September 12, 2025 • 52 mins
Not even a back to school headcold could keep us away for too long. In this episode we analyze (in our own analytic fashion and with the help of witty Victorian feminists)) the Apostle Paul's letters (epistles) to the Romans and Corinthians from Elizabeth Cady Stanton's "The Woman's Bible," revealing how biblical passages about women have been weaponized to limit their rights throughout history. We expose the contradictions in Paul's writings, from praising women leaders in Romans to commanding women's silence in Corinthians, and examine how these texts still influence gender inequality today.
Here are some highlights in this episode:
• Paul's letter to the Romans names and praises many women who were integral to early Christianity
• Evidence suggests Priscilla may have founded the Church of Rome, yet women still cannot be priests
• Corinthians contains restrictive marriage instructions with unequal standards for men and women
• Paul's command for women to cover their heads stems from an old Hebrew legend about angels
• The directive for women to "keep silence in the churches" contradicts women's earlier recognized roles
• Only seven of the fourteen letters attributed to Paul were likely written by him
• Elizabeth Cady Stanton and her contributors offer biting critiques of Paul's contradictory positions
• These biblical interpretations continue to impact modern gender roles and women's rights
All that and all of the fun, thrills, and modern insight you can handle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Sarah Kay.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And I'm Joanna V.
Oh stop, Thanks for coming.
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Sit down.
No, sit Stop, come on, I loveyou.
That's amazing.
Did you know?
I did that.
Buying all the apples.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's the podcast.
That surreptitious serpentwarned you about.
Welcome to Biting All the Apples, where two gals discuss one
radical book, the best-sellingcritical and comedic masterpiece
from 1895, the Woman's Bible,by Elizabeth Cady Stanton.
I'm Sarah Kay, I'm Joanna B,shoo-wee, shoo-wee, shoo-wee.
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We had an unexpected pause dueto a temporary illness caused by
traveling with children andtheir novel back-to-school germs
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But we are back Back.
We are back Back with the big Bthe Bible, the Woman's Bible.
We are back back with the big Bthe Bible, the woman's Bible.
And in this episode we areresponding to our Victorian
ladies' analysis of the Romansand the Corinthians.
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Love those Greeks.
You're going to want to have astress squeeze ball on the ready
, or maybe a stiff drink, ifthat's your thing, because they
get into what some old guysprescribe for marriage and head
coverings.
It's not cool and it's not evenstuff.
The bearded lord said thebearded lord.
I was like there needs to bemore nicknames for him, I love
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it.
Sometimes I call him Big Jay.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh, Big Jay.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Big.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Jay, you know about Big Jay right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Or sometimes I call him Commie Jay.
Commie Jay, yeah, nah, but likewith other fallacies and
misinterpretations in this2,000-year-old book, the
messages and influence stillaffect us to this very day, and
we're glad to have you with uson this very day.
Welcome, welcome, that's right.
Since it's been a minute, howabout we refresh everyone on our
(02:18):
disclaimers?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Here we go.
Biting all the apples coversanalysis of religious texts.
Some listeners that arereligious out of the need for
the illusion of certainty mayfind the content offensive.
Biting All the Apples alsodiscusses historic texts and
feminist movements.
We recognize that individuals,groups and alternative movements
have been left out ofmainstream history.
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We will note that wheneverpossible, we are open to
additional information providedto us in the spirit of expanding
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ooh, how's your knowledge spirit?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, you know, in a world where knowledge is
disappearing, like in ourmuseums, my knowledge is going
great.
I'm looking, but I am afraidit's disappearing.
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That's why we I got to gather it, gather it and
disperse it.
Yeah, let it, it is.
That's why we I got to gatherit, gather it and disperse it.
Yeah, let it out there.
That's what we're doing rightnow.
Yeah, that's my purpose.
I'm about to disperse a cough.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Ooh, I think something came up.
Sarah Kay, put it over there tothe side.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Ooh, I'm on a long.
It feels like a long recovery,but I guess seven days is.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's average Seven to ten.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Seven to ten for a gnarly.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Fourteen to lose all the mucus Really?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
At least in my, in your mucus experience, yeah,
which is extensive.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I have extensive knowledge.
I am highly qualified.
I am, yeah, I think about mucusa lot.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like, because it really is.
It's fascinating that you canproduce so much.
Women can make babies, but allof us can make mucus.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
All of us can make mucus, and sometimes so much we
could maybe make mucus babies.
It feels like we could be doingsomething with mucus.
Could that be like analternative energy?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
situation.
I mean there's a lot of mucusin the world, yeah especially
right now.
It just gets put into tissuepapers.
It's got to stop.
I think it could be analternative fuel source.
Has anybody looked into this?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I think we're starting it right now If we
didn't have to like fiddlefaddle around with dumb
political crap.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We could be talking about serious solutions.
Who needs fossil fuels whenevery human on this planet is
producing?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
the next fuel source, and if you need to let the
mucus fossilize first, okay, letit go.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
How do we do that?
We'll get it to the container.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I love this idea.
I do too.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm calling all my chemical engineering peeps that
are looking for a new thing.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Especially whatever's going around right now.
So much, so much.
There's so much happening.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Just falls right out of.
Keeps going yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, I hope you don't catch it.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, you know, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Try not to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I got the air purifiers.
I got the.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Lysols.
Doesn't RFK think germs don'texist?
I mean he must.
Or viruses?
There's some misinformation,some I don't mean, pardon me.
I'm sorry, pardon me, I meantto be be like.
There's a specific um, what dothey call it?
The pipeline of healthmisinformation that leads people
to this belief that virusesdon't exist or germs don't exist
(05:36):
, something like that it'sprobably him, because he swam in
that cesspool with his, withhis grandchildren, yeah, yeah
and sadly, and has anybody heardfrom those kids?
I?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
haven't seen the kids .
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
He probably put them in a mucus farm, maybe he's in
on it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
He already knew our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He already knows what's going on.
Yeah, I was like you're likethere's always some
misinformation, always Just askosh, all of it.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
People are so weird.
Humans are.
Humans are weird.
They're not all the brightestbulbs in the boxes.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Nope, but I'll tell you mucus.
That is the future, oh man, Ibet we lost a bunch of people
with the mucus thing.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh sorry, no everybody.
You know what?
Everybody, and it's the timeEverybody went back to school.
Everybody, and it's the timeEverybody went back to school.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Everybody's were confined in buildings that have
terrible air quality.
So I'm like relax, grab a boxof Kleenex, because you are
going to be crying.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're going to cry when you hear about marriage
laws Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So we've got we're getting into it Every episode.
Now I'm like we're almost done.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I know it's kind of crazy.
I love this because I don'tthink I've highlighted a book
this much since I was anundergrad.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I used to never write in books.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I mean, I got my graduate, but by then I was like
I'm not highlighting that, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I got it when I was in grad school.
I was like please, heideggerand Foucault, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I'll tell you, Obviously.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'm a graduate student.
But this I need to highlightyeah, it's super good we have
the first again, couple shortchapters.
Yeah, how do we say this?
Epistle?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They're epistles, but basically Epistles to the
Romans, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's a letter.
I'm so glad that you're here.
Epistles to the Romans.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This is why I don't do this by myself A letter to
the Romans.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So it's a letter to the Romans.
Who's it from?
Paul, oh God.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Paul, oh, I guess.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, viewer, or sorry, listener.
Warning we're anti-Paul.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Totally, Like totally .
And I'm confused about thehistory of Paul because I'm
looking him up, I hear differentthings.
So I'm like even the historiansdon't know Right Like one time
I read he was born five yearsafter Jesus died.
I'd heard 30.
And then I read that he raninto Jesus two years after Jesus
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died.
Well, that doesn't make anysense.
Can somebody line this upappropriately and accurately.
Yeah, actually this brings up.
Why is it so hard to find outthe most important letters,
right?
And this dude didn't even meetJesus until he was already dead
and he came back and he just raninto him in the road.
I didn't read that deeply intoit, but I'm assuming when Jesus
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is appearing to people he's notthere very long.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
That's why they believe that he was like divine
or something.
I think one of our responderswrites a vision.
So were there?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
mushrooms on the walk to.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Damascus.
Yeah, did he run into somepeyote?
What kind?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
of psychedelics did they have back then and did they
know?
Maybe he ate a bad piece offruit?
I know.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I know, but again.
So this would be number, Idon't know 20 million of a man
having a vision.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And everybody believes it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Everybody's like cool , you can like write the rest of
this book.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Rhoda, though she sees something.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
No one gave a shit about Rhoda.
They're like you, didn't seethat.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
She's like yeah and the dude's right outside and
he's right here and they're likeoh, hey, yeah, I mean, come on.
So Paul saw Jesus, and now he'sessentially a prophet, but they
call him an apostle, an apostle, an apostle.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Here's a quick cue.
So, and I never even thought ofthis when I was going to
catechism.
So Jesus came back from thedead.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Then what happens?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think he was just like.
Did he go on like a?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
world tour.
I know Did he go back in thething.
I know one guy didn't believeit was and he stuck his hand in
the wound.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I love that part Doubting Thomas.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Doubting Thomas.
He's like let me see that wound, Let me, stick my hand in there
.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh hey, jesus, it is you.
Do you have a napkin?
He's like no, but I got thisloincloth, like I'm telling you.
If I ran into you I knew youhad been stabbed.
I would not ask to stick myhand in did he do it with his
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like hand wound, yeah I rememberthis so, but after that so he
came again.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
He rose then where did he go?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Did he go visit his?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
mother.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, what did he?
Do he?
Just, it depends on who saw him.
See, we don't have.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Jesus's point of view .
And then if he went somewhereafter and people keep on talking
about how he's going to comeback, I'm like, well, where is
he, where'd he go?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, and why wouldn't he go see the woman
that dressed him and put him inthe tomb and like stayed with
him while he was being tortured?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Why wouldn't he go see Pontius Pilate, or who's the
dude that sent him?
Was it Pontius?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Pilate.
No, pontius Pilate just waslike I didn't kill him, you did,
okay, okay, he was like I'm notgoing to do it.
You have him, but yeah hewasn't that way and maybe
there's a hidden Bible bookthat's called the Revenge Tour
of the Commie J.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He was not a revenge.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But I think he would hopefully go see the women that
like were at his feet.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You'd think, yeah, he probably just went to go play
like fantasy football with hisdude friends.
Just ran into people on theroad to Damascus.
I really need to know andthere's got to be.
Actually, I have to ask some.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So they give you the letters.
They give you the letters thatPaul wrote, but why wouldn't
they give me?
I want his full.
I want the dissertation of whenhe saw Jesus.
Yeah, we're going to get intothat.
Where's that book?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
They're like, if you have to ask, you don't believe
and you're just going to hell.
What we do have in this epistle, which is a letter, thanks
Joanna to the Romans.
It was this weird they pickedRomans 16.
I'm like 16.
16.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh, X V I One through what like 13?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Something like that One through 15.
Oh, my eyes so.
But it's just like I commendunto you Phoebe, our sister, and
he's just like saluting andgiving props to people and I was
like, is this like an Oscarspeech?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, well, he's like hey guys, I want you to thank
all these people.
So he came into town, wrotethis letter and basically, like
this is, I'm assuming, like hisspeech, like he gave a speech
and they wrote it down and thenthey were like we better
preserve this, put that in withthe other good books.
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But yeah, I thought his letterwas really good because it was
like hey guys, you got to likeall these people because they've
helped me and a lot of themwere women.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
A lot of them were women.
It was like woman, woman, womanand names Priscilla, Mary,
Trafina and Trifosa.
Yeah, and then Rufus's mom yeah, and his own mom Right.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And Julia and Olympus , ne, his own mom, right, and
Julia and Olympus, nearest hissister.
Yeah, all these chicks, chicksand he's like.
You need to assist them becausethey're amazing and that's.
Especially.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Phoebe, phoebe.
And so that's what Elizabethwrites in her short.
She just has a two paragraphresponse.
Elizabeth writes in her shortshe just has a two-paragraph
response Phoebe was a deaconessand was probably employed in
visiting the sick and inteaching the women in the
doctrines of the church.
It is just a short selectionand Elizabeth writes and then we
also have her responses EBD, Ilove her.
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Ebd, I love her, and it reallythis is about they selected this
to say again.
We're seeing women were anintegral part of all of this.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
You won't let us be at the head of the church and
you won't let us be in thegovernment.
But here, here's your hero,paul, saying hey, look at all
these ladies and they are thebest, they're the best.
And she says in good works, menhave always found a reserved
force in the women of theirgeneration.
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Paul seems to have beenspecifically mindful of all who
had received hospitably andhospitably entertained him, and
then goes on to say men havealways been thankful to women.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
The last sentence For serving them.
Yeah, men have always beenthankful to women.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes, the last sentence For serving them, yeah.
And then he says then she saysthen the Marys, the Phoebes and
the Priscilla's are ordered tokeep silence and to discuss all
questions with their husbands athome, taking it for granted
that all men are logical andwise.
Ooh, that's the Elizabeth Iknow and love.
Snap, snap, snap.
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That's the Elizabeth I know andlove.
Snap, snap, snap.
Yes, snap it.
Yeah, like thanks for the props, but can we like have some
backup?
so that I can have like my spaceat the table.
Women want their space.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
EBD's response is even more of a takedown.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, she's like a real academic, I feel.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yes, you know even the way she writes.
She really is Her firstsentence I loved.
Already Martin Luther had goodcause to declare there is
something in the office of abishop which is dreadfully
demoralizing.
Even good men change theirnatures at consecration.
Satan enters into them, as heentered into Judas, as soon as
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they've taken the sop yeah, andthere was a lot so funny.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I looked up martin luther because he's the guy that
started lutheranism yes yeah,even back then, all the
corruption, it was crazy corrupt.
And um, it was at the time ofum, when they weren't picking a
pope and everything.
And he was like you all arecorrupt, like I'm getting out.
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And even back then he wassaying and Martin Luther was
born in 1483, died in 1546.
And he was like listen,catholics, you've gone bad,
you've gone corrupt.
And he pulled out and did somereforming.
And then there's Lutheranism.
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Lutheranism.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Lutheranism.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But he was seeing the corruption and the
weaponization of the church oncivil matters that aren't
spiritual, so he wasn't havingit.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
He wasn't having it, but we all know what prevailed.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah it's still around.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
This part I like too.
There is strong reason tobelieve that the apostle
Priscilla, in cooperation withher husband, the apostle Aquila,
performed the important task offounding the Church of Rome,
For Paul, writing to theChristians, admits that he
himself has not yet visited thatcity.
There's no proof whatever thatPeter ever went to Rome at all,
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but, on the contrary, much proofthat he wished to confine
Christianity to Jewish converts.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, so they split off, even from Paul, and they
were like well, everybody should.
I mean it's so funny becausethey so Paul came and stayed
with those two and they taughthim tent making.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And then they were like, yeah, I get it.
I love this Jesus guy too.
You know, I love it.
I want everybody to hear abouthis wonderful.
He's a wonderful human, there'sno doubt, right, he's the best
of the best.
Um, great, sure, he's notwithout flaw, but got some great
lessons.
And then, um, but paul was likeonly only jews that convert.
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And they were like, no, anybody, anybody oh yeah, come to come
to um catholicism.
So yeah, they think thatPriscilla started the Roman
Catholic Church.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And I know which is nuts and women still can't be
priests, I know.
They're like that was too crazy.
I think I did look into this,oh you did Because.
I get so involved in this bookthat I'm like this was 130 years
ago.
I'm sure some people haveupdated.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And there's some people that say that is not
entirely true.
But I read their reasoning oh,what was it?
I was like it was thin.
Oh, they're just like.
That's not true.
She probably did help with it,and I'm like the church, is that
what she helped with?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That didn't exist in rome until she was there, right,
so spreading the good word.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
It would be good again if we have any of our
biblical scholar peoplelistening I love you guys
because you know there's peoplethat really know that stuff.
I'd love to know the updated.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, because it's funny I was looking for some
information and they'll say theydon't use names though, like
and, and obviously it'sWikipedia or whatever.
But even in the little Biblesthey'll say the most alerted
historians of the Bible wouldsay that, but there's no names.
And I'm like how do they?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I know who picks Is this like the.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oscars of biblical history.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And when I do research and find stuff, even on
some of the religious sites orchurch sites, I'm like how are
people not insulted by some ofthis stuff?
Because it's so simplified thatthey don't even get into any of
these details.
That's why I'm like we need thescholars.
But it says here and recognizesa church of Rome as established
in Priscilla's own house SeePaul's letter to the Romans,
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chapter 16.
It is highly probable that thatwas the tiny acorn from which
has grown the present great oak,the Roman Catholic Church.
I mean it makes sense of modernmen to comprehend.
The position of women in theprimitive church is strikingly
shown in Chalmers' commentary onthe fact that Paul used exactly
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the same title in addressingPriscilla that he uses in
Greeting Urbane Chalmers.
Oh, I don't have my note on him.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He created the gap theory, that's okay.
He well, he didn't create it.
He discovered the gap of timein Genesis, between Genesisesis
one, genesis two.
So the genesis where they werejust like there was land, water,
blah, blah, blah.
Men, not men and women, justlike human right, um.
And then the one that was likeadam and eve and the rib right
(20:17):
and stuff right, there's a hugegap and that's Chalmers doing.
And he was Scottish.
He was born in 1780, died in1847.
So his gap theory was probablynear the end of his life, middle
end, but yeah, so like 50 yearsbefore the book was out.
Yeah, very influential.
So, the gap theory was probablypretty fresh.
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The gap, yeah, the gap.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I wonder if that's what the store is named after.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm sure We'll just say it is we're like and that's
how the Blue.
Jean Company came to be and theGap's going to be like ah, I
had another quote underlinedwith like lightning bolts near
it.
Oh, even though you probablydid, too.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But you know what?
I do not have lightning bolts,but I do have colors, okay good.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It is manifestly due to the modern prejudice which
renders the Paul-worshiping maleProtestants incapable of
comprehending that, our greatapostle that's in quotes, by the
way our great apostle.
Ebd does not like Paul.
Quotes, by the way, our greatapostle EBD does not like Paul,
that's why we're in the.
You can tell she's like oh, sucha great apostle.
Paul was not great, Was not agreat apostle at all in those
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days, but a simple, self-senttentmaker with a vigorous spirit
who gladly shared the apostolicdignity with all the good women
he could rally to hisassistance.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, Chalmers brought up again because yeah,
mm-hmm, mm-hmm Chalmers broughtup again because he conjectures
that if Priscilla really didhelp Paul, it must have been as
a teacher of women and children,even when the fact stares him
in the face that she was arecognized teacher of the man
whom Paul specially andemphatically pronounces his own,
(22:04):
equal.
And she's like okay, chalmers,nice job on the gap, but you're
not going to give women props.
You're seeing the gap hey.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Chalmers, look at that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
RIP, by the way, because he was already dead.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, by the way, chalmers.
By the way, ebd always comeswith receipts in parentheses.
She's like compare here hereand she's like check out.
Acts, check out Corinthians andshe gives those.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's what I mean.
She's like I got mine.
She's like I know this shit,come on.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you know this shit ?
That's what she's saying, yeah,and she does know it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I love it.
There are a ton of women andPaul and I think he's not that
great is saying it, so they'relike you love Paul.
You're saying Paul created this.
Listen to all those women.
Why can't we Come on Seriously?
Wake up, I know Wake up, wakeup, which would almost make me
like, but it all makes sense inthis next one.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I know I'm like which would almost, that would almost
make me like Paul.
Until we get to this.
Yeah, yeah.
Epistles to the Corinthians.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know what I should have looked up, how far
apart in years were theseletters?
Like okay, you went and talkedto the Romans and then all of a
sudden you go to the Corinthiansand you're like a total,
where's your props to the womennow?
Now you're like it's all aboutmarriage and women have like no
power.
Maybe he had a bad breakup?
Oh yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Mm-hmm.
I would like to know thedifference.
I need to know this.
I need to know this.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, because then all of a sudden he's like okay,
you got husbands and wives andyou should never leave.
Each other ever leaves becauseshe might leave, she has to
never get married and you needto just you have to live as a
spinster.
And then the men you reallyshouldn't leave your wife either
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.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Let me.
This is the part that so we'retalking about.
So this is Corinthians 7.
Yeah, 2 through 16, somethinglike that, don't worry about it,
you're not going to really readthe Bible, just kidding.
Two through 16, something likethat, don't worry about it,
you're not going to really readthe bible, just two through 16.
But the best is.
But if she depart, let herremain unmarried or be
reconciled to her husband andlet not the husband put away his
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wife.
And I'm like I have somequestions yeah, what's put, what
is put away in In a coffin.
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I know.
And why the different language?
Because it says above it.
It says Unto the married, Icommand let not the wife depart
from her husband and then, yeah,put away his wife.
What the yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And unto the married I command.
Yet not I, but the Lord oh yeah, the Lord said it the Let, not
I, but the Lord.
Oh yeah, the Lord said it, theLord said it.
And I'm like when?
Because nobody else said hesaid this crap.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, he, you know, he met him.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Trust me, he met him, but the Lord let not the wife
depart from her husband.
And the very first, the firstline, I think it's Corinthians 7
, too Let every man have his ownwife and let every woman have
her own husband, every womanhave her own husband.
Let the husband render unto thewife due benevolence, and
likewise also the wife and thehusband.
Which sounds nice, that's nice.
This sounds nice.
Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And then they're like you can never like if a woman
leaves you can't ever getmarried.
The men don't have that becausebasically they're like men,
just don't leave her.
And then if your spouse doesnot believe in the Lord, don't
leave them because you're theredemption.
But he switches because he saidthe Lord said you know the wife
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shouldn't depart.
And then it says but to therest speak I, not the Lord.
So this is just Paul, he's like.
This is my own idea here.
If any brother hath a wife thatbelieveth not and she be
pleased to dwell with him, don'tput her away because you'll
save.
You want to have any money.
You don't want her out on theown, telling people not to
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believe, don't put her away.
Don't put her away.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Even though we don't know what that means.
This is all very confusing.
I don't know how modern peopleare like.
Well, the Bible says I'm likeyou don't fucking know you read
it and interpret.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Tell me, put away.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, you put somebody away.
Give me a break, Elizabeth says.
The people appear to have beenspecially anxious to know what
the Christian idea was in regardto the question of marriage.
The Pythagoreans taught thatmarriage was unfavorable to high
intellectual development.
Oh yeah, I read about them alittle bit, maybe I'm.
Pythagorean.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I was like Pythagoreans.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know what they believed in.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
What?
Yes, math, math, everything wasmath.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Everything is math.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, and they believed in reincarnation.
Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, whateverhappened to them, they triangled
out.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's hard.
I would have met them.
Oh my God, you're like theoctagon right out of here, I
think.
So Okay, well, should I even?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Let's just recap.
Well, let's just tell them whathappened.
I know we're going to let thecat out the bag.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
We are going to let the cat out the bag.
We are going to let the cat outthe bag.
We just had a lovelyconversation.
We had the greatest tangentthat I think, opened a portal to
understanding the universe, themeaning of life, jane Goodall.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Oh my God, it was so good.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, and it's gone because we had a little
recording issue.
But here we are, look at us.
But here we are.
But I think we were tangentingabout the Pythag Pythagorean.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The Pythagoreans and their love of math.
And not getting married Right,because it hinders the expansion
of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And then the part that didn't get recorded is I
put a call out to the galaxythat I'm gonna bring
pythagorealism back.
Yeah, it was great, so fractalsthere were fractals, so you
just missed a whole tangent wewere basically scientists, but
yeah we were, but it's good.
So now we have this and we'rejust back here to talk about
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religion.
Was that what I was?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
going to say no, no, we're here to talk about Paul
and his fallacies, his fallacies.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But the marriage question was a big whoop-dee-doo
.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And this is the important part, let me read this
quote from Elizabeth CadyStanton, her last sentence oh
yes, that is important.
There are no restrictions inthe scriptures on divorced
persons marrying again, thoughmany improvised by human laws
are spoken of, as in the Bible.
Yeah, and we hear that all thetime, and that's what the family
values the family values, crapwhere people are like well,
that's just, you know, it's notbiblical or Christian.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm like none of that crap is written in there.
None of it More importantly BigJ.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It says stay in bad marriages.
Yeah, it does say stay in badmarriages.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
To protect other people from getting into them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, exactly, and Big J doesn't mention anything
about that crap.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Because they're like you should just be a monk.
Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You got to give it all up to the Lord.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
If you get married it's a whole hot mess.
You start liking the otherperson and doing stuff for them.
Exactly, and where's the Lord?
In the dust?
Exactly, and that's pretty muchwhat our other favorite
contributors is talking about.
Anon Anonymous, in her response, talks about this.
It's like the idea that it'sbetter to love the Lord than to
love your wife or husband isinfinitely absurd.
Nobody ever did love the Lord.
Nobody can, until he becomesacquainted with him.
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St Paul also tells us that manis in the image and glory of God
, but woman is the glory of man.
And for the purpose ofsustaining this position he says
For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created forthe woman, but the woman for
the man.
That reminds me of like pick apepper, pick a pepper.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
How many peppers did you pick?
Pick a pepper.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Of course we can all see that man could have gotten
along well enough without women,like duh.
And yet this is called, quoteunquote inspired.
And this Apostle Paul issupposed to have known more than
all the people who now are uponthe earth.
Come on, no wonder Paul, atlast, was constrained to say we
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are fools, for Christ's sake.
We're just playing the fool.
I know I like my note when itsays inspired.
I was like ha, Because it'slike, yeah, it's used as so even
Paul has to be like.
You know, the man doesn't needa woman.
It's like, yeah, OK.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
OK.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Totally Same, Reverso Same same.
Like it's not a big deal, let'sdo it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, then what's your problem with divorce?
Right, and why can't I have myland?
I don't get it.
It doesn't say anything aboutthat.
Yeah, and I also thought it wasinteresting because he's
writing these letters Jesus isalready dead, yet all of these
things that he's talking aboutare from the Old Testament and
Genesis.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, like this next thing.
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean tocut you off.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, no, she even said it there.
Like man is not of the woman,but woman of the man.
That's the rib story.
That's a bunch of hoo-ha.
It's a whole bunch of hoo-ha.
It's a bunch of hoo-ha.
And it's been proven and yetit's still holding up in the
court of law in 1895.
I know 2025.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I know 2025, going back there.
But don't worry, because we'vegot a lot more sense in this
next passage.
That makes no sense.
Lots of head covering.
Yeah, this is a head coveringpassage.
It's in Corinthians 11, 3through 15.
And this is gobbledygook.
I can't even say what it is.
I was trying.
This is gobbledygook.
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I can't even say what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It is gobbledygook.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I was trying to say gobbledygook, gobbledygook it
really is and it just talksabout.
But I would have you know thatthe head of every man is Christ
and the head of the woman is theman, and the head of Christ is
God.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, my head is a man, chill the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Paul Like what.
And also why we mention thisReading that every man praying
or prophesying having his headcovered dishonor his head.
Every woman that prayeth orprophesies with her head
uncovered dishonor her head.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So men are uncovered, women are covered, right, why?
And then we go and then hetalks about.
It is literally gobbledygook.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
But it goes back to the idea that angels can get at
women's hair, which is again OldTestament, old Testament stuff.
So for this cause, ought thewoman to have power on her head
because of the angels?
But wait.
So she has power, but you gottacover it.
But wait so, she has power, butyou got to cover it.
What are you trying to tell us?
Oh, cover your power.
I'm into you, paul.
I see what's going on.
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I'm into your shit.
Doth not even nature itselfreach you that if a man have
long hair, it is a shame untohim, but if a woman have long
hair, it is glory to her, forher hair is given her for a
covering, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, really bizarre.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And that's when we talked about.
You know, I can think of onegentleman that I stared at for a
good what 10, 13 years as a kidwho had really long hair on a
crucifix yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He did.
Mr Jesus had long flowy hair.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yep, he looked like a sexy hippie, yeah, he should
have covered hair.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yep, he looked like a sexy hippie.
Yeah, he should have covered itbecause he kind of looked like
a woman I know.
Yeah, you got to cut that hairShould have gave him a veil.
It's just so, elizabeth, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, where she says, though these directions appear
to be very frivolous even forthose times, they are much more
so for our stage of civilization.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, so for our stage of civilization.
Yeah, like it was frivolousthen and more ridiculous now.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And they were still wearing.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
they couldn't go to church, You'd get excommunicated
.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But it does seem like all general, like culture.
I'm thinking of Americaspecifically.
Okay, but this is probably theworld over.
There are people that justbelieve in, like you know,
they're fundamentalists.
Like the foundational text,just like the constitutionalists
.
Like this is how it's writtenand thus it will forever be, and
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that allows for no changes inlanguage resources, traditions,
like it's just, it's so silly,yeah, because Especially a book
that's 2000 years old.
Yeah, so much has silly.
Yeah, because so much,especially a book that's 2,000
years old.
Yeah, so much has changed.
Yeah, some stuff has changed.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
The one thing that hasn't changed is the corruption
of human men.
Yeah, yeah, Some women, but Ifeel like they're just following
like.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, please, I wish they're just looking at the
coattails.
I mean, they're evil.
Yeah, never forget Ginny Thomas, but you know, but she's
married to you, know, whatever?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
She's getting it done .
I guess she's getting it done.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Anyways, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And the canon law even uses these Paul-type things
to show the superiority, theauthority and the headship of
man and the humility andsubservience of women.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
After that it says the aristocracy in social life
requires the same badge ofrespect of all female servants.
In Europe they uniformly wearcaps, and in many families in
America, though, under protestafter learning its significance.
Yeah, like maids always hadcaps on.
Yeah, come protest afterlearning its significance.
Yeah.
Yeah, like maids always hadcaps on.
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Yeah, come on and creeps.
Yeah, and I have this partunderlined.
Maybe I don't know if this isin one of your color
highlighters- oh, I'm sure it is.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Go for it.
It is certainly high time thateducated women in a republic
should rebel against a custombased on the supposition of
their heaven-ordained subjection.
Jesus is always represented ashaving long, curling hair, and
so is the Trinity.
Imagine a painting of all thesegods with clipped hair flowing
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robes and beautiful hair andclipped hair.
Flowing robes and beautifulhair add greatly to the beauty
and dignity of these pictures.
And she's like so why pull fromme?
Like you, love these photos?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
You love these photos .
I got to cover mine.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, but you want to look at his.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Oh, what's going on there?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Mm-hmm, yeah, e-c-hmm , yeah, e-c-s.
She was just ahead of her time.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And this is L-S who is our gal, louisa Southworth,
and she was, like the women'svoting activist in Cleveland,
ohio.
I love Cleveland, I loveCleveland.
The injunctions of St Paul havehad such a decided influence in
fixing the legal status ofwomen that it is worth our while
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to consider their source.
In dealing with this question,we must never forget that the
majority of the writings of theNew Testament were not really
written or published by thosewhose names they hear.
Ancient writers considered itquite permissible for a man to
put out letters under the nameof another and thus bring his
own ideas before the world underthe protection of an honored
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sponsor.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
And that is highly respected.
Now, basically, there are 14letters assigned to Paul, but
the scholarly consensus that'swhat I mean like who decides who
?
The scholarly consensus is, butthey hold that of the 14
letters, only seven were writtenby Paul.
Oh really, corinthians was oneof them.
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So we are right in thinking.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Paul.
So we are right for not likingPaul.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Wah, wah.
Paul, corinthians, Romans,philippians, philemon, galatians
and Thessalonians.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
The others, most likely written by a disciple
using his name to carry theauthority.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Okay, yeah, okay, and she continues.
It is not usually claimed thatSt Paul was the originator of
the great religious movementcalled Christianity, but there's
strong belief that he wasdivinely inspired, probably
where you're like.
He saw him, he saw Jesus.
His inward persuasions, andespecially his visions, appeared
as a gift or endowment whichhad the force of inspiration.
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There we go, that magical, justexperience that a man had on
his own.
Everybody believes it.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Therefore, his mandates concerning women have a
strong hold upon the popularmind, and when opponents to the
equality of the sexes are put tobay, they glibly quote his
injunctions glibly.
These women throughout.
We hadn't seen this in a while.
But the women say they're likethis is the type of shit they're
throwing back at us when we'retrying to, you know, argue for
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equality and they're like well,Paul said and she's like he
didn't even say it, it was somelike rando.
Yeah, Also, he didn't even knowBig Jay.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Big Jay wasn't even allowed.
Oh I mean he ran into him, sawhis ghost, but it's kind of iffy
.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Also.
Are we trusting ghosts now?
Also, are we trusting ghostsnow?
Come on, yeah, use your noodle,you know Come on.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
LS congratulates herself.
We congratulate ourselves thatwe may shift some of these
biblical arguments that have hadsuch a sinister effect from
their firm foundations and youknow they have.
He who claims to give a messagemust satisfy us that he himself
has received such a message.
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The origin of the command thatwomen should cover their heads
is found in an old Jewish orHebrew legend which appears in
literature for the first time inGenesis.
There we are told that the sonsof God, that is, the angels,
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took to wives and daughters ofmen and begat the giants and the
heroes who were instrumental inbringing about the flood.
So she's like Paul.
they already did this in the OldTestament yeah, we covered this
, just like you had us cover ourheads and this is like so basic
and so right in your face,scholars and politicians, so the
whole covering of the head, allthis crap.
You're so in love with Paul,think he created Christianity
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and he's just restating what wasin the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I know, I know People conservatives love that crap.
It's weird they just tell usthe same stuff over and over
again.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Give it to me, yeah, give it to me from someone else.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
If the command to keep silence in the churches has
no higher origin than to keepcovered in public, should so
much weight be given it, orshould it be so often quoted as
having divine sanction?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, you're like.
Let me answer that for you,louisa.
No, ma'am, no, so we got ourlast.
This is only two verses.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Corinthians 14.
My note to this verse is barfyeah, because it's like shut up,
ladies, it is, why are youspeaking?
It actually says let your womenkeep silence in the churches,
for it is not permitted untothem to speak, but they are
commanded to be under obedience,as also saith the law.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So this is my take.
Okay, because I read ECS wrapsit up, but, like so, paul is
traveling around.
He's trying to say I saw Jesus,listen to me.
There's some women that arelogical thinkers and they're in
the church and they're like guys.
Guys, I know Paul, come on yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
They're like they're listening to Paul the tent guy.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Paul, like he didn't even put up the pole.
I mean it was falling and itgot wet, yeah, but yeah, because
what the heck, what the heck.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
And this, the other verses, and if they will learn
anything, let them ask theirhusbands at home, for it is a
shame for women to speak in thechurch.
Okay, I won't go to church.
Yeah, get bent, paul, I don'tlike kick me out, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
so basically it says, the church at Cornuth was
peculiarly given to diversionand disputation, and women were
apt to join in by golly and asktroublesome questions.
That's what we're here for.
Oh dang, those women wereasking Troublesome questions you
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was asking some troubles.
Men, shut your women up, yep.
Let your woman keep the silence.
That's literally how it is tothis very day.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
They're literally like.
You cannot question us becauseeverything I believe about
myself will crumble.
Yeah, my masculinity, whichespecially American masculinity,
completely relies on womenbeing like, of them not being
women.
Yeah so it's like you guys,it's so weak.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
There's other ways to live.
Yeah, it's a sad, sad situation, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Which is why, when I think about you know, I often
comment about the comments weget for like feminist posts or
see others and so many men arelike well, if you didn't have
men, this and this and that, I'mlike where did you get the idea
that that's what feminism means?
Like they do no work orresearch or thinking about it
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whatsoever, they just think thatif women have power, they're
going to die or implode theyliterally think that.
I think from their soul.
It's so threatening to them.
I'm like there's nothing aboutfeminism.
That's like that means menshould be erased.
It's more like can you guysstop fucking with us?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Murdering us.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Taking away our rights, like would that be cool,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, murdering us, yeah, taking away our rights,
like would that be cool?
Like I love it, like maybe youknow, keeping my body alive, to
keep a womb alive while I'm dead, that's a little creepy.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
That's creepy.
We're not even included inmedical research and like data
stuff, I mean you're like comeon Completely, but they can't
even so the response to thatalways is like well, it says in
the Bible that you can't talk.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Paul said you're not supposed to talk, yeah, so you
can't have equal rights.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I mean so sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I love this and talk to your husband, but also don't
get married Also, because giveit to the Lord, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I mean how it's who?
No wonder, a lot of people thatare super, you know, like
literalists or fundamentalists,like that's why they're so
miserable.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, there's a lot, I hope that their brain hurts
when they, when they're liketrying to make it all connect.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think they just let the priest do that for them.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Just they just tell me like mymouth, yeah, just do this.
I actually just saw a jordan,jordan klepper thing where he
was like, oh, so you just liketo listen to him.
And the kid was, it was a kidon a college campus and he was
like, yeah, I, uh, you know, I,he just, this guy put stuff in
the um into words that I becauseI don't really understand the
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stuff and Jordan Klepper's likeso you're just repeating what he
said.
And he's like, well, yeah,because he says it so much, and
then, and then I can memorize it, and then I can say it and I
sound good.
And he's like, but you don'tknow what you're saying.
He's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Wow, and I mean it wasn't a young kid, he was like
early 20s, so like that's why alot of the A little depressing,
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I think that's why Joe Rogan and stuff is so
popular, because he'll have somepeople on and they will have
you.
It's almost likepseudo-intellectual discussions
and it makes people feel likethey're really like, yeah,
learning stuff.
I just saw a um video essay onhow americans like love to think
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that billionaires know a lotabout physics.
Oh what, but you know what I'mtalking about, like you see.
You see, like elon and bezosand zuckerberg, and they're just
like quantum fields and blah,blah, and none of those fuckers
know anything about that.
Elon didn't even have anundergraduate in physics.
Yeah, but just people that haveand that is a very highly
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skilled intellectual pursuit.
Like people that are physicists, have doctorate degrees.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, and all Elon does is go hey, I like what
you're doing.
Can I take it and not give youany credit?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, even worse than that.
Well, this is why I'm like thisdoes go along with your point.
Worse than that, they'll talklike they know about it because
they know, like, some of thepieces of the language.
And so then you have peoplethat are just like, yeah, oh,
he's so smart, so smart, he's sosmart.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
He builds rockets that blow up land in the Gulf of
America I know it is actuallyappropriate that they changed it
to Gulf of America and all thatshit just keeps falling in it.
It's great, it's great.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I think that this tangent is because it is funny
that they're like women need tobe quiet so that whenever we
talk, we sound like we're reallysuper smart, yeah, and they
don't ask questions.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That we can't answer, because that makes me feel
really bad.
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Like they're like wait.
Paul said he saw Jesus on theroad to Damascus.
Was anybody there?
And they're like shh, yeah, shh, you have to're like shh, yeah,
Shh.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You have to like cover your head and your mouth,
Put your head down.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, put your head down and have a baby.
Shoot me out a baby.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Elizabeth says the apostle took it for granted that
all men were wise enough togive women the necessary
information on all subjects, asif like just because like you
married a dude is like he's alsoneeds, like just knows
everything.
He's so smart, it's so smart.
I love the last things.
Um, actually, this wholeparagraph is good.
The whole thing is good.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
We don't read the rest of it um.
Others again advise wives neverto discuss naughty points with
their husbands love phrase, forif they should chance to differ
from each other, that fact mightgive rise to much domestic
infelicity, which is isn't thatnice.
I love it.
People are not going to getalong if you question that they
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might not know what they'retalking about.
Right, right, and it'll be mucheasier if just the women don't
talk.
Yeah, like, how did the womenget chosen?
I know.
Oh yeah, go ahead.
No, go, go go.
There is such a wide differenceof opinion on this point among
wise men that perhaps it wouldbe as safe to leave women to be
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guided by their own unassistedcommon sense.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
She's so sassy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
She is.
What does Donald Trump put atthe end of?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
it.
Thank you for your attention tothis matter.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Thank you for your attention to this matter ECS
Boom and thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Oh my gosh, I'm going to start tweeting now as ECS
and be like thank you for yourattention to this matter and
thank you for your attention tothis matter, ecs.
So there you know what I did.
I loved reading these becausethis was finally more of a like
bitey thing.
Yeah, Because the last couplethings we read I was like, well,
that's not so.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And this is very relevant and it's really
affecting them and us.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Woo, we did it, we did it, we did it.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
We did it and we even did it twice.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
We did it, we did it, we did it, we did it and we
even did it twice.
We did it and we did it twice.
And I want to know did that?
You know, did anybody have astress ball or get mad?
Even though I'm, like, Iimagine our lovely listeners are
like, we're not mad because wealready know that people think
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
It's like more of a validation.
Yeah, yes, but it is.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
I knew Paul was a douche, but it's great to know,
like the source.
It's incredible that we stillhave cultural norms and laws
that are from this, likebullshit.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, it's crazy, it's nuts, and I don't think
Jesus would like it.
I don't think he'd like it onebit, not at all.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
It doesn't matter, paul didn't see him Also.
He's one dude, one guy, one guy.
What about the bajillions ofpeople that have lived since?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, we don't like it Amazing lovely people.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
We don't like it, so I can't wait to see so in our
next episode the epistles to theEphesians and Philippians.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Philippians, is that?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
what it is the.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Philippians-offs.
They're not the Filipinos.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I can't wait to see what those say.
I can't wait, you know.
And then we're also going tocover Timothy and we're just
wondering what will they sayLike will they tell us what to
do with our shoes, our lawns?
Who Wondering what will theysay Like will they tell us what
to do with our shoes, our lawns?
Who knows what the men have instore?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Did Paul write these too, I?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
don't know.
Paul did all the letters.
He did, but not really.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Right, but I'm just saying like in common Okay, okay
, it's probably his people thatcame after him.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We do know our Victorian feminists will meet
them with cracking wit andacademic astuteness.
So be sure to turn back in Turn.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Don't turn back in.
Don't turn back in, althoughyou could turn it in.
Don't get put away.
Don't get put away.
Don't get put away.
Tune in.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
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We never do that no rules.
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Speaker 2 (51:17):
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Wide.
Wide yes, so until the nextepisode hold your head high and
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We're like we went low withthat get low, get low.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Have a good week, we'll see you Thank you.
Hi, I'm Sarah Kay.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And I'm Joanna V.
Oh stop, Thanks for coming.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Stop, no, sit down.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sit down.
No, sit Stop, come on, I loveyou.
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I did that.
Buying all the apples.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's the podcast.
That surreptitious serpentwarned you about.
Welcome to Biting All the Apples, where two gals discuss one
radical book, the best-sellingcritical and comedic masterpiece
from 1895, the Woman's Bible,by Elizabeth Cady Stanton.
I'm Sarah Kay, I'm Joanna B,shoo-wee, shoo-wee, shoo-wee.
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We had an unexpected pause dueto a temporary illness caused by
traveling with children andtheir novel back-to-school germs
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But we are back Back.
We are back Back with the big Bthe Bible, the Woman's Bible.
We are back back with the big Bthe Bible, the woman's Bible.
And in this episode we areresponding to our Victorian
ladies' analysis of the Romansand the Corinthians.
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Love those Greeks.
You're going to want to have astress squeeze ball on the ready
, or maybe a stiff drink, ifthat's your thing, because they
get into what some old guysprescribe for marriage and head
coverings.
It's not cool and it's not evenstuff.
The bearded lord said thebearded lord.
I was like there needs to bemore nicknames for him, I love
(01:51):
it.
Sometimes I call him Big Jay.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh, Big Jay.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Big.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Jay, you know about Big Jay right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Or sometimes I call him Commie Jay.
Commie Jay, yeah, nah, but likewith other fallacies and
misinterpretations in this2,000-year-old book, the
messages and influence stillaffect us to this very day, and
we're glad to have you with uson this very day.
Welcome, welcome, that's right.
Since it's been a minute, howabout we refresh everyone on our
(02:18):
disclaimers?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Here we go.
Biting all the apples coversanalysis of religious texts.
Some listeners that arereligious out of the need for
the illusion of certainty mayfind the content offensive.
Biting All the Apples alsodiscusses historic texts and
feminist movements.
We recognize that individuals,groups and alternative movements
have been left out ofmainstream history.
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We will note that wheneverpossible, we are open to
additional information providedto us in the spirit of expanding
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ooh, how's your knowledge spirit?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, you know, in a world where knowledge is
disappearing, like in ourmuseums, my knowledge is going
great.
I'm looking, but I am afraidit's disappearing.
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That's why we I got to gather it, gather it and
disperse it.
Yeah, let it, it is.
That's why we I got to gatherit, gather it and disperse it.
Yeah, let it out there.
That's what we're doing rightnow.
Yeah, that's my purpose.
I'm about to disperse a cough.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Ooh, I think something came up.
Sarah Kay, put it over there tothe side.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Ooh, I'm on a long.
It feels like a long recovery,but I guess seven days is.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's average Seven to ten.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Seven to ten for a gnarly.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Fourteen to lose all the mucus Really?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
At least in my, in your mucus experience, yeah,
which is extensive.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I have extensive knowledge.
I am highly qualified.
I am, yeah, I think about mucusa lot.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like, because it really is.
It's fascinating that you canproduce so much.
Women can make babies, but allof us can make mucus.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
All of us can make mucus, and sometimes so much we
could maybe make mucus babies.
It feels like we could be doingsomething with mucus.
Could that be like analternative energy?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
situation.
I mean there's a lot of mucusin the world, yeah especially
right now.
It just gets put into tissuepapers.
It's got to stop.
I think it could be analternative fuel source.
Has anybody looked into this?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I think we're starting it right now If we
didn't have to like fiddlefaddle around with dumb
political crap.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We could be talking about serious solutions.
Who needs fossil fuels whenevery human on this planet is
producing?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
the next fuel source, and if you need to let the
mucus fossilize first, okay, letit go.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
How do we do that?
We'll get it to the container.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I love this idea.
I do too.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm calling all my chemical engineering peeps that
are looking for a new thing.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Especially whatever's going around right now.
So much, so much.
There's so much happening.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Just falls right out of.
Keeps going yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, I hope you don't catch it.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, you know, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Try not to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I got the air purifiers.
I got the.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Lysols.
Doesn't RFK think germs don'texist?
I mean he must.
Or viruses?
There's some misinformation,some I don't mean, pardon me.
I'm sorry, pardon me, I meantto be be like.
There's a specific um, what dothey call it?
The pipeline of healthmisinformation that leads people
to this belief that virusesdon't exist or germs don't exist
(05:36):
, something like that it'sprobably him, because he swam in
that cesspool with his, withhis grandchildren, yeah, yeah
and sadly, and has anybody heardfrom those kids?
I?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
haven't seen the kids .
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
He probably put them in a mucus farm, maybe he's in
on it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
He already knew our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He already knows what's going on.
Yeah, I was like you're likethere's always some
misinformation, always Just askosh, all of it.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
People are so weird.
Humans are.
Humans are weird.
They're not all the brightestbulbs in the boxes.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Nope, but I'll tell you mucus.
That is the future, oh man, Ibet we lost a bunch of people
with the mucus thing.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh sorry, no everybody.
You know what?
Everybody, and it's the timeEverybody went back to school.
Everybody, and it's the timeEverybody went back to school.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Everybody's were confined in buildings that have
terrible air quality.
So I'm like relax, grab a boxof Kleenex, because you are
going to be crying.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're going to cry when you hear about marriage
laws Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So we've got we're getting into it Every episode.
Now I'm like we're almost done.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I know it's kind of crazy.
I love this because I don'tthink I've highlighted a book
this much since I was anundergrad.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I used to never write in books.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I mean, I got my graduate, but by then I was like
I'm not highlighting that, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I got it when I was in grad school.
I was like please, heideggerand Foucault, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I'll tell you, Obviously.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'm a graduate student.
But this I need to highlightyeah, it's super good we have
the first again, couple shortchapters.
Yeah, how do we say this?
Epistle?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They're epistles, but basically Epistles to the
Romans, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's a letter.
I'm so glad that you're here.
Epistles to the Romans.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This is why I don't do this by myself A letter to
the Romans.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So it's a letter to the Romans.
Who's it from?
Paul, oh God.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Paul, oh, I guess.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, viewer, or sorry, listener.
Warning we're anti-Paul.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Totally, Like totally .
And I'm confused about thehistory of Paul because I'm
looking him up, I hear differentthings.
So I'm like even the historiansdon't know Right Like one time
I read he was born five yearsafter Jesus died.
I'd heard 30.
And then I read that he raninto Jesus two years after Jesus
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died.
Well, that doesn't make anysense.
Can somebody line this upappropriately and accurately.
Yeah, actually this brings up.
Why is it so hard to find outthe most important letters,
right?
And this dude didn't even meetJesus until he was already dead
and he came back and he just raninto him in the road.
I didn't read that deeply intoit, but I'm assuming when Jesus
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is appearing to people he's notthere very long.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
That's why they believe that he was like divine
or something.
I think one of our responderswrites a vision.
So were there?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
mushrooms on the walk to.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Damascus.
Yeah, did he run into somepeyote?
What kind?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
of psychedelics did they have back then and did they
know?
Maybe he ate a bad piece offruit?
I know.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I know, but again.
So this would be number, Idon't know 20 million of a man
having a vision.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And everybody believes it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Everybody's like cool , you can like write the rest of
this book.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Rhoda, though she sees something.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
No one gave a shit about Rhoda.
They're like you, didn't seethat.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
She's like yeah and the dude's right outside and
he's right here and they're likeoh, hey, yeah, I mean, come on.
So Paul saw Jesus, and now he'sessentially a prophet, but they
call him an apostle, an apostle, an apostle.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Here's a quick cue.
So, and I never even thought ofthis when I was going to
catechism.
So Jesus came back from thedead.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Then what happens?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think he was just like.
Did he go on like a?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
world tour.
I know Did he go back in thething.
I know one guy didn't believeit was and he stuck his hand in
the wound.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I love that part Doubting Thomas.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Doubting Thomas.
He's like let me see that wound, Let me, stick my hand in there
.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh hey, jesus, it is you.
Do you have a napkin?
He's like no, but I got thisloincloth, like I'm telling you.
If I ran into you I knew youhad been stabbed.
I would not ask to stick myhand in did he do it with his
(10:14):
like hand wound, yeah I rememberthis so, but after that so he
came again.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
He rose then where did he go?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Did he go visit his?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
mother.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, what did he?
Do he?
Just, it depends on who saw him.
See, we don't have.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Jesus's point of view .
And then if he went somewhereafter and people keep on talking
about how he's going to comeback, I'm like, well, where is
he, where'd he go?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, and why wouldn't he go see the woman
that dressed him and put him inthe tomb and like stayed with
him while he was being tortured?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Why wouldn't he go see Pontius Pilate, or who's the
dude that sent him?
Was it Pontius?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Pilate.
No, pontius Pilate just waslike I didn't kill him, you did,
okay, okay, he was like I'm notgoing to do it.
You have him, but yeah hewasn't that way and maybe
there's a hidden Bible bookthat's called the Revenge Tour
of the Commie J.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He was not a revenge.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But I think he would hopefully go see the women that
like were at his feet.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You'd think, yeah, he probably just went to go play
like fantasy football with hisdude friends.
Just ran into people on theroad to Damascus.
I really need to know andthere's got to be.
Actually, I have to ask some.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So they give you the letters.
They give you the letters thatPaul wrote, but why wouldn't
they give me?
I want his full.
I want the dissertation of whenhe saw Jesus.
Yeah, we're going to get intothat.
Where's that book?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
They're like, if you have to ask, you don't believe
and you're just going to hell.
What we do have in this epistle, which is a letter, thanks
Joanna to the Romans.
It was this weird they pickedRomans 16.
I'm like 16.
16.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh, X V I One through what like 13?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Something like that One through 15.
Oh, my eyes so.
But it's just like I commendunto you Phoebe, our sister, and
he's just like saluting andgiving props to people and I was
like, is this like an Oscarspeech?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, well, he's like hey guys, I want you to thank
all these people.
So he came into town, wrotethis letter and basically, like
this is, I'm assuming, like hisspeech, like he gave a speech
and they wrote it down and thenthey were like we better
preserve this, put that in withthe other good books.
(12:38):
But yeah, I thought his letterwas really good because it was
like hey guys, you got to likeall these people because they've
helped me and a lot of themwere women.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
A lot of them were women.
It was like woman, woman, womanand names Priscilla, Mary,
Trafina and Trifosa.
Yeah, and then Rufus's mom yeah, and his own mom Right.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And Julia and Olympus , ne, his own mom, right, and
Julia and Olympus, nearest hissister.
Yeah, all these chicks, chicksand he's like.
You need to assist them becausethey're amazing and that's.
Especially.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Phoebe, phoebe.
And so that's what Elizabethwrites in her short.
She just has a two paragraphresponse.
Elizabeth writes in her shortshe just has a two-paragraph
response Phoebe was a deaconessand was probably employed in
visiting the sick and inteaching the women in the
doctrines of the church.
It is just a short selectionand Elizabeth writes and then we
also have her responses EBD, Ilove her.
(13:36):
Ebd, I love her, and it reallythis is about they selected this
to say again.
We're seeing women were anintegral part of all of this.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
You won't let us be at the head of the church and
you won't let us be in thegovernment.
But here, here's your hero,paul, saying hey, look at all
these ladies and they are thebest, they're the best.
And she says in good works, menhave always found a reserved
force in the women of theirgeneration.
(14:07):
Paul seems to have beenspecifically mindful of all who
had received hospitably andhospitably entertained him, and
then goes on to say men havealways been thankful to women.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
The last sentence For serving them.
Yeah, men have always beenthankful to women.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes, the last sentence For serving them, yeah.
And then he says then she saysthen the Marys, the Phoebes and
the Priscilla's are ordered tokeep silence and to discuss all
questions with their husbands athome, taking it for granted
that all men are logical andwise.
Ooh, that's the Elizabeth Iknow and love.
Snap, snap, snap.
(14:43):
That's the Elizabeth I know andlove.
Snap, snap, snap.
Yes, snap it.
Yeah, like thanks for the props, but can we like have some
backup?
so that I can have like my spaceat the table.
Women want their space.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
EBD's response is even more of a takedown.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, she's like a real academic, I feel.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yes, you know even the way she writes.
She really is Her firstsentence I loved.
Already Martin Luther had goodcause to declare there is
something in the office of abishop which is dreadfully
demoralizing.
Even good men change theirnatures at consecration.
Satan enters into them, as heentered into Judas, as soon as
(15:24):
they've taken the sop yeah, andthere was a lot so funny.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I looked up martin luther because he's the guy that
started lutheranism yes yeah,even back then, all the
corruption, it was crazy corrupt.
And um, it was at the time ofum, when they weren't picking a
pope and everything.
And he was like you all arecorrupt, like I'm getting out.
(15:51):
And even back then he wassaying and Martin Luther was
born in 1483, died in 1546.
And he was like listen,catholics, you've gone bad,
you've gone corrupt.
And he pulled out and did somereforming.
And then there's Lutheranism.
(16:12):
Lutheranism.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Lutheranism.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But he was seeing the corruption and the
weaponization of the church oncivil matters that aren't
spiritual, so he wasn't havingit.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
He wasn't having it, but we all know what prevailed.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah it's still around.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
This part I like too.
There is strong reason tobelieve that the apostle
Priscilla, in cooperation withher husband, the apostle Aquila,
performed the important task offounding the Church of Rome,
For Paul, writing to theChristians, admits that he
himself has not yet visited thatcity.
There's no proof whatever thatPeter ever went to Rome at all,
(16:54):
but, on the contrary, much proofthat he wished to confine
Christianity to Jewish converts.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, so they split off, even from Paul, and they
were like well, everybody should.
I mean it's so funny becausethey so Paul came and stayed
with those two and they taughthim tent making.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And then they were like, yeah, I get it.
I love this Jesus guy too.
You know, I love it.
I want everybody to hear abouthis wonderful.
He's a wonderful human, there'sno doubt, right, he's the best
of the best.
Um, great, sure, he's notwithout flaw, but got some great
lessons.
And then, um, but paul was likeonly only jews that convert.
(17:36):
And they were like, no, anybody, anybody oh yeah, come to come
to um catholicism.
So yeah, they think thatPriscilla started the Roman
Catholic Church.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And I know which is nuts and women still can't be
priests, I know.
They're like that was too crazy.
I think I did look into this,oh you did Because.
I get so involved in this bookthat I'm like this was 130 years
ago.
I'm sure some people haveupdated.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And there's some people that say that is not
entirely true.
But I read their reasoning oh,what was it?
I was like it was thin.
Oh, they're just like.
That's not true.
She probably did help with it,and I'm like the church, is that
what she helped with?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That didn't exist in rome until she was there, right,
so spreading the good word.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
It would be good again if we have any of our
biblical scholar peoplelistening I love you guys
because you know there's peoplethat really know that stuff.
I'd love to know the updated.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, because it's funny I was looking for some
information and they'll say theydon't use names though, like
and, and obviously it'sWikipedia or whatever.
But even in the little Biblesthey'll say the most alerted
historians of the Bible wouldsay that, but there's no names.
And I'm like how do they?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I know who picks Is this like the.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oscars of biblical history.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And when I do research and find stuff, even on
some of the religious sites orchurch sites, I'm like how are
people not insulted by some ofthis stuff?
Because it's so simplified thatthey don't even get into any of
these details.
That's why I'm like we need thescholars.
But it says here and recognizesa church of Rome as established
in Priscilla's own house SeePaul's letter to the Romans,
(19:25):
chapter 16.
It is highly probable that thatwas the tiny acorn from which
has grown the present great oak,the Roman Catholic Church.
I mean it makes sense of modernmen to comprehend.
The position of women in theprimitive church is strikingly
shown in Chalmers' commentary onthe fact that Paul used exactly
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the same title in addressingPriscilla that he uses in
Greeting Urbane Chalmers.
Oh, I don't have my note on him.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He created the gap theory, that's okay.
He well, he didn't create it.
He discovered the gap of timein Genesis, between Genesisesis
one, genesis two.
So the genesis where they werejust like there was land, water,
blah, blah, blah.
Men, not men and women, justlike human right, um.
And then the one that was likeadam and eve and the rib right
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and stuff right, there's a hugegap and that's Chalmers doing.
And he was Scottish.
He was born in 1780, died in1847.
So his gap theory was probablynear the end of his life, middle
end, but yeah, so like 50 yearsbefore the book was out.
Yeah, very influential.
So, the gap theory was probablypretty fresh.
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The gap, yeah, the gap.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I wonder if that's what the store is named after.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm sure We'll just say it is we're like and that's
how the Blue.
Jean Company came to be and theGap's going to be like ah, I
had another quote underlinedwith like lightning bolts near
it.
Oh, even though you probablydid, too.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But you know what?
I do not have lightning bolts,but I do have colors, okay good.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It is manifestly due to the modern prejudice which
renders the Paul-worshiping maleProtestants incapable of
comprehending that, our greatapostle that's in quotes, by the
way our great apostle.
Ebd does not like Paul.
Quotes, by the way, our greatapostle EBD does not like Paul,
that's why we're in the.
You can tell she's like oh, sucha great apostle.
Paul was not great, Was not agreat apostle at all in those
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days, but a simple, self-senttentmaker with a vigorous spirit
who gladly shared the apostolicdignity with all the good women
he could rally to hisassistance.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, Chalmers brought up again because yeah,
mm-hmm, mm-hmm Chalmers broughtup again because he conjectures
that if Priscilla really didhelp Paul, it must have been as
a teacher of women and children,even when the fact stares him
in the face that she was arecognized teacher of the man
whom Paul specially andemphatically pronounces his own,
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equal.
And she's like okay, chalmers,nice job on the gap, but you're
not going to give women props.
You're seeing the gap hey.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Chalmers, look at that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
RIP, by the way, because he was already dead.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, by the way, chalmers.
By the way, ebd always comeswith receipts in parentheses.
She's like compare here hereand she's like check out.
Acts, check out Corinthians andshe gives those.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's what I mean.
She's like I got mine.
She's like I know this shit,come on.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you know this shit ?
That's what she's saying, yeah,and she does know it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I love it.
There are a ton of women andPaul and I think he's not that
great is saying it, so they'relike you love Paul.
You're saying Paul created this.
Listen to all those women.
Why can't we Come on Seriously?
Wake up, I know Wake up, wakeup, which would almost make me
like, but it all makes sense inthis next one.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I know I'm like which would almost, that would almost
make me like Paul.
Until we get to this.
Yeah, yeah.
Epistles to the Corinthians.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know what I should have looked up, how far
apart in years were theseletters?
Like okay, you went and talkedto the Romans and then all of a
sudden you go to the Corinthiansand you're like a total,
where's your props to the womennow?
Now you're like it's all aboutmarriage and women have like no
power.
Maybe he had a bad breakup?
Oh yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Mm-hmm.
I would like to know thedifference.
I need to know this.
I need to know this.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, because then all of a sudden he's like okay,
you got husbands and wives andyou should never leave.
Each other ever leaves becauseshe might leave, she has to
never get married and you needto just you have to live as a
spinster.
And then the men you reallyshouldn't leave your wife either
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.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Let me.
This is the part that so we'retalking about.
So this is Corinthians 7.
Yeah, 2 through 16, somethinglike that, don't worry about it,
you're not going to really readthe Bible, just kidding.
Two through 16, something likethat, don't worry about it,
you're not going to really readthe bible, just two through 16.
But the best is.
But if she depart, let herremain unmarried or be
reconciled to her husband andlet not the husband put away his
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wife.
And I'm like I have somequestions yeah, what's put, what
is put away in In a coffin.
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I know.
And why the different language?
Because it says above it.
It says Unto the married, Icommand let not the wife depart
from her husband and then, yeah,put away his wife.
What the yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And unto the married I command.
Yet not I, but the Lord oh yeah, the Lord said it the Let, not
I, but the Lord.
Oh yeah, the Lord said it, theLord said it.
And I'm like when?
Because nobody else said hesaid this crap.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, he, you know, he met him.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Trust me, he met him, but the Lord let not the wife
depart from her husband.
And the very first, the firstline, I think it's Corinthians 7
, too Let every man have his ownwife and let every woman have
her own husband, every womanhave her own husband.
Let the husband render unto thewife due benevolence, and
likewise also the wife and thehusband.
Which sounds nice, that's nice.
This sounds nice.
Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And then they're like you can never like if a woman
leaves you can't ever getmarried.
The men don't have that becausebasically they're like men,
just don't leave her.
And then if your spouse doesnot believe in the Lord, don't
leave them because you're theredemption.
But he switches because he saidthe Lord said you know the wife
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shouldn't depart.
And then it says but to therest speak I, not the Lord.
So this is just Paul, he's like.
This is my own idea here.
If any brother hath a wife thatbelieveth not and she be
pleased to dwell with him, don'tput her away because you'll
save.
You want to have any money.
You don't want her out on theown, telling people not to
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believe, don't put her away.
Don't put her away.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Even though we don't know what that means.
This is all very confusing.
I don't know how modern peopleare like.
Well, the Bible says I'm likeyou don't fucking know you read
it and interpret.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Tell me, put away.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, you put somebody away.
Give me a break, Elizabeth says.
The people appear to have beenspecially anxious to know what
the Christian idea was in regardto the question of marriage.
The Pythagoreans taught thatmarriage was unfavorable to high
intellectual development.
Oh yeah, I read about them alittle bit, maybe I'm.
Pythagorean.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I was like Pythagoreans.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know what they believed in.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
What?
Yes, math, math, everything wasmath.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Everything is math.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, and they believed in reincarnation.
Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, whateverhappened to them, they triangled
out.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's hard.
I would have met them.
Oh my God, you're like theoctagon right out of here, I
think.
So Okay, well, should I even?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Let's just recap.
Well, let's just tell them whathappened.
I know we're going to let thecat out the bag.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
We are going to let the cat out the bag.
We are going to let the cat outthe bag.
We just had a lovelyconversation.
We had the greatest tangentthat I think, opened a portal to
understanding the universe, themeaning of life, jane Goodall.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Oh my God, it was so good.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, and it's gone because we had a little
recording issue.
But here we are, look at us.
But here we are.
But I think we were tangentingabout the Pythag Pythagorean.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The Pythagoreans and their love of math.
And not getting married Right,because it hinders the expansion
of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And then the part that didn't get recorded is I
put a call out to the galaxythat I'm gonna bring
pythagorealism back.
Yeah, it was great, so fractalsthere were fractals, so you
just missed a whole tangent wewere basically scientists, but
yeah we were, but it's good.
So now we have this and we'rejust back here to talk about
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religion.
Was that what I was?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
going to say no, no, we're here to talk about Paul
and his fallacies, his fallacies.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But the marriage question was a big whoop-dee-doo
.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And this is the important part, let me read this
quote from Elizabeth CadyStanton, her last sentence oh
yes, that is important.
There are no restrictions inthe scriptures on divorced
persons marrying again, thoughmany improvised by human laws
are spoken of, as in the Bible.
Yeah, and we hear that all thetime, and that's what the family
values the family values, crapwhere people are like well,
that's just, you know, it's notbiblical or Christian.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm like none of that crap is written in there.
None of it More importantly BigJ.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It says stay in bad marriages.
Yeah, it does say stay in badmarriages.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
To protect other people from getting into them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, exactly, and Big J doesn't mention anything
about that crap.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Because they're like you should just be a monk.
Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You got to give it all up to the Lord.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
If you get married it's a whole hot mess.
You start liking the otherperson and doing stuff for them.
Exactly, and where's the Lord?
In the dust?
Exactly, and that's pretty muchwhat our other favorite
contributors is talking about.
Anon Anonymous, in her response, talks about this.
It's like the idea that it'sbetter to love the Lord than to
love your wife or husband isinfinitely absurd.
Nobody ever did love the Lord.
Nobody can, until he becomesacquainted with him.
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St Paul also tells us that manis in the image and glory of God
, but woman is the glory of man.
And for the purpose ofsustaining this position he says
For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created forthe woman, but the woman for
the man.
That reminds me of like pick apepper, pick a pepper.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
How many peppers did you pick?
Pick a pepper.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Of course we can all see that man could have gotten
along well enough without women,like duh.
And yet this is called, quoteunquote inspired.
And this Apostle Paul issupposed to have known more than
all the people who now are uponthe earth.
Come on, no wonder Paul, atlast, was constrained to say we
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are fools, for Christ's sake.
We're just playing the fool.
I know I like my note when itsays inspired.
I was like ha, Because it'slike, yeah, it's used as so even
Paul has to be like.
You know, the man doesn't needa woman.
It's like, yeah, OK.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
OK.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Totally Same, Reverso Same same.
Like it's not a big deal, let'sdo it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, then what's your problem with divorce?
Right, and why can't I have myland?
I don't get it.
It doesn't say anything aboutthat.
Yeah, and I also thought it wasinteresting because he's
writing these letters Jesus isalready dead, yet all of these
things that he's talking aboutare from the Old Testament and
Genesis.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, like this next thing.
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean tocut you off.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, no, she even said it there.
Like man is not of the woman,but woman of the man.
That's the rib story.
That's a bunch of hoo-ha.
It's a whole bunch of hoo-ha.
It's a bunch of hoo-ha.
And it's been proven and yetit's still holding up in the
court of law in 1895.
I know 2025.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I know 2025, going back there.
But don't worry, because we'vegot a lot more sense in this
next passage.
That makes no sense.
Lots of head covering.
Yeah, this is a head coveringpassage.
It's in Corinthians 11, 3through 15.
And this is gobbledygook.
I can't even say what it is.
I was trying.
This is gobbledygook.
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I can't even say what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It is gobbledygook.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I was trying to say gobbledygook, gobbledygook it
really is and it just talksabout.
But I would have you know thatthe head of every man is Christ
and the head of the woman is theman, and the head of Christ is
God.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, my head is a man, chill the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Paul Like what.
And also why we mention thisReading that every man praying
or prophesying having his headcovered dishonor his head.
Every woman that prayeth orprophesies with her head
uncovered dishonor her head.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So men are uncovered, women are covered, right, why?
And then we go and then hetalks about.
It is literally gobbledygook.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
But it goes back to the idea that angels can get at
women's hair, which is again OldTestament, old Testament stuff.
So for this cause, ought thewoman to have power on her head
because of the angels?
But wait.
So she has power, but you gottacover it.
But wait so, she has power, butyou got to cover it.
What are you trying to tell us?
Oh, cover your power.
I'm into you, paul.
I see what's going on.
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I'm into your shit.
Doth not even nature itselfreach you that if a man have
long hair, it is a shame untohim, but if a woman have long
hair, it is glory to her, forher hair is given her for a
covering, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, really bizarre.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And that's when we talked about.
You know, I can think of onegentleman that I stared at for a
good what 10, 13 years as a kidwho had really long hair on a
crucifix yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He did.
Mr Jesus had long flowy hair.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yep, he looked like a sexy hippie, yeah, he should
have covered hair.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yep, he looked like a sexy hippie.
Yeah, he should have covered itbecause he kind of looked like
a woman I know.
Yeah, you got to cut that hairShould have gave him a veil.
It's just so, elizabeth, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, where she says, though these directions appear
to be very frivolous even forthose times, they are much more
so for our stage of civilization.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, so for our stage of civilization.
Yeah, like it was frivolousthen and more ridiculous now.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And they were still wearing.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
they couldn't go to church, You'd get excommunicated
.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But it does seem like all general, like culture.
I'm thinking of Americaspecifically.
Okay, but this is probably theworld over.
There are people that justbelieve in, like you know,
they're fundamentalists.
Like the foundational text,just like the constitutionalists
.
Like this is how it's writtenand thus it will forever be, and
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that allows for no changes inlanguage resources, traditions,
like it's just, it's so silly,yeah, because Especially a book
that's 2000 years old.
Yeah, so much has silly.
Yeah, because so much,especially a book that's 2,000
years old.
Yeah, so much has changed.
Yeah, some stuff has changed.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
The one thing that hasn't changed is the corruption
of human men.
Yeah, yeah, Some women, but Ifeel like they're just following
like.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, please, I wish they're just looking at the
coattails.
I mean, they're evil.
Yeah, never forget Ginny Thomas, but you know, but she's
married to you, know, whatever?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
She's getting it done .
I guess she's getting it done.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Anyways, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And the canon law even uses these Paul-type things
to show the superiority, theauthority and the headship of
man and the humility andsubservience of women.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
After that it says the aristocracy in social life
requires the same badge ofrespect of all female servants.
In Europe they uniformly wearcaps, and in many families in
America, though, under protestafter learning its significance.
Yeah, like maids always hadcaps on.
Yeah, come protest afterlearning its significance.
Yeah.
Yeah, like maids always hadcaps on.
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Yeah, come on and creeps.
Yeah, and I have this partunderlined.
Maybe I don't know if this isin one of your color
highlighters- oh, I'm sure it is.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Go for it.
It is certainly high time thateducated women in a republic
should rebel against a custombased on the supposition of
their heaven-ordained subjection.
Jesus is always represented ashaving long, curling hair, and
so is the Trinity.
Imagine a painting of all thesegods with clipped hair flowing
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robes and beautiful hair andclipped hair.
Flowing robes and beautifulhair add greatly to the beauty
and dignity of these pictures.
And she's like so why pull fromme?
Like you, love these photos?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
You love these photos .
I got to cover mine.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, but you want to look at his.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Oh, what's going on there?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Mm-hmm, yeah, e-c-hmm , yeah, e-c-s.
She was just ahead of her time.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And this is L-S who is our gal, louisa Southworth,
and she was, like the women'svoting activist in Cleveland,
ohio.
I love Cleveland, I loveCleveland.
The injunctions of St Paul havehad such a decided influence in
fixing the legal status ofwomen that it is worth our while
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to consider their source.
In dealing with this question,we must never forget that the
majority of the writings of theNew Testament were not really
written or published by thosewhose names they hear.
Ancient writers considered itquite permissible for a man to
put out letters under the nameof another and thus bring his
own ideas before the world underthe protection of an honored
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sponsor.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
And that is highly respected.
Now, basically, there are 14letters assigned to Paul, but
the scholarly consensus that'swhat I mean like who decides who
?
The scholarly consensus is, butthey hold that of the 14
letters, only seven were writtenby Paul.
Oh really, corinthians was oneof them.
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So we are right in thinking.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Paul.
So we are right for not likingPaul.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Wah, wah.
Paul, corinthians, Romans,philippians, philemon, galatians
and Thessalonians.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
The others, most likely written by a disciple
using his name to carry theauthority.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Okay, yeah, okay, and she continues.
It is not usually claimed thatSt Paul was the originator of
the great religious movementcalled Christianity, but there's
strong belief that he wasdivinely inspired, probably
where you're like.
He saw him, he saw Jesus.
His inward persuasions, andespecially his visions, appeared
as a gift or endowment whichhad the force of inspiration.
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There we go, that magical, justexperience that a man had on
his own.
Everybody believes it.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Therefore, his mandates concerning women have a
strong hold upon the popularmind, and when opponents to the
equality of the sexes are put tobay, they glibly quote his
injunctions glibly.
These women throughout.
We hadn't seen this in a while.
But the women say they're likethis is the type of shit they're
throwing back at us when we'retrying to, you know, argue for
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equality and they're like well,Paul said and she's like he
didn't even say it, it was somelike rando.
Yeah, Also, he didn't even knowBig Jay.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Big Jay wasn't even allowed.
Oh I mean he ran into him, sawhis ghost, but it's kind of iffy
.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Also.
Are we trusting ghosts now?
Also, are we trusting ghostsnow?
Come on, yeah, use your noodle,you know Come on.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
LS congratulates herself.
We congratulate ourselves thatwe may shift some of these
biblical arguments that have hadsuch a sinister effect from
their firm foundations and youknow they have.
He who claims to give a messagemust satisfy us that he himself
has received such a message.
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The origin of the command thatwomen should cover their heads
is found in an old Jewish orHebrew legend which appears in
literature for the first time inGenesis.
There we are told that the sonsof God, that is, the angels,
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took to wives and daughters ofmen and begat the giants and the
heroes who were instrumental inbringing about the flood.
So she's like Paul.
they already did this in the OldTestament yeah, we covered this
, just like you had us cover ourheads and this is like so basic
and so right in your face,scholars and politicians, so the
whole covering of the head, allthis crap.
You're so in love with Paul,think he created Christianity
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and he's just restating what wasin the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I know, I know People conservatives love that crap.
It's weird they just tell usthe same stuff over and over
again.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Give it to me, yeah, give it to me from someone else.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
If the command to keep silence in the churches has
no higher origin than to keepcovered in public, should so
much weight be given it, orshould it be so often quoted as
having divine sanction?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, you're like.
Let me answer that for you,louisa.
No, ma'am, no, so we got ourlast.
This is only two verses.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Corinthians 14.
My note to this verse is barfyeah, because it's like shut up,
ladies, it is, why are youspeaking?
It actually says let your womenkeep silence in the churches,
for it is not permitted untothem to speak, but they are
commanded to be under obedience,as also saith the law.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So this is my take.
Okay, because I read ECS wrapsit up, but, like so, paul is
traveling around.
He's trying to say I saw Jesus,listen to me.
There's some women that arelogical thinkers and they're in
the church and they're like guys.
Guys, I know Paul, come on yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
They're like they're listening to Paul the tent guy.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Paul, like he didn't even put up the pole.
I mean it was falling and itgot wet, yeah, but yeah, because
what the heck, what the heck.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
And this, the other verses, and if they will learn
anything, let them ask theirhusbands at home, for it is a
shame for women to speak in thechurch.
Okay, I won't go to church.
Yeah, get bent, paul, I don'tlike kick me out, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
so basically it says, the church at Cornuth was
peculiarly given to diversionand disputation, and women were
apt to join in by golly and asktroublesome questions.
That's what we're here for.
Oh dang, those women wereasking Troublesome questions you
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was asking some troubles.
Men, shut your women up, yep.
Let your woman keep the silence.
That's literally how it is tothis very day.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
They're literally like.
You cannot question us becauseeverything I believe about
myself will crumble.
Yeah, my masculinity, whichespecially American masculinity,
completely relies on womenbeing like, of them not being
women.
Yeah so it's like you guys,it's so weak.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
There's other ways to live.
Yeah, it's a sad, sad situation, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Which is why, when I think about you know, I often
comment about the comments weget for like feminist posts or
see others and so many men arelike well, if you didn't have
men, this and this and that, I'mlike where did you get the idea
that that's what feminism means?
Like they do no work orresearch or thinking about it
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whatsoever, they just think thatif women have power, they're
going to die or implode theyliterally think that.
I think from their soul.
It's so threatening to them.
I'm like there's nothing aboutfeminism.
That's like that means menshould be erased.
It's more like can you guysstop fucking with us?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Murdering us.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Taking away our rights, like would that be cool,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, murdering us, yeah, taking away our rights,
like would that be cool?
Like I love it, like maybe youknow, keeping my body alive, to
keep a womb alive while I'm dead, that's a little creepy.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
That's creepy.
We're not even included inmedical research and like data
stuff, I mean you're like comeon Completely, but they can't
even so the response to thatalways is like well, it says in
the Bible that you can't talk.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Paul said you're not supposed to talk, yeah, so you
can't have equal rights.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I mean so sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I love this and talk to your husband, but also don't
get married Also, because giveit to the Lord, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I mean how it's who?
No wonder, a lot of people thatare super, you know, like
literalists or fundamentalists,like that's why they're so
miserable.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, there's a lot, I hope that their brain hurts
when they, when they're liketrying to make it all connect.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think they just let the priest do that for them.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Just they just tell me like mymouth, yeah, just do this.
I actually just saw a jordan,jordan klepper thing where he
was like, oh, so you just liketo listen to him.
And the kid was, it was a kidon a college campus and he was
like, yeah, I, uh, you know, I,he just, this guy put stuff in
the um into words that I becauseI don't really understand the
(44:55):
stuff and Jordan Klepper's likeso you're just repeating what he
said.
And he's like, well, yeah,because he says it so much, and
then, and then I can memorize it, and then I can say it and I
sound good.
And he's like, but you don'tknow what you're saying.
He's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Wow, and I mean it wasn't a young kid, he was like
early 20s, so like that's why alot of the A little depressing,
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I think that's why Joe Rogan and stuff is so
popular, because he'll have somepeople on and they will have
you.
It's almost likepseudo-intellectual discussions
and it makes people feel likethey're really like, yeah,
learning stuff.
I just saw a um video essay onhow americans like love to think
(45:48):
that billionaires know a lotabout physics.
Oh what, but you know what I'mtalking about, like you see.
You see, like elon and bezosand zuckerberg, and they're just
like quantum fields and blah,blah, and none of those fuckers
know anything about that.
Elon didn't even have anundergraduate in physics.
Yeah, but just people that haveand that is a very highly
(46:09):
skilled intellectual pursuit.
Like people that are physicists, have doctorate degrees.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, and all Elon does is go hey, I like what
you're doing.
Can I take it and not give youany credit?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, even worse than that.
Well, this is why I'm like thisdoes go along with your point.
Worse than that, they'll talklike they know about it because
they know, like, some of thepieces of the language.
And so then you have peoplethat are just like, yeah, oh,
he's so smart, so smart, he's sosmart.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
He builds rockets that blow up land in the Gulf of
America I know it is actuallyappropriate that they changed it
to Gulf of America and all thatshit just keeps falling in it.
It's great, it's great.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I think that this tangent is because it is funny
that they're like women need tobe quiet so that whenever we
talk, we sound like we're reallysuper smart, yeah, and they
don't ask questions.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That we can't answer, because that makes me feel
really bad.
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Like they're like wait.
Paul said he saw Jesus on theroad to Damascus.
Was anybody there?
And they're like shh, yeah, shh, you have to're like shh, yeah,
Shh.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You have to like cover your head and your mouth,
Put your head down.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, put your head down and have a baby.
Shoot me out a baby.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Elizabeth says the apostle took it for granted that
all men were wise enough togive women the necessary
information on all subjects, asif like just because like you
married a dude is like he's alsoneeds, like just knows
everything.
He's so smart, it's so smart.
I love the last things.
Um, actually, this wholeparagraph is good.
The whole thing is good.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
We don't read the rest of it um.
Others again advise wives neverto discuss naughty points with
their husbands love phrase, forif they should chance to differ
from each other, that fact mightgive rise to much domestic
infelicity, which is isn't thatnice.
I love it.
People are not going to getalong if you question that they
(48:07):
might not know what they'retalking about.
Right, right, and it'll be mucheasier if just the women don't
talk.
Yeah, like, how did the womenget chosen?
I know.
Oh yeah, go ahead.
No, go, go go.
There is such a wide differenceof opinion on this point among
wise men that perhaps it wouldbe as safe to leave women to be
(48:28):
guided by their own unassistedcommon sense.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
She's so sassy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
She is.
What does Donald Trump put atthe end of?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
it.
Thank you for your attention tothis matter.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Thank you for your attention to this matter ECS
Boom and thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Oh my gosh, I'm going to start tweeting now as ECS
and be like thank you for yourattention to this matter and
thank you for your attention tothis matter, ecs.
So there you know what I did.
I loved reading these becausethis was finally more of a like
bitey thing.
Yeah, Because the last couplethings we read I was like, well,
that's not so.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And this is very relevant and it's really
affecting them and us.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Woo, we did it, we did it, we did it.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
We did it and we even did it twice.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
We did it, we did it, we did it, we did it and we
even did it twice.
We did it and we did it twice.
And I want to know did that?
You know, did anybody have astress ball or get mad?
Even though I'm, like, Iimagine our lovely listeners are
like, we're not mad because wealready know that people think
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
It's like more of a validation.
Yeah, yes, but it is.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
I knew Paul was a douche, but it's great to know,
like the source.
It's incredible that we stillhave cultural norms and laws
that are from this, likebullshit.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, it's crazy, it's nuts, and I don't think
Jesus would like it.
I don't think he'd like it onebit, not at all.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
It doesn't matter, paul didn't see him Also.
He's one dude, one guy, one guy.
What about the bajillions ofpeople that have lived since?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, we don't like it Amazing lovely people.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
We don't like it, so I can't wait to see so in our
next episode the epistles to theEphesians and Philippians.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Philippians, is that?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
what it is the.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Philippians-offs.
They're not the Filipinos.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I can't wait to see what those say.
I can't wait, you know.
And then we're also going tocover Timothy and we're just
wondering what will they sayLike will they tell us what to
do with our shoes, our lawns?
Who Wondering what will theysay Like will they tell us what
to do with our shoes, our lawns?
Who knows what the men have instore?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Did Paul write these too, I?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
don't know.
Paul did all the letters.
He did, but not really.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Right, but I'm just saying like in common Okay, okay
, it's probably his people thatcame after him.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We do know our Victorian feminists will meet
them with cracking wit andacademic astuteness.
So be sure to turn back in Turn.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Don't turn back in.
Don't turn back in, althoughyou could turn it in.
Don't get put away.
Don't get put away.
Don't get put away.
Tune in.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
So let me tell you this, though the best thing
about podcasts is you don't haveto worry about your head
covering or any rules like that.
We never do that no rules.
No rules.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
We consider ourselves an anchor in the storm of
oppressive, mean-spirited,surface-level faking and mass
propaganda.
Isn't that something that youwant to support?
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Speaker 1 (51:47):
Wide.
Wide yes, so until the nextepisode hold your head high and
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We're like we went low withthat get low, get low.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Have a good week, we'll see you Thank you.
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