79. The Second Renaissance

Mike Hobart and Shane Hazel sit down for the first time in months to catch up and discuss Mike's new book "The Second Renaissance" and current events

Episode Transcript

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I don't necessarily want to say it's a positive, but it is kind of like a, it's, it's interesting how it's like a, um, a protective symptom of the underground, like criminal environment, because they're, they're effectively businesses just like everybody else.

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right? They're just businesses for illegal activity. And so they want a level of calm
and normalcy like everybody else. It's like any other market, right? Markets like predictability.
If you can stabilize a market, you know, you know what your inputs are, what your outputs are
over time, the longer, yeah, you're going to be more successful, right? Like that's just the way

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is they want some sort of um some sort of like regular heartbeat as like hey this is our market
this is the ebbs and flows we know what it does and when when you start screwing around with that
um yeah you you mess up with you mess with their business you mess with their their families their
lives and all those other things and you know the thing is is like not all not all gangs are bad

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right like you know somebody some people could call bitcoin veterans a gang i mean we're we're
bunch of you know dangerous individuals who are armed to the teeth that want to you know take over
the world and leave everybody alone but at the same time it's you know it's one of those things
where you know some of these some of these gangs out there are probably fairly similar um you know

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there's legal status in terms of you know where they are in terms of citizens and all that fun
stuff but you know i'm i'll tell you right now for for the life of me like i'm with you i think this
I think those kinds of things are more of a positive than they are a
negative where,
and for everybody that's just tuning in,
we're talking about some of the riots that are going on out in California

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where a few of the gangs have been like, look, you know, this is our hood.
And if you come out here and you do anything, we're going to,
we're going to absolutely, we're going to end your, your process.
You're not going to have a good time.
And we're going to,
we're going to turn it into a public display so that more people understand that if they uh

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challenge us they're also not going to have a good time it's like it it's also it's reminiscent of um
how long ago was it it wasn't it wasn't it was pretty recent where um was it isis or al-qaeda
or somebody had threatened that they were going to bring the fight to you the u.s land u.s shores
and the uh the mafia in new york was like you can't you can try if you bring it here like we're

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gonna be standing shoulder to shoulder with the military and the law enforcement like you're not
we're not having it yeah the uh the the the american network effect at some point starts
to kick in right and people in communities uh boroughs you know whatever townships they start
going, yeah, like if this, if this leaks out of this particular, you know, corporate zone or

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whatever it is like, okay. Um, you know, one of the things that I will give some of the protesters
some credit for is there are, and I say some of them, like the original day, right. Is they were
actually going after the government, right? Like this wasn't, this wasn't your normal, you know,

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go after apple and go after you know since then there are there are looters that have kind of
kicked in like hey there's there's protests and there's car bqs going on and everything else we
might as well go down and get some new iphones and ipads and whatever else we want and start
trashing stores but that kind of came later like the the first initial wave man like these guys i

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mean it's a very scary scene like for anybody that hasn't seen some of the stuff i've done
If you're on X, you've seen it.
I mean, guys were, I mean, cops were driving on the interstate and getting smashed by giant bricks and rocks in their cruisers.
I mean, did you see that whole scene unfolding like underneath a bridge?

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I didn't see that one.
I saw a brief what looked like a pretty nasty aftermath of it.
The main one I saw was the one guy that was repeatedly throwing rocks into windshields as they were driving right by him.
yeah and apparently they've they've at least said that they've caught that guy um which you know
didn't take them what 72 hours to to catch that guy i mean he had not even he had a motorcycle

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because i think that was like i think that was like sunday and it's tuesday so apparently apparently
not a great guy either he's uh he's been arrested something like 14 different times lots of weird
you know violence and drug charges and all that fun stuff but yeah i know shocker right like that
that guy's making all the right decisions.
Like even if you hate the,
the feds and all that,

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and a lot of us do,
right.
But there's a very,
there's a very fine line between hating the feds and going out in a
motorcade and starting to find every rock that you can pick up and throw
against their windshield.
It just,
it's insane.
Yeah.
Well,
I mean,
there's a difference between hating feds and doing what you can to maximize

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your privacy and your anonymity.
And then there's a completely different thing where you're going out of your way to paint a target on your back and act in a way of where it's just drawing attention to you and you're really not accomplishing anything.
So like dropping rocks on cruisers as they're going by and responding to events.

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It's like you're putting yourself in, not in front of a steamroller, but you're putting yourself in front of effectively like an M1A1 Abrams.
Like there's the steamroller goes like two miles an hour.
The Abrams can go 75 and it's got like weaponry attached to it.
Like, you know, pick your battles.

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Yeah, not a very good choice.
Not to mention, I mean, I'm not saying that there's never a time for revolution, right?
Like, and obviously here at Bitcoin Veterans, we understand that there's a different set of rules in terms of like,
there's an easier way to do this. Like there's, there's a financial way to do this.

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Morally justified way of doing this too. Right. Um, and what they, what they want you to do right
now is participate in the violence. Um, and that, that's the thing that gets me is like, they are,
they're literally like, they're just, you know, out there saber rattling, trying to get as many
people fomented to the point where they make dumb decisions, irrational decisions, uh, and just

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totally emotional decisions to come out and get involved in violence like to grow the violence to
grow divides to to start to harness that because that's what you have to have in order to turn this
into a revolution or a civil war which i think is is actually the goal yeah well they picked a
really stupid hill to die on too like who's uh who's they and what hill the the rioters like

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in the groups that are trying to foment this right now.
It's like, you guys, really,
the topic is removing the people from the country
that weren't supposed to be here in the first place?
That's the hill you want to die on.
It's not how banking is destroying America.
It's not how Congress's constant funding
of deficit spending is also destroying America.

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It's not like the military-industrial complex.
It's not all the fraud in the healthcare,
health insurance and all the insurance systems.
It's not because of that. It's because of trying to remove
the upwards of 20 million people that are undocumented that aren't supposed to be
here in the first place. Because the immigrants

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that came here legally, they're on the side
of law enforcement. They're like, yeah, they shouldn't be here because they're breaking the system that we
benefited from.
And they're like, and like one of my favorite videos was a Hispanic gentleman who it's circulated on Twitter aggressively. He's like, let me get this straight. You're not supposed to be here. You're here illegally. You don't want to leave.

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but you're hoisting the flag of the country you fled from that you don't want to go back to
and you're mad that the place that you don't want to leave is not more like the place that
you don't want to go back to so like like make this make sense like how is this not stupid
yeah you can't you can't make it make sense um the the the side of this that i i really you know

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I come down on more than anything is just all this tough talk banter from non-frontline players.
It's laughable. It's like, guys, you literally had the past 20 plus years. If you were really
a badass, you probably signed up maybe to the Marine Corps, the Army, some sort of special

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operations group within the military somewhere maybe you got involved in i don't know something
like hrt and the fbi or something something right like if if you were really that guy that you know
was was such a badass but there are literally so many people out there and i you know charlie kirk
being the one of the worst offenders in all this kind of stuff right where he's just fomenting this

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divide and conquer type of mentality like police state and he's just cheering it on you
those kind of guys shut the fuck up just shut the fuck up for as long as this is going on if you're
if you literally have no skin in that game then just back off and let the the the adults handle

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this because what I see across the board, especially from guys like Bitcoin veterans
and other veterans that are out there, especially the guys that have been downrange is like,
guys, you have no idea what you're trying to get yourself into. You have no idea the tough talk
and trash talk and all this other bullshit that you're spewing into the universe right now. It's

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like, this isn't helping things. You're not going to scare off or change minds or any of those
things. Like there are people who have their mindsets, um, good, bad, or indifferent. If
they're for the state, if they're against the state, if they're for legal immigration or for
illegal immigration, it doesn't matter. Like you're not changing anybody's minds at this point.
And so it's either, you're either going to show up and learn what warfare is about firsthand or

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you're not. And if you're not, then man, definitely don't, don't add to the flame.
There's nothing worse than bitches out there that will fan the flames of engagements that are not willing to fight them.
Yeah.
I think what you effectively described was that you have a limited, a confined space that the balances of power are not changing.

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And the people like the Charlie Kirks are just effectively, there's already gas vapor in the room.
It's just waiting for the right spark to kick off the chain reaction.
And the guys like Charlie Kirk and other conservative freaking influencers like Laura Loomer are just like what they're doing is just injecting more and more gas vapor into the confined space and making it a more and more dangerous environment.

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I guess it just cracks me up how they think that they're doing some sort of good.
well then they're then they're coming out and then they're coming out and like
laura loomer disgusts me oh yeah can we can we talk about that dude for a second
well the fact that she's calling for palantir to be deployed against domestic

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populations in the u.s like she has no idea what she's calling for she's also calling for
the um palestinian schma which they don't call the schma in palestine i don't know what they call
it um but basically you know the the checkered head wrap right is yeah is what she's she's she's

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literally calling for that to be illegal and i'm sorry with her mind around every day though
yeah least around the neck not on the head though but here's the thing is like all right laura
you know if that's if that's number one on the can't wear hat list what do you think number two
is going to be for most Americans. It's going to be tiny little hats called yarmulkes, right? Like

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at some point, you know, all right, you get rid of all the Palestinians, Laura, in your perfect world.
You know, the Americans are still sitting here and turning faster than ever on what the Israelis
are doing, right? So, you know, if in the chronological step of things, yeah, well,
oh you want to wear those little hats around like if you're going to do it to them expect the the

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next administration to do it to you yeah one like it just goes to show how how many of these
individuals are just i've said it before rabbit goldfish like they don't they don't understand
what it is they're chasing or like what the knock-on effects are of like even if they were to
grab whatever it is that they're chasing they don't know what they're going to do with it once
they get there so it's it's just like it's almost like peak low iq it sounds very oxymoronic but

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like we're it feels like we're we're i hope we're approaching a crescendo of stupidity but
i don't know i doubt it at the same time yeah um i've told people you know that are close to me is
get some extra food get some batteries um shore up on some supplies because this is not this is
going to be the summer of love um and i i hope to be wrong about that i don't think i'm gonna be i

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think we're we're just starting to see some of the um the machinations of extremely diabolical
diabolical and evil people come to fruition now and not you know all by design um you know when
when you're thinking about going down to any of these events and being part of any of this kind
of stuff like you know captain dipshit here that's waving a mexican flag on a burned out waymo um

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you know understand that palantir is just going mainstream now and i'm not sure you know exactly
why they want to show it or maybe they are showing it now it's just to say hey this is this is what
we can do this is what we've got and um but understand if you've got a um a smartphone or

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smart device in your possession, they're tracking everything you're doing. You're tracking everybody
you're interfacing with. If you're getting numbers, they know those numbers are being swapped. If you
are swapping text messages, they know that's happening. They can see who you're palling around
with. So if you look at a data map of where you are and where other people are in relation to you
and you're palling around with people like moving around, they can see how you're moving around and

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who you're moving around with, uh, down to almost the second. So if, if, if you think you're going
to just show up at one of these and not be known because you think you have a face mask on, man,
you're so wrong. You're maybe you missed January 6th. Like this is, this is the other side of the
coin is like anybody that's there, anybody that's pinging towers, man, you've got, you've got

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serialized gear on your body that is literally emitting and receiving transmissions. And that is
all those are recording the audio too of course they are yeah you know the the another another
funny uh funny personality with this whole thing is uh did you see that um a former uh was it was
she a full house actress she's been identified as partaking in this is that right what's up bitcoin

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beacon yeah i can't remember her name it was some little blonde thing but um even with like her hat
her bionic mask on and face mask on.
The camera person still identified who she was.
It's like, dude.
That tweet that you put up from Tony Saruga,

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if the audience didn't read it,
he stated that his firm had tracked over 300 devices
of people in these riots,
and they're coming from $10 million plus residences
in the SoCal area.
So it's like they're also starting to be able to identify where these people are being equipped from and organized from.

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So you're going to watch it.
It's going to trace right back to celebrities if they put that stuff public.
And I think they should put it public, but they won't because they're going to use it as probably political and blackmail information in order to get what they want out of them.
Yeah.
And that's the state of affairs, isn't it?
I mean, that's how whoever's in charge right now rules.

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is you look at this ridiculous decaying empire
that's imploding right now.
They rule through subversion.
They rule through blackmail.
And anybody that they can use leverage on,
whether it's avoiding a prison sentence
or whatever the case is,
they just say, hey, you can either do this for us
or you can go to prison.

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And the only way out of that
is keeping your nose extremely clean, right?
Is always being on record calling for peace,
not, not, you know, secret FBI informants or anything like that, where, you know, they're,
they're trying to give you, you know, drugs or, or bombs or any of that kind of stuff to go do
ill will to people like this, this whole system is built on a decaying blackmail system. And I think

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a lot of this actually spawns from some of, you know, what we know to be true, right? It's like,
Trump's been in office a little over 140 days now.
There's absolutely been zero arrest of the Epstein client list,
zero arrest of any major government officials,
zero arrest of any of the bureaucrats.

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When I think about the problems with America,
you could sit here in LA, Houston.
Where else did you say in California was starting to pop up?
Well, there's, there's, what was it? Santa Fe? I don't, or Santa Fe or Santa, Santa Ana.
There's Santa Ana. I don't know where that is in relation to Los Angeles. It's probably just

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another suburb, like province. But so like Seattle was part of it. Austin was part of it in Dallas.
Those are the ones that I know of. What's up, man? And the, like, I've, I mean, I mentioned it in our,
in our spaces this morning, but so for those that are in the audience, I've apologized. I'm going to
repeat it again, but it's important to understand that a lot of these protests have been scheduled

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and have been getting organized ahead of time. So I would expect more violence to spread tonight,
and then there will be more protests that are in bigger cities farther east in the country,
and then you'll probably watch them spring up in more activity and violence in the night

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as they follow the protests.
And it's guaranteed to come to a crescendo
either the night before or the night of the parade this Saturday.
Yeah, I don't think it's going to stop there, though.
What a dying empire needs is exactly what they're fomenting,

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and that's war, right?
They need war.
The American people have not been behind Ukraine.
They haven't been behind the Israeli genocide.
And that really now kind of is turning on to them.
And I know from our time in service and even after service, I held a top secret clearance for a long time.

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What they always talked about was peer-to-peer or near-peer.
And I always found that fascinating.
right is like we have literal contingencies for wars with china wars with russia and all things
right like that they've i'm not saying that they um figured it out it's an ever-evolving process
and you know the g7 usually runs that kind of thing so when the the evolution came in and they

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started talking about near peer or peer-to-peer that was always to me like this was always meant
for revolution inside the United States, right?
Like this is, that's what peer-to-peer and near-peer means.
It's all test bed.
Yeah, exactly.
They know it's coming.
They know that the spawn of this is because they're failing currency
is leaving more and more dejected, people more and more desperate.

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And at a certain point, you know, when other countries see the same thing
and they're done dealing with your bullshit,
they're done dealing with your wars,
they're done dealing with your NGOs,
you know, you know, that are really just masquerading around intelligence services,
like the entire world's just fatigued. They're, they're fatigued of this entire regime. And

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I get it. It's like, guys, I understand, but this is exactly where they want you. They want you to
be violent and they want you to, you know, come to these things. They, they need war right now
so that they can turn on the money printer and they can start paying themselves so that they can
continue to you know do what they've always done and that's established security right and that's

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that's basically slaughtering uh men women and children uh for the sake of i don't know the
empire i i don't know i don't know how else to say that is it's really kind of the the sad situation
that we're in the best thing you can do is not give into it not be part of it and totally you
Totally separate yourself and anybody you can from it.

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Yeah, there's also, I mean, that's already bad enough,
but I think people also need to consider that there are other potentialities
that fall downstream from that.
If the people were to play into this hand and things got out of hand
to the point of where, say, there was an uprising or a civil war

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or a bifurcation or Balkanism, whatever,
Um, if we didn't get a wrangling on it, there's also a foreseeable future of where the EU and the UN and NATO and like, and even China and the rest of the rest of the world, like they look at the US and they're like, Hey, the US is like, we were all kind of complaining about like the, the hegemonic order, but they're also a very important linchpin in the global economy.

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so we need to send in peacekeepers and establish security there and we will we will like establish
a um a like protectorate over the united states and it'll it'll be somebody like a combination of
china and london or something like that that's like that's maintaining order over that and like
that that not an environment any of us want to be in i don think it an environment most americans would put up with either right and that i think that one of the other things is if there enough violence here I think you exactly right I think the rest of the world says well or it let just say I say the rest of the world

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the players that be in the rest of the world that have the, the power and the money and the
resources to move, uh, a, a quote unquote peace force into America would jump at that opportunity.
If there's a foothold to be had, there is a there's a opportunity that they would try to do something like that.

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And all that does is it's like every time you bring in a superior force like they're doing now with the Marine Corps,
like all you're doing is upping the odds that something goes sideways and then it shifts in a escalation instead of a de-escalation way.
um you know things always go sideways in those environments right i mean you look at you look at

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when they sacrifice the marines in lebanon you know in beirut like that i guarantee you from you
know from everything that i've read and heard and studied i think those marines were literally
slaughtered to to bring about change right like i think they were pawns in the game and they were
slaughtered uh right there on the spot and you know we go down conspiracy rabbit holes and everything

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I think that was a clear signal that we were not supposed to be doing what we were doing.
They slaughtered those guys, and it turned the entire situation in the 1980s from where we were not as in bed with the Israelis as we are today.
Right. Like, and so you start to see, you start bringing in guys like this. Let's just say, you know, wherever these Marines are being, you know, taken to, whether it's their, their barracks or, you know, whatever their accommodation.

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They're around the Reagan building, I believe. S2 Underground has been documenting it pretty well.
if they're in a place and that place gets either bombed or torched or Marines die,
you're looking at further escalation.
And further escalation in this type of city with these type of people
is only going to ratchet up, right?

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California thinks they got rid of all the guns.
You're going to find out how many guns are still in Southern California very quick
if things like this go sideways.
Because if I know who Marines are, and I do,
especially the guys from 2-7 out in damn 29 Palms right like like you've seen videos going around
about this kind of stuff I imagine if you don't know where 29 Palms is it is the worst duty

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station in the Marine Corps it is it is east of Joshua Tree in the middle of the desert where
all your DGENs get to go for a while they paint rocks in 115 degree heat they hump hills
and they hate their life and you know having a chance to go to la to possibly prove themselves

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against you know people who they're being told right like and that's what happens is
they're being they're being isolated in this at this point they're they've gone into isoprep
now the warning order and the frag order has probably been issued and these guys are about
to go out and dude you give these guys live rounds in a situation like this and you know

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somebody kills a Marine or a Marine gets injured by somebody.
Bets are off,
man.
Like all bets are off for me.
Yeah.
And then,
and then you also put them in the environment of where people are acting
stupid.
And then the Marines go to try and wrangle control over them.
The individual,
the people that are acting stupid,
get hurt.
And then they start to blame the Marines that wrangle control over them.

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That's a level of frustration and just general stupidity.
That's just going to ratchet it up for the individual Marines themselves.
It was like,
well,
I wouldn't be here if you weren't already doing some stupid shit.
So like,
I don't like,
you don't have like the room to complain.
Like if you,
if you don't,
if you don't want to be here,
risking getting hurt,
stop burning cars,
go home.

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Um,
I did find this one piece out here too,
is it?
This is,
this is very interesting.
If anybody is out there,
that's really a hard up.
Dude,
I'm about to start rioting 12 K a week.
They're seeking extremely tough,
brave men for a new crew uh i don't know what i i'm building i don't know i guess a crew i'm

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building all right 6 500 to 12 500 per week um contract no experiences required job title
operator how obvious do you have to make it with the job title of operator yeah we are forming a
select team of the toughest dudes in the area.

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This unit will be activated only when the situation depends on it,
but you get paid every week,
no matter what high pressure,
high risk,
no room for hesitation.
We need a mercenary posting on Craigslist.
Yeah.
Do not break panic or fold under stress and are basically all around kick
ass dudes.
So this is,
this is,
this sounds like somebody who's trying to play special operator and it's

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trying to play eric prince and they're trying like they they have access to money i don't know
where like wherever it's coming from but this seems like they're trying to pretend like they're
they're playing cia and they're like they're gonna go out with their own little militia or pmc unit
they're gonna like foment some discord it's like dude no no they're even paying relocation assistance
possibly and here's here's the wild thing about this mike is you could literally recruit both

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sides from this you could you literally can recruit both sides okay so i found i i hear me out
i think i found a new avenue for bitcoin veterans funding we play both sides but we don't do
anything we just go to the gas station and hang out we're a bunch of badass we're badasses we're

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tough we won't buckle and all that kind of stuff oh did we forget to mention uh peaceful uh but not
harmless kind of you know you didn't say anything about actually doing anything in the job poster
it just stated our capabilities and like ability to to not fold under pressure it's like we're not
folding under pressure we're we're taking your money and going home that's right so if any of

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you guys need about twelve thousand dollars a week um apparently there's no experience required
you just got to kind of show up and maybe look the part i don't know well so like that that touches
on something too that i was going to kind of rant about in our spaces this morning and i forgot to
which is probably for everybody else's enjoyment but um a lot of the stuff that you see in these
environments like j6 i don't think j6 is really comparable but j6 blm what's going on right now

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in la a lot of the individuals that you see out there that are like dressing to impress like going
out with kit of any and all kind those aren't the guys that are actually capable of doing what
they're trying to look like they're capable of doing right like the only the only time i've seen

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it was uh was during the the blm riots you remember that clip of where that there was like a teenage
kid with a rifle and a guy walked up with a with a sidearm and he like he stowed his rifle to the
side just grabbed it and then uh um ejected the round in the magazine and like told him to go home
and get out like that's the only that's the only time i've seen somebody that's out in an environment

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like that with a rifle that's actually acting and positioning themselves like a former operator
because he didn't have like he didn't have full vest and everything if i remember correctly he
just he had his rifle to like be able to defend himself and anybody around him and then a hoodie
so like i i just i just want to make sure that like people that don't have experience with like

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military military personnel is like a lot of the times the guys that are out there that are dressed
up like they're like some sort of special forces guy like they're not they're not it they're they're
trying to pretend army yeah it really i mean i know enough operators in this world is you're not
going to find them in um fatigues most of the time like yeah 99 of the time they're just going

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be wearing a baseball cap and street clothes and you're never gonna know yep just like uh what was
it um ivanka trump was like walking on the street and her uh her secret service guys like came out
of nowhere and jumped a guy that was like recording with camera oh dude i did see that where he was
just like hey no thank you go away it's like um yeah you didn't know we're here because we didn't

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want you to know we're here and we're very good at it so knock it off yeah soft presence yeah um
yeah i think we i mean anything else on this uh subject no it's just i think i think like i said
in the spaces earlier this afternoon too is uh i don't think that there's really anything that
if you're if you're not living in the immediate area and you're not like looking out for the

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safety of like your family and yourself like there's no need to to um meticulously watch this
stuff just like check in i would i if you're gonna do anything like do what i do is like check in like
once or twice in an evening to see how things are, if they're escalating or if they're spreading.
So you understand what's going on and then just move on with your life and don't feed into the

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panic. Yeah. I, I a hundred percent agree with you, Mike is stay away from this as far as you can.
Don't give it your energy. Don't give it your worry. Don't give it any of that kind of stuff.
Obviously preparation is a great thing and you should be prepared for a summer where maybe they're
going to do some of this kind of stuff in terms of escalation. But I think I think the American
public has got the right idea for the most part is are they are they righteously angry at a lot of

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things that are going on absolutely um to bring this back to bitcoin this is we're literally
watching a this is all occurring because a fiat system allows it and needs it to occur
bitcoin fixes a lot of this and i say that as a guy that's sitting here for a long time that
you know, has really wanted to see things change in the United States for the better.

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And if we can fix the money where the incentives change to a harder system, a meritocracy system,
where you can't just wear your way out of problems, you literally have to fix them and
war doesn't get you any further down the road or any closer to those things. That's what Bitcoin
does. So if you're new to Bitcoin and you're wondering how all this happens,

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man, check out BitcoinVeterans.org. It's our organization. It is free for everybody.
We have a mountain of guys in here, a legion of guys that are ready to help you understand
every facet and go down as many rabbit holes with you as you need to go down.
But fixing the money in our lifetime is what's really driving this now. And I really think

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you know, that's what's driving the collapse of this empire as fast as it is. I mean,
spending has got to, you know, speed up. And at the same time as well, they're speeding up spending.
Bitcoin is starting to capture the imaginations of extremely wealthy traditional finance.
The different state actors that are out there. And obviously, there's a big rip right now with

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even our, I should say, you know, some of the heroes of Bitcoin, like the sailors and the
maulers out there that are looking at, you know, doing financing on your Bitcoin, which I don't
necessarily agree with. But at the same time, it's like, things are happening in the space
because Bitcoin is forcing their hand. If they don't start to participate in Bitcoin, at some

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point, they're going to be irrelevant and they're not ready to be irrelevant yet.
Yeah. I think the other aspect of the kind of light at the end of the tunnel that Bitcoin provides is not necessarily as a monetary unit or as an asset per se, but more like the cultural or philosophical underpinnings that happen from, say we have our couple hundred bets that we've got.

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and a lot of them become, or any number of them become millionaires or whatever.
What do you think happens when a not harmless, but radically peaceful group of militarily trained men
have financial wealth at their disposal and like the things that they're capable of doing for like a community or a country?

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Like that kind of thing is just like that alone, in my opinion, should be exciting.
And that's how it should be. You don't want, in my opinion, you don't want the Steve Jobses or the Jeff Bezoses or the Elon Musk accruing all the wealth of a country.

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You want the principled, skillful, very protective members of society having the wealth because they're going to put the money and the wealth where it needs to go instead of where they can profit most.
Because you're chasing profit. And that's not a position against capitalism, but just like any other system, you put too many resources into too many of the wrong hands and things go sideways really bad.

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Yeah, I think you're on to something. And it's actually a great segue into what we're going to be talking about here soon. The second renaissance, the idea that you are going to have a bunch of military, actually, not only trained, but guys with experience with a load of power because of Bitcoin.

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because the incentive structure is such and the name economy enters into the equation with Bitcoin
is this starts to really drive innovation and change.
And it also begins to drive, I think, you know, a lot what you talk about in the beginning of your book.
Let's let's flash it up here so everybody can see it.

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I'm going to put a I'm going to drop a link here in the chat and throw it up on the screen for you guys.
but um you can kind of see here this is uh on amazon uh mike is now an author and a an esteemed
author at that the second renaissance reclaiming prosperity and a decentralized age you just
published this um what um back in middle of may it looks like yeah yeah i think you probably would

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have gotten it within i don't know i would think 24 or 48 hours i can't remember yeah um i think
was may 15th or may 14th so yeah that sounds about right it's uh so far uh it's it's an incredible
book uh and it begs you know that question and it it talks about it in the very beginning in terms
of identifying problems right as um one of one of the giant problems that we have in this day and age

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is we we lack a masculine um an understanding of masculinity from a positive point of view
because we've had this, you know, feminism, woke feminism run awry to a certain point where it's,
you know, been weaponized against all males, right? Like, unless you're some soy boy,

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white knight piece of shit, right? Like, but you really, you lined out that chapter extremely well,
and I don't remember off the top of my head which one it was. I think it may have been four.
But in terms of this woke feminism that's been used against us and really been used to deride young males and even the whole spectrum of male progression into your apprenticeships, your journeymen, and then into your masters.

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right? As we've gone down this fateful revolution that we have in this progressive
hellscape that we're coming out of right now, you really pointed that as one of the key problems
in terms of fiat money. And I'd love for you to go into it a little bit.

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Well, like, so I actually, and I, I kind of did us a disservice or maybe I didn't.
I, I just recently spoke with Joey of the Canadian Bitcoiner podcast on Twitter.
We did a live stream where I, like I was, I gotta tell you, I was so heavily caffeinated going into this because I was so tired.
Because for those of you that don't know, I just became a dad two weeks ago.

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And I'm waking, I was waking up at like four.
Dad and author within a month, man.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
um but waking up at like four in the morning staying up and getting stuff done around the
house while mom's trying to sleep and rest up and uh we i think we spoke at like eight o'clock at
night so like i was probably on like my my fifth cup of coffee within like six hours at that point

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um i actually ended up getting sick because i consumed so much caffeine i was so dehydrated
that day that uh i thought my heart was going to explode out of my chest and that's the first time
I've ever done that. And that's like going on deployment, being in a desert environment,
130 degrees and drinking monsters and pre-workout all day. And I still never hit that limit.
But anyway, so the problem with masculinity is like, it's extremely

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multi-pronged. It's a flywheel that has a number of different inputs, right? So like
you just mentioned like the feminism angle, which is very cultural, philosophical, psychological,
and corporate, right? Because like, there's the DEI aspect of like, specifically choosing not to
hire men. And in the last couple of years, white men in particular, which I don't know if you guys

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have looked around the US, but the majority of men in the US are white men. When you have
environments where the females are being led to believe that masculinity in general, and it's all
facet of masculinity, right? Like it didn't start this way, but it like, it kind of came to a
crescendo in the last couple of years of anything that men try to do to better themselves or to

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establish themselves is a net negative. There, there was no adherence for, um, understanding
that men need their own spaces, just like women need their own spaces because men have to develop
each other. Right. Because like, if we don't, if we don't have like dojos as just like an example,
If we don't have dojos of where the men with the boys with the thin skin or the boys and the men with the insecurities come in and try to prove themselves and get smacked in the face and thrown into the dirt.

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If they don't get humbled and kind of put in their place, they become nuisances to the rest of the community in the country.
That's just one example.
when you have those men that aren't getting that dojo experience and then they also cannot get
employment then you run into another problem of where they're just growing more and more frustrated

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they're blaming the rest of the system and they're adopting a victimist strategy and then
you also throw in the fact that like those two aspects make those men very undesirable mates for
women and so those guys can't get mates then you have an extremely sexually frustrated male
environment, um, that has very thin skin and are very insecure. Like that's, that that's,

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that's not a recipe for the worst type of society. Yeah. That's, that's not a recipe for success.
We'll just put it that way. Um, and then you like, so those, those are just like the underpinnings,
but then you're, we're also not, um, what I also kind of tried to touch on with the structure of
the book too, is that there's also a nutritional aspect. So, um, starting, what was it? Probably in

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the eighties, I think eighties, seventies or eighties. Uh, funny thing is like, this all comes
downstream of the Nixon era and breaking of the gold window with the dollar. And just as soon as
the dollar became backed by itself, like all of these problems just like sprung up like weeds.
Um, what we, what, what I'm getting, what I'm leading us to is that the nutritional aspect of

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you started getting the federal government injecting itself with the,
the public's nutrition of stating like they,
that's where they started to demonize fats and glorify sugars for the sake of
like the big sugar conglomerates like Kellogg and Pepsi and Coca-Cola and all
those guys.
What happens with that is that you have a population that radically shifts its

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diet,
starting to get away from animal proteins because animal proteins are basically
just protein and fat.
You demonize fat, which lowers the cholesterol intake for the average individual.
And cholesterol is a necessary input for producing testosterone.
And brain function.
And brain function, yeah.

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And avoiding neuropathy and demyelination of the neurons and everything else.
So you're creating an environment that's its own flywheel.
Because once you get the public, you get a small, like Bitcoin is a great example.
You get a small subsection of the public buying into this idea or interested in this idea.

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It starts to kind of just churn itself.
And more and more people get interested because those people get more and more others interested and they talk about it and all that.
That's why you think so good, buddy.
Yep, exactly.
And so there's that diet aspect.
And then there's the progressive demonization of beef in the U.S., which is something that our friend Texas Slim has been really pounding the table about.

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Getting the males and the females to stop eating as much red meat has also lowered the testosterone levels itself because you can pick up some testosterone from just eating the meat itself because it's in the muscle.
And then you're like, you're also reducing the protein intake, which is also going to be reducing cognitive function, immune function.

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And like, you're going to need that protein to obviously grow your own muscle tissue, which growing muscle tissue is also going to further incentivize greater testosterone production.
So you're like, you're not, you're not like what's been happening is not just, you know, keeping white men from getting good jobs. It's been consistently beating down the male population in the US at literally every turn.

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you're keeping them from getting jobs they can't go into their dojos and get in their own like male
like manosphere to be able to develop themselves and find out where they were not only where they
stand but where they want to go they they can't get the mentorship and the leadership that they
want um they also because of the economics they can't get their own homes so they're they're like

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they're either stuck with roommates which you know roommates can be fine but if they can't get
roommates, then they're stuck in mom and dad's basement.
And that already you know it emasculating to say the least Oh yeah It emasculating in every regard yeah and then um they they can they aren getting like good enough nutrition because like the um one

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thing that i also talked about in the book is that the the produce that we're consuming is one eighth
the nutrient density of what it was back in the the 40s um which means that you have to eat seven
times more the amount of food in order to get the same nutrient density in like an apple or an orange
If that's true for us, it's also true for our cattle and our chickens. If it's true for our cattle and our chickens, that means we're getting even less from the meat that we're eating because our digestive system doesn't absorb at a perfect rate. It's basically a pressure differential.

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Well, and then you also have to factor in, okay, if we're not getting the proper nutrients from the wholesome things that we, you know, can eat or should eat, then what are you supplementing with? And a lot of times people are supplementing with extremely, you know, highly manufactured foods, right?
Like, yeah, when you do that, you're starting to see more cortisol, which you mentioned in your book, you know, stress hormone introduced.

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And on top of that, you're also seeing things like diabetics, you know, come into the picture where I think it was some pretty alarming statistics where you had over 12 percent of the population was diabetic.
And you had another 40 plus percent, if memory serves, that is pre-diabetic.
So if you're, you're literally being starved of nutrients on purpose, and then filling in the gap, spending more money to, you know, possibly fill those in with manufactured foods that are absolutely terrible for you for a lot of reasons.

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um i wanted well and on top of that too just one one other thing is like the the supplements like
the our digestion our nutrient absorption isn't perfect like i've stated but then that's from
whole foods and when you get into the process stuff you have a variable that's called bioavailability
which if you're having the process stuff the the uptake goes down even greater so like it's it's

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It's just, it's again, it's, it's not a winning environment. There's no, there's no perfect
solution here. Yeah. And just so everybody knows, Mike, isn't just, um, flippantly talking about
this in his book. Mike, Mike has studied health and nutrition for a long time. We're talking about
his book, uh, the second Renaissance. And, you know, one of the first things I ever knew Mike,
um, through was, uh, clubhouse and then the early spaces out there. And this was, this was his

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wheelhouse. You know, it was one of those things where if something came up in terms of health,
Mike was, you know, Johnny on the spot with this kind of stuff. So, um, the, the first few chapters,
it's especially outlining, um, you know, nutrition and the bioavailability of nutrients and, and
really the, the starter, um, you know, where this all comes from in terms of, uh, our, our methods

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of agriculture and this fiat, uh, age, um, really stems. I wanted to, before we get into that side,
I wanted to kind of take a minute and really kind of talk to what you were, what you were saying
about, you know, dojos and guys and training and martial arts. And that's something obviously,
you know, near and dear to me and my family, right. Is we've got an entire, yeah, you got an

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entire family that loves, um, to go to the gym and get effort together and jujitsu. And, you know,
what that affords, I just, I can't speak highly enough of, of the martial art in general. I don't
care what martial art you do, but jujitsu is one of those where if, if you really want to, you know,
go and find a great gem, a family gem or something like that, where you can take your sons and

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daughter and wife and train. Obviously be careful because not all gems are created equal and there
are some real shitheads out there in the space that are predatory, but there are also some great
places. And what you're doing in that time and space is you're also establishing a natural
hierarchy that you mentioned in your book, right? This natural hierarchy is, you know, there's a lot

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of, there's a lot of bloviating about alpha males and all that kind of stuff in society. And I will
tell you, you know, you can find gyms with that kind of shit too. I highly suggest you find, you
know, the humble warriors to learn from. And when you do, what you'll find is the guys who are the
alphas don't have to say anything. They don't have, they're not talking about alphas. They're

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not talking about betas and cucks and you know, all this other like, I mean, maybe in behind closed
doors, but not out in front of everybody. Yeah. But the Myron Gaines's are not alphas.
Yeah, exactly. Right. So, um, you know, there's this natural pecking order that you start to see
where, um, it sets things, I believe in the correct lens for young men, especially to see.

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And when, when you, when you come in and you are a spaz, right.
Whether you're a young, a young white belt or an old white belt, or it doesn't matter
when you're new and you don't understand it's, it's the hardest part, right.
Is there's, there's kind of this feeling out period where a lot of people will quit, but

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the ones who get through it, you know, get to the other side and hopefully they've got
mentors that are talking to, you know, telling them, Hey, listen, you know, your job right now
isn't to submit people. Your job right now isn't even to escape. Like your job right now is just
survival. And once you start to get to a certain point, then we'll start worrying about escapes.
Then we'll start worrying about possibly, you know, doing some passes and going on the offense.

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But what it does is it kind of sets up this, you know, this hierarchy where they can see where they
have, you know, guys who have been at it longer, who have put in more effort that maybe have
some more natural talent or strength or whatever the case, but then there's always somebody better
than that. And always somebody better than that. And even, you know, the old guys, like I'm talking,
you know, guys who are, you know, 50 plus years in their coral belts, you know, they're, they are

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extremely well-respected. Could some of the black belts and maybe even some of the, you know, wound
up purple belts beat those coral belts? Of course they can, but they don't dare go out there and
show their ass in front of the school trying to embarrass or, you know, quote unquote, win against
somebody like this, because this guy has earned everybody's respect around there. Because at one

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point, this guy could take everybody's life or this, you know, like, it's one of those things
where these kids start to see humility, they start to see the their ability to progress. And they,
they start to they start to understand a a bigger world than this like fight or flight they they're
beginning to see how to think through their issues to become you know master chess players on a

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chess board that's always moving which is very similar to life yeah well and they they see um
they see like second third fourth and fifth order effects of like their decisions is kind of what
you're getting at too because like if they were to just spaz out and try and fight the
the village it's effectively the village elder um that's established himself as both the warrior

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and the the elder and like the the source of wisdom if you're gonna spaz out even if you do
beat him like you're not gonna win because like because then you like you lose the respect of the
entire community and you humiliate yourself in a way that they couldn't have pictured before they
thought they would have thought they're like oh i'm gonna beat the the best strongest most skilled

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guy here and like i'm gonna i'm gonna be like the the big man on campus it's like no everybody's
gonna turn on you yeah you've you've you've upset the apple cart in the village right yeah yeah and
like and you like you can't like you don't get that kind of exposure unless you're thrust into
like that and it's effectively a male environment because like i my um my dojo effectively was

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growing up in the pipe fitters union because it was this it was a similar kind of space i was the
scrawny kid that, um, my dad was well known in the space, but, uh, like I came in with like trying
to prove that I'm like, I'm smarter than everybody. And that's really no different. Like then you just,
you get humiliated and then like you get proven that you're also weak and like all this, it's like,

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okay, well I should probably just shut my mouth and work a little hard and I'll gain my respect
that way. You know? Yeah. Um, it's, there's something to be said for, you know, managing
emotions as well um yeah yeah in this uh in this society of outrage where uh i don't know you've
got every purple haired wildebeest that you know can't help themselves and you know some guys you

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know some some guys as well will yell into their phone right like they'll yell into their phone
then they'll post it on social media and the entire world can see how out of control they are
with their own emotions and their own mindset and their own OODA loop. And I think this return to
masculinity that you've outlined, right, because of Bitcoin and what Bitcoin provides in terms of

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the incentive structure and the environment for these type of things really goes a long way toward
taking this up and down type of emotional mentality and really kind of streamlining it
to this beautiful, like you're very even, you're very stoic. You're very, um, you know,

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you're very present in other words, and then being present and being able to put energy into the
current moment versus the past, which does, you know, good or the future, which I mean,
you can prep for, but you're always living in the present that, that ability to stabilize
your presence in any crowd, in any group, any, you know, in any situation that is,

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that is what America needs more than ever right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like,
that's also why I tweeted out earlier today that Bitcoin veterans tend to be
the calmest people in the room.
Cause we have like,
we have the,
the dojo experience and then the financial stoicism of the Bitcoin assets.
So it's like,
as long as you don't,

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as long as you don't mess with me,
I don't care.
Like,
I don't have to care.
Like stay off my lawn,
stay out of my neighborhood.
don't jack with my, my source of food and my, my comfort and like the safety of my family. And
like, we just, we, we won't have a problem. Right. Yeah. Yeah, man. Um, let's get into a little bit

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of the, um, the, the diagnosing of the, the problems, uh, we kind of touched on a little
bit earlier, uh, down to the soil. Um, I know Texas Slim has had a lot of influence on you
in this regard. And, um, you know, the beef initiative, if you guys don't know who Texas
live is, uh, he runs the beach beef initiative, extremely, um, charismatic guy that really cares

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about where we're sourcing our food, how we're sourcing our food, um, and how we're maintaining
our land. Um, because that's where a lot of the issues start. So if you want to kind of dive into
that for us a little bit. Yeah. So this is, um, this is going to continue to be downstream
of what we were talking about with the masculinity issues and following like the the health problems

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so we we already touched on the fact that uh all of our food essentially is not as nutrient dense
as it was a couple decades ago and you have to ask well why is that right because and this is
also one of the reasons why i wrote these sections for this book is that um a lot of the problems that

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are kind of mainstream now that weren't mainstream a couple years ago they're still very surface
level. Like the, the, the diet is still very surface level. Like you can only do so much with
the diet when, um, you have to increase the volume of the, the produce that you're eating
because the produce isn't as dense as it was before how it was supposed to be. Um,

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so if our food is one eighth, the nutrient density of what it's supposed to be,
that means that our soil is terribly destroyed. Um, some of the, one of the, my favorite statistics,
which is, I mean, maybe it shouldn't be favorite. Maybe it's the least favorite statistics,
is that here in Iowa, 30% of our topsoil has been eroded and it's gone down the Mississippi

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and ended up in the Gulf of Mexico or whatever. And then what's left is a problem of industry here
in the US. So I don't know if there's a single person in America that doesn't know what like a
cornfield is going to look like, um, or a combine. And one of the problems with, and that, like that

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particular type of farming, the farming that we all know and are comfortable with right now
is called industrialized monocropping. Thanks Jesus. Love you too. Um, that's, that's pretty
funny. I didn't, I didn't see that comment. Um, but one of the, the, the, the farming that we all
know that's got the big pieces of machinery that are going through the farms at night.

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And that you've seen in the movies like Interstellar, the combines, that's called industrialized monocropping.
And you break the word down, industrialized, big industrial equipment, monocropping, one single crop across the entire field.
What that is doing is it's sapping the nutrients for that specific crop and then leaving behind what could be nutrients for another crop,

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but is being basically determined as waste because they're just going to replant the next year, the next season.
So that is filling the soil with a lot of just junk.
And because it's filling it with junk for the specific crop we're trying to grow,
it's requiring the farmers to drop more and more fertilizer on the fields.

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And just like with the problem with our nutrient absorption,
you're going to notice a lot of parallels and similarities between all these different systems
is nutrient absorption and saturation in the soil is just like it is in our bodies.
It's not perfect.
So like when we drop a, say a hundred percent mixture of fertilizer on our soil,
at best 50% of it is staying.

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The rest of it's getting washed away in the water table through like the rains and everything else,
or like the, the farmers watering their fields.
and you have to think about what happens with all that extra nitrogen,
which fertilizers are primarily nitrates.
What happens with all that nitrogen that gets put into the rivers and the streams?
You get algae blooms.

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You get just all sorts of ecosystem disruption.
And then that makes its way down into the Gulf of Mexico.
That screws up ecosystems down there, screws up fishing.
And then a lot of times those fertilizers make their way into the food
through other produce and like fish and cattle that feed on these, these, these areas where the,

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the fertilizer finds itself. And then we get right around to, to consuming it, which, you know,
is not great. And then, but then there's also another aspect of the actual industrialized
farming itself, where the term tillage comes into play. So tilling is a breaking up of the surface
tension, like the roots and like the grass and like, uh, just everything that's on the surface

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level is breaking it up. It makes it easier to plant new seeds in the soil. But what you're
doing is you're destroying the system. That's keeping like basically the skin of the earth
together and homogenous. And when you do that, when you expose the soil underneath,
it's very, I want to do Texas slim credit here. There's a difference between dirt and soil.

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so dirt's the brown stuff that's dry it's crumbly and it's everything else but soil is actually it's
it's it's it's um it's damp it's wet it's dark it's very kind of it's very dense soil is um
biologically active um and so like when when you're breaking up the surface tension the skin

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of the earth you're turning the soil into dirt because it's exposed you're exposing the soft
underbelly to the extreme conditions of the environment, like the air, which will dry it out,
which I mean, you guys have gotten plenty of cuts. Like when you get like the tissue underneath your
skin dried out, it starts to crack. It's not, it's not, it's not the same as what it's supposed

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to be. And then you're also exposing that white soft underbelly to aspects of like heat. When the
soil gets to like 90 degree temperature, biological activity just stops. It kills everything. It
sterilizes the soil, turning it into dirt. So, and it's also important to also like mention that

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the biological activity that's going on in underneath the surface of the soil,
where all that darkness and that richness is coming from is a very complex biome, just like
the biome inside your gut, that is breaking down like different minerals and different
different compounds into very simple, simple molecular structures, like, like breaking down

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like the actual, like mineral version of nitrogen, which is coming from the fertilizers into something
that the crops can use. Right. So like when, when we're doing this industrialized monocropping,
we're, we're basically destroying absolutely everything about our land in order to get a quick
yield out of, out of, out of like our crops and everything that we're trying to use to not only

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feed ourselves and our kids, but we're also feeding our livestock. And it's, I mean, we're,
it's, we're basically band-aiding an entire system and it's just, it makes itself worse
with each successive year. Yeah. You know, when you, when you get into this, I really,
I love the discussion on, on soil. There's so, it's so fascinating. I think a lot of people have

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been led to believe through, you know, indoctrination and science, you know, studies
out there that you soil is one of those things that's not really something that they're they're
too interested in um and what to me it's amazing obviously i i live in this you know primeval
forest out here in the appalachians which i think is incredible um and the soil here isn't isn't real

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deep but it's it's ancient and when you start to look at you know what is it that you know makes
this place the way it is in terms of its plant life and its, um, its biology, you know, its
interactions between the, the, the plants and the animals, you have to, you have to really strip it
down and kind of see how this all works together. And you mentioned in your book, um, it breaks down

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the mycelium network that's in the ground, right. And that mycelium network is very responsible for
literally sending signals and moving nutrients through root systems and, and different, um, you
know, things like worms that are in the soil and, and, and people, you know, they've never, they've

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never been taught these things. They've never been taught how this underground system of mycelium
works. And if you're starting to drag, you know, um, you know, plows and tillers and things through,
through soil you're you're literally cutting a network you know the network effect of what's
what that mycelium provides to that environment you're you're cutting it into hundreds of

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thousands of pieces if not millions and millions of pieces right and that's yeah that's one of
those things that doesn't just restore overnight you've got to have uh you know cattle you know
uh, what is ruminant types of animals that are, they're going to eat. Um, you know, if there's
anything that grows from these fields or the dam, um, and they have to defecate on it and they need,

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this has to happen for months and months and months, if not, you know, longer depending on
how stripped out the soil is. And that's, it's a, you know, like you said, it's, it's one of
these compounding things where if we, if we don't pay attention to this and we don't start to fix it,
then, you know, when this fiat bubble does implode and they don't have the money to put into,

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you know, things like nitrogen rich fertilizers to put on these fields, what do you think you're
going to get out of the fields? You're gonna get nothing. Well, and you can, you get, and to your
point, you can only put so many nitrogen rich fertilizers on the fields before it just,
it doesn't uptake anything. Yeah. Right. Because eventually you just get to like a,
um, a situation that's like idiocracy where they're dumping the Gatorade on the, on the crops

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to where, to where there's this, like, it's effectively just a hundred percent fertilizer
and no soil. And then like nothing's going to grow. Um, then you get your own dust bowl at that
point. Yeah, exactly. Right. Um, are you a fan of Clarkson's farm at all? Have you ever seen it,
watched it? I've heard of it. I don't know. I think you really enjoy it. Um, you know, uh,

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that's, that's entertaining television for, for me and my wife these days, a couple of,
middle-aged homesteaders.
But I think the Bitcoin crowd,
if you haven't seen Clarkson's Farm,
I think a lot of people would really enjoy it.
It's putting farming in the forefront,
especially in the UK.
And I think it's the season before this one.
They're on season four now.

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But they were talking about how you can...
It's very hard to farm, right?
You either go big or go broke,
I think is one of the quotes in your book.
um if if you're trying to farm at a industrial size scale the amount of fertilizer that you know
people are buying and and putting on fields is astronomical i mean you look at it you're just

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like oh my gosh like this is this is incredible um this there's they're returning to regenerative
type of agriculture where they will have in they document this in in clarson's farm in season three
where they have some trial fields where they're actually spending much, much less on things like

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the fertilizer and the pesticides and the herbicides. And they're doing this in a more
natural way. And they're not only breaking even, they're saving money. They may not have the yield
that they initially had with all the fertilizer, right? But your yield is more nutrient dense.
the soil is you know able to bear the brunt of this on a rotation and now you're starting to not

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do monocrop or you're doing like sister plants right where yep you know um corn and uh beans and
and you know whether they call it the three sisters or whatever um things like that where
you you have the right plants that are there to not only support each other but also support the
soil at the same time by putting nitrogen back into the soil naturally.

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Um, and that's, that's something that I, I'm, man, I can't wait to see things
like this, you know, coming back to fruition.
Yeah.
Well, and like the, the other cool thing too, is like with the
regenerative agriculture stuff is that it not it not just the crop rotation It also making sure you design like a hedgerow and like a tree line that will support like it will support the aspects of the ecosystem like specific bugs or birds

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that will eat the pests that become problems for the crops themselves. So you have a giant,
and this is something Mel, like I love mentioning because I always bring it up here at the house,
but it's a complex adaptive system like it's like it there's um once you get it to the point
of where it's it's basically managing itself and then you're just changing which crops are in the

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rotation to the point of where like you're literally like and like the the cool thing is that once you
get on a cycle like this then like regenerative farmers they just like have to coordinate with
their neighbors to where one neighbor it's like this is their crop season so then uh for them it's
like their soybean season and the next one is like the next one so it's like the the yield just

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hops down the line as far as like in the in the environment and everybody's supporting everybody
else yeah much healthier um way about farming and it's boy to to get to get big ag back out
of farming and start doing you know what farmers do best right is taking care of the land and being

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conservationists where this, this is nature healing. And, you know, this is one of the
things where, you know, Bitcoin helps us get to that point, right. As you go into it in your book
and I don't know if you want to save some of this for the reader or not, but you know, this is,
this is something that over time, you know, Bitcoin begins to fix because we have to be

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smarter. We have to be more intentional and we can't just be extremely wasteful with a finite
resource. Yeah. Well, and like the, the gist of it is that with like the, with like a fiat currency,
it just, it allows you to avoid actual reality, right? Because you're just, you're printing
a worthless piece of paper out of nothing and demanding that people use that as a, as a form of

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exchange for goods and services. And that can only last for so long. And then eventually the rest of
the world is going to be like, okay, this isn't real.
So what are we going to use now?
Because I don't, I don't want, I don't want your,
I don't want your Chuck E. Cheese tokens anymore.
You need to, you need to give me something that I can actually use.

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Well, yeah. I mean, we, we talk about, you know,
a lot of times in this world where eventually the energy rich nations are no
longer going to take the dollar. You know, at some point they're, I mean,
in a lot of places around the world,
they're not taking American food either because it's such trash.
yeah and that's all downstream of the fiat currency like the the soil is trash the farming

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is trash the food is trash the policies are trash like it's i think i think like that kind of
touches on like the the topic that we were on earlier is that like there's a lot of there's a
lot of fight that's looking for a front right now and i think um i think people need to realize that
the front is moving digital and you might as well put some of your fight into something like

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bitcoin rather than go out and get involved with what's going on the streets it's not going to
change anything it's so easy to golly i mean let's i guess we'll kind of shift gears a little
bit uh is there anything else you want to get into um in terms of this is no because like uh
if you keep asking me questions i'm basically going to talk about the whole book and then
nobody has any justification to actually go out and buy it.

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And I do want people to buy it.
Go out.
Mike has put a ton of work into this.
The second Renaissance,
you can find it on Amazon.
The link is in the show notes and I will make sure that it is widely
broadcast tonight and after the show and all that fun stuff.
But there,
there's been some,
some things obviously happening since last we have met.

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I did get to go out to Vegas for the stable coin convention.
Oh, yeah.
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
Man, I got to tell you, I wasn't going to go to Vegas.
I had to go to Vegas for work.
And it was exactly what I thought it was going to be.

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So for those of you guys that don't know, I was in the MIC industry for a while and I had to go to Vegas every year for the SHOT Show, which is at the Venetian in the Palazzo.
And it's the same convention center and all the same bullshit, right?
It's just same bullshit, different day.
It's Vegas is, in my heart, Vegas is one of the most fiat places on earth.

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It's a cesspool.
Yeah.
To go from Nashville to Vegas the way that they did, man, I got to tell you.
Is it jarring?
It's awful.
It was last year.
This organization, Bitcoin Veterans, did some really amazing work.

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And when we heard the announcement was going to be Vegas, everybody was like, fuck that.
What are we doing?
Put it back in Nashville so we can go work with Dustoff Dan again.
Yeah.
In 2026, it's going to be there again.
Unless I have to go for work or something, I don't plan on being there.
So I don't need a debrief.

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I think there's been plenty said about how jarring, how awful, how stablecoin, crypto, tradfi, suit like Vegas was.
but it did you know kind of spur something inside of me and some of the other bitcoin veterans that
were there that were hanging out in a a nice cigar lounge having a bourbon I gotta tell you

(01:16:08):
Brett if you're out there and listening man like great fine if you guys know Brett G man
Brett G is the man and he likes a good cigar as as do I once in a while and he found this
spot where you couldn't even begin to think that this was vegas it was it was amazing oh nice a
little oasis yeah man it was this this oasis um we got to get into there and talk and we started

(01:16:33):
talking about kind of debriefing this trip and like next next time around um there's obviously
a lot going on with bitcoin veterans so much that i can barely even keep up these days
um we've got bitcoin alaska that's coming um there's a daily show that happens at 10 a.m
on spaces every day. Check out all those things. And if you haven't got your tickets for Bitcoin

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Alaska, there's still spots up there. And I know those guys would love to have you. I will not be
in Alaska. There is now, we are moving in another direction to get the band back together in
Nashville. And this is something that I think I would like to continue. We are working with
Bitcoin Park. Rod and the guys over there have been extremely gracious. We're going to be working

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with them once a month, once a quarter in DC and Nashville and in Austin. These guys have given us
basically the keys to Bitcoin Park and all we have to do is coordinate through them. So we are
coordinating right now another telehash and props to Big Nick and Montani and the rest of the guys

(01:17:42):
out there, Gabe, that organized the telehash this time around. These guys were extremely successful
in pointing hash rate towards a great cause for Memorial Day. And if you don't understand the
words that are coming out of my mouth, allow me to explain. In Bitcoin mining, when you mine,

(01:18:05):
you can dedicate the computing power that your miners will use energy for and push them towards
a centralized pool if you choose. And that's what these guys did. I think they came up with about
109 petahash at peak, which is extremely impressive. I did not know that. Yeah, man.

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And I definitely wanted to give these guys just, you know, all the kudos that they deserve on this.
This is, they've learned some valuable lessons.
And what we are going to do is not only recreate that,
but we're also going to, I think,
recreate what we did for Bitcoin Park in 2024

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for the shooting range.
We are going to have an event,
it sounds like, at Bitcoin Park for Veterans Day.
I believe that's going to be the week before the 10th.
And I'll just see if I can't get those dates.
This is not in stone yet.
This is all pre-planning.
But if you're making plans for this fall, that would probably be like November 6th, 7th, 5th, 6th, 7th, maybe 8th, 9th into that weekend.

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I don't know.
But that's when we're looking at is doing it the week prior to Veterans Day, which is on the 11th of November this year.
I will be making it for that one.
Yeah.
So everybody knows.
I would like to rent, if we can, the same house. I would like to have other houses in that area

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filled. And I would like this to be a big Bitcoin veterans family event. We've already started
talking about this. And for us, coming together, being together, fellowshipping, teaching each
other, and learning from each other and spreading that into the Bitcoin ecosystem, I think is one of

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the best proofs of work that we can possibly give considering our skill set and our network effect.
And thank God for the guys over at Bitcoin Park and the amazing things that they do,
both Rod and Odell, you know, and the rest of the people out there that sponsor this.
This is something that is going to be a great symbiotic relationship where we get to give as much as we can

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in that short time to each other and serve each other.
So I am, I'm extremely excited about it.
Yeah, dude. Like when, uh, when you guys, uh, get shared that update, I was like, I didn't even know what, like there, that was a, I don't know if that was a point of conversation that I just like I had missed or what, but like, that was probably one of the best surprises I've had for our organization.

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Like since we made the actual Bitcoin veterans besides, besides like the only other surprise would have been like how many guys showed up as far as like wanting to be a part of us.
So there's starting Bitcoin veterans and then there's Bitcoin Park being so gracious and giving us some space to coordinate and collaborate with them.

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And plus, I just love Nashville, so it gives me even more reason and capability to go back.
It does seem a little more homey than Nashville.
I will say that there's a better connection with the community.
There's a better connection, I think, with nature.
there's definitely a better connection with Bitcoiners in general.

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Um,
it seems in,
in not only just Bitcoiners,
but Bitcoiners families.
And I think that's,
you know,
if you're missing that for the trad fi suit,
um,
politicians and Vegas,
um,
I guess that's your choice.
And,
you know,
that's the thing is Bitcoin's open to everybody and Bitcoin is,
you know,
you,
you use it how you like to use it and whatever,

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and we'll do it our way.
And I guess,
you know,
We'll see who bears, you know, bigger, better fruit.
But this is, this is something I'm super.
Always better.
I'm just saying that.
I'm just saying.
I'm super excited about this, man.
When, when we started talking about it, I was like, yeah, you know, this is, we're in desperate need of a good get together this time because that, that debacle in Vegas was just.

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The conference was not it.
It was never going to be it.
Like, as soon as we found out, like you said, we're just like, no, no, no.
we're good it's not it's not even i'll try to make it it's like no i do not want to be in that nexus
of rot and filth no thank you yeah and i think that speaks a lot right is you know if if that was
you know i i know plenty of bitcoin veterans showed up out there they had a good time and

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you know for some of the guys especially on the west coast it is extremely hard to get as
far east as nashville i yeah i totally understand that um i if anybody's looking at doing something
on the West coast, Wade, I'm not, I'm not picking on you in Alaska. It's, you know, it's one of those
places where I would love to be able to go and do things. Um, but if, if anybody's looking to do

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something on the West coast, um, possibly more like Nashville, um, I'd be very interested to see
what maybe you think, because there are plenty of places out in, um, you know, the desert, not,
not necessarily Vegas, but, um, there are plenty of really beautiful places that, you know, people
can congregate get together um whether it's out in the mountains or the desert or something like

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that where uh i think bitcoin veterans would be a a great i don't know focal point for people to
meet around yeah i can i can i mean don't we don't have to keep it to mountains either it can be
really anywhere as long as there's a as long as we can get guys there yeah make it affordable

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make it make it somewhat um you know i say residential like just let's let's try to keep
it out of the bigger you know the bigger cities right is like if it's if it's going to be affordable
um you know i don't know exactly what comes to mind i'm not an expert on the west coast or anything
west of the rockies or even in the rockies for that matter but um you know make it a place where

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we can get together where there's nature where there's uh places where we can get out in the
nature, um, where families are welcome and that is probably fairly affordable. And I think we
could make something big happen for the West coast guys too, because I know, trust me, uh, East coast
is hard. I know also though, that Nashville is within about six hours of almost 90% of the U S

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population, which is crazy. Yeah. That's a, that's a big deal. Yeah, it is. It makes it, it makes it a
lot easier. Um, that was, that was kind of, uh, my big announcement from that and the takeaways from,
you know the the whole vegas thing um you know there's some good things that are happening and
there are some great people in bitcoin that continue to show up year after year that continue

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to be stoic about you know which way some of this stuff is going and i was extremely encouraged by
the number of people within the bitcoin especially the ogs who are like man this is the year of the
suits i i dude the first day i walked in i was like oh my god look at all these dudes and ties
and jackets and bullshit like you could you literally like them and them and them and them

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and i'm not saying you can't wear ties and jackets but i'm just gonna tell you guys if you're new to
bitcoin and you're coming into bitcoin you are not really the thing that ain't the thing anymore
yeah i mean like i i started back in i think my first conference was 21
and there weren't suits like even even the the billionaire guys like the like max kaiser and

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the rest of them it's like everybody's wearing like at best a a button-up t-shirt at most it's
usually a hoodie yeah yeah no i max is still not wearing suits at times i passed him a couple times
in the hallway and i was just like yep there's max you know he's still wearing around his bitcoin
beach stuff um but yeah i i think um i think the tolerance for that kind of stuff was at the right

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levels, right? Like extremely low. Um, whereas the, you know, in, in years past, we haven't had
to deal with that much nonsense. It used to be the crypto bros, which are, uh, significantly reduced.
They are still running around a little bit, but you know, everybody can spot them from a mile.
They, they, and they will be forever. Like there's no stopping them. So, but, um, I appreciate

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Bitcoin magazine, uh, that, that hooked a bunch of veterans up with a lot of free tickets. So,
yeah yeah yeah like we we might not have liked the conference but we can still like the the people
that are there yeah well you can and you know um you know those guys gave mike a good start
obviously with um with writing articles and everything like that and they have done the
great service of putting out great bitcoin pieces um and i hope that they will kind of recognize

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that at some point and maybe you know shift backwards towards uh a forgotten era that they
used to be in yeah we'll see i got an email for uh for a free ga ticket in the hong kong conference
and i'm like no like don't email me about hong kong i wouldn't mind going over to europe uh and

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i definitely wouldn't mind possibly going down what is it um is that is hong kong asia is that
the yeah yeah yeah i don't know hong kong isn't my spot either i don't think man um where they
what do they used to say something about flying rubber dog vomit in and out of you know there's a
i don't know whatever i don't know what that one is that's an old reference to an old movie but

(01:27:35):
um man we're we're wrapping up here it's about eight uh 8 24 mike uh any any parting thoughts
anything anything you gotta get out and uh let us know about no just that uh for those of you that
have have bought copies of the book including you shane i appreciate all of you um and i gotta i
have to admit that i am surprised every time that somebody tells me that they are enjoying it because

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as a creator i have a perfectionism to a fault so i i think that i never think that anything's
actually done so when you when you guys do tell me that you enjoy it i i genuinely appreciate it
it's not just like a it's not like a copy pasta response which is like oh thanks man it's like no
i i do genuinely appreciate it because like even like i i will read through it and i'll like

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temporarily think like, okay, yeah, I can see why, I can see why people are enjoying it. I think this
is actually good. But then I like, it's like, that washes away after 30 seconds. And I think that
I didn't do good enough. So I appreciate all you guys. That's awesome. Um, and for anybody that
wants to listen to the book, we are working on that. Um, Mike has been so gracious as to me to

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you say, we, you say we, and it's really you, like you're working on it and you're burning
through it at a rate that I was not prepared for.
So it's exciting.
Well, I'm excited to do it.
To be able to lend a voice to Mike's book here, The Second Renaissance, it's a pleasure.
I'm humbled to be able to do it.
And I got to tell you, in terms of doing a narration, which I really haven't done, it's

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a lot of fun.
It's interesting to kind of see this process come together and put together tracks and to
you know, kind of refine a new skill, so to speak. And I'm, I'm enjoying the hell out of it. So,
um, hopefully within the next week or so, I'll have this thing wrapped up and, uh,
we're going to figure out how to actually put it up on audio.

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I have to figure out how to, uh, to put this thing all together so that it makes sense. And
you guys can click through chapters and all that kind of stuff and buy it through, um, you know,
whatever way you like to digest audio books.
So it's a,
it's,
it's going to be good.
Um,
let's see Bitcoin.
Alaska.
I should definitely pull this up before we go.

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Boy,
if I could see.
Oh,
it just as an Easter egg while everybody's doing that,
that image of the cover.
Um,
for those of you who don't know the,
what the Bitcoin B was transposed over,
um,
is the gates of paradise.
So I,
I tried to include some symbolism in the very simple book cover.
so wait a second tell me that again say so when you're when you're looking at like the cover itself

(01:30:23):
there's uh there's a it's i like that it's a lot harder to see on the physical cover you can see it
in the image of the of the amazon page but there's a bitcoin b over the shoulder of the um it's a big
giant bitcoin b over like um behind the statue of david oh and the image that it's overlaying is the

(01:30:43):
the actual physical gates of paradise monument.
I did not know that.
Tell me about the gates of paradise monument.
That's like,
it's just the gates of paradise.
So I wanted,
I wanted something that was like a little like symbolic to like the whole
second Renaissance thing.
It's like,
we're going to fight big Goliath as David with the Bitcoin,
like the Bitcoin asset.

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And then behind Bitcoin through Bitcoin is like the gates to paradise.
Awesome.
I love it,
man.
I mean,
there's,
there's,
I mean,
the eye of the creator,
There's so many little things and Easter eggs and all that kind of fun stuff that gets baked in.
Like, great.
Let me let me plug these guys.
BitcoinAlaska.org.
This is a Bitcoin veterans.

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This is the first Bitcoin veterans conference.
Shout out to our guy, Wade, who's been just tirelessly putting the work into not only putting this together,
but getting speakers and people to come up here, the lodging, the info, the side events,
and everything else that he's done, man, just a huge, huge effort. If you have the time and the

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opportunity to get up to Juneau, this is going to be July 1st through the 6th. Everything that you
need is on the website. It's BitcoinAlaska.org. And I guarantee you, you're probably going to meet
friends and have the time of your life. I mean, look at all these people that are going to be
there. Dom Bay lease is going to be there. Um, it looks like Rustin. I got to talk to Rustin a lot
during the, uh, the conference, which is always good to catch up with. Um, some of our other

(01:32:15):
Bitcoin veterans and man, just, just a phenomenal group of people are going to be there. Um, all
star cast. You got a whale passes only $800. I know, uh, and mountain pass for 150 bucks. So
easy thing lots of people are coming up with um their families so if you have a family you want
to bring them up bring them up uh it's going to be i think just a fantastic event and i'm i'm

(01:32:40):
absolutely i don't know sad that i'm going to have to miss it i've got a i've got a birthday
in the family during that time and that's my son turning 14 so yeah and i'm going to be dadding so
I really, I'm looking forward to being a part of the one next year.

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Because I really feel like, I'm really bad at expressing emotions, but I really do feel very, very bad that I cannot be in Juneau for this event for Wade.
Because A, I want to go to Alaska. I've never been to Alaska.
Same.
I've heard Alaska is fantastic during the summer and I would like to find out myself.

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But then also just the fact of going to Alaska because I like doing things that most people haven't done and being able to show up for a Bitcoin veteran who's like the quality of the website should tell you what you can expect for the quality of the conference itself because that website is immaculate.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, dude, I –

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I feel so bad that I can't be there.
We should tell you, if you have the opportunity, go.
Bitcoin Alaska, it's Judo, Alaska, July 1st through the 6th.
And it's going to be something special.
But I guess, man, we're going to be back.
I'm not traveling for the next couple of weeks.
So if you got time to do this again, hopefully same bat channel, same bat time, 7 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday.

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And I'm looking forward to it.
there's so much going on in the world and so much to catch up on.
And,
you know,
whether it's talking about being dads or whatever else we're going to get
into,
I'm,
I'm excited.
Yeah.
I'm,
I'm looking forward to next week,
man.
This is a lot of fun.
And like the fact that we haven't been able to do it for a couple of weeks
is like,
it,
it felt like a,
too long.
And it felt like a couple of months.

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Yeah.
We,
we need this.
It's cathartic.
All right,
brother.
Well,
I will catch you guys next time.
This is Bitcoin veterans.
Go check it out.
Bitcoin veterans.org.
get into the Signal group chats.
We are here to help.
It's absolutely free.
There amazing people here It doesn matter if you a veteran We will bring you in and get you started on your Bitcoin journey Or if you have a passion within Bitcoin or want to do something that you

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passionate about in Bitcoin, this is a group that's already taking action and they have all the
heart and resources and skills to go out there and do it. So until next time, guys, we'll see you
next week. Peace.
Thank you.

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We'll see you next time.