Doyle VS the World: The Intersection of History, Faith, and Bitcoin.

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Trey Carson (00:00):
Welcome back to the Bitcoin is Dead podcast.
I am here with a special guesttoday, and I'd like to start off
with my own little introductionof this particular guy.
We've been rolling together nowfor 20-ish years 2014, right.

Thomas Doyle (00:17):
No 2005.

Yeah, you're right, I got out of the Marine Corps
in 2012.
Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, it was two we're a year shy of 20 years.

Yeah, almost almost 20 years yeah, well, I, I I see
you as a person in my life whotaught me a substantial amount.
I mean, when I showed up toboot camp I learned a lot.
But it wasn't until after bootcamp and two years into the
Marine Corps, when I met, kindof met you, that I started

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asking questions that weren'tabout beer or something you know
, that doesn't really matter.
And you were the first person Iever approached with questions
like that.
I remember I was really nervousabout approaching you to ask
about your religion, because Ihad never really talked to
anybody that wasn't of myreligion and even when I did, it
generally wasn't about myreligion.

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You know, like I might, theremight be commentary about the
religion you know on a given day, but there was no in-depth
conversation.
But you've you've taught me alot, and although I can't say
that I've always agreed witheverything that you've said you
and although I can't say thatI've always agreed with
everything that you've said younever really wavered in your
belief.
You were always open to havinga conversation about things.

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But you had already reached apoint by the time I met you that
a lot of your beliefs were set,and not because you couldn't
learn new things, but becausethe things you had learned told
you that there are certainthings that are like an ultimate
truth and there's nothing newto be learned there.

like this is just like gravity is a thing you know
what goes up will come down,type of deal.
I remember, I remember thatargument yeah, bad example, yeah
, bad example that was a drunknight.

But I I wanted to bring you on here for a couple
of reasons.
One is, uh, I think that in thelong term you're actually more
of a bit corner than you know,but in the short term I think
that there's still a lot for meto learn and there's a lot for
people that might be listeningto learn.
So I wanted to work with you toget you on here to let you

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start from the beginning andtell your story, because not
only me but many people we'veknown have run against you on a
given topic, and it's not alwaysthat you win.
It's that you don't lose ifthat makes sense the other
person to change their mind.
But it's very, it's veryuncommon for someone to find out

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to poke a hole logically inyour belief systems, based on at
least the evidence that I'veever been presented in these
conversations.
So I think it's it'll be coolto do and it's something we can
do more than once.
So, as today, you know, if youenjoy it, down the road we can
do more things where we maybedive into a particular topic or

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whatever the relevant news isfor the day, whatever it might
be.
But that all said thomas doyle,gunsmith, uh, brother, son,
friend, philosopher I don't knowall the titles that you might
hold, but welcome, thank you.

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Thank you, it's good to be here.
So where does it start?
How do you tell if today's yourlast day and you got to write
the book of Doyle?
Where does it start?

So originally I was born and raised in
California, in Los Angeles.
I come from a fairlyconservative Catholic family.
My father is of Irish descent.
My mother is of Mexican descent, so it should surprise Nope,
the background should surprisenobody once they know that.
But as a kid growing up, one ofthe greatest things I think my

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dad ever did for me was I askedhim about a dog, and I couldn't
have been more than seven oreight years old at the time and
he didn't know about whateverobscure breed of dog I was
asking about.
And so he just looked at me andthen turned around behind him.
We had a bookcase right behindhim where he was sitting.
He was sitting at the tablereading his newspaper and I

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pointed at the bookcase.
There was a set ofencyclopedias sitting right
there and I'd seen them before.
I knew they were there.
It just never occurred to me asa little kid to try and make
use of them and he just pointedthem out and said the
encyclopedias are right there.
If you really want to knowabout that thing, this dog, you
know alphabetically how thingsline up alphabetically and stuff

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Just look through thoseencyclopedias alphabetically and
you'll probably find it and youcan find all kinds of
information about it.
And so, with some trepidation,I went up there and found the
right encyclopedia and pulledthe encyclopedia down and opened
it up and looked up this dog.
And to this day I don'tremember what the dog was, I
just remember it was something,some kind of a dog, but yeah,

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that I was.
As I was reading about the dog,on the opposite page there was
a diagram of something and itwas showed like a whole bunch of
arrows and lines and stuff likearrows pointing going through
lines and stuff like that, and Iwas like, huh, what's this?
As I finished reading about thedog, I looked at this diagram
that laid out clearly a seriesof events occurring and I

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started reading about it and tothis day I don't remember which
one it was, but it was eitherthe battle of Gettysburg, the
battle of Waterloo or the battleof Stalingrad, and I don't
remember which one I read aboutfirst, which which one I found
which was opposite the dog, butI remember reading that, and
which which one I found whichwas opposite the dog, but I
remember reading that, and andthat this is an illustration of

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a battle that took place andthat that you know, tens of
thousands of men clashed andwere killed on this battlefield
and this is a diagram of whathappened and I was just kind of
blown away by that.
So I immediately read everythingI could read about that and
then started looking for as alittle kid I was just looking
for other diagrams that weresimilar that I, that I could
actually follow along andunderstand what was happening.

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And the first three that Ifound were were Gettysburg,
waterloo and Stalingrad, and Idon't.
I don't remember which one wasfirst, which was the second,
which was third anymore.
Those were the first three thatI found and from there started
reading up on the history of ofthe civil war, the Napoleonic
war and world war two, and fromthere that got me into reading
about world history.
So I got to a point where I wasjust randomly, when I had free

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time, pulling down encyclopediasand just reading up on world
history, just because I thoughtit was fascinating.

What was free time Like?
Like?
Was this something you diddaily, weekly?

um, you, there was pretty much every day I would
have at least a few minutes.
You know, as kids we always hadchores and stuff like that that
we had to do, but there wouldalmost always be, you know, 10
minutes here, 15 minutes.
You know you finish all yourschool work before dinner.
You generally have some freetime.
Uh, you finish all your choresafter dinner.
You know you generally havesome free time.
You finish all your choresafter dinner.
You know there was generallysome free time before bedtime.
So there was.

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It was almost almost every dayI'd be reading about something.

Were your brothers and your sister doing the same
thing.

No.

What were they doing?
What kind of what did theyspend their free time on during
this, this kind of time period?

Well, gerard and Phillip would go out and get in
trouble.
And then, uh, angela, I don'tknow what she was doing, she was
she's the oldest, my oldersister, she's my only sister.
She was always kind of removedfrom the rest of us because she
was the oldest and because shewas the only girl.
Uh, she definitely got into alot less trouble than all the
rest of us, but, uh, yeah, shewas.

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She was schoolwork to dobecause she was always at least
a couple of grades ahead ofanybody and all the rest of us
because she was the oldest.
So she was always very muchremoved from all of us.
And then obviously she went offto go to work and all that when
she turned 18.
So she was always kind ofseparate from us.
Gerard and Philip that's thebrother below me and the brother
above me.
I have one older brother.
Uh, they would, they would gooff and go exploring, they would

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go climbing walls and climbingtrees, and sometimes I'd go with
them.
But for the most part I waskind of the killjoy of the group
.
I was the one being like thisis a bad idea, we're gonna get
in trouble.
This is not.
This is not a good thing to do?
We shouldn't be going throughthe neighbor's yard.
We shouldn't be climbing thistree.
We shouldn't be running throughthat person's back porch we
should be doing all this how oldwere you, uh between?

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7 and 15.

These are the sort of things we would do as young
boys 15 you were still readingencyclopedias, though oh yeah, I
kept doing that right up untilI went to the marine corps.

Do you still read encyclopedias?
So now it's mostly electroniconline.
I'll google stuff online.
But you have, you don'tactually hit an encyclopedias.
So, no, it's mostly electroniconline.
I'll Google stuff online.

But you don't actually hit an encyclopedia,
even digitally now.
You just do like Wikipedia orsomething.

So I will read Wikipedia quite a bit.
I will caveat that for anybodylistening, wikipedia is a great
place to find sources ofinformation.
Wikipedia itself is not a goodsource of information.
It's a great place to findsources, but, yeah, so you don't
want to you.
Wikipedia is a little tooeasily edited and accessed by,

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you know, whoever ever anybodyon the internet, so you don't
want to rely on it too much.
But it is a great place to findsources, and the way I figured
that out was just GooglingMarine Corps stuff, and the
sources that are cited at thebottom of the article are the
Marine Corps publications.
So you can, you could use theWikipedia article to find the
actual Marine Corps doctrinevery quickly.

What was your family life like?

Um, it was definitely a lot more reserved
than most people's.
Like, we didn't have a TV grownup.
Uh, we had a monitor that washooked up to a VCR and so we
could watch movies and sometimeswe would get TV shows on VHS
and stuff like that.
I think the first movie we everwatched in color because the
original monitor we had wasblack and white, and the first

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movie we ever watched in colorwas Beauty and the Beast and we
had seen it in black and white,so seeing it in color I remember
that was a big deal does itstill?

does that movie still hold something for you?
Because of that?

I do, I do still like, even though like it's a
kind of a girl movie.

Yes, yeah, as typical as little kids we.

We watched all the disney cartoons, all the disney
renaissance movies aladdin,little mermaid, uh, beauty and
the beast, of course, um, theemperor's new groove.
I remember that was when thatone came out.
It was kind of later than mostof those other ones, but that
one, that one, was always one ofmy favorites.
I quoted that movie for yearsand every once in a while I
still quote it from time to timeyeah, but were your?

what were your parents like?

um, so as long as I've known them they're.
They're very sensible andresponsible and reasonable
people, you know, salt of theearth kind of people.
But I think most people wouldthink of them as kind of boring,
which is kind of funny, becausegrowing up as a kid I always
heard stories that my dad hadhad a 68 Chevelle when he was

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young, when he was in his likeearly twenties, and for years I
had no idea what that was and Ithought of it as as some kind of
small, sensible, economical carand I'd always heard how my dad
did racing and stuff like thatand I never understood that.
That never made sense to me howhe could have been racing in
this sensible, economical car,because that's always what he

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drove.
And then one day I was actuallyin Miramar.
I'd already joined the MarineCorps, I'd already been in for a
couple of years.
I was in Miramar and I saw oneof the car trader magazines or
something sitting there by thecash register as I was walking
to the cash register and I thinkthe one that was on the
magazine was a 69 Chevelle.
But for anyone who doesn't know, that's a fairly powerful

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muscle car and, yeah, it's notsensible or economical at all.
It is very much a powerfulracing car, muscle car from the
60s and, yeah, I almost trippedover my own feet.
I couldn't believe it.
So then I started asking around, asking questions of other
people in the family who wereolder, who were around in that
time, and found out thatapparently back in the day my

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dad was actually a somebody inthe street racing community in
los angeles.
He was a known person.
People knew patty doyle because, yeah, they would go.
His name is patrick doyle yeah,patty, that just yeah.

I couldn't imagine calling your dad patty yeah yeah
, it's, it was.

It was crazy.
It blew my mind when I foundthat out, but yeah, apparently
at the time him and my mom weredating.
He was a freaking street racer.

Yeah.

That was that he was like the like fast and
furious kind of shit.
He did that for real, but soyour?

mom would have been around during that time period
too, yeah.

So they met as kids.
Their families lived across thestreet from each other and
their mothers, my grandmothers,were friends, and that was how
they met.

So she knew him from early, early on.
Yeah, they knew each other askids growing up, yeah, so she
knew him before he got intowhatever wildness he got into,
and then after.
Yes, that's pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah she, she knew the whole thing and
yeah they.
They came together and decidedto settle down and have a family
.

Now you do have a big family.

Yes, yeah, I have have a family.
Now you do have a big family.
Yes, yeah, I have one sisterand seven brothers.
Was that intentional?
Yes, they went into it, my momand dad.
Their intention when they gotmarried is we are going to build
a big family how did they know?

and I'm imagining it was just biological but did
they pick a stopping point ordid it just nature took its
course?

they said we're going to have as many children
as god will bless us with.

Okay, so they could have had 12, 15.
If the time had, if time andbiology had allowed, yes, they
could have had as many as asthey could.
Yes, I'm planning a trip,obviously, to Japan.
Yeah, and it's five of us.
Yeah, and that is a hefty load,right financially.
Yeah, did your parents take youguys or do a lot outside of the

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home?
And if they didn't, was do youthink it was financially related
?

um, we did stuff occasionally.
I remember as a kid going to,uh, seaworld, uh, knott's berry
farm, which is like a amusementpark type thing, that's that's
up there in los angeles.
Um, we went to disneyland a fewtimes.
So we, we would, we wouldoccasionally go places and do
things.
So, yeah, it was.

It was not a common occurrence that was like a once
a year kind of thing.
How did you get there with 12people?

uh, my, my parents had a big ass van did you have
like a 15 passenger?

15 passenger, yeah, big one, was it white?

yes, well, first we had a tan and then we ended
up getting the 15-passenger onelater.

So did you guys have three vehicles, because I
imagine you guys didn't drivethe 15-passenger van every day.

No, that got driven around all the time.
That was my mom's standardriding vehicle.

So your mom would just take off to the grocery
store by herself in a15-passenger van.

There was almost always somebody with her, okay,
so yeah, van, there was almostalways somebody with her, okay,
so yeah.
And especially going to thegrocery store.
This is something that a lot ofpeople don't realize nowadays.
When you have a lot of kidslike that, the way to make it so
much easier on yourself is tohave the kids start doing things
, yeah, and they start taking alot of the stress and the burden
off of, you know, normal upkeepof the family.

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For example, when, when momwould go shopping, she would
always make sure she had acouple of us with her to push
the carts and haul the groceriesand move all the stuff.
Cause, obviously she, you needa lot of groceries to feed that
many people.
How many gallons of milk perweek?
Um, at least six.
No, cause she would.
She would make a separate milkrun on Saturdays.

So probably around eight she had a milk run day.
Yes, yeah, that was a thing.
If you had been born a fewyears prior, you would have made
the milk man, like at, a lot ofmoney.

Yes, cause he would have stopped by there like
every other day.
Yes, well we, if we had beenborn in that era, we probably
would have got a cow.

Yeah, yeah.

Los Angeles has all kinds of reasons about that.
I don't know when milkmanstopped.

I don't know when that became a not thing anymore.
I think it was in the 50s.

Yeah, yeah, I think it was after Los.
Angeles.
I could be wrong, but I it wasalready Los Angeles, yeah.

I've always understood your upbringing.
In the way that we've messedwith each other over the years,
I've always understood yourupbringing is, uh, not, I
wouldn't say strict, that's notthe right word for it.
That's not how I feel about it.
I would say, by modernstandards, strict would be a
good word.
Yeah, I, I think it is a goodword, but it doesn't describe
how I've always viewed it, whichis like internal they, they.

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It was a family that had acertain set, a certain system, a
certain set of rules, yeah,that they maintained, and the
family was a tight nip, tightknit internal unit where I
understand that you had extendedfamily, cousins and other
things, but within, within the,the children of your parents,
there always seemed to me to bea cohesion, yeah, and a tight

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knit kind of mentality wherewhat went on outside the family
was one thing, what went oninside the family was another,
and inside the family the ruleswere structured as such that,
again, I don't feel that it wasper se strict.
It was just that you knew whatthe rules were and so they were
easy to abide by, like if youdid something dumb, you knew

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what was going to happen.

It wasn't a question.

There wasn't like a conversation that was had
between parents of otherfamilies, like what do you think
I should do or what would youdo?

Oh yeah, you knew what the rules were, and my
parents believe in spanking.
So, yeah, we all got spanked.

That's how it worked.
But Angela is the oldest.
Yes, is she old enough beyondyou guys that she didn't get
spankings?
By the time you were gettingspankings, like was there a big
enough gap between you guys?

so this is one thing I think was just a
difference between boys andgirls.
Angela caused way, way lesstrouble.
I know she did get spanked afew times, but it's like our
entire childhood.
She got spanked maybe two orthree times okay, whereas the
rest of us we'd get spanked twoor three times a month.

Your dad.
I feel like your dad waswhipping somebody's ass every
single day of the week, Likehe'd come home from work and
just hand his hands just warmedup.
He's been rubbing his pants onthe way there.

Oh hands, that was , that's amateur, that's amateur
hour, oh yeah.

Your mom already had the drawer open with the
spoons hanging out when he gothome.
You're still an amateur hourthere, buddy.
Okay, where are we going?
Are you saying that your dadwas with people with extension
cables?

So it went from hands and then to like plastic
wiffle bat, and then to thefreaking spoons oh wiffle, bat
oh wiffle.
That was a joke.
That broke almost immediately,and it was utterly useless.

I grew up with a lot of grandmas who throw a
slipper yeah right, andsometimes they didn't even use
their hands, right it was justlike a foot movement suddenly
and like a slipper.
A slipper would go across theroom, yeah, but it seems like a
whiffle bat is such a randomchoice, like your dad was just
mad one day and there was awhiffle bat nearby.
It could have been a tomahawksteak and he would have grabbed
it.

He deliberately that was when we were all little
so he deliberately grabbedsomething that wouldn't hurt us
and then, as we started gettingbigger, it didn't hurt us, so it
had no effect.
And he eventually broke it.
And it just had no effect.
So he had to go to somethingbigger.
And that's when the spoons camein and we got a little bit
bigger and those stopped havingan effect.
So then he went up to belt.

Then we got a little bit bigger and those
stopped having an effect.
So then he went up to belt.
How big do you got to be for abig ass wooden spoon not to have
an effect?

Because I imagine that hurts thoroughly.
No, not really.
Once you do something reallystupid like freaking.
I'm trying to think ofsomething like just dump half a
roll of toilet paper in thetoilet.
You know the sixth time you'vebeen told to flush every piece
of toilet paper.
You, the toilet.
You know the sixth time you'vebeen told to flush every piece
of toilet paper you put in thereand you just ignore it and put

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that in so you overflow thetoilet and there's now poop
water on the floor.
You need something to tell youhey, don't do that.
And obviously just telling youdoesn't sink in, it doesn't
leave an impression.
So every single one of us hasdone that at least two or three
times.
This is an ongoing battle thatmy.
This is one of many ongoingbattles that my parents fought

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and eventually won.
Like, none of us has clogged atoilet in years, and we've
learned if you clog the toilet,fix it.
That's.
That's another thing that thatwe learned.
You know, don't put it on momand pop to fix it, you fix.
If you fix the problem beforethey get there, then there's no
problem.
You just explain oh hey, Ifixed this thing, and they're
like, oh okay, when you leave agiant mess of shit on the floor

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for mom and pop to clean up,they get a little upset and and
this is this is part of thetrick of raising kids you get
them to start cleaning up theirown messes and it makes a whole
lot less heartache and pain formom and pop.

Yeah, but I could share a story about you clogging
up a toilet.

All right, what's?

that you don't remember.
It was cold and you clogged upthe damn toilet and I was up
under the house trying to cleanit and we had that plumber guy
show up.

I do remember there was nothing I could have
done about that.
That wasn't the toilet itself,that was the plumbing under the
house.

Yes, yes, I know, it just happened to be you, just
happened to be the one whodiscovered it.

Yes, yeah, there was absolutely nothing I could
have done about that.

Yeah, that wasn't your fault.
Yeah, so you grew up Catholic?
Yes, I grew up Protestant, yeah, yeah, and Protestant might be
even like a light term, becauseit was.
I don't think most of thepeople in my church could have
told you what a Protestant wasif they knew they were Baptist.
That's all they knew, right, itwas the King James Bible from
front to back, and that was theend of the story.
There's no more conversation.
Catholics, whoever else like it, doesn't matter.

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There's not even a conversation.
It's dead on arrival.
So growing up Catholic I'velearned from you over the years
was much different.

Yeah.

I also feel like that's something that you've
also had to defend for a lot ofyour life.
I don't know about it duringyour childhood, but I know that
after you grew up and joined theMarine Corps our time together
there everyone assaulted yourreligion.

Yes.

At some point, to some degree, yes, even if it was
just through, something youwouldn't do.
Like you, yeah, like youwouldn't eat breakfast before,
uh, you went to church yes andyou like when lent came out.

How long did it take you to realize that?
Years years and I was blownaway when I found out I'd known
you, for it was after the marinecorps when I found that out so
that I had known you for 10.

It was after the Marine Corps when I found that
out, so that I had known you for10 years.
Yeah, you're a sneaky thing,yeah, the whole leaving your
house or leaving my house on aSunday morning I thought you
were getting a haircut.

I mean I did get a haircut after church.

Yeah, but tell me about, like, how you perceive
your, your upbringing from aCatholic perspective and then
what it felt like when youwalked out from your family and
joined the marine corps andstarted interacting with people
that weren't of the catholicfaith in mass.
I know that you had plenty ofpeople you interacted with
before, but when you were thelone catholic or the lone
outspoken catholic, yeah, and alot of the circles that we found

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ourselves in, yeah, how didthat?
How did that work out for you?

so as, as a Catholic, among Catholics,
occasionally you'll findsomebody who believes something
kind of weird and it doesn'treally make sense most of the
time, like what Um, what's theuh, the um, uh, the circumcision
thing?
A lot of people think thatCatholics have to be circumcised
, which is very, very strange tome, because if you've actually
read the Bible you know that inthe Acts of the Apostles, peter

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and Paul had that debate like2,000 years ago.
And in the Bible the way thedebate ends is Jesus gives a
vision to Peter, because Jesushas already been crucified,
already risen from the dead,he's already ascended to heaven,
so he's gone and Peter was likethe leader of the apostles.
And then Jesus picked Paul tokind of help with the

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evangelization and spreading ofthe gospel.
And they're having this debatebetween them.
Peter believes that everybodywho joins the new Christian
faith has to be circumcised andhas to become a Jew, basically,
and Paul is disputing thatbecause Paul's preaching to the
Gentiles, the Greeks and theRomans and such, and they're
having this big debate and therewas a big council in Jerusalem

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where they all came together totry and decide what they were
going to do about it.
And basically Jesus gave Petera vision and essentially told
Peter shut the hell up.

Paul's doing what I want him to.
Let me stop you right there.
There was a debate in antiquityabout chopping off tips of
dicks.
Yes, like a full debate.
Like they organized, got peopletogether.

Yes, and talked about tips of dicks yeah, well,
the foreskin of the dick.
Yeah, you have too much cock.

Yes, you need to cut some off, so that's that's
the event that we are now like.
That's how circumcision wasdefined, for the catholic
religion was a organized cockcutting or cock cutting
conversation yes say that threetimes.
No, I don't mean to joke, butlike you gotta, yeah, like the,

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imagine being a bystander and belike what's that meeting about?
And they're like, well, they'retalking about cutting off the
tips of each other's dick.

They're really having a debate about it serious
yeah that seems strange it doesseem strange today, because we
don't understand the severityand importance of cultural
imperatives that existed at thetime and that was a really big
one for Jews and remains areally big one to this very day.
Jews, male Jews, are allcircumcised.
You know, if, if they'rereligious Jews, if they're just

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cultural Jews, they might, theymight forego that, but if
they're a religious jew and theyactually believe in the jewish
faith and follow the jewishtradition to any extent, a male
jew is circumcised but from thecatholic perspective, not
required not required frownedupon um well, there's no real
reason for it, like the only.
The only actual function of itis it makes hygiene simpler.

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But you know, proper modernbathing takes care of that
problem.
But yeah, that's.
That's something that Catholicsare still oddly split on, and I
don't under like every time Iencounter a Catholic who
believes that yeah, you got tobe circumcised.
I'm like what and and it's notpart of the?

catholic.
There's nothing in the catholicteachings that says you should
be outside of like.

The bible is one section of teachings, but well,
all catholic teaching is basedon the bible and the bible very
explicitly says no, you don'thave to, it's not required what
so?

you grew up Catholic house, yeah, but then I
go into Marine Corps.

Brand is a weird Catholic folk, yes but usually
it's one specific thing likethat and that'll be it.
The rest of their beliefs makeperfect sense and I understand
where all the rest of theirbeliefs come from.
Then I get out into the worldand start meeting non-Catholics
and I was shocked by how oftentheir beliefs are based on

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nothing.
And there's one reason why Ihad no trouble constantly
getting pushback from people,because I would start
questioning them on theirbeliefs and their doubts and why
do they doubt this or thatparticular thing and why do they
believe in this or thatparticular thing?
And I found that oftentimespeople's beliefs are based on
almost nothing, or or maybethey're just based on.
My dad said so and I never eventhought to to try and check on

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that or investigate it a littlebit.

But the sheer quantity of people that that I
know at least that have hadcommerce conversations with you.
Yeah, about not necessarilybeing catholic, but about being
a religion, yeah.
Did you ever question yours?
Did you ever waver because ofconversations or quantity of
conversations?
No.

No, nobody has ever presented me an argument
that made me think, huh, maybethe church teachings are wrong.
I've never heard an argumentlike that.
Now, this is it's importantbecause part of my upbringing
was being educated on thehistory of the church and the
history of the world and such,and so I'm very much aware that

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the Catholic church is a humaninstitution.
Now, as a Catholic, I believethat God is guiding this
institution and will prevent itfrom going too far astray and
will prevent it from, forexample, teaching heresy.
But that doesn't mean thepeople in the church are
incapable of sin.
Yeah, they're still people.

They're still human .
Yes, does that include the Pope?

Yes, Now I don't think the Pope is capable of
teaching, like a bishop couldtry and go teach heresy and
become a heretic bishop.
I don't think that's possiblefor the pope.
I believe that, like if he wereto try to consciously,
deliberately try, god wouldliterally strike him dead.
So you die of a heart attack ora stroke or something.

You believe that if he came out and said something
that was completely against thebasics of christianity or
catholicism or god, it's godhimself?
Yeah, that there would be anevent in which, before he could
execute, before he could makestatements, whatever the case
may be that God would juststrike him down?
Yeah, like full-heartedly.

Yeah, or maybe that wouldn't be necessary.
Maybe he's getting ready to godo the speech and there's a
lightning storm and theelectrical system goes out and
he can't make the speech, so ithas to be canceled.
It might be something like that.
But if he was like bound anddetermined yeah, I'm going to do
this, I'm going to make thishappen yeah He'd, he'd have a
heart I think God would takenothing like that ever happened

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historically with popes likethings.
Interestingly enough, not asingle one has ever tried to say
this is justified underCatholic doctrine.

Can you give us an example of what this would be.

The Borgia popes no, no, no.

Perfect example of that An example of what a Pope
could say or be going to saythat would.
That would kind of cause thisreaction.
Uh, killing your children isacceptable to include abortion
yes so there's obviously in atleast in that statement there's
there's ambiguity, because youcould say children, post-birth

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baby or in a fetus or whatnot,pre-birth right like well that's
common.

That's the thing there.
There actually is nodistinction in catholic doctrine
.
It's it's a human life.
The only acceptablecircumstance where one human can
destroy another is the otherhuman poses an imminent threat
to your life.
So you are defending your lifefrom imminent threat is it?

is there other?
I know I've always kind of gotthe impression that abortion is
something that Catholics arevery vocal about, like not vocal
in the outspoken way, but ifyou ask them, is it okay, in
most cases they will say no andthey don't really have a lot of
exceptions.
Is there another topic withinthe Catholic religion that
people universally believe thatthey would feel so passionate

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about if, if, say, societystarted violating that
particular belief?
Because abortion is a very,very, it's a very, very
sensitive subject?

yes but it's also like almost immediately
controversial as soon as you saythe word, people expect
controversy yeah, yeah, it's amajor political debate is there?

is there another topic that's that hot within the
catholic religion?
Just America, or whateverculture, just doesn't happen to
hit on it.

Women can't be priests.
That's another big one.

Within the church itself Correct Like within.
Is this even within your family?

Or is your family kind of within it?
This is a universal Catholicdoctrine.

But the debate about it.

it so the their most other churches, like
baptist churches, protestantchurches, the anglican church in
england, will have uh womenordained as priests.

Why?

there is no such thing as a as a woman.

Catholic priest why is that?

because priests all have apostolic succession,
meaning every priest can tracehis lineage from the person who
ordained him to the person whoordained him, to the person who
ordained him, back to one of the12 apostles.

But couldn't.
If a priest today ordained afemale, couldn't she chase her
lineage all the way back to?
Because you're not talkingabout biological lineage.

Well, part of that requirement is all the apostles
were men.
Jesus specifically selected 12men.

So how does Mary fit into that?
I know that she wasn't one ofthe 12 men but, she was
obviously very close to Jesus.

Yes.

Could it not be?
And obviously it's too late totrace it back to Mary per se
Well, she was not a priest.
What was her role?
I've never really understoodher role because the Catholics
seem very attracted to Mary.

Which Mary are you talking about?
Because there's a couple ofMarys in the Bible.

Primarily the one that I see on candles a lot.

That would be the Virgin Mary.
There you go.
That's the mother of Jesus.

Okay, so I'm not talking about.
I'm talking about the one thatfollowed Jesus.

So Mary Magdala.

Sure.

She's not the one on the candles, she's not the
one that we would venerate.

Okay, I know that she wasn't one of them, but she
was very close to Jesus and it'stoo late to go back now and say
, well, if she were to bestowher—if she were a priest she
could bestow her priesthood upona lady of her time.
And then you would have thesame thing on the male side.
But why couldn't a male todayjust say you're preaching the
word, you're doing the thingsthat the church wants.

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Why couldn't she do it?

Because the apostles were specifically given
the authority to do that andshe was not.

Yeah, but the apostles are gone and now their
lineage, who still have the sameauthority.

Yes.
Couldn't they say no, why thatauthority was not granted to not
granted.
We do not know or understandwhy.
We can guess and speculate,yeah, but jesus specifically
gave that authority to the menin that followed him.
What do you to the women?

where.
Why are catholics from my, frommy perspective really really
interested in?
Why is there so many picturesof a mary?
I can't necessarily always knowwhich one, but why is mary such
a big deal?
Because, like, if you go to abaptist church, yeah, it's jesus
, jesus cross, jesus, jesus.
You won't see a picture of marymost of the time.
I I've never been inside of acatholic church.

Yeah, but seeing pictures of mary in catholic
church is very common.

Yeah but it seems like anytime I run into a place
that's predominantly Catholic,for whatever reason, there's
lots of pictures of Mary and notas many.
I mean, there are obviouslygoing to be pictures of Jesus,
but yes, yeah, there'll be like80% Mary pictures of Mary yeah.
Why?
Why are Catholics interested inMary?

Because she is much closer to us than he is.
She is fully human.
He is both human and god.
She is fully human and, to putit simply, she has his ear.
There's a very specificincident in the in the gospels
where she wanted something doneand his exact reply to her was

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woman, what would you have me do?

my time has not yet come so even jesus started his
reply with woman.

Yes, okay, yes that is exactly how he replied
to, which she seems to havecompletely ignored that.
And this is this was at awedding feast, which brings me
into another weird belief thatsome catholics have about
catholics shouldn't drink at all.
That's weird because at thisparticular wedding feast that
they were attending, they ranout of wine, like the booze is

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all gone.
We've run out of boo because atthis particular wedding feast
that they were attending, theyran out of wine, like the booze
is all gone.
We've run out of booze at thiswedding.
And so Mary goes to Jesus, likethe disciples, and some of the
servants that knew them came toher and told her we have this
problem, we're trying to figureout what to do, and we don't
know what to do.
So she goes to him and says,hey, they're out of wine.
And he says what do you want meto do about it?
It's not my time to startworking miracles and doing

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things he said.
I'm off the clock Basically.
And she seems to havecompletely ignored that and gone
to the servants and says, hey,do whatever he tells you.
And then he went along with itand, freaking, told them you
know, take all these stone jarsthat you have here and go fill
them with water.

He's probably like ah fuck.

We don't know if he said anything of that nature
because that's not recorded.
But he told the servants to fillup the stone jars with water
and then draw some of the waterout and take it to the head
waiter.
And the servants are like, ohokay, I don't get it, whatever.
And so they filled up all thesejars with water, drew some out
and took it to the head waiter.
And when the head waiter tookit, it was wine, and he tasted

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it and was amazed by how, whatexcellent wine it was, and
actually went to the groom andcomplimented the groom for
having saved the best wine forlast.
And at that point all the waterin the stone jars had become
wine.
So, in other words, not only isit acceptable to drink, but
Jesus brought the good booze.

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He didn't just bring averagebooze.

He bought the good booze and he didn't pay tax on
it either.
So technically, Jesus is amoonshiner.

Technically, we can discuss that you are
supposed to pay just taxes?

well, we can.
We can argue what taxes arejust, and I will argue.
There are a great many taxestoday that are not just in the
eyes of the irs, jesus was abootlegger, a moonshiner if he
had been living in the unitedstates.

Well, no, he didn't sell it.
He did not sell, yeah, but hereceived no profit.

Yeah, but you can't make liquor, regardless if you
sell it or not.
You can't make, you can'tdistill liquor over a certain
quantity.

So if he was at a wedding, presumably there was
enough people there depends onwhat the quantity is per person
and all that, but yeah, butanyway, jesus brought the boost,
so drinking is perfectlyacceptable.
It's being drunk that's sinful,so there.
So there's a distinction therethat a lot of people miss.
But the whole point of that, tobring it back to the subject of
Mary, when she wanted him to dosomething, he did it.

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He honored his mother andrespected her wishes.
So we can ask for herintercession with him, and she
will often help us if we come toher in a spirit of humility and
repentance, and such will.
She will often help us if wecome to her in a in spirit of
humility and repentance, andsuch.
So do you pray help us.

Do you pray to mary at some point?
Not you specifically, but is itlike a catholic thing where you
actually pray to mary insteadof to god or to jesus?

yeah, we pray for her to intercede, okay.
So it's a.
It's a kind of another kind offine distinction that a lot of
people miss we will pray to herand we will pray to saints.
We do not worship them.
Yeah, worship is reserved forgod.

So there's there's a distinction, and I'm guessing
that, when you like, from aritual perspective, if you have
a statement or a saying or aproverb that you might go over
some are, some are not like youwouldn't say the same thing to
god or to jesus per se as youwould to Mary?
Yeah, in your ritual purposes,or maybe in your prayers?

Yes.

It's treated differently.

Yes.

Okay, so you grow up, you hit all this not
anti-Catholic, but all this.
What is wrong with you?
Why won't you do these things?
And I remember many things thatyou wouldn't do for many years
and some of them you still don'tdo.
Yeah, Facebook.
And I remember many things thatyou wouldn't do for many years,
and some of them you stilldon't do, yeah, um Facebook.

You wouldn't do Facebook for many years.
Yeah, that's.
That's not cause I think it'ssinful, it's just cause I kind
of hate it.
I still kind of hate it to thisday.

You were just in a different classification.

Yeah, and I also hated having pictures of me
taken.

I've never not seen you.
I don't know if it depends onthe size of the meal or if
you're eating a certain type ofthing, but it seems like you
always pray it's before a meal.

That's the distinction in my mind, is I
pray before meals.
If it's just a snack, there'snot really any need for it.
But if I'm going to sit downand eat a meal, I'm going to say
a quick prayer to ask God tobless the food.

So, with all the consistencies that I saw, you
maintain and this is now for meand you going on 20 years but
you've obviously got life beforeme, so that's another 30 years,
17 years, yeah, so your total35, 38 years yeah.
So you've got a long time ofmaintaining these beliefs.
Did you feel like, when youcame out of the marine corps or
at a certain point in the marinecorps, that you were not the

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same person as you were before,even if you believe the same
things that you're, just theoutlook had changed no, no, my
outlook hasn't really changed atall.

What would you?

say, changed most about you in the marine corps.
Because the marine corps andfrom my perspective, was your
your first outinging into theregular per se world.
Because your family, again frommy perspective, was very
reserved, very inside the house,not a lot of external exposure,
not a lot of media.

Yeah.

Kind of just like mom pop and this.
That's the end of the road,that's the authority.
Everybody else is just outthere somewhere.

Yeah.

So what, what do you think changed the most about
you after the marine corps,after your exposure to the
marine corps?

um, I've definitely become a lot more
skeptical of authority now thatI recognize how um incompetent a
lot of authority is.
And and you know people thatyou think would be the oh, these
guys, they're up in thesehigh-powered, incredibly
important positions.
They must really know somethings, they must be aware of

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all kinds of crazy business andthey must be just incredible
wizards of management andunderstanding and all this kind
of stuff.
And you start to realize a lotof times they're not.
They're just regular people andsometimes they're absolute
buffoons and morons who havejust been able to put on a good
show, yeah, and and convincepeople that they're smart when
they're really idiots and andsometimes they are really smart,

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sometimes they're really reallysmart.
And, like we have a chess boardhere sitting in front of us,
they might be the best chessplayer in the world.
They don't know jack aboutwoodworking.
Yeah, they don't know.
They don't know freaking.
They don't know their ass fromtheir elbow when it comes to
changing a tire on a car, youknow they, you know.
When it comes to practicalapplications of things, they
don't know.
They don't know a damn thing.

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And and yet they're incrediblyhigh level management and giving
orders that are causingdramatic changes in things, and
so I started to see a lot ofthat.
And then there's the, thefamous, my famous bureaucracy
thing that I noticed when I wasgoing to school in Roxborough.
I thought this was a feature ofLos Angeles, where the, the

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government agencies are, arejust using money just because
they can.
I saw it a little bit in themarine corps when working in the
, the training shop in in masstoo, where you had a budget.
You have to spend that budget,because if you don't, you may
not get that whole budget nextyear and you might need it next
year, so you better spend thewhole thing.

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Yeah, I remember hearing thattoo yeah, and it's like we don't
need this.
We've got.
You got, however, manythousands of dollars for office
supplies and chairs and desksand everything.
We don't need new desks andchairs, like.
We do need some more fuel forthe trucks and we need money for
range time so we can go out anddo more training.
Why don't we just spend allthis money that we don't need

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for furniture on training timeProblem solved, need for
furniture on training timeproblem solved and got told that
that was just a ridiculous ideathat they would never allow us
to do that.
That's, that's not possible.
You, you can't do that.
Don't worry about that.
Sarin doyle, those the officersare going to are figuring this
stuff out.
You don't understand.
And what I didn't understand atthe time is that higher up and

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I'm using air quotes as I saythat for anyone who can't see
has made a decision and peoplewho make decisions do not like
to have their decisionsquestioned by the people who are
supposed to be carrying outtheir decisions.
So there's a very strongtendency to just do what you're

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told, because it makeseverybody's life easier,
especially when there's largeamounts of money being thrown
around and especially whenyou're responsible for just
spending the money and it's notyour money exactly.
It's not your money, so you just, you just blow it and and you
just use it one thing the funnypart is the marine corps, I
learned, pisses away millions ofdollars every month, every

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single month, pisses away tensof millions of dollars every
month.
But if you compare the MarineCorps to any other branch of the
service, the Marine Corps comesout of that looking like
wizards of thriftiness andsavings, and the whole military
as a whole.
If you compare the military toany other branch of the federal
government, the military comesout of that comparison looking

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like masters of financialmanagement and it's really
really terrible.
The Marine Corps pisses awaytens of millions.
The rest of the freaking, therest of the US military, pisses
away hundreds of millions, ifnot billions.
The rest of the federalgovernment pisses away hundreds
of millions, if not billions.
The rest of the federalgovernment pisses away hundreds
of billions.

I.
I mean, I see a little bit ofthat even at, like the school,
like our school level, yeah, theamount of administrators and
how much they get paid.
I mean one of them, asuperintendent, just resigned,
yeah, because of because he wasacting, uh, in bad faith and did
some some sketchy things andthere's no criminal charges, but
it's like, yeah, okay, I'll bowout, you know type of thing, at

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least to my knowledge, but hegot like a quarter million
dollar severance package for alocal, for like a local school
district.
It's not like we live in a bigcity yep, this is the local
rinky-dink school system oh,that reminds me of the thing
that I saw.

This was in Roxborough.
If you ever watch, like city,municipal workers working on a
street and especially if youdrive past them daily over an
extended period like a month orso, and you watch them doing
some street work and you drivepast them every day, you'll see
it, especially if you go bythere multiple times a day.
And when I was going to schoolin Roxborough there was one
particular corner that I had togo around every single day and

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they were doing work there.
So I saw this happen and I hadseen it in Los Angeles and I
thought it was a feature of LosAngeles and discovered that no,
it's a feature of allmunicipalities everywhere.
Watch what they do as they'repaving that street.
You will see them rip up theold, freaking the old street,
the old asphalt, the oldconcrete, and then they'll lay
down fresh concrete, newconcrete.

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They'll repave the whole thingand they rip up the new pavement
and they start laying in likeconduit and piping and stuff
like that and they repave overthat.
Then they rip up all thatpavement and then they start
laying in a sidewalk so you'resaying they leave the same
pavement three times a atminimum?

Yes, you saw this.

Yes, that's crazy.
I watched them do it and thisis, like I said, that's the norm
in Los Angeles.
That happens all the time inLos Angeles and I thought it was
just the corruption of LosAngeles.
And then I saw them do it inRoxborough, north Carolina.

Why do you think that is Like how did we come to
this point?
Like, how did we come to thispoint?
Why do you think they're doingthat?

It is a natural feature of bureaucracy that if
you're getting paid to do a joband then when you're done,
you're not going to get paidanymore.
Would you want that?

job to end.
What if we just paid them aflat amount?
What do you mean?
Like you have a month to dothis job and the salary is, or
the pay is, $1 million tocomplete the project All right
Now they've spent a milliondollars and they've took their
month and the project is 90%done.

Okay, then what?

I mean, I would imagine that in like a common
sense world, either there'd be adiscussion or there'd be some
employee changes.
So somebody would be fired, inother words, I mean, I presume
I'm not saying that in everysituation that's going to be the
case, but if this is how youoperate, then yeah, but here's
the problem.

The guy who owns that construction company is the
brother-in-law of the citysuperintendent.

But where do you think it all comes from?

It is.
It is a natural function ofbureaucracy.

All bureaucracy Go one step beyond that.
Why do we have the bureaucracy?

Because people believe that you need government
to do those kinds of things.

What do you believe in that?
In that context, how do roadsget built without government?

How did they get built when it wasn't
government's responsibility todo it?

don't know who built roads before government.

I'm not sure people private citizens would
build the roads or pay to havethe road built.
How to run?
When it was general privatecitizens doing it, they would
hold that, cut that.
Contractor, better make surethat road got built, because if
they didn't, the privatecitizens would take them to
court.

How did rome build roads?
Was it the rome government orRome citizenry?

That was the Roman government, that was the Roman
army specifically.

They did a pretty good job.
Yeah, they built some reallynice roads Well, not even nice,
just they lasted a long time andthere was a lot of them.

Yeah, Funny story about the Roman bureaucracy.
This is something else.
I learned, freaking, readingencyclopedias and stuff, and
actually my real epiphanyhappened, uh, through wikipedia.
I saw a map on wikipedia.
You know, you've heard, you'veheard how, you know, the roman
empire conquered the world,right?
Well, that's actually not true.
The roman empire didn't reallyconquer anything.

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The roman republic conqueredthe world.
And I realized this when I saw amap of the expansion of rome.
And it, it know, it starts outas a little city state in the
middle of Italy, and then itjumps and expands and it's
controlling the whole middlesection of Italy, and then it's
controlling the whole Southernboot of Italy and then it takes
over Sicily, then it takes overthe Northern half and it, you

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know, it's continuouslyexpanding until all of a sudden
it controls all of theMediterranean world, the whole
thing, and all of theMediterranean world, the whole
thing, and then huge parts ofCentral Europe too, and all of
North Africa, and just gobblingup everything around it, and
then it changes into the RomanEmpire and stops.
There's literally almost noexpansion.

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There's like two littleprovinces.
In the 400 years of the RomanEmpire they added two provinces
and they're very tiny provinces.

All the other expansion was under the roman
republic.
Yes, what's and it?
Why do you draw thatdistinction?

so this is an important distinction, because
when the roman empire splitapart into two, the eastern and
western halves, this divisionwas done specifically because it
was so big and so complex thatone emperor couldn't rule at all
and couldn't manage it all.
But then overlay that over thatmap I just mentioned.
The Roman Empire didn't expand,it didn't get any bigger.

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So how could it possibly havebeen too difficult for one man
to manage it when one man hadbeen managing it for 300 years
at that point?
So what changed?
The roman state itself changed.
It got much, much bigger andover time, continually and
progressively ate a largerportion of the, the output of

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roman society do you know?

I?
I mean, I maybe this falls backinto the how many times do you
think about?

roman empire.

Roman empire every day I, I do think about it
probably every other day or so,but one thing that stands out to
me is that they're how theircurrency devalued.
Yes, at the exact same time, ifyou look at from kind of the
first sets of roma coins toreally be issued after rome
became what you might call asuperpower yeah and then to the

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end of its lifetime, the amountof precious metal compared to
the amount of scrap metalincluded in the coins
continuously is devalued yep,I've wondered in that context is
what would have happened ifrome hadn't devalued its
currency.
like I'm not exactly sure howRome fell, I mean it was, it was
.
It's a large event in historythat I'm sure has, you know, a
variety of factors.
Yeah, but what one of thefactors, arguably, was the

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devaluation of their currency.

Yeah, another factor played a part, yeah.

Another factor might be the bureaucracy and the
weight of that bureaucracy thatwas created.
Uh, the split between theEastern and the, the.
Was it the Eastern and Westernright?

Eastern Western.

Eastern Western empires.
Yeah, um might've played intoit, but all, all of those things
, except for currency, depend onleadership and men.
Yes, uh well, the currency doestoo it's.
it's the corruption of the menthat's causing that devaluation
of the currency, yeah, but thatthat's kind of my point, is that

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the currency in it of itselfdoesn't do anything.
The men change the currency, orthe leadership changes the
currency, yeah, but but why dothey change the currency?
And the answer is simply, in myopinion, because they need more
of it.
They, they need it.
They need it to be cheaper andeasier to produce.
So if you wonder what happensif they were using a currency

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that couldn't have been cheaperand easier to produce.
That, in fact, got harder.
What would have happened toRome over the next, say, 1,000
years if their currency hadremained limited, if there was
100 million gold coins thatserved as the roman currency?
Yeah, and for the sake ofargument, say those gold coins
couldn't be divided orcounterfeited yeah then what

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would have happened?
Right like, if you compare itto bitcoin, you end up in a
scenario where it's like themoney's getting more valuable,
the population is getting richer.
What happens?
We don't know, because itdidn't yeah, there was nothing
like that.

We've never seen that, at least as far as we know
.

Yeah but do you think that in today's modern
society that we're comparable torome in the united states, like
we're following a similarcourse?
There's definitely a lot ofparallels.
Yeah, do you think thatcurrency is one of those
parallels?
Yes yes, what other parallelsdo you think exists between us
and rome?

um a lack of willingness to stand up for your
state why do you need to standup for your state?
Because there are alwaysbarbarians out in the wilderness
are we waiting for theopportunity to sack your city.
In the days of r, that wasliteral.
There were literal barbariantribes living outside the Roman
empire and these were basicallyjust wild people who were, were

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not civilized.
I mean that in the traditionalsense.
They had no, they had nopermanent cities.
They did not have their ownwritten languages.
They often had oral traditionsand such, but they didn't have,
they didn't have a writtenlanguage.

So when you also call them, using it the language
.

So when you also call them, using it the literal
sense, couldn't you also callthem just free peoples?
Yeah, you could.
So rome conquered free peoples,at least in some cases.
In some cases, yeah, there was.
There was a number ofcivilizations that they
conquered and destroyed.
Yeah, carthage being the mostobvious.

I I wonder the same about the united states.
Yeah, are we?
Are we like?
I understand that within our,our, our borders and our
structure, our legal system,that we have a certain level of
freedom that in other places,under certain circumstances,
doesn't exist?
And vice versa is true.
I can only go 70 miles an houron the interstate, generally
speaking, in Germany, on theAutobahn you can go as fast as

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you want.
So there are freedoms that wedon't have, right?
Yes, All speed limits should beabolished, by the way, but all
speed limits should be abolished, by the way, but the the, the
idea that that we aren't theother barbarians, is what
bothers me well what?

what I mean by that is there's a there's a
specific problem with it,because anything taken to its
extreme is poisonous.
Freedom is the same way.
If you take freedom to itslogical conclusion, you have
anarchy, and the result of thatis these barbarian tribes get to
do whatever the hell they want,and typically what they want is
to plunder, rape and murder,and that's exactly what they did

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when they marched in the romanempire.

They, they basically tore it all down and
burned it.
Let's say that you're a romansoldier, are you not?
Are you not plundering, rapingand murdering, in that you're in
the same time period wherepretty much everybody who got
conquered, depending on not Imean unrelated to who conquered
you, for the most part you weregoing to be raped, plundered and
murdered, not true?
Who didn't rape, plunder andmurder, at least in mass?

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Well, no, no.

It depended on how the conquering went and what
level of resistance you put up.
Did you fight, did you, wasthere a big war, or were you
just absorbed into the empire?
For example, egypt?
Egypt was basically justabsorbed into the empire.
It was never never conqueredper se.
There were several wars foughtthere, but just because of the

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nature of those wars, egyptitself was never really
plundered and conquered in thatway well, let's come back to you
.

Yeah, you're sure of a lot of things.
Yeah, can you give us a list ofa few things?
You are undoubtedly go to yourgrave?
No evidence can change you.
Yeah, things that are true,things that you believe christ
is king okay, we got that one.

Um, an armed population is a safer population
, okay, and I don't mean that inthe sense of individually,
they're safer from any bad thinghappening to an individual
person.
I mean, if the population ingeneral is armed, there's a
lesser chance there's still achance, but a lesser chance of

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invasion of government tyranny,of a specific individual person
being attacked.
There's a very high likelihoodthat you are armed.
Criminals and human predatorsare much less likely to try and
attack you if you're very likelyto be armed so christ is king?
yep, guns are good, yes uh, allincome and property taxes are

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theft the last guest that I hadon was the alamance county.

He's a he's a candidate for the alamance
county board of commissionersuh-huh very nice guy yeah I I
really enjoy talking with him,both on the podcast and a little
bit before and after he's.
He's generally pro freedom.

His name's?

uh, what was the?
Ed?
Huh, Ed Priola, ed Priola, Icouldn't remember his last name.
Um, he would disagree with youbecause the first statement he
made was he was talking abouthow schools are becoming
socialist.

Yes.

And I said what kind of socialist are you
talking about?
Socialists?
Like you need to pay for roads,have a fire department and
military, or like everythingneeds to be paid for by the
government and taxed?
And he was like, well, I thinkany reasonable person would say
that kind of building roads andmaintaining a military and
certain level of taxation isokay, but I.

I would disagree with that.
I would say that a certainlevel of taxation is necessary.
I would still classify it asevil.
It is a necessary evil and, assuch, should always be
restricted to the greatestextent possible.
So tax as opposed to expandingit to the greatest extent
possible, which is exactly whatwe're doing now.

Christ is King.
Yeah, taxes are bad.
Yes, or our guns are good.
Taxes are bad.
Yes, our guns are good.
Taxes are bad.
Yes.
That's three.
Do you have any others that youcan't be wavered?

um.
Nuclear power is dramaticallyunderutilized and could solve a
whole lot of the problems thatwe have okay abortion, um yeah,
bad any, any exception well it's, it's always bad.
In the case of the mother'slife is in danger, then she has

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the right to make the call.
That's very terrible, that's.
That's not just bad, that'svery terrible.
I would never wish that onanyone.
But if she finds herself inthat situation, she has the
right to make the call.

Anything other than that is you're, you're, you're
killing a human now we can godown a long road with every
single one of those topics, yes,but what I wanted to just lay
out was what your fundamentalbeliefs are, the things that you
really can't be wavered onright like it's going to be
pretty hard to waver me on uh,it would come back to a previous

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joke.
Waver me on gravity.
I don't necessarily know how itworks, but I know that shit's
real right, that's not what youwere arguing that night that was
151 arguing that

night yeah, oh, here's another one um.

The us constitution is the greatest political
document ever written would younot compare or maybe say that
the Magna Carta was slightlybetter, since it was first?

No, in the same way that I would not say that a
Model T is better than a modernToyota Camry.

But you wouldn't have a Camry without a Model T
Correct, you wouldn't have JamesBond.
It's a precursor.
It's not better.

It has been expanded and improved upon.
The Magnana carta specificallyguaranteed the rights of the
noblemen against the king.
The us constitution expandedthat concept to include all
people.
Well, or specifically allcitizens.
I shouldn't say it was thefirst, because it wasn't.

I at least, I know of one more, one other kind of
explanation of rights, and thatwas uh, I'm gonna fuck this up
it was the as persian uh one ofthe early, early pre-biblical or
maybe biblical, persian kings.
Yeah, he had a basically a billof rights written on in, not
even on papyrus, it was writtenon clay tablets in uh, I can't

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remember the name of thelanguage um, I think I know what
you're talking about.
Uh, that is cyrus, cyrus, cyrus.

Thomas Doyle (01:00:02):
The great, I think I know who you're talking about
.
That's a similar thing, butit's it's similarly limited and
and actually, if you look up,like the Roman constitution that
the Roman Republic operatedunder, that's also similar to
that, but that also restrictsthe right it's rights for the
citizens.

Trey Carson (01:00:17):
But the original constitution didn't also
restricted some people right,because it didn't include
everybody didn't have the samerights at the beginning of the
Constitution.
Yes, they did Black people hadthe same rights at the beginning
of the Constitution.
Funny story.

The Constitution itself doesn't distinguish black
people from white people.
Race is not mentioned, not onesingle time in the Constitution.

Sex is when All men are created equal.

And that is universally agreed to have.

referenced mankind is universally agreed to have
referenced mankind, but does itreference women specifically?
Because it references menspecifically.

That's the thing.
It doesn't distinguish betweenmen and women.
It's saying man in the sense ofmankind.

Like one giant step for man, one giant leap for
mankind.
Yes, that's what he's talkingabout.
No, I get the point.
What I'm saying is like-.

Those distinctions were all added later.
For example, the wholedistinction people make about
slavery and that slavery wasallowed on the Constitution.
That's not true.
That's blatantly false.
There's nothing in theConstitution that would permit
or allow slavery, and the basiclists of rights and such in
there would explicitly prohibitslavery.

Allowing slavery was a very obvious deal with the
devil.

It was a compromise.
It was always contradictory tothe devil.
It was a compromise.
It was always contradictory tothe Constitution and the
Declaration of Independence.
Everyone knew that.
It was a Faustian bargain thatthey made to try and beat the
British.
A Faustian.
This was Abraham Lincoln'spoint.
If you ever read the I think itwas Lincoln-Douglas debates,
where he's debating the guy thatwas running against him for

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president, which was rightbefore the Civil War.
He's debating the guy that wasrunning against him for
president, which is right beforethe Civil War.
Abraham Lincoln's entire pointis this institution is
completely incompatible withthis document this document
being the Constitution thatthere's no possible way you can
justify this institution underthis document.

You cannot reconcile those two.

That was his entire point and nobody could
argue that.
At the time the actual slaveowners could not argue that
point and they didn't try.
The minute he got elected theystarted shooting.

So let's summarize, unless you got another one.
So we've got Christ is king.
We've got guns are good, taxesare bad.
The Constitution, theConstitution is good.

Yeah, taxes are bad.
Yeah the constitution, yeahConstitution is good.

I'm missing one.
I feel like I'm missing one.
Maybe that's it, but does thatso?
Does that kind of summarizeyour foundation?

For the most part.
Yeah, I'm sure there's there'sother things that we could we
could go over, but that's what Ican think to do the same thing.

Bitcoin, that's the only thing I'm sure of, because
it's math.

It's physics.

I don't have to necessarily know how every piece
of the math works or understandhow physics works at an atomic
level.

Yeah, but as yet the people who do understand
those things can't break it.

Yes, and even Elon came out recently Well, I don't
know how recent it was, say thepast year and they were asking
him about AI and he was likeeven AI can't fundamentally
break the laws of physics Unlessit discovers a new realm of
physics that we don't understand, that circumvents our current
understanding.
The laws of mathematics, thelaws of physics, will maintain

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Now it might become extremelygood at math at a level we've
never seen before.
It'd be.
Now it might become extremelygood at math to level we've
never seen before, yeah, and bemuch faster than current
computers.
But once it can do it and weunderstand how it does it, yeah,
presumably we will have someinsight into that yeah we can
mimic that because it's justmath.
All we have to do is know howyou put it together, how you
answer the question or you solvethe equation.
Yeah, so bitcoin's the onlything that I'm 100 sold on?

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Yeah, like I don't know.
I'm not going to compare it toyour religious belief, but for
me it almost is.
It is, it is the bedrock inwhich I'm building every bit of
who I am.
Yeah, and my business and mylife, my philosophies, have
almost all changed because ofbitcoin.
Yep, running into bitcoin wasalmost like running into you at
19, like all of a sudden I wasconfronted by this like

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unmovable object that I couldn'tlogic my way out of.
That seemed to be ahead of me.
Yeah, um, now, obviously we'reflawed humans, but bitcoin isn't
, I mean.
Sure, it might be flawed incertain ways I mean there's
probably plenty of ways to arguethat but fundamentally, it is
to me the answer to many, manyquestions yeah, what have you

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not figured out?
What is unanswered for you?
What is the things that youstruggle to?

reconcile?
In what respect?
What do you mean?

Any context, same as kind of the previous question
.
We've established who you are.
Now I to establish who you'relike, who, not necessarily who
you're becoming, but where, howyou're progressing, where you're
questioning things, what, whatisn't as, what isn't as clear to
you as, say, your belief systemand and or your beliefs in your
, your religion or in your, Isuppose I suppose, to an extent,

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bitcoin would fall into thatcategory.

I'm you know I'm very about it.
I do think it has tremendouspotential.
I'm clearly not as convincedabout it as you are.
I would like to see it succeedbecause it offers a potential
alternative to the FederalReserve System, which there's
another one that I'm verycertain about.
The Federal Reserve System isextremely evil.

I would argue that the Federal Reserve System is
responsible for more deaths thanalmost anything else in history
.
Include hitler, or to includeworld war ii in general, not
just hitler I would disagreewith that think about this.
Why?
Why is it that most of, or alot of, the foods that we eat as
americans are actually like alot of the ingredients are
outlawed almost everywhere else?

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Yeah, because it's the mostprofitable yes there's no other
motivation for it unless everyperson who owns every major
company is a psychopath and justwants to kill everybody.

Don't misunderstand me.
I'm not arguing that theFederal Reserve is not evil.
I'm just arguing death tolls.
On the level of threats, Iwould argue the Federal Reserve
is maybe two or three.

They're not an in-your-face threat.
Most of the time you don't evenknow they killed you.
Yeah, I, but they're they're.
They're not a in your facethreat there.

They don't.
Most of the time, you don'teven know they killed you.

Yeah, yeah, right, the idea with that.

But but there there haven't been enough deaths
that could be laid at theirfeet to compare with something
like socialism the the.
American look like and I wouldalso argue a lot of the evil the
federal reserve does is beingperpetrated through socialist
systems.

Most definitely.
But if you look at the, if youlook at the, the degradation of
the American society from 1971until now, everything has gotten
worse and everything's going tocontinue to get worse because
the dollar is going to continueto be devalued.
Yes, as that progresses, everyperson that dies that ate shit
tons of fast food to drink ass,loads of soda.

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Yeah, that was all done under afederal reserve system yeah
there's nobody really.
I mean, there's plenty of peopleleft alive that were alive
prior to 1971.
Yes, but if you, if you look at1971, until presumably the
federal reserve ends at somepoint, that window between there
, effectively every american hasbeen touched by it yes with

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their health care system yestheir, their, their working
lives, the, the amount of stress.
Everything it's all at the feetof the federal reserve, because
if you continuously trace it,you get back to money.
You trace the money you just goright back to the federal
reserve.
Yes, who's pulling thesetriggers?

yeah, yeah, the federal reserve behind almost
all of it, but yeah, but I wouldstill debate the level of evil,
mostly because all of thosepeople are not killed by it.
A great many of them areinjured by it, but a relatively
small percentage of them areoutright killed by it.

It'd be like like hitler, the, the nazis killed
you in your face, right they,they scooped you up, they put
you on a train, they, they tookyou to a camp and they walked
you into a place that was goingto gas you to death or they shot
you.

Yes.

It was quick.

You understood yes .

At least to some degree, you understood that
these people are not my fuckingfriends.

Yes.

The federal reserve is is not marching you to a gas
chamber.

Yeah.

It's just accelerating the slate, like the
amount of time you must slaveto them.

Yes, yes, and that's part of why, I would
argue, the degrees of evil.
The Federal Reserve wants tomake slaves of everybody.
They're not actually out toexterminate everyone.

Yeah, they can't exterminate them necessarily.

Yeah, the Federal Reserve doesn't want everyone
dead, and that is thedistinction there.
The greater evil is the onethat wants everyone dead.

So I land on Bitcoin.
Yeah, right, we could talkabout that.
Greater evil is the one thatwants everyone dead, so I land
on Bitcoin.
Right, we could talk about thatall day.

Yes, yeah, we don't have too much more time.
I have to head out here prettysoon.
Yeah, so we can talk about allday.

But so you're pro Bitcoin, you're pro gun.

Yes.

You're pro Catholic .
What are you anti?

I know that you're anti government such like but
let's get, let's get a littlemore nuanced.
Uh, anti-communist um, I'manti-feminist uh anti-democrat?

are you anti-republican?

uh, not specifically.
No, there are a lot of corruptrepublicans, but the party
itself doesn't have a completelyevil platform.
Now you can argue that thatplatform may be just a complete
smokescreen, but the party'sofficial position is not
explicitly overtly evil, asopposed to the Democratic Party,

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which is absolutely 100%,explicitly overtly evil.

Do you think the average Democrat is evil?

Probably not, but a lot of them are insane.
We were discussing this earlier.
The the people that would yeah,the people that would get that
question question wrong are veryfrequently Democrats.

Can we get a?
Can we get a?

recap of that question.
Um, so yeah, the the the bearquestion is you ask an
individual, um, if you were outin the woods and you're maybe
lost or something, you're lostin the woods, you're not 100%
sure where you are or how to getout, and you have two options
for two random encounters.
One of them you randomlyencounter an adult, male, human,

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so a man, randomly selected man.
You know nothing about thisperson, you've never seen them
before.
You don't know their race,their ethnicity, their
background, their culture.
You know nothing about them,nothing at all.
But this is a person from theUnited States.
You're in the United States.
Second encounter a bear, anadult bear.

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Which one do you pick?
An adult bear, which one do youpick?
And there is a depressingly highnumber of people who nowadays
will pick the bear.
They do this, they say, becausemen make them feel
uncomfortable, they're scared ofmen.
They've had bad experienceswith men.

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Some of them have been attackedand victimized by men.
They've had bad experienceswith men.
Some of them have been attackedand victimized by men.
And they say that the peopleasking this question just don't
understand their feelings andthey don't understand that
they're trying to make astatement with this answer about
how unsafe they feel around menand how bad men are behaving
nowadays.
And the problem that thesepeople have that they don't

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understand is the people askingthe question are fully aware of
that.
We understand completely whyyou're making the choice you're
making, and the people who areanswering bear don't understand
that.
The people asking the questionare making the point that you
don't understand the situation.
You're making a decision basedon how you feel about the

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situation, but the situation hasan imminent threat, a genuine
danger to your life, and in anysurvival situation there is a
right and wrong answer.
The wrong answer is the onewhere you're more likely to die.
The right answer is the onewhere you're more likely to die.
The right answer is the onewhere you're more likely to live

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, and anytime when you have thatthose two options, the answer
should be so clear as to beutterly unmistakable as to which
is right and which is wrong.
You should instantly know, justat a glance, exactly which way
to go in order to live and notdie.
And the problem is there's ahuge number of people in America

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today who don't know that, theydon't understand that, they
don't even notice it orrecognize it, and they'll say
things like oh well, I wouldn'tmind being killed by a bear.
And obviously a person who sayssomething like that has no
concept or comprehension of whatthat statement means.
You have no concept of death orpain if you think you'd be okay

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being eaten by a bear.
And that's why men nowadaysbecause it's most often women
who say that about the bear,that's why men are saying things
nowadays like women are crazy.
Because women will say thingslike that, like they would
rather be stuck in the woodswith a wild bear than a random
man.

Why?
Like what, what?
What is the point of thisquestion?
Like what are you hoping to?
I understand that.
I understand that there's alevel of A entertainment and B
exposing a level of ignoranceper se.
Yes, so a person answers thisquestion.
They get the answer incorrect.

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Where do you go from there inthat conversation with a person?

So it is demonstrating that no rational
conversation is possible withthat person.
It's demonstrating it in realtime.
This person cannot comprehendof a deadly threat right there
in front of them.
Their feelings of discomfort ofbeing alone with a random man

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is greater than their desire tolive.

Is that something that you think that they did,
like they came to thisconclusion on their own, or is
there something pushing them inthis direction?

I think there's a great deal pushing them in this
direction.
There's a whole lot ofpropaganda nowadays.
I mentioned a minute ago thatI'm anti-feminist.
Most feminists if you actuallyread feminist literature, are
extremely misandrist.
Misandrist is the hatred orcontempt of men.
They're very vehemently, openlyhateful of men.
They consider all men to be athreat.

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They consider all men to bepredators, which is absolutely
insane.
If you actually look at thestats, it's approximately 2% of
people and it's all people, menand women.
Both are true psychopaths,genuine human well, you don't.

You don't even have to look that far, you can just
walk into a grocery store yes,and be like okay, I see a couple
, yeah, they, yeah, they'reperfectly fine, they seem normal
.
Okay, you can look at athousand couples and 998 of them
are going to be.
I mean, they might have maritalproblems or what have you might
argue, but yeah they're theneither one of them are actively

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trying to hurt, yeah, or killor injure yes, yeah, and this is
.

This is part of the part of the problem here is
most people encounter random mentens of thousands of times in
any given month and you don'teven notice it because nothing
happens.
You don't encounter bears veryfrequently because they have a
tendency to see humans as foodand every bear that's ever

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killed and eaten a human humanmen most mostly will go out,
hunt that bear down and kill it.
We've killed all the man eatingbears, so there ain't that many
of them around anymore.
That's.
That's why you're not likely toencounter a man-eating bear,
because we've killed them alland we used to do that for
humans too.
But I mentioned a little whileago I'm anti-democrat.

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If you look up moderndemocratic policies for any
major city in the country, itdoesn't matter which one pick
one and just start looking upthe local court cases and look
up the rap sheets of the peoplewho are being charged with
various crimes.
Pick a crime it doesn't matterwhich one you pick.
You can pick felonious assault,you can pick rape, you can pick

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murder and just look up the rapsheets of the people who are
being charged with these crimes.
You'll find they've all beencharged before, all of them and
most of them were were just letout by democrats, and this is a
constant thing that's happeningeverywhere in the country, and
this is this is a consciouschoice that people have made to

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be soft on crime, includingviolent crimes, which, surprise,
surprise if you let violentcriminals out into the streets,
you get more crime.
Who knew?
But yeah, it's a very obviousthing where people are making a
bad decision.
You could argue with goodintentions, but the decision is

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bad.
Bad from a sense of if you doone thing, more people get hurt.
You do the other thing, lesspeople get hurt.
One thing more people get hurt.
You do the other thing, lesspeople get hurt.
They are choosing more peopleget hurt because that choice
feels good in the moment, in thesame way of the bear.
You're choosing the wrong thingbecause that feels okay as

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opposed to what is the actualthreat here, and nobody is
looking at the situation andassessing the threat and, as a
result, you, you run into thethreat more.
You're more likely to become avictim that way.

I feel like when I met you, yeah, that I I was very
ignorant of the world.
You influenced my beliefsheavily.
I remember, early in my likeprobably midway through my high
school period, yeah, my stepdad,uh, gentleman named bill, uh,

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it was around um, I think it wasgeorge bush's first election, I
believe and he said no, no, no,I got my timing wrong because I
had to be 18.
Cause it was about me voting,or I was going to be 18 when the
vote occurred and he said hesaid, are you voting?
And I said I don't even knowwho to vote for.
I couldn't tell you if I'm aRepublican or Democrat, I have

(01:17:56):
no idea.
And he said do you like guns?
And I said yes.
And he said do you want peopleall up in your shit?
I said no.
He said then you're arepublican, vote republican,
yeah.
But when I met you, yeah, waswhen I really started to develop
some type of political sense,and it wasn't that you were
telling me things that I didn'tmaybe kind of know yeah you know
just as a common sense thing.

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Yeah, but you were.
You were putting it into newquestions and new scenarios that
I'd never considered, thatreally drill down to a lot more
of the core.
Have you ever felt like you'vemet somebody on the opposite
side of the aisle on theDemocrat side of the aisle, that
that introduced arguments thatreally changed or pushed you
around at all, or that that youdidn't know how to work with

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Cause?
What I'd like to find out isthe way I met you.
I was never going to shake yourarguments.
We did argue, but I neverreally had any good footing on
the religious and political side.

You did make me see reason on the one point Weed
.

Yeah, weed yeah.

Which is the government should get out of it.
Yeah, it's a plant.
Government should butt out.
Yeah.

But what I'd like to see is that there is, if you
feel like maybe either you'veran into somebody like this
before and we can reach out tothem, or if if we could find
somebody that has got a similarbackground to you, but the
opposite, then maybe they wereraised Democrat in a family of
Democrats and they have certainideals, but they're well-versed.

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They're well-versed on history,they're well-versed on this.
Have you run into somebody likethat?

So this may sound a little bit arrogant, but no.
And when I when I encounterDemocrats, especially diehard
Democrats, what I find mostoften is that they engage in
double think routinely, doublethink being the ability to hold
two contradictory thoughts inyour head at the same time and
simultaneously believe both ofthem.

Well, what we should do I've learned a lot
from you yeah but I've learned alot from other people and I've
learned a lot from arguing withother people and listening to
you argue with other peoplehonestly, because I've heard you
argue with a lot of people.

Yeah, we should find somebody you missed one of
the best arguments I ever had.
I met a met a holocaust denierand that was absolutely
fascinating to to see hiscontradictions and his double
think.
And and now to his credit, I Ipointed out a very obvious fact
to him and it just kind of shuthis whole argument down and it
just blew his mind and it wasthat was.

That was funny to watch we need to find somebody
who can argue with you, notargue.
That's not what I'm hoping tohave.
I'm hoping to have, like a, anintellectual debate where not
I'm not trying to budge eitherside, I'm trying to understand
both sides yeah because I I'vegotten tons of information from
you over the past decade, yeah,but really I can only think of

(01:20:42):
one person, austin's brother,joe who's really even tried to
stand with you over periods oftime, while maintaining his own
beliefs and really not backingdown, like Joe doesn't really
seem like he ever goes.
Oh okay, you got me, that's it.
You guys tend to go back andforth, so it'd be interesting to
find somebody like Joe, or Joehimself, to come on the podcast

(01:21:02):
with you and we could have likekind of an initial I mean his
brother, or mike's brother,austin, austin's brother what
did I debate with him?
oh, it's mike bar's brother,sorry, yeah, I'm thinking, I'm
thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'mthinking, yeah, yeah, my bar's
brother, yeah, my bar's brother,yeah, I was like I wait, I
didn't debate with his brotherabout it no, no, yeah, his
brother we actually saw prettypretty eye to eye.
Yeah, his brother's a big magicgathering.
Yeah, yeah, pimp Kane.

Yeah, very well.
Yeah, it would be interestingto get him down here and we
could debate about something.

I'd also like to get you on some of the
Bitcoin-related podcasts,because I think that people that
can explain it better than meand we're going to come across
them people that understand moreabout it, not even at the
Bitcoin level, but understandmore about the financial system,
and being able to explain someof these more advanced concepts
that I'm only vaguely aware of,would be a very interesting

(01:21:51):
conversation.
So we should find, if you'relistening and you're in our area
Central North Carolina and youwant to come on and have a
discussion with Doyle, I promiseyou we'll give you a reasonable
amount of alcohol and and asafe environment to have a
discussion and we can shakehands at the end.
Right, we might argue and raisehell, but at the end of the day
, neither one of us are um, wedon't wish ill upon anyone yeah,

(01:22:15):
and I will say a lot of thedebates have ended very amicably
, like the debates I've had withjoe yeah again, they've ended
very amicably.

And then, um, red's dad or stepdad I believe
it's his stepdad, not his actualdad.
Uh, do you know the little kidred that we had working for us?
yeah, he was working at yourshop yeah, yeah, uh, his stepdad
is a teacher at I don'tremember.
I don't remember where he heteaches that.
He's some kind of an educatorand such and he's fairly liberal

(01:22:46):
, kind of a left-leaning guy,but he's not like a hardcore
Democrat or communist oranything like that.
And we were talking about gunsand about government policy and
things like that and we had abig long debate for like an hour
or two and yeah, I think it wasalmost two hours actually.
We debated him but yeah, heseemed perfectly reasonable and

(01:23:07):
I like to think we kind ofchanged his mind a little bit on
the guns, on why trusting thegovernment to have all the guns
is a bad idea.

Well, I think we'll probably have to wrap up here,
but I'm glad that the communitythat we're starting to establish
is able to meet you Becauseagain I've said it a bunch of
times like you've been avaluable portion of my life and
I think everyone should have aDoyle in their lives, somebody
who, no matter what you know,you can rely on them.

(01:23:36):
You know that they are going tohelp you if you need help, and
they're going to tell you thetruth.
Everybody needs somebody likethat.
That said, you've been on thepodcast.
You speak favorably aboutBitcoin.
We need to cover that more indepth later, but if you're
willing to, we'd like to get youto sign our Bitcoin artwork and

(01:23:58):
like we kind of talked aboutearlier.
The idea behind this is thatwe've got a canvas that every
guest signs.
You can sign as big as small,whatever color.
You can draw a picture, you canmake a, you can draw an
advertisement, whatever you want, and at the end of our first 21
episodes we're going to takethis and try to auction it off.
If anybody buys it in Bitcoin,those funds will go to the

(01:24:20):
Bitcoin core developers.
If nobody buys it, then I willdonate to the Bitcoin core
developers and hang it on mywall.
But either way, if this podcastis to continue and have any
impact on our community or onBitcoin or on us, this will be
the first.
This will be where it started.
This is the original folk andto me I think that's pretty cool

(01:24:41):
.
It's kind of part of like aBitcoin history and our and and
our podcast history so very well, you want to sign it sure all
right.
Thanks dill, thanks everybodyyeah, uh.

One last thing I will say uh, we need to repeal
the nfa and ave christus rexbefore you go.

Yes, take a minute.
Tell people where they can findyou if they want to debate you,
if they want to tell you you'rean idiot, or where they can buy
your products and kind of thecontact information.

Um so, uh, probably the best way to get
hold of me is going to be to gothrough the gun shop.
That's racket back armory.
Uh, we're located at two, ohtwo East Washington street in
Mebane, north Carolina.
Now, I'm not in the shop everyday, but if anybody wants to get
hold of me, the people in theshop, uh sharon and half acres,
the main guy in there, uhthey'll, they'll be able to get
hold of me what about or?

(01:25:27):
you can go through.
Uh, trey carson, he knows howto get hold of me too what about
twitter?
um, I do have a twitter page.
I don't really use it to use itfor much beyond just liking
memes and stuff like that.
Uh, I don't do a whole lot ofsocial media debating these days
just because it's it's such apain to have to post a single,
single reply and then wait forthe person to see it, wait for
them to reply, and then by thetime they get back to you it may

(01:25:49):
be two hours later and by thattime I've already moved on to
doing something else.

And your gun store.

Yeah.

What do you guys sell and what's your website?

So we do primarily gunsmithing.
We have a little bit of stufffor sale, but not a whole lot.
We also do screen printing andembroidery.
So if you need T-shirts oranything like that done up, we
can do that right there in theshop for you.
Cerakote we do Cerakote forguns.
We can do slide cuts on pistols, we can do scope mounting, we
can do bluing, we can dotraditional stock work.

(01:26:19):
We can do almost anything youlike in there.
There's one or two things thatwe're still getting equipment in
to do, but yeah, we can doalmost anything.

And what's the website that people will go to
if they want to check out yourstuff?

If you Google Racketback Armory, I believe the
very first thing that comes upis our website.
I think it'sracketbackarmorycom.

Yes, or something like some shortened version of
that, possibly but somethinglike that.
Yep Cool.
Well, uh, let's get this thingsigned and thanks for coming.

Yep, no problem, appreciate everybody.
Yep, y'all have a good night.

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