Keep Calm Ep. 262

Join the Bitcoin Veterans as they break down the last 24 hours and the divide amongst Americans.

Episode Transcript

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Thank you.

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Now we can get going.
All right.
Well, I think maybe it's fitting that we don't do the opening, the normal opening.
Kind of a sad day.
But good morning, everybody.
We're here at it again.
Welcome in.
Welcome in.

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Thank you for spending your time with us.
And, yeah, it's going to be a little bit different feel today.
But welcome to Bitcoin Veterans Faces, number 262, where we try to talk about Bitcoin.
And I think we'll do some of that today.
My name is Bob Van Kirk. I'll be your host this morning.
We have Eric as our producer.

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Having a little technical difficulties today, but that is okay.
And looks like we also have Wade and Neil, BFP, Pubby,
and hopefully we'll hear from you as well.
See some of our constant listeners, and we thank you for that.

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If it's your first time, it'll feel a little bit different again, but that's okay.
We lost one of our own, and so we'll talk about that a little bit.
Other things going on, but to say a lot has happened in the last 24 hours is an understatement.
We'll get into all of it and try to keep it positive.

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But sometimes I do wonder, man, when I see the news and things going on,
I wonder if we are living in a simulation sometimes.
But let's take a look at the time chain because we do that every morning.
Today is Thursday, September 11th.
Another crazy day, 2025.

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And let's take a look at what stats we have.
We are Bitcoin block height number 914,239 with the Bitcoin price right at, keeps moving, 114,375 on my screen, which means you can still pick up 875 sets for each U.S. dollar.

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All right, a couple of announcements.
We'd love to have you up.
I know it's a somber day for some of us.
Some people are angry.
We'll get into all that.
But we'd love to have you up.
Again, we want to keep it positive.
If you guys want to come up, please do hit that microphone button in the bottom left.
We'd love to have you.
Always encourage new voices.

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If you can't speak but have a comment or a question for the panel,
please do use that comment box, that purple pill in the bottom right.
Just hit that, and then you can type in there, and we'll see it, hopefully.
All right, one more announcement, and then we will go around the horn
and see how everybody is doing this morning.
Bitcoin Veterans is having our second

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annual, hopefully, summit
and that's happening on November
10th and 11th in beautiful Nashville, Tennessee. Day one will be a conference
and day two will be a day at the range.
We're still looking for people
to get involved. So if you want to volunteer or

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you have a speaker topic, panel topic, please do visit BitcoinVeterans.org forward slash
Summit 2025. And you can also get your tickets there as well. So we'd love to have you. Should
be a great time. I think a good time of learning, but also hanging out with all of the Bitcoin

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veterans. So please check that out, BitcoinVeterans.org forward slash Summit 2025. All right, guys,
Not going to be an easy one, but that's okay.
We're here for it.
And I want to go around and just say good morning to everybody.
Wade, how's it going this morning, sir?

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Well, now that the political assassinations are back in vogue, you know, I just hope, I know I did,
but I hope everybody else gave their wife and their kids a hug and a kiss before they left for work this morning.
and just wish the FBI all the best as they try and bring this guy in.
Yeah, thanks for that.

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Wanted to also say good morning to Eric.
I think he's just going to give us some hand signals this morning.
And then, Neil, how are you, sir?
I'm doing all right, Bob.
You know, it's saddened a bit, but not shocked.
it's a bit like uh i don't know when you just put a marshmallow and you hold it in the fire and it

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lights up it's like you're kind of not surprised so it's kind of i think
yeah the temperature is definitely uh in some cases very hot uh so again try to keep it positive
here and calm. I see a lot of craziness all over the place. So we'll try to keep it chill

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and keep it real. BFP, good morning, sir. How are you?
Good morning, Bob. It's a beautiful day for a great day. But it is somber. It weighs on
out everyone's conscience. There's no way to avoid the thought of it. When your 13-year-old
daughter breaks the news to the family it's pretty messed up yeah crazy times for sure

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puppy good morning sir how are things oh good man and yeah to what he said was interesting is um
i don't get caught up mostly in the um this mainstream mainstream type stuff i already knew
about it but i'm surprised uh when um she brought it up too hey dad did you see this
I was surprised he even knew Charlie Kirk, but that was sort of the reach he had to this younger generation.

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And it's funny how this all ties together with Bitcoin and this search for truth.
And I'm thinking, you know, 24 years ago, just standing in front of the television trying to sort out what was going on in New York.
But, yeah, I think this is a great conversation to have to see competing narratives, how they change right in front of you.

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and ultimately is, you know, who you're going to believe us or your lying eyes.
So thanks for having me, man.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I do think we'll hop into a little bit of it with, you know, free speech and those things.
I want to say good morning to Mike.
We don't always get him.
How's it going today, Mike?

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Good morning, guys.
Just a little comment on yesterday's event.
I won't get into, like, the Doomer stuff like I typically do,
But like the title to the room says, it's going to you're we're going to need everybody to really pull on their their wisdom threads here and really lean on their their pillars of stoicism and keeping the emotions at bay as best as possible there.

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I'm sure you guys saw it in your feeds.
It was all over every one of my social feeds that in a way that I've never seen before.
and there are a lot of very emotionally charged, anger charged hard lines that people are claiming
to be drawing in the sand and that's where we really need to all try and be the pillars of calm

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while everybody else is so on an elevated level. We don't want our neighbors and our family members
and our friends and our countrymen and our brothers and sisters in arms to be acting irrationally.
And I would unfortunately expect things to continue along this unfortunate trend for the immediate foreseeable future.

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So just because that's kind of like the path of least resistance that seems to be getting laid down here.
so um just this is just another um opportunity to just practice being the one that's the safe
harbor in the middle of the storm that everybody else is going through because
i think we're i think we're going to need it a lot more um for for quite a while

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yeah thanks for that and good morning yomar thanks for coming up sir what's on your mind
Hey, how's it going?
Not much the same as everybody else.
It's a tragic day in our history.
And yesterday's events, I think,

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regardless of who carried it out
or which conspiracy you choose to believe at this point in time,
there's always the truth of the government won't let a good tragedy go to waste.
So, you know, my concern is, you know, them using the fear and the anger that everybody everybody has now.

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You know, there's two avenues of it.
You know, there's the, you know, pushing people towards violence, which, you know, if you listen to Trump's speech last night, wasn't really one to calm people's nerves.
And then the other side of it is, you know, whether they use Charlie's assassination or, you know, subsequent events to justify it.

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You know, there's a lot of signals that, you know, they want you to be afraid because then, you know, you beg for security, you know.
Not for nothing, but that's exactly what they did after 9-11, right?
Everybody was traumatized.
Everybody in that case came together.
It was a very unifying moment for our country, unlike I think what happened yesterday.

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But they used that to usher in laws and things that in no other circumstance would Americans go along with.
And it's been a detriment to our liberty ever since then and our security.
And with Peter Thiel on the back burner there trying to usher in Palantir Tech and whatnot.

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and not just him there's dozens of companies he's just the most prominent one um you know it's it's
uh you know something to be aware of you know they're gonna i'm sure they'll find once they
identify the shooter they're gonna see these tweets or youtube videos you know same as we do
with all the other ones and there's gonna be a large swath of uh people that are saying oh why
why didn't the fbi know about this why didn't this why didn't that and then these tech companies

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will come in and say well we can tell you we just have to you know just have to pass a law so we can
spy on everybody. We just need this data feed to go to us so that we can sort through the noise and
signal the FBI on all these pre-crimes. That's the thing that I think we should be most concerned
with because that's what I think is, you know, not saying that the government planned this,

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just like that's what they would use this opportunity and that's what they see it as
an opportunity. That's what they'd use this opportunity for is to usher in new surveillance,
an update, a facelift for the two-decade-old Patriot Act.
They need to start incorporating the new technological landscape,
and they need some sort of tragedy or series of tragedies to implement that.

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Which is really just them CYA-ing for stuff that they've already been doing
illegally since 2001, and they're just trying to gain ground on
stuff that they're already illegally collecting that they're going to need to CYA
in the future. Sorry, I didn't mean to step on you, Bob.
No, it's definitely

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we can hop into that. Did want to say good morning to a new speaker.
We have Ms. Renee. Good morning.
Good morning. I just wanted to say
that I've listened to
different points since he passed
because everybody has an opinion
and everybody's speculating of what's

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Going to happen and all this but
I mean as a follower of Christ
I took
Notice that
Number one well Greg
What got followed yesterday afternoon on the
Five said I fed two strokes I don't
Talk plain I'm sorry so
Yesterday afternoon on the five
He said um
You know it is a turning

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Point
That
That we should all
Recognize that
This could be a turning point for those who want to speak truth and righteousness and all that.
And I believe that.
So we could either shrink down in fear and say, I'm going to speak a word, which that's what they want.

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That's what COVID was all about, you know, shutting down churches and anybody getting together.
And so anything to shut down the voice of truth
That's what they're pushing
And it is thus against them
Thus against them
That, you know, this is a line being drawn on the sand

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That either we're going to stand for what is right
And reject what is wrong
Or just compromise
Just
Just say it's a tragic event
Get on with it
But I think if we reflect
On our own lives

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And just ask
Deep questions of the Lord
What you want me to do
And obey him
And do what he wants
And um
I just want to share a scripture
And somebody can read it for me
Because I can't
Read anymore
Can't see good

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But anyway
Luke 12
1 through 2
April of
2023
I woke up once reading a word
And that was what came to mind
Or that's what came
And I had never really noticed that scripture

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Before
You know that
Everything hidden
will be revealed.
It's going to all come to light. It's going to be exposed.
And it was shortly after that P. Diddy and Robert Morris
and one right after another had been exposed

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for things they'd been hiding in the closet for years.
And it all came to light. And I think
with the passing of Charlie, who was so precious,
You know, he's just 31 years old, a good boy.
And he, all obstacles that came against him and everybody with the naysayers and everybody that really wanted him dead because they wanted him silenced.

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But he knew, I believe he knew in his heart it was going to cost his life.
And let's not shrink back.
Let's not be afraid of going forward to do whatever God has called us to do.
And Charlie was just a wonderful example for the next generation to speak truth and to come against the things that try to shut you down.

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And he was an amazing man.
He was an amazing man.
And he's got a beautiful wife.
And I think about the little girl
That she loved her daddy so much
And they're going to miss
See her daughter's daddy grow up
But now they got a video
Who their daddy was
And they'll know who their daddy was

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And he did leave a legacy
And
I thank y'all for having the space
I thank you
All of you
All of you
Served
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks so much for coming up and love to hear new voices and perspective.

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So I know it's a little bit, again, somber day, but I do like a lot of the points that you brought up.
And thanks so much for coming up.
Getting kind of a full stage here, so we'll make sure to keep folks up here on stage, hopefully chatting here this morning.
I think BFP was first, but he just put his hand down.

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BFP, you want to go? Otherwise, we'll go to Pubby.
Yeah, I didn't put my hand down, but the technical difficulties on my phone.
I didn't hear that last, I don't know, five, ten seconds,
but the Christ thing made me think of Joe Rogan
and some guy talking about Peter Thiel or Thiel, whatever.

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EMR mentioned him.
And then not only is he doing all this stuff with AI and Palantir,
but apparently he's hosting a talk on the Antichrist.
Not just a talk, a four-part series.
And he's got sold-out tickets in San Francisco.

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And Joe and this guy, I just heard a clip of it.
It was a Tim Dillon episode.
That's the one I was, recent Tim Dillon episode.
Oh, okay.
I was cracking up laughing because of the way they were talking about it.
You got Palantir, you got all this stuff,
and then you're going to do a four-part series on the Antichrist?

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I think a speech on the Antichrist is plenty,
but to act like it just shows the non believer mentality I don hate on non I like everyone

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But it shows just not reading the room type stuff with Peter Thiel.
Yeah, it's very interesting.
And I do think Yomar's comments make a lot of sense to me.
I've been thinking the same thing over the last few hours about, unfortunately,

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government's using this for things that won't turn out good.
Pubby, good morning again, and what say you?
Yeah, good morning.
You know, like I said, I took time instead of a quick reaction yesterday.
I just want to think about this.
But one of the things that, you know, I think you need to understand why does this thing with Charlie Kirk really hit home so much?

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And I don't think you can have the power of that unless you compare it with Irina Zorutska.
All right. She's the Ukrainian girl who was basically slaughtered to death.
And, you know, in a way that was such a death of innocence and the narratives that had been just, you know, you know, just forced down our throat of, you know, who's to blame in society and who isn't.

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But when you have something on camera like that, someone, you know, which is usually it's a it's a mainstream media dream, right?
You've got a refugee, right, that's here in America.
She's working hard, coming home from a shift and just brutally stabbed to death.
Didn't even see it coming. OK.
And it was for many people, it's sort of a death of innocence.

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Like what society am I living in now where I can't even get on a bus?
and then you see the reactions everything that's been been thrown um three people around and i get
sort of the fear someone has a weapon you don't um and there's no one to fight and here's the
problem if someone does fight like a former ex-marine he's the one that gets arrested and

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he had to go to trial almost was going to serve 13 years they finally acquitted him and no one
wants to get involved man there's a fear there's an apathy no one cares and this is what they want
to tell you what would have been if if colors had been reversed there okay and this is their race
card if colors had been reversed um would have been front page news but they bury it even when

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it's on camera you know who are you going to believe right and so you have that that death
of innocence and just going about your daily life then you have someone where you have the death of
just dialogue that's what kirk was man he would go into the lion's den of these college campuses
He didn't go there with guns. He went there with arguments. He went there with, hey, what's your name? Okay, what's your viewpoint? Okay, this is my viewpoint.

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And when you see the political side of things get to a point where when your ideas aren't working, all you have left is an assassination and violence.
Yeah, that's a dark part that we are hitting right now.
And so those two together have just pushed people to the wall of we can't stand for it anymore.

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We just cannot stand for it as much as people have taken the high road.
This is why I think it's hitting hard with so many.
Thank you for your time, man.
Yeah, for sure. Good comments.
Yeah, I do want to make sure, you know, that we are, you know, looking at things objectively, seeking out truth.
And, you know, it's still raw and fresh for a lot of us.

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And so you've got to be careful to not stoke more tensions.
And that's why, yeah, we have this space.
Keep calm today.
Wade, your hand is up.
Go ahead.
I think it's obvious that there's going to be some sort of reactionary response.
I just hope that it's a productive reactionary response in the same way that kind of the civil rights movement reacted to their targeted assassinations of their leaders.

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I my kind of shock or just general concern, though, is that we've just seen so many examples recently of the basic human rules of hospitality being so grossly violated and and just such a blatant attack on public debate and public discourse that it's just kind of shocking to the core in general.

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And it's such a shock to to just the general body politic that I think there has to be and there really should be a productive reactionary public response to this.
Yeah. And, you know, you know, I made the comments in the opener about feeling like I was in a simulation.
It really actually stemmed from Trump's post.

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it just seemed, I don't know, that video
seemed, I don't know, eerily
like a lot of maybe strange movies
that I've seen.
We see some other
hands. Neil, go ahead.

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Hey, Neil.
Neil, you're in the Matrix.
Do you want to fix that?
We'll come back to you.
Let's go to Yomar.
yeah just gonna say like um um you know you guys are talking about how just like society
kind of lost something and i think that's exactly right you know like some of the one of the more
horrific things of the train shooter and or train stabbing in particular was the uh just disinterest

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of the people around around her right like she uh i don't think anybody could have really saved
her life given that from what i heard she was stabbed in the neck several times right but at
least to have like a compassionate face and not like the floor of a bus or train, whatever.
That's something, you know.
But, you know, we're conditioned like on purpose, you know, like my if you've read some of my

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articles, you know, I talk about it, I touch on it a couple of times.
But, you know, the the effort is to get us to be kind of indifferent about the loss of
life because the powers that be kind of run on that.
Right.
Like, you know, I'm sure most of you guys are veterans in here, you've heard of wars, Iraq, you know, the military industrial complex.

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Some of the stuff I talked about in my articles is like how, you know, people were resistant to killing even in war.
And there's a, you know, government effort to dissuade them of that.
And, you know, we see all this violence and killing in movies and games.
And, you know, you know, it's generally like I don't think it's going to lead to somebody going out and like killing somebody directly.

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But I do think it desensitizes you, especially if you're looking at it on a screen.
You know, that's why people can look at, you know, videos of somebody being murdered and, you know, laugh about it or, you know, make like rude comments about it because it's not real to them.
You know, they've seen people die on a screen since they were a kid watching TV.

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so seeing a real person on a screen dying isn't that different right like there's not it's hard
to know the signals because you know the the movie industry has become so good at faking it
um so there is really something there in terms of like what society has lost and you know it's um
you know it's really in service to that in my opinion it's in service to that like military

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industrial complex so that we can you know be better goons on the on the in the trenches um
They don't want to have to make us go from biblical teachings of thou shall not kill all the way from there to shooting at the, quote, enemy.
It's a lot easier for 80% of the way there, and they just got to give us a little nudge over the top.

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So I think it's important to keep that in mind and just be aware of – at least I'm aware, like with my kids, of the media they consume and stuff.
Keep them in a nice, safe little bubble.
And eventually, like, they'll get out of that.
But at least for a while, their brain will be safe from that pollution.

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Yeah, it is crazy.
The reach makes me think back.
Someone else said it, but my son overheard my wife and I talking about it last night.
And he was like, oh, I know him.
Whoa, that's crazy.
And we try to keep a good eye on what our kids consume.
But he had quite the reach and, yeah, pretty incredible.

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I do think maybe not as a counterpoint to what you're saying, Yomar,
I noticed, though, that I think some people do a really good job of the remembrance.
and so I've seen a lot of really good posts of, you know, he's a very public figure

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and people have been putting out a lot of the wise things that he said,
a lot of the things that he stood up for, the most important things in his life.
And so as much as, you know, like what you said about people being desensitized,
I do think that, you know, we can counter that in some ways, maybe by talking through this stuff, keeping calm, encouraging people to be, you know, positive and to be positive in their own circles and communities.

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but also, yeah, kind of, I don't know, not flooding the Internet with positivities and ignoring all the bad stuff.
But it's kind of like maybe just a counter good to the evil that's pushed out there.

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And I wanted to check with Neil again and see if his microphone has been fixed.
Yeah, so hopefully that's better.
But all I was going to say is like, how does this type kind of into Bitcoin?
And it's just like, you know, the thing about if you are working, creating value in the world and can trade that value for Bitcoin, if you're doing that, if you're living your life in that way, you've filled your life with meaning and purpose.

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And in a sense, you've insulated yourself from just nonsensical ideology.
Like, you know, you're so grounded and just like, like, you're living that and connecting with other people in a way that just like you, these ideas of like political violence and, you know, just like that's not, that's never going to enter your mind.

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because you're grounded, you're aligned with reality, and you're actually, you know, I don't
know, you're actualizing your human potential. You know, it's this hollowing out of the human
spirit, this hollowing out of and setting aside your dignity that allows these, you know, absurd
ideologies to enter into your mind and take root. And it's just like, you know, this is like a

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a consequence, you know, of the fiat, like the hollowing out of the human person is horrible.
And, you know, so it's like, that's a way that you can, you know, not only just for yourself,
but for your others, you know, like help, like if you're asking yourself, how do you, you know,

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I have kids going to school or kids going to college, how do I help them, you know,
keep their eyes on the prize and not get distracted. It's like, well, you know,
having that understanding of like what it is to work and what it is to have,
you know, to be able to save, you know, the, the fruit of your work and,
you know, like being able to align that stuff is a really good start to kind of

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help set some guardrails or, you know, to, to keep people on track. So,
you know, I don't know. It's just a, you, you have to be an empty person to,
I'm just lunatic.
They're an empty shell of a person that carried this out.
But that's all I got to share.

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Yeah, thanks, Neil.
Let's go to Texas Toast.
And I do want to hear from Robert this morning, too, after that.
Not to put you on the spot, Robert, but I do thank you for joining the stage.
And I've seen some of your posts and would love to get some perspective from you as well.
So Texas Toast, go ahead, sir.
Yeah, I was about to say, Robert's been making a lot of great comparisons here.

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So glad he's on stage.
But I don't know.
Sorry, I was about 10 minutes late.
So I don't know if it was said that, you know, he had a connection to Bitcoin as well.
You know, there's a couple of clips going around.
I'll put them in the nest in a second.
But one is, you know, asking what Trump would do day one, what he would like Trump to do day one in an interview.

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The first thing he said is Free and Ross.
Um, you know, living up to his word and, and, and doing that, you know, keeping his promise
and, uh, freeing him and that says something.
And then in another interview, um, he, he talks about, he's asked about Bitcoin and,
uh, he sees it as basically a, you know, something that he compares it to, to the English language

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and being a protocol and how, you know, it's kind of going to have this mass adoption effect
and there's no stopping it.
So he understood Bitcoin as well.
Maybe not, you know, in a technical, who knows?
I mean, we never got the, we'll never really know how deep his knowledge is on it
just based on some of his interviews that he has now.

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But, you know, that's kind of how it touches the space as well.
that, you know, this was a guy that not every big corner is on your side.
Not every big corner is a good person, you know,
but it does say a lot that you can at least be open-minded enough
to see something and take the good things for it.

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But Robert had a bunch of good stuff on how the, you know,
our economic effects have are affecting you know that the shooter and this mentality and kind of
all this stuff so robert if you want to speak about kind of the stuff you've been thinking about
posting about i really appreciate it yeah um

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oh man this is not good um i saw i don't know if you guys covered it or if you saw but there
was an atf memo that got leaked um recently past like 10 minutes or so uh atf memo was leaked that
there were scrawlings on the cartridges transgender scrawlings so i don't know if

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that answers the question about,
I know some people are thinking this was,
you know, an op, foreign intelligence sort of,
saw a lot of that this morning,
versus, you know, political act of violence.
But something broke in America yesterday,
something broke in me yesterday.

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Felt like the fabric of the country
It was completely ripped.
It's completely beyond repair.
Like, yeah, Charlie, you know, before, I always, I knew his name and I knew of him.
He was a younger, you know, political influencer, had a large following.

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A bunch of people, when he went on Tucker, sent, a bunch of people were sending me the
clip saying, you got to watch this.
And I did.
and it resonated with me and I felt a connection to him that I had not felt before.
And yeah, from then on, it was kind of a different, it was a totally different thing.

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And I felt a part of me and him. I felt, you know, part of him and me. And so when they killed him
yesterday, you know, it feels like a part of me was killed as well. He wasn't, you know, I didn't
follow every single word he said about every single issue. I don't think that that's a useful
way to look at this. But what he did say in that Tucker interview and others is indistinguishable

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from things that I've been saying openly, now publicly, you know, with my real name and
right, like a picture, you know, I made that decision a bit ago, right? And I got to admit
that it really shook me up. Uh, this, this whole thing really shook me up. I,

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I haven't felt, uh, emotional like I did yesterday or this morning, even again. Uh,
I'm not that type of person. I haven't felt that way since my dog died two decades ago,
you know, like I haven't, um, it, it, it shook me. It, it's, uh, it's a bad day,

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for the country. It's a bad day.
I don't know how we come back from this.
I think things get a lot worse. I think things get kind of
unimaginably dark in the near future.
A lot of us

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that talk about structural demographic theory,
a lot of us have been talking about this for a while now,
But, yeah, it feels different to actually live through it.
It was like, yeah, you know, basically everyone on the stage at one time or another has spoken about the foreturning.
And, you know, either, right, from history tells us that either we have a civil conflict or we have an international conflict like a world war.

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You know, I'm no longer worried about the threat of World War III.
It was, I was leaning towards that, you know, and kind of worried about that.
that would keep me up.
I'm no longer worried about World War III.
I think it pretty clear that there will be a conflict It be domestic And the implications and the consequences of this are yet to be fully understood And I worry for my family I worry for the country I don think

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there's coming back from this. I think he was the moderate. He was the one that,
But according to liberalism, the idea of liberalism, the core idea is that free marketplace of ideas.
And a lot of us, me included, have been talking about the kind of outright objective, blatant failures of liberalism over the past couple of years.

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Well, he was the one that played by the liberal, small L, right?
Not leftist, small L liberal.
He was the one that played by those rules and they killed him.
They shot him in cold blood.
They executed him.
They assassinated him.
So what does that say about liberalism?
You know, if the rule book you followed up until this point brought you to this of what use was the rule, right?

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And the consequences or the implications of what that implies are exceedingly dark.
I think that we saw to some degree a death of liberalism itself yesterday.
and I think that the consequences are
it's beyond words
the entire situation is just beyond words

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yeah thanks for that
and also wanted to acknowledge we have Puncher up here
but do have some hands, good morning Puncher
but let's go to, I think Pubby was first and then we'll go to Yomer
yeah I think he was absolutely on target
with that. There's Charlie Kirk, the moderate, and the death of liberalism and trying to play

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by someone's rules. This guy was an elected official. He was just someone that had ideas
that were different from someone else's. And he was willing to go anywhere to discuss them.
That's it. And this is what have we always been taught? Violence is never the answer.
Talk things out. And this is sort of the Rubicon that was crossed yesterday for many people,

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Because was there anyone else out there that was doing more to show that than Charlie Kirk, to go in there, be respectful?
I don't think there was.
I can't think of anybody.
And you have that juxtaposed with the – he's a young father.
He's got the wife, two young kids, just a beautiful family.

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And to see that there are forces out there that will just take that all away because views are different.
Again, he's not a president. He's not calling in airstrikes on your country.
There's no violence there.
And it hits that point where you finally say to yourself, well, what else is there?

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if they can come and assassinate this guy in broad daylight in front of his kid, no less.
If they can do that, where else is there to turn?
Where is this dialogue going to come from?
That's the question.
Where do you turn to now?
Many people feel there is nowhere.
And I like that.
Yeah, keep calm.
But where do you turn from here?
I don't know.

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Yeah, it is.
I think we're still all digesting.
I think the main thing here is, you know, we have to stand up for what we believe to be true and right.
And we should be seeking those things out.
But we shouldn't be resorting to violence.
And keeping calm is kind of, I guess, my way of hopefully encouraging people that, you know, we are all online.

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We're all connected.
And it's a beautiful thing.
But I think sometimes we need to dial it back and think about our own families, our own neighborhoods, communities.
And so maybe that's where this this comes in. But Yomar, see your hand. Go ahead, sir.
um i forget the exact point i have such a short attention span that i forget the exact point i

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was going to make um but uh i you know like uh like just talking about like the the ideals like
like even if charlie's uh points weren't moderate like it doesn't really matter right like the
because to to somebody like you know we're extremists for for being bitcoiners right so
So like the subjective like opinion of others as to like what's moderate, what's what's extreme.

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I don't think it really matters.
Like the key, like the fundamental part of, you know, free speech is that like we I think it was Infra before saying like, you know, we have the ability to discuss these ideas and stuff and and like share these ideas without fear of one government retribution and to, you know, lunatic.

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retribution like people coming out to uh commit acts of violence against you um i made a post
before like um somebody was uh you know there's people saying like oh like because of you know
his takes on xyz um you know like you shouldn't feel sorry for him um but you know like the takes

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that he had that like uh they're talking about like his takes on like gaza and stuff none of
that more like particularly original like it wasn't like he was uh you know at the forefront
of the lines like uh you know committing massacres on his own and stuff like that he's regurgitating
talking points that you know you can find from like a thousand bots on here you know so like
the to say like oh because of that like um you know he doesn't deserve sympathy i think is a

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bit of a stretch um because again it's just uh speech right like the idea is and like that's
that's the other aspect of it like if the ideas are bad like they should be easy to refute and like
His ideas on Gaza were bad.
Like, you know, they're very easy to disprove.
And, like, that should be the angle that you go with.
You can, you know, fight bad speech with good speech.

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Like, that's the whole concept of the whole basis of freedom of speech is that you can – if the idea is bad, it's easy to poke holes in it.
So that's the avenue we should be going with.
Um, and, uh, you know, again, I just like, there's a lot of emotions and stuff going around. And I think it's important to like, keep them in check because the, the biggest threat that I see coming out of this is, um, you know, more, the government sees you more power.

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You know, I don't know if there's enough. I don't know if there's enough people with enough time on their hands right now to degrade into like street violence that would lead to like the civil war fear that, you know, some people might have.
but I definitely it's just a whip of a pen to to strip rights you know and the irony of that

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would be that like Charlie Kirk was very adamant and even you know openly
you know supported the right of free speech for you know things that he didn't agree with so you
know like I said I think a lot of his arguments had flaws but he had like the at least core
principle of, you know, even speech I don't like should be allowed to be spoken.

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So, yeah, I just want to keep hammering in that, you know, instead of looking at us,
you know, left versus right or Denver's Republican or any of those things, just, you know, keep
an eye on the big guy looking down at all, waiting for the minute to whip their pen across
a piece of paper.
Yeah, it is a big concern.

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I did want to just remind everybody, we do this every weekday, 10 a.m. Eastern.
If it's your first time, we appreciate you listening in.
A little bit different topic today, obviously.
But thanks for coming up, Lev.
I want to hear from you as well.
Thank you.
First of all, I want to thank each and every one of you for your service.

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I consider myself a Charlie Kirk fan.
I watched him a lot.
And, you know, I don't really feel like he just came to these debates with talking points. I mean, he really dominated with facts and logic. And the people on the other end of these debates, you know, when they lose, like, it's just that they base their whole identity on these views.

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So they're just left seething. And that's what I keep seeing. And that's why, you know, they have no logical arguments against him. And that's where we are today. Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate you all.
yeah uh bfp go ahead yeah i had a couple things one thing was bitcoin related and i thought it was

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uh pretty cool to see ross olbrick's post about how he had a big part in getting him pardoned
and then another thing is uh more anecdotal my my son was talking to me about uh you know right
when this happened i got a phone call and he's 19 and he was um talking about uh charlie kirk and

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and uh how he doesn't agree with what he said about the whole you know israel gaza thing and
i'm not getting into that but uh you know we kind of see the same way on that but he said
They need to bring back hangings in public or something.

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And I strongly disagree with that.
And I just said to them, I said, that's what they want.
They want you to be numb to violence.
And that just makes it worse.
I said, you got to remember the whole word government, if you break it down, the etymology is control of the mind.
Govern is basically they want to control you.

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And then the mint is mine, mental mint. I said, so be aware of, you know, how this plays out. Don't just, you know, think like they want you to think. That's narrative control.
yeah i go back and forth on the uh like the capital punishment thing like i have the

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natural distrust of government ever getting something right you know like the the cases
the known cases of them executing the wrong person stuff like that um but then when you
look at like the the train stabbing um you know some of the school shootings where there's like
just irrefutable evidence uh no denials you know like all that kind of stuff it's like i mean these
people aren't, I don't see them being redeemable in society. You know, like if you shoot up a school

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or something, you know, it's really hard to argue that like some years in prison can fix that.
So I go back and forth on the capital punishment thing. I do think that we have to do something
about the infamy that we grant these people. You know, I generally like have this take on like
school shooters and stuff. I think that's like a huge part of it is that we, you know, plaster

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their names all over the place and you know even though most people revile them there are other
lunatics out there that will like celebrate them like we see this with the um the charlie kirk thing
now we see people some like celebrating um which is it's gross right like nobody uh you know you
can you should never be in the position where you're like celebrating the death of another person

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even if that person's vile you know what i mean like you should be uh mourning the the point in
their life where they turned into like some evil creature and you know wishing that they went like
a different way or something but um when you start celebrating death like that's gonna that's gonna
pollute you uh you know i mean i'll tell you one thing though this would not be happening if we
took the approach to punishment that say uh parts of the middle east do right like i i don't want

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to use certain words but like you know you you make a statement that we as a society will not
tolerate certain things and you display it publicly.
Look, I think that there is a recognition amongst, at least what I'm gathering, a recognition
amongst especially a lot of young men that the liberalist idea of this kind of turn away,

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this rejection of brutality, this belief that humanity is fundamentally good and we can't
be mean and we have to protect people's feelings and write that sort of thing.
There is a distinct shift away from that.
And look, I can't say anything other than I don't think that this sort of thing would

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be happening if we treated people that did things like this in a much more violent way.
I mean, like, I don't want to use certain words.
And I, you know, I, but like, I mean, the problem though, is that like, I think this is a, you know, you have to look at like the grand scheme of things, right? We're asking the American people to completely ignore and be okay with the millions of people that we've killed directly and indirectly from our foreign policy. Like there's been two years of blown apart children on Twitter. And we ask people to ignore that.

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I totally agree with you
I totally agree on that point
I think that what we see is just a sick society
I think we've been getting sick
since World War II
I think that was a big turning point
in our prevalence for war and our justifications
for it and the dehumanization that comes along
with it
there's a reason why there's always a slang

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for whoever the enemy is
if you read the interviews
or watch the interviews of
I forget what his name is
but he was
all over the news after the my line massacre and you know one of the quotes was like oh like i keep
hearing you say like waste and uh something else um and like i never hear you say kill and he's like

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oh yeah well you don't want to kill somebody that's against like our religion like but if
you're just wasting a you know whatever uh slang term for vietnamese then it's not the same like
you don't have the same worries um and i think what we see in our society today is just a reflection
of that it's what the this is this is what i was talking about earlier like what we demand
And what we need for our military industrial complex to survive is that we're desensitized to violence and murder and death because we see it all the time.

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And then the unfortunate, you know, quote, unfortunate for the government consequence of that is sometimes it shows up on our own streets.
So I think that like the, you know, our society as a whole has a has a problem.
So I don't know if like public violence, you know, publicly executing people and stuff like that.
I don't know if that's good, if that would help anything or just, you know, contribute more to the problem.

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I think that we need to shift the entire nation away from like these like platitudes of, oh, well, this is evil, but it's good for America.
I think if we actually just shifted back to, hey, this is good, you know, with like a capital G and started doing that, then I think society could start to heal itself.
I just don't know if we'll ever get to that point.
You know, it goes back and forth.

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And Charlie talked about this. And it's it's a really important point that and I think we all see it now is that our form of government.
Is totally inadequate for an unreligious, non-God fearing people.
And that that has been this has been the biggest display of that, you know, combined with our foreign policy and a lot of these things.

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It's like, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Are we going to have to change our form of government in order to take control and actually, you know, tamp down on some of the violence that is that is happening and the injustices?
Or can we reform the population to become a moral people once again in order so that, you know, we can actually have a a a balance of justice and grace in our politics and in our government?

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And, you know, you can come up with whatever conclusion you want. I think we can all see it's largely broken at this point. So it's like, what do you know, what's your angle? And for me, it's like Bitcoin's part of that angle that that hopefully will help, you know, illuminate a lot of good things in society and a lot of justice and truth.

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And, you know, these these positive words that we we try to describe our ourselves in our society with or at least what we want to see in it.
But it kind of goes back and forth. And the founders wrote about this.
They knew that what they were creating was for them, was for their people, a Christian society that, you know, is like 99% of the signers, you know, profess their faith in Christianity.

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All of the state of the 13 colonies, every single one of them had a had a pledge to Jesus Christ in in their documents at the founding of the country.
And so it's like all these different things kind of come together and where we're at now and what's been lost and what we are to do at this point going forward.

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And there's a couple of different paths, but I just think Bitcoin is an important part of that is going to shape the future of this country.
Yeah. Do you have a couple of other hands?
I just want to get everybody's thoughts here.
So we have probably going to butcher it, but Rye Lion.
You actually got it 100% correct. I appreciate that. I hope everyone's having a decent morning today. It's been a little bit interesting the last 24 hours, of course. And, of course, with today being 9-11, a lot of things happening across the country, a lot of thought processes, a couple unfortunate things.

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you know we still don know even remotely close like the shooters whereabouts their motives their anything And I kind of have like a two question just in general You know I been speaking of course to a lot of my close friends and you know
things along those lines about this entire thing.
And the two-part question is, right now, everyone is saying like,

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all right, we have to do something about the left, Civil War this, Civil War that, right?
It's all one side versus another side at this point.
And, you know, we're all into crypto.
We're all betting people.
You know, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's probably a duck that committed this heinous act.
Right. More than likely, it was one side versus another side type situation.

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But Occam's razor, just for a second for me, I'm just curious to know from other people because I am in Florida.
I am a registered Republican, but I do not vote Republican at all.
You know what I mean?
I'm not a conservative.
I'm not in that movement.
I'm not in that type of space.
You know, I have never been a fan of Charlie Kirk.

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I've not been a fan of what he says.
I'm not a fan of this administration in the least bit.
But I'm just curious, since we don't know anything about the shooter, we don't know anything at all.
You know, what political affiliation, race, religion, whatever.
How would you all feel?
Well, first off, would you even accept the news as is if it did end up being somebody from the same political atmosphere as Charlie Kirk, just somebody who was obviously more radicalized and was like just fed up with the way that the Republican Party in general has been going about the last 10 years?

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And they just kind of said outright, this, you know, this is obviously not the way that this is supposed to happen.
This is not how we deal with things.
He got up there. He spoke.
Every single time he spoke in front of people that disagreed with him, obviously.
I mean, to the point of yelling in his face almost constantly.
And would you even accept that as an answer if it turned out to be true?

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First off, I'm just curious to know just from your guys' standpoint.
And the majority of people I don't think would accept that if that ended up being the case.
Well, we know it's not. We know it's not.
The ATF memo was leaked that there are transgender scrollings on the cartridges.
Like, we know it's not true.
Okay.

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I mean, once again, it's not 100% confirmed.
And I've heard all these things as well.
It's like, I want a person in custody.
And I want to hear the reasons why they did it, of course.
Like, whether it's left or right, I'm just curious, you know, at all, if that ended up being the case.
Because we did have two people detained and they were let go immediately.
So, I mean, things are all over the place.

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Um, but you know, I'm just, that's the first part of my question, I guess, if you guys wanted to
answer that, uh, more than welcome to. Yeah, I'll just say, um, I mean, I think,
you know, it's fair to speculate, but at the same time, like, I'm not sure what the, what ifs,
uh, what good they do us. I think, uh, especially in this space, like to keep it towards,

(59:23):
again, keeping calm and helping people decide what they can do in their communities to make
them better. I don't think that we gain much by trying to push out narratives or argue against
what some people, one side would call propaganda, the other side would call truth. I think there'll

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be, all that stuff will get sorted out and we'll have evidence, hopefully, and not just,
quote-unquote news. So I want to be careful not to go too far down paths that I don't think aid
people in their, I think, digesting of this and really do want to try to keep it positive.

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I do appreciate you coming up, Ryleon, and we do have a couple other hands. Usually we try to
keep this to an hour. We'll go a little bit over today, but I do want to hear from Wade and then
Yomar as well. Yeah, I mean, like historically we have like bad actors from across the political
spectrum committing acts of political violence. It's been a long time in this country since,

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example, we've had like a Timothy McVeigh moment and it kind of feels like now we're having a
Timothy McVeigh moment all over again where we have an absolutely heinous act and we have a
manhunt on the way. And we've got the potential death penalty going on. And I mean, you just go
back. I mean, it was all over the news, the Timothy McVeigh execution at the Terre Haute,

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you know, federal corrections facility when that went down, what, a decade ago or something like
that. And it just feels, you know, historically, this country and Western society treats pirates
and they treat assassins and they treat terrorists the exact same way. And that is a, you know,
a trial and a public execution. And I think we're kind of looking at,

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regardless of whatever this person's political motives and whatnot are,
I think we're looking at a serious Timothy McVeigh moment all over again.
Go ahead, Yomar.
Yeah, I was just going to say, I actually have to drop because I have a meeting starting,
but I did, I put a post up in the nest. I think,

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I think that quote from the Bible is really important to try to internalize, especially as you get your emotions ramped up and stuff.
You know, in the spirit of keeping calm, you know, don't don't go out thinking that it's your job to get vengeance against, you know, the libs or whoever, whoever, you know, is responsible for it.

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And, you know, in the end, whoever commits these crimes will have to answer for it, whether that's here or in the next life.
So you can at least take some solace in that. And, yeah, like to circle it back, you know, keep calm.
Don't don't get ramped up too much. It's OK to be upset about and you should be upset about, you know, assassinations of political pundits.

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you know that's a pretty wide breath in today's uh internet society like where's the threshold you
know um so you should always be against that um and you know that's left or right you should be
against violence against um you know people for their speech you know um big proponent of like
the the non-aggression uh principles and stuff like that um so just bear that in mind as you go

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forward and as more details and stuff come out um again i'm gonna just keep hammering on it just be
careful of like how the government responds um you know if this does turn out to be another trans
shooter and they say oh we got to take guns away from trainees because they're uh i'm sorry it's
probably not politically correct but whatever you know if we got to take guns away from these people
um because they're not mentally sane or they're not they have a mental disorder or whatever

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uh just bear in mind like there's tons of veterans that are diagnosed with mental disorders you know
um ptsd they they classify there was a time i think they stopped doing it but the uh the government
use those diagnoses to try to strip veterans of their Second Amendment rights.
So if we start giving them a little bit of lead on the leash to infringe on our rights

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because of, quote, mental disorders, just bear in mind who could have control of the
government next time around, right?
The FBI already lists a terror threat.
So they're just waiting for that authority to start infringing on rights. So just keep that in mind, you know, be vigilant out there, but don't be crazy.

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yeah spirit of sorry bob in the spirit real quick in the spirit of like being calm
i think this this community uh you know
understands that and understands that we're going to be figuring out what happened over the next

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weeks and uh and months of what really happened and there is no quick fix to this there is no
So, you know, snap your fingers and everything's all better.
This is going to take a long time and a concerted effort by a lot of people to fix our country.

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And so getting too emotional, getting all riled up against a specific individual or group of people, I don't think is going to do you justice.
It's not going to do Charlie justice.
This is going to take probably like two generations if we actually want to get it fixed or at least two decades to really implement some of the changes that we need to see and changing the hearts of people all across the country.

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So, yes, keep calm, take a sober approach and have a long time horizon and be diligent about working towards that end.
Yeah, it's really good comments. And I think, you know, unfortunately, I think what Yomar's been saying is true.

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The pendulum swings, right? And both political sides in this country will try to use this in different ways.
And people will call upon leaders to fix the problem.
But I think we've seen that government, the more involvement they have, the more problems we tend to have.

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And so I, for one, don't want to see a whole bunch of people rally behind the state, creating more rules, surveillance, laws, things that impede our freedoms.
And so the thing to not keep calm about is the people around you who are normally, I would say, peaceful people who are usually against the government intervening in more things.

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if there's one thing to not keep calm about, it is those people around you that are encouraging
this administration and elected officials to take away our freedoms in the name of Charlie Kirk or
anyone else who is a victim of this type of thing. And so all I'll say is stand for what's right and

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stand for your rights, but do keep calm.
Yeah, we don't want to see anybody getting too riled up or have violence, you know, throughout
our cities or our countrysides, for that matter.
But I do want to go around and just see if anybody has any final thoughts.
I know we went a little bit over today, but it was kind of one of those days.

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Glad to be with you guys.
I do want to thank everybody who was up here on stage and everybody who listened in.
And I hope this was somewhat therapeutic.
I know there's tough days that we have sometimes, and I think this was one of them.
But I'm glad I was with you guys, and I got to hear some good perspectives today.
I hope the audience enjoyed that as well.

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Wade, I see your hand.
We'll go to you first and then kind of go around the horn for anybody else before we wrap it up.
I know what the Utah governor said was slightly political or was political.
It's inherently political what he said in his speech.
But I think it was important to highlight that the state has an interest in pursuing a capital case against people who assassinate political speakers in public university spaces.

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I do think that there is some space in here for the state, and I hope that there is a true and just investigation, arrest, a trial, a conviction, and I anticipate execution in this matter.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't find somebody for a long time.

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I don't know.
It just seems like this is a big distraction from something else to me, too, in the back of my head.
Not saying it was planned, but I think all these things can be used.
And so it's like these things kind of play off of each other almost, it seems like, where, you know,
I think less is going to be talked about in remembrance of 9-11 today because of what occurred yesterday.

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I think there's other things going on around the world that we didn't even touch on today
that this will be used by the mainstream media and, you know, people to distract us from other things.
So keep your eyes open.
And, yeah, I think it's pretty crazy.
The world we live in, we touched on it a little bit Monday, you know,

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talked about Nepal and France and England and Japan,
and we seem to be pretty U.S.-centric, obviously.
And I think sometimes that we miss things like Israel bombing Qatar.
So anyway, not trying to point anything out in specific, but there's a lot going on in the world beyond our borders.

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And you always wonder what what's what this can be used for.
Anybody else want to give us kind of a capstone on today before we before we wrap it up?
I'll take that silence as a no
but thank you guys we do this every weekday

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10 a.m. Eastern this was therapeutic for me
I appreciate it guys this was better than expected I never
like to host these spaces when it's
yeah things like this are going on and yeah
I get thinking about his family in specifics.

(01:10:33):
And then hopefully we all take this to give someone a hug that we care about.
And despite our differences, hopefully we're treating people with dignity and respect,
as Neil has been talking about quite frequently.
But, yeah, guys, try to have a positive day.
Please be a positive influence out there.

(01:10:58):
Of course, I'm getting a call right during while I'm trying to wrap it up.
But I do want to have people spread positivity in their world.
And, yeah, keep your emotions in check.
Tomorrow will be a new day.
We'll have a lot to digest.
Hopefully we can talk about some more positive things tomorrow.

(01:11:22):
But I want to wish you guys all a positive Thursday.
and we're going to do a little bit different for the show.
We're just going to have, today's going to be a little bit different.
We'll have Eric play a little bit of outro music just in honor of Charlie.
And so go ahead, Eric.

(01:11:58):
Is it getting better?
Or do you feel the same?
Will it make it easier on your love?
You've got someone to blame.

(01:12:21):
You said one love, one life.
When it's one knee in the night, one love we get to share it.
It leaves you, baby, if you don't care for it.
Did I disappoint you?

(01:12:57):
Or leave a bad taste in your mouth?
You act like you never had love.
And you want me to go without
Well, it's too late
Tonight
To drag the past out

(01:13:20):
Into the light
We're one, but we're not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One
Have you come here for forgiveness?

(01:13:49):
Have you come to raise the dead?
Have you come here to play Jesus?
To the lepers in your head?
Did I ask too much, more than a lot?

(01:14:09):
You gave me nothing now, it's all I got.
We're one, but we're not the same.
But we've heard each other, and we're doing it again.
You say love is a temple, love the higher law.
Love is a tickle

(01:14:31):
Love the higher law
You ask me to enter
Then you make me crawl
And I can't be holding on
What you've got
When all you've got is a bird
One love
One love

(01:14:52):
One life
You've got to do what you should
One
One life with each other, sister, brothers, one life, but we're not the same, we get to carry each other, carry each other, one, one.

(01:15:24):
Thank you, guys.