#111 Michigan Mysteries

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any one, and I looked out and there was this
big red blue through the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Something's going on.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
They're not dogs, they're not coyotes. What could it be?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right? I had an encounter with a skunk cake and
it completely altered the course of my life. I got
a call, got on building what about sightings of a
uf FO covering over a farm.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Bley woke up from a dream and when I went
into the bedroom, she said, there's a monk there on
the wall.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a bombed
wire fence. They were able to obtain cares. They sent the.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hairs to their lab and it came back as an
online creature Creatures.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Shit boring O.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
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So tonight's episode is something that Shane put together and
he's been a little mysterious about this one. So I'm
gonna kind of figure out some of the subject matter
in real time with you guys out there. So without
further ado, Shane, I'm gonna kick it over to you

(04:57):
so you can start with the subject that you presented
for us tonight.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
So this is going to be part of hopefully an
ongoing series. I know, with a lot of the stuff
that we've done for Cryptid grab Bag, it's been a
lot of North Carolina stuff. So of course, you know,
half of the hosts of the show are from North Carolina,
so you cover a lot of that stuff. But on
the opposite of posing side, I feel like I haven't
done just for the Michigan stuff. So I'm gonna try
to make sure that I do a new series of

(05:22):
honestly just really really strange stuff in reports and sightings
and everything around Michigan. I'm gonna be calling this Michigan Mysteries.
That is gonna be the name of this ongoing series alliteration.
That's good, you like that. And for this particular one,
I got most of my information for where I'm gonna
be diving into today from Linda Godfrey's book Strange Michigan.

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And there are a lot of other books I have
on my shelf to dive into, and this is barely
even covering some of the interesting stuff in here. But
I put together something really really awesome for you guys,
and all the stuff that we're gonna be covering today,
you know, for Michigan stuff, you know, you'd expect the
dog Man, you'd expect all that kind of stuff, But
you know that's too generic. I'm gonna try to go
with the most obscure stuff I could possibly find in
this book, at least for the first series. Maybe when

(06:04):
we come back to it later on, you know, we
will cover some of the more generic Michigan stuff, But
for this one, I try to look for the absolute
most obscure, And as you guys have noticed from the
last few times that I put to show together, I
put him together a little bit different than Orrin. He's
a little bit more structured and formatted, where you know,
I kind of just investigate into something and try to
take you guys along the journey. So that's kind of

(06:26):
what's going to be happening today because I got a
bunch of articles and clips that are connecting with some
of the stuff that I had found in this book today.
And a lot of the stuff coming from this book
are straight reports. So you know, a lot of you
guys see that I like to do stuff straight from
the horse's mouth, you know, I like to make sure
that if you're getting the report sighting, it's exactly as
the person described their sighting. So, like I said, I
had to make sure I give credit to the direct

(06:47):
book that I got it from. Can't say it enough
because she was one of the pillars in the community,
Linda Gottfrey again Strange Michigan. Full props to that book
for all this information. But the first one we're going
to be diving into today is the Kpak Porch entity
and Fugitive's Fugitive from a UFO follicle challenged Bigfoot looking

(07:07):
to a DUP's abduction, rogaine and rogaine entity. The unusual
word for something of undetermined weirdness really is the best
descriptive word in the odd case involving an anomalous man
from the Michigan ufofiles dot com website. Blah blah blah
blah blah. And actually we will get into that as
soon as I am done with this story, because I
had to use the wonderful wayback machine to find that article.

(07:28):
But I did find the original clip that this one
came from, so we will be diving into that one
in a minute. But supposedly the reporting goes the man
who lived in the little town of Kpak, about twenty
miles north of Detroit, was having a hard time sleeping
the night of March twenty eighth, two thousand and three.
He finally got up to take a pain reliever about
midnight and settled into the living room sofa to watch
a little TV. He had barely seated himself, however, he

(07:51):
had he had heard something or someone running across his porch.
He jumped up immediately and looked out the front door,
just in time to see the intruder dissp here around
the house, still on the wrap around porch that extended
around the corner. He said it was of average height
but had abnormally long arms. Its arms and legs were
somewhat spiny, and had a larger than normal bald head.

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It did not get a good look at its face,
he said, I did not get a good look at
his face, but I could tell that it was not human.
Within seconds after the creature left the man's field of vision,
the electricity suddenly winked out in the man's house, and
he could see two large blue spotlights in a nearby
field about eight hundred yards away. The lights moved as
if they were searching for something, he said. When they

(08:34):
finally moved into the distance, his house lights came back on.
A neighbor confirmed the next day that her lights also
went out at the same time and that she saw
the blue lights in the field as well, and according
to the story, she admonished the inquiring witnesses. People around
here don't talk about these things. And for anybody that's
watching this on video and orn will be able to

(08:54):
see it, here is a picture of what this guy
claims this thing looked.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like, Okay, that's pretty freaky looking.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Right, So it kind of looks like it has like
the Sasquatch walk, but it definitely seems like something else,
because I mean, you bring in the like the whole
blue light aspect, and I guess I'll kind of let
you get your ideas on this one before I get
too far into it. But just to bring up the
original report while I'm still on this mindset, like I mentioned,
this website doesn't exist anymore. It was Michigan UFOs dot com.

(09:26):
But thanks to good old wayback machine, I was able
to go back to this website that got deleted I
think in two thousand and six and bring up this
two thousand and three report. And this is honestly about
all that there really is of it. And I've tried
to search this on the internet, couldn't find it anywhere,
tried it on Brave, tried it on a bunch of
different search engines, and literally this website won't even pop

(09:46):
up because this website doesn't exist anymore. So, like there's
no information on this other than basically what she has
in this book and this little paragraph that can only
be found using like I said, good old wayback machine,
and if you want to read this report, Like I said,
it's kind of re explaining the same information, but the
original report says the witness reports. I woke up to

(10:08):
take a pain reliever at midnight, turned on the TV,
and sat on the living room couch facing the window
when a creature ran across my porch on March twenty eight,
two thousand and three. I quickly jumped up and looked
out the door to see it run around the corner
of my house on the porch. It was about average height,
had an abnormally long arms. The arms and legs were
somewhat spiny, and it had and it had a larger

(10:30):
than normal bald head. I did not get a good
look at his face, but I could tell it was
not human. Within a few seconds of this, the lights
went out and I could see the two blue lights
in the sky moving as if they were searching for something.
The spotlights were in the field across from about eight
hundred feet. As they moved away, the power came back.
The morning. I called my friend and she said her
electricity and lights had gone out, and she also saw

(10:53):
the blue lights in the sky. She told me that
people around her don't talk about these things. Thanks to
Peter Brevin nuforc And there's a little web none at
the bottom that says webmaster note witness has been contacted
and interviewed May thirtieth, two thousand and three by Mofin
Investigator and updates will be posted as they are received,

(11:15):
both here and on the move on website. And when
I tried to click that and put that in a
way back machine, that didn't lead anywhere. I tried to
do more searching on this site and it didn't lead anywhere.
So unfortunately I was not able to find that interview.
So that was kind of the dead end on this one.
But I'll let you put your thoughts in before I
just keep going off on this one.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, it's kind of an interesting one. I've never heard
this story, obviously, but I think it's kind of interesting that,
you know, they talk about like the power going out,
which you know is a hallmark in these kind of
high strangeness cases. We talk about that all the time.
I also thought an interesting kind of tidbit was that
the witness described them specifically as spotlights and not as orbs,

(11:56):
So that would kind of lead me to believe that
some sort of like UFO types situation going on more
so than you know, orb fay, elemental anything like that.
And then you know, just the creature itself, the fact
that it's of average height, and you know, just from
the picture you showed, it didn't seem like it was

(12:18):
as muscular as you know bigfoot are normally portrayed. It
was more kind of slender, and you know, the description
of like what was it like spikes or quills. I
don't remember the exact word that was used to describe it,
but that almost gave me like kind of reptilian lizard
people lizard man type vibes. So yeah, that's a real

(12:40):
interesting one. I think it kind of hits on a
lot of things, but like not super specifically right on
anything that we talk about on the show. So yeah,
this might be just one of those weird one offs
where this type of creature was never seen again and
not seen before that.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
See what throws me off at this one is that
it definitely has the u FO feel to it because
the lights, you know, that's kind of usually how most
people take that. But on the other side, I've never
personally heard any other reports about a hairy extraterrestrial by
any means. Usually anything that's harry usually leads into some
type of like cryptid encounter. And then on the flip
side of this one, I mean, at least from the

(13:18):
rendition I saw, it almost kind of looks like a
like a starving sasquatch or like a mill nourised sasquatch.
I mean, if you are kind of using that as
a possible like answer to this thing, and I mean,
if that is the case, it would definitely make sense
why it was up on the porch because if it
was starving or was looking for food or something, then
you know, maybe it was looking up closer to the
house thinking it might be able to find something. Or
on the other side, man, if it has manged, maybe

(13:40):
that thing is going crazy and they was just getting
too close.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Like That's what I was just gonna say, like only
slightly joking, but if it was like a mangy, juvenile.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Sasquatch, see that that was my next best theory on
that one, because even with the lights, I mean, that
kind of goes two ways with sasquatch stuff too. And
the only reason I'm saying that is particularly because they
mentioned blue spotlights like Yeah, a lot of the weird
wou UFO or sasquatch stuff that I've dived into. Specifically,
Like Carter, who was a guest on the show a
long time ago, He's noticed this. Uh, most people that

(14:10):
absorb that observe lights around sasquatch experiences or orbs, they
a lot of the time, most of the time they
reference them being blue. And for whatever reason, there seems
to be a connection with like sasquatch sightings and like
blue orbs. So like that was the only reason that
I don't know, I kind of get that extrarest real feel.
But on the other side, like is it some type
of typical sasquatch thing and this was just some type

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of blue orb that came after And I mean the
connection on that is a whole other, you know, rabbit
hole to get off into.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
But and you know, this is one of those things
where it could be an issue of language. Maybe just
a blue spotlight was the best language that this person
had for these orbs that they saw, you know. So
I mean, I think that's an interesting way of looking
at it too, because basically the piece of information that
kind of kicks it into the UFO arena is the spotlight.

(15:00):
But if they're actually orbs, this is way more of
like a some weird cryptid that we've never heard of
type situation.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
See, And I think it's a matter of two of
like where to place this because obviously this was investigated
by Moufon and that's solely off of the fact that
there was blue lights that were seeing the electricity going out,
because that was the other thing we forgot to mention,
is that the sky's electricity went out and they came
back on.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's true, Yeah, I forgot about that one.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
But if it wasn't for that, then, like I don't know,
it's two thousand and three, there.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
May not have been as many that kind of happens
in like poltergeist cases and stuff too. So I mean
even Badsquatch if you remember that one Badsquatch messes with
electricity too, and that's some type of cryptid type creature.
But I mean, maybe it's just two thousand and three.
There's probably not too many places to report something like
this too. Like I'm sure there were some sasquatch databases
and stuff, but like this is one of those weird

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ones that I feel like the only place that they
could have put it, at least in two thousand and
three was on like some type of UFO or moof
on page. Otherwise it would have just literally been one
of those experiences that just it almost was completely forgotten.
In all fairness, like if it wasn't for pretty in
this book and it being brought back up, it would
have been forgotten. But like just something that just is
going to fall into obscurity. And if there wasn't the

(16:07):
UFO aspect to it, somebody would have had this experience
and it just never would have been heard from again. Yeah, yeah,
So I mean I think, kind of rounding it out
where I fall on this one, I tend to kind
of agree with you. I think that it's probably more
so a little bit of like a cryptid type situation
than an extraterrestrial UFO type deal. But yeah, really cool story,

(16:31):
different than a lot of stuff we talk about. So
you know, it's kind of cool to talk about these
things that at least I've never heard of. Oh you
can only talk about Bigfoot and you know, Mothman and
shit like that, so many times you got to got
to kind of mix in some weird stuff every now
and then.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Oh wait, man, it gets a lot weirder. Just wait
for this next one. Hold on tight, guys, We'll be
right back after this brief commercial break.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
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And now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
The next one where you're going to be diving into
is the Claire deer Man. Okay, so even though so
this one is one that somebody had turned into Linda
at some point. It's coming from somebody named Joseph Stewart,
who she marks as contributor. So again, this is one
of those ones that's direct report from somebody. So I

(17:43):
just want to read it exactly how it is from
the horse's mouth, So it's in first person. So I
just figured od fore Warney before you're hearing me say
I and clearly I'm not in the story, but diving
into it. The clear deer Man of Claire County, even
though I have personally never set eyes on the deer
Man of Claire County. The idea of such a creature
still sticks in my mind after thirty seven years. During

(18:04):
that time, I was a field investigator for Aerial Phenomenon
Research Organization, a leading UFO organization. In the nineteen sixties,
I had read in the Lansing State Journal of numerous
sightings of UFOs in Claire, Michigan. It just so happened
that some friends of mine owned a cabin a little
west of Claire, and they invited me up for a
Memorial Day weekend. They felt a little adventure was in order,

(18:24):
and I was sure I could serve that up for them.
The year was nineteen seventy one, and UFO sightings were
still being reported in the newspaper near if not on
the front page. The public attitude towards UFOs at the
time was that everyone who saw UFO had to be
drunk or smoking the local wheat. Worse yet, anyone who
investigated UFOs was crazy. Many ufologists were in the closet

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in these days. This UFO event in Claire had been
going on for several weeks. I could only hope that
it was still going on. I had read in the
newspaper there was a lot of UFO activity in the area.
That was that was a local lover's lane on Henry Road,
just out of US Highway ten.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
First, so we already got a lover's line.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
They already got a lover's line situation. Okay, my friend
and I were now well on our way to Claire.
We were traveling up north one twenty seven in my
nineteen sixty three Volkswagen Bug. The plan was to meet
my friend's brother at the cabin. As luck should have it,
just as we entered the Claire area, a Michigan State
trooper pulled me over for some vehicle equipment issue. While
we had trooper's attention, I mentioned the reason we were

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up there and wanted to know what we knew what
they knew about the sightings. At first I thought he
was going to laugh at us and then impound the car. Instead,
he grew very serious, told us what he knew and
confirmed the locations of the sightings. The reports involved strange
lights that ran up and down the countryside named henrik
As harassing the local lovers who had occasionally gave chance

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to the lights or changed to the lights. In the
middle of our discussion, the trooper paused and asked if
I had heard of what the locals called the deer man.
That took me by surprise. I was speechless but managed
to get out a note. I do not remember all
the details of the sighting, but I believe hunters and
local residents made the reports in the nineteen fifties. The
deer man was reported to be between four and five

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feet in stature and was bipedal. The lower half of
the body was like that of a deer's hindquarters. The
upper half was very human like. He had arms, hands, fingers,
and normal looking head. The eyes, even though were a
bit odd, they were brown and deer like, yet seemed
to have a human stature. The body hair was short
and nappy. However, the lower half of the body hair

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was more like a deer hide, brownish in color, similar
to what a deer's color would be in October in Michigan.
It was also reported that the deer man moved about
in a leaping motion, like a deer on the run.
It was very agile and maneuvered well into the woods.
It was also reported that the deer man would emit
sounds similar to a deer's. At first, I thought it
might be one of those strange kangaroo sightings we had

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in the East Lansing area. This happened on the southbound
part of Michigan State University landhold in the nineteen sixties.
After listening to the deer man's description, I thought differently.
The officer thought I might be interested in researching the
deer man sightings. He was right on target, but I
was hunting UFOs at the time, so I had to
file the deer man away for a future cryptid investigation.

(21:16):
It seems to me that the deer man is very
similar to the satyr known as Pan from Greek mythology.
He was a half man and half human. Maybe there's
something to the Pan myth. It appears his American cousin,
the deer Man of Claire, Michigan, is alive and well
and perhaps still out there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Dun dun, dun, dun dun dun.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So yeah, diving into one of the more obscure ones.
Like I said, I tried to do a little bit
of research on that one to see if I could
find any of these like direct reports, and honestly, like
I didn't find anything on it. What I'm gonna try
to do though at some point, because maybe I can
do a little bit more with this one, because I'm
kind of interested in it because it's not too far
away from me. I'm gonna try to do something where

(21:55):
I dive into some local newspapers and see if I
can find some of the old newspapers and see if
I could find some of these old reports and sightings
of it. And you know, like I said, clariny even
too far from me, So maybe I could even make
an excest to go out there and possibly ask some
people around on if they've heard anything about this deer man.
But it's one of those ones that, again you really
don't find any information about it on the Internet because

(22:17):
you end up finding two other things, which we can
definitely get into in a minute, but I'll let you
put your thoughts on this one first.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
No, I had actually written down before you mentioned it
in the account there like this is just like Paan
Fams goat Man, that whole thing which we talked about
not so long ago on a Cryptid grab bag. So
I mean, I think anything that you could say for
those type, you know, goat man type creatures, you could
say for you know, this deer man type thing. And

(22:45):
that's you know, another game of telephone situation. One person's
goat man is another person's deer man.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, how's it say, goat man, deer man. They could
all literally be the same thing. Yeah, I mean throwing
in some theories on this one. Let me bring up
this first web page. One of the first ideas that
I had on this one is something that's been pretty
popular in the crypto community lately, and for anybody that
hasn't heard of it, it is the not deer, and
to read a little bit about it, The not deer
a legendary creature of creature or cryptid that is said

(23:13):
to live in Appalachia, particularly in the western North Carolina,
United States. They are said to resemble white tailed deer
at a glance, but upon closer inspection exhibit strange features
such as unnatural proportions, strange eyes, and disjointed limbs. They
are also described as exhibiting unusual behavior such as unnatural movement,
staring blankly into the distance, and also showing no fear

(23:34):
of humans. It is likely that the stories of these
features were based on encounters with deer infected with chronic
wasting disease, which is kind of the generic cover up
for this phenomenon that, you know, kind of just seems
like the that's what it is, Like, let's just place
it here and not put too much thought into it,
but kind of diving into some other part. The myth
originated as a local story from Boone, North Carolina, before
gaining more widespread popularity online in twenty twenties through platforms

(23:58):
such as four Chan, Tumbler, Reddit, and to So throwing
a little bit of a North Carolina with a little
bit of Michigan history on on weird deer creatures.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
So what's kind of funny about that? It's probably only
been a couple of weeks ago at this point. My
sister sent me like an Instagram reel and it was
from somewhere in western North Carolina, the Appalachian area. I
don't remember exactly where it was. This woman had made
this recording like through her sliding glass door of this

(24:27):
creature and it looked exactly like her dog, but her
dog was like inside, and you know, this creature, whatever
it was, had these like weird glowing eyes like in
this not deer depiction here that you've got pulled up.
So it was kind of the same thing. It was
like this almost you know, like their dog, but there's

(24:48):
it clearly wasn't And you know, it's basically saying how
she thought it was like some sort of almost like
a Windyo type situation. So you know, maybe it's these
not dear situations. Are you know, some sort of spirit
or elemental or something like that that can take on

(25:08):
the form of other animals to kind of try to
trick people, So.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
To throw in something on this one. So I recently
had this guy named Sean klan On who is He's
a Navajo, he lives on the reservation. He's one of
the few Navajos that are actually out here that are
actually talking about like the skinwalker from like their native perspective.
And I had him on the show recently and he

(25:35):
was kind of trying to break down basically this confusion
that a lot of people have on like what the
skinwalker is. And part of what he was mentioning was
the fact that skinwalkers are particularly from you know, like
the Navajo nation, like that's the Navajo name for this thing.
But he also mentioned the fact that within all of
their tribes there are these things they just go by

(25:56):
different names. So for anybody that says like skinwalkers, you know,
it's region's specific name for something that's in this area,
but it's still a phenomenon that scene everywhere. So if
people are reporting something that's like a skin walker, you
know out in Maine for example, you can't just throw
that their statement is complete bullshit just because you know,
wind it goes are here, because he mentioned that again
they are. They have different names and different tribes, but

(26:16):
this is like an existing thing. But anyways, what I
was trying to get to, so basically what he was
describing was the fact that basically it would be like
a somebody who has somewhat of an understanding of shamanism
or medicine man practice who basically takes the trick shortcut
to be able to use this animal energy. And part
of it is that you like, you know, collect these
different furs and everything, and you could turn into these
different animals. But you can only do it at night,

(26:38):
because he says, if you are still in your animal
form when it comes to daytime, then you're gonna be
trapped in that basically forever. So what I was kind
of wondering was if you have that human component that's
trapped inside of this animal component and it can't escape.
Would you possibly end up with something like this, like,
could this whole not dear phenomenon be just an extension

(27:01):
of this skin walker slash extending to other names of
different tribes, phenomenon of ones that didn't get back into
their human form before daylight came out.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh something else that just popped into my head while
you were just talking there. We've talked about here recently
on the show a piece of folklore where a person
was turned into a deer and could not return to
their human form. Do you remember that.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, that was the Rono Colony once exactly, and the.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Story of Virginia day Are being turned into this white
deer by a medicine man and she could not return
to her human form until she died. So, you know,
that is kind of a more I think artistic depiction
of the same thing. But like when you were talking,

(27:52):
I was like, Okay, it's still checking all the boxes,
you know, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Dude, Like I said, I think that there's there's something
to that, at least that it's SEMs like these sightings
were in an upspike, But at the same time, it
also kind of seems like these quote skinwalker sightings are
at an upspike, So I mean, again, they seem like
they could possibly play off each other. I mean, the
most normy rational response you could possibly say, which I
do definitely take into vast consideration, is chronic wasting disease.

(28:17):
And even we've talked about there being multiple parts of
a phenomenon, like I think a lot of what people
in IP seeing is not DearS could definitely be wasting disease.
But on the other aspect of it, you know, there
might be a couple of them out there that it's
not wasting disease. So the question is what is that
other thing? And I feel like the most logical response
coming from this community's mindset would that it would possibly
be something that has human consciousness to get trapped into

(28:39):
a human body, because that would make sense with like
the weird contortions and twists and shit like, I don't know,
that makes the most sense to me, at least if
you're looking at it from a little bit more woo perspective,
you know.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, and just the fact that these Native American tribes
that are you know, hundreds of miles apart have basically
the exact same legends and pretty much the same, uh,
you know, justifications for why these things happen. That leads
me to believe that they're based off of something. You know,

(29:11):
how much of the nuggetive truth is there and how
much of it is you know, kind of just exaggerated
throughout the years is up for interpretation and really doesn't
matter at the end of the day. But I think,
like most things we talk about on this show, there's
a nugget of truth there somewhere and it's just been
exaggerated and game of telephone throughout the years. But yeah, yeah,

(29:34):
I think I'm kind of with you on that one.
Like most things we talk about, Yeah, a lot of
the situations probably can be explained away with like the
wasting disease or whatever. But you know, if ten percent
of these are something weird or that's still a lot
of damn reports in cases of weird shit going on.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
So and then I do have another possible connection with
this one. And I don't know how far you want
to get into this one, because it could definitely be
a whole other episode in the whole in tent of
this was to focus on Michigan, but there are deer
man report sightings. So the deer man, as these other
report sighting goes, it says the deer man is encryptid,
whose legend originates in the folklore of North America. Citings

(30:13):
the deer man have been reported from several US states,
although they're yeah, although there is some variation to the
descriptions given and going down to like appearance a hybrid
animal deer man that has been antlered, head of great stag,
a human's torso, and lakes described as similar to those
of a man or deer. In addition, it is usually

(30:35):
said to be well muscled and surprisingly fast for its size.
Other accounts gift that the beast gift the beast with
the power of transforming itself from a regular deer into
the form of the described above, which again maybe this
also plays into somewhat of the mix with the not
deer thing. And like I said, I don't know how far
you want to get into these sightings, but there was

(30:55):
one in Ohio that had an unknown date about a
fourteen year old seeing one. There was another one that
came from Delaware in nineteen ninety three, and then there
was another one that was seen in the Wichita Mountain
National Forest in Oklahoma in twenty twelve. A national forest,
no shit, yep in a national forest. And just like
you can see from these descriptions, they're very satyr like,

(31:16):
so I mean diving into the whole weird aspect of that.
For anybody that has followed the whole thing going on
with h ah, why am I brain farting on the
name of that show, the one where there to research
in the Kentucky Goblins. Hell here, hell here there it is. Yes,
the people that watched and listened to the whole thing

(31:36):
with Hellier, they got to a certain point where they
started getting into this whole like started noticing all these
like green man depictions and all of these like old
Celtic like folklory, religion, pagan type tradition things that were
seen all over Appalachia. And if that's the case of
that stuff's popping up in Appalachia, I mean, I definitely
think these deer man sightings kind of extending from partially

(31:59):
in apple Aatchia with like Ohio and Michigan and stuff,
and maybe going a little bit farther out. I don't know,
maybe there is some type of plan with the whole
idea of like satyrs and you know, the Celtic religions
with this, like maybe we're just calling it a new thing,
but it is just a satyr. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, a lot of the people from Appalachia came from
you know, Scotland and Ireland, and that's why, you know,
what we think of as like bluegrass or folk music
is very similar to like old English music. You know,
that stuff just came over here. That's where those people originated.

(32:33):
So it makes sense to me that like these green
Man wild Man of the Woods type legends have taken
root in Appalachia. And you know, that becomes a very
interesting chicken or egg type situation like did these people
you know, bring these things over and they're almost like

(32:55):
manifesting these appearances or is it just you know, this
is the cultural consciousness of that area. And so when
you see something weird, you know, like we talk about
the phenomenon wearing masks, it presents a mask of this thing.
So I mean, that's that whole conversation is much larger
than you know, we're gonna dig into on this episode

(33:18):
about Weird Michigan. But yeah, I think there's a lot
to unpack there and you know you're talking about the whole.
You know, Pan and the druids and all that kind
of stuff. You can go deep in a lot of
other subjects and cryptids and just all sorts of weird
stuff when you start going down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, just to throw on a last thing because
I mentioned it I think on the last episode of
Tom but very unpopular opinion. But the whole, like the
Other's concept that you know, we're not dealing with all
these different variations of different creatures and stuff. We're just
dealing with us. And then some other conscious being that
just takes the form. It doesn't have a specific form.
Maybe it's something that's evolved past that and it just
takes the form of whatever you think that you wanted

(33:57):
to take the form of. I mean, it's not like
that's an unheard of constant. I mean, angels, same thing, realistically,
Like they have their true form, but they come into
a form that's a little bit more comfortable for you know,
humans to observe. But on the other side, if you're
not necessarily an angelic being or something that's you know,
evil or something that you just want things to stay
the hell away from you, you know, why doesn't the
same logic work and you just turn into something that's

(34:18):
horrifying looking, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, And like I said when we were talking to Tom,
but I'll reiterate it here. Actually just finished it today,
but I was reading The Eighth Tower by John Keel,
first time i'd read that particular book by him. But
basically what you said is, you know, the thrust of
that book is all these manifestations of the paranormal and

(34:44):
of the phenomenon are just what you said. They're you
know this he calls it the super spectrum, but basically
just energy manifesting itself. And are you know collective consciousness,
you know, the way we look at things, the way
we interpret reality flavors, what these things look like to us.

(35:06):
So basically what you said there is what Keel says
in the Eighth Tower.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Just to throw on another possibility of this whole phenomenon, man,
I mean, obviously the alien's got something going on with genetics.
So you know, if they got a fucked up monster,
maybe they just kick it out of the back door
of the shuttle. And that's what we're calling en cryptids.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Maybe that's what the bald sasquatch man. Thing from the
previous story was.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
They're like, damn it, we fucked it up. Just kick
it out the back door. The humans will deal with it.
They'll create stories about it. It'll be a good thing
for them. It'll give them some character.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
It was like the Runt of the Litter.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
We're just trying to make a goat human, but we
ended up with this satyr looking thing, so like fuck it.
Just kick it out the back door. They'll be fine.
They'll figure it out. It'll either get killed by the
humans and eaten, or it'll learn how to become a
woods gud. It'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Nothing to see here, nothing to see here.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
People, well not people, but aliens. Nothing to see here.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Grace hold that thought. We'll be back in a flash.

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Speaker 2 (36:31):
And now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
So diving into the next one, let me close this
screen share up real quick for you know this one
all right. So the next one is the snow snake
of escan Naba in Delta County, in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
There are some winters when everything seems to be frozen white,
even the animals. Legends of a monstrous serpentine creature. The

(36:58):
color of snow drifts circular here where the days grow short.
They tell us. They tell of a beast that soliers
through the avalanche of snow that falls every year in
the up Never mind the fact that the reptiles are
cold blooded creatures and don't function too well in freezing temperatures.
Tales of the snow snake supposedly date back to ancient
native lore, and local tribe nations once did indeed carve

(37:21):
wooden snakelike figures to use in throwing games. Contemporary witnesses
are hard to find. Few people, it is said, who
have seen a snow snake burst from beneath the crystalline
surface to face, its glassy stare have lived to tell
the tale. The snow snakes are also accused of mishift
skiers who lose their balance of or ice fishers whose

(37:41):
shanty shift on the ice will often blame the hoary
hue reptile for their problems. No snow snake body, living
or dead, has yet been brought forth for examination, but
some people claim to have seen its tracks winding through
the pine forest, always ending mysteriously as if the creature
has vanished into the ground below and orans. Since you're

(38:03):
or anybody watching the video, here is a depiction of
what the snowsteaks supposedly looks like.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It looks like a pokemon.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
It does. And actually here is the fun part that
we'll connect into something that we talked about in a
previous episode. So for anybody that is familiar with the squonk,
you guys will be familiar with this. The legend of
the snow snake was can be found in the book
called Fearsome Critters by Henry Tyrone, which shares this lumber

(38:30):
which shares the lumberjack folklore of the North Arned, United
States and in Canada. And this book originally came out
in nineteen thirty nine, and just to give a little
bit of background on it, when we did our Squonk episode,
Uh crap, where is that? Let me make sure I
bring up the window because I got to make sure I.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Have this tap up.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Uh there it is. Booh, there it is okay. So
for anybody just to give fill in a little bit
of information on the background of this. The conclusion that
we basically came to for the Squonk was that it
was basically just some made up folklore for the sake
of this book. Because back when this book was being written,
which actually I think the publication of this book, the

(39:09):
republished version of it, was nineteen thirty nine, but this
book originally came out in eighteen something because it was
around the same time as like the Civil War, when
in Pennsylvania they were chopping down all the forests. They
got to a point where like they chopped down like
ninety percent of the trees that were in Pennsylvania, and
it was completely destroying the ecosystem, like destroying everything in Pennsylvania.

(39:30):
So this guy basically wrote this book talking about all
these weird creatures that existed in the woods. So that
people would be like, Oh, there's weird creatures out there.
I want to discover these things. I'm not going to
destroy these woods. So it was a lie, but it
was intended with good purpose so that people wouldn't keep
destroying the woods. So with that being said, with where
we got with the squank, I didn't find any Native

(39:52):
American tales of this snow snake coming from this region.
At least I did find some variations of it, but
it seemed like a different snows because they talked about
this like small snake, where it seems like with a
lot of the Blumberjack stuff, they talk about this like
way bigger snake, but coming straight from the horse's mouth.
Reading the book on this one, the snow snake. During
the year of the Two Winters, when the July temperatures

(40:15):
dropped to negative sixty two degrees, these pink eyed, white
bodied savage survents crossed over from Siberia via Berlin straight.
They via bearing straight. They had bat They are bad actors.
The venom is deadly, with a speed of action second
only to that of the hop Hop snake or the

(40:35):
hammer drard. Hibernating in summer but becoming active in winter,
the snow snake coils in a low drift, where its
pure white color makes it wholly invisible to its prey.
One strike is sufficient. Mankind is not often bitten as
he makes too as he makes too big of a mouthful,
but sometimes a snake will get over ambitious When this

(40:58):
does happen, takenglefoot oil is the only known remedy. I
was trot by a snowsteak is still a much used
expression of late homecomings. So yeah, I mean diving into
some of the Native American stuff too that I did find.
They also made this reference to tanglefoot oil being the
only cure, but I don't know what the fuck tanglefoot.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oil is, so yeah, I've never heard of that, just.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
The sake of it. I'm gonna look that up on
the internet. But I'll let you throw your thoughts on
this one while I'm looking that up on the internet.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Uh yeah, so just a few little faults. I'm glad
you read that second little report there, because some of
the things that popped into my head were stuff we've
talked about on the show before. First off, Mongolian deathworm.
That second report sounds a lot like the reports of
the Mongolian death worm. To me. The other thing I

(41:45):
thought about is, I don't know if you remember when
we did kind of our you know, cave dwelling Creatures
episode when we talked about the moon eyed people and
in the you know, western North Carolina, like Cherokee area,
they've got this story that kind of ties into the
moon eyed people of this like giant leech that you know,

(42:07):
inhabited this river that separated where the Native Americans lived
and the moon eyed people lived. And I'm not going
to get into the whole story, but basically, this giant leech,
you know, caused trouble for the natives. But those are
just kind of a couple of things that popped in
my head. You know, you're talking about how there weren't

(42:30):
too many other Native American legends about these sort of snakes.
But here, again, one person's snake could be another person's
giant leech. So that's kind of where I went with it.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And just to throw in some additional information, tanglefoot oil
is usually used as a as a super sticky organic
product that forms a non toxic barrier that stops and
kills crawling insects that are out to prey on your trees,
and it's its ingredients are gum resins and vegetable oil
and wax. So apparently it's some type of like sticky

(43:01):
substance you'd usually use for protecting trees because small bugs
will stick to it. So I fucking don't know the
watch behind that one. But okay, okay, But like I said,
I'm trying to bring you the obscure ones here, So
that's what you get. You get it. You get a snowsnake,
and you get a deer man. But that's not even
the weirdest one's yet. We still got a couple other
wird ones get into. But do you have any more
thoughts on this one before we hop onto the next one?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Sir? Now, I think I'm good on that one, all right.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
So the next one. Let me get to this page
in the book. My apologies. We actually have three more
to get into, so, knowing that I am a big
sasquatch fanatic, I will get farther into more sasquatch stuff
in Michigan, but I at least have to add this
one just because I thought it was really interesting. We
won't go too far into this one because there's not
too much that can really be said about sasquatch encounters

(43:47):
that we haven't already probably said on the show, but
just for the sake of having it on here, I'm
bringing it back into the thought of people's minds. Here
is the story about the Monroe Monster of Monroe County, Michigan.
It was the Depression era the mid nineteen thirty when
a farmer near Monroe became aware that some hulking and
hairy person was lurking around the riverbanks of his property.
But this was out of work transition, trying to live

(44:11):
off of land between freight train riots. It was a
creature completely covered in hair, manlike, but not a man bigfoot. Interestingly,
the hairy humanoid primate so similar to monster fans Day
was not widely known in the nineteen thirties, but in
nineteen seventy eight, a Monroe librarian wrote a letter to
a woman whose in laws had owned that farm, recalling

(44:31):
the stories her own father had told her about the
creature and asking if she had any more information. Strange
Michigan doesn't know whether the woman ever answered, but it's
possible that the Harry Farm lurker stuck around Monroe for
at least thirty years. Monster mania struck Monroe in the
mid nineteen sixties, as newspaper headlines screamed monster mob Clogg's

(44:51):
roads and is monster loose here? Miss Herbert Owens and
her seventeen year old daughter, Christine van Ack were the
main focus of the clamor. The women claimed they were
attacked in their car near Mental Road around midnight on Friday,
August thirteenth, nineteen sixty five by a harry seven foot
tall monster who as they drove home from visiting Miss

(45:14):
Owen's parents. Christine was at the wheel, driving slowly due
to ball tires on the family vehicle. She slowed down
even more when she saw some kind of figure in
the headlights. Then, to her horror, the frightened. The figure
reached in through the driver's side window and grabbed Christine
by the hair as if to drag her out of

(45:36):
the car. It banged her head against the door door
post until she fainted and her head fell against the horn.
That brought area residence running to the women's aid, and
the creature retreated. As many as fifteen area residents claimed
to see the monster over the next week or so,
although one sighting turned out to be nothing more than
a horse, because mixing up a horse with sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, maybe it was a man.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Maybe fuck, it's a satyr. Some said that the creature
grunted and groaned like a mad dog, but both missus
Owens and Christine flunked polygraph tests questioning them about the incident,
and local authorities began investigating rumors that the monster was
actually the local young man in a gorilla suit. At
least one witness said it appeared there were there were

(46:21):
men's pants visible under the beast. Torso By January nineteen scoobypation.
It's a scooby Doo situation. Like they're tired of kids
fucking around in their neighborhood. Man, They just they got
to grab a pitch by the hair and just a
yanker out of the fucking car once in a while.
You know, you know how that does.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Hey, in the sixties, you were allowed to do that
sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Give him a little smack, you know, you know you
can beat him with the stick as long as it's
no bigger than your thumb. That was the rule, right
uh So devn back in uh By January nineteen seventy,
the local newspaper was looking back at the Moreau Monster
as a hoax of the decade. It noted Monroe had
enjoyed wide worldwide variety for ten days until police decided

(46:59):
the whole thing was a joke. Witnesses, however, continued to
stick to their stories. Missus Owens, after failing her polygraph,
insisted the tests had been rigged. How can I make
people believe? She said. Two hairs proposed to be more
be from the animal were sent to the state police
laboratory in Lansing, but newspapers did not hear the reported outcome.
And then there is the fact that a similar creature

(47:20):
had been reported without fenfare, in the same area around
thirty years earlier. Was the Monroe monstery case of hysteria
or a cover up of something that police prefer to
keep quiet. The episode is still controversial and strange. Michigan
can only hope that the creatures will still show up
once again, behaving more politely this time, hopefully to settle

(47:40):
the matter. And I did find a lot more on
this on some other pages, but this is one of
those ones where it's just it's a really hard back
and forth where it's like these people are blue in
the face, claiming that this happened to them. They claim that,
you know, the polygraph test was rigged. And I mean,
normally I would always side with the person had the experience,
because you know, I can't tell you what you experienced,

(48:01):
only you know what you experienced. But on the other side,
I questioned it with the polygraph test, not that those
things are one hundred percent accurate, but if both of
them filled the polygraph test, that's when it was like,
if one of them filled, it wouldn't be so weird,
but if both filled, it's a little weird to me.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
But well, and this is one of those deals where
more than one thing could be true at one time.
I mean, before we got to the point about the
Scooby Doo a hoax and the pants being seen under
the gorilla costume, I suppose, kind of suppose, allegedly, I
kind of jotted down some notes like, oh, it has

(48:35):
hacked a car, it was grunted, like this is totally
a dog man. Then, like you talk about on the show,
a lot of like Sasquatch reports back in years past,
could have been dog man. They just didn't have better
words than Sasquatch for it. So I mean, this could
be one of those situations where, you know, the initial reports,
some of the reports whatever, were a legitimate cryptid sighting,

(48:58):
and then kind of the the ho and the jokesters
and whatever kind of just piled on after that.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I mean, I feel like there's a lot of stuff though,
that starts off with the Great Depression era, Like if
I'm not mistaken, the Ohio Grassman, that goes back to
the Depression era, right, And there's a lot of people
that believe that the Ohio Grassman may have actually been,
like this mention in that article, some type of like
nomad or something like that that was living off in
the woods. And I mean, I did put some stocker

(49:25):
validity into that off the aspect of like, Okay, yeah,
you're not gonna confuse a person for a big, hairy animal.
But on the other side of it, though, if this
guy is a hermit and he's trying to live in
the woods and doesn't want anybody to bother him, and
he's not even supposed to be there in the first place,
wouldn't it make sense that he might try to come
up with some type of way to scare people away
from where he's trying to live at like particularly the
Ohio Grassman, even maybe this one, particularly the Ohio Grassman,

(49:48):
though the guy was making like, you know, the little
like uh hideouts and everything out of like grass and
maybe it is a sasquatch. But on the other side,
if you already had the ability to do that, would
it be that much harder to make a grass suit
to scare people away from that stuff? I mean, no, man,
Maybe there's some validity to it that they just purposely
threw a bunch of mud and fucking other shit on them,
just try to scare people away from the area they
were living. If this goes back that far, or there

(50:10):
is a fucking sasquatch there, I don't know, because nineteen
thirties man a lot more rule, a lot more possibility
of sasquatch being all over the place.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Or it's feral humans. I haven't talked about feral humans
in a minute on the show, so I've been jones
in over here.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Dude. Weren't we all eventually going to get to an
episode about that or do we? You know, we did
part of it on the North Carolina one, right, but
we didn't do a when we.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Were talking about like Missing four one one and the
National Parks and all that. We talked about it a
little bit in that episode, so.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
At least we touched a little bit, and we can
come back around to it and just cover all the
weird stuff. Because I want to do one about the
Michigan melon Heads, because that's when I didn't add onto
this one because I thought it would be its own, good,
solid episode. But yeah, for sure we can kind of
wrap that in as a hole and do the melon
Heads with all the feral human stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, the Melonheads thing kind of ties in or potentially
could to like Dover demon type stuff too, which we
talked about on the show.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
And that could even tie intown extraterresshial stuff. According to
a recent.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
List, dunt dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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Speaker 3 (51:41):
And we're back with the high strangers. Let's get back
into it. So diving into the next one, and this
one is a very short one. I didn't really have
too much other information on it, but it was just
super weird, so I really wanted to share it. Buddy
Man of Cote Roade Woods. And this is literally just
a paragraph on this one, coming directly from the person
that saw it. A tiny community on US Highway forty

(52:02):
five in southern on Tanagan County has already given its
name of the mysterious lights that appeared some miles south
of it near Watermeat. Near waters Meat. Now it appears
the woods near Pauling hold yet another secret, a pure
white man sized bunny rabbit. A believable middle aged woman

(52:23):
named Lil told Strange, Michigan that it was in nineteen
fifty eight that her and her mother had a forest
encounter that she never forgot. She used to work in
the woods near Choate Road between Paulding and Bruce Crossing,
said Lil, and she said she saw what looked like
a white rabbit, only it was five feet tall when
it saw her it ran away on two legs, on

(52:45):
two legs, she said, Lil. I just couldn't believe it.
But Mom wasn't the type to make things up. If
she said it, I believe it. Choate road runs north
and south about five miles west of Highway forty five.
And again I couldn't find more information on that, but
five foot snow white, fucking bunny man. Like here's a little,
uh somewhat artist depiction of it.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
But yeah, that's definitely a bunny.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Any thoughts on this one?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Man?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Uh So, didn't we talk about like a bunny man
serial killer?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Yes, And that's when I try to look up anything
about this, that's all you get. And that's what I
got stuck with is that I couldn't find any reports
on a bunny man creature because everything that came up
was the bunny man, bunny Man bridge all the.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Well, there we go. It's a say op, the bunny
man serial killer was a government agent that was trying
to suppress information about this giant bunny man thing. And
so when you know, years in the future, you google
bunny man, you get the serial killer or not this thing.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
There we go because they're actually they don't want you
to find this secret base where they're just creating all
these like fucking Narnia human hybrids, you know, like they're like,
we gotta we gotta steer the direction away, like let
them go chase this serial killer in a rabbit suit
rather than a five foot white fucking rabbit. Like, honestly, man,
I'm afraid if she would have followed this thing, she
would have fucking went into a weird room with a
strange man wearing some weird black glasses, and you would

(54:07):
have tried to hand her two pills red or white
or red or blue. Follow the white rabbit, except for
if it's a five foot tall one, because then there's
something already fucked up with the system. Man.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, I think like this big rabbit man thing is
almost scarier than like some of the other shit we
talk about on the show. Like if I ran up
against you know, the the half bald, half hairy, uh
cryptid of undetermined origin, I'd be like, okay, what I'd
be fucking terrified if I saw a five foot tall
rabbit just running around on its hind legs.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Dude, I want to see this thing attack though, because
if you watch like normal rabbits attack if you're seeing
those videos, or they just like smack the shit out
of something with their front paws, Like can you imagine
you just are like, holy shit, a money man and
this thing gets scared and it runs up to you,
and you think it's gonna do something like horrifying, like
bite you or whatever, and it just starts coming up
and just bitch smacking.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
A rabbit. Fight club doesn't show up in my feet.
I guess my algorithm is off.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
You gotta look that one up. It's great, it's really fun.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Okay, you know, I feel like if you put like
bunny fight Club into like Google image search with the
safe search off, you might get some interesting things.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Eh, yeah, you're right, you might get a two white
girls fighting.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Well. I was going like more playboy bunny type situation,
but yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I was thinking snow bunnies, but I don't know. And
moving on and moving on to the last one that
I have for you guys today. And everybody's heard of
the Chicago moth Man, everybody's heard of the Point Pleasant
moth Man, But have you guys heard of the Michigan
moth Man?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Because I have not negative.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Until I've read this article, so this one again comes
directly from the person who had this experience, and it
is the Palestine Mothman. Our true story begins at around
ten pm. The area is known as the Lars Lake Haunts,
or others refer to the area as Struntsmanville Strenchmanville Swamps.
Lars Lake is a heart shaped and spring fed is

(56:00):
heart shaped and spring fed, and is part of the
Haunts and the swamps. A road tours around it. The
Struntsman name comes from the road about five miles south
of Lars Lake. Many who live in the area do
not wish to travel the rows of the Lars Lake
Haunts because of some strange sightings. The locals are known
to take alternative routes to avoid driving through settings of

(56:21):
bigfoot flying creatures which I personally have seen, which apparently
this person has personally seen many times. Flying orbs and
wolfmen have been noted. The flying men wolfmen aka dog
man Dun Dun Dun dun, the flying mud mud orbs
that I that I have some.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. I'm gonna stop your flying mud.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Orbs, flying mud orbs, the flying mud orbs that I
have seen many many times, are like a round mud
ball that whooshes by your car. The orbs are gray
brown in color and about a foot long. I'll just
let you impack down.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
For a minute that it's definitely just like sasquatch turds
that they're throwing at you.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
The sasquatch is moving so goddamn fast you just think
it's a giant fucking.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Mob of mud mud orbs.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
You know those times when you're driving on the freeway
and you just get like a big glob of mud
on the front front of your fucking car.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
It's a mud orb.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
It's a mud orb. It's a fucking sasquatch. Shit. To
go back to our story, we are going north on
Canby Road on the way from a picnic. The date
was Wednesday, July twenty fifth, two thousand and seven. Suddenly
a large creature flew from above and hit our windshield.
The height of the creature was about nine to ten
feet tall, and the wingspan is hard to guess. This

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thing looked all white in the front with a black back.
It had two back feet that appeared to be two
front feet all white. It was so big that it
covered the width of the windshield in an instant, it
disappeared as fast as it came. No sounds were heard.
Even when this thing hit the car, there was no
sound or bang or anything. We looked high and low

(57:58):
to see where it went. Funny thing. We did not
get out of the car. My friend turned the car
around to drive the other way, and nothing was to
be found on the road or in the sky. The
plausibility to explain. The plausible explanation may be that an eagle, turkey,
or hawk flew into the car. Yet I have never
seen an eagle, turkey, or hawk that was totally white
in the front of its body. When we got back,

(58:20):
my friend took a flashlight to see what was on
the car. From the bike rack, he picked off what
appeared to be a feather of some sort. Many have
said that our sightings. Many have said that our sightings
may have been one of the mothman. And just to
show you what that little piece looks like, there's a
little piece of this supposed mothman type creature.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
That's terrifying, right.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
And I didn't find anything else about any Michigan mothman anything.
But the only thing that I did find, which maybe
there's a correlation, maybe there is not, And again giving
credit where credits due. This one comes from lawn Stricular
over there at Phantoms and Monsters, and this one talks
about an owl man that was seen near Iron Ridge, Michigan.

(59:04):
And when I was looking into this mothman sighting, it
was near the tip of the Lower Peninsula, and it
appears that this sighting was basically almost touching Wisconsin up
in the upper Peninsula, so it's pretty good distance apart.
But the only other like white flying cryptid type thing
that I could really find for Michigan was possibly an
owl man. So that's I mean, if you want to

(59:25):
get into this counter, we definitely can. It can be
a little bonus at in one if you'd like. But
if not, then yeah, this is the closest thing I
could find to some type of white mothman.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
But yeah, so I guess kind of my thoughts on
that is, I thought, when you were reading three of
the report, the coloration was kind of odd, you know,
the white and the black, and you know, I kind
of think this might be one of those situations where
it was just like an eagle or some big bird

(59:55):
that these people hit. Because I think people like really underplay,
like how big those like birds of prey are, you know.
And I think if you like ran up on one
in your car on some back road in the middle
of the night, it would probably freak you the fuck out,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I mean, I will say that, like hawks, people don't
realize how big those things are. Ryan has a chicken.
It's like twice the size of a chicken. But like
seeing them flying around and shed, I would have assumed
they were the size of a chicken. But they're twice
the size of a damn chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Well, and an eagle is huge, Like an eagle's the
size of like a sixth grader, you know. I mean,
if something like that did hit your car, I it
doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that like
in the heat of the moment, you'd be like, oh
my god, that was something weird, another worldly, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
So Supposedly, the wingspan of an eagle is seventy to
ninety inches, and it says that their body height is
nine point four to oht a body width is nine
point four to thirteen inches, with their average height standing
seventeen to twenty four inches, So roughly they're about two
feet tall, but their wingspan is what is that, what's

(01:01:07):
seventy by twelve roughly fucking seven eight feet?

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah that's huge.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah, so I mean that's well the width of a windshield,
like they said in the report, you know, I mean
that or they just had to stood up hit an
owl because I mean I was a pretty fucking big too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I mean the owls are big too. And so this
is kind of a funny story. Doesn't really have anything
to do with this, but kind of does. So when
I was growing up, my dad's best friend was like
a motorcycle rider, and he was riding his motorcycle one
night and he was the same thing kind of on

(01:01:44):
his back road and he hit a buzzard when he
was on his motorcycle, and like I mean by he
hit a buzzard, like the buzzard was flying, he rode
his motorcycle right into it, like the buzzard was like
on the motorcycle with him. He was like trying to
wrestle this thing off of him while he was riding
his motorcycle down the road. But basically he said the

(01:02:06):
same thing, like this motherfucker was huge, Like I had
no idea what I hit it like took me a
while to figure out this was a buzzard I hit. So,
I mean when you were reading that story, that's just
what it made me think of, Like that doesn't really
have anything to do with anything. I just thought it
was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I mean, you had a fucking bird, I mean, especially
on a motorcycle. It's just that's the fucking horrifyinglake. It's
like something from one of those uh, I swear I've
seen like ten different movies that were like the early
two thousands of comedies or somebody's riding on a motorcycle
and a bird gets like stuck to their fucking face
and they're just a freaking out and shit, no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
This guy actually did it. So, I mean, I guess
my here, I'm gonna tie it all back in. My
point was these type of things do happen. People do
just hit big fucking birds on their car, motorcycle, or
whatever mode of transportation they're on. So, you know, I'm
always prone to believe weird things, but I think this one,
it might be an Ockham's razor situation. The simplest solution

(01:03:01):
might be the right when I think they hit like
an owl or a buzzard or something like that. Hey,
just a buzzard because the color is not right. But
you know what I mean, Wait, front, black back, All right, guys,
we got to take another break. We'll be right back

(01:03:23):
and now we're getting back to the bazaar.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
But I mean, just to throw it in here, just
because it is another Michigan one. I'll just read the
person's report and I won't get into all the background
everything with it, with like the research team and everything.
But the original report says it was a grayish white
and it happened to be an Iron River, Michigan Mineral Hills,
where I was born and raised. Also, there was a
talk of alien abduction in the seventies and eighties, where

(01:03:47):
I am not discounting that this happened to myself for
my family. It was about eleven PM on midnight in
nineteen ninety seven or nineteen ninety eight, and it was
not a large owl. It was a it was far bigger.
We were about to drive down a hill and there
was out of nowhere, like it swooshed down in front
of the car. This almost sounds like that report, right.

(01:04:07):
I went to say, from one wing to the end
of the next, likely eight to ten feet wide. This
is almost exact. We both screamed, and it flew into
the darkness to our old mining grounds. It's almost like
it came from behind us and then swooped in front
of the vehicle. All I could say. All I can
say is that it seemed whiteish gray, and I'm not

(01:04:27):
sure about the legs or feet. All I know is
it was like a human like body and then a
humongous wingspan, far larger than an owl's. It is just
like if my husband, who is six feet six foot one,
would be flying and have a huge wingspan. When asked
by the investigator, she said she had previously had another

(01:04:48):
any encounters. The witness stated that she had not. The
witness then stated that a friend of hers had mentioned
her that they had another encounter approximately two weeks after
the initial encounter. My friend reminded me that there was
a second time within weeks of it of the first encounter.
Uh so, yeah, basically two people had this encounter of
this thing, and almost the first one basically lines up

(01:05:10):
with that one. So I mean, either one there's a
bunch of weird, big flying things around Michigan that people
are almost hitting, or the most logical explanation is maybe
there's just bigger owls in certain areas that people just
yea fully documented I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Mean, I certainly don't discount that there's not some weird, big,
huge cryptid flying around in Michigan. But here again, I
think most people just don't realize how fucking big an
owl is. Like a few months ago, so the apartment
complex from me and Jenny live, Our apartment is like
right next to where like the pool area is, and

(01:05:46):
so there's like tall trees right there, and we were
like coming up down the sidewalk and there was this
huge fucking owl like in the tree by the swimming pool.
And this thing was massive, Like it was right in
front of the weirdest thing I've ever seen, like just
like stared us down. I don't think it was like
anything paranormal, but like, this thing was huge. So I

(01:06:07):
think people just don't realize how big these things are.
Like you said, you think, oh, well, it's probably a
little bit bigger than a turkey or whatever. No, No,
they're they're way fucking bigger than dude.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I had never seen an owl before, and actually the
first night I had seen an owl was with you, actually,
but you you went up to bed. Actually, it was
when we were in Ohio last for Small Town monster Fest.
You know, we're all like hanging out outside and everything.
We're having our drinks and everything afterwards, and then you
guys went to go to bed, and I just said,
I'm gonna go for a walk around the building real
quick before I go to bed. As I'm walking on
the side of the building, like these are fucking like skyscrapers,

(01:06:42):
not like a big, huge city or nothing like that,
but at least you know, like say like twenty floors
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Right, yeah, building.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Next to us, I hear this thing that sounds like
something screaming, like a little kids screaming. I'm like, what
the fuck is that? Started looking up in this building,
I see this giant fucking owl that's flying back and
forth between our hotel and the building next door. And
considering that, dude, like I said, this is like twenty
stories up, and this thing still looked fucking huge from
that size, Like, I can't imagine how big that damn
owl is. But before that, dude, I'd never heard an

(01:07:09):
owl screech, and I'd never seen one in person. Ironically,
I saw one in the middle of a fucking city.
So that's that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean I didn't know we were
going to get into the Shane and orn Ornithological Hour tonight,
but yeah, so that's kind of where I fall on
that last one. I just think owls are really fucking
big and people don't realize how big they are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
So so is that your last thoughts on this episode?
You got anything else you want to throw in before
we start wrapping everything up?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Uh? No, I think I'm good. Thank you for putting
this one together. This was kind of fun to talk
about some weird stuff that you know, certainly I have
never heard of. I bet a lot of our listeners haven't.
I think this like super localized regional stuff, is a
lot of fun. And like you said, these stories a
lot of times only appear in a few places and

(01:08:00):
are basically just word of mouth, and so I think
it's really important for people to keep alive of the
folklore and the stories and the legends and whatever of
where they're from. You know that. I mean, people always
talk about nature and nurture, and those two things are
very important, but I think you know where you're from
is like almost as much or more so important than

(01:08:23):
nature and nurture. And I think it's like really important
to you know, have a connection to these type of things.
So that was a little bit of a tangent. But
I think it's really cool that you put this episode together,
and I think it's cool to keep these super localized
weird stories that nobody knows about alive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
So I'm glad you knew what I was trying to
go with with that one, because, like I said in
the beginning, I could have covered the generic stuff for Michigan.
I could go covered the dog Man all that kind
of stuff. But my intention with this one was, you know,
Michigan doesn't get that much credit for all of its
weird stories. You know, nobody thinks of like anything weird
that weird when they think of Michigan. Like I said,
you dog man, ufo stuff. But you know, I'm trying

(01:09:00):
to bring some of the old folklore alive again, to
give it a new medium, because a lot of this stuff,
like I was just saying, it's all in books, like
I don't even know how much this has even been
transferred to like a conversational podcast medium before. So I'm
going to try to do some more with this, at
least for Michigan, and try to bring some more of
these stories back into the late so hopefully you know,
the Michigan residents appreciate it and maybe we can get
heavi you're into the North Carolina stuff, and like you said,

(01:09:22):
just hit where you're home first. And like a lot
of researchers say, man, you got to start the investigation
in your own backyard, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Well, and you know, every state has a ton of
these like weird Michigan, weird North Carolina, you know, haunted
whatever books. And I think you know, a lot of
people just kind of write those things off as oh,
you know, that's just a cute little ghost stories almost.
But those are you know, super localized, super regional cryptid

(01:09:51):
accounts and you know ghost stories of course, but if
you look at those things through a different lens, that is,
is your area's cryptid and high strangeness accounts. And I think,
you know, podcasts and things like this, if we can
you know, bring those kind of stories to light and

(01:10:13):
you know, almost give them more credence than you know,
Haunted Michigan or haunted North Carolina gives them. I think
that's you know, a very good thing, and I think
it's an important thing to give these stories the recognition
and the importance they deserve.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
And I mean even we're bringing back old stories to
kind of extend on that a little bit. So again,
we talked about it almost on every single episode of
the show. The whole idea about like people describing what
they have with the language that they have at the time.
So if you're diving into these old stories to give
them honest validity, I think what you need to do
is every like twenty thirty years when the vocabulary changes
up a little bit, where you dig into these stories
because there may not have been anything to you the

(01:10:50):
first six times you read it, but all of a
sudden ten years later, more information has been given, more
information has been figured out about the phenomenon than all
of a sudden boom the story that was obscuring and
meant absolutely nothing. Now check six boxes of something you're researching.
So like, in order to do good research, you have
to bring these old stories back up and see if
they're checking boxes now because they may not have fit
anything in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Well, yeah, no, I think you hit the nail on
the head there. Like a lot of things that you know,
thirty years ago might have been basically a campfire ghost story.
Like if we look at it with today's lenses, we're like,
oh my god, no, this is something completely different. And
only by revisiting these kind of stories, like like you said,
everybody knows about dog Man, everybody knows about moth Man.

(01:11:30):
It's these kind of things that are right for you know, reinterpretation.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And I do have literally two other big gess books
here that are full of these weird accounts. I got
half a shelf that's full of Michigan stuff. So what
I'm gonna try to do is look up all these
super obscure stuff and then we can kind of cross
over them with a new lens, and maybe it can
extend into other states where maybe we can kind of
make it someone of our little niche that we start
doing where we just try to find obscure stories and

(01:11:55):
try to observe them through a new lens. I mean,
maybe we can make make that kind of a thing
that we do. So that being said, if anybody has
some really really localized stories, throw them at us man.
We can put them together for a show, and we
can put them through a new lens. Put them with
our research. But in order to make that a thing,
if we want to super localize this, like, we're gonna
need your community help out there. You know, if you
guys have a story that's literally like only in your county, like,

(01:12:16):
pass that shit over to us. Man, let's that's bring
some life to that there.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And now we're getting back to the bazaarre, all right, Shane,
So again, thank you for putting this together. I'm excited
to see where this kind of series that you're working
on go. So yeah, kind of wrapping us up, Shane,
why don't you get on with the ind of house stuff.

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energy where it will bring positive energy into your workplace
or anywhere that you choose to put one of these things.
And the last one is a sticker mule. If anybody
doesn't know what that is. You guys can get some
T shirts printed, some stickers, anything that you guys want

(01:15:34):
to do. And I know that there is a ten
dollars credit that is available for that down in the
show description, and there are additional discounts for all of
those things that I mentioned, and all those again are
available down in those show notes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And as always, all this shit we've mentioned is in
the link tree in the show description.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
And guys, we definitely kept it bizarre, at least for
the sake of Michigan on this one, but we'll definitely
make sure that we keep it bizarre for every state.
But in the process of that, you guys out there
have to remain just as bizarre as us, so always
always remember to stay bizarre bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
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