I can't win.
People are upset when they see that I'm happy.
They're upset that I they saw that I got married, blah blah,
blah. And Alex was like, what do they
want from you? And she's like, people literally
just want me to disappear. Like no one wants to see
anything from me 'cause there's nothing, There's nothing she can
do that will please anyone or everyone.
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Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a hard place to be in, but I'm glad
she's getting at least this opportunity to tell her story
'cause I, it does feel like the tide is shifting at least, or at
least like, I don't know how people thought before, during,
after now, but certainly from watching this, it's pretty
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obvious the police really fuckedup.
So I mean, I understand it's like a biased thing.
So like, who's to say really that like, oh, this is just one
piece of the puzzle or like one perspective.
But yeah, it's painful to watch.Yeah, it's, it's actually crazy.
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Like, obviously now that everything's out in the open and
we know, we know that they're, well, I guess I don't want to
tell spoilers. Literally episode 1.
I went to the Wikipedia and readup on the case.
OK, do you think everyone did that or should we not spoil it
for listeners? How about this?
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Why don't we, if you don't want to know, skip forward for the
next 3 minutes. You have 3 minutes, Shalini.
Oh my God. OK.
Yeah, OK, so knowing what we know now, which is that there
was a different murderer, it washis name is Rudy Gooday, which
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first of all, his name is never talked about.
Like, I've never heard this man's name before before I
listen to the Call Her Daddy episode.
Now that we know that, it's like, yeah, the police like
super fucked up. And they just they it sounds
like they ignored the evidence, which I think the feces in the
toilet thing was crazy and like something they should have
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fixated. Like they should have really
gone after that. And the fact that the bloody
fingerprints weren't any of theirs.
Like, yeah, clearly there's someone else.
They even got a name El Barone like go for.
That oh, what was the name? Wait, what?
Oh, well, the someone was like, Oh yeah, there's this like black
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guy that hangs out in our basement sometimes.
He goes by the name Illinois Barone.
Oh, yeah, Like the basketball players were talking about that,
right? Yeah.
And there was no follow up. So I was like.
Yeah, they did like 1/2 assed job asking like two people on
the basketball court if they've ever heard of someone named
Illinois Barone, but they never continued that.
It's like the the poop in the toilet is huge fucking turd.
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Oh my God, when they did show that I was like damn.
I have two related stories. The first related story is OK.
I don't know if I should tell that.
Tell it. Tell it.
I feel like I've told you before, so, OK, listeners, I
have a cat. He's a pretty, he's a pretty big
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cat. I think you can probably tell
where I'm going with this. He's not like a Maine Coon or
anything. He's just a really big for his
size house cat. And the first time that I
brought him home and I set up his litter box and everything,
and the first time that he pooped in the litter box, I saw
the poop in the litter box and Iwas like, did my roommate poop
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in this box? Because that is a big turd like.
That is huge. That is like a human must have
done this because there is no way.
And then I like like tried thinking about it logically.
I really it was like the Italianpolice had entered my brain
because they were like a human must.
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Have done this. Like there's no way a cat could
have done this. And then you like look at the
cat and you're like, yeah, that cat could have done this.
But yeah, anyway, that just longstory to be like, yeah, I was
shocked about the size of my cat's poop so.
Poop is huge, you heard in your.Poop is huge.
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OK, the second poop related story that I have do do you
remember when someone walked like it was like a random night
and then our friend Harrison wasjust sleeping in his bed and he
like woke up the next day or like woke up in the middle of
the night because someone had walked into the apartment and
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had used their bathroom, fallen asleep on the toilet and tried
to crawl into Harrison's bed. And Harrison was like what the
fuck is going on? And the guy was like, I thought
this was my apartment because itwas like he was like a neighbor
or something. Wait, was this in college?
No. This was like a year after
college. What?
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No, I've not heard that story. Yeah, I'm like, I can't.
I don't know if I have the details all correct, but I'm
pretty sure he like used the bathroom.
Unclear if a poop was in the toilet when he left.
But yeah, I don't know what it is with with random people
coming into a place where they're not supposed to be in,
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peeing or pooping, not flushing and then leaving.
It was the same thing in the Hunting Wives.
Remember that guy entered their entered their house and then
peed in the toilet that didn't flush.
I was like. What is?
What is? With these home intruders and
not flushing. Like they really want you to
know they were there. Yes, so gross.
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Anyway, that's what it reminded me of.
Now that we spent 5 minutes talking about poop.
OK, to bring it back around, yes, it was crazy that they
ignored all of these other different factors and just
fixated on pushing this story. I think it's actually a very
common bias in psychology where you like, have this story and
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you think about all of the things that support that story
and you ignore everything else that doesn't.
Yeah, confirmation bias. There you go.
Yeah, totally. In the Call Her Daddy episode,
she says that the moment when Rafael A kissed her outside of
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the apartment when the police were there, that was like when
they fixated on her and it was because, you know, like the
other roommate, I think Philomena or something, the
other roommate was like hysterical because she had seen
the body, but like, Amanda neversaw the body.
She never knew what was going on.
She was just confused. So when one roommate is
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hysterical and the other one's just like, huh, what's going on?
And then she kisses her boyfriend like it's so yeah,
that's what they fixated on. Yeah, what a shame.
I mean, I think there is also the corroboration, corroboration
in quotes around Meredith's British friends, who also didn't
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really like Amanda, who also waslike, yeah, she's always been
kind of weird. Like we never really liked her.
Like, I guess like, that's also kind of a red flag or more more
about like the confirmation bias, I guess.
But none of that is really explained in the Hulu series.
What, what? What is not explained?
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Like the British friends not liking her for some reason.
Yeah, I don't know about that. That wasn't talked about at all
in her Call Her Daddy episode. So what?
Were like what were the main takeaways in the Call Her Daddy
episode? Honestly, like when she told the
story it was very similar to howthey've portrayed it in the
show. It was that she, like, woke up
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the day after the Halloween festivities, decided to go home
to shower and change. She and Rafael, we're going to
go on a weekend trip to this town that's famous for truffles.
And she, like, wanted to dress really cute.
So she was like going to shower and stuff.
And then she saw a little bit ofblood in the sink, a little bit
of blood on the bath mat. Didn't really think anything of
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it because that's not the first thing you think.
Oh, she also said that on on Halloween night, Meredith was a
vampire for Halloween. And so she had like, fake blood
on her face. And so she was like, yeah, it
like might be fake blood. That was just, you know, she
just didn't clean it up or whatever.
And then but then she saw that Ithink it was Philomena's room
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that was ransacked. Yes.
And and then she had also noticed that the door was open,
but she was like, well, maybe someone forgot to close it
because the door was, like, a little bit broken.
So everything was like, very similar to what they showed in
the show. And then she noticed that
Meredith's door was locked. And that's when she called
Rafael. Yeah.
So what was the thing about Rafael just basically reneging
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on his story? Was that something that he
actually did or did the police just tell her that he reneged?
I think that's something he actually did, yeah.
And then she was like, why wouldhe do that?
Why would he do that? Crazy, maybe?
Just to get them off his back. I don't know.
Yeah. Crazy.
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Yeah. But you know, one thing that
really my my other big take awayfrom the Call Her Daddy episode
was that Amanda has so much empathy for everyone involved in
this case. And like you can.
I mean, you can even see it by the fact that one of the
episodes, this last episode, episode 3, was from the
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detectives perspective and kind of just like showing his
upbringing and like where he comes from in life and like what
led him to to like want so badlyto pin.
This on to women. Yeah.
I grew up across the street froma women's prison and that's why
I hate women. No, just yeah, but just like,
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like he wanted to save his country and like, yeah, he feels
this duty to do right by his country and like, God or
whatever. So that that's one thing.
And then going back to Rafael inher episode, she also was like,
I feel so bad for Rafael A because, you know, I like, I've
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gotten to say my piece. I was able to defend myself.
But like, he's never, he never really had a say in like the
narrative that was shaped aroundhim.
His identity was stripped away from him.
Like he was just made out to be this like little bitch boy who
did whatever I told him to, which is like so inaccurate.
That's what she said in the CallHer Daddy episode, yeah.
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Yeah. And then she she said something
similar about Meredith, which she was like, yeah, you know,
like I'm still here. And and Meredith, Meredith's
character, she's never gotten todefend her character.
She's never gotten to right any wrong narratives that were
written about her because she's not here anymore.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that was also
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really apparent in the show whenher mom comes to visit her, she
said. But, you know, like, in spite of
all this prison stuff, I'm luckybecause I could have been there
the night that Meredith was killed and also could have been
killed. So I'm lucky.
And I was like, yeah, that is aninteresting spin.
Like good for you. She also said that in the
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episode, she was because Alex asked her.
So apparently she was deciding between Germany and Italy for
study abroad, and she ultimatelydecided on Italy because she
already knew German pretty well,so she wanted to learn Italian.
And Alex was like, do you think about that a lot, that you could
have just gone to Germany and none of this would have
happened? And Amanda was like, no,
honestly, that's not the thing that haunts me.
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What haunts me is that if I, if it wasn't for Raffaele, I would
have been in the house that night and I could have died,
too. Yeah.
Crazy. Yeah, I think, I think there is.
She definitely has a lot of empathy there, but there were
times when that empathy was really irritating to me.
So when she had empathy for the police, for example, I was like,
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girl, they are not your friends.When she was saying that, oh, I
was so confused. I wanted to go back into the
police station to try to help them because I just, I was like
a key witness and I really want to help them.
And then they just turned aroundand pinned the murder on her.
That's when I was like, don't trust me.
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This one like love you precious.So cute.
But stop. Just don't say anything.
Lawyer up. Get out.
I know but dude, I feel like if I was 20 years old all by myself
in a foreign country I might have had that mentality too.
You know? Like I I was not the hard and
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selfish person I am now that knows that I got to look out for
#1. I wouldn't say that that is
selfish, maybe hardened, but also just more cognizant of the
mistakes that people can make, especially people in authority
positions. Yeah.
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I will say I was very impressed by how much she spoke Italian.
Same I was like damn this girl is knows like way more Italian
than I could even dream of that way.
Yeah. And I was like, how long have
you been here? Like four months.
That's 4/3. Months, yeah.
She's so good at Italian. But even in spite of that,
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that's why I was like, that's why I was also really irritated
with her because I feel like I get this notion too.
And I go to a foreign land and Ido Duolingo for like 2 weeks
beforehand and then I go to thiscountry and I'm like, let me
order an ice cream in Italian. And then I like say the things
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that Duolingo taught me to say. And then I'm like, I'm so good
at Italian. And then they asked me if I want
to pay by card or cash and I'm like, who's that?
And. Then I get humbled really
quickly. And so I feel like This is why
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if this kind of thing happened to me, I would immediate be
like, I don't under, I don't understand anything.
Get me a lawyer, get me someone who speaks English.
I don't know. I don't even know what I'm doing
here honestly. Yeah, I know, I know.
But yeah, I honestly, it's interesting that, like your take
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away from that, I, I, I, I don'tthink I had interpreted it as
like she had so much pride in her own Italian that she didn't
think she needed a translator. I think I was like, this girl
clearly doesn't know a talent like she, she herself was kind
of, I thought admitting that shedoesn't understand what's going
on. So like, yeah.
I'm absolutely, I'm absolutely projecting right now.
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I just like completely. I know this all right?
Anyway. OK, what else?
Oh, the HIV false positive was crazy.
Oh my God, I should tell you what I wrote down.
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So right before this creepy warden guy gives her a doughnut
thing. Whatever.
Then she gets the positive HIV test and I wrote down Is it
possible to ingest HIV through adoughnut?
Because I was like. You must have given it to her
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through that doughnut. Dirty needles, Dirty doughnut.
Hey, hear me out. But yeah, that was a dirty ass
trick because then they were basically just took that
information to get her to write down all of the people that she
had been with ever, which is. Only 7 like I like who cares
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what number it was? But like for them to paint her
as this like sex crazed maniac. It's like she's a college girl
and she's had seven partners. And she knows the names of all
of them. Yeah.
It's not like she doesn't know. It's not like she was like
random man with red T-shirt. You know, it's like DJ this
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person, Rafael. Man, yeah.
Well, that was the time, I guess.
So actually when all of this stuff was going on.
Do you remember it being in the news?
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You know what? I don't, and I don't know why?
Because I was, I mean, I was like a teenager by then.
Yeah, we were like 1314 years old when all this went down.
Yeah. I was also thinking that I'm
like trying to remember if I hadheard anything about it and I
really can't recall so. Like the first time I had heard
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about it was actually in that show, the flight attendant.
Do you remember that show? We watched it in Philly
together, or we watched some of it in Philly together.
But it's the show with Kaylee Cuoco.
I think that's her name. The girlfriend Big Bang Theory.
Oh yeah, and. She's a flight attendant and
then, like, hooks up with a guy in, like, Singapore one night or
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something. And then she wakes up and he's
dead in the hotel room. And then she calls her lawyer
friend in America who is played by the girl that played
Shoshanna and girls. And she's like, hey, what
happened with that girl, Amanda Knox again?
And then her friends, like, why are you asking me about Amanda
Knox? Yeah.
And that's the first time I'd heard about it.
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And I was like, wait, what? Your steel trap mind is crazy
because I have 0 recollection ofthis movie.
Like this is a fever dream show.This is a fever dream show that
you could have described to me. I honestly don't remember.
We might not have watched the whole thing, but we definitely
started that show in Philly. Are you sure I was awake?
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Anyway, so yeah, that was the first time I had heard the name
Amanda Knox. Wow.
OK, I don't think, yeah, I don'tthink I've heard the name Amanda
Knox before. But then when you said foxy,
Noxy like that, I was like, oh, I think I've heard of this
before, but I'm not sure. Maybe it was just because it was
a rhyming phrase and I was like,oh, rhymes.
Sounds familiar? Yeah.
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Oh yeah. Let's talk.
About Let's talk about Foxy Noxy.
So I don't know if they said this in the show, but apparently
that was her like, prepubescent soccer nickname.
It was just her nickname on her soccer team because she played
at, I guess the top of the diamond.
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I'm not going to pretend to knowlike actual soccer positions,
but she played at the top of thediamond and would like steal the
ball from the other team and like a fox, like stealing
whatever. And her teammates called her
Foxy Noxy when she was like 10 years old.
And then the Italian police werelike, Foxy Nexi, she's sex.
Orgies that found that somehow and just like, put together the
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story of her being like this sexcrazed like freak.
Yeah. Wow that's insane, especially
because they showed that clip. Clip of her being like oh are
you excited to see David tomorrow?
Who's David? The statue of David not the
first time I saw naked David andI was like this is proof that
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she's a sex crazed like orgy addict.
I. Know crazy?
Like I would have made that joke, I know.
It's totally a rooty joke. I do think stylistically, I
thought it was really interesting how they started the
show because, you know, it was kind of like, this is my life.
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And it would like, it would be like, and then it would show her
like eating pasta and licking her plate like this is my
family, blah, blah, blah. And we'd like, I was like, whoa,
what kind of show is this going to be?
And then it turned into like what I expected.
But I was like, wow, that's a very interesting way to start
the show, I thought. I think it's funny that you say
that because even in Episode 3, the way they started, it was
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kind of a flashback into how theinspector grew up, right?
And so I was watching that and Iwas like, am I watching an ad
right now? What is this?
But yeah, I was like, I think the cinematography is really
good. And especially there was 1 scene
where she is talking with her lawyers and she's starting to
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get confused again. And the subtitles go from
English subtitles to the Italianthat's being spoken to just like
garbled words. I was like, oh, that's, that's
really cool. That's like a nice little touch
that they've put in. I thought that was so cool, too.
Yeah. Just to really get the viewer in
on, like, the utter confusion and just like, I have no idea
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what's going on. Yeah.
Wait, so going back to the beginning of Episode 3, where
we're starting to see what's theguy's name's Minjini Manjini.
Oh yeah. Manjini.
Manjini, where we're starting tosee how Manjini is operating as
a police inspector in Persia. And there is one case that he's
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trying to solve the serial killer who murders young lovers
in their car or something like that.
We have the like the Florence killer or whatever.
Yeah, something like that. But then there is there's like a
newspaper article that's like, oh, the killer has been found.
Menini has stopped searching. I was like, does this mean he's
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not a very good police inspector?
And like the media is showing that he's not or that he has a
lot of pressure from the media? Because if they're showing that
he's not a good police inspector, I would believe that.
Like, he's obviously not, but like, has he done anything right
in the case? No.
I don't know. I actually don't remember that
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moment. I wonder if it was partly like a
stylistic choice of like they were just showing a newspaper
being like Mangini, you suck, the killer's been found or
something like that. But I don't know because I I
don't really remember that moment, but.
Yeah. I don't know.
Do you know if all of the characters in the twisted tale
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of Amanda Knox are all real people?
I don't. I know there's a disclaimer.
There's a disclaimer at the end of every episode that's like,
some of these characters are notreal or whatever.
Like everything could be exaggerated.
This is just from Amanda's perspective, but the characters
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that or the the people that she talked about in her interview on
Caller Daddy were Philomena and Laura Meredith Rafael A.
Probably the boys downstairs. Yeah, actually, I don't even
know if she mentioned them, but I do I yeah, I think she did
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mention them, probably. And then, of course, Rudy.
But unclear if the actual police.
Were like, yeah, characters, yeah.
I'm not sure if those were the actual people.
I would believe it if she, like,changed their names and stuff
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just so that they wouldn't get abunch of hate.
Yeah. Oh, also, I have a question.
You know, when they show the flash forward and she's going
back to the town with her husband and her baby and her mom
is the guy that greets her before they go into the church,
is that guy the minister in the prison?
Yeah. I don't know if minister is the
right word. Oh, OK, OK.
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I also was like, wait, I've seenthis guy before.
Why are they pretending like they're meeting for the first
time? And then I realized, yeah, that
it was the guy. Oh, OK, OK.
So I wonder if not knowing what happens in the next few
episodes, if then like he turns out to be like the one friend
she has in all of this or something?
Because that's kind of the vibe I got.
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Yeah, I think that's the vibe I got too.
Oh, do you know if that actuallyhappened?
So in, I guess it's like episodeone or two where she goes back
to meet the police Chief Inspector, but they haven't had
the actual conversation yet. Do you know if that actually
happened, that she went back to Perugia and kind of like came
face to face with the same people who imprisoned her?
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I don't know. And actually that was, I think
that would have happened after her Call Her Daddy interview,
which is where most of my knowledge ends about Amanda
Knox. So yeah, 'cause the interview
was I think in like 2022 or something.
Yeah, right. When her baby was born and I
think they showed that it wasn'ta brand new, brand new baby.
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Yeah, it, I mean it was close toa brand.
Wait, was it close? I actually don't know anymore
but they definitely the year was2022 when they had it at the
bottom of the screen. I'm going to look it up.
Doesn't Diane Knox go back to Italy?
Oh Docs has returned to Italy several times since she was
exonerated, including when she traveled back to Perugia to come
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face to face with clicking the two day article.
Face to face with the prosecutorin her first trial, Giuliano
Manini. So that did happen.
She didn't change his name. She did not change his name.
Whoa, everyone go glad I'm just kidding.
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Yappers, find his address, you know what to do.
Oh my God, hasn't he been through enough?
Hasn't she been through enough? OK, the rest of this today.com
article. She also met up with Sollecito
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Rafael in 2022 and the pair wentto Gubbio, the Italian city that
they plan to visit on the day Kircher was found.
The truffle town the. Truffle Town.
Oh. Yeah.
It sounds like they ended thingson a positive note.
Yeah, it sounds like it. Wait what?
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The court re convicted Knox of slander on June 5th, 2024 and
Knox wiped away tears in the courtroom.
Probably slander for Lumumba. Patrick Lumumba.
Oh. I think let me see yes Amanda
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Knox re convicted of slander in Italy for accusing innocent man
in 2007 murder case. Oh man, that's so sad, 'cause
like, yeah, she was obviously intimidated into saying that in
the first place. Yeah.
Oh yeah, also the phone tapping was real also.
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You know how? They tapped their phones and she
and her mom are always like, whyis there like this clicking
noise? Do you think that's wait, is
that true? Like if someone's tapping your
phone, you hear a clicking noise.
I don't know, yeah. I'm a look it up too OK clicking
tapping OK Reddit is not useful.Unexplained sounds like clicks,
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static beeps or high pitch frequencies might indicate that
someone is listening in on your phone calls or that they're
being recorded. So I think it's like possible.
OK. Oh, I read.
Well, not read. I listen or like, saw maybe saw
some article or something about this interview with Kamala
Harris and how Kamala Harris always uses wired headphones.
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And then the reason that she does that is apparently wired
headphones are like the only wayto know that your connection is
secure because if you wear Bluetooth headphones or wireless
earbuds, they can easily. The signal can easily be
intercepted or something like that.
Yeah, that's why. No, just kidding.
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Like what? What is someone going to hear if
they tap into my phone? Yeah, Bruce, I'm currently
wearing wired headphones, that'swhy.
But the only reason is because my wireless ones are out of
battery. Wow, interesting.
Damn. Damn.
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All right, so the final episode is coming out October 1st and
it's coming out every Wednesday until then.
What do you think is going to happen in the next episode?
Oh, I don't know, maybe so I know that she gets convicted on
December 7th, I believe is what she said.
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And so it's already November 7th, I think.
So maybe it'll be like about hertrial, yeah.
Yeah, I'm curious because they found the bloody fingerprints,
so that's like, oh, are they nowgoing to investigate that or
just throw it out? Yeah, Figure out who it is.
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Find out the real killer. I guess not.
Figure out who pooped. In the toilet.
Seriously. Oh my gosh.
Wait, can't you just get like DNA evidence from poop in a
toilet? I think so.
I don't know. Do you think someone flushed it
already? No, I don't think so.
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We don't think they flushed the poop.
Yeah. Why aren't they testing the
poop? It was like a pretty big it's a
mess. A big.
Thing. Maybe it was.
Maybe it was Mila. Yeah, Bruce Milo is the name of
(44:58):
Ruchi's cat. Oh yeah, so we'll find out.
And next week's episode. Yeah.
What are your predictions for the next episode?
It feels like things are really crawling along timeline wise, so
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I feel like it will be more leading up to the trial.
Maybe there will be more flash forwards, I'm not sure.
Yeah, we didn't get any flash forwards this episode.
Yeah, we got a lot of flashbacks.
We got a hello flashback to Manini's time growing up.
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Hello, 'cause he's old. Yeah, seriously, I was like,
Dang, like, everything is in black and white.
All this. Fuck Yeah.
Yeah. So I I, I don't know.
I mean, hopefully they actually follow up on those bloody
fingerprints. I'm actually surprised that they
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brought him, they brought them up because I mean, maybe they
just brought them up and then they're going to do their due
diligence and then be like, no, just throw it out because this
is the story that we've been going with.
So. Yeah, it's possible.
Sad. Never study abroad, kids.
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We didn't. We didn't.
Turned out just fine. And we are.
We didn't murder nobody. Did Amanda?
To be rate right? Yeah, I would give the show a
nine out of 10. Whoa, yeah, quality.
(46:47):
Honestly, maybe 10. I'm loving this show.
Like quality and enjoyment. I just think it's, it's so well
made and the story is so gripping.
I mean, the the way they're telling the story is very
gripping. The story itself, of course we
know is like absolutely nuts. And yeah, I really enjoying it.
(47:13):
I think I would give it a 5 out of five for quality for sure.
I think it's pretty good quality.
I would give it a two out of five for enjoyment just because
I project a lot and I feel like it is very hard to watch.
Like, I'll still watch it for sure, but yeah, it's like, hard.
(47:35):
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
It is. It is a hard watch, but it's
like hard in the way that, well,I'll preface this by saying fuck
JK Rowling, but hard in the way that Order of the Phoenix is
hard to read and that like it's so enraging, but like it makes
you feel so much, you know? I did not feel that way about
(47:58):
Order of the Phoenix. OK, actually, I used to.
I that used to be my least favorite book.
And then I listened to a podcastwhere someone was like, but
isn't it the book you felt the most angry?
And the other person was like, yeah.
And they're like, yeah, you feltso much.
And I was like, whoa, you're right.
(48:19):
I felt so strongly. Yeah.
Oh, I did not feel that way about Order the Phoenix.
I was just like, this is so boring.
All this politics are so boring.I don't want to hear anything
about a court scene or anything.I just want to go back to fun
dragon games like the previous Spock.
All right, well. Anyway, but yeah, fuck James
(48:45):
Way. Our binge in progress.
Oh. Yeah, binge in progress.
I actually have a lot of things to talk about that I've been
consuming. We talked about this already,
but I binged Love Life seasons one and two.
Season 1 is about Anna Kendrick.Anna Kendrick is playing this
(49:06):
girl Darby. I forgot her last name, but
she's basically going through her life and it's all about,
like, her relationships and how her life doesn't quite go the
way that she wants it to, but itends up being something that
she's pretty happy with. And then it's the same thing
with Season 2, except this time it's William Jackson Harper.
(49:28):
So Season 2 stars William Jackson Harper and Jessica
Williams, right? Oh, yeah.
And Jessica Williams. Yeah.
Kind of going through the same thing.
I thought it was such a poignantlook into relationships and it
also made me nostalgic for New York.
Oh, are both seasons set in New York?
(49:49):
Yes, yeah, OK. Oh cute I love that show.
I wish they made more seasons. Yeah, I think at times it was
also kind of a hard watch. I'm like, oh, are you doing
this? But I thought it was less like,
it was just like one of those shows where I kept, like,
(50:09):
wanting to know what was next. Yeah, yeah.
Nice. And I also wait, did I talk
about Arrested Development already?
No. Oh, I've been watching Arrested
Development. Oh, it's been a good binge on
the comedy side of things, Yeah.I think I've watched more shows,
(50:30):
but I'll wait until the next episode of DYR.
Yeah, we've kind of had like a abit of a break from binging
shows because last week was the summer I turn pretty, so it was
just one episode per week. Oh yeah, that's what I've been
binging. Yes, actually, because, OK,
(50:53):
Yappers, for those of you who don't know, the reason that I
haven't been doing The Summer I Turn Pretty episodes is because
I just didn't watch it, nor did I have the desire to watch it.
But then I was influenced by Shalini and Aliana's episode on
The Summer I Turn Pretty season 3, Part 2, episode 3 through 7.
And I was like, wait, this kind of sounds good or not good, but
(51:15):
you know, just like how fun watch that.
I feel like I want to get it on.So I started watching from
season 1 and I'm currently on season 2 and maybe I'll join for
Part 3, we'll see. Yay, yay.
I'm so happy to hear that. Yeah.
It's like, it's like such a fun show.
(51:36):
It's like so fun to just like. Be a girl.
And watch the show, you know? It's so is I think that's
exactly what it is. It's just like, oh, I want to be
part of the girl dumb, you know,and like have an opinion on this
summer. I turn pretty.
I have also been binging Love Life.
(51:58):
We're on episode 8 of season 1, which is I think we're about to
watch the episode where it's like her friend's Bachelorette
trip in the cabin. Cringe.
I know I I've Oh yeah, to be clear, yappers, I've already
seen the whole show, but I'm rewatching so I know what's
(52:20):
coming and oh man, this is like my least favorite episode.
It's such a good episode, but it's like so, so hard to watch.
And then my sister and I also just binge Survivor season 8,
which is famously known as the season where Rob and Amber fall
in love. And it was so cute to watch.
(52:43):
And they have the sweetest love story.
It was really cute. Wait so they met on survivor?
This is the story. This is the season where they
met me and they are currently married, have a kid. 4 kids. 4.
They met 21 years ago on Survivor, to be clear.
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OK, that's fair. This is yeah, season 8, and it's
what, season 600 something rightnow?
Something like that. 49 voters County.
That's it. What else?
Well, I've been watching How I Met Your Mother, but I think
I've already talked about that. But I'm close to the end now.
I'm on Season 8 of 9. Yeah, wow, wow.
(53:26):
Look at us watching so many things outside of our schedule.
I know. Crazy of us.
Remember that time we talked about books?
Oh, yeah, We really scraped the bottom of the barrel there.
We were like, I don't know, I like, like had some good air
this morning. Some bad suit breathing.
(53:53):
Breathe app, Repeat. All right, well, Yapper's
homework is to go watch Love Life if you need a show to
watch. And then what was the other
thing? Yeah, Oh, I was just going to
say other homework. If you want to know more about
the Amanda Knox story. Well, first of all, she has a
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podcast where I'm pretty sure she talks about her own story.
And second of all, listen to theCall Her Daddy episode because
it's just so good. I just love how confident she is
and like stubbornly defensive ofher own innocence.
So go listen to that. And if not read, at least read
the Wikipedia article so that wecan keep talking about spoilers.
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Great. Thanks for spoiling with us.
Thanks for yapping with us if you loved this episode, have
some hot takes we missed, or if you've got a show you're dying
for us to binge next, follow us on socials we're at, Binge Yapp,
repeat. Until next time, happy bingeing.
Welcome back yappers to another episode of Binge Yap Repeat.
Today we are diving into the newHulu series The Twisted Tale of
Amanda Knox, a narrative show that goes through the Amanda
Knox case from Amanda's perspective.
We yap all about the police's fixation on Amanda, the evidence
they chose to ignore, and some insight into her story that we
(00:23):
gleaned from her Call Her Daddy interview.
Buckle in, because this story iscrazy.
Let's get started. Hello fellow yappers, I'm Ruchi.
And I'm Shalini and we're your hosts.
A binge, yap, repeat. We're two best friends who spend
an embarrassing amount of time binge watching TV, and honestly,
we just need to talk about it. If you're here, we're guessing
(00:45):
you do too. Fair warning, this is a spoiler
friendly zone. We will be discussing lots of
spoilers, so if you haven't watched the show yet, hit pause,
go binge, and come back when you're ready to yap with us.
And now it's yap time. Bonjour, no ruchi, or should I
(01:22):
say bonacera Michael Cera. That means good evening, as I
recently learned on my trip to Italy.
Oh, muy bien. Well, we're not speaking Italian
(01:42):
because Sholini just came back from Italy.
We're speaking Italian because today's episode is about the
twisted tale of Amanda Knox, which is an American true crime
biographical drama miniseries. So Many Words that premiered on
Hulu on August 20th, and the episodes are coming out on a
rolling basis. So this particular episode for
(02:04):
BYR is going to focus just on episodes one through 3.
So Toasted Tale of Amanda Knox is based on the true story of
Amanda Knox and her wrongful conviction in the murder of
Meredith Kercher while she was studying abroad in this town
called Perugia in Italy. Perugia.
(02:26):
Perugia me this. Yeah.
Perugia what? Did you just say?
I think I said I'm sorry. I think we're like my bad.
Grazie. OK so before we get into overall
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thoughts. So I found out that the real
Amanda Knox is involved in the creation of Twisted tale of
Amanda Knox on Hulu along with another famous woman who had a
scandal around her name if you can guess.
(03:10):
Monica Lewinsky. Yes.
No way. Yes.
Are you serious? I'm.
Serious Monica Lewinsky just guessed that is the executive
producer for Twisted Tale of Amanda Noggs.
Good for her. Yeah, good for you too.
Wow, way to guess that. Damn, you know what?
(03:31):
It's because both of them were on Call Her Daddy and I listened
to both of those episodes. Oh, like recently.
No, Amanda Knox was several years ago, but I did re listen
to that for this episode. And then Monica Lewinsky was
very recent. It was like in the last two or
three months. Oh, OK, yeah, it's top of mind
for you then. OK, yeah.
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So how about let's do, let's do overall thoughts and we'll start
talking about the actual story. Yeah, OK.
Take it away, Shalini. So I am really enjoying watching
the show. Well, let me rephrase.
I think the show is brilliant. It's very difficult to watch.
Like just it feels so real. I think they've done a really
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good job of making you feel the anxiety and the panic that
Amanda was feeling at the time. And so it is a very stressful
watch, but I think it's so well done.
And I love the lead actress, Grace Van Patten.
I think her name is. I know her from Tell Me Lies,
which is another Hulu show. And she kind of she also plays
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this like college girl who like has an active dating life and,
you know, just kind of a similarcharacter.
I think she's done such a good job in the show.
And I also know her mom from what is that show called Bad
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Sisters? Have you seen that show?
I haven't, but I thought you were referring to like, Grace
Von Patton's mom. I was like, oh, I know her mom.
And I was like, you know, her mom.
OK, I tie with Miss Patton. Got it.
OK, the act. The character's mom.
Excuse me? Yes, the the actress who plays
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Edda Mellas I guess. Yes, who is Amanda Knox's mom?
That actress is an Irish actresswho is also in the TV show Bad
Sisters on Apple TV, which is one of the best shows of all
time I would say. Is that like a comedy show?
It's like, yeah, it's like a dark comedy.
(05:40):
It's definitely hilarious, but it's also like quite dark.
I think you would really love it.
OK, I'm going to put it on my list to watch.
Great. But yeah, so I I really like all
of the actors on the show that I've seen so far.
And I think the way that they'relaying out the story is really
good. Actually, when I started it, I
(06:01):
thought they were releasing, youknow, we both thought they were
releasing the whole season at 1:00.
So it was a surprise that they were releasing 1 episode at a
time, but the two episodes that they dropped the first week, I
was like, oh, is that all we're getting of this story?
And then I looked it up and I was like, Oh no, there's six
more episodes coming. So I think the the pacing is
really good and there's just so much that happens in each
(06:23):
episode, which I'm really loving.
So yeah. Yeah, So going back to Grace Van
Patten's acting, I think it's like it's it's like so good that
I am irritated. But I also understand Amanda
Knox's whole. I don't, I don't want to say, I
don't want to say shtick, but like I understand the mentality
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and the mindset that she was in when she was going through all
of this. So I think it's good that she
brought a lot of life and she brought brings a lot of like my
naivete to the character that I personally find irritating.
But then I'm like, yeah, she's a20 year old girl, like in a
foreign country. Of course she would feel like
this. So I think like that, that is
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good. But it is a little bit hard to
watch because I'm like, Oh my God.
Like just ask for a translator God damn it.
Yeah, I know, I know. Like As for a lawyer, As for
translator. Oh, poor girl.
Yeah. OK.
Question for you, do you think that if Amanda had just admitted
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she didn't know Italian that well that most of this could
have been avoided or do you think she would have still been
in the same situation? I think she did kind of admit
that at some points, like she was like, I don't know what
you're saying. I don't know, I don't
understand. So I don't think it would have
been different. I think they just made-up their
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minds about her when they saw her kissing her boyfriend of
five days. And they, yeah, they just were
looking for reasons to convict her or to arrest her, I guess,
at this point. OK, yeah, because I do feel like
there are definitely some parts where, well, maybe this is more
about like the text message she was using was, wait, did she say
(08:14):
this in the text message where she messaged Patrick Lumumba and
she was like, see you later. Was that in Italian or was that
in English? She wrote it in Italian.
OK, yeah, I see. So then it's like, yeah, OK, I
guess it doesn't make sense. But yeah, I think there or it
was portrayed that a lot of the words that she used in Italian
kind of were used against her. That one being the key example,
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which is of course not her fault, like none of it was her
fault. But that one being the key
example of like, OK girl like just use English and then they
can't use your bad Italian against you.
Yeah. But I do think that wouldn't
have changed anything because I think the reason she ultimately
like, quote UN quote confessed or, you know, gave them
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Patrick's name was because they were just, they were like
literally harassing her and justlike intimidating her.
And so I think the only thing that would have changed is if
she had a lawyer in the room, then they wouldn't have gotten
away with as much. And then she would have been
able to keep her head on her shoulders a little bit better
and just, like, stay grounded and not just like panicked and
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given them a name. So that's that's really the only
thing I think could have been different, but I don't know.
Yeah. And then do you think that her
giving Patrick's name was a racething on her part or do you
think it was a race thing on thepolice's part?
Because I think I was glad to see that there was more rioting
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around why Patrick was in prison.
Because I totally agree. I was like, Patrick was nowhere
near this. Even the crime barely even knew
this girl. Why is his name even being put
out there? He is so tangentially related.
So I was happy to see that therewas rioting around him being in
prison in the third episode. But also I was like, so this is
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a race thing. I guess it depends on what you
mean by race thing. I think the the reason they
looked at him was because they knew that there was the hair of
a man of African descent in Meredith's room.
And so I think they were just like looking for men of African
descent. And he was like one that
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happened to know Amanda. So then they just kind of
fixated on that. Then they found her text to him
and they're like, Oh, yeah, they, they kind of like just put
these puzzle pieces together that weren't, weren't real.
So I guess like that led them there, but I don't think it was
because he was black. Like, I don't, OK.
It didn't strike me like it was a racist thing.
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It, it just struck me that they were like, oh, great.
Well, there's an African guy, like it's probably him.
Oh, let's look for the evidence that points to that.
And then I don't think her saying his name was racist
either. I I think, I don't think it was
really. I think they were just like
feeding that name to her over and over again.
And she was like, OK, maybe it was him, you know?
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Yeah. OK, yeah, I forgot about the the
hair being found from the African American guy.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.How did you feel about the
ending of Episode 3 where it waskind of like, oh, the police are
feeding her the story all over again and she's getting
flustered all over again? Oh my God, It was like the same
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thing again. Actually, you know what?
Maybe I changed my answer about like a lawyer being present
because a lawyer was present this time.
And she still said it. Yeah.
I don't know, it's like it's very frustrating and hard to
watch for so many reasons. I think especially being a woman
and being in those kinds of situations that are much lower
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stakes, like at work, for example, and you're in a room
and people are just talking overyou and they're all, they're
almost always men and they're like not listening to you, even
though you're making very valid points, may I add.
They're not listening to you andyou just can't get a word in.
And it's so frustrating. And it's even more frustrating
to see it happen again with someone who is not confident in
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terms of like self-confidence, but also not confident in the
language. Like it's so hard to watch that
because it reminds me of situations that I have been in.
And I'm like, oh, stand up for yourself, but also it's not your
fault. Yeah, also, it's like, can she
really stand up for herself? Because if she gets too
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defensive and aggressive, they're going to use that
against her like they're she literally can't win.
Yeah, it's like a damned if you do, damned if you don't
situation. Like if she if she was trying to
stand up for herself like they probably would have found a way
to use that against her too. Yeah.
And then I think there was also like, when the mom was like,
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walking through Perugia or something.
And then all the press were like, oh, have you reached out
to the family of the deceased to, like, send your condolences?
Or have you remained silent? And it's like, if you remain
silent, that's used against you.But if you reach out to them,
you're like, oh, we don't want to hear from you.
Why are you reaching out to us? So it's like, yeah, it's like
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such a complicated situation andyou really don't know what the
right thing to do is, but you know, you probably should do
something. And that action in action is so
difficult to navigate. It's so difficult.
Yeah, she said this in her Call Her Daddy episode, where she was
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like, even now, like, I can't win.
People are upset when they see that I'm happy.
They're upset that I they saw that I got married, blah blah,
blah. And Alex was like, what do they
want from you? And she's like, people literally
just want me to disappear. Like no one wants to see
anything from me 'cause there's nothing, There's nothing she can
do that will please anyone or everyone.
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Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a hard place to be in, but I'm glad
she's getting at least this opportunity to tell her story
'cause I, it does feel like the tide is shifting at least, or at
least like, I don't know how people thought before, during,
after now, but certainly from watching this, it's pretty
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obvious the police really fuckedup.
So I mean, I understand it's like a biased thing.
So like, who's to say really that like, oh, this is just one
piece of the puzzle or like one perspective.
But yeah, it's painful to watch.Yeah, it's, it's actually crazy.
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Like, obviously now that everything's out in the open and
we know, we know that they're, well, I guess I don't want to
tell spoilers. Literally episode 1.
I went to the Wikipedia and readup on the case.
OK, do you think everyone did that or should we not spoil it
for listeners? How about this?
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Why don't we, if you don't want to know, skip forward for the
next 3 minutes. You have 3 minutes, Shalini.
Oh my God. OK.
Yeah, OK, so knowing what we know now, which is that there
was a different murderer, it washis name is Rudy Gooday, which
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first of all, his name is never talked about.
Like, I've never heard this man's name before before I
listen to the Call Her Daddy episode.
Now that we know that, it's like, yeah, the police like
super fucked up. And they just they it sounds
like they ignored the evidence, which I think the feces in the
toilet thing was crazy and like something they should have
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fixated. Like they should have really
gone after that. And the fact that the bloody
fingerprints weren't any of theirs.
Like, yeah, clearly there's someone else.
They even got a name El Barone like go for.
That oh, what was the name? Wait, what?
Oh, well, the someone was like, Oh yeah, there's this like black
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guy that hangs out in our basement sometimes.
He goes by the name Illinois Barone.
Oh, yeah, Like the basketball players were talking about that,
right? Yeah.
And there was no follow up. So I was like.
Yeah, they did like 1/2 assed job asking like two people on
the basketball court if they've ever heard of someone named
Illinois Barone, but they never continued that.
It's like the the poop in the toilet is huge fucking turd.
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Oh my God, when they did show that I was like damn.
I have two related stories. The first related story is OK.
I don't know if I should tell that.
Tell it. Tell it.
I feel like I've told you before, so, OK, listeners, I
have a cat. He's a pretty, he's a pretty big
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cat. I think you can probably tell
where I'm going with this. He's not like a Maine Coon or
anything. He's just a really big for his
size house cat. And the first time that I
brought him home and I set up his litter box and everything,
and the first time that he pooped in the litter box, I saw
the poop in the litter box and Iwas like, did my roommate poop
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in this box? Because that is a big turd like.
That is huge. That is like a human must have
done this because there is no way.
And then I like like tried thinking about it logically.
I really it was like the Italianpolice had entered my brain
because they were like a human must.
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Have done this. Like there's no way a cat could
have done this. And then you like look at the
cat and you're like, yeah, that cat could have done this.
But yeah, anyway, that just longstory to be like, yeah, I was
shocked about the size of my cat's poop so.
Poop is huge, you heard in your.Poop is huge.
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OK, the second poop related story that I have do do you
remember when someone walked like it was like a random night
and then our friend Harrison wasjust sleeping in his bed and he
like woke up the next day or like woke up in the middle of
the night because someone had walked into the apartment and
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had used their bathroom, fallen asleep on the toilet and tried
to crawl into Harrison's bed. And Harrison was like what the
fuck is going on? And the guy was like, I thought
this was my apartment because itwas like he was like a neighbor
or something. Wait, was this in college?
No. This was like a year after
college. What?
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No, I've not heard that story. Yeah, I'm like, I can't.
I don't know if I have the details all correct, but I'm
pretty sure he like used the bathroom.
Unclear if a poop was in the toilet when he left.
But yeah, I don't know what it is with with random people
coming into a place where they're not supposed to be in,
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peeing or pooping, not flushing and then leaving.
It was the same thing in the Hunting Wives.
Remember that guy entered their entered their house and then
peed in the toilet that didn't flush.
I was like. What is?
What is? With these home intruders and
not flushing. Like they really want you to
know they were there. Yes, so gross.
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Anyway, that's what it reminded me of.
Now that we spent 5 minutes talking about poop.
OK, to bring it back around, yes, it was crazy that they
ignored all of these other different factors and just
fixated on pushing this story. I think it's actually a very
common bias in psychology where you like, have this story and
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you think about all of the things that support that story
and you ignore everything else that doesn't.
Yeah, confirmation bias. There you go.
Yeah, totally. In the Call Her Daddy episode,
she says that the moment when Rafael A kissed her outside of
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the apartment when the police were there, that was like when
they fixated on her and it was because, you know, like the
other roommate, I think Philomena or something, the
other roommate was like hysterical because she had seen
the body, but like, Amanda neversaw the body.
She never knew what was going on.
She was just confused. So when one roommate is
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hysterical and the other one's just like, huh, what's going on?
And then she kisses her boyfriend like it's so yeah,
that's what they fixated on. Yeah, what a shame.
I mean, I think there is also the corroboration, corroboration
in quotes around Meredith's British friends, who also didn't
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really like Amanda, who also waslike, yeah, she's always been
kind of weird. Like we never really liked her.
Like, I guess like, that's also kind of a red flag or more more
about like the confirmation bias, I guess.
But none of that is really explained in the Hulu series.
What, what? What is not explained?
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Like the British friends not liking her for some reason.
Yeah, I don't know about that. That wasn't talked about at all
in her Call Her Daddy episode. So what?
Were like what were the main takeaways in the Call Her Daddy
episode? Honestly, like when she told the
story it was very similar to howthey've portrayed it in the
show. It was that she, like, woke up
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the day after the Halloween festivities, decided to go home
to shower and change. She and Rafael, we're going to
go on a weekend trip to this town that's famous for truffles.
And she, like, wanted to dress really cute.
So she was like going to shower and stuff.
And then she saw a little bit ofblood in the sink, a little bit
of blood on the bath mat. Didn't really think anything of
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it because that's not the first thing you think.
Oh, she also said that on on Halloween night, Meredith was a
vampire for Halloween. And so she had like, fake blood
on her face. And so she was like, yeah, it
like might be fake blood. That was just, you know, she
just didn't clean it up or whatever.
And then but then she saw that Ithink it was Philomena's room
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that was ransacked. Yes.
And and then she had also noticed that the door was open,
but she was like, well, maybe someone forgot to close it
because the door was, like, a little bit broken.
So everything was like, very similar to what they showed in
the show. And then she noticed that
Meredith's door was locked. And that's when she called
Rafael. Yeah.
So what was the thing about Rafael just basically reneging
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on his story? Was that something that he
actually did or did the police just tell her that he reneged?
I think that's something he actually did, yeah.
And then she was like, why wouldhe do that?
Why would he do that? Crazy, maybe?
Just to get them off his back. I don't know.
Yeah. Crazy.
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Yeah. But you know, one thing that
really my my other big take awayfrom the Call Her Daddy episode
was that Amanda has so much empathy for everyone involved in
this case. And like you can.
I mean, you can even see it by the fact that one of the
episodes, this last episode, episode 3, was from the
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detectives perspective and kind of just like showing his
upbringing and like where he comes from in life and like what
led him to to like want so badlyto pin.
This on to women. Yeah.
I grew up across the street froma women's prison and that's why
I hate women. No, just yeah, but just like,
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like he wanted to save his country and like, yeah, he feels
this duty to do right by his country and like, God or
whatever. So that that's one thing.
And then going back to Rafael inher episode, she also was like,
I feel so bad for Rafael A because, you know, I like, I've
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gotten to say my piece. I was able to defend myself.
But like, he's never, he never really had a say in like the
narrative that was shaped aroundhim.
His identity was stripped away from him.
Like he was just made out to be this like little bitch boy who
did whatever I told him to, which is like so inaccurate.
That's what she said in the CallHer Daddy episode, yeah.
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Yeah. And then she she said something
similar about Meredith, which she was like, yeah, you know,
like I'm still here. And and Meredith, Meredith's
character, she's never gotten todefend her character.
She's never gotten to right any wrong narratives that were
written about her because she's not here anymore.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that was also
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really apparent in the show whenher mom comes to visit her, she
said. But, you know, like, in spite of
all this prison stuff, I'm luckybecause I could have been there
the night that Meredith was killed and also could have been
killed. So I'm lucky.
And I was like, yeah, that is aninteresting spin.
Like good for you. She also said that in the
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episode, she was because Alex asked her.
So apparently she was deciding between Germany and Italy for
study abroad, and she ultimatelydecided on Italy because she
already knew German pretty well,so she wanted to learn Italian.
And Alex was like, do you think about that a lot, that you could
have just gone to Germany and none of this would have
happened? And Amanda was like, no,
honestly, that's not the thing that haunts me.
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What haunts me is that if I, if it wasn't for Raffaele, I would
have been in the house that night and I could have died,
too. Yeah.
Crazy. Yeah, I think, I think there is.
She definitely has a lot of empathy there, but there were
times when that empathy was really irritating to me.
So when she had empathy for the police, for example, I was like,
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girl, they are not your friends.When she was saying that, oh, I
was so confused. I wanted to go back into the
police station to try to help them because I just, I was like
a key witness and I really want to help them.
And then they just turned aroundand pinned the murder on her.
That's when I was like, don't trust me.
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This one like love you precious.So cute.
But stop. Just don't say anything.
Lawyer up. Get out.
I know but dude, I feel like if I was 20 years old all by myself
in a foreign country I might have had that mentality too.
You know? Like I I was not the hard and
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selfish person I am now that knows that I got to look out for
#1. I wouldn't say that that is
selfish, maybe hardened, but also just more cognizant of the
mistakes that people can make, especially people in authority
positions. Yeah.
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I will say I was very impressed by how much she spoke Italian.
Same I was like damn this girl is knows like way more Italian
than I could even dream of that way.
Yeah. And I was like, how long have
you been here? Like four months.
That's 4/3. Months, yeah.
She's so good at Italian. But even in spite of that,
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that's why I was like, that's why I was also really irritated
with her because I feel like I get this notion too.
And I go to a foreign land and Ido Duolingo for like 2 weeks
beforehand and then I go to thiscountry and I'm like, let me
order an ice cream in Italian. And then I like say the things
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that Duolingo taught me to say. And then I'm like, I'm so good
at Italian. And then they asked me if I want
to pay by card or cash and I'm like, who's that?
And. Then I get humbled really
quickly. And so I feel like This is why
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if this kind of thing happened to me, I would immediate be
like, I don't under, I don't understand anything.
Get me a lawyer, get me someone who speaks English.
I don't know. I don't even know what I'm doing
here honestly. Yeah, I know, I know.
But yeah, I honestly, it's interesting that, like your take
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away from that, I, I, I, I don'tthink I had interpreted it as
like she had so much pride in her own Italian that she didn't
think she needed a translator. I think I was like, this girl
clearly doesn't know a talent like she, she herself was kind
of, I thought admitting that shedoesn't understand what's going
on. So like, yeah.
I'm absolutely, I'm absolutely projecting right now.
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I just like completely. I know this all right?
Anyway. OK, what else?
Oh, the HIV false positive was crazy.
Oh my God, I should tell you what I wrote down.
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So right before this creepy warden guy gives her a doughnut
thing. Whatever.
Then she gets the positive HIV test and I wrote down Is it
possible to ingest HIV through adoughnut?
Because I was like. You must have given it to her
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through that doughnut. Dirty needles, Dirty doughnut.
Hey, hear me out. But yeah, that was a dirty ass
trick because then they were basically just took that
information to get her to write down all of the people that she
had been with ever, which is. Only 7 like I like who cares
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what number it was? But like for them to paint her
as this like sex crazed maniac. It's like she's a college girl
and she's had seven partners. And she knows the names of all
of them. Yeah.
It's not like she doesn't know. It's not like she was like
random man with red T-shirt. You know, it's like DJ this
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person, Rafael. Man, yeah.
Well, that was the time, I guess.
So actually when all of this stuff was going on.
Do you remember it being in the news?
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You know what? I don't, and I don't know why?
Because I was, I mean, I was like a teenager by then.
Yeah, we were like 1314 years old when all this went down.
Yeah. I was also thinking that I'm
like trying to remember if I hadheard anything about it and I
really can't recall so. Like the first time I had heard
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about it was actually in that show, the flight attendant.
Do you remember that show? We watched it in Philly
together, or we watched some of it in Philly together.
But it's the show with Kaylee Cuoco.
I think that's her name. The girlfriend Big Bang Theory.
Oh yeah, and. She's a flight attendant and
then, like, hooks up with a guy in, like, Singapore one night or
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something. And then she wakes up and he's
dead in the hotel room. And then she calls her lawyer
friend in America who is played by the girl that played
Shoshanna and girls. And she's like, hey, what
happened with that girl, Amanda Knox again?
And then her friends, like, why are you asking me about Amanda
Knox? Yeah.
And that's the first time I'd heard about it.
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And I was like, wait, what? Your steel trap mind is crazy
because I have 0 recollection ofthis movie.
Like this is a fever dream show.This is a fever dream show that
you could have described to me. I honestly don't remember.
We might not have watched the whole thing, but we definitely
started that show in Philly. Are you sure I was awake?
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Anyway, so yeah, that was the first time I had heard the name
Amanda Knox. Wow.
OK, I don't think, yeah, I don'tthink I've heard the name Amanda
Knox before. But then when you said foxy,
Noxy like that, I was like, oh, I think I've heard of this
before, but I'm not sure. Maybe it was just because it was
a rhyming phrase and I was like,oh, rhymes.
Sounds familiar? Yeah.
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Oh yeah. Let's talk.
About Let's talk about Foxy Noxy.
So I don't know if they said this in the show, but apparently
that was her like, prepubescent soccer nickname.
It was just her nickname on her soccer team because she played
at, I guess the top of the diamond.
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I'm not going to pretend to knowlike actual soccer positions,
but she played at the top of thediamond and would like steal the
ball from the other team and like a fox, like stealing
whatever. And her teammates called her
Foxy Noxy when she was like 10 years old.
And then the Italian police werelike, Foxy Nexi, she's sex.
Orgies that found that somehow and just like, put together the
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story of her being like this sexcrazed like freak.
Yeah. Wow that's insane, especially
because they showed that clip. Clip of her being like oh are
you excited to see David tomorrow?
Who's David? The statue of David not the
first time I saw naked David andI was like this is proof that
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she's a sex crazed like orgy addict.
I. Know crazy?
Like I would have made that joke, I know.
It's totally a rooty joke. I do think stylistically, I
thought it was really interesting how they started the
show because, you know, it was kind of like, this is my life.
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And it would like, it would be like, and then it would show her
like eating pasta and licking her plate like this is my
family, blah, blah, blah. And we'd like, I was like, whoa,
what kind of show is this going to be?
And then it turned into like what I expected.
But I was like, wow, that's a very interesting way to start
the show, I thought. I think it's funny that you say
that because even in Episode 3, the way they started, it was
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kind of a flashback into how theinspector grew up, right?
And so I was watching that and Iwas like, am I watching an ad
right now? What is this?
But yeah, I was like, I think the cinematography is really
good. And especially there was 1 scene
where she is talking with her lawyers and she's starting to
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get confused again. And the subtitles go from
English subtitles to the Italianthat's being spoken to just like
garbled words. I was like, oh, that's, that's
really cool. That's like a nice little touch
that they've put in. I thought that was so cool, too.
Yeah. Just to really get the viewer in
on, like, the utter confusion and just like, I have no idea
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what's going on. Yeah.
Wait, so going back to the beginning of Episode 3, where
we're starting to see what's theguy's name's Minjini Manjini.
Oh yeah. Manjini.
Manjini, where we're starting tosee how Manjini is operating as
a police inspector in Persia. And there is one case that he's
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trying to solve the serial killer who murders young lovers
in their car or something like that.
We have the like the Florence killer or whatever.
Yeah, something like that. But then there is there's like a
newspaper article that's like, oh, the killer has been found.
Menini has stopped searching. I was like, does this mean he's
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not a very good police inspector?
And like the media is showing that he's not or that he has a
lot of pressure from the media? Because if they're showing that
he's not a good police inspector, I would believe that.
Like, he's obviously not, but like, has he done anything right
in the case? No.
I don't know. I actually don't remember that
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moment. I wonder if it was partly like a
stylistic choice of like they were just showing a newspaper
being like Mangini, you suck, the killer's been found or
something like that. But I don't know because I I
don't really remember that moment, but.
Yeah. I don't know.
Do you know if all of the characters in the twisted tale
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of Amanda Knox are all real people?
I don't. I know there's a disclaimer.
There's a disclaimer at the end of every episode that's like,
some of these characters are notreal or whatever.
Like everything could be exaggerated.
This is just from Amanda's perspective, but the characters
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that or the the people that she talked about in her interview on
Caller Daddy were Philomena and Laura Meredith Rafael A.
Probably the boys downstairs. Yeah, actually, I don't even
know if she mentioned them, but I do I yeah, I think she did
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mention them, probably. And then, of course, Rudy.
But unclear if the actual police.
Were like, yeah, characters, yeah.
I'm not sure if those were the actual people.
I would believe it if she, like,changed their names and stuff
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just so that they wouldn't get abunch of hate.
Yeah. Oh, also, I have a question.
You know, when they show the flash forward and she's going
back to the town with her husband and her baby and her mom
is the guy that greets her before they go into the church,
is that guy the minister in the prison?
Yeah. I don't know if minister is the
right word. Oh, OK, OK.
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I also was like, wait, I've seenthis guy before.
Why are they pretending like they're meeting for the first
time? And then I realized, yeah, that
it was the guy. Oh, OK, OK.
So I wonder if not knowing what happens in the next few
episodes, if then like he turns out to be like the one friend
she has in all of this or something?
Because that's kind of the vibe I got.
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Yeah, I think that's the vibe I got too.
Oh, do you know if that actuallyhappened?
So in, I guess it's like episodeone or two where she goes back
to meet the police Chief Inspector, but they haven't had
the actual conversation yet. Do you know if that actually
happened, that she went back to Perugia and kind of like came
face to face with the same people who imprisoned her?
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I don't know. And actually that was, I think
that would have happened after her Call Her Daddy interview,
which is where most of my knowledge ends about Amanda
Knox. So yeah, 'cause the interview
was I think in like 2022 or something.
Yeah, right. When her baby was born and I
think they showed that it wasn'ta brand new, brand new baby.
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Yeah, it, I mean it was close toa brand.
Wait, was it close? I actually don't know anymore
but they definitely the year was2022 when they had it at the
bottom of the screen. I'm going to look it up.
Doesn't Diane Knox go back to Italy?
Oh Docs has returned to Italy several times since she was
exonerated, including when she traveled back to Perugia to come
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face to face with clicking the two day article.
Face to face with the prosecutorin her first trial, Giuliano
Manini. So that did happen.
She didn't change his name. She did not change his name.
Whoa, everyone go glad I'm just kidding.
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Yappers, find his address, you know what to do.
Oh my God, hasn't he been through enough?
Hasn't she been through enough? OK, the rest of this today.com
article. She also met up with Sollecito
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Rafael in 2022 and the pair wentto Gubbio, the Italian city that
they plan to visit on the day Kircher was found.
The truffle town the. Truffle Town.
Oh. Yeah.
It sounds like they ended thingson a positive note.
Yeah, it sounds like it. Wait what?
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The court re convicted Knox of slander on June 5th, 2024 and
Knox wiped away tears in the courtroom.
Probably slander for Lumumba. Patrick Lumumba.
Oh. I think let me see yes Amanda
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Knox re convicted of slander in Italy for accusing innocent man
in 2007 murder case. Oh man, that's so sad, 'cause
like, yeah, she was obviously intimidated into saying that in
the first place. Yeah.
Oh yeah, also the phone tapping was real also.
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You know how? They tapped their phones and she
and her mom are always like, whyis there like this clicking
noise? Do you think that's wait, is
that true? Like if someone's tapping your
phone, you hear a clicking noise.
I don't know, yeah. I'm a look it up too OK clicking
tapping OK Reddit is not useful.Unexplained sounds like clicks,
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static beeps or high pitch frequencies might indicate that
someone is listening in on your phone calls or that they're
being recorded. So I think it's like possible.
OK. Oh, I read.
Well, not read. I listen or like, saw maybe saw
some article or something about this interview with Kamala
Harris and how Kamala Harris always uses wired headphones.
(42:46):
And then the reason that she does that is apparently wired
headphones are like the only wayto know that your connection is
secure because if you wear Bluetooth headphones or wireless
earbuds, they can easily. The signal can easily be
intercepted or something like that.
Yeah, that's why. No, just kidding.
(43:09):
Like what? What is someone going to hear if
they tap into my phone? Yeah, Bruce, I'm currently
wearing wired headphones, that'swhy.
But the only reason is because my wireless ones are out of
battery. Wow, interesting.
Damn. Damn.
(43:30):
All right, so the final episode is coming out October 1st and
it's coming out every Wednesday until then.
What do you think is going to happen in the next episode?
Oh, I don't know, maybe so I know that she gets convicted on
December 7th, I believe is what she said.
(43:53):
And so it's already November 7th, I think.
So maybe it'll be like about hertrial, yeah.
Yeah, I'm curious because they found the bloody fingerprints,
so that's like, oh, are they nowgoing to investigate that or
just throw it out? Yeah, Figure out who it is.
(44:15):
Find out the real killer. I guess not.
Figure out who pooped. In the toilet.
Seriously. Oh my gosh.
Wait, can't you just get like DNA evidence from poop in a
toilet? I think so.
I don't know. Do you think someone flushed it
already? No, I don't think so.
(44:37):
We don't think they flushed the poop.
Yeah. Why aren't they testing the
poop? It was like a pretty big it's a
mess. A big.
Thing. Maybe it was.
Maybe it was Mila. Yeah, Bruce Milo is the name of
(44:58):
Ruchi's cat. Oh yeah, so we'll find out.
And next week's episode. Yeah.
What are your predictions for the next episode?
It feels like things are really crawling along timeline wise, so
(45:18):
I feel like it will be more leading up to the trial.
Maybe there will be more flash forwards, I'm not sure.
Yeah, we didn't get any flash forwards this episode.
Yeah, we got a lot of flashbacks.
We got a hello flashback to Manini's time growing up.
(45:41):
Hello, 'cause he's old. Yeah, seriously, I was like,
Dang, like, everything is in black and white.
All this. Fuck Yeah.
Yeah. So I I, I don't know.
I mean, hopefully they actually follow up on those bloody
fingerprints. I'm actually surprised that they
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brought him, they brought them up because I mean, maybe they
just brought them up and then they're going to do their due
diligence and then be like, no, just throw it out because this
is the story that we've been going with.
So. Yeah, it's possible.
Sad. Never study abroad, kids.
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We didn't. We didn't.
Turned out just fine. And we are.
We didn't murder nobody. Did Amanda?
To be rate right? Yeah, I would give the show a
nine out of 10. Whoa, yeah, quality.
(46:47):
Honestly, maybe 10. I'm loving this show.
Like quality and enjoyment. I just think it's, it's so well
made and the story is so gripping.
I mean, the the way they're telling the story is very
gripping. The story itself, of course we
know is like absolutely nuts. And yeah, I really enjoying it.
(47:13):
I think I would give it a 5 out of five for quality for sure.
I think it's pretty good quality.
I would give it a two out of five for enjoyment just because
I project a lot and I feel like it is very hard to watch.
Like, I'll still watch it for sure, but yeah, it's like, hard.
(47:35):
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
It is. It is a hard watch, but it's
like hard in the way that, well,I'll preface this by saying fuck
JK Rowling, but hard in the way that Order of the Phoenix is
hard to read and that like it's so enraging, but like it makes
you feel so much, you know? I did not feel that way about
(47:58):
Order of the Phoenix. OK, actually, I used to.
I that used to be my least favorite book.
And then I listened to a podcastwhere someone was like, but
isn't it the book you felt the most angry?
And the other person was like, yeah.
And they're like, yeah, you feltso much.
And I was like, whoa, you're right.
(48:19):
I felt so strongly. Yeah.
Oh, I did not feel that way about Order the Phoenix.
I was just like, this is so boring.
All this politics are so boring.I don't want to hear anything
about a court scene or anything.I just want to go back to fun
dragon games like the previous Spock.
All right, well. Anyway, but yeah, fuck James
(48:45):
Way. Our binge in progress.
Oh. Yeah, binge in progress.
I actually have a lot of things to talk about that I've been
consuming. We talked about this already,
but I binged Love Life seasons one and two.
Season 1 is about Anna Kendrick.Anna Kendrick is playing this
(49:06):
girl Darby. I forgot her last name, but
she's basically going through her life and it's all about,
like, her relationships and how her life doesn't quite go the
way that she wants it to, but itends up being something that
she's pretty happy with. And then it's the same thing
with Season 2, except this time it's William Jackson Harper.
(49:28):
So Season 2 stars William Jackson Harper and Jessica
Williams, right? Oh, yeah.
And Jessica Williams. Yeah.
Kind of going through the same thing.
I thought it was such a poignantlook into relationships and it
also made me nostalgic for New York.
Oh, are both seasons set in New York?
(49:49):
Yes, yeah, OK. Oh cute I love that show.
I wish they made more seasons. Yeah, I think at times it was
also kind of a hard watch. I'm like, oh, are you doing
this? But I thought it was less like,
it was just like one of those shows where I kept, like,
(50:09):
wanting to know what was next. Yeah, yeah.
Nice. And I also wait, did I talk
about Arrested Development already?
No. Oh, I've been watching Arrested
Development. Oh, it's been a good binge on
the comedy side of things, Yeah.I think I've watched more shows,
(50:30):
but I'll wait until the next episode of DYR.
Yeah, we've kind of had like a abit of a break from binging
shows because last week was the summer I turn pretty, so it was
just one episode per week. Oh yeah, that's what I've been
binging. Yes, actually, because, OK,
(50:53):
Yappers, for those of you who don't know, the reason that I
haven't been doing The Summer I Turn Pretty episodes is because
I just didn't watch it, nor did I have the desire to watch it.
But then I was influenced by Shalini and Aliana's episode on
The Summer I Turn Pretty season 3, Part 2, episode 3 through 7.
And I was like, wait, this kind of sounds good or not good, but
(51:15):
you know, just like how fun watch that.
I feel like I want to get it on.So I started watching from
season 1 and I'm currently on season 2 and maybe I'll join for
Part 3, we'll see. Yay, yay.
I'm so happy to hear that. Yeah.
It's like, it's like such a fun show.
(51:36):
It's like so fun to just like. Be a girl.
And watch the show, you know? It's so is I think that's
exactly what it is. It's just like, oh, I want to be
part of the girl dumb, you know,and like have an opinion on this
summer. I turn pretty.
I have also been binging Love Life.
(51:58):
We're on episode 8 of season 1, which is I think we're about to
watch the episode where it's like her friend's Bachelorette
trip in the cabin. Cringe.
I know I I've Oh yeah, to be clear, yappers, I've already
seen the whole show, but I'm rewatching so I know what's
(52:20):
coming and oh man, this is like my least favorite episode.
It's such a good episode, but it's like so, so hard to watch.
And then my sister and I also just binge Survivor season 8,
which is famously known as the season where Rob and Amber fall
in love. And it was so cute to watch.
(52:43):
And they have the sweetest love story.
It was really cute. Wait so they met on survivor?
This is the story. This is the season where they
met me and they are currently married, have a kid. 4 kids. 4.
They met 21 years ago on Survivor, to be clear.
(53:03):
OK, that's fair. This is yeah, season 8, and it's
what, season 600 something rightnow?
Something like that. 49 voters County.
That's it. What else?
Well, I've been watching How I Met Your Mother, but I think
I've already talked about that. But I'm close to the end now.
I'm on Season 8 of 9. Yeah, wow, wow.
(53:26):
Look at us watching so many things outside of our schedule.
I know. Crazy of us.
Remember that time we talked about books?
Oh, yeah, We really scraped the bottom of the barrel there.
We were like, I don't know, I like, like had some good air
this morning. Some bad suit breathing.
(53:53):
Breathe app, Repeat. All right, well, Yapper's
homework is to go watch Love Life if you need a show to
watch. And then what was the other
thing? Yeah, Oh, I was just going to
say other homework. If you want to know more about
the Amanda Knox story. Well, first of all, she has a
(54:13):
podcast where I'm pretty sure she talks about her own story.
And second of all, listen to theCall Her Daddy episode because
it's just so good. I just love how confident she is
and like stubbornly defensive ofher own innocence.
So go listen to that. And if not read, at least read
the Wikipedia article so that wecan keep talking about spoilers.
(54:39):
Great. Thanks for spoiling with us.
Thanks for yapping with us if you loved this episode, have
some hot takes we missed, or if you've got a show you're dying
for us to binge next, follow us on socials we're at, Binge Yapp,
repeat. Until next time, happy bingeing.
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