September 19, 2025 • 58 mins
If you like your podcasts with a side of crashout then this episode is for you. If not, this is still the episode for you but you may want to jump to around 18 minutes to get straight to the part where we talk about the book.
You're going to love the victorian feminist takes on the Epistles to the Ephesians, Phillipians, and Timothy. I mean, someone had to respond to all the men-win doctrine and instructions for women in marriage, appearance, and widowhood.
You'll get to enjoy classic lines such as: "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord" and hear about how widows aren't supposed to have any fun. And you'll be terrified or depressed to realize just how much Canon law seeps into civil law especially here in the states.
Whether you're a person of faith questioning traditional interpretations or simply interested in how ancient texts continue to shape modern power dynamics, this episode offers a fascinating look at the roots of gender inequality in Western society. Join us as we advocate for a world where, as Chandler wrote, "the religion of Jesus is a voluntary acceptance of truth," and "motherhood is equally honored with fatherhood in human institutions."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is what I meant to say we're not using the
internet anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Seriously, we're only going to the library.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
That's right, we're all books.
This is a book podcast.
This is a book podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're sticking to books.
I'm sick of this.
I'm sick of this internet.
Throw that thing out the window.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is what I meant to find.
It's the Greek term forapocalypse, which means an
unveiling a revelation.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It was a revelationady Stanton.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm Sarah Kay.
I'm Joanna.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
V.
Oh, I know Winning.
Are you winning?
Did I say winning, or wittyWitty, witty, we are, it is
winning.
Did I say winning, or wittyWitty Witty, we are, it is hard.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's hard to just talk.
It's hard life Right now.
Yeah, in reality, yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel like I play a part all day and then I come
home and I'm like, oh yeah,we're like what a world.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's not nice, but I feel like, since we're probably
the only podcast in the nation,it's important that we do this.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I mean we're a public service, we are a public
service we are.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We are here.
It is hard to describe howcrazy this past week has been,
and then you know I like to makejokes where I'm like, oh, we're
just a tiny podcast and no onelistens, but it is seeing the
clamp down of our FirstAmendment rights.
It's insane Over.
Some conjecture is like yeah,see, I don't have words Because
(02:00):
reality is unexplainable.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Right now.
It's like literally like Ican't even.
I don't even know what'shappening.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I don't know what's happening.
There's just, you know what,even though no other country has
this problem, we just.
There's no way to stop it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I know it's crazy.
There's no way to stop.
I'll tell you, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I'm going to go there .
The other thing about peoplebeing desensitized, so I was in
a shooting, oh yeah.
In a bowling alley and it waswild, because the people around
me like my friends and stuff.
They're so desensitized thatthey're like, well, how many
people were shot?
(02:40):
I'm laughing from trauma.
So, yeah, I'm like.
So, I'm like just for nofatalities.
So everybody's like, oh OK, I'mlike we were in an enclosed
building, it was terrifying.
Even like seeing that like leakthrough where I'm like no, like
we are truly damaged, oh, yeah,we are damaged from gun violence
(03:04):
.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I thought there was a moment a couple years ago
something happened in a mall butpeople actually saw the brains
of people and they startedtalking about it, like what they
look like when they get theirhead shot off, and I thought, oh
, maybe that'll do it.
No, it did not, it doesn't.
It did not but apparentlypodcasts are powerful, right?
(03:28):
So I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We're going to go on the record saying I think
getting a gun should at minimumbe involved as much training as
getting a driver's license.
Minimum, that's just.
I mean that's not a lot, that'snot a lot to ask, and I almost.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So we had.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
We've got Cindy the studio cat in here and she said
I agree, she agrees, she's like,who needs guns?
If you've got these claws?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, get some claws, get some claws out there, I
mean look, I'm like I don't evenknow what to say about that
other than what we just said.
It is so much to see people whohave disregarded all of the
school shootings, all of thehate crimes that have been done
to people of not their thoughtpersuasion.
(04:21):
And then all of a sudden likeoutrage.
But of course it's not aboutguns, it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
They're not talking about putting guns, it's just
they're mad because Because ourpresident incited or spread the
word that it was like apolitical opposition, even
though we do not.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And we're enraging these people who are upset about
their person.
Yeah and so.
And they're enraging thesepeople who are upset about their
person.
Yeah and so, and they want tonow shoot us.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
As of today.
We're recording this onSeptember 16th.
As of today, we do not have anofficial motive of the shooter
of Carly's shirt.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, that guy Is that code I like it Is that code
and, as we just said, like notinto gun violence.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Super no.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
As we just said, like not into gun violence super
like.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That was super uncool , oh my but horrendous.
I shouldn't say but no, they'resuper uncool period and the one
portion of all this last weekthat I do think slides into our
lane is the.
Is it the martyring?
(05:24):
Is that the word I'm lookingfor?
Or the, just the?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It is martyring.
See, I'm having a hard time.
When you martyr someone, youare putting them up as a cause
of righteousness, right?
So he's been used asrighteousness for Well, what
goes?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
in a better world.
Okay, sorry, what I mean iswhat is in our lane?
Is this for the past, like 22episodes?
We've seen so many instances ofhow men you know are just
forgiven and that really is theappeal of Christianity and the
patriarchy, because it's like dowhat you will, but as long as
(06:01):
you say you're Christian, you'regood, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
In the end, you might have to give a lamb or two
Right you have to give a lamb ortwo.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But in just seeing that in such a big scale, in
real time, where people are like, well, he was just trying to
spread the Christian message,We've actually been reading the
Bible.
And.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I got to say it's a little different message.
I mean, and this is just afraction of the message, but a
little bit different message.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean he espoused a ton of really negative, hateful
stuff about people that he knewnothing about and he has no
experience about.
So it was really crazy to seeyou know people that we know.
You know like boomers, beinglike we have to carry out his
message.
We're like when did you startlistening?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
to that and tell me what part of the message
resonated Right.
Tell me.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So, but all of that has been covered.
I guess that's the point I'mtrying to get to.
All of that is just completelywashed over because he was
christian and that's how thatworks.
You will forever beunaccountable, yeah, as long as
you're just, you know, as longas you're married, have kids and
say you're christian, christian, well, that's why I like that
(07:17):
one book, the the midnightkingdom by jared sexson, because
it is like a history of powerand it starts with the co-opting
of Christianity for war andstuff.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Was it just built to be more corrupt?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, this is my question.
It was built for power, sothat's it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was by the kings and pharaohs.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, obviously that's my informed hot take.
I love it.
But other people may have, butit really, the rise of it,
directly aligns with imperialistpower, and it's like you must
believe this or you are goingdown to the bad place no one
else does that.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I remember when I was getting married, my family was
having heart palpitationsbecause obviously, obviously, my
in-laws are Hindu right.
But immediately like I met thepriest and I'm like, oh no, we
don't, we do not convert people.
No, no, no, that's not what wedo, that's like not a thing.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, that's so crazy.
We welcome you.
Like what?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I was like pardon, that's not like you
don't sign on.
Yeah, like no, no, no.
You're like what?
Yeah, I was like pardon, that'snot like you don't sign on.
Yeah, they're like no, no, no.
And then I had my parents overto my in-laws and my
sister-in-law just like savedthe day, and she was like what
are you talking about?
And she's so bubbly andeverything.
And they were like, okay, we'redoing it.
And I was like them because wehave lived in america.
(08:51):
A christian, um, dominatedgemini, yeah, what is that?
Oh, gemini.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I like that word.
What does it mean?
It's like it means the thedominant thought that yeah
overarching, overarching, that'smy grad school word by the way.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh, I like it that I know half the definition of.
Half Hermione.
Yeah, oh, I can't use Hermioneanymore.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh, you know what I am pretty.
Oh, I know some stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Hegemony is the preponderant influence,
authority or dominance of onegroup over others, although
through constant rather thansolely coercion.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Constant yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.
So I never like, I don't know, Imean, I thought about things,
but it wasn't, like it didn'tencompass me, like I was like,
well, church probably isn'treally for me when I was in
college, right.
But then I went away and I'mlike I feel like it's just part
(09:48):
of life, right, everybody goes,everybody's doing it.
But then I visited somemissions right in California and
there's like graves out thereof like Native American stuff,
and I had a come to Jesus momentwhere I was like this does not
feel nice.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, some bad things did happen.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, where I was like, hmm.
Then you hear about, like thereligious schools in Canada and
the Native kids See, thispodcast is getting dark.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
We're in dark.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We're in dark times.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
We are in dark times.
Winter is here, Winter is here.
Yeah, so Joanne and I, you knowlast week, we're in a thing.
We're in a thing Because lastweek we had known about the
shooting.
I was like we can't.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And I'm actually glad we didn't yeah.
Because, I'm like we just donot.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
We don't know, and now we know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But we still don't know actually, no, but we know
the reaction, the reaction Ofwhatever is happening.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The reaction in my informed opinion is that is
batshit crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Amen Amen.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean, it's batshit crazy.
It's also kind of out of theauthoritarian playbook to you
know, seize on a tragedy.
You're right, absolutely, andpoliticize it and turn groups
against each other.
But I can't urge people enough.
I'm like they don't knowanything about the motive.
I shouldn't say not anything.
They have some clues, but thedude is not talking, we do not
(11:23):
know the motive and people havegone.
Ham, oh, man Doxing, andmeanwhile our president didn't
go to CK's memorial because hewas golfing.
So I'm like who's really?
Yeah, he's really, but I guessyou don't need to dox him,
though.
No.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, but they should , because I mean, actually, I
think the first time he wasasked about it he's like yeah.
I'm feeling they're like howare you doing after?
Yeah, and he's like I mean, I'mgood, I'm building a ballroom.
Yeah, and just talked about theballroom.
Yeah, weird Super fascinatingand they're not mad at him and
the other fascinating.
Why aren't they mad at?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
him Because.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Because he holds Bibles upside down.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, they're not going to get mad at him.
It's interesting, it is.
It's also interesting to watch.
The policing of feelings to medoes also stem from a Christian
tradition.
You know, like your internalthoughts don't belong to you, mm
, hmm, mm, hmm.
In fact, you can even go tohealth for thinking bad things.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, that is kind of crazy.
So we have the double banger.
It's all been unleashed.
Nothing is weirder than seeing,especially people like Joanna
and I know, like old boomerparents of our classmates being
like we just need to carry onthis legacy of our classmates,
being like we just need to carryon his legacy.
(12:44):
I'm like, excuse me, mrs L,have you even heard anything
that this?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
dude said Were you watching his videos.
I feel like I can't evenpicture that I can't picture
some 80-year-old lady watching apodcast on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I just can't.
I cannot get down with peoplebeing like well, I don't agree
with everything he did.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm like listen, I had to stop watching Woody Allen
movies, okay, so everybody justsays and they were really good,
some of them are really good,but he is a creepoid and you're
right.
But I have my convictions Rightand you should too.
Come on, yeah, but there's noway that this many people like
knew him and they're just.
But it is that thing, um, whereit's everything is so repeated,
(13:35):
like you know that they arejust seeing it because it's the
same verbiage, like they use thesame verbiage it's's the same
thing.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's almost like they got.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Christian family man.
Christian family man.
Okay, so someone told you thatI know, but where's the receipts
?
Right, I need receipts Like wehave different ideas.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But it really is almost like you know, when I do
communication work there, Ialways ask them, like do you
have a style guide, style and abrand guide?
And it's almost like they get.
I'm like maybe they get thatevery week, Like they get a
newsletter.
That's like these are yourtalking points.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
This is be sure not to use these words.
Make it simple so it can berepeated.
It is it's bonkers.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's really something .
I feel like I could sit acrossfrom you and us just shake our
heads together being like whatis going on?
I feel like we had to say alittle something.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
No, we do, but it does it's a Christian thing.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It actually like how they lifted him up after into
like him, being the guidinglight of love and peace, and
Jesus is.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm going to say with 99% accuracy that the Jesus was
a stand up dude Like, like allthe things you want a human to
be Right, except everybody.
Don't let any sheep stray.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Remember the Samaritans?
He was like well, I can drinkout of the same fountain, or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
that was All these lessons that are totally ignored
by the people who espouse to bethe best Christians.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
They don't want the lesson, they want the power.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Just the power.
But I mean most of the peopledoing this have no power anyways
, unless they get someone fired.
But it gives you illusion Well,it gives you.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They're like I got that person fired.
That's what I'm saying.
That gives them power.
They can get the power fromthat.
Also, there's power in the youknow American interpretation of
Christianity.
There's power in being toldthat you are chosen and you.
It's very hierarchical,especially the Christian
(15:57):
nationalists.
You know that I'm just rambling, but I'm like this is fucking
crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, it was.
You know how, like COVIDchanged everything.
Yeah, this really opened upanother layer of I'm just lost.
I'm lost as to what thereasoning is With people.
I knew at some point, Rightthat they can.
I don't know how they'reputting it together in the brain
(16:26):
and it doesn't make any senseto me.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think that's the hardest thing it doesn't make
any sense.
And the other part that doesn'tmake any sense is it seems like
again, I don't know if somebodyif we could have a conversation
, I don't know if somebody if wecould have a conversation.
Why does it seem like it's toalign with this billionaire
who's grifting, who's using ourcountry as a money laundering
(16:56):
scheme for his rich friends, andI'm like yeah, what?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And he's not even grieving your martyr.
And why aren't you upset?
It does none.
Of it makes sense and I cannotput it together as reality.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Right, and isn't it, nuts, that that reaction could
get you like, picked up by?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Pam Bondi.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah right, she said none of it makes sense when
clearly it's all made sensebecause we wrote the narrative
and you need to believe it.
These are wild times.
But I want to say as we weretalking about earlier.
Do not forget that, even thoughit feels like it and they want
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us to believe that, you know allis lost.
We're going to all get throwninto, we're all going to get
sent to El Salvador for usingour First Amendment, we still
have it.
Yeah, we do.
We still have it.
We still.
There's still a lot of crap inplace, we think.
We still think there's a lot of, maybe, law and order.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Maybe or something.
There's people fighting for it.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Do not don't obey in advance.
Do not obey in advance.
Do not obey in advance.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
No, this is the time to be loud and to be fearless.
To be fearless use your mind,speak your truth, make people
think.
When I started this with you, Iwas like, eh, it's Aaron, and
now I just get angrier andangrier.
I mean, I know, because it'sinfuriating, and then having
(18:25):
people that have lived it solong and not questioned it at a
late stage is like, and they'relike oh, the stuff that we're
going to go over today, which Iforgot to even mention in the
little intro, but hopefullyyou've been with us here, stay
with us.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But that's what we're getting into the epistles of
the epistles to Ephesians andPhilippians and Timothy and all
the weird picky social doctrineinvolved and all that crap.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
That's what this is about, where it's almost like,
now that we've gone through theOld Testament, like, well, at
least that had some, like youknow, I keep on saying like Game
of Thrones style yeah, like youknow, sweeping stories, we're
going to kill the whole town.
Yeah, like, okay, includingbabies, get them.
Yeah, that's a great likeeffect, yeah, great narrative
effect, but the New Testament isjust like laws Against women.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, so the New Testament is laws against women.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Remember, elizabeth warned us about that oh yeah, in
the intro she was like if youthink you're right means
progressive, you are sadlymistaken.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
No, no it's way worse , it's and it kind of is well, I
don't know actually well, butit just keeps growing.
There's not a piece in the newtestament where like 90 000
people are murdered?
Oh, right, right, true likethey.
A piece in the New Testamentwhere like 90,000 people are
murdered?
Oh, right, right, true, likethey are back in the book of
Esther.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
True, true, True.
So there's less death morerepression.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
But you know we're like immune to that.
Just like we said with theshootings, I was like, oh, only
90,000.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh, this was just one town.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, first we get to the ephesians.
And this is just, I'm justgoing to read the first, this is
is that how you say ephesians?
Ephesians 5, um, and it's likewhatever six, it's verse 22, 33,
the very first one wives,submit yourselves unto your own
husbands as unto the lord.
I mean, over over it, yeah,over it.
And then it goes on more withthe stuff too.
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That's like if the husband isahead of the house, if Christ is
ahead of the church, Men win,men win.
Men are the winners, men are thewinners, and it goes on.
It's like husbands love yourwives.
Even as Christ also loved thechurch, so ought men to love.
It is just weird why they haveto be so specific about this.
(20:50):
Yeah, stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And this isn't the only place like the other
epistles we're going to read areall about this.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They're like this isn't jesus, this is paul, who
we I told you.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I suspect he had a bad breakup and had a um
hallucination that he meantright and it really.
He didn't really what I readmore, he didn't really see Jesus
.
It was like a bright light andhe heard him.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He didn't see him.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
He just heard him and Jesus just laid down all these
tracks about, like women andwidows, and so he must've just
told him whatever you think,write it down and make a letter,
Whatever you think.
But hey, write it down and makea letter whatever you think,
but hey, actually I trust you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
This is you're my bro , you're my.
It was probably like you're mybro.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Write it in a letter or what if, like, jesus showed
up and he was like oh shit, Ithought this was peter.
And then he's like and paulstarts talking, and Paul's like
super annoying, and Jesus islike hey, man, just could you
put it in some letters.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Send it to me.
Give me a memo, write me a memo.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But Elizabeth says if every man were as pure and
self-sacrificing as Jesus issaid to have been in his
relations to the church, respect, honor and obedience from the
wife might be more easilyrendered.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You know, like when you're respected Well, it's one
of the things that you say islike if you want to be respected
, show respect.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Right, like there's.
There really is no reason andno holy reason from like God or
Jesus or anything.
They teach where it's like andit's essential that women just
blindly are obedient to men.
Like it makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Zero sense, yeah, logically here we are Thousands
of years of this, so weird.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I think that's funny because they're like, well great
, you know, jesus was a good guyand if we were all married to
Jesus it'd be great yeah exactlythat's a better way and then he
says she says but that's nothow it is it.
But it is not easy to lovethose who treat us spitefully in
any relation, except as mothers.
Yeah, their love triumphs overall shortcomings and
(23:00):
disappointments.
I don't know about that.
Occasionally, conjugal lovecombines that of the mother.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Then the kindness and the forbearance of a, of a wife
, may surpass all understandingyeah um so occasionally yeah, I
do like you're reading a littlebetter where elizabeth is like
yeah, if like dudes want to belike jesus, sweet yeah well,
yeah I'll listen to him.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think he's gonna tell me to do what I love.
Also, and she is going to belike feel your heart Go out
there and grab that dreamsweetie Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Also she's pointing out more like.
So if all this is written, whyis it really more that
everybody's focusing on?
The wives have to submit totheir husband and they're not
focused on?
Husbands need to be like Jesus.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, no, that's not.
That is nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, I mean it is here.
I mean it's written like as thehusbands have submitted as unto
the Lord.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, but it doesn't say that like treat your wife
nice, but we have to submit tothe husband Like, but we also
have to submit to the Lord.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
He that loveth.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We're like at the double.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The double-edged sword.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
That's nice, that's nice,that's nice, so that is nice.
We're like okay, let's see whatdo they say?
Actually, I didn't understandthis.
I hope you do this.
Philippians 4, 2 and 3.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Did I understand it?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yolk, fellow.
Yeah, I beseeched, you do usand beseeched.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, the yolk fellow, that's just like someone that's
really your homeboy, likethey're like your second in
command.
I kind of like that.
You're my yolk fellow, probablybecause you know yoke's and
it's like your co-host.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I'm here with my yoke fellow.
Here we are yoke fellowingaround.
We're probably gonna find outlater.
Be like, never say that thatwas used.
Just don't say it, okay, right?
Yeah, um, there were women ofno at philippi who disagreed and
caused divisions in the church.
The apostle therefore entreatedthem to make mutual concessions
for the welfare of the church.
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The yoke fellow referred to wassupposed by some to have been
the husband of one of the women.
Oh, so see, she's just like yeah, this is all petty insider crap
, why are we held to it 2,000years later?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It was like one dude in one church, in one town.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I love this too, she's like, but such mention by
the apostle must have beenhighly appreciated by any man or
woman for whom it was intendedLike thanks.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Thanks for the shout out yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Somebody's probably like love you, paul.
He's like Paul, this lady isbugging the shit out of me.
He's like don't worry, I'mgoing to write a letter.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I'm going to do a little pissle here.
I'm going to pissle them intoshame.
I'm going to pissle the shitout of this.
Yeah, interesting, very.
So, timothy.
Yeah, do you know who Timothyis?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I actually don't know who his mom is, but apparently
his dad died.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I was trying to make something up I'm like, yeah, he
was like a student of Paul right.
Well, so well, or I mean I goto like real housewives but
anyways do tell, do tell.
So that his dad was passed away.
I don't really know a whole lot, but he came in and he raised
him as his son.
But the fact that, um, I don'tknow who said it, was it um ecs
(26:19):
or but they basically said itwas like a peculiar relationship
, I think, I think, I underlined, basically said it was like a
peculiar relationship, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I think I underlined that too.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It was a little peculiar, peculiarly beloved by
him, watched over him as afather, often speaks of him as
my son and was peculiarlybeloved by him.
So like, almost like thatsounds like peculiar.
Yeah, and if you take someoneat a young age, of course
they're going to look up to you.
(26:46):
But what was up?
Yeah, yeah, and then Timmy gotto write some letters.
What?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
does peculiarly beloved mean in Victorian times.
That's something I.
Is that some?
That seems like a deep dive.
That seems like a deep dive.
Use your imagination in themeantime.
Yeah, this is Timothy, chapter1, timothy 2, verses 9 through
14.
And this is so barf.
This is about like women's hair.
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Let the women learn in silence,with all subjection.
But I suffer, not a woman toteach, nor to usurp authority
over the man, but to be insilence.
Eat a dick.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, right, and then they relive the Adam and Eve
lie.
Yeah, which hello gap theorydoesn't make any sense.
Doesn't make any sense, I'm allinto the gap theories.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's why I love.
Is it ECS that says this or isit LC that talks about?
If male is first in station andauthority is superior because
of priority of formation, whatis his relation to whales and
every living creature thatmoveth which the waters bring
forth and every winged fowlafter his kind which were formed
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before him?
Yeah, you are less than thewhale.
That's from our gal Lucindachandler, so I mean skipping
around here, but the no that'sbecause they do.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
This is like they're like.
Well, um, eve was a sinner andshe beguiled my little adam, but
she came from the rib andtherefore you must submit and do
whatever the man tells you todo.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And they're and he's using the justification that it
was order of formation, showswho should be subjected, and
they're like okay, let's do it.
Let's do this because whalesand bugs and snakes came before
you, sweetie.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So suck on that for a little bit.
But yes, timothy, the, what ishe?
The protege of Paul.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
He's the protege of Paul and I forgot to mention the
first thing does talk about how, in like manner also, that
women adorn themselves in modestapparel with shamefacedness and
sobriety, not with braided hairor gold or pearls or costly
array.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Just blend into the wall, ladies.
Blend into the wall and submitto the husband.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And don't tempt us with your luscious brains.
It's your fault.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I saw your shoulder.
Like what?
Yeah, it says, I like ECS.
I know it appears very triflingfor men commissioned to do such
a great work on earth to giveso much thought to the toileting
of women, the toilets, thetoilets of women.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I do.
I love that Trifling.
She says it is perhaps not fairto judge Paul by the strict
letter of the word.
We are not well informed of thehabits of women in his time in
regard to personal adornment.
You know what Paul means bymodest apparel, supposing the
translation to be correct, andthat is true.
I do like these littlereminders.
But she talks about how she'slike a compact braid was much
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more comfortable than individualhairs free to be blown about
with every breeze.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and I'm sorry, we're working, we're cooking,
we're having babies without anyanesthetic.
Yeah, and I'm braiding my hairRight, because, first of all, I
don't think you're supposed tocut it either, so you can't cut
your hair.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can't wear bells.
But, I gotta have it flying inmy mouth.
What you can't have tinkling.
Remember that from back in theold tea Dang tinkling.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I love this.
I wanted to say oh, I know.
Ordering men to have theirheads shaved and hair cropped,
while women were to have theirlocks hanging around their
shoulders looks as if theyfeared that the sexes were not
distinguishable and that theymust finish nature's work.
That's when, oh, that's when itstarted.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It is when it started .
Speaker 2 (30:48):
They were like, oh my gosh, we could be the same.
And why was that?
Shave your head and let yoursgrow.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, I'm starting to think, you know, because we
followed this progression, thatthe reason that they needed to
divide the sexes so much, todivide the sexes so much, I mean
there's probably many reasons,but one does go back to this
idea of them needing to besilent, probably because women
are really intuitive andperceptive.
So there would be the firstones to be like do you really
(31:17):
think Paul saw this?
Yes, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So he's like we got to like nip this.
Oh man, they're thinking toomuch.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, they're going to blow the whole scheme and
they want to make sure that andI'm going to lose little Timmy
they want to make sure that theguy Exactly they're like.
We need to make sure that thequestioners look a certain way.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Mm-hmm.
So we know not to like.
You know, talk about them.
We're getting in the nittygritty.
I know I like it.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Once you just start to just go crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You're just unleashing those neurons and
like yeah, that makes sense,girl.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I know it really does Shoot.
They're like we can't be havingthese.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Because, it's true, we do have more intuition,
because sometimes we'll meetpeople, my husband and I, and
I'll be like, and he's like, oh,I'm not a great guy.
And I'm like, yeah, I got some.
What?
That's really nice, you gave mesomething.
Speaker.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You gave me a speaker .
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Where did he get it?
Yeah, where I'm like I getthese feelings Right, it yeah.
Yeah, where I'm like I getthese feelings right, I get the
feelings where I'm like.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't know if men have the feelings I mean I'm
sure they're probably just likeevery, yeah, like everybody.
You know what has you know?
Well, spectrum, yeah, theydefinitely or an intuition I'm
sure there are some dudes thatare intuitive but also the idea.
Yeah, oh, it's a lot.
The idea and the idea ofhierarchy, you know, and
competition, and you know.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
It just makes me sad that it's been going, that the
charade has become so deep.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The charade, charaded for so long.
It is no longer.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh, I love that, do not think you the?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
charade, charaded for so long.
It is no longer.
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Do not bring your charade, I think you just wrote
a new literary classic, thecharade, the charade of
masculinity, by SK and JE.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
We will be performing next week.
The coffee shop, bring yoursnaps, bring your snaps.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Oh my God, they do come right to the future here
from Timmy.
So you know they're like hello.
Well, timmy, you're not so faroff.
This is LBC.
Oh, I love her LBC just man,she just like she goes on a free
flow of just like amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
By the way, real quick, that's Lucinda B Chandler
, and she was the one that'sassociated with Christian
socialism.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And she wrote we talked about.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
her don't know.
That's fine too.
Labor is labor, Labor is labor.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, exactly a Dorothea Dix and Clara Barton,
not to mention a host offaithful mothers.
He might perhaps have been lessanxious about the apparel and
the manners of his converts.
Could he have foreseen aMargaret Fuller, a Maria
Mitchell or an Emma Willard?
Possibly he might havesuspected that sex does not
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determine the capacity of theindividual, does not determine
the capacity of the individual?
Or could he have had a visionof the public school system of
this republic and witnessed thefact that a large portion of the
teachers are women, still are,still are?
It is possible that he mighthave hesitated to utter so
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tyrannical an edict quote, but Ipermit not a woman to teach
Paul Crazy, crazy.
But she pulled it to the next.
She's like maybe Paul needed tobe, you know, if he had a
vision, too bad, he didn't seethese badass women.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I want to add to that list of badass women Because
her Well, first of all, her,lucinda.
I would also like to add, Idon't know Harriet Tubman,
phyllis Wheatley, harriet Jacobs, sojourner Truth, frances EW
Harper oh girl.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yes, and Ida B.
Wells, oh, I love you at that,and yeah, I you know.
Thank you our victorian 1895yeah 1895, even though I mean
again every woman.
She mentioned baddies.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yes, I just wanted to mention some of our other
baddies, baddies, yeah, I lovethat.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Phyllis wheatley, harriet jacobs sojourner truth
and I was like you didn'tmention harriet tubman.
Yeah, what the hell actually,paul, I'd love for pa Paul to
have looked back in the 19thcentury and seen Harriet Tubman.
Yeah, who was?
Tell me who?
Jesus?
Would love so much more of abadass than anybody.
Anybody Got at the time.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Agreed, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
If anybody is going to be lifted up, yeah, come on,
but she is right, though.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I mean it just doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It doesn't hit right I was like how many times I said
it doesn't make any sense, itis strikingly inconsistent that
Paul, who had proclaimed thebroadest definition of human
souls, quote there is neitherJew nor Greek bond, nor free
male nor female, but ye are onein Christ Jesus, unquote,
(36:55):
Unquote, as the Christian idea,paul should have commanded
the—it is, oh sorry, it isstrikingly inconsistent that
Paul should have commanded thesubjection of women and silence
as essential to her propersphere in church.
Yeah, yeah, come on, why wouldhe?
(37:16):
Did you see?
It doesn't make sense.
There's so much.
But again, this is Tim.
So maybe Tim had some hardfeelings about Paul, right, yeah
, maybe.
Maybe that's just mespeculating, I'm just making
that stuff up.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
There's so much Lucinda and Elizabeth crush this
response to Timothy in general.
It's lovely.
Jesus maybe you've heard of himis not recorded as having
uttered any similar claim thatwomen should be subject to man
or that in teaching she would bea usurper.
Okay, the dominion of womenover man or of man over woman
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makes no part of the sayings ofthe Nazarene.
He spoke to the individual soul, not recognizing sex as a
quality of spiritual life or asdetermining the sphere of action
of either man or woman.
Yeah, jesus himself did not.
He was like no.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
No, that's what I mean.
All the things that Jesus saysthey do not capitalize on.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Right Stevens, and that's George Baker Stevens who
wrote his.
Is it Pauline or Paulin?
It's got to do with Paul.
It's got to do with Paul.
It's called Pauline.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Pauline, but it's about Paul.
It's about all the letters thatwe know of Paul's yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Paul's letters.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Or epistles, sorry.
So that's why we're readingthis and we're not even like
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considering, like anything abouthim or of that time, especially
when he's talking aboutdoctrine about how women should
dress and what their hair shouldlook like and in marriage.
Doesn't make sense that iscarried on is totes ridiculous.
Down these 19th centuries in aportion of the Christian church,
the contempt for women whichPaul projected into Christianity
(39:12):
has been perpetuated.
The Protestant evangelicalchurch still refuses to place
her on equality with man.
Mm-hmm, sad, mm-hmm, it's sosad.
And she does go.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean she writes like her whole response, which
actually is kind of quite long,oh my God, but it's worth the
read.
You should get this book.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Get this book has it, it's got some good stuff, In
case you're 23 episodes in andyou're like I don't know.
I don't know if I'm going toget this book.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
You gotta get it.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So Lucinda kind of hints that the whole history of
the fall of man says sharp.
Oh, it says sharp.
Oh, she's talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's still LBC.
She did this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I know, but I mean it's sharp.
Who's the writer Sharp, anyways, in work on Egypt, that kind of
myth and story the temptationof the woman by the serpent is
to some belief that has Egyptianorigin and the sacred tree of
knowledge.
A cherub's garden with flamingswords, the door of the garden.
Sacred tree of knowledge.
A cherub's garden with flamingswords, the door of the garden.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
The warfare declared between the woman and the
serpent may all be seen uponEgyptian sculptured monuments,
and this is what historians didway back in 1895 and before then
, and before then.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And yet people are still like maybe how many times
in the past you know six monthsto the last six years have you
asked yourself why don't factsmatter to these people?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, so same same, and I think we talked about that
, like how easy it is to mindmeld when you're brought up with
a most ridiculous story, rightas like this is what happened.
You'll never see anything likeit, ever, nor will you, I mean,
(41:04):
but just eat this.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Eat this and clean your plate and clean your plate.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Or we won't feed you.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yet parents literally hold their children emotionally
and psychologically hostage forfood and shelter to believe
this shit.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
But they have been held hostage.
And my worry now because peopleare going that have no idea,
probably never been to a church,but now they've found a martyr
and who is hosting all of thesememorials A martyr and who is
hosting all of these memorials,and I think people are going to
be joining them in mass.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, which is at the same frightening.
Americans in general are primedfor cults and religion Mm-hmm,
but these times it's going to belike back in the late 60s and
70s.
So between people going to theevangelical stuff, we're also
going to see some weird otherstuff.
We're seeing a lot more likewitchery and paganism.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Not that I say that's weird, I like that, but I'm
just saying like there's goingto be a lot.
There's going to be a lot, weshould start one let's do it I
know, join us, I am not going to.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Did you see this line ?
It's so good.
She talks about.
The great apostle left noevidence that he apprehended
this fact.
His audacity was sublime, butit was the audacity of ignorance
.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Oh, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So they talk about the canon law and how it, or is
that in the next one?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Oh yeah, is that?
Yeah?
Because they bring it about,because the Canon Law affects us
, which turned into civil law,that's what.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
this is the important part you got that.
Do it, read it?
Oh, okay, tell us.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Canon Law framed by the priesthood, compiled as
early as the 9th, making womensubordinate in civil law.
Under canon law, wives weredeprived of the control of both
person and property.
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Canon law created marriage asacrament to be performed at the
church door in order to make ita source of revenue for the
church.
Marriage, however, was reckonedtoo sinful quote to be allowed,
for many years, to take placewithin the sacred building
consecrated to God and deemedtoo holy to permit the entrance
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of a woman within its sacredwalls in certain periods of her
life.
Okay, so it used to be, butthen they're like, oh, this
could be a moneymaker life.
Okay, so it used to be, butthen they're like, oh, this
could be a moneymaker.
All of this became civil lawand it affects us All the way to
2025.
Yes and beyond.
I'm certain, Because I mean asmuch as I feel like we're on the
precipice of fundamental change.
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Yeah, It'll probably happenwhen we die.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
So here we are, timothy, chapter two.
Timothy three probably happenwhen we die.
So here we are, timothy chaptertwo.
Timothy three, verses twothrough 12 ish, even though
they're missing a few.
But whatever, I just like thisbecause it says um, it's talking
about a bishop and hisrequirements for his wife and he
has to be not given to wine.
No, striker, not greedy.
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A filthy Lucre, is that how yousay it?
But patient, not a brawler, notcovetous.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh, covetous, thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I acted like I didn't know what that word is.
Give me a break.
I lived to covet.
Likewise must the deacons begrave, not double-tongued.
Don't be double-tongued.
Don't be double-tongued.
Don't be double-tongued.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Don't be double-tongued.
Nothing worse than adouble-tongued snake.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Look at how many double-tongued religious leaders
there are, oh my goodness.
Even so, must their wives begrave, not slanderous, sober,
faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife.
This is what I like too,because then we go on to learn
that I was like oh, that waslike a new thing apparently.
Used to have a ton of wives.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife ruling their
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children and their own houseswell Ruling.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Ruling them, ruling.
I want to be a king Gross.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
It's a king complex, gross Timmy.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
I think something probably happened to Timmy.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, timmy, I think something probably happened to
Timmy.
Yeah, poor Timmy.
I think that somebody got tothem, you know, like a lobbyist.
I bet they did.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
And it was not Jesus's.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
So I just had a few things Jesus needed better
people.
He did.
He needed definitely betterhandlers.
He did.
He needed definitely betterhandlers In this chapter.
The advice of the apostle inregard to the overseer or bishop
is unexceptionable.
That's what Elizabeth said.
Yes, I like how she mentions.
She says nowhere in the Old orthe New Testaments is there an
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account of drunkenness by womenLike why do you have to mention
any of that?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
How come?
What?
You just throwing it out there,you're sticking the glue.
You know I'm rubber, you'reglue Right, so you're the
drunkard.
Don't put that on me.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
She's like what and this is the part I think you
mentioned this, so she'sstarting to talk about.
She's like, oh, interestingthat these are requirements for
your leaders, your bishops andyour deacons, because the
directions for the conduct ofthe bishop are explicit.
He has to be gentle gentle, notcontentious, which sets aside
much that distinguishes themasculine nature.
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In fact, with the exception ofthe qualification apt to teach,
before forbidden, the entirelist of the necessary qualities
of a bishop is that of womanlycharacteristics temperate,
sober-minded, ie not given totrifling speech.
Orderly, given to hospitality.
No brawler, no striker.
This supposedly refers to thepugilistic tendencies.
(46:44):
But gentle, not contentious,every qualification is
essentially womanly.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah embrace it, guysbrace it guys.
It's not bad, e-c-s Embrace it.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Timmy said to but she's like those are the
qualifications Also.
So then why can't women bechurch leaders?
Why are you like?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
you're saying all the things I am.
Yeah, Timothy goes on to justdestroy widows Like dude.
If your husband dies, oh, youare screwed ladies.
Oh my gosh, this is Timothy 5.
It says 1 Timothy 5.
You shall never have pleasureagain.
It does say that Until you're60.
Apparently, when you're 60.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And I'm sure it does.
It says that so weird.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Where did you see any ?
I just had this.
Let not a widow be taken intothe number under three score
years, having been the wife ofone man, so like.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I don't understand.
I don't understand any of this.
This is like yeah, now, now,she that is a widow, indeed, and
desolate, trusteth in God, butshe that liveth in pleasure is
dead while she liveth.
Ok, thanks, dude.
You having a good time, you'redead.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I see you shaking your rump, little rump shaker,
you're dead inside You'reshaking your widow rump.
You're not even sad, dude.
He died.
Died 40 years ago again, seeyou're not even properly sad.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh yeah, you're not grieving correctly.
Here.
We have right here Timothy andPaul, and all these guys say
that isn't that just disgusting?
Disgusting.
I will, therefore, and Paul andall these guys say that.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Isn't that just Disgusting?
Disgusting.
I will, therefore that youngerwomen marry, bear children,
guide the house, give noneoccasion to the adversary to
speak reproachfully, for someare already turned aside after
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Satan.
Just the women Like.
Nothing about the men, this isall about widows.
You're just picking on thesepoor like, and I mean, my god,
they're they.
Who knows, maybe they had areally nice husband I know
people died early.
People died early.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
There was no osha and also exactly those tent makers
and widows, then, unless you hada very wealthy husband like you
, could be really screwed.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, you couldn't work, right, you didn't get paid
.
I mean, that was a whole thingwhere, like you, had no life
because the laws were alreadythere from whenever they started
writing the Bible in a way thatmade us subservient.
I know, it's just so.
Oh my God.
The widow was to be enrolled toa church and it must be three
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score years old, having been thewife of one man.
Even when they explain this, Idon't understand what that means
.
The widow who was to beenrolled to be provided for by
the church so the church wouldtake care of them, must be three
score years old and having beenthe wife of one man.
Whether this is repudiation ofsecond marriages or refers to
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the afflicted washed the saints'feet and diligently followed
every good work, is arecognition of a right of
principle which should be madepart of a social organization,
not just a church.
Right Like it's not their faultand because of the way the laws
are written, they can't takecare of themselves.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
You don't let them, not that they couldn't, and I
don't know why some of theselike doctrine and these really
specific rules like why aren'tthese looked at like?
If we were to look at like thisis how we handle the Xerox
copier.
Do you know what I mean?
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I'm like that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, but I do yeah you're right.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
It's weird, it's not even a thing anymore.
Don't worry about it.
I said and again oh, and thisis.
I think this is LBC is writingthe response to all these.
I credited Elizabeth with theother thing.
I didn't mean to.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
No, she like, she brings up.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
This is so good to a similar thing Like what would
Paul think today?
What a spectacle the thousandsof breadwinning young and
unmarried women of today wouldbe to Paul if he could come here
.
Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, nowthink about it, Summon him.
Ooh, I love this too.
Whether married or unmarried,the highest duty of every living
soul, woman or man, is to seektruth and righteousness is to
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seek truth and righteousness,and the liberty which is of the
spirit of truth does not admitof the bondage of husband and
wife the one to the other.
Freedom to seek souldevelopment is paramount to all
their demands.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Oh my gosh, yeah, your soul.
Everyone has one, and that isactually what Jesus is saying.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, he's like I don't know about all that.
Yeah, he's like my bestfriend's Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
She's rocking it out for me, spreading the good word.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
He's always like I'd rather hang out with the girls.
Anyway, this is our last littletidbit, right?
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Well, there is no prerogative more tenaciously
held by the common man than thatof rulership.
There is no greater oppositionto a woman's equality in the
state than there is in thechurch, and this notwithstanding
the fact that the church andthe pulpit are largely sustained
(52:24):
by women.
The church is spiritually andactually a womanly institution,
and this is recognized by theunvarying expression mother
church.
This is the mother church.
They actually call it thatstill today.
Yet man monopolizes all officesof distinction and leadership
(52:44):
and receives the salaries formaterial support as the
inevitable result.
Spiritual life has become solanguid as to be ineffectual,
and an effort is beingpersistently pushed by a portion
of the evangelical church aportion too which most
strenuously keeps its womensilent to fortify the church by
(53:08):
power of the civil government.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Oh my God, that's the whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
Why did I even need to?
Why did I ramble for a halfhour before this?
That's the whole thing.
That's all.
How did I miss that too?
That was in this thing.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
And that's not even the part I starred, because this
is the whole end.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
You're like y'all can't even handle the parts I
starred.
This is too much.
The truth will make your headfall off.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well, I love this.
This is for the Christians outthere that love Jesus.
There is no suggestion in theteaching of Jesus as recorded,
of compelling individualauthorities or powers to
acknowledge God.
The religion of Jesus is avoluntary acceptance of truth.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
I'm sorry.
Can you read that last lineagain?
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yes, because.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
The religion of Jesus is a voluntary acceptance of
truth.
Boom, quote.
God is a spirit and they whoworship him must worship in
spirit and in truth.
Quote.
There can be no compulsory lifeof the spirit quickened by the
source of light, light and love.
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The masculine idea ofcompelling a formal
acknowledgement of God by thestate is entirely unchristian.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Until the feminine is recognized in the divine being
and justice is established inthe church by the complete
equality of women with man, thechurch cannot be thoroughly
Christian.
Honor thy father and thy motheris the commandment.
The human race cannot bebrought to its highest state
until motherhood is equallyhonored with fatherhood in human
(54:54):
institutions.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's it.
We've solved all of humanity'sproblems.
Thanks, lucinda B Chandler.
May you send your ancestors tocome give me a hug, and I want
to touch your essence, lucindaIs that weird to say you can
(55:24):
touch her essence.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Do you think Cindy's like a Victorian feminist
reincarnated?
She probably is.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
She's probably meditating on what we're saying,
because she's like Cindy giveus a sign, give me a sign that
you are listening.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Well, you know cats.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
Cindy is well entranced.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
She's entranced by our beautiful reading of that.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
But you know what?
It probably soothes her to hearthe truth.
It does.
She's like my lady's got it.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Cats love truth.
They do.
They love truth.
They love treats andbutterflies.
That's like me.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Keep my interest it's wild to read these.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
It seems like every week it's crazier and crazier in
this country and it's so tiedto this Mm-hmm it's.
I mean that, right there, thatlast.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
It is this.
It is this.
This has been.
What do you call that co-opted?
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, is that yeah?
Co-opted.
Like it had some good thingsBastardized.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
It's been bastardized .
Speaker 1 (56:24):
That was a doozy.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
It was.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
And thanks for sticking with us this whole way.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, and I hope that we offer some sort of solace to
those of you that are feelinglike us Right, wtf, yeah, but
how does it keep getting moreWTF-y?
Speaker 1 (56:41):
But I do hope that you wrote down all those
instructions on how to live as awoman and or a widow.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, you better note that yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
We'd hate for you to get swooped up by Satan.
So next week you know the fallis a crazy time and I think
you're going to be boppingaround, I'm going to be bopping
and gallivanting Be bopping.
So next week, maybe, just likea little bonus episode, we're
going to see, but we'll be backto the next full episode, which
you can expect.
(57:11):
That would be two weeks fromtoday.
Two weeks full episode, whichyou can expect.
That'd be two weeks from today,yeah, two weeks.
But we're going to see how muchlittle treats we can toss out
your way.
So stick with us, stick in.
But that next full episode isgoing to be the last bits of the
actual women's Bible, notincluding the appendix which we
may do a whole special series on.
So that's crazy.
(57:32):
So that is just a page and ahalf of the epistles to peter
and john, and then some wordsfrom our favorite oh, I love it
matilda jocelyn jocelyn gage iscoming back as one of the
analysts and elizabeth katiestanton on the book of
revelations I'm super.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
that's super important because people are
living that one.
Yeah, yeah, bringing, yeah,bringing them back.
So we'll see about that.
I'm looking forward to that too.
Yeah, you can fight the attackson free speech by supporting
podcasts just like this.
You can fulfill your good deedquoted today by subscribing,
commenting, leaving reviews,interacting on socials and, most
(58:11):
of all, by helping us spreadthe word.
Share this podcast far and wide.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
So until the next episode, keep your soul
development paramount.
We know you can.
Peace be with you and also withyou.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Shake my hand.
This is what I meant to say we're not using the
internet anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Seriously, we're only going to the library.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
That's right, we're all books.
This is a book podcast.
This is a book podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're sticking to books.
I'm sick of this.
I'm sick of this internet.
Throw that thing out the window.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is what I meant to find.
It's the Greek term forapocalypse, which means an
unveiling a revelation.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It was a revelationady Stanton.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm Sarah Kay.
I'm Joanna.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
V.
Oh, I know Winning.
Are you winning?
Did I say winning, or wittyWitty, witty, we are, it is
winning.
Did I say winning, or wittyWitty Witty, we are, it is hard.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's hard to just talk.
It's hard life Right now.
Yeah, in reality, yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel like I play a part all day and then I come
home and I'm like, oh yeah,we're like what a world.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's not nice, but I feel like, since we're probably
the only podcast in the nation,it's important that we do this.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I mean we're a public service, we are a public
service we are.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We are here.
It is hard to describe howcrazy this past week has been,
and then you know I like to makejokes where I'm like, oh, we're
just a tiny podcast and no onelistens, but it is seeing the
clamp down of our FirstAmendment rights.
It's insane Over.
Some conjecture is like yeah,see, I don't have words Because
(02:00):
reality is unexplainable.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Right now.
It's like literally like Ican't even.
I don't even know what'shappening.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I don't know what's happening.
There's just, you know what,even though no other country has
this problem, we just.
There's no way to stop it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I know it's crazy.
There's no way to stop.
I'll tell you, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I'm going to go there .
The other thing about peoplebeing desensitized, so I was in
a shooting, oh yeah.
In a bowling alley and it waswild, because the people around
me like my friends and stuff.
They're so desensitized thatthey're like, well, how many
people were shot?
(02:40):
I'm laughing from trauma.
So, yeah, I'm like.
So, I'm like just for nofatalities.
So everybody's like, oh OK, I'mlike we were in an enclosed
building, it was terrifying.
Even like seeing that like leakthrough where I'm like no, like
we are truly damaged, oh, yeah,we are damaged from gun violence
(03:04):
.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I thought there was a moment a couple years ago
something happened in a mall butpeople actually saw the brains
of people and they startedtalking about it, like what they
look like when they get theirhead shot off, and I thought, oh
, maybe that'll do it.
No, it did not, it doesn't.
It did not but apparentlypodcasts are powerful, right?
(03:28):
So I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We're going to go on the record saying I think
getting a gun should at minimumbe involved as much training as
getting a driver's license.
Minimum, that's just.
I mean that's not a lot, that'snot a lot to ask, and I almost.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So we had.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
We've got Cindy the studio cat in here and she said
I agree, she agrees, she's like,who needs guns?
If you've got these claws?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, get some claws, get some claws out there, I
mean look, I'm like I don't evenknow what to say about that
other than what we just said.
It is so much to see people whohave disregarded all of the
school shootings, all of thehate crimes that have been done
to people of not their thoughtpersuasion.
(04:21):
And then all of a sudden likeoutrage.
But of course it's not aboutguns, it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
They're not talking about putting guns, it's just
they're mad because Because ourpresident incited or spread the
word that it was like apolitical opposition, even
though we do not.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And we're enraging these people who are upset about
their person.
Yeah and so.
And they're enraging thesepeople who are upset about their
person.
Yeah and so, and they want tonow shoot us.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
As of today.
We're recording this onSeptember 16th.
As of today, we do not have anofficial motive of the shooter
of Carly's shirt.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, that guy Is that code I like it Is that code
and, as we just said, like notinto gun violence.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Super no.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
As we just said, like not into gun violence super
like.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That was super uncool , oh my but horrendous.
I shouldn't say but no, they'resuper uncool period and the one
portion of all this last weekthat I do think slides into our
lane is the.
Is it the martyring?
(05:24):
Is that the word I'm lookingfor?
Or the, just the?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It is martyring.
See, I'm having a hard time.
When you martyr someone, youare putting them up as a cause
of righteousness, right?
So he's been used asrighteousness for Well, what
goes?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
in a better world.
Okay, sorry, what I mean iswhat is in our lane?
Is this for the past, like 22episodes?
We've seen so many instances ofhow men you know are just
forgiven and that really is theappeal of Christianity and the
patriarchy, because it's like dowhat you will, but as long as
(06:01):
you say you're Christian, you'regood, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
In the end, you might have to give a lamb or two
Right you have to give a lamb ortwo.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But in just seeing that in such a big scale, in
real time, where people are like, well, he was just trying to
spread the Christian message,We've actually been reading the
Bible.
And.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I got to say it's a little different message.
I mean, and this is just afraction of the message, but a
little bit different message.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean he espoused a ton of really negative, hateful
stuff about people that he knewnothing about and he has no
experience about.
So it was really crazy to seeyou know people that we know.
You know like boomers, beinglike we have to carry out his
message.
We're like when did you startlistening?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
to that and tell me what part of the message
resonated Right.
Tell me.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So, but all of that has been covered.
I guess that's the point I'mtrying to get to.
All of that is just completelywashed over because he was
christian and that's how thatworks.
You will forever beunaccountable, yeah, as long as
you're just, you know, as longas you're married, have kids and
say you're christian, christian, well, that's why I like that
(07:17):
one book, the the midnightkingdom by jared sexson, because
it is like a history of powerand it starts with the co-opting
of Christianity for war andstuff.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Was it just built to be more corrupt?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, this is my question.
It was built for power, sothat's it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was by the kings and pharaohs.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, obviously that's my informed hot take.
I love it.
But other people may have, butit really, the rise of it,
directly aligns with imperialistpower, and it's like you must
believe this or you are goingdown to the bad place no one
else does that.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I remember when I was getting married, my family was
having heart palpitationsbecause obviously, obviously, my
in-laws are Hindu right.
But immediately like I met thepriest and I'm like, oh no, we
don't, we do not convert people.
No, no, no, that's not what wedo, that's like not a thing.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, that's so crazy.
We welcome you.
Like what?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I was like pardon, that's not like you
don't sign on.
Yeah, like no, no, no.
You're like what?
Yeah, I was like pardon, that'snot like you don't sign on.
Yeah, they're like no, no, no.
And then I had my parents overto my in-laws and my
sister-in-law just like savedthe day, and she was like what
are you talking about?
And she's so bubbly andeverything.
And they were like, okay, we'redoing it.
And I was like them because wehave lived in america.
(08:51):
A christian, um, dominatedgemini, yeah, what is that?
Oh, gemini.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I like that word.
What does it mean?
It's like it means the thedominant thought that yeah
overarching, overarching, that'smy grad school word by the way.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh, I like it that I know half the definition of.
Half Hermione.
Yeah, oh, I can't use Hermioneanymore.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh, you know what I am pretty.
Oh, I know some stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Hegemony is the preponderant influence,
authority or dominance of onegroup over others, although
through constant rather thansolely coercion.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Constant yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.
So I never like, I don't know, Imean, I thought about things,
but it wasn't, like it didn'tencompass me, like I was like,
well, church probably isn'treally for me when I was in
college, right.
But then I went away and I'mlike I feel like it's just part
(09:48):
of life, right, everybody goes,everybody's doing it.
But then I visited somemissions right in California and
there's like graves out thereof like Native American stuff,
and I had a come to Jesus momentwhere I was like this does not
feel nice.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, some bad things did happen.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, where I was like, hmm.
Then you hear about, like thereligious schools in Canada and
the Native kids See, thispodcast is getting dark.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
We're in dark.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We're in dark times.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
We are in dark times.
Winter is here, Winter is here.
Yeah, so Joanne and I, you knowlast week, we're in a thing.
We're in a thing Because lastweek we had known about the
shooting.
I was like we can't.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And I'm actually glad we didn't yeah.
Because, I'm like we just donot.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
We don't know, and now we know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But we still don't know actually, no, but we know
the reaction, the reaction Ofwhatever is happening.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The reaction in my informed opinion is that is
batshit crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Amen Amen.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean, it's batshit crazy.
It's also kind of out of theauthoritarian playbook to you
know, seize on a tragedy.
You're right, absolutely, andpoliticize it and turn groups
against each other.
But I can't urge people enough.
I'm like they don't knowanything about the motive.
I shouldn't say not anything.
They have some clues, but thedude is not talking, we do not
(11:23):
know the motive and people havegone.
Ham, oh, man Doxing, andmeanwhile our president didn't
go to CK's memorial because hewas golfing.
So I'm like who's really?
Yeah, he's really, but I guessyou don't need to dox him,
though.
No.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, but they should , because I mean, actually, I
think the first time he wasasked about it he's like yeah.
I'm feeling they're like howare you doing after?
Yeah, and he's like I mean, I'mgood, I'm building a ballroom.
Yeah, and just talked about theballroom.
Yeah, weird Super fascinatingand they're not mad at him and
the other fascinating.
Why aren't they mad at?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
him Because.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Because he holds Bibles upside down.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, they're not going to get mad at him.
It's interesting, it is.
It's also interesting to watch.
The policing of feelings to medoes also stem from a Christian
tradition.
You know, like your internalthoughts don't belong to you, mm
, hmm, mm, hmm.
In fact, you can even go tohealth for thinking bad things.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, that is kind of crazy.
So we have the double banger.
It's all been unleashed.
Nothing is weirder than seeing,especially people like Joanna
and I know, like old boomerparents of our classmates being
like we just need to carry onthis legacy of our classmates,
being like we just need to carryon his legacy.
(12:44):
I'm like, excuse me, mrs L,have you even heard anything
that this?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
dude said Were you watching his videos.
I feel like I can't evenpicture that I can't picture
some 80-year-old lady watching apodcast on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I just can't.
I cannot get down with peoplebeing like well, I don't agree
with everything he did.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm like listen, I had to stop watching Woody Allen
movies, okay, so everybody justsays and they were really good,
some of them are really good,but he is a creepoid and you're
right.
But I have my convictions Rightand you should too.
Come on, yeah, but there's noway that this many people like
knew him and they're just.
But it is that thing, um, whereit's everything is so repeated,
(13:35):
like you know that they arejust seeing it because it's the
same verbiage, like they use thesame verbiage it's's the same
thing.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's almost like they got.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Christian family man.
Christian family man.
Okay, so someone told you thatI know, but where's the receipts
?
Right, I need receipts Like wehave different ideas.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But it really is almost like you know, when I do
communication work there, Ialways ask them, like do you
have a style guide, style and abrand guide?
And it's almost like they get.
I'm like maybe they get thatevery week, Like they get a
newsletter.
That's like these are yourtalking points.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
This is be sure not to use these words.
Make it simple so it can berepeated.
It is it's bonkers.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's really something .
I feel like I could sit acrossfrom you and us just shake our
heads together being like whatis going on?
I feel like we had to say alittle something.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
No, we do, but it does it's a Christian thing.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It actually like how they lifted him up after into
like him, being the guidinglight of love and peace, and
Jesus is.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm going to say with 99% accuracy that the Jesus was
a stand up dude Like, like allthe things you want a human to
be Right, except everybody.
Don't let any sheep stray.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Remember the Samaritans?
He was like well, I can drinkout of the same fountain, or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
that was All these lessons that are totally ignored
by the people who espouse to bethe best Christians.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
They don't want the lesson, they want the power.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Just the power.
But I mean most of the peopledoing this have no power anyways
, unless they get someone fired.
But it gives you illusion Well,it gives you.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They're like I got that person fired.
That's what I'm saying.
That gives them power.
They can get the power fromthat.
Also, there's power in the youknow American interpretation of
Christianity.
There's power in being toldthat you are chosen and you.
It's very hierarchical,especially the Christian
(15:57):
nationalists.
You know that I'm just rambling, but I'm like this is fucking
crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, it was.
You know how, like COVIDchanged everything.
Yeah, this really opened upanother layer of I'm just lost.
I'm lost as to what thereasoning is With people.
I knew at some point, Rightthat they can.
I don't know how they'reputting it together in the brain
(16:26):
and it doesn't make any senseto me.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think that's the hardest thing it doesn't make
any sense.
And the other part that doesn'tmake any sense is it seems like
again, I don't know if somebodyif we could have a conversation
, I don't know if somebody if wecould have a conversation.
Why does it seem like it's toalign with this billionaire
who's grifting, who's using ourcountry as a money laundering
(16:56):
scheme for his rich friends, andI'm like yeah, what?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And he's not even grieving your martyr.
And why aren't you upset?
It does none.
Of it makes sense and I cannotput it together as reality.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Right, and isn't it, nuts, that that reaction could
get you like, picked up by?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Pam Bondi.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah right, she said none of it makes sense when
clearly it's all made sensebecause we wrote the narrative
and you need to believe it.
These are wild times.
But I want to say as we weretalking about earlier.
Do not forget that, even thoughit feels like it and they want
(17:37):
us to believe that, you know allis lost.
We're going to all get throwninto, we're all going to get
sent to El Salvador for usingour First Amendment, we still
have it.
Yeah, we do.
We still have it.
We still.
There's still a lot of crap inplace, we think.
We still think there's a lot of, maybe, law and order.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Maybe or something.
There's people fighting for it.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Do not don't obey in advance.
Do not obey in advance.
Do not obey in advance.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
No, this is the time to be loud and to be fearless.
To be fearless use your mind,speak your truth, make people
think.
When I started this with you, Iwas like, eh, it's Aaron, and
now I just get angrier andangrier.
I mean, I know, because it'sinfuriating, and then having
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people that have lived it solong and not questioned it at a
late stage is like, and they'relike oh, the stuff that we're
going to go over today, which Iforgot to even mention in the
little intro, but hopefullyyou've been with us here, stay
with us.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But that's what we're getting into the epistles of
the epistles to Ephesians andPhilippians and Timothy and all
the weird picky social doctrineinvolved and all that crap.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
That's what this is about, where it's almost like,
now that we've gone through theOld Testament, like, well, at
least that had some, like youknow, I keep on saying like Game
of Thrones style yeah, like youknow, sweeping stories, we're
going to kill the whole town.
Yeah, like, okay, includingbabies, get them.
Yeah, that's a great likeeffect, yeah, great narrative
effect, but the New Testament isjust like laws Against women.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, so the New Testament is laws against women.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Remember, elizabeth warned us about that oh yeah, in
the intro she was like if youthink you're right means
progressive, you are sadlymistaken.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
No, no it's way worse , it's and it kind of is well, I
don't know actually well, butit just keeps growing.
There's not a piece in the newtestament where like 90 000
people are murdered?
Oh, right, right, true likethey.
A piece in the New Testamentwhere like 90,000 people are
murdered?
Oh, right, right, true, likethey are back in the book of
Esther.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
True, true, True.
So there's less death morerepression.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
But you know we're like immune to that.
Just like we said with theshootings, I was like, oh, only
90,000.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh, this was just one town.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, first we get to the ephesians.
And this is just, I'm justgoing to read the first, this is
is that how you say ephesians?
Ephesians 5, um, and it's likewhatever six, it's verse 22, 33,
the very first one wives,submit yourselves unto your own
husbands as unto the lord.
I mean, over over it, yeah,over it.
And then it goes on more withthe stuff too.
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That's like if the husband isahead of the house, if Christ is
ahead of the church, Men win,men win.
Men are the winners, men are thewinners, and it goes on.
It's like husbands love yourwives.
Even as Christ also loved thechurch, so ought men to love.
It is just weird why they haveto be so specific about this.
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Yeah, stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And this isn't the only place like the other
epistles we're going to read areall about this.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They're like this isn't jesus, this is paul, who
we I told you.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I suspect he had a bad breakup and had a um
hallucination that he meantright and it really.
He didn't really what I readmore, he didn't really see Jesus
.
It was like a bright light andhe heard him.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He didn't see him.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
He just heard him and Jesus just laid down all these
tracks about, like women andwidows, and so he must've just
told him whatever you think,write it down and make a letter,
Whatever you think.
But hey, write it down and makea letter whatever you think,
but hey, actually I trust you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
This is you're my bro , you're my.
It was probably like you're mybro.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Write it in a letter or what if, like, jesus showed
up and he was like oh shit, Ithought this was peter.
And then he's like and paulstarts talking, and Paul's like
super annoying, and Jesus islike hey, man, just could you
put it in some letters.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Send it to me.
Give me a memo, write me a memo.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But Elizabeth says if every man were as pure and
self-sacrificing as Jesus issaid to have been in his
relations to the church, respect, honor and obedience from the
wife might be more easilyrendered.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You know, like when you're respected Well, it's one
of the things that you say islike if you want to be respected
, show respect.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Right, like there's.
There really is no reason andno holy reason from like God or
Jesus or anything.
They teach where it's like andit's essential that women just
blindly are obedient to men.
Like it makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Zero sense, yeah, logically here we are Thousands
of years of this, so weird.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I think that's funny because they're like, well great
, you know, jesus was a good guyand if we were all married to
Jesus it'd be great yeah exactlythat's a better way and then he
says she says but that's nothow it is it.
But it is not easy to lovethose who treat us spitefully in
any relation, except as mothers.
Yeah, their love triumphs overall shortcomings and
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disappointments.
I don't know about that.
Occasionally, conjugal lovecombines that of the mother.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Then the kindness and the forbearance of a, of a wife
, may surpass all understandingyeah um so occasionally yeah, I
do like you're reading a littlebetter where elizabeth is like
yeah, if like dudes want to belike jesus, sweet yeah well,
yeah I'll listen to him.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think he's gonna tell me to do what I love.
Also, and she is going to belike feel your heart Go out
there and grab that dreamsweetie Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Also she's pointing out more like.
So if all this is written, whyis it really more that
everybody's focusing on?
The wives have to submit totheir husband and they're not
focused on?
Husbands need to be like Jesus.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, no, that's not.
That is nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, I mean it is here.
I mean it's written like as thehusbands have submitted as unto
the Lord.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, but it doesn't say that like treat your wife
nice, but we have to submit tothe husband Like, but we also
have to submit to the Lord.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
He that loveth.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We're like at the double.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The double-edged sword.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
That's nice, that's nice,that's nice, so that is nice.
We're like okay, let's see whatdo they say?
Actually, I didn't understandthis.
I hope you do this.
Philippians 4, 2 and 3.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Did I understand it?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yolk, fellow.
Yeah, I beseeched, you do usand beseeched.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, the yolk fellow, that's just like someone that's
really your homeboy, likethey're like your second in
command.
I kind of like that.
You're my yolk fellow, probablybecause you know yoke's and
it's like your co-host.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I'm here with my yoke fellow.
Here we are yoke fellowingaround.
We're probably gonna find outlater.
Be like, never say that thatwas used.
Just don't say it, okay, right?
Yeah, um, there were women ofno at philippi who disagreed and
caused divisions in the church.
The apostle therefore entreatedthem to make mutual concessions
for the welfare of the church.
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The yoke fellow referred to wassupposed by some to have been
the husband of one of the women.
Oh, so see, she's just like yeah, this is all petty insider crap
, why are we held to it 2,000years later?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It was like one dude in one church, in one town.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I love this too, she's like, but such mention by
the apostle must have beenhighly appreciated by any man or
woman for whom it was intendedLike thanks.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Thanks for the shout out yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Somebody's probably like love you, paul.
He's like Paul, this lady isbugging the shit out of me.
He's like don't worry, I'mgoing to write a letter.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I'm going to do a little pissle here.
I'm going to pissle them intoshame.
I'm going to pissle the shitout of this.
Yeah, interesting, very.
So, timothy.
Yeah, do you know who Timothyis?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I actually don't know who his mom is, but apparently
his dad died.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I was trying to make something up I'm like, yeah, he
was like a student of Paul right.
Well, so well, or I mean I goto like real housewives but
anyways do tell, do tell.
So that his dad was passed away.
I don't really know a whole lot, but he came in and he raised
him as his son.
But the fact that, um, I don'tknow who said it, was it um ecs
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or but they basically said itwas like a peculiar relationship
, I think, I think, I underlined, basically said it was like a
peculiar relationship, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I think I underlined that too.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It was a little peculiar, peculiarly beloved by
him, watched over him as afather, often speaks of him as
my son and was peculiarlybeloved by him.
So like, almost like thatsounds like peculiar.
Yeah, and if you take someoneat a young age, of course
they're going to look up to you.
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But what was up?
Yeah, yeah, and then Timmy gotto write some letters.
What?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
does peculiarly beloved mean in Victorian times.
That's something I.
Is that some?
That seems like a deep dive.
That seems like a deep dive.
Use your imagination in themeantime.
Yeah, this is Timothy, chapter1, timothy 2, verses 9 through
14.
And this is so barf.
This is about like women's hair.
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Let the women learn in silence,with all subjection.
But I suffer, not a woman toteach, nor to usurp authority
over the man, but to be insilence.
Eat a dick.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, right, and then they relive the Adam and Eve
lie.
Yeah, which hello gap theorydoesn't make any sense.
Doesn't make any sense, I'm allinto the gap theories.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's why I love.
Is it ECS that says this or isit LC that talks about?
If male is first in station andauthority is superior because
of priority of formation, whatis his relation to whales and
every living creature thatmoveth which the waters bring
forth and every winged fowlafter his kind which were formed
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before him?
Yeah, you are less than thewhale.
That's from our gal Lucindachandler, so I mean skipping
around here, but the no that'sbecause they do.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
This is like they're like.
Well, um, eve was a sinner andshe beguiled my little adam, but
she came from the rib andtherefore you must submit and do
whatever the man tells you todo.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And they're and he's using the justification that it
was order of formation, showswho should be subjected, and
they're like okay, let's do it.
Let's do this because whalesand bugs and snakes came before
you, sweetie.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So suck on that for a little bit.
But yes, timothy, the, what ishe?
The protege of Paul.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
He's the protege of Paul and I forgot to mention the
first thing does talk about how, in like manner also, that
women adorn themselves in modestapparel with shamefacedness and
sobriety, not with braided hairor gold or pearls or costly
array.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Just blend into the wall, ladies.
Blend into the wall and submitto the husband.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And don't tempt us with your luscious brains.
It's your fault.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I saw your shoulder.
Like what?
Yeah, it says, I like ECS.
I know it appears very triflingfor men commissioned to do such
a great work on earth to giveso much thought to the toileting
of women, the toilets, thetoilets of women.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I do.
I love that Trifling.
She says it is perhaps not fairto judge Paul by the strict
letter of the word.
We are not well informed of thehabits of women in his time in
regard to personal adornment.
You know what Paul means bymodest apparel, supposing the
translation to be correct, andthat is true.
I do like these littlereminders.
But she talks about how she'slike a compact braid was much
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more comfortable than individualhairs free to be blown about
with every breeze.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and I'm sorry, we're working, we're cooking,
we're having babies without anyanesthetic.
Yeah, and I'm braiding my hairRight, because, first of all, I
don't think you're supposed tocut it either, so you can't cut
your hair.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can't wear bells.
But, I gotta have it flying inmy mouth.
What you can't have tinkling.
Remember that from back in theold tea Dang tinkling.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I love this.
I wanted to say oh, I know.
Ordering men to have theirheads shaved and hair cropped,
while women were to have theirlocks hanging around their
shoulders looks as if theyfeared that the sexes were not
distinguishable and that theymust finish nature's work.
That's when, oh, that's when itstarted.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It is when it started .
Speaker 2 (30:48):
They were like, oh my gosh, we could be the same.
And why was that?
Shave your head and let yoursgrow.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, I'm starting to think, you know, because we
followed this progression, thatthe reason that they needed to
divide the sexes so much, todivide the sexes so much, I mean
there's probably many reasons,but one does go back to this
idea of them needing to besilent, probably because women
are really intuitive andperceptive.
So there would be the firstones to be like do you really
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think Paul saw this?
Yes, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So he's like we got to like nip this.
Oh man, they're thinking toomuch.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, they're going to blow the whole scheme and
they want to make sure that andI'm going to lose little Timmy
they want to make sure that theguy Exactly they're like.
We need to make sure that thequestioners look a certain way.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Mm-hmm.
So we know not to like.
You know, talk about them.
We're getting in the nittygritty.
I know I like it.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Once you just start to just go crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You're just unleashing those neurons and
like yeah, that makes sense,girl.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I know it really does Shoot.
They're like we can't be havingthese.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Because, it's true, we do have more intuition,
because sometimes we'll meetpeople, my husband and I, and
I'll be like, and he's like, oh,I'm not a great guy.
And I'm like, yeah, I got some.
What?
That's really nice, you gave mesomething.
Speaker.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You gave me a speaker .
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Where did he get it?
Yeah, where I'm like I getthese feelings Right, it yeah.
Yeah, where I'm like I getthese feelings right, I get the
feelings where I'm like.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't know if men have the feelings I mean I'm
sure they're probably just likeevery, yeah, like everybody.
You know what has you know?
Well, spectrum, yeah, theydefinitely or an intuition I'm
sure there are some dudes thatare intuitive but also the idea.
Yeah, oh, it's a lot.
The idea and the idea ofhierarchy, you know, and
competition, and you know.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
It just makes me sad that it's been going, that the
charade has become so deep.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The charade, charaded for so long.
It is no longer.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh, I love that, do not think you the?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
charade, charaded for so long.
It is no longer.
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Do not bring your charade, I think you just wrote
a new literary classic, thecharade, the charade of
masculinity, by SK and JE.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
We will be performing next week.
The coffee shop, bring yoursnaps, bring your snaps.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Oh my God, they do come right to the future here
from Timmy.
So you know they're like hello.
Well, timmy, you're not so faroff.
This is LBC.
Oh, I love her LBC just man,she just like she goes on a free
flow of just like amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
By the way, real quick, that's Lucinda B Chandler
, and she was the one that'sassociated with Christian
socialism.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And she wrote we talked about.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
her don't know.
That's fine too.
Labor is labor, Labor is labor.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, exactly a Dorothea Dix and Clara Barton,
not to mention a host offaithful mothers.
He might perhaps have been lessanxious about the apparel and
the manners of his converts.
Could he have foreseen aMargaret Fuller, a Maria
Mitchell or an Emma Willard?
Possibly he might havesuspected that sex does not
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determine the capacity of theindividual, does not determine
the capacity of the individual?
Or could he have had a visionof the public school system of
this republic and witnessed thefact that a large portion of the
teachers are women, still are,still are?
It is possible that he mighthave hesitated to utter so
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tyrannical an edict quote, but Ipermit not a woman to teach
Paul Crazy, crazy.
But she pulled it to the next.
She's like maybe Paul needed tobe, you know, if he had a
vision, too bad, he didn't seethese badass women.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I want to add to that list of badass women Because
her Well, first of all, her,lucinda.
I would also like to add, Idon't know Harriet Tubman,
phyllis Wheatley, harriet Jacobs, sojourner Truth, frances EW
Harper oh girl.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yes, and Ida B.
Wells, oh, I love you at that,and yeah, I you know.
Thank you our victorian 1895yeah 1895, even though I mean
again every woman.
She mentioned baddies.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yes, I just wanted to mention some of our other
baddies, baddies, yeah, I lovethat.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Phyllis wheatley, harriet jacobs sojourner truth
and I was like you didn'tmention harriet tubman.
Yeah, what the hell actually,paul, I'd love for pa Paul to
have looked back in the 19thcentury and seen Harriet Tubman.
Yeah, who was?
Tell me who?
Jesus?
Would love so much more of abadass than anybody.
Anybody Got at the time.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Agreed, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
If anybody is going to be lifted up, yeah, come on,
but she is right, though.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I mean it just doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It doesn't hit right I was like how many times I said
it doesn't make any sense, itis strikingly inconsistent that
Paul, who had proclaimed thebroadest definition of human
souls, quote there is neitherJew nor Greek bond, nor free
male nor female, but ye are onein Christ Jesus, unquote,
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Unquote, as the Christian idea,paul should have commanded
the—it is, oh sorry, it isstrikingly inconsistent that
Paul should have commanded thesubjection of women and silence
as essential to her propersphere in church.
Yeah, yeah, come on, why wouldhe?
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Did you see?
It doesn't make sense.
There's so much.
But again, this is Tim.
So maybe Tim had some hardfeelings about Paul, right, yeah
, maybe.
Maybe that's just mespeculating, I'm just making
that stuff up.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
There's so much Lucinda and Elizabeth crush this
response to Timothy in general.
It's lovely.
Jesus maybe you've heard of himis not recorded as having
uttered any similar claim thatwomen should be subject to man
or that in teaching she would bea usurper.
Okay, the dominion of womenover man or of man over woman
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makes no part of the sayings ofthe Nazarene.
He spoke to the individual soul, not recognizing sex as a
quality of spiritual life or asdetermining the sphere of action
of either man or woman.
Yeah, jesus himself did not.
He was like no.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
No, that's what I mean.
All the things that Jesus saysthey do not capitalize on.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Right Stevens, and that's George Baker Stevens who
wrote his.
Is it Pauline or Paulin?
It's got to do with Paul.
It's got to do with Paul.
It's called Pauline.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Pauline, but it's about Paul.
It's about all the letters thatwe know of Paul's yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Paul's letters.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Or epistles, sorry.
So that's why we're readingthis and we're not even like
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considering, like anything abouthim or of that time, especially
when he's talking aboutdoctrine about how women should
dress and what their hair shouldlook like and in marriage.
Doesn't make sense that iscarried on is totes ridiculous.
Down these 19th centuries in aportion of the Christian church,
the contempt for women whichPaul projected into Christianity
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has been perpetuated.
The Protestant evangelicalchurch still refuses to place
her on equality with man.
Mm-hmm, sad, mm-hmm, it's sosad.
And she does go.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean she writes like her whole response, which
actually is kind of quite long,oh my God, but it's worth the
read.
You should get this book.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Get this book has it, it's got some good stuff, In
case you're 23 episodes in andyou're like I don't know.
I don't know if I'm going toget this book.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
You gotta get it.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So Lucinda kind of hints that the whole history of
the fall of man says sharp.
Oh, it says sharp.
Oh, she's talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's still LBC.
She did this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I know, but I mean it's sharp.
Who's the writer Sharp, anyways, in work on Egypt, that kind of
myth and story the temptationof the woman by the serpent is
to some belief that has Egyptianorigin and the sacred tree of
knowledge.
A cherub's garden with flamingswords, the door of the garden.
Sacred tree of knowledge.
A cherub's garden with flamingswords, the door of the garden.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
The warfare declared between the woman and the
serpent may all be seen uponEgyptian sculptured monuments,
and this is what historians didway back in 1895 and before then
, and before then.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And yet people are still like maybe how many times
in the past you know six monthsto the last six years have you
asked yourself why don't factsmatter to these people?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, so same same, and I think we talked about that
, like how easy it is to mindmeld when you're brought up with
a most ridiculous story, rightas like this is what happened.
You'll never see anything likeit, ever, nor will you, I mean,
(41:04):
but just eat this.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Eat this and clean your plate and clean your plate.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Or we won't feed you.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yet parents literally hold their children emotionally
and psychologically hostage forfood and shelter to believe
this shit.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
But they have been held hostage.
And my worry now because peopleare going that have no idea,
probably never been to a church,but now they've found a martyr
and who is hosting all of thesememorials A martyr and who is
hosting all of these memorials,and I think people are going to
be joining them in mass.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, which is at the same frightening.
Americans in general are primedfor cults and religion Mm-hmm,
but these times it's going to belike back in the late 60s and
70s.
So between people going to theevangelical stuff, we're also
going to see some weird otherstuff.
We're seeing a lot more likewitchery and paganism.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Not that I say that's weird, I like that, but I'm
just saying like there's goingto be a lot.
There's going to be a lot, weshould start one let's do it I
know, join us, I am not going to.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Did you see this line ?
It's so good.
She talks about.
The great apostle left noevidence that he apprehended
this fact.
His audacity was sublime, butit was the audacity of ignorance
.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Oh, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So they talk about the canon law and how it, or is
that in the next one?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Oh yeah, is that?
Yeah?
Because they bring it about,because the Canon Law affects us
, which turned into civil law,that's what.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
this is the important part you got that.
Do it, read it?
Oh, okay, tell us.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Canon Law framed by the priesthood, compiled as
early as the 9th, making womensubordinate in civil law.
Under canon law, wives weredeprived of the control of both
person and property.
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Canon law created marriage asacrament to be performed at the
church door in order to make ita source of revenue for the
church.
Marriage, however, was reckonedtoo sinful quote to be allowed,
for many years, to take placewithin the sacred building
consecrated to God and deemedtoo holy to permit the entrance
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of a woman within its sacredwalls in certain periods of her
life.
Okay, so it used to be, butthen they're like, oh, this
could be a moneymaker life.
Okay, so it used to be, butthen they're like, oh, this
could be a moneymaker.
All of this became civil lawand it affects us All the way to
2025.
Yes and beyond.
I'm certain, Because I mean asmuch as I feel like we're on the
precipice of fundamental change.
(43:47):
Yeah, It'll probably happenwhen we die.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
So here we are, timothy, chapter two.
Timothy three probably happenwhen we die.
So here we are, timothy chaptertwo.
Timothy three, verses twothrough 12 ish, even though
they're missing a few.
But whatever, I just like thisbecause it says um, it's talking
about a bishop and hisrequirements for his wife and he
has to be not given to wine.
No, striker, not greedy.
(44:09):
A filthy Lucre, is that how yousay it?
But patient, not a brawler, notcovetous.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh, covetous, thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I acted like I didn't know what that word is.
Give me a break.
I lived to covet.
Likewise must the deacons begrave, not double-tongued.
Don't be double-tongued.
Don't be double-tongued.
Don't be double-tongued.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Don't be double-tongued.
Nothing worse than adouble-tongued snake.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Look at how many double-tongued religious leaders
there are, oh my goodness.
Even so, must their wives begrave, not slanderous, sober,
faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife.
This is what I like too,because then we go on to learn
that I was like oh, that waslike a new thing apparently.
Used to have a ton of wives.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife ruling their
(44:58):
children and their own houseswell Ruling.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Ruling them, ruling.
I want to be a king Gross.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
It's a king complex, gross Timmy.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
I think something probably happened to Timmy.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, timmy, I think something probably happened to
Timmy.
Yeah, poor Timmy.
I think that somebody got tothem, you know, like a lobbyist.
I bet they did.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
And it was not Jesus's.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
So I just had a few things Jesus needed better
people.
He did.
He needed definitely betterhandlers.
He did.
He needed definitely betterhandlers In this chapter.
The advice of the apostle inregard to the overseer or bishop
is unexceptionable.
That's what Elizabeth said.
Yes, I like how she mentions.
She says nowhere in the Old orthe New Testaments is there an
(45:45):
account of drunkenness by womenLike why do you have to mention
any of that?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
How come?
What?
You just throwing it out there,you're sticking the glue.
You know I'm rubber, you'reglue Right, so you're the
drunkard.
Don't put that on me.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
She's like what and this is the part I think you
mentioned this, so she'sstarting to talk about.
She's like, oh, interestingthat these are requirements for
your leaders, your bishops andyour deacons, because the
directions for the conduct ofthe bishop are explicit.
He has to be gentle gentle, notcontentious, which sets aside
much that distinguishes themasculine nature.
(46:21):
In fact, with the exception ofthe qualification apt to teach,
before forbidden, the entirelist of the necessary qualities
of a bishop is that of womanlycharacteristics temperate,
sober-minded, ie not given totrifling speech.
Orderly, given to hospitality.
No brawler, no striker.
This supposedly refers to thepugilistic tendencies.
(46:44):
But gentle, not contentious,every qualification is
essentially womanly.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah embrace it, guysbrace it guys.
It's not bad, e-c-s Embrace it.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Timmy said to but she's like those are the
qualifications Also.
So then why can't women bechurch leaders?
Why are you like?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
you're saying all the things I am.
Yeah, Timothy goes on to justdestroy widows Like dude.
If your husband dies, oh, youare screwed ladies.
Oh my gosh, this is Timothy 5.
It says 1 Timothy 5.
You shall never have pleasureagain.
It does say that Until you're60.
Apparently, when you're 60.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And I'm sure it does.
It says that so weird.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Where did you see any ?
I just had this.
Let not a widow be taken intothe number under three score
years, having been the wife ofone man, so like.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I don't understand.
I don't understand any of this.
This is like yeah, now, now,she that is a widow, indeed, and
desolate, trusteth in God, butshe that liveth in pleasure is
dead while she liveth.
Ok, thanks, dude.
You having a good time, you'redead.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I see you shaking your rump, little rump shaker,
you're dead inside You'reshaking your widow rump.
You're not even sad, dude.
He died.
Died 40 years ago again, seeyou're not even properly sad.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh yeah, you're not grieving correctly.
Here.
We have right here Timothy andPaul, and all these guys say
that isn't that just disgusting?
Disgusting.
I will, therefore, and Paul andall these guys say that.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Isn't that just Disgusting?
Disgusting.
I will, therefore that youngerwomen marry, bear children,
guide the house, give noneoccasion to the adversary to
speak reproachfully, for someare already turned aside after
(48:54):
Satan.
Just the women Like.
Nothing about the men, this isall about widows.
You're just picking on thesepoor like, and I mean, my god,
they're they.
Who knows, maybe they had areally nice husband I know
people died early.
People died early.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
There was no osha and also exactly those tent makers
and widows, then, unless you hada very wealthy husband like you
, could be really screwed.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, you couldn't work, right, you didn't get paid
.
I mean, that was a whole thingwhere, like you, had no life
because the laws were alreadythere from whenever they started
writing the Bible in a way thatmade us subservient.
I know, it's just so.
Oh my God.
The widow was to be enrolled toa church and it must be three
(49:39):
score years old, having been thewife of one man.
Even when they explain this, Idon't understand what that means
.
The widow who was to beenrolled to be provided for by
the church so the church wouldtake care of them, must be three
score years old and having beenthe wife of one man.
Whether this is repudiation ofsecond marriages or refers to
(50:10):
the afflicted washed the saints'feet and diligently followed
every good work, is arecognition of a right of
principle which should be madepart of a social organization,
not just a church.
Right Like it's not their faultand because of the way the laws
are written, they can't takecare of themselves.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
You don't let them, not that they couldn't, and I
don't know why some of theselike doctrine and these really
specific rules like why aren'tthese looked at like?
If we were to look at like thisis how we handle the Xerox
copier.
Do you know what I mean?
(50:47):
I'm like that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, but I do yeah you're right.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
It's weird, it's not even a thing anymore.
Don't worry about it.
I said and again oh, and thisis.
I think this is LBC is writingthe response to all these.
I credited Elizabeth with theother thing.
I didn't mean to.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
No, she like, she brings up.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
This is so good to a similar thing Like what would
Paul think today?
What a spectacle the thousandsof breadwinning young and
unmarried women of today wouldbe to Paul if he could come here
.
Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, nowthink about it, Summon him.
Ooh, I love this too.
Whether married or unmarried,the highest duty of every living
soul, woman or man, is to seektruth and righteousness is to
(51:35):
seek truth and righteousness,and the liberty which is of the
spirit of truth does not admitof the bondage of husband and
wife the one to the other.
Freedom to seek souldevelopment is paramount to all
their demands.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Oh my gosh, yeah, your soul.
Everyone has one, and that isactually what Jesus is saying.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, he's like I don't know about all that.
Yeah, he's like my bestfriend's Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
She's rocking it out for me, spreading the good word.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
He's always like I'd rather hang out with the girls.
Anyway, this is our last littletidbit, right?
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Well, there is no prerogative more tenaciously
held by the common man than thatof rulership.
There is no greater oppositionto a woman's equality in the
state than there is in thechurch, and this notwithstanding
the fact that the church andthe pulpit are largely sustained
(52:24):
by women.
The church is spiritually andactually a womanly institution,
and this is recognized by theunvarying expression mother
church.
This is the mother church.
They actually call it thatstill today.
Yet man monopolizes all officesof distinction and leadership
(52:44):
and receives the salaries formaterial support as the
inevitable result.
Spiritual life has become solanguid as to be ineffectual,
and an effort is beingpersistently pushed by a portion
of the evangelical church aportion too which most
strenuously keeps its womensilent to fortify the church by
(53:08):
power of the civil government.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Oh my God, that's the whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
Why did I even need to?
Why did I ramble for a halfhour before this?
That's the whole thing.
That's all.
How did I miss that too?
That was in this thing.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
And that's not even the part I starred, because this
is the whole end.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
You're like y'all can't even handle the parts I
starred.
This is too much.
The truth will make your headfall off.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well, I love this.
This is for the Christians outthere that love Jesus.
There is no suggestion in theteaching of Jesus as recorded,
of compelling individualauthorities or powers to
acknowledge God.
The religion of Jesus is avoluntary acceptance of truth.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
I'm sorry.
Can you read that last lineagain?
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yes, because.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
The religion of Jesus is a voluntary acceptance of
truth.
Boom, quote.
God is a spirit and they whoworship him must worship in
spirit and in truth.
Quote.
There can be no compulsory lifeof the spirit quickened by the
source of light, light and love.
(54:18):
The masculine idea ofcompelling a formal
acknowledgement of God by thestate is entirely unchristian.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Until the feminine is recognized in the divine being
and justice is established inthe church by the complete
equality of women with man, thechurch cannot be thoroughly
Christian.
Honor thy father and thy motheris the commandment.
The human race cannot bebrought to its highest state
until motherhood is equallyhonored with fatherhood in human
(54:54):
institutions.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's it.
We've solved all of humanity'sproblems.
Thanks, lucinda B Chandler.
May you send your ancestors tocome give me a hug, and I want
to touch your essence, lucindaIs that weird to say you can
(55:24):
touch her essence.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Do you think Cindy's like a Victorian feminist
reincarnated?
She probably is.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
She's probably meditating on what we're saying,
because she's like Cindy giveus a sign, give me a sign that
you are listening.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Well, you know cats.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
Cindy is well entranced.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
She's entranced by our beautiful reading of that.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
But you know what?
It probably soothes her to hearthe truth.
It does.
She's like my lady's got it.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Cats love truth.
They do.
They love truth.
They love treats andbutterflies.
That's like me.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Keep my interest it's wild to read these.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
It seems like every week it's crazier and crazier in
this country and it's so tiedto this Mm-hmm it's.
I mean that, right there, thatlast.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
It is this.
It is this.
This has been.
What do you call that co-opted?
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, is that yeah?
Co-opted.
Like it had some good thingsBastardized.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
It's been bastardized .
Speaker 1 (56:24):
That was a doozy.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
It was.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
And thanks for sticking with us this whole way.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, and I hope that we offer some sort of solace to
those of you that are feelinglike us Right, wtf, yeah, but
how does it keep getting moreWTF-y?
Speaker 1 (56:41):
But I do hope that you wrote down all those
instructions on how to live as awoman and or a widow.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, you better note that yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
We'd hate for you to get swooped up by Satan.
So next week you know the fallis a crazy time and I think
you're going to be boppingaround, I'm going to be bopping
and gallivanting Be bopping.
So next week, maybe, just likea little bonus episode, we're
going to see, but we'll be backto the next full episode, which
you can expect.
(57:11):
That would be two weeks fromtoday.
Two weeks full episode, whichyou can expect.
That'd be two weeks from today,yeah, two weeks.
But we're going to see how muchlittle treats we can toss out
your way.
So stick with us, stick in.
But that next full episode isgoing to be the last bits of the
actual women's Bible, notincluding the appendix which we
may do a whole special series on.
So that's crazy.
(57:32):
So that is just a page and ahalf of the epistles to peter
and john, and then some wordsfrom our favorite oh, I love it
matilda jocelyn jocelyn gage iscoming back as one of the
analysts and elizabeth katiestanton on the book of
revelations I'm super.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
that's super important because people are
living that one.
Yeah, yeah, bringing, yeah,bringing them back.
So we'll see about that.
I'm looking forward to that too.
Yeah, you can fight the attackson free speech by supporting
podcasts just like this.
You can fulfill your good deedquoted today by subscribing,
commenting, leaving reviews,interacting on socials and, most
(58:11):
of all, by helping us spreadthe word.
Share this podcast far and wide.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
So until the next episode, keep your soul
development paramount.
We know you can.
Peace be with you and also withyou.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Shake my hand.
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