August 29, 2025 • 46 mins
Uncovering the hidden history of women in the early church, this episode dives deep into the Book of Acts as viewed through Elizabeth Cady Stanton's groundbreaking feminist lens. Sara Kaye and Joanna V reunite to explore what Victorian feminists discovered about women's roles in spreading Christianity – roles that male religious authorities have systematically erased over centuries.
Through stories like Sapphira (who died for obeying her husband's deception), Rhoda (whose truthful words were dismissed by men), and Lydia (a successful businesswoman), we discover that women were far more central to early Christianity than traditional interpretations admit. The hosts examine how these biblical women challenge the narrative of female submission that has dominated religious discourse.
The most explosive revelation comes from Ellen Battelle Dietrick, one of Stanton's collaborators, who argues that many biblical passages subordinating women were likely "bare-faced forgeries" inserted by "unscrupulous bishops" intent on silencing women. She points to a critical "missing link" of 500 years between Old Testament texts and New Testament compilation that calls into question the historical accuracy of how the Bible portrays gender roles.
This episode doesn't just reinterpret ancient stories – it provides a powerful framework for understanding how religious texts have been manipulated to justify women's oppression. As Sara Kaye says, "We are not sliding back. Public discourse has slid back." Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of biblical history that reminds women everywhere: you are sovereign.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chibi Jabber, there's Chibi.
I'm like Joanna.
Do you think you could try tobe like fun?
Not?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
with the Bible?
I don't think there's.
I don't think there's fun.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm like, do you think you could try to put some
fun in it, or you just want tostay dry?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, I think someone should have thought about the
fun when they wrote it.
That's right.
Ain't no fun in the Bible.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You know what, if that's right, ain't no fun in
the Bible.
You know what If you mix thewords around in Bible?
It says Libby.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Libby, that's fun, that's fun.
How fun is that?
I'm like Libby.
Hey, grab your Libby Grab yourLibby.
Come on over, grab your Libby.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Libs Liberals.
It's the podcast that SassySerpent warned you about.
Welcome to Biting All theApples, where two gals discuss
one radical book, thebest-selling critical and
comedic masterpiece from 1895,the Woman's Bible by Elizabeth
(01:01):
Cady Stanton.
What a lady, what a gal.
I love her.
I'm Sarah Kay.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm Joanna V.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We've got the co-hosts back together to talk
about the world-famous biblicalbook of Acts, through the lens
of Victorian feminists, ofcourse, and you know what our
summary is Acts ain't that badfor women, pretty good I mean.
You know, elizabeth CadyStanton even says so.
Of course there are somecaveats.
We're here for the caveats.
(01:37):
Can't wait to talk about thatand more, right after you hear
our handy, friendly and fabulousdisclaimers.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Biting All the Apples covers analysis of religious
texts.
Some listeners that arereligious out of the need for
the illusion of certainty mayfind the content offensive.
Biting All the Apples alsodiscusses historic texts and
feminist movements.
We recognize that individuals,groups and alternative movements
have been left out ofmainstream history.
(02:05):
We will note that wheneverpossible, we are open to
additional information providedto us in the spirit of expanding
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Meow, meow, meowza.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Meowza.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I have no boundaries because I'm not able to kick
this cat out of the studio.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'd like you know, it makes us homey.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I feel like we could do almost an interactive
listener thing.
You know, if you can tell ushow many times you heard the cat
?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
you're going to get a prize, because it's like a
little bit quiet.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, because she's got that beautiful voice.
It's like sing song, oh shit,Because she's very.
She's got that beautiful voice.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's like sync.
So how have you been?
I missed you last week.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But it also feels like it was like three weeks
Right, it wasn't.
We've been doing this, we'vebeen doing this, but it was that
one week off.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And it was a what a week.
I know I'm still drowning, butit's fine, it's great.
I like being underwater Gaspingfor air, gasping for air.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I mean, it's not like you're in charge of a bunch of
impressionable kids or anything.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's a big responsibility, yeah, and then
you know, but I have missed alot of current events, which has
been nice because I'm justdrowning in non-current events.
Yeah, so lovely.
How about you?
Any?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
distractions.
No, I've just been straightwatching the news.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm just soaking it all in.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'm soaking it all in ?
No, I do.
I make a concerted effort toconsume something creative and
literary that's good, beforeanything else happens.
And you've been lovely flowers.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh yeah, and I got my flowers, and so the world.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
When we say the world , well, it probably is the world
.
Anyways, I think it is theworld.
The nation is having a reallyhard time and climate change is
a thing, but I'm telling you,after several summers of growing
flowers, the pollinators thisyear popping.
Yeah, popping, I'm almost likehey, monarchs, go to the next
(04:25):
place, Stop taking my nectar.
We've got bees.
We've got several differentkinds of butterflies.
Oh my gosh, Hummingbirds SeeRuby.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Being outside Throated.
Oh Mm-hmm, see, that's amiracle, that's the wonder that
is the wonder.
That's the things that you know.
Like, hey, we humans we're notthat special, we're not that
special, we're actually justlike a scourge.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We are a scourge, and the bees and butterflies.
I'm just curious if anybodyelse has seen more.
It seems like a lot more thanever.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know what?
It's been so humid here, Icould not force myself to go
outside.
And now that the weather isnice, I cannot go outside
because I'm literally at worktill eight o'clock, because I
switched to grade levels, andit's a lot, it's a lot, it is a
lot.
You think it's not, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'll tell you this, reading the book of Acts, or at
least what they selected in thewomen's Bible it actually wasn't
that entertaining for me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, it was very dry.
Yeah, it was like literallyacts of what people were doing,
like I mean at least it's likethey sold us a bill of goods
with this title.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Super literal Like this is what Peter did, yeah,
and Paul did this, and he didthis and people were there
they're like literally lettersabout which is probably why I
mean I think I mentioned it inthe last episode, but this is
another one where they havetheir selection and then they
just are like reiterate whathappens.
(06:01):
And you're like yeah, girl Sawit, was there, read it, saw it,
read it.
Yeah, have the yeah, reiteratewhat happens.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And you're like yeah, girl, saw it, was there, read
it, saw it, read it.
Yeah, have the receipts.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But before we get into the sorry, I'm not checking
, I'm like I'm checking all mysocial medias.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
She just left and she's just checking the news.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
No, I did not have, I'm just checking.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I didn, but you reminded me that I took a
screenshot yesterday for somereason, and I can't.
I was like, oh, I took ascreenshot because but I can't
remember what the hell it was Iwas really took one screenshot.
I took two.
No, I take a lot, but I take alot of screenshots.
But two to do with oh good,good.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
At first I thought you were like.
I took a screenshot yesterday.
Have you ever?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Have you ever?
Have you ever done?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
that you press two buttons at the same time Whole
screen.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I take screenshots of so much stuff and never go back
.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Which is why I cannot stand when people are like, if
you show them a picture on theirphone, they grab your phone.
I'm like don't be scrollingthrough that shit.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I know, look, you're going to see Like more than like
.
I mean.
Look, there's a lot ofscreenshots and now I have
pictures of other people's Justfor fun.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
What were your last Other people's lesson plans Like
?
What were your last?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
like few screenshots of Well, I do screenshot memes
instead of saving them, for somereason.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, I don't know why.
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And but let's see what do I got?
Oh, I have a conversation withmy daughter via text that you
screenshotted, I screenshottedand then I sent it to my husband
.
I could have just wrote whatshe said, but that seemed
appropriate, so, and now I haveit.
Okay, what is this?
(07:40):
Oh, about food the CDC foodbeing bad.
So it's from an article.
Okay, and it was the food thatyou should not eat anymore,
because no one is checking itand I'm like this I'll need, but
will I ever find it when?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I need it.
I know there's a few foods theycould tell me to be like it's
bad.
Now I'd be like well, it'severything healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's the kind of funny thing that I thought about
.
It was like it's probably likelettuce, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, A cheese.
Ice cream, smoked fish, leafygreens, raw vegetables, sprouted
seeds, fresh herbs, berries,fresh cut fruit, prepackaged bag
salads.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I have one of the screenshots.
I screenshotted the warningabout how no one's ever going to
be able to get the COVIDvaccine ever again.
Oh, yeah, and I sent that toyou and Carrie, so I spread
misinformation.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh, is it misinformation?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh I have no idea.
It came from a reputable source.
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm telling you that someone else told me that yeah.
And she's a specialist ininfectious disease and runs a
lab and was like go get yourshot right now.
So it's like I think that'slegit.
Yeah, that's a good screenshotand for historical purposes,
Exactly when someone finds yourphone with 8 million
screenshots- when ICE finds myphone, they'll be like I don't
(08:57):
take her out Other screenshotTravis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's
engagement ring.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh, that's a good one .
That's a good screenshot.
I'm not even particularly ahuge fan but I was like I just
had to confirm that.
Oh, screenshot of a list ofgear that our local sheriff's
department.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh yeah, oh my God, what kind of craziness is that.
Do you see how much money?
They got the most money inMichigan, and I think it's
because you know they're buddies, they hosted it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's a website you can check and see how much your
county this is in all 50 stateshow much they received from the
new DOD.
Budget Like a budget I startedthat sentence sounding like I
was going to just really deliverinformation.
I go from the new money, Fromthe new Trump sucks.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But so they all these placesyou can look up and see what
your police department got, whatthey bought with the money.
So it's a little frightening,to be honest.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, Mind-resistant vehicle, night vision goggle
truck, van tactical recon kit,telescope, flashlight, thermal
sight.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So that's just.
And this is more frighteningbecause I know that the 2A group
is very local here.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know the Second Amendment group yeah Well, this
is a second amendment, sanctuary.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh yeah, yeah and this dude that got all this
stuff is a nut job, and just toknow that a agricultural
community got a mine resistantvehicle and some night scopes.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm just it's weird.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's weird, it's a sign of the times peeps.
That's a good screenshot.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, my other screenshot was from a group I'm
in.
It's a teacher group and it wasabout the new Michigan State
school superintendent.
And then it's all thesecomments from people who worked
with him saying that he's like acomplete nut job.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I heard it on the news and they just said like
he's got great schools and I'mlike, well, according to the
people that actually work forhim disagree yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I got the screenshots , but I've been screenshotting.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'll never use them because it's a private group and
I will never use them.
But I just needed it for my own, for your screenshot collection
for my screenshot.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I know just I want to know listen, listeners, tell us
the last five things youscreenshotted.
Yeah, don't you want to know?
Now I had, I know that we weretalking about acts.
Oh, because I did havesomething to bring up.
Oh, about acts, and then we canget, because we started talking
about how they were.
It's kind of drier, oh yes,with the women's bible thing,
(11:49):
and it's relatively short.
What's it like?
three, four pages yeah, it's notum so seeing acts I'm, you know
, I'm on the internet you're onthe I'm on the internet and I am
on the blue sky and someone'slike oh look, peter Thiel's
given a lecture on the Bible.
And they show a shot of PeterThiel and it looks like a
(12:13):
picture of him, probably fromwhen he was like 21.
And he's totally photoshopped,because I'm like I've seen that
dude, he doesn't look like that.
That's not the point, though.
It's not the picture, okay, butthat's weird.
But his so he's given a lectureon the Bible and his whole
Christianity group.
Do you know this that they'retrying to bring back, or they're
trying to fuse Christianitywith kind of like this tech god
(12:33):
situation?
What Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
me you have not heard of this.
No, is this real Guess?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Oh, it's real.
Guess what his group's name isActs 17.
Oh my God, joanna's dead.
We're going to try to continue.
I just fell over.
That's crazy.
Yeah, so an Acts stands foracknowledging Christ in
(13:00):
technology and society, and Iguess last week he was talking
about that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Wait, so God lives in technology.
Is that what they're saying?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, what I I mean Because I'm pretty sure it's
Satan A ton, a ton of greatwriters and investigative
journalists have written on this, and I'll link to some articles
that I've Wait on the and I'lllink to some articles that I've
Wait on that group, On thiswhole these tech bros, how
they're trying to get peopleinto Christianity.
(13:31):
I don't even know if they'retrying to get people, but it's
because they see themselves asgodlike.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And so I'll link to some good.
I'm not going to do it justice.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But this is my own hot take is.
To me, it just further provesthat Christianity is a setup and
it is a way for usually men toput themselves in power because
they're like we're going to usethe.
I mean like I don't know ifwe've lived through a time where
somebody has co-opted it, I'msure back in what was it?
(14:04):
Constantine's days a similarthing happened.
They're like we're going to allof a sudden actually, yeah,
let's get into this, Jesus guy.
And that's like who I am and theLord and kings.
You know that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
I mean I don't have a verycomplete thesis on this, but my
own thing from us doing thisproject is I'm like it goes
right in line with what we keepon bringing back.
Yes, it's just continuing thehistorical precedence which is.
We're going to co-opt this andmake it so that I can use it for
myself.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
And is it co-opting, or is Christianity just male
power?
Gosh, that's a hard one, yeah,think about it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm a little sad Because, you know, I really like
Jesus.
I like all the things thatJesus does, Cindy.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So I feel like why can't we just have the book of
Jesus and call it a day, but thething is there's been tons of
guys that have been as nice asJesus.
That is true and actually lotsof women.
Yeah, yes, there's been tons ofguys that have been as nice as
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That is true, and actually lots of women.
Yeah, yes, there have, andthat's what?
And I bet the real Jesus wouldbe like why?
How did I get wrapped up inthis, like for real?
I mean, I just was like get themoney out of society, basically
, and then you totally evenscrew that up, get my name out
(15:32):
of your mouth.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And all the mouths in the future, right?
So yeah, acts is a book in theBible.
It's also the name of PeterThiel's nerd club, nerd church.
Nerd church I don't even wantto call them nerds, though.
I know it's like.
Nerd church sounds cool.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I know Bible it's also the name of Peter Thiel's
nerd club, nerd church, nerdchurch I don't even want to call
them nerds though I know it'slike nerd church sounds cool.
I know I would go to that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I would go to that.
Just evil overlord.
There you go, thank you.
So all right, we're just tryingto get into this Bible.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Like the ladies picked a whole bunch of sections
and they barely said anythingabout them except for, like,
what actually happened, yeah Inthe thing, although actually
sometimes it's quite helpfulbecause I'm like what actually
did that say?
And they just like say it andI'm like, oh, thank you.
Yeah, that was my question whenI finished reading the actual
words from the Bible, althougheven then.
(16:20):
In 1895, they were way more intune with the Bible.
Oh, so much, so so they saythings and I'm like, oh, I still
need to look that up.
So the first one.
So tell me what's the book?
Honestly, the one that myfavorite was the first one, just
because there's a story about aman and a wife, ananias and his
(16:42):
wife Sapphira I think that isher name.
I love that.
But they pretend to be good andgive all their money away, but
in actuality they just lied andthey said they gave it all and
they kept some money and then,wah, they're dead.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
But I like how they said it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They said yielded up the ghost and I was like, what
does that mean?
Like did they call up a?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
ghost, or I mean, does it mean give up?
The guy thought he was dead,but yeah, they just yield up
their soul, I guess.
Oh, but they're still alive.
No, they're dead, oh no, theydid, that's.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh, now you tell me, this is horrible.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
They yield up the ghost.
And then, um, well, first itwas just the husband, because
they were like hey, that's notgood.
And he, um, and then the womancame around and they were like
yo, woman, didn't you know.
And she was like well, kind of,and they were like you're dead.
But then the ladies are justlike well, obedience of one
(17:39):
responsible being to another mayoftentimes prove dangerous,
even if the command comes from ahusband, because, remember,
it's all obedience at that point, that's right.
And they're like.
She listened to him and oof off, her ghost went.
She had to yield her ghost.
She had to yield her ghost.
All because of that danghusband, Greedy husband.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But that was my favorite one.
That is good.
Yeah, I think I highlightedthat where I was like dude's
typical Typical.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The other one is Dorcas oh.
Dorcas, I just like her name.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Is that again?
Is that how you who cares?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's how we're pronouncing it.
That's how they said it in theAudible, so I'm going with.
It's got to be Dorcas.
This is.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Acts 9, right 36.
Okay, it's got to be Dorcas.
This is Acts 9, right 36-41.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Dorcas, what's her deal with Tabitha?
I didn't really get it becauseshe was a great woman.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
There's so many that I'm like what, I didn't get it.
I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, she was a great woman.
She died and then, all of asudden, peter came and rose her
up, even though she was sick andold, and he just said rise up.
And she rose up and she wasalive again.
So she was so great she becamealive again, and that's like
literally it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, and I do like this that Elizabeth writes.
This is the first instance ofany apostle performing a miracle
of this kind.
There was no witness to thismiracle.
What men teach in their highplaces, such women as dorkus,
illustrate in their lives.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
snap, yeah, yeah yeah , that's all you really need to
know that's good.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
She was like yeah, see this part.
Yeah, typical.
She's like I don't even knowwitness.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Oh nice miracle yeah, and, and she probably did it
herself because no one was thereto witness.
She was probably like rise upmyself, I'm back alive.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
She's like sure.
And the next one Acts 16.
Oh, yes, Okay.
What do you got for this?
It has a damsel in it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I like a good damsel.
So basically, all theseapostles were just like walking
around and doing good deeds.
Apparently the king had putsome of them in jail because
obviously King Herod wanted themall dead, because he only
wanted people worshiping him.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That dude sounds like somebody I know, right, I know,
does he?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
have like yellow hair .
Speaker 1 (20:02):
He's got a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, a lot of similarities in the orange
buffoon.
Yeah, because he keeps showingup and I'm like it's our guy.
It's our guy Sounds like anidiot.
Like what idiot would be?
Like I'm going to kill all thebabies.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I know like relax.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think one's going to grow up to be a king.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, relax, just do your king thing.
Yeah, relax, just do your kingthing.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, enjoy your, enjoy your fiefdom yeah, and
have your gold and drink out ofyour goblet.
But, leave the rest of us alone.
But then they talk about angels.
So he had.
He was supposed to be in jailbut he showed up and there was a
woman that saw Peter and shewas like guys, I just saw Peter
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and they're like you're crazy.
She's like no, like legit, justsaw Peter and and then Peter
kept knocking because she's likeno, he's out here, and they're
like no, and so Peter's like ohmy God, peter.
And she's like dude.
I told you that but theywouldn't believe her.
(21:07):
They thought she was crazy.
Then they were like the Lordtook me out of prison and
totally disregard the fact thatthe lady had already told like
guys, peter's here.
An angel took him out and theywere like no, no, no.
And then it took Peter to comein and be like pa-da, pa-da, I'm
Peter, and no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And then it took peter to come in and be like I'm
peter here and she's stillstanding there, like I just said
that so, to recap, nobodybelieves women, but men can
write stories about like burningbushes, talking asses, bringing
people back from the dead.
Nobody sees any of this, butthey're like trust me
(21:48):
everybody's like sounds right onand then these women, just like
what's her face a couplechapters ago, who was like an
angel said to name my son John,and they're like okay let's get
your husband in here.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You gotta name the dad, and the dad's like name him
John.
And they're like okay, let'sget your husband in here.
You gotta name the day.
And the dad's like name himJeff.
And they're like oh, okay, yeah, craytown, it's a mad name so
the ladies said, um, so they hadall.
All these people were likefollowers of Peter's.
So they were like, althoughthey all were often praying for
(22:27):
Peter's deliverance, they couldnot believe Rhoda when she said
that Peter stood knocking at thegate and when, really like
hello, you prayed for this.
And she's saying, why wouldn'tyou be like, oh, prayers have
been answered.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, they're like nah it's Rhoda, you know she is.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Rhoda, you know she is no way.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, that's ridiculous, and Ijust wrote why were they praying
if you didn't believe that itwas gonna work?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
yeah, isn't that a sin?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
is it?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
a sin not to believe?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean if you're praying like, if you're
pretending being raised Catholiclike I absorbed that.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That was like if you don't believe, it's wrong um,
well, well, yeah, you go to hell.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, you don't remember that.
Well, that was okay.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I remember correctly, that was my because that was my
first questioning.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Like when I started, like questioning, I'm like, okay
, like I love, I love the thingsjesus is doing.
But like if, if we arefollowing what he says and I
says, then why would we saythese people that are doing good
things but they're Buddhistscan't go to heaven?
Like they're not doing anythingbad, but just because you don't
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believe in my guy, you can't go.
And I had a real problem withthat because I'm like that
doesn't seem fair.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And it doesn't make any sense, right?
What did they say?
Were they like you may't seemfair and it doesn't make any
sense, right?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
What did they say Were?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
they like you may never repeat what you just said.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
They're like shh no, they're basically like you're
such a teenager, you know thoseare like don't.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
They're like.
Life will beat you down soonenough.
You won't have any thoughts oropinions of your own.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right Little did they know.
Well, we should move on to acertain woman named Lydia.
Do it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, yes, certain woman.
This is Acts 16.
Yeah Right, Isn't that what wedid?
I love a certain woman.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So the certain woman named Lydia, and then later a
certain damsel possessed with aspirit of divination, so she was
divine.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Anyways.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I just thought it was funny, but she was a soothsayer
.
I love soothsayers and she wasgood and she was well, I don't
know if she was good or she wascorrupt, she might have just
been a little, you know, craftmagician.
She had masters, though, so shewas kind of like a slave
soothsayer and she was makingthem lots of money right Yep yep
, now Lydia just sold purpleclothes which apparently was a
(24:52):
popular color.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I like to hear what Elizabeth says.
She was a merchant whotrafficked in purple clothes.
Purple clothes.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And I love some purple clothes.
I love a purple cloth, somecloth.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I love a purple cloth , some cloth.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But yeah, they sent Peter and they brought the
spirit of evil out of thesoothsayer.
And man, the masters were mad.
Yeah, they were like thatsoothsayer, that certain damsel
was my moneymaker, that's right.
And they rose up and went afterhim.
(25:30):
And so basically, peter did,paul did, a good thing by
bringing this evil spirit out ofthis lady.
And of course, the magistrateswere nuts about it because they
weren't making any money oh,because they think that susane
is evil is evil.
Right right, because it's notthe magic of the burning bush.
Right Right, it was like itsown magic, right, its own magic.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And they're like you, just cost us a lot of money.
This is ridiculous.
It's like De Niro in Casino.
It is, it is.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
You know where I'm going withthis?
Go when he could pick all thewinners for the sports books,
and the big mob bosses were likeyou, don't let anybody mess
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with him.
Just like that.
It is exactly like that.
In fact, I'll have to ask Martyif he based Casino on Acts 16.
What else we got?
Acts 18.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So this takes place in Greece.
Oh, yes, but then he moves toSyria.
They just bebopped all aroundback in the yeah Well, how were
they bebopping on?
I don't Camels, camels by foot,donkeys.
Of course Asses.
Yeah, gotta, take an, ass.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
An ass can get you pretty far, can really get you
far, a good ass opens doors.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Okay, so this one is a lovely lady, she and her
husband, priscilla, and Aquila.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Aquila.
They were tent makers, yeah,and Paul ended up staying with
them, which was nice because noteverybody was welcoming to the
apostles.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh, and they were like come on in.
They were probably like youguys are dirty hippies, Right
Sat cloth.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Pretty much.
You're like get out of hereyeah get out of here but these
people.
They were like come on in andthey let him live with them for
a couple months.
And they're like learn to maketents.
And he was like okay, soobviously the apostles
hardworking working as well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's right.
It was an excellent custom ofthose days for educated people
to be also instructed in somemechanical trade.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, so I think the story was like this is what.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
This is, one where I really was like why is this in
the women's Bible?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I guess maybe because even the woman was revered like
she wasn't thought of as lessthan oh, thank you.
Yeah, they, they were like theywere a team, the husband and
wife that's right.
Not only that the guy wasn'ttelling her what to do.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Um, they were like a team that's right, because in
this next super short passagefrom acts 21, with this oh, oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I don't know how to say that, but that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Caesarea, caesarea, caesarea.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Caesarea.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't really get what the story is.
Somebody has four daughters.
They were endowed with a giftof prophecy and perhaps they
gave limitations to Paul.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
He had it's like very short.
He was a deacon Philip and hehad lovely daughters apparently.
I don't know why they have tosay they were virgins.
First of all, how did they know?
Were they going around checking?
I know All these virgins.
Did they have like a virgin?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
checker.
They probably did.
I think we don't want to ask.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Oh, you're probably right.
Oh my God, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, okay, you're right.
So, because this goes into, Ithink she just put it as an
example to show what she sayslater.
Women are quite highly honoredin the book of Acts.
If we accept the tragedy of theunfortunate wife who obeyed her
husband, yeah, which was thefirst story we heard right, yeah
, where she was like.
I just followed what he saidand they're like you got to give
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up the ghost Now you're dead,so all of what he said and
they're like.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You got to give up the ghost.
Now you're dead, so she's like,but I obeyed, like.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
This is what you told me to obey, I should have read
the first part of this, withphilip's four daughters all
endowed with the spirit ofprophecy, and priscilla as a
teacher of great principles tothe orators of her time and one
of paul's chosen travelingcompanions.
Women are quite highly honoredin the book of acts, so that was
why she put that in there.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I mean they were.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And so when Paul was traveling around, right yeah, he
was like, yeah, I hung out withwomen, but, as we've learned,
they always did.
Always, and there were womeninvolved in all of that.
They just didn't get paintedinto the big picture.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And they were even judges and priests and all that
Goodness.
And they were even judges andpriests and all that Goodness.
They were there.
Yeah, they're in the historybooks.
And then we just kind of gotaway with it oh.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Drusilla.
Yeah, this very last one.
This is Acts, acts 24, verse 24, 25.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, we got Felix and Drusilla and they were married.
Now, drusilla was a daughter ofHerod, but she was married to a
king, but she left him to livewith this guy, Felix.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I didn't know.
Felix was like a biblical name.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Actually a lot of these.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I'm like really I know I'm like Sephora Actually
that does sound kind of ancient.
Sorry, that wasn't a goodexample Felix, yeah, deb yeah,
deborah yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And then so.
But Felix really was not aChristian, but he was interested
in the whole thing.
So he asked the apostle to comeand teach him about it.
But he wasn't really interested, he was just curious, and so
was the wife.
By the way, the wife hadbeheaded someone before.
So I mean.
Side note, not high character,the wife.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
by the way, the wife had beheaded someone before so I
mean side note not high I'mthinking well, who is the guy
that's not judger?
Oh, it's james, but I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I don't know what james did, but um I don't think
it's a good thing to beheadsomeone.
I'm just gonna throw that outthere, no matter what oh yeah,
it's messy it's the cleanup, thecleanup.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
yeah, no, no, yeah but this closing by ebd just has
me like oh my gosh, and that'sellen batil dietrich, right?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
yeah, she's a baddie.
She is such a baddie and she'sthe one that passed away before
they were.
She did not see the publishingof the second part of Women's
Bible.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And she also wrote her own book.
It was written in 1897, and itwas literally just called Women
in Early Christian Ministry.
I know, yeah, and the subtitleis a reply to this dude that she
calls out in here.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh, do tell yeah, bring it together.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Bring it together girl, yeah, so the subtitle of
her book was A Reply to BishopDoan Ooh.
So I just want you to know thatDoan was a bishop in New York
and he was the very first bishopto build a cathedral in the
United States and it was veryexpensive, by the way, and he
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really didn't like women.
Oh, shocker, shocker, shocker,shocker.
He was active in speaking outagainst the women's suffrage.
And here's a nod to the currenttimes.
And here's a nod to the currenttimes.
Believe that women's naturalplace was in the home, taking
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care of the children.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh, there it is, it's natural, it's the natural Side
question.
I was thinking about this asbecause last week I learned that
Jesus only talked to his momthree times in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Did you already know that?
No, I did not.
I mean, I never thought aboutit.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
But yeah, she's not mentioned a lot and I was like
it's so funny this whole likefamily values thing.
I'm curious.
I wonder if any listeners knowwhen did this family values
thing get attached?
Because we've worked our waythrough this Bible and there
actually isn't anything aboutthat stuff.
(32:59):
There is some stuff that's likehonor the father and mother,
but from the stuff we've read incontext it's more like yeah, so
if they want to sacrifice youto death, you have to honor that
.
It has nothing to do with thenuclear family that.
America has attached toChristianity Nothing to do with
it?
I don't see it, and if anybodycan show me where?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Please bring it to us .
Because, all I've seen is mentaking multitudes of women and
just having scores of children.
There's no traditional in that,and I've seen some really nasty
mothers that don't even careabout their kids.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yes, Also In the Bible.
Also all of the apostles lefttheir families.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Oh true.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
They all left their families Absolutely.
And they don't write abouttheir families.
So, like where connect that forus?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, please.
Please If you could connect thedots.
And it has to be like legit, belike legit.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It has to be legit.
Don't give me any read theBible.
Yeah, show me.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You need to give me the page that I can find in my
Bible too, right, okay?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay, and then we're going to call up Elizabeth Cady
Stanton and she's going to comedown from the heavens.
We're going to resurrect herBecause we are connected.
Yes, we are.
I feel like we are we areMolecularly we are.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I know Connected to her.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I feel that with EBD too.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh my gosh, EBD for certain, yeah.
So the end of this is basicallylike hey guys, you got to pull
your heads out your asses andrealize we are being oppressed
by some crazy men, and I like,and one of them is this Cardinal
Dolan Damn, or what's his name,bishop?
(34:45):
I think it's Bishop Dolan Dolan,so the Reverend Edwin Hatch.
He actually sounds like a goodguy.
That was actually a historicalguy.
They say hey, I have to admit,guys, and this is 1895, we don't
really have a lot of details onthese apostles, right?
(35:10):
Right, he said Paul's life inRome and all the rest of the
history this is Dr Edwin Hatchare all enveloped in mists from
which no single gleam of certainlight emerges.
The place and occasion of hisdeath are not less uncertain
than the facts of his later life.
The chronology of the rest ofPaul's life is as uncertain as
(35:32):
the date of his death.
We have no means of knowingwhen he was born, or how long he
lived, or at what date theseveral events of his life took
place.
That was his quote.
Now we're on to EBD.
Exactly the same may be said ofPeter.
The strongest probability isthat Paul and Peter were two
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obscure men who lived in thelatter part of the first or
beginning of the second century,neither of whom could have seen
first century Jesus so like.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Damn.
Yeah, like they're like checkit out.
I wonder if there's been anyupdates legit historian updates.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I hope I should check that I can.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But I mean, if they're like they don't have it
there, maybe something wasn'tcovered.
I like this line where she waslike as for the passages now
found in the New Testamentepistles of Paul concerning
women's non equality Wait,concerning women's non equality
with men and duty of subjection,there is no room to doubt that
they are bare faced forgeries.
Room to doubt that they arebare-faced forgeries
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interpolated by unscrupulousbishops during the early period
in which a combined anddetermined effort was made to
reduce women to silentsubmission, not only in the
church but also in the home andin the state.
I mean, you're right.
I mean her entire passage inthis thing she goes on to to
even.
I mean, she's just like rippingthem up.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Ripping them.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Ripping on them and she's like you don't even,
doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I probably should read her book because it's just
like come on, people, and thefact that they've left out all
the women's stuff talks aboutthat bishop.
She's like whether Bishop Doanis ignorant of this fact, about
not having enough history, orwhether he is merely presuming
upon women's ignorance thereof.
(37:27):
It is impossible to say, butone thing is clear, and that is
that the time has arrived whenall women should be informed of
the true status of their sex inthe ministry of primitive church
.
We were there, it's written.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
You just read it in the Acts.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They were doing the works, they were hanging out,
they were doing the things, theywere walking with the apostles,
teaching the apostles, stuff.
You know it, mr Bishop, youknow it Isn't that wild and
that's the thing that's mostconcerning this.
Yeah, you know, it Isn't thatwild and that's the thing that's
most concerning this place oflove, the church.
It's supposed to be a place oflove and acceptance and
everything is really run byyucky male tyrants.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
But this is why I mean, you hear it from so many
different groups and I can'thelp it because I'm like I know
white guys they're cool, but I'mlike sorry dudes, but white men
have a real.
The only talent that they'resuperior at is erasing people
(38:35):
exactly.
I mean they've done it toNative Americans, African
Americans.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Mexicans, and they are, like, literally actively
doing it right now and we'rewatching it happen.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And it is.
It's that's what they do.
They're just like.
We're just going to erase thispart of the Smithsonian doing it
right now as we sit here.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
yeah, erasing history , and you can't believe that
someone corrupted this book,that you, right, are living your
life right right, right.
How can you?
Where is the disconnect?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
it's fucking wild, I'm like okay, it does.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It raises my like.
I'm like you're what?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's so they are going to.
I bet that's oh man.
Yeah, I mean, she waseverything she says in this
whole.
I think I could have justunderlined this entire thing.
Did you get this part you?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
didn't read this part here, where she's like the
first.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
The first important truth for them to learn
concerning the question is thatthere's a missing link of some
500 years between the close ofthat body of literature known as
the Old Testament and thecompilation of that collection
of letters, narratives, etc.
Now presented to us as thequote-unquote New Testament.
Girls of Christian families arecommonly inoculated in their
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ignorant and thereforehelplessly credulous youth with
unquestioning belief that theNew Testament was written in the
first century of our era bydisciples who are contemporary
with Jesus, and that Peter andPaul were first century
Christians, the former of whomhad personally known and
followed Jesus, while the latterwas a convert from Judaism
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after Jesus's death, neverhaving seen the teacher himself
and I'm telling you as somebodythat grew up in this crap, I
didn't know that, no, I didn'teither.
Look, I'm like.
I even paused because I waslike my mind's blown too and
because you could still take thebook.
It has good, cool stories.
It's got great moral lessons.
(40:40):
Listen that story of Esther andVashti, great, great story.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Keep that.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Which, by the way, well we do.
Anyways, I wanted to talk aboutProject Esther and why it may
be named after that, but wecould do that a different time.
Yeah, anyway Dang it Back tothis.
So that's why an EBD.
She is an expert in this, shewas a scholar and she wrote
(41:09):
books on this.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, specifically about women being able to
minister.
So it was probably somethingshe wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
And she must have been an expert, very
knowledgeable, because she waspicked on for it, so otherwise
they'd just be like she's just acrazy lady, right, you know?
Yeah, what's the last, do youhave any other?
I mean, I underline a ton ofstuff, but you know.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
That's the gist of it .
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, I had.
Oh, and they do talk about Acts, chapter 17.
That's kind of creepy.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh, they do.
What do they say?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It says and in Acts, chapter 17,.
We are explicitly told that theGreek converts made by Paul in
Greece were chief women.
Honorable women, this issufficient refutation.
Is that the word?
I think so, refutation.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Of the argument of the clergyman who strives to
clear the character of Paul atthe expense of the character of
the women of Corinth.
The Corinthians.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Letters from Corinthians.
The Greeks.
There's a Corinth Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
They used to have a slug burger festival.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Like with slugs?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Nope, it was because they were burgers that used to
be charged a nickel.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Just a nickel down there in Mississippi, down there
in Corinth, all you need is alittle slug.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
That's right, just get yourself a slug burger.
I love it, yeah, so anyways.
So that's X, that's X, that's X.
I mean, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Episode 21.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Women are good.
We're in the ministry, guys, Iknow, but we're not, but we're
not, but we are not and we'rejust sliding back.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
We're sliding back, I mean not without a fight, I
mean we.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
They're pushing us.
Everybody remember this.
We're not sliding.
We are actually not slidingback.
Public discourse has slid back.
Okay, that doesn't mean thatwomen have.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
No, we are sovereign, yeah, we are ungovernable.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We are Xena warrior, princess.
No, I don't know what I wasgoing to say.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
We shall overcome that's right and find our
rightful place at the head ofthe table.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's right.
Find our at the round table.
Oh, we don't need to be at thehead.
I love a round table.
That's right.
Find our at the round table.
Oh, we don't need to be at thehead.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I love a round table.
Okay, there is nothing betterthan gathering in a circle, I
know.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I know Kumbaya girl or next episode.
I always say next week we'regoing to make it.
So next episode we will beEpistling, epistling.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
We're going to be epistling.
That's a very poppy thing,sorry, we're going to epistle,
so epistles Romans andCorinthians.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
That's what we're going through next week hey.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Romans and Greeks.
Romans and Corinthians.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Romans and Greeks, let's do it up.
So we're doing that.
I hope that we sparked eitherthrough the screenshot call out.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That was a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
The screenshot call out that was a good one.
Wasn't that a good?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
one I really want to see.
I'm so curious.
Please send us your screenshot.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yes, those are gold.
Those are gold, or you can justtell us what they were.
Yeah, I mean because maybe it'slike yeah, maybe you don't want
to send us that.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Maybe it's private.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Get your exif data off first.
You know what I'm saying.
We're going to be doing that.
Please reach out to us.
Please share this witheverybody.
You know, we truly don't knowhow much longer we'll be able to
do this, yeah yeah.
Because I don't know we may bein work camps soon.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
It's true, who knows?
I know we definitely.
I don't think we can be in thebirthing thing but maybe we'll
have to be the midwives.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
That would be a miracle.
They do not want me to be amidwife Actually, I'd be great,
right, yeah, all right, we'lltalk about that.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Breathe through it.
Breathe through it.
Give me a baby.
I'll be like get her a coldCoca-Cola.
She looks sweaty.
Get her a Coke.
Get her a Coke.
Get her a Coke A little bit ofnicotine.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
They'll get that baby out.
You just got to get relaxed.
I'll be like.
I feel like she could use anicotine patch.
We'll get that baby out.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I'd hire you.
You're hired, thank you.
Thank you as long as you speakin southern draws.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yes, it makes everything better, it really
does I slip into it sometimesbecause I miss being in
Tennessee a bit.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I would like that, yeah, tennessee.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I feel like you could say the most hateful thing and
it would just still feel good inthe soul.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
What in southern accent?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, yeah just like you're insulting me, but I like
it.
Okay, so we said all that Likeyou're insulting me, but I like
it.
Okay.
So we said all that.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Thank you so much for listening.
Like us, share us.
Like us, share us.
And this week, remember you aresovereign.
Yes, Thank you.
Chibi Jabber, there's Chibi.
I'm like Joanna.
Do you think you could try tobe like fun?
Not?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
with the Bible?
I don't think there's.
I don't think there's fun.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm like, do you think you could try to put some
fun in it, or you just want tostay dry?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, I think someone should have thought about the
fun when they wrote it.
That's right.
Ain't no fun in the Bible.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You know what, if that's right, ain't no fun in
the Bible.
You know what If you mix thewords around in Bible?
It says Libby.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Libby, that's fun, that's fun.
How fun is that?
I'm like Libby.
Hey, grab your Libby Grab yourLibby.
Come on over, grab your Libby.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Libs Liberals.
It's the podcast that SassySerpent warned you about.
Welcome to Biting All theApples, where two gals discuss
one radical book, thebest-selling critical and
comedic masterpiece from 1895,the Woman's Bible by Elizabeth
(01:01):
Cady Stanton.
What a lady, what a gal.
I love her.
I'm Sarah Kay.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm Joanna V.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We've got the co-hosts back together to talk
about the world-famous biblicalbook of Acts, through the lens
of Victorian feminists, ofcourse, and you know what our
summary is Acts ain't that badfor women, pretty good I mean.
You know, elizabeth CadyStanton even says so.
Of course there are somecaveats.
We're here for the caveats.
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Can't wait to talk about thatand more, right after you hear
our handy, friendly and fabulousdisclaimers.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Biting All the Apples covers analysis of religious
texts.
Some listeners that arereligious out of the need for
the illusion of certainty mayfind the content offensive.
Biting All the Apples alsodiscusses historic texts and
feminist movements.
We recognize that individuals,groups and alternative movements
have been left out ofmainstream history.
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We will note that wheneverpossible, we are open to
additional information providedto us in the spirit of expanding
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Meow, meow, meowza.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Meowza.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I have no boundaries because I'm not able to kick
this cat out of the studio.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'd like you know, it makes us homey.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I feel like we could do almost an interactive
listener thing.
You know, if you can tell ushow many times you heard the cat
?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
you're going to get a prize, because it's like a
little bit quiet.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, because she's got that beautiful voice.
It's like sing song, oh shit,Because she's very.
She's got that beautiful voice.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's like sync.
So how have you been?
I missed you last week.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But it also feels like it was like three weeks
Right, it wasn't.
We've been doing this, we'vebeen doing this, but it was that
one week off.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And it was a what a week.
I know I'm still drowning, butit's fine, it's great.
I like being underwater Gaspingfor air, gasping for air.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I mean, it's not like you're in charge of a bunch of
impressionable kids or anything.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's a big responsibility, yeah, and then
you know, but I have missed alot of current events, which has
been nice because I'm justdrowning in non-current events.
Yeah, so lovely.
How about you?
Any?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
distractions.
No, I've just been straightwatching the news.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm just soaking it all in.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'm soaking it all in ?
No, I do.
I make a concerted effort toconsume something creative and
literary that's good, beforeanything else happens.
And you've been lovely flowers.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh yeah, and I got my flowers, and so the world.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
When we say the world , well, it probably is the world
.
Anyways, I think it is theworld.
The nation is having a reallyhard time and climate change is
a thing, but I'm telling you,after several summers of growing
flowers, the pollinators thisyear popping.
Yeah, popping, I'm almost likehey, monarchs, go to the next
(04:25):
place, Stop taking my nectar.
We've got bees.
We've got several differentkinds of butterflies.
Oh my gosh, Hummingbirds SeeRuby.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Being outside Throated.
Oh Mm-hmm, see, that's amiracle, that's the wonder that
is the wonder.
That's the things that you know.
Like, hey, we humans we're notthat special, we're not that
special, we're actually justlike a scourge.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We are a scourge, and the bees and butterflies.
I'm just curious if anybodyelse has seen more.
It seems like a lot more thanever.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know what?
It's been so humid here, Icould not force myself to go
outside.
And now that the weather isnice, I cannot go outside
because I'm literally at worktill eight o'clock, because I
switched to grade levels, andit's a lot, it's a lot, it is a
lot.
You think it's not, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'll tell you this, reading the book of Acts, or at
least what they selected in thewomen's Bible it actually wasn't
that entertaining for me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, it was very dry.
Yeah, it was like literallyacts of what people were doing,
like I mean at least it's likethey sold us a bill of goods
with this title.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Super literal Like this is what Peter did, yeah,
and Paul did this, and he didthis and people were there
they're like literally lettersabout which is probably why I
mean I think I mentioned it inthe last episode, but this is
another one where they havetheir selection and then they
just are like reiterate whathappens.
(06:01):
And you're like yeah, girl Sawit, was there, read it, saw it,
read it.
Yeah, have the yeah, reiteratewhat happens.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And you're like yeah, girl, saw it, was there, read
it, saw it, read it.
Yeah, have the receipts.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But before we get into the sorry, I'm not checking
, I'm like I'm checking all mysocial medias.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
She just left and she's just checking the news.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
No, I did not have, I'm just checking.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I didn, but you reminded me that I took a
screenshot yesterday for somereason, and I can't.
I was like, oh, I took ascreenshot because but I can't
remember what the hell it was Iwas really took one screenshot.
I took two.
No, I take a lot, but I take alot of screenshots.
But two to do with oh good,good.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
At first I thought you were like.
I took a screenshot yesterday.
Have you ever?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Have you ever?
Have you ever done?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
that you press two buttons at the same time Whole
screen.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I take screenshots of so much stuff and never go back
.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Which is why I cannot stand when people are like, if
you show them a picture on theirphone, they grab your phone.
I'm like don't be scrollingthrough that shit.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I know, look, you're going to see Like more than like
.
I mean.
Look, there's a lot ofscreenshots and now I have
pictures of other people's Justfor fun.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
What were your last Other people's lesson plans Like
?
What were your last?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
like few screenshots of Well, I do screenshot memes
instead of saving them, for somereason.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, I don't know why.
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And but let's see what do I got?
Oh, I have a conversation withmy daughter via text that you
screenshotted, I screenshottedand then I sent it to my husband
.
I could have just wrote whatshe said, but that seemed
appropriate, so, and now I haveit.
Okay, what is this?
(07:40):
Oh, about food the CDC foodbeing bad.
So it's from an article.
Okay, and it was the food thatyou should not eat anymore,
because no one is checking itand I'm like this I'll need, but
will I ever find it when?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I need it.
I know there's a few foods theycould tell me to be like it's
bad.
Now I'd be like well, it'severything healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's the kind of funny thing that I thought about
.
It was like it's probably likelettuce, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, A cheese.
Ice cream, smoked fish, leafygreens, raw vegetables, sprouted
seeds, fresh herbs, berries,fresh cut fruit, prepackaged bag
salads.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I have one of the screenshots.
I screenshotted the warningabout how no one's ever going to
be able to get the COVIDvaccine ever again.
Oh, yeah, and I sent that toyou and Carrie, so I spread
misinformation.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh, is it misinformation?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh I have no idea.
It came from a reputable source.
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm telling you that someone else told me that yeah.
And she's a specialist ininfectious disease and runs a
lab and was like go get yourshot right now.
So it's like I think that'slegit.
Yeah, that's a good screenshotand for historical purposes,
Exactly when someone finds yourphone with 8 million
screenshots- when ICE finds myphone, they'll be like I don't
(08:57):
take her out Other screenshotTravis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's
engagement ring.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh, that's a good one .
That's a good screenshot.
I'm not even particularly ahuge fan but I was like I just
had to confirm that.
Oh, screenshot of a list ofgear that our local sheriff's
department.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh yeah, oh my God, what kind of craziness is that.
Do you see how much money?
They got the most money inMichigan, and I think it's
because you know they're buddies, they hosted it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's a website you can check and see how much your
county this is in all 50 stateshow much they received from the
new DOD.
Budget Like a budget I startedthat sentence sounding like I
was going to just really deliverinformation.
I go from the new money, Fromthe new Trump sucks.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But so they all these placesyou can look up and see what
your police department got, whatthey bought with the money.
So it's a little frightening,to be honest.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, Mind-resistant vehicle, night vision goggle
truck, van tactical recon kit,telescope, flashlight, thermal
sight.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So that's just.
And this is more frighteningbecause I know that the 2A group
is very local here.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know the Second Amendment group yeah Well, this
is a second amendment, sanctuary.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh yeah, yeah and this dude that got all this
stuff is a nut job, and just toknow that a agricultural
community got a mine resistantvehicle and some night scopes.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm just it's weird.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's weird, it's a sign of the times peeps.
That's a good screenshot.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, my other screenshot was from a group I'm
in.
It's a teacher group and it wasabout the new Michigan State
school superintendent.
And then it's all thesecomments from people who worked
with him saying that he's like acomplete nut job.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I heard it on the news and they just said like
he's got great schools and I'mlike, well, according to the
people that actually work forhim disagree yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I got the screenshots , but I've been screenshotting.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'll never use them because it's a private group and
I will never use them.
But I just needed it for my own, for your screenshot collection
for my screenshot.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I know just I want to know listen, listeners, tell us
the last five things youscreenshotted.
Yeah, don't you want to know?
Now I had, I know that we weretalking about acts.
Oh, because I did havesomething to bring up.
Oh, about acts, and then we canget, because we started talking
about how they were.
It's kind of drier, oh yes,with the women's bible thing,
(11:49):
and it's relatively short.
What's it like?
three, four pages yeah, it's notum so seeing acts I'm, you know
, I'm on the internet you're onthe I'm on the internet and I am
on the blue sky and someone'slike oh look, peter Thiel's
given a lecture on the Bible.
And they show a shot of PeterThiel and it looks like a
(12:13):
picture of him, probably fromwhen he was like 21.
And he's totally photoshopped,because I'm like I've seen that
dude, he doesn't look like that.
That's not the point, though.
It's not the picture, okay, butthat's weird.
But his so he's given a lectureon the Bible and his whole
Christianity group.
Do you know this that they'retrying to bring back, or they're
trying to fuse Christianitywith kind of like this tech god
(12:33):
situation?
What Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
me you have not heard of this.
No, is this real Guess?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Oh, it's real.
Guess what his group's name isActs 17.
Oh my God, joanna's dead.
We're going to try to continue.
I just fell over.
That's crazy.
Yeah, so an Acts stands foracknowledging Christ in
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technology and society, and Iguess last week he was talking
about that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Wait, so God lives in technology.
Is that what they're saying?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, what I I mean Because I'm pretty sure it's
Satan A ton, a ton of greatwriters and investigative
journalists have written on this, and I'll link to some articles
that I've Wait on the and I'lllink to some articles that I've
Wait on that group, On thiswhole these tech bros, how
they're trying to get peopleinto Christianity.
(13:31):
I don't even know if they'retrying to get people, but it's
because they see themselves asgodlike.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And so I'll link to some good.
I'm not going to do it justice.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But this is my own hot take is.
To me, it just further provesthat Christianity is a setup and
it is a way for usually men toput themselves in power because
they're like we're going to usethe.
I mean like I don't know ifwe've lived through a time where
somebody has co-opted it, I'msure back in what was it?
(14:04):
Constantine's days a similarthing happened.
They're like we're going to allof a sudden actually, yeah,
let's get into this, Jesus guy.
And that's like who I am and theLord and kings.
You know that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
I mean I don't have a verycomplete thesis on this, but my
own thing from us doing thisproject is I'm like it goes
right in line with what we keepon bringing back.
Yes, it's just continuing thehistorical precedence which is.
We're going to co-opt this andmake it so that I can use it for
myself.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
And is it co-opting, or is Christianity just male
power?
Gosh, that's a hard one, yeah,think about it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm a little sad Because, you know, I really like
Jesus.
I like all the things thatJesus does, Cindy.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So I feel like why can't we just have the book of
Jesus and call it a day, but thething is there's been tons of
guys that have been as nice asJesus.
That is true and actually lotsof women.
Yeah, yes, there's been tons ofguys that have been as nice as
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That is true, and actually lots of women.
Yeah, yes, there have, andthat's what?
And I bet the real Jesus wouldbe like why?
How did I get wrapped up inthis, like for real?
I mean, I just was like get themoney out of society, basically
, and then you totally evenscrew that up, get my name out
(15:32):
of your mouth.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And all the mouths in the future, right?
So yeah, acts is a book in theBible.
It's also the name of PeterThiel's nerd club, nerd church.
Nerd church I don't even wantto call them nerds, though.
I know it's like.
Nerd church sounds cool.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I know Bible it's also the name of Peter Thiel's
nerd club, nerd church, nerdchurch I don't even want to call
them nerds though I know it'slike nerd church sounds cool.
I know I would go to that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I would go to that.
Just evil overlord.
There you go, thank you.
So all right, we're just tryingto get into this Bible.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Like the ladies picked a whole bunch of sections
and they barely said anythingabout them except for, like,
what actually happened, yeah Inthe thing, although actually
sometimes it's quite helpfulbecause I'm like what actually
did that say?
And they just like say it andI'm like, oh, thank you.
Yeah, that was my question whenI finished reading the actual
words from the Bible, althougheven then.
(16:20):
In 1895, they were way more intune with the Bible.
Oh, so much, so so they saythings and I'm like, oh, I still
need to look that up.
So the first one.
So tell me what's the book?
Honestly, the one that myfavorite was the first one, just
because there's a story about aman and a wife, ananias and his
(16:42):
wife Sapphira I think that isher name.
I love that.
But they pretend to be good andgive all their money away, but
in actuality they just lied andthey said they gave it all and
they kept some money and then,wah, they're dead.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
But I like how they said it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They said yielded up the ghost and I was like, what
does that mean?
Like did they call up a?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
ghost, or I mean, does it mean give up?
The guy thought he was dead,but yeah, they just yield up
their soul, I guess.
Oh, but they're still alive.
No, they're dead, oh no, theydid, that's.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh, now you tell me, this is horrible.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
They yield up the ghost.
And then, um, well, first itwas just the husband, because
they were like hey, that's notgood.
And he, um, and then the womancame around and they were like
yo, woman, didn't you know.
And she was like well, kind of,and they were like you're dead.
But then the ladies are justlike well, obedience of one
(17:39):
responsible being to another mayoftentimes prove dangerous,
even if the command comes from ahusband, because, remember,
it's all obedience at that point, that's right.
And they're like.
She listened to him and oof off, her ghost went.
She had to yield her ghost.
She had to yield her ghost.
All because of that danghusband, Greedy husband.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But that was my favorite one.
That is good.
Yeah, I think I highlightedthat where I was like dude's
typical Typical.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The other one is Dorcas oh.
Dorcas, I just like her name.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Is that again?
Is that how you who cares?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's how we're pronouncing it.
That's how they said it in theAudible, so I'm going with.
It's got to be Dorcas.
This is.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Acts 9, right 36.
Okay, it's got to be Dorcas.
This is Acts 9, right 36-41.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Dorcas, what's her deal with Tabitha?
I didn't really get it becauseshe was a great woman.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
There's so many that I'm like what, I didn't get it.
I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, she was a great woman.
She died and then, all of asudden, peter came and rose her
up, even though she was sick andold, and he just said rise up.
And she rose up and she wasalive again.
So she was so great she becamealive again, and that's like
literally it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, and I do like this that Elizabeth writes.
This is the first instance ofany apostle performing a miracle
of this kind.
There was no witness to thismiracle.
What men teach in their highplaces, such women as dorkus,
illustrate in their lives.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
snap, yeah, yeah yeah , that's all you really need to
know that's good.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
She was like yeah, see this part.
Yeah, typical.
She's like I don't even knowwitness.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Oh nice miracle yeah, and, and she probably did it
herself because no one was thereto witness.
She was probably like rise upmyself, I'm back alive.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
She's like sure.
And the next one Acts 16.
Oh, yes, Okay.
What do you got for this?
It has a damsel in it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I like a good damsel.
So basically, all theseapostles were just like walking
around and doing good deeds.
Apparently the king had putsome of them in jail because
obviously King Herod wanted themall dead, because he only
wanted people worshiping him.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That dude sounds like somebody I know, right, I know,
does he?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
have like yellow hair .
Speaker 1 (20:02):
He's got a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, a lot of similarities in the orange
buffoon.
Yeah, because he keeps showingup and I'm like it's our guy.
It's our guy Sounds like anidiot.
Like what idiot would be?
Like I'm going to kill all thebabies.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I know like relax.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think one's going to grow up to be a king.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, relax, just do your king thing.
Yeah, relax, just do your kingthing.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, enjoy your, enjoy your fiefdom yeah, and
have your gold and drink out ofyour goblet.
But, leave the rest of us alone.
But then they talk about angels.
So he had.
He was supposed to be in jailbut he showed up and there was a
woman that saw Peter and shewas like guys, I just saw Peter
(20:46):
and they're like you're crazy.
She's like no, like legit, justsaw Peter and and then Peter
kept knocking because she's likeno, he's out here, and they're
like no, and so Peter's like ohmy God, peter.
And she's like dude.
I told you that but theywouldn't believe her.
(21:07):
They thought she was crazy.
Then they were like the Lordtook me out of prison and
totally disregard the fact thatthe lady had already told like
guys, peter's here.
An angel took him out and theywere like no, no, no.
And then it took Peter to comein and be like pa-da, pa-da, I'm
Peter, and no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And then it took peter to come in and be like I'm
peter here and she's stillstanding there, like I just said
that so, to recap, nobodybelieves women, but men can
write stories about like burningbushes, talking asses, bringing
people back from the dead.
Nobody sees any of this, butthey're like trust me
(21:48):
everybody's like sounds right onand then these women, just like
what's her face a couplechapters ago, who was like an
angel said to name my son John,and they're like okay let's get
your husband in here.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You gotta name the dad, and the dad's like name him
John.
And they're like okay, let'sget your husband in here.
You gotta name the day.
And the dad's like name himJeff.
And they're like oh, okay, yeah, craytown, it's a mad name so
the ladies said, um, so they hadall.
All these people were likefollowers of Peter's.
So they were like, althoughthey all were often praying for
(22:27):
Peter's deliverance, they couldnot believe Rhoda when she said
that Peter stood knocking at thegate and when, really like
hello, you prayed for this.
And she's saying, why wouldn'tyou be like, oh, prayers have
been answered.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, they're like nah it's Rhoda, you know she is.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Rhoda, you know she is no way.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, that's ridiculous, and Ijust wrote why were they praying
if you didn't believe that itwas gonna work?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
yeah, isn't that a sin?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
is it?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
a sin not to believe?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean if you're praying like, if you're
pretending being raised Catholiclike I absorbed that.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That was like if you don't believe, it's wrong um,
well, well, yeah, you go to hell.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, you don't remember that.
Well, that was okay.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I remember correctly, that was my because that was my
first questioning.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Like when I started, like questioning, I'm like, okay
, like I love, I love the thingsjesus is doing.
But like if, if we arefollowing what he says and I
says, then why would we saythese people that are doing good
things but they're Buddhistscan't go to heaven?
Like they're not doing anythingbad, but just because you don't
(23:35):
believe in my guy, you can't go.
And I had a real problem withthat because I'm like that
doesn't seem fair.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And it doesn't make any sense, right?
What did they say?
Were they like you may't seemfair and it doesn't make any
sense, right?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
What did they say Were?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
they like you may never repeat what you just said.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
They're like shh no, they're basically like you're
such a teenager, you know thoseare like don't.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
They're like.
Life will beat you down soonenough.
You won't have any thoughts oropinions of your own.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right Little did they know.
Well, we should move on to acertain woman named Lydia.
Do it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, yes, certain woman.
This is Acts 16.
Yeah Right, Isn't that what wedid?
I love a certain woman.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So the certain woman named Lydia, and then later a
certain damsel possessed with aspirit of divination, so she was
divine.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Anyways.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I just thought it was funny, but she was a soothsayer
.
I love soothsayers and she wasgood and she was well, I don't
know if she was good or she wascorrupt, she might have just
been a little, you know, craftmagician.
She had masters, though, so shewas kind of like a slave
soothsayer and she was makingthem lots of money right Yep yep
, now Lydia just sold purpleclothes which apparently was a
(24:52):
popular color.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I like to hear what Elizabeth says.
She was a merchant whotrafficked in purple clothes.
Purple clothes.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And I love some purple clothes.
I love a purple cloth, somecloth.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I love a purple cloth , some cloth.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But yeah, they sent Peter and they brought the
spirit of evil out of thesoothsayer.
And man, the masters were mad.
Yeah, they were like thatsoothsayer, that certain damsel
was my moneymaker, that's right.
And they rose up and went afterhim.
(25:30):
And so basically, peter did,paul did, a good thing by
bringing this evil spirit out ofthis lady.
And of course, the magistrateswere nuts about it because they
weren't making any money oh,because they think that susane
is evil is evil.
Right right, because it's notthe magic of the burning bush.
Right Right, it was like itsown magic, right, its own magic.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And they're like you, just cost us a lot of money.
This is ridiculous.
It's like De Niro in Casino.
It is, it is.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
You know where I'm going withthis?
Go when he could pick all thewinners for the sports books,
and the big mob bosses were likeyou, don't let anybody mess
(26:09):
with him.
Just like that.
It is exactly like that.
In fact, I'll have to ask Martyif he based Casino on Acts 16.
What else we got?
Acts 18.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So this takes place in Greece.
Oh, yes, but then he moves toSyria.
They just bebopped all aroundback in the yeah Well, how were
they bebopping on?
I don't Camels, camels by foot,donkeys.
Of course Asses.
Yeah, gotta, take an, ass.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
An ass can get you pretty far, can really get you
far, a good ass opens doors.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Okay, so this one is a lovely lady, she and her
husband, priscilla, and Aquila.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Aquila.
They were tent makers, yeah,and Paul ended up staying with
them, which was nice because noteverybody was welcoming to the
apostles.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh, and they were like come on in.
They were probably like youguys are dirty hippies, Right
Sat cloth.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Pretty much.
You're like get out of hereyeah get out of here but these
people.
They were like come on in andthey let him live with them for
a couple months.
And they're like learn to maketents.
And he was like okay, soobviously the apostles
hardworking working as well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's right.
It was an excellent custom ofthose days for educated people
to be also instructed in somemechanical trade.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, so I think the story was like this is what.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
This is, one where I really was like why is this in
the women's Bible?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I guess maybe because even the woman was revered like
she wasn't thought of as lessthan oh, thank you.
Yeah, they, they were like theywere a team, the husband and
wife that's right.
Not only that the guy wasn'ttelling her what to do.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Um, they were like a team that's right, because in
this next super short passagefrom acts 21, with this oh, oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I don't know how to say that, but that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Caesarea, caesarea, caesarea.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Caesarea.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't really get what the story is.
Somebody has four daughters.
They were endowed with a giftof prophecy and perhaps they
gave limitations to Paul.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
He had it's like very short.
He was a deacon Philip and hehad lovely daughters apparently.
I don't know why they have tosay they were virgins.
First of all, how did they know?
Were they going around checking?
I know All these virgins.
Did they have like a virgin?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
checker.
They probably did.
I think we don't want to ask.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Oh, you're probably right.
Oh my God, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, okay, you're right.
So, because this goes into, Ithink she just put it as an
example to show what she sayslater.
Women are quite highly honoredin the book of Acts.
If we accept the tragedy of theunfortunate wife who obeyed her
husband, yeah, which was thefirst story we heard right, yeah
, where she was like.
I just followed what he saidand they're like you got to give
(29:02):
up the ghost Now you're dead,so all of what he said and
they're like.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You got to give up the ghost.
Now you're dead, so she's like,but I obeyed, like.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
This is what you told me to obey, I should have read
the first part of this, withphilip's four daughters all
endowed with the spirit ofprophecy, and priscilla as a
teacher of great principles tothe orators of her time and one
of paul's chosen travelingcompanions.
Women are quite highly honoredin the book of acts, so that was
why she put that in there.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I mean they were.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And so when Paul was traveling around, right yeah, he
was like, yeah, I hung out withwomen, but, as we've learned,
they always did.
Always, and there were womeninvolved in all of that.
They just didn't get paintedinto the big picture.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And they were even judges and priests and all that
Goodness.
And they were even judges andpriests and all that Goodness.
They were there.
Yeah, they're in the historybooks.
And then we just kind of gotaway with it oh.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Drusilla.
Yeah, this very last one.
This is Acts, acts 24, verse 24, 25.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, we got Felix and Drusilla and they were married.
Now, drusilla was a daughter ofHerod, but she was married to a
king, but she left him to livewith this guy, Felix.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I didn't know.
Felix was like a biblical name.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Actually a lot of these.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I'm like really I know I'm like Sephora Actually
that does sound kind of ancient.
Sorry, that wasn't a goodexample Felix, yeah, deb yeah,
deborah yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And then so.
But Felix really was not aChristian, but he was interested
in the whole thing.
So he asked the apostle to comeand teach him about it.
But he wasn't really interested, he was just curious, and so
was the wife.
By the way, the wife hadbeheaded someone before.
So I mean.
Side note, not high character,the wife.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
by the way, the wife had beheaded someone before so I
mean side note not high I'mthinking well, who is the guy
that's not judger?
Oh, it's james, but I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I don't know what james did, but um I don't think
it's a good thing to beheadsomeone.
I'm just gonna throw that outthere, no matter what oh yeah,
it's messy it's the cleanup, thecleanup.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
yeah, no, no, yeah but this closing by ebd just has
me like oh my gosh, and that'sellen batil dietrich, right?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
yeah, she's a baddie.
She is such a baddie and she'sthe one that passed away before
they were.
She did not see the publishingof the second part of Women's
Bible.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And she also wrote her own book.
It was written in 1897, and itwas literally just called Women
in Early Christian Ministry.
I know, yeah, and the subtitleis a reply to this dude that she
calls out in here.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh, do tell yeah, bring it together.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Bring it together girl, yeah, so the subtitle of
her book was A Reply to BishopDoan Ooh.
So I just want you to know thatDoan was a bishop in New York
and he was the very first bishopto build a cathedral in the
United States and it was veryexpensive, by the way, and he
(32:03):
really didn't like women.
Oh, shocker, shocker, shocker,shocker.
He was active in speaking outagainst the women's suffrage.
And here's a nod to the currenttimes.
And here's a nod to the currenttimes.
Believe that women's naturalplace was in the home, taking
(32:24):
care of the children.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh, there it is, it's natural, it's the natural Side
question.
I was thinking about this asbecause last week I learned that
Jesus only talked to his momthree times in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Did you already know that?
No, I did not.
I mean, I never thought aboutit.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
But yeah, she's not mentioned a lot and I was like
it's so funny this whole likefamily values thing.
I'm curious.
I wonder if any listeners knowwhen did this family values
thing get attached?
Because we've worked our waythrough this Bible and there
actually isn't anything aboutthat stuff.
(32:59):
There is some stuff that's likehonor the father and mother,
but from the stuff we've read incontext it's more like yeah, so
if they want to sacrifice youto death, you have to honor that
.
It has nothing to do with thenuclear family that.
America has attached toChristianity Nothing to do with
it?
I don't see it, and if anybodycan show me where?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Please bring it to us .
Because, all I've seen is mentaking multitudes of women and
just having scores of children.
There's no traditional in that,and I've seen some really nasty
mothers that don't even careabout their kids.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yes, Also In the Bible.
Also all of the apostles lefttheir families.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Oh true.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
They all left their families Absolutely.
And they don't write abouttheir families.
So, like where connect that forus?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, please.
Please If you could connect thedots.
And it has to be like legit, belike legit.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It has to be legit.
Don't give me any read theBible.
Yeah, show me.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You need to give me the page that I can find in my
Bible too, right, okay?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay, and then we're going to call up Elizabeth Cady
Stanton and she's going to comedown from the heavens.
We're going to resurrect herBecause we are connected.
Yes, we are.
I feel like we are we areMolecularly we are.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I know Connected to her.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I feel that with EBD too.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh my gosh, EBD for certain, yeah.
So the end of this is basicallylike hey guys, you got to pull
your heads out your asses andrealize we are being oppressed
by some crazy men, and I like,and one of them is this Cardinal
Dolan Damn, or what's his name,bishop?
(34:45):
I think it's Bishop Dolan Dolan,so the Reverend Edwin Hatch.
He actually sounds like a goodguy.
That was actually a historicalguy.
They say hey, I have to admit,guys, and this is 1895, we don't
really have a lot of details onthese apostles, right?
(35:10):
Right, he said Paul's life inRome and all the rest of the
history this is Dr Edwin Hatchare all enveloped in mists from
which no single gleam of certainlight emerges.
The place and occasion of hisdeath are not less uncertain
than the facts of his later life.
The chronology of the rest ofPaul's life is as uncertain as
(35:32):
the date of his death.
We have no means of knowingwhen he was born, or how long he
lived, or at what date theseveral events of his life took
place.
That was his quote.
Now we're on to EBD.
Exactly the same may be said ofPeter.
The strongest probability isthat Paul and Peter were two
(35:53):
obscure men who lived in thelatter part of the first or
beginning of the second century,neither of whom could have seen
first century Jesus so like.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Damn.
Yeah, like they're like checkit out.
I wonder if there's been anyupdates legit historian updates.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I hope I should check that I can.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But I mean, if they're like they don't have it
there, maybe something wasn'tcovered.
I like this line where she waslike as for the passages now
found in the New Testamentepistles of Paul concerning
women's non equality Wait,concerning women's non equality
with men and duty of subjection,there is no room to doubt that
they are bare faced forgeries.
Room to doubt that they arebare-faced forgeries
(36:44):
interpolated by unscrupulousbishops during the early period
in which a combined anddetermined effort was made to
reduce women to silentsubmission, not only in the
church but also in the home andin the state.
I mean, you're right.
I mean her entire passage inthis thing she goes on to to
even.
I mean, she's just like rippingthem up.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Ripping them.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Ripping on them and she's like you don't even,
doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I probably should read her book because it's just
like come on, people, and thefact that they've left out all
the women's stuff talks aboutthat bishop.
She's like whether Bishop Doanis ignorant of this fact, about
not having enough history, orwhether he is merely presuming
upon women's ignorance thereof.
(37:27):
It is impossible to say, butone thing is clear, and that is
that the time has arrived whenall women should be informed of
the true status of their sex inthe ministry of primitive church
.
We were there, it's written.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
You just read it in the Acts.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They were doing the works, they were hanging out,
they were doing the things, theywere walking with the apostles,
teaching the apostles, stuff.
You know it, mr Bishop, youknow it Isn't that wild and
that's the thing that's mostconcerning this.
Yeah, you know, it Isn't thatwild and that's the thing that's
most concerning this place oflove, the church.
It's supposed to be a place oflove and acceptance and
everything is really run byyucky male tyrants.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
But this is why I mean, you hear it from so many
different groups and I can'thelp it because I'm like I know
white guys they're cool, but I'mlike sorry dudes, but white men
have a real.
The only talent that they'resuperior at is erasing people
(38:35):
exactly.
I mean they've done it toNative Americans, African
Americans.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Mexicans, and they are, like, literally actively
doing it right now and we'rewatching it happen.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And it is.
It's that's what they do.
They're just like.
We're just going to erase thispart of the Smithsonian doing it
right now as we sit here.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
yeah, erasing history , and you can't believe that
someone corrupted this book,that you, right, are living your
life right right, right.
How can you?
Where is the disconnect?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
it's fucking wild, I'm like okay, it does.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It raises my like.
I'm like you're what?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's so they are going to.
I bet that's oh man.
Yeah, I mean, she waseverything she says in this
whole.
I think I could have justunderlined this entire thing.
Did you get this part you?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
didn't read this part here, where she's like the
first.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
The first important truth for them to learn
concerning the question is thatthere's a missing link of some
500 years between the close ofthat body of literature known as
the Old Testament and thecompilation of that collection
of letters, narratives, etc.
Now presented to us as thequote-unquote New Testament.
Girls of Christian families arecommonly inoculated in their
(39:57):
ignorant and thereforehelplessly credulous youth with
unquestioning belief that theNew Testament was written in the
first century of our era bydisciples who are contemporary
with Jesus, and that Peter andPaul were first century
Christians, the former of whomhad personally known and
followed Jesus, while the latterwas a convert from Judaism
(40:20):
after Jesus's death, neverhaving seen the teacher himself
and I'm telling you as somebodythat grew up in this crap, I
didn't know that, no, I didn'teither.
Look, I'm like.
I even paused because I waslike my mind's blown too and
because you could still take thebook.
It has good, cool stories.
It's got great moral lessons.
(40:40):
Listen that story of Esther andVashti, great, great story.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Keep that.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Which, by the way, well we do.
Anyways, I wanted to talk aboutProject Esther and why it may
be named after that, but wecould do that a different time.
Yeah, anyway Dang it Back tothis.
So that's why an EBD.
She is an expert in this, shewas a scholar and she wrote
(41:09):
books on this.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, specifically about women being able to
minister.
So it was probably somethingshe wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
And she must have been an expert, very
knowledgeable, because she waspicked on for it, so otherwise
they'd just be like she's just acrazy lady, right, you know?
Yeah, what's the last, do youhave any other?
I mean, I underline a ton ofstuff, but you know.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
That's the gist of it .
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, I had.
Oh, and they do talk about Acts, chapter 17.
That's kind of creepy.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh, they do.
What do they say?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It says and in Acts, chapter 17,.
We are explicitly told that theGreek converts made by Paul in
Greece were chief women.
Honorable women, this issufficient refutation.
Is that the word?
I think so, refutation.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Of the argument of the clergyman who strives to
clear the character of Paul atthe expense of the character of
the women of Corinth.
The Corinthians.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Letters from Corinthians.
The Greeks.
There's a Corinth Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
They used to have a slug burger festival.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Like with slugs?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Nope, it was because they were burgers that used to
be charged a nickel.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Just a nickel down there in Mississippi, down there
in Corinth, all you need is alittle slug.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
That's right, just get yourself a slug burger.
I love it, yeah, so anyways.
So that's X, that's X, that's X.
I mean, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Episode 21.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Women are good.
We're in the ministry, guys, Iknow, but we're not, but we're
not, but we are not and we'rejust sliding back.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
We're sliding back, I mean not without a fight, I
mean we.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
They're pushing us.
Everybody remember this.
We're not sliding.
We are actually not slidingback.
Public discourse has slid back.
Okay, that doesn't mean thatwomen have.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
No, we are sovereign, yeah, we are ungovernable.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We are Xena warrior, princess.
No, I don't know what I wasgoing to say.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
We shall overcome that's right and find our
rightful place at the head ofthe table.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's right.
Find our at the round table.
Oh, we don't need to be at thehead.
I love a round table.
That's right.
Find our at the round table.
Oh, we don't need to be at thehead.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I love a round table.
Okay, there is nothing betterthan gathering in a circle, I
know.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I know Kumbaya girl or next episode.
I always say next week we'regoing to make it.
So next episode we will beEpistling, epistling.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
We're going to be epistling.
That's a very poppy thing,sorry, we're going to epistle,
so epistles Romans andCorinthians.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
That's what we're going through next week hey.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Romans and Greeks.
Romans and Corinthians.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Romans and Greeks, let's do it up.
So we're doing that.
I hope that we sparked eitherthrough the screenshot call out.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That was a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
The screenshot call out that was a good one.
Wasn't that a good?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
one I really want to see.
I'm so curious.
Please send us your screenshot.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yes, those are gold.
Those are gold, or you can justtell us what they were.
Yeah, I mean because maybe it'slike yeah, maybe you don't want
to send us that.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Maybe it's private.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Get your exif data off first.
You know what I'm saying.
We're going to be doing that.
Please reach out to us.
Please share this witheverybody.
You know, we truly don't knowhow much longer we'll be able to
do this, yeah yeah.
Because I don't know we may bein work camps soon.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
It's true, who knows?
I know we definitely.
I don't think we can be in thebirthing thing but maybe we'll
have to be the midwives.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
That would be a miracle.
They do not want me to be amidwife Actually, I'd be great,
right, yeah, all right, we'lltalk about that.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Breathe through it.
Breathe through it.
Give me a baby.
I'll be like get her a coldCoca-Cola.
She looks sweaty.
Get her a Coke.
Get her a Coke.
Get her a Coke A little bit ofnicotine.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
They'll get that baby out.
You just got to get relaxed.
I'll be like.
I feel like she could use anicotine patch.
We'll get that baby out.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I'd hire you.
You're hired, thank you.
Thank you as long as you speakin southern draws.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yes, it makes everything better, it really
does I slip into it sometimesbecause I miss being in
Tennessee a bit.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I would like that, yeah, tennessee.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I feel like you could say the most hateful thing and
it would just still feel good inthe soul.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
What in southern accent?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, yeah just like you're insulting me, but I like
it.
Okay, so we said all that Likeyou're insulting me, but I like
it.
Okay.
So we said all that.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Thank you so much for listening.
Like us, share us.
Like us, share us.
And this week, remember you aresovereign.
Yes, Thank you.
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