Hump Day Hangout Ep. 252

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Episode Transcript

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Thank you.

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Good morning.
We're figuring stuff out here.
Welcome to the Wednesday edition of Bitcoin Veterans.
We've got a couple of hosts.

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I'll be one of them.
We got Captain.
We got some people coming up.
But good to have you here
Bob is having
Some time off
Some much needed R&R
And so we're going to
Just have a good show today

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I think
Captain's still coming up
I'm on you Texas
Just switching over from the
BV1 to
Co-host here
Thank you Texas
General ground rules
demonstrate coins, no violence, and come up, volunteer to speak.
There's not a specific structure today,
but we'll definitely try to see where the conversation takes us.

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Good morning, Pubby.
How are you doing this morning?
Oh, good, man.
Yeah, Bob, enjoy a day off there.
And, yeah, we'll see where it goes.
Happy hump day, everybody.
And, yeah, looking forward to this.
No real topic, it looks like.
So I guess anything's game.
But hey, good interviews.
Yeah, man.
Let's do it.

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Neil, how you doing, bud?
I'm doing quite well, quite well.
Since I have to be productive, I'm already just like slamming coffee.
So we're a little bit more wired than most days.
Let's go.
BFB, good morning.

(02:24):
Good morning, Tech's Toast.
All right, well, we can roll right through.
Actually, some things that I wanted to, just like topical news stuff, kind of roll through

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the dib that we get that Bitcoin Veterans puts out every morning, the daily intelligence
bolts and kind of has some good, uh, some good points to it talks. We got a 50% tariff on India
kicks in. They got heavy rainfall. We got drone debris sparking a roof fire. I've been interested

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about that because I'm like, why don't they just, instead of these little, um, you know,
bombs that they're dropping with these drones, why don't you just set everything on fire with them?
Um, I've been curious about that. Why they don't just burn everything. Um, but yeah, a lot going on. Uh, Ukraine is still going on. Gaza. Did you see the hospital, um, double tap? That was pretty interesting. Little, little hit job there. Um, and then Netanyahu making the rounds on, uh, on some more American podcasts. So that's pretty cool.

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I don't know. Anything you want to hit, Captain?
Recent news, no, but I have a few topics.
Bigger picture, one of the touch on, see what people can share, like sovereign individual thesis, demonetization of real estate, and perhaps health care and fiat food.

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I have a quick story here for you guys.
You gave me an idea there
So yeah the drones
Yeah that's an interesting thing
On what they can do
Especially when we're talking about forest fires
And sometimes it gets out of control
And you're taking civilian lives
Not that it matters
But back in Vietnam
There's a guy
They were taking ideas from everywhere in the country

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And the civilian sent in this idea
He understood in Japan
You know all the homes there
Basically made of wood
Wood and rice paper
But they literally ran this through all the technical abilities and were training it.
They were going to train bats.
They were going to strap the bats with incinerator devices and release them all over Japan.

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And what they were going to do was they would go up underneath the eaves of the buildings,
and they would just light them on fire and cause, like, just mass wildfires throughout the cities.
This is a legit thing they were thinking of doing.
Google it.
Don't trust Verify, as we say.
Yeah, if I remember it right, I think the firebombing of Tokyo killed more people than the atomic bomb, if I remember.

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That's correct.
Just because the whole thing went up, yeah.
I think Dresden, too.
I mean, in Germany, it's a misnomer that nuclear bombs killed relatively a lot of people.
Good morning.
What an uplifting topic we find ourselves discussing.
Yeah, the sun's shining today.
It's still a beautiful day.

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I'm happy to be here, but it's sad to always reflect on the tragedies and the atrocities of the past and current times.
But we have this bright orange future.
Neil's got his hand up.
What say you?
Yeah, you just struck me.

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You're talking about that sovereign individual thesis.
I didn't quite know what you meant by that, but it's been something that I've been thinking about, honestly, for this like past week.
This like, you know, we have this concept of like the boating accident and that ethos is antithetical to like the come and take it ethos.
And like they're both they're both true.

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They're both pointing at something true.
And I'm just I've been trying to wrestle in my mind, like which one of those rhetorical catchphrases is the more sovereign?
like you know because like the boating accident is this kind of like almost passive you know like
oh can't touch me like i'm sovereign do to do to do and the other one is the more in your face like

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fuck you you know like you can't touch me uh and like when we think about ourselves as like an
individual and that relation to society civilization uh i mean like i don't know like it's
i'm really torn on on which one i think is like actually embodies sovereignty better those are

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two types of different sovereignties in different scenarios and you can live in both
in today's world right there's a very interesting podcast i listened to recently called unbounded
now this guy goes by the handle colonial we talked about nims and being anonymous in the digital realm
and what that means for sovereignty, right?
Because sovereignty is control.
It is the ability to create the exception.

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And so we have the ability now with cryptographic keys
and Bitcoin and other freedom tech
to be sovereign in the digital world.
And when the digital and the physical bleed over,
that's where the problems occur, right?
So those two points that you pointed to,
one is purely in the digital realm,
but the boating accident,

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like how does anybody know
that you have Bitcoin in the first place, right?
How does your adversary know you have Bitcoin
in the first place?
And that is something that the KYC,
the illicit activity of KYC
and building giant databases of asset ownership
and tools for surveillance and control is a risk.
It is a threat vector that everyone in this ecosystem lives in.

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And if you look at it from, you know, military lens, right?
You know, the art of war, right?
Deception is like inherent. So the ability to selectively reveal yourself, which is privacy, right? Privacy is the ability to selectively reveal yourself is a threat vector and is an aspect of warfare that I think we as veterans can all reflect on and sort of like understand intuitively, right?

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You can't shoot at an adversary you don't see or you don't know where they're at, right?
So in the same way, like the boating accident is one thing where it's more of the physical, like, yeah, fuck you, come and find my keys because I'm telling you that I lost them, right?
They can still come to your house, knock on your door, find your 12 words or whatever coerce you in the physical realm.
They have to know you have the Bitcoin first, right?

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And that's the threat vector that is the KYC system that is engulfing Bitcoin.
But the opposite side of that is you can go buy in cash a phone, device, whatever, using public internet to set it up or set it up all offline.
And with diligence, with discipline and rigor, which, again, military veterans are very familiar with, in general, just like OPSEC, et cetera, you can be anonymous and have sovereignty over your digital life by leveraging the tools that are FreedomTech, Bitcoin, Noster, all the open source tooling out there available to the individual today.

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to assert their sovereignty over their digital space.
Thank you. Thank you, Manny Coblin.
Going to steal you some good quotes in there.
Going to steal a couple. Like, privacy is selectively revealing yourself.
Thank you. Two really good books.

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Before we jump, we've got a couple people who are
Neil, were you talking about
when you ask Sovereign Individual, are you familiar with the book, Sovereign Individual?
No, I haven't read that book.
Okay. Quick rundown. Written in 1997, same year as the fourth turning book.

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These guys laid out, they termed the coin cyber currency or cryptocurrency back in 1997.
And they envisioned with the dawn of the internet, we would have an internet-based money that is
outside of the apparatus of the state and that people would be working online.
It would be easier to move from country to country.
And that relationship would change from the industrial age where we're kind of like employees

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or almost citizens of the state to we're customers.
We still need protection.
We still need that monopoly of violence in some manner.
But at agrarian age, then industrial age, about 15th century, and then information age
transitioning at the dawn of the 21st century.
And they made a lot of crazy predictions that, you know, here we are 30 years later that have started to manifest.

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I think we got a couple of hands up. Pablo?
No, BFP was up first, man. Go BFP.
Yeah, I was just actually going to talk about that book.
That book is excellent and it does predict like COVID and Bitcoin in an esoteric way.
But another book that dovetails very nicely with that and the nims that Mining Goblin was talking about is called True Names by Werner Binge.

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And that's a great, fun read because it's kind of where virtual reality came from.
And I got that tip to read that book from Laser.
Laser Hopple, I think.
I think he's only on Nostra nowadays.
Correct.
I still don't know who that guy.
I don't even know who Laser is.
I just know him by his nymph.

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And that's,
he's a good example of the mining goblins,
nymphs and how we are moving into this digital universe.
So I was just throwing that out there,
but that book sovereign individual is fantastic.
Yes,
it is.
Pablo.

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Hey,
yeah.
So yeah,
I like the attack vector things and you always got to be thinking of this
and where we're going.
I don't know if you guys,
This is probably about six months ago, maybe a year.
There's a gentleman who was going through, I don't know if it was a divorce or breakup of his business,
but they knew because he had Bitcoin that had been on an exchange that he had obviously purchased some Bitcoin.

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But before the trial and assets, he sent it to different wallets.
So he put it out in cold storage.
But here's the interesting thing.
And look, well over 90% of people, most of their Bitcoin is KYC.
But the court came back
And they were fining him for every day
So the whole thing of
You know what, boating accident

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You know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge
They were fining him anyway
They were saying, well, you better fined it
If not, these are still your fines
And I don't know if anyone ever saw the outcome of that
And this wasn't insubstantial
It was like five grand a day
That they were fining this guy
Because he had taken his Bitcoin from an exchange
And they had absolutely no recourse

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to find it.
So,
you know,
those are the attack vectors of things like that.
Unrealized gains.
Wait until that one comes out.
Yeah.
We noticed you've held Bitcoin for two havings and you've had these gains
or taxing you on it.
There's a lot,
man,
still to come down,
down the pipe here for us.
So just want to throw that out there.

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Render unto Caesar.
And render unto God.
Amen.
Thanks,
Pablo.
Winch.
Or Neil? Hands up.
Yeah, I had mine up.
What Pubby said, basically, think of all the judgments that are released on people that are insolvent.

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I mean, you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
So if a guy has Bitcoin and that's his only asset and he's bankrupt and you can't get it from him, I mean, that's the thing.
They can issue as many judgments as they want or fines or whatever you want to call it.
If he doesn't want to give you his Bitcoin, he can say he donated it to the YMCA for all you know or the Bitcoin veterans.

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So that's the problem.
It kind of makes all these judges in courts a little bit more feeble or non-relevant.
all the money in the world makes you,
when you have a bunch of money,

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it makes you easy to attack because they hold you hostage to it.
That classic honeypot phenomenon.
It's like,
like I'm near Washington,
DC,
right?
It's the classic,
it's a parasitic culture,
whether you're,
you know,
military government employee contractor,

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most of the wealthy zip codes in the country are in Northern Virginia.
And why is that? And it's effective ROI to lobby here, to seek here, because all the concentration of wealth being harvested and sucked into the center of gravity we call Washington, D.C. or the swamp.
yeah you think about it the richest people in the world need the protection of government

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to protect their wealth you know poor people don't need protection nobody goes after them all they can
do is take their life and enslave them and you know basic stuff they're not as
they don need them the wealthy keep the government alive Well that an interesting on that note there an interesting dynamic too There a lot more community though in the lower class of the financial

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Like the poor people have a lot more stronger community because that's where you get your security from.
Your neighbor falls down or their house burns down, and they got less or maybe just a little more than you.
You go help them out.
And then conversely, at the other end of the spectrum, you have money and then resources to expend for other people that are not necessarily in your direct community to – you sort of outsource those aspects to it.

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Yeah, you're talking about social capital.
I would argue that social capital is the most sovereign of all wealth.
It's what makes you rich.
Well, you can see the outcomes.
It's like with the rich people, if they don't have that, you know, I've been around rich people, I've been around poor people.

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And I've seen that the rich people without that, any sort of, they try to outsource that social capital too much.
And it's going to fuck up your kids.
It's going to fuck up their mental health.
They're not going to be able to relate to people properly.
You know, that's where it becomes disjointed.
And so I think even the rich are, you know, the old rich kind of realize that and then they create these insular communities amongst themselves.

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But there's kind of an in between where you think you can outsource it and you go too far and then it doesn't work out.
it's a reflection on on empires as well how you know that that whole history of
working your ass off um you know plowing plowing the dirt you're building and growing and you build

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something and you reach that point and someone you know builds a company and like you're saying
the children uh that they get raised up with this with all these nice things and what do they say
by the third generation, everything is gone because they've just had everything handed to them.
And by the time your grandchildren come along, that's it.
They don't have to build anything anymore.

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I think that's probably one of the hardest things it may be for Bitcoiners is you're teaching your children
that the currency is being debased, the value of this, the value of that is they won't have to care, really.
They won't have to care about money or being taken care of.
they will have that, but it's keeping them motivated to understand how quickly it can be gone

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and how to focus them on things that will, I don't know, give them fulfillment,
help their family grow and just appreciate it.
That's the big thing is appreciating this value that you didn't necessarily create at the time,
but you better take care of it.

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Yeah, it teaches them responsibility.
What's the old Saudi quote?
My father rode a camel.
I drive a Rolls-Royce.
My son flies a jet airplane.
His son will ride a camel.
Except on steroids.

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Hey, Winch, I found your quote.
You were talking about Sovereign Individual book.
And again, 1997, predicting.
So here's what it said.
About biological risk and border control, they said in 1997, for this reason, it is to be expected that one or more nation states will undertake covert action to subvert the appeal of transience.

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Travel could be effectively discouraged by biological warfare, such as the outbreak of a deadly epidemic.
This could not only discourage the desire to travel, it could also give jurisdictions throughout the globe an excuse to seal their borders and limit immigration.
1997, man.
tyranny of place that's exactly you know for us to have to check all these boxes to move about this

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world is just ridiculous like these are other men and women that are holding us in the place
you know we we can't move around and that's a form of control just like the currency is form
of control the tyranny of place with covid that's what they really wanted is control of

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your movement and they had it for a while until people woke up.
Good point. Excellent point.
Texas.
We've got a few new speakers up, AC and Rico.
Good morning, fellas. Y'all got anything to add?

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Bonjour. Good morning. Yeah. I mean, I always think of your nation.
It's kind of like a concentration camp for your, for your person.
I've lived in five nations now and it always changes.
I mean, being an outsider, just kind of like looking in and have this edge about you.
You're not really trusting.
And so I get a lot of slack because I live in France, but I push heavily back on the American mindset.

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And it's not to be personal, but I notice people get very triggered when I say things.
And it's like your concentration camp is the nation.
Like you're identifying, you're protecting them by like, I mean,
it's like a lot of the Germans left during Weimar because of what they were
dealing with. So I, I'm not anti-American.
I'm just saying your, your,
your concentration camp is the nation that you live in tyranny of it's the

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Chinese. No, they get it. But yeah,
I just think we're at a, like a fluctuation point right now.
inflection point
yeah in my mind it's like you know america is the the frontier where you can push those
boundaries like you know places like europe and france in particular um are america but worse

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in many ways uh and kind of what you're talking about so i think that's where probably where you
get the most pushback is people are like what what the fuck you talking about dude you're in france
I mean, I get criticizing, you know, the the tyranny we face in America.
But in comparison, it's it's much less.

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But that can also lull people to sleep on on getting to the important issues and kind of pushing back on and exerting your freedoms.
Because if you don't, then that's where, you know, government will creep in and and limit you or press you into a corner.
I think the American empire holds it all in place, and all these other European countries are, you know, they don't have any close to a match of our military.

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So America is just so much more spread out, so it's hard to, you know, keep these checkpoints.
There's not, and the states are all interlinked, so you can just move about the country.
Like it's a huge camp.
So it's not a, you don't feel like you're at all locked in,

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but as soon as you move outside the country, oh, what are you doing?
You got any stuff with you we can steal?
Yeah, I say that.
It always, it always goes back and forth between, you know,
cause I'm a nationalist.
Like I believe in nations and borders and like, you know,

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people being able to build whatever country they want.
But, you know, in Bitcoin, we have this decentralized mindset.
And in my mind, it's like you can you can see in how America progressed, what it what it started as,
all the different even between the the articles of confederation, the Civil War, you know, Lincoln unifying it.

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And then you have all these processes like we've seen all of world history.
There are a lot of political history just in America.
And you can kind of see the decentral how it was decentralized and how it has slowly crept towards a centralized entity.
And and so now we're at the point where like, OK, this is this is probably centralized enough in a lot of ways.

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How do we get away from that?
And so I think us here, we see Bitcoin as a vehicle for that.
At least to kind of, you know, break some chains of power in the in the in the economic sense.
And now it's like, OK, now how do we progress that into a into a kind of a political movement?

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Because just life is political to try to shy away from that, I think, is is like an anarchist.
You know, that's that's their folly.
It's like they this libertarian mindset of of live and let live and just like, you know, let people do whatever they want and not get extremely political.

(25:28):
It's like I think you can fall into a trap.
But as we all gain power, it's like you're going to want to express that that economic power that you now hold in in reflecting, you know, your values in the community.
And you do that through politics and through lobbying.
And it's like all these things are kind of dirty words, but it's almost like they're necessary and I don't know how to get around it.

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It's an interesting point, Texas.
I'm sure we all know Average Gary here.
We're at the Winchester Shenandoah meetup in Virginia.
The way he mentioned, he goes, you know, Kyle, I used to be really libertarian in a sense, like, no left, no right.
Just leave it alone.
Ignore it.
But the problem is you may not be interested in politics.
Politics is interested in you.

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just like war. And perhaps it's focusing on local politics, as the famous Tip O'Neill said,
all politics is local, your local school board or your county commissioner or sheriff, mayor,
but that we are social animals. And especially get past that Dunbar number of 150 people,
a military company, 150, give or take. We have to play these games to keep the peace and also

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promote productivity and prosperity. Neil, I see your hand. Go ahead, brother.
Yeah, I was just going to say, like, you know, kind of bringing like the from the bottom up
philosophy, you know, just like it's really important to remember, like, you know, this
human being, you know, like is a composite of the individual and the collective. Like it's a both.

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And it's important, like there's no, the collective has primacy, just meaning like the individual comes from the collective.
So the collective is there first and that's what springs forth and even enables the individual to be.
So it's like, you know, how we mediate those relations, I mean, that's what society is.

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So baked into our being, you know, we have non-voluntary relations with other people that we didn't choose.
Like I didn't choose to exist with all of you.
But like we share this earth, we share this moment together non-voluntarily.
And each of us is, you know, we have there's an asymmetrical power dynamic between us.

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Like these things are just baked into the cake and we have to we're trying to mediate them.
We're trying to overcome those obstacles.
So it was like the way we connect socially, you know, it's either through persuasion or coercion.
Like those are the two ways that it forks.
And it's like, you know, when we're talking about a concentration camp society, like we're talking about bad state.

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It's like, yeah, because people are using coercion.
They're using force against others, not getting consent, not, you know, they're not dignifying the other individuals.
as human beings. So it's like, yeah, you're going to have a lot of problems. And, you know,
the thing that brings me a lot of hope is that, you know, when you follow the logic between

(28:43):
coercion and persuasion, I mean, that's what really creates the win-lose scenarios or the
win-win scenarios, cooperation versus extraction. And in terms of productivity,
cooperation has an asymmetrical advantage to extraction like you know like this is why open
source stuff you know will always out compete the closed source system it's like when you have to

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exert energy to close it off and protect it or whatever like like you just can't compete with
the open so it's just like that's why throughout history even though it seems that like oh yes
coercion and you know this force it always looks like the huge goliath that's going to win
And it's like people will always like cooperation and abundance, like that will always prevail in principle.

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You know, I mean, I guess if the coercion smashes it and like civilization is just toast and zero, you know, if you turn civilization off, then, yeah, there's gets game over.
But I think as long as there's people and we're playing this game of civilization, I think cooperation always wins out in the end.
And I don't know. That's what that's why I keep fighting and keep pushing forward, because it's like I'm going to push this edge so I can pass on hopefully not a camel to my children.

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I don't know. I'm somewhat of a civilization five player myself.
And usually I conquer the world by centralization and control and cooperation.
You know, I might get really rich, but if I want to control a bunch of territory, I have to smash a bunch of stuff and make hard rules.

(30:27):
Cultural influence maximalists, dude.
You want your music, your culture, your poems, your architecture, everything about your civilization there to be so awesome that everyone else uprises against their civilization to convert to yours.
That's the cultural victory in Civ V.
Anyway, let's not tant it too far.
Yeah, I prefer to go the religious route and subvert them from the inside that way.

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I mean, are those two mutually exclusive?
Oh, man.
All right, Pubby doesn't know what we're talking about because he's too old to play video games, but I see his hand up.
Go ahead.
No, I think Rico was first.
Go ahead, Rico.
Yeah, no, that's hilarious.
I didn't get that either, but I agree with what Neil was talking about.

(31:13):
this coalition
versus
like voluntary or
like
control versus like
participation. And I like that with
Bitcoin because you see that right now
like all these large institutions trying to get
in and the whales can do
as they kind of wish and just sit here

(31:34):
and distribute. Not really
so much that but like this idea that
we're growing a new system because
the control has reached its limit.
The walls people are trying to
step out of the walls of control and society is used as a weapon against those who are individuals
who are going against this change the anarchy i guess i'll say that i like bitcoin because it

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allows creativity to reach these natural rights that we want whether it's movement speech
transaction privacy like these are things that we have reached the pinnacle of getting those taken
away from us extracted from us unless we volunteer to be a part of it and that it used against us So I just I like the fact that it it i think we in a very on a same flexion point earlier i was talking about for creative minds creativity which is like that is how you gamify for a change like if we we

(32:29):
at the end of this old game then and it's still in control people are already building the new
system the new game and they're already participating in that and leaving this old system that they're
They don't want to be extracted from their time and stuff like that.
I love you all.
I have to drop the second renaissance by Bitcoin Veterans,

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very own Mike Hobart talks all about that.
And I think you're right, Rico.
But I love you all.
Have an above average day.
Yeah, Mike's good.
Yeah.
Hey, I do remember when Pong was released in the mid 70s there.
And I was like five years old, maybe an Atari, all those original games.
And at the time, what do we have now?

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I always love the term panopticon, the digital panopticon that we are in, man.
And I'm looking through here, even just my journey, what brought me here eight years ago was, you notice that the base currency coming in.
You like this thing, wow, censorship resistance, you control keys.
what I didn't realize from eight years ago was how much things were going to change on the other

(33:38):
fronts, the tyrannical overreach, the controls. And when you look at it, you come in here, just
come from number, go up. The rabbit holes you go down now because you finally realize, well,
what the hell is it good having this Bitcoin if everything else is so controlled that there are
no sovereign individuals, sovereign areas to go to? I see Jimmy down there, shout out to him as a

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listener, you know, he does his Citadel, Sovereign Citadel on Sundays.
I didn't realize at the time how much how important that would be and must coexist and go hand in hand with Bitcoin.
You know, what's the use of this Bitcoin when supply chains are just broken down?
And it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter if you can reach out to your farmer.

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Well, what's the use when they got roads shut down? There's no trucking.
So when you're here, you're going to hear about this more, this sovereign thing.
And it's a nice rabbit hole to go down, man.
It keeps you thinking.
It keeps you questioning, questioning the leaders and why they do what they do.
Everything that we talk about from the World Economic Forum, IMF, the slavery, they keep certain countries.

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And look, we're in a prison here in the U.S. just like you, except we just got a nicer, bigger prison.
That's all.
Okay.
I know a lot of you guys have talked to exactly where you are.
Shout out to my Britcoiner friends.
I know you guys are going through some hell right now.
But this is what Bitcoin is.
This Bitcoin experience is more than just money.
The money, yeah, that may draw your eye to it.

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Of course it will.
But once you get in here and you open your eyes and you have to question everything that you were raised on, you know, this freedom.
Like, what do you mean you have to take your shoes?
I'm looking at my grandparents and I would shake their head.
You got to take your shoes off to go through security.
You can't just walk to your plane.
all these things that slowly
have just been taken away from us

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that you just don't realize this generation
is waking up and they're swimming in it
and you have this older generation that
it's hard to fathom
saying there's no way it would ever get like that
there's no way
yet here we are thankfully we have
the spaces like this where people
come in from Bitcoin and
everyone's got a different rabbit hole they'd like to go down

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and hopefully you're here
listening you'll find one or two
And us are great people on stage. And anyone, for that matter, anyone that's listening that you see, they're here for a reason.
OK, I can crash the plane there.
Well, this this something that I thought of this morning, this kind of a tangent.
But, you know, as I saw Elon, more starships exploding and kind of thinking about how Elon Musk talks about how his, you know, his whole idea of getting off planet and becoming a multi-planetary species is to become anti-fragile.

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And while he can do that for space and that I think that's true, but it's like the same thing is happening here, whereas our as these systems have become centralized and more controlled, they also be the whole thing becomes more and more fragile.
And so you have this decentralized effect that you have with Bitcoin and starting these smaller, more insular communities.

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It actually makes the whole system and society more anti-fragile and allows for natural disasters and economic collapse or any of these other things.
It's like it softens the there's like a landing there.

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If things are decentralized enough and there's enough power distributed through the through the society, then then we become a lot more anti-fragile as well.
So I see that as like, you know, something that Elon should be able to understand.
And you would think that he would be pushing for that along with his kind of expansionist decentralization to Mars and the moon and all that.

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I think that I would disagree that Elon Musk really wants it to succeed on a short term basis because he's got a lot.
He's got a lot of gravitas.
You know, it's got a heavy grip right now.
But maybe, maybe in the long run.
I would say that Bitcoin is the, it allows, it's the new rails.
It's like the underground railroad.
And those who are in it are building the future banks and the, you know, the electric companies of the future,

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these mining facilities and the data centers will probably be leveraged as well for governments and whatever.
Who knows what's going to happen in the future with that section.
But I would just say that they're already getting, I mean, anybody building on Bitcoin
are using it and onboarding people, we are already building the new world.

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I mean, we're done with it.
For me, it was a call to arms when I was living in Paris during the Gilles Jeune, and that
was 2017.
That was a heavy year for me in France.
And we have a lot of revolutions here and a lot of different uprises here in France.
If they give me anything to argue or fight about or just not go to work, they will.

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And so Bitcoin is that.
They're just saying that we want our rights back.
We want to have what we want.
And we may not agree on everything and which nation is the best, but we can agree on certain things that Bitcoin protects and adheres to.
And there are consensus that we need to reach to.
And so it forces people to have to get over their personal selves for the greater good.

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And I think that's what we need.
I don't have faith in a lot of the big billionaires, but I do have faith in the creative pleb that's working something in the garage.
If everybody's doing that, it's like you were saying, it's like just the mass trying to...

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Yeah, sorry, I'll limit there. I kind of lost my thought.
But just in general, I think that this is where we're going.
we have to build it up because the top down is literally to just keep everything the way it is
excellent point
jay okay i've been short some ways talking good morning how you guys doing thanks for the shout

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out bubby um yeah i do believe that you know your supply chain is really important these days
anywhere you live because I think there could be disruptions and major distribution.
And if you think about it, why is Bitcoin successful?
Because of decentralization.
It's why Nostra is successful.
It's what nature does.
So we're just copying nature.
And I seriously believe, you know, listening to Elon Musk, he talks about we need to be

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able to get off this planet because we're destroying it.
I don't believe that.
I believe we're destroying our habitat.
I don't believe we can destroy the planet as easy as we think.
It can go through transformations that we can't survive.
It can survive.
We can't.
And it's really stupid.
And the fact is we could live much more intelligently on this planet and not be damaging it.
And it's a biology.

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It's an incredible thing when you start studying it hard.
Everything's connected.
Everything helps one another.
It's like we have waste that we don't need.
We're idiots the way we live on this planet.
And if we just get smarter about how we do it, I believe we could have larger populations, much healthier people.
They're just trying to feed people.
They don't care about nutrition.
So what do you do?
You have the population of a bunch of zombie slugs out there.

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It's ridiculous.
You want nutritious, healthy people.
And, yeah, we haven't been demanding that.
So that's why you vote with your money.
Get out of the distribution centers.
Leave the big box stores.
Leave the big box processed foods.
Buy local.
Support farmers and ranchers because they'll support you when the distribution centers close.
And, you know, you'll still be able to get your food.

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So, anyway, these are my thoughts about it.
And, yeah, it's a bad time.
In a sense, it's going to be rough.
It's also a great opportunity to change the way we live.
So it's a crisis that creates opportunity.
You know, that's pretty much take it and run with it, be positive or let it eat you up.
Yeah, it's wild.
I have like.

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And spent most of my time in Texas.
And when I go back to the heartland, you know, I just see miles and miles of soy of just like all this soy.
It just makes me disheartened.
I'm like, this is all just crap.

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You know, especially when you think about how like in those same areas, bison, you know, used to by the millions,
used to roam around and uh and we that's like such a more nutritious food and kind of way to
to feed people i get it i get it it's inefficient in some ways but um to see the like the the food

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production that's uh that's not nutritious and doesn't really provide the things that we need
um specifically with soy um is is disheartening but it also you just see how fertile
the ground is. And it's like we, and so I get disheartened by that, but then I'm like,

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we can build whatever we want and the land is cheap. And, uh, if you're industrious, I think
like we can still terraform the planet is, is kind of the way I still look at it. It's like,
it's, it's ripe for, uh, building whatever society you want and you can create it as,
as healthy as, as healthy as possible. And we know so little of the oceans.

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we know so little of this planet in reality and what we can do and where energy comes from and
how to create energy i guarantee you we haven't even tapped into it it blows my mind that they
want to go and i love outer space exploration but why not more knowing what's going on in the oceans
we have things that live on you know we were told that we're carbon life forms when we were kids i
was educated there's no other life form it's all carbon that's not true they're sulfur based animals

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too they find them at the bottom of the ocean at these heated vents where the water's super hot
and it's like what else is there we have no fucking clue we have so much to learn
yeah where's the bitcoin or billionaire that's gonna create a new ocean gate not not use carbon
fiber because dumbass it's something jimmy was talking about there with the supply chain and

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it's not when the supply chain um is gone even when it works uh you'll notice uh when they bring
in something like covid well all of a sudden you've got to you've got to cut your shift into
thirds because of the spacing.
So when you had, we'll say you had 60 people on shift that was processing poultry, well

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now they can only do 20 at a time.
So what does that do?
Yeah, less product going out the door.
Less product going out the door.
Yeah, guess what?
Prices go up and you get priced out of it.
The thing with the heartland like that is all the land being bought up, you know, someone
like a Bill Gates, whose Malthusian background and depopulation.
I'm not concerned so much about that

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or well I am about
foreign nations coming in
is not only the soy that he grows
at what point does he just say you know what
I'm not growing food here
and the artificial
famines and starvations they can generate
man that's the scary part
and this is the Bitcoin experience that comes
for you you know 10 years ago
I wouldn't have worried one bit

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about it now yeah that's the kind of stuff
that wakes me up man gets me reading
well it happens all the time too
because people can just buy crop insurance and then not grow anything.
And you're basically getting paid to not grow anything.
That happens all the time.
So, yeah, it's it's and that's where we get back to, like, the incentives are all perverse and messed up.
And that's why we're kind of in this new system is because it it has a base of of better incentives.

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And it kind of has, you know, especially in these when we get to these insular or circular economies,
you know, you're incentivized to create the healthiest food because you're giving it to your neighbor
and because you're probably going to get the best bang for your buck in the market for it.

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So it's like all these different things kind of come full circle when you get onto a Bitcoin standard
and pry yourself off of fiat, your whole incentive structure changes.
yeah i want to say something on that exactly because i think um bitcoin said something earlier
about like the market this is a hard time um but like this is a situation that's an opportunity

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maybe it was jimmy that you were saying that like i know that the market is like everybody is not
wanting to invest or even maybe start up their own thing but like at a very local local level
that it's not like something you're making money and business out of that's where you start with
your neighbors and treat like just doing things that are very like only you have that niche like

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this is this is a good time to like focus that bullish energy on like building something on a
very small term even if it's just like your first cycle and you're just getting into bitcoin and like
talking about it for that and like those who have been in a cycle or another one or two like to like
actually start to like build small things around yourself at a local level well like that'll that

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doesn't have to be anything you talk about it's just something that you're doing that is you
pushing you because if we're all just sitting here like worried that everything's gonna happen
like we're just this is time like that's it this this is the fruit of life it's just time and so
if like these conversations like jimmy you have some great conversations about what you're doing
and i kind of talked about what i'm doing as well i gotta can't talk about too much that's

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Europe's different. So, yeah, but, um, you know,
like you don't need to go big and like, like it's just,
the situation is at, it's red right now, but the opportunity is ripe.
So I mean, you just,
I think we need to organize a little bit more and just leverage that
creativity. Yeah.
Yeah. I have this idea of, uh, I go back, uh, to my wife's town and it's,

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It's a small town and I go and it's got a traditional town square with courthouse and everything.
It's a beautiful spot, but it's got these businesses around the square and they're always kind of changing over some kitschy shops.
And there's always like three or four financial institutions, people that are just, you know,

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managing or there's a whatever, Edward Jones, there's a, you know, all these different kinds
of people that are trying to help people with their money And so I kind of had this idea of just creating you know each small town having having if you wealthy enough and you don have to worry in Bitcoin terms about about stacking as much and kind of a way you can give back to some of these little communities

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It's nothing to buy rent in these places, in these small towns and get a building and just put up the Bitcoin office right next to Edward Jones and just kind of infiltrate and just sit in there.
and have people come and ask you questions and help them self-custody and integrate yourself into the, you know, the courthouse is right there.

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So you got the whole government coming in. You can talk to them at the coffee shop and they're going to ask you.
They're all it's a small town. They're all going to be curious about what is this one of those eBay stores?
That's what it seems like. You know, sell sell your stuff on eBay and they'll come in.
And I just have this idea that maybe that's a good move if I ever have enough time.

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But that's the big key is having enough time to do something like that.
But it seems like it'd be a good way to give back.
What do you think, Jimmy?
Yeah, no, and I wanted to tell you guys, as you struck up an idea with it, during COVID, I'm going to give you an example.
These Mexicans were, one of my friends, we were a party one night,
and he was talking about how he drives up, what he's doing.

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Because of COVID, he had to change jobs.
He got a job.
He was delivering in La Paz and coming back with an empty truck.
But he and his wife really wanted to get into farming or vegetables, fruits.
They're really into organic foods.
And I'm talking to him, and all of a sudden he hit me.
I says, guys, you know what we need?
We need to make a list of the things that you can get from these organic farmers
on the way back from La Paz.

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Convention the owner that you can fill up the truck on the way back.
and deliver that fruits and vegetables to people in Kabul.
And he says, who would buy it?
I says, oh, shit, the Gringles will order it from you.
You can have an online order.
They set up a system.
Within several months, they left the business, got their own truck,
and they now have two trucks.
They're killing it because they do a loop, and they drive around the entire Cape,

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and they collect fruits and vegetables, and they do it on subscription.
And you online order from the menu, which they put up currently, what is available,
because some things run out, and you order it, and they bring it to you,
and it's prepaid.
It's all set up.
These people are just ecstatic with the service, and it's growing.
And I believe this will happen everywhere.
See, these are niche businesses.
When you decentralize everything, you end up with a whole bunch of nodes, right?

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You end up with a whole bunch of businesses.
I've known mega farming and mega ranching was wrong when I was a kid because I worked in it,
and they destroyed the cotton farm my father had.
It had acres of salted land, land you cannot grow in anymore because of the chemicals.
I worked at a cattle ranch that was a good grass-fed, incredible cattle ranch,
learned how to ranch cattle the old school way, branding and roping and all. I loved it as a kid.

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And it was a good, healthy way. But that's not the way. When you go to a commercial cattle farm,
this is where they get disease. It's not healthy. Nature doesn't work this way.
So this is where I learned a long time ago. I called it, we need to distribute systems. And
when I learned the word decentralized, I realized, wow, that's the best word in the word because
centralization is the problem. See, when you centralize, you scale it up by centralizing it,

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Right now, you've got four major companies that run all the food in America.
Now, I give you an example, another example down here in Baja, and I think it's true in the States.
I've asked a few people.
I said, yeah, if you're buying from a ranch or farmer directly or in organic markets, the prices don't go up like they do in the stores.
I mean, I'm paying the same for my beef for the last four years, all the way through.

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And everybody's talking about inflation.
I'm like, what inflation?
Eggs and bacon, all the meat.
It's all the same price.
She hasn't upped the prices at all.
The ranchers and farmers don't need to.
They're because they have a direct.
They're not going through third parties, not going through people, distribution, trucking and all the bullshit that causes the price to go up.
You wouldn't believe how many people have hands on your food before it gets to that store.

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You think you're buying it.
Oh, it's just been in the warehouse, but all over the place.
That's not healthy food.
And so, you know, if you get direct, you're also going to find it may be a little more expensive.
I've had people say it was.
But since the price hasn't gone up and everything else has now, it's not.
You see, and it's because ranchers and farmers are generally pretty honest people.
They want to give you good value, and they're not trying to scam you.

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Everything in between is fiat games, and fiat is incentivized to make money for stockholders.
They don't give a fuck about people.
This is the problem with fiat.
It dehumanizes the customer.
It makes it so they don't matter.
They're just numbers.
And these people aren't evil.
They're doing what they're supposed to be doing is make a bunch of money for stockholders.
But what they'll do to get there is disgusting.

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And so this is where if you go to ranchers and farmers, they're honest people, you're going to get honest food.
It's just common sense.
And you get to know them.
They look you in the eye and they go, wow, I really have to charge a bit more or something.
But it's not easy for them to do that.
They know.
And you talk to a farmer who's in Oklahoma.
He has a subscription service.
He does deliver foods and vegetables to people.

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And he says, yeah, we don't jack prices.
We don't need to.
We're independent of that system.
Our pricing is based on what we produce and how we produce it.
And as the prices go up around, you're going to find that direct is going to be cheaper, I think, than you'll find in these damn stores where they're lying to us.
There's price for inflation, I have to say, because we sell a lot of vegetables and there's still price inflation.

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So it does go up a little bit, but you still, yeah, it's like you pay the same price for meat for the last seven years?
Last four years.
I've been buying from the same one the last four years.
Yeah, I was in COVID.
That's pretty good.
And two years before that, I was buying in Cabo during COVID,
and prices went up.
They didn't go up with my butcher either in Cabo.
And at one point they did because they said, you know what,

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we've been charging almost a wholesale price.
We didn't even realize.
We're barely – and I'm like, ooh.
But I was moving, so it didn't really matter.
The price went up some.
But, yeah, and I agree.
It can.
It has to do with trucking.
It has to do with production.
They might just really like you.
I think they probably really like you.
I buy all my meat from her.
I'm a carnivore.
I mean, I spend $800 a month with her, $600 a month with her.

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Yeah, yeah.
They probably don't charge you.
That's true.
They probably don't raise you because they're not signing up about the market.
You're getting it private.
No, no, no.
It's a price.
I see it in the market.
I see it in the store.
I mean, it's actually on the, you know, you see it in the case.
And now that she has a carniceria, but yeah, it's on a menu.
And yeah, everybody pays that price.
That's not it.
What she does do, though, on top of that is I'll say I need some bones for soup or I need some liver.

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No charge.
I mean, you know, four pounds of liver.
just take it for sure so i get a lot of that she gives me gifts all the time that's how she does it
but you know this is much cheaper than you guys pay but at the same time i've talked to people in
the states now it's not like you know la it's hard to do it in cities but in rural areas not
everywhere are these farmers jacking prices up but it's the boutique farmers the commercial but

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jimmy jimmy you could say that those certain nations it's not it's frowned upon to farm your
own food at your own home like you know well that's the advantage like i i was we have in
mexico we have hundreds of thousands if not millions of ranchers so it's not been centralized
it hasn't scaled up like that the companies that are scaled up are american companies that come in

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and use the land but export all the food and the mexicans don't like the tomatoes they grow here
mexicans won't even eat them they're disgusting and i go well yeah because they just picked them
and they're not any good for another month because they're for shipping and they go yeah but we've
held on to them for a month or two and they still don't right yeah yeah my point my point is that
i think that the law is overreaching natural law rights to grow plants i mean unless you're like

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selling these plants in the market and doing illegal things with the plants that's different
but like i think that growing vegetables specifically foods like if they're not drugs
if you're not like as like you're not growing like tobacco and and i think you should be allowed
to grow tobacco.
I'm saying that's a terrible example.
But there's certain,
like you wouldn't need to grow cocaine.

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No, but you should be allowed
to grow anything
when it comes to eating
fruits or vegetables.
I totally agree with you.
You know what I'm saying?
Listen to this.
I'm an American born.
I'm raised in America.
I know the laws
and I know what's happened
to gardening and all this bullshit, right?
Here in Mexico,
while we have cartels
and have all these problems,
we have a genius Supreme Court
in the sense that it does

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uphold your human right.
Marijuana, mushrooms, salvia,
the strongest psychoactive drug known to man are legal in Mexico to grow and use.
No plant according to the Supreme Court could be made illegal to be used by a human, period.
It's not their right to get in the middle.
Really?
Yeah.
Now, they have it.
It's not legal for me to grow it and sell it.
It's not legal for me to distribute it.

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It's only legal for a person.
Like, they came here and said, you're growing cannabis.
Yeah, but this amount, and this, oh, that's fine.
And with my hands, they look at me immediately.
Oh, you're using it for medicine.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's what it's for.
No, I don't think a lot of people know that.
Well, maybe I'm just ignorant, but I didn't know you could just grow anything.
Well, it just happened.
It just happened, well, maybe six years ago or somewhere.
But they made this ruling, and this is why they had to make marijuana.

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They decriminalized it, but they haven't really made it.
I can order it online.
You can buy it in stores and places and things, but it's still questionable because they don't really have cannabis centers.
But pharmacies now have all the cannabis gummies, all the cannabis oils, and pharmacies, you know, commercial brands are coming out in the pharmacies.
They just don't have, like, they have smoke shops, but they don't really have, what do they call them in the states, you know, pot stores.

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You know, they don't have that license.
Yeah, and the reason for this is, and this is what most people that grow it are like, well, no, we just want to be able to grow it.
We don't want it to be a business.
We don't want the cartel in it.
We just want to have our own medicine.
And they're okay with that, and they always have been, because Mexicans use cannabis and these things as medicine.
They didn't start out as drugs to everybody.
And so this is where the Supreme Court, and this is also, just so you know, Bitcoin cannot be made illegal in Mexico or any crypto, unfortunately, because two people say it's a currency.

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They got sued by some kids that created a currency long before Bitcoin got sued because it was so successful.
And the federal bank said, you can't do this.
It's a central bank here.
And so they sued them and they lost.
And the Supreme Court said, any two people say it's a currency, it's a currency.
Now, Mexico's fucked up.
There's no doubt because cartels own the politicians when Morena Party is cartel.

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It's a disaster.
But the richest guy there, Ricardo Salinas, didn't he just come out and say that he's like the most Bitcoin advocate in Mexico,
and he's like the multi-billion richest man in Mexico, I think.
Okay.
He's the third richest man in Mexico, seventh in the world, I think.
A favorite.
Listen, he owns Banco Azteca.

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He's the CEO of it.
He has come out repeatedly.
I have him on videos from two years ago telling the Mexican people do not open a bank account.
Buy Bitcoin.
He literally is saying this on videos on January 1st.
My gift to Mexicans is don't buy.
And he's don't even use banks.
And he is in a so into Bitcoin.
It's amazing.
On top of that, yesterday, what he was talking about, he just recently made the comments that he might run for president.

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He would be Mexico's Trump.
He would be somebody they can't buy.
And he knows the swamp inside and out.
He knows the banking.
He knows all this.
Let's list it lightly.
Unless goes Trump.
We don't know.
Trump's not really playing.
Oh, no.
You got to see it.
I don't want to digress.
Hey, Jimmy.
Jimmy, I don't want to digress, but I wanted to say what we're like, like tie that back in with Bitcoin.

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Like if you are going to try to build on Bitcoin, you do need to do it in a nation or you need to do it under a regime or whatever law.
I don't think there's certain things you should do with Bitcoin
because they're looking for that right now.
I think they were talking about all the IRS people that they just fired.
They're trying to hire back people as fast as they can.

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They want to have KYT, which is know your transaction.
If you are going to do things like whatever, like build on Bitcoin.
Code is one thing.
That's a whole other realm.
But if you're actually going to use it in the market, just if you're running nodes and stuff like that, make sure you have privacy, like understand it before you start running it.

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And like, you know, I'm not talking about mining.
I'm talking completely like using the network because it is expensive.
Like people don't realize like this isn't something you short.
This is a very long thing.
And you have to make connections with people and you have to educate people.
So like it's in yourself as well.
So I think that once you get there, I'm not talking to somebody who just got in the market or just came to Bitcoin.

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I'm talking about somebody who's been in the market and they're bored and they want to build on Bitcoin and like not build on Bitcoin and code because that's not my thing.
I'm just talking about network effect in your personal tiny community life.
You could be that Bitcoin whatever person, you know.
So I think the meetup thing you're talking about, the renting space is actually genius just to kind of get the question going.

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they're actually having an impromptu meetup and it keeps growing.
That'll be next weekend here in La Paz.
But yeah, it's just interesting to me that Salinas,
I don't trust any politicians.
I don't trust Trump.
I just plain don't trust them.
But at the same time, I think some of them will do the right thing
because they love being loved or they just, you know,
there's no reason not to in their minds.

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They finally, I think Trump is actually doing the right thing,
but I don't know.
We'll see how far it goes.
And the same with Salinas.
But the thing is, these billionaire businessmen run it like a business.
And to me, I think that's the way countries should be run.
And, you know, this waste is just absolutely insane.
And the U.S. government, it's absolutely criminal is what they've done.
And it's insane.
Now, what I've always joked about is Mexico and America are more similar than you realize.

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It's just that Mexicans knew their government was cartel.
They know their police are corrupt and they know their news is propaganda.
That's what they call it.
30 years ago, when I moved here, I said, yeah, same thing.
And people didn't believe me because they think America is so clean.
I'm like, no, it's not.
I've known this since I was a kid.
They're all corporations.
Well, it's worse than that.
I mean, the CIA in the 70s were stealing cocaine in its own country.

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Your own government was part of one branch.
One branch was trying to keep it out and one branch was trying to bring it in.
This is what's so insane.
They're taking money on both sides of every war.
They're making money on all this shit.
It's fiat gains.
It has nothing to do with your safety, your protection, America first, none of that.
Well, it's drug cartels.
Yeah, well, yeah, it's another way of doing, you know, corrupt business.

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And so I joke about Mexico or America's got cartels all over.
You've got a pharmaceutical cartel, a food cartel.
Look at everything's being controlled.
But the reality is, you know, just everybody around the world.
I don't know anywhere that you can say, oh, this is perfect.
There isn't, you know, so keep your eyes open.
Don't be a victim of wherever you live.
And I don't believe everybody in America is going to be necessarily in a civil war or huge problems.

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But I do believe that cities, because of the supply chain, are going to be the first problem in most.
And they just had problems in Puebla and people were saying, oh, that town is corrupt as hell.
It's the second biggest economy in Mexico.
I would not go there.
I know too many people that have escaped, Mexicans that have left because it's a huge theory.
I mean, trucking and tractors and giant equipment being stolen at gunpoint.

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It's insane what goes on.
It's the Wild Wild West.
And they don't ever put this shit in the news, by the way.
There's a lot that goes on.
But here in Baja, it's like different.
Of course not.
You know, it's like I live in Alaska, Mexico.
So it's like talk to people in Alaska.
They don't see what you guys see.
That's really, it's about being more rural.
And I don't mean everybody has to move, but yeah,

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if you really don't want to be a victim of life,
it being rural makes it easier.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
Get away from the fray.
All right.
Respect everybody's time.
I'm going to wrap it up here.
Thanks for joining Rico, Pub, Neil, Coleman, AC, Jimmy,
and Texas Toast had to step off.
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