#116 The D.B. Cooper Hijack Mystery

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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I really I should, you know, but he might come
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You know.

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Fuck all you hos Detroit, right.

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I don't know. He seems pretty even keeled to me.

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It depends on what you're going on about, man. I mean,
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Well, and I'm drinking a bud light, so we're both screwed.

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Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, so this is gonna be another one that's a
little bit different. It's not gonna be encrypted, it's not
gonna be aliens, it's not gonna be even conspiracies. It's
gonna be something still bizarre though. We're gonna talk about
dB Cooper and Shane. Is there anything in particular that
you know about dB Cooper before we start. Yeah, Cooper
parachute out of a plane up north with a bunch

(06:32):
of stolen cat.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's all I got, right, without a paddle. It's it's
the only reference point that anybody has to this. But
on the flip side, people do call him the human cryptid,
so he may kind of fall into that category a
little bit to put you ask.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, there you go. It's definitely bizarre. So unless you
got anything else or any other fun sound bites, I'm
gonna jump in.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, I'm gonna hold him on retainer for the perfect moments.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Jump in, no pun intended, jump out, jump out, all right.
So getting started. At approximately two pm on November twenty
fourth of nineteen seventy one, and that was the day
before Thanksgiving, a mysterious man arrived at the Portland International
Airport in Portland, Oregon. The man was described as being

(07:16):
approximately six feet tall, well built, and in his mid forties.
Remember that, okay. He had light skin, dark hair, and
brown eyes. And he wore a black business suit with
a white shirt, a black tie, brown slip on loafers,
and a black overcoat. And with him he carried a

(07:37):
black briefcase and a brown paper back. So when the
man got to the airport, he paid twenty dollars in
cash for a one way ticket to Seattle. So back
in the seventies you could buy an airline ticket for
twenty bucks. Pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, they didn't even really check India. You could bring
whatever the hell you wanted on a planet.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
We're getting there, punker Frek's a little bit there, Shane.
So he paid twenty dollars for his airline ticket and
it was aboard Northwest Orient Airlines flight number three. Oh five,
and when he purchased the ticket, he identified himself as
Dan Cooper.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
No DV Cooper. Okay, you had to specify that he
is not dB Cooper, just so everybody knows.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So, this particular flight was aboard a Boeing seven to
twenty seven model airplane and it had a total of
thirty six passengers, including Cooper, and had six crew members.
And the crew consisted of Captain William Scott, first Officer
Bill Ratazak, flight engineer Harold Anderson, and three flight attendants

(08:45):
named Alice Hancock, Florence Schaffner, and Tina Mucklow. And allegedly, allegedly,
Cooper was the second to the last passenger to board
the plane and he sat on the back row of
the plane, seat number eighteen E. So at approximately three pm,

(09:06):
flight three oh five departed for Seattle Tacoma International Airport
and shortly after takeoff, Cooper lit a cigarette and ordered
a bourbon and seven up. Hell of a drink order.
I respect him for.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
That, just right to the point. Yeah, he's a little
bit of chaser. Just get it done.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
So Florence Schaffner, the flight attendant, brought him his drink
and he handed her this note, So Shaffner she just
kind of assumed that, you know, this was like some
lonely business man who was trying to hit on her.
So she initially like disregarded this note and just slipped
it into her pocket. But a few minutes later, Cooper
like insisted that she read the note, and when she did,

(09:46):
she was kind of like shocked and terrified because the
note was neatly written in all caps letters and it
read quote, miss, I have a bomb in my briefcase
and I want you to sit by me. So Shaftner
sat down next to Cooper as she was instructed, and
at that point he opened up his briefcase and he
showed her what appeared to be like eight sticks of

(10:08):
dynamite that were kind of wrapped together and wired to
a cylindrical battery. And at this point Schaffner allegedly asked
Cooper if he was joking, and he replied, quote, no, miss,
this is for real.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That you can dare dare I say that they had
this explosive connection.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Not an explosive finale like oh boy, Jack Parsons.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yet, hold on tight, guys, We'll be right back after
this brief commercial break.

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you guys. And now back to the show, all right. So,

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as flight three oh five made its way to Seattle,
Cooper instructed Schaffner to make a list of his demands,
and the list included two hundred thousand dollars in quote,
negotiable American currency. And remember that phrasing. Okay, I'm not

(11:29):
quite sure what that was, so I'm just gonna move on.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Just play again for you.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Two hundred thousand dollars in negotiable American currency, and again
remember that phrasing. It's going to come back up. And
this two hundred thousand dollars would be roughly one point
six million dollars in today's money, So I mean that's
a pretty substantial chunk of money.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Money, money, money, money, money.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Money, And and Cooper wanted this money to be delivered
to him in a knapsack, and he wanted two back
parachutes and two front parachutes, and he also wanted the
plane to be refueled when they landed in Seattle. And

(12:16):
he also said that he wanted all the passengers to
remain seated while all this happened, and he wanted Tina
Mucklow to go and retrieve the parachutes and the cash
and bring them on the plane for him. And it's
been suggested that by demanding two sets of parachutes, Cooper
quote implied he planned to take a hostage with him,

(12:37):
thereby discouraging authorities from supplying non functional equipment. So after
she kind of wrote down this list of demands, she
took the list to Captain Scott in the cockpit and
he instructed her to remain in the cockpit for the
rest of the flight. And at this point, Tina Mucklow
sat down next to Cooper to act as a liaise

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between him and the flight crew. And I've been I
saw like kind of different accounts of this part of
the story, but one of them said that at this
point he put on like dark wrap around sunglasses, supposedly
to like conceal his identity from this second flight attendant

(13:21):
who was sitting by him.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
You know what, else he said at this point.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
No money, money, money Cooper.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
No, I'm not dB Cooper. He had to specify that
the whole time this was happening. This is a direct
quote from him, No DV Cooper. Yeah, he just had
to make sure that everybody knew that he was not
dB Cooper.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Okay, So it's kind of funny, but throughout this whole ordeal,
like all the other passengers on the plane were like
not aware that the plane was like actively being hijacked.
So it's pretty crazy that like the flight crew and
everybody were able to keep this under wraps and you know,
keep this from really, you know, evolving into a hostile situation.

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But anyway, as they flew, Captain Scott contacted air traffic
control at the Seattle Tacoma International Airport and he kind
of told him about the situation that was going on,
and according to the flight transcript, he allegedly stated, quote,
passenger is advising he is hijacking en route to sea.

(14:20):
The stewardess has been handed a note requesting two hundred
thousand dollars in a knapsack by five pm.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
This seeth.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
He wants two backpack parachutes and two front parachutes. He
wants the money in negotiable American currency. There's that phrasing again, negotiats,
What does that mean exactly? We're gonna get there. And
this is kind of important too. The next line of
the flight log says, quote, denomination of the bills is

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not important, so remember that too when we get a
little further along. Quote he has a bomb in his
briefcase and will use it if anything is done to
block his request en route to sea end quote. So
at this point, the air traffic control notified the Seattle
Police Department and they contacted the FBI, and Cooper was

(15:13):
kind of like adamant that the plane not land until
like all the cash and the items were obtained and
ready to be brought to him. So this forced the
plane to like circle over Seattle for nearly two hours
while like the FBI agents gathered the cash and the parachutes.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Passengers just like there's the space needle. There's the space
needle again again National lampoons.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
It was like, look Kid's Big ben Parliament.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Kids of space needle again.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, So normally the flight from Portland to Seattle's only
like thirty minutes, and so, like I said, they were
circling for like two hours. So the crew told the
passengers that they had like a minor mechanical difficulty. I
think they said something like they had to burn off
excess fuel or something ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like that for two hours and a half hour flight.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, But anyway, so the uh parachutes, they ultimately got
them from a local skydiving school called Seattle sky Sport,
and the cash they got from the Seattle First National Bank.
And what's interesting about that is the cash came from
a special fund that was reserved for emergencies. So this

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meant that all the bills had been photographed and documented
and their serial numbers had been logged, and that's gonna
come up again later as well.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I Mean that's one of those things that if you're
taking a lump sum, especially if you're trying to use
it as ransom, Like there's no way in hell that
they're ever gonna let those bills leave without being documented.
So like, I don't know what the endgame is for
a lot of this shit. I mean, nowadays you're just
gonna get blasted with the giant thing of blue ink.
But like anybody that's trying to take these like lump sums,
like even all the money. You say, somebody you like
try to rob a bank and you try to take

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all the money out of vault or take all the
money out of the drawers, like everything is docus to dude.
Like the second you spend one of those bills ping,
you're gonna get caught. That's how a lot of people
get caught with these big robberies.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Well, and even if you know the uh serial numbers
and whatnot weren't documented, it's so hard to spend like
large amounts of cash at this point, Like anything over
a few thousand dollars, it's gonna be documented, it's gonna
be scrutinized. So I mean, I think the days of
like asking for large cash ransoms are pretty much over

(17:26):
at this point.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I mean, you probably could get away with that. You
just have to ask for it all in quarters. I
think that'd be the way to go. I just need
twenty million dollars in quarters. See how long it's takes
them for that.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Don't truck to haul them around, and I.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Want you to load it into the back of the plane.
We'll circle for like four hours. It'll all be good.
You collect all them damn quarters.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I mean, that's how they could have burned off the
excess fuel with all the quarters on the payload.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Hey, I'm pretty sure that that was a plan. At
one point during one of the Trailer Park Boy movies
is that they realized that coins are unmarked, so they
started going around and stealing shit, all machines and.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Fucking like the parking meters and shit.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's what it was. Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, that's most definitely a Trailer Park Boys. Yeah, it
is one of the movies I think.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I think it was one of the first movies. But
it's a good good sign for anybody. You know, if
you're gonna try get alum sum of money, you better
try your best to get it in fucking some kind
of change. Otherwise that's probably the only option, hiding some
smart shit within a dumb movie.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Right, Maybe the next episode we'll talk about the Trailer
Park Boys coin stealing scheme. I mean, that seems like
a good segue from dB Cooper, does it not?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Next thing? You know? Do There's gonna be a bunch
of people committing these crimes all over the place, and
we're gonna be liable for it. So that being said,
we are not condoning anybody to do a massive heist
and receive it all and change. We are just suggesting
that it would be a good possible idea, but it
is for entertainment purposes only, and we are not telling
you to do that.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
And if you do do it, blame it on Bubbles
and Julian.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, it's not our problem. We got the idea from elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
So jumping back in. At approximately five forty five pm,
flight three oh five landed at Seattle Tacoma International Airport
and Captain Scott instructed all the passengers to remain seated
while Tina Mucklow went to retrieve the parachutes and the
cash from an FBI agent who was waiting on the runway.

(19:12):
And this is where things get kind of sketchy for
our boy dB. So the cash was delivered in a
large canvas bag and remember he said he wanted it
in a quote knapsack, whatever that means. And it consisted
of ten thousand, twenty dollars bills, which I mean that

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just seems like an absurd number of bills, Like you
just don't think about, oh, two hundred thousand dollars, that's
a lot of money. But yeah, so ten twenty dollars bills.
And this goes back to the fact that no denomination
was specified when he was making his demands. So it's
kind of been suggested that obviously, you know, jumping out

(19:54):
of the plane with all this money, it would have
weighed a lot and it could have theoretically affected his
jump out of the plane. But as we'll see later,
there's a whole lot of other factors. I'm not sure
the weight of the cash would have been like a
deciding factor in this.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm gonna throw this in here because it was a
really good comment over in the chats. First and foremost,
the first one says, dude, it's obvious to me now
that dB Cooper was just a trial run for all
of the CAAA airplane hijackings of the seventies and eighties.
I never actually put that one together. I mean, we're.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Gonna get a little bit into that kind of stuff
in theories and conclusions.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
And then the other one says, sounds like an inside job.
Did you ever investigate the pilot or the stewardest thoroughly?
Maybe there's some more additional cool information there too.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I personally didn't see anything particularly interesting about them. I'm
not gonna say there wasn't or there isn't information out
there about them. It just seemed like the flight attendants
were kind of just normal, run of the mill people.
The captain I didn't really find a whole lot of
information about period. But you know, this is one of

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those topics like people devote their whole life to this,
Like this is the shallowest of dives possible on this.
I mean we could do I mean, you could do
a whole show just about dB Cooper never run out
of material.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
For all one event, dude, Like that's the crazy part
about it. And he also throwed in something saying that
he wasn't sure if like the bills were all marked
and stuff like that as far as like the vault goes,
maybe not every single bill, but I do know specifically
that if somebody goes to rob a bank, there is
a particular grass spot that they grab from which has
bills that they have marked, and they also will throw
the pack in there. So it's like that's the whole

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thing you see in movies that you know they're like
not that out of that vault, stuff out of that vault,
just because I know that in every bank, they have
a particular area where it is all marked bills and
that's where they keep the pack. And the intention is
they put that in with the pack and then they'll
be able to track the bills. So there is there
is some like back and forth with it, but yes,
it's not fully true statement, but just want to specify
a little bit, but not to get off the rails.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
But yeah, and like I definitely saw from multiple sources
that like this came from a special fund that was
kind of like earmarked for strange situations like this, So
there was kind of those protections in place for this money.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
And I'm sure it's one of those things too that
if they know that it's going to be something like money,
any money use for ransom, Like even if they're in
a pinch, I feel like they are still going to
take the time to at least mark a handful of them,
hoping that they'll pop back up into circulation somewhere too.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Which we're going to get to in a minute. So
after the parachutes and money were brought on board, the
passengers exited the plane and they began like refueling it,
and Cooper then informed the crew of an additional set
of demands. He wanted the plane to depart for Mexico City.

(22:43):
He wanted it to fly at the lowest possible speed.
He wanted it to fly at an altitude of no
higher than ten thousand feet, and commercial planes typically fly
around thirty five thousand feet, so this is, you know,
significantly lower than a plane normally flies. And he wanted
it to fly with its landing gear deployed. So the

(23:05):
crew told Cooper that, you know, due to a flying
at such a low speed and with the additional drag
caused by the landing gear, the plane didn't have enough
fuel to get all the way to Mexico City, so
they would have to stop and refuel again. So they
kind of went over all their options and they decided
that they were going to stop and refuel at Reno
Tahoe International Airport in Reno, Nevada. So at approximately seven

(23:29):
forty pm, Flight three oh five left Seattle, Washington for Reno, Nevada,
And at this point there were only five people on board.
It was Captain Scott, first Officer, Ratazac, flight Engineer Anderson,
flight attendant Tina Mucklow, and dB Cooper himself. And this

(23:49):
I thought was kind of interesting. The Air Force actually
dispatched two F one ZH six fighter jets from McCord
Air Force Base, which is located near Tacoma, Washington, and
they dispatched them to kind of like follow the plane,
but because they were flying at such a low altitude
and the weather was really bad on the night in question,

(24:11):
they couldn't maintain visual contact and they ended up like
turning around and going back to the base.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
This dude definitely knew what he was doing. I'm sure
we'll get into it in theories and stuff like that,
but oh well, this dude's definitely like ex military like something.
This dude knew what he was fucking doing.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Put that one on the back burner. So anyway, a
little ways into the flight, Cooper instructed the crew to
remain at the front of the plane in like the
first class section, and before Mucklow went into the first
class section, she asked Cooper to take the bomb with
him when he jumped, and he replied that he would

(24:47):
either disarm it or take it with him, which I
think is kind of an odd detail.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
But he was trying to hurt nobody. He was just
trying to get his money and be out.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
He was like a friendly hijacker.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, Like in all fairness though, like which is actually
what a lot of people said.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Like he was an affable guy. He wasn't like angry
or mean to him or anything.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
See, this is one of those situations that kind of
reminds me of like the kill dozer thing, where it's
like people that just get to a point where they're
just like, I am fucking done with this shit. And
it's not that they want to hurt anybody. They're just
done with the way society is functioning and they're just
looking for their out, Like the kill dozer guy prime example,
the dude made a fucking bulldozer to destroy everything. The

(25:23):
whole reason that he did it was because he got
pissed off with a bunch of shit that was happening
with the town and a bunch of stuff coming back
on him, and he had no intention to hurt people,
Like he was literally driving this thing outside hoping everybody
would exit the building before he went to crush it.
It's just people push to their wits end and they
don't want to hurt people, but they just want to
get their point across, you know, So.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
We're gonna kind of talk about stuff of that same
vein when we get into theories.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So I'm always jumping.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I apologize our back murners are full already on this episode. Dude,
you can't be throwing stuff at me with theories, and
I expect that I'm just gonna throw them throughout man.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
All right.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
So after the whole flight crew or like in the
front of the plane, Cooper opened one of the front
parachutes that he had, and supposedly he like took his
pocket knife out and cut the nylon cords on the parachute,
and he fashioned a handle for the canvas bag, since

(26:20):
you know, the knapsack was not provided like he asked for. Now,
in some versions of the story that I read, it
said that he actually took the parachute itself and like
cut strips out of the parachute material and like fashioned
a knapsack out of that. So a couple different versions
of the story. Either way, he opened one of these

(26:40):
parachutes and basically destroyed it so he could have an
apparatus to carry the money. So anyway, he strapped on
one of the back parachutes, tied the money around his waist,
and he opened the rear staircase of the plane. Now
this is where things get really interesting. At the time,
I'm the Boeing seven twenty seven was the only commercial

(27:03):
airplane that was equipped with a rear staircase. So this
is obviously led to speculation that Cooper was familiar with
that model of airplane and specifically chose flight three h
five to hijack because he knew that it had this
back staircase that he could execute this jump from. So,

(27:24):
at approximately eight PM, Cooper descended the rear staircase and
jumped from the plane. And he jumped out somewhere over
southern Washington State. So do you have anything out?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Fuck this shit, I'm out. And before he left, the
last thing he ever said was no, Cooper, you want
to specify, just to make sure everybody knew.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Oh, I thought you were going to say he said,
fuck this shit, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, Well you saw that shit I'm mount. He was
the original writer of that song. Just in case you
guys didn't know.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, So we learned something today.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Learned something new today every day that D. B. Cooper
is not D B. Cooper and fuck the shitty's out.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
He was a man of many talent, a man of.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Many talents, and also a little fun fact for you
after he disappeared. Nobody knows this, the whole conspiracy. He
went and he played mister crabs money money, money, money,
money money, that's actually dB Cooper.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Okay, you're just full of nuggets of wisdom today.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yep, a lot of fun nuggets of wisdom that nobody knew,
not even myself. I just came up with them. Don't
go anywhere, guys, We'll be right back with that bizarre
stuff you crave.

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Speaker 1 (29:05):
And we're back with the high strangs. Let's get back
into it.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
So at approximately eleven PM, Flight three oh five landed
in Reno and the crew was evacuated and the FBI
agents like began an extensive search of the plane. They
found Cooper's plane ticket, his clip on tie, but they
did not find any of the cash, the bomb, like

(29:29):
I mentioned before, or obviously Cooper himself. And he also
took like the handwritten original note that he gave to
the flight attendant, which I thought was kind of interesting. So,
you know, like you said, obviously this guy really thought
out a lot of this stuff. This was not some
crazed lunatic who jumped on an airplane, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, I will even throw in I don't even
know if you want to get into like the theory
aspect of it. But again, almost there's other two sides,
But either one this guy was really planned out, really strategic,
really knew what he was doing, or on the flip side,
he was really planned out, really stati knew what he
was doing because he was working for the CIA or
some type of government group. Because obviously, as everybody knows,

(30:08):
when it comes to a lot of this stuff where
you start stripping away freedoms, it's a long game. It's
not like an instant thing. So it's like you have
to lay things down through time, you know. It's not
like you can just instantly go from like all right,
everybody just get on the plane to all right, we're
gonna check every single rifice you have. There has to
be there has to be a bit of a leeway
room to get to that point, so you have to

(30:28):
have a starting point. It seems like I don't know, man,
I've heard the story a million times, and I always
like pick up something a little bit different each time,
and at least this time reading it, like I don't
know if it's because of the awesome comment over here
from a foot soldier or not, but I don't know,
I'm really picking up the whole like you know, plans, planned, opposition, idea.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about that a little bit at
the end.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
So uh.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Anyway, they also found a partial fingerprint and a few
strands of hair, and they also found eight cigarette butts
in the ash that he had smoked. But obviously, you know,
this was like nineteen seventy one. At this point, he
was a nervous.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
And chain smoked eight of him and back to back. Man,
I mean he had to get his nerves.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
In the seventies, I mean, you could smoke on airplanes,
which is crazy, but.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Dude, up until like what the eighties, they thought smoking
was good for you. They're like, oh, you got asthma.
Go smoke a cigarette, it'll help.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
You could possibly go wrong?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
What could possibly go wrong? I've been smoking cigarettes my
whole life. You hear how great my voice is. It
helps with asthma. A good voices for now?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, all right. So obviously at this point in time,
forensic testing and whatnot wasn't anywhere near the level it
is right now, So like no positive matches for the
fingerprint or the DNA or anything like that wherever found.
And the FBI also began like questioning the crew and
various eyewitnesses that had seen Cooper throughout the day, and

(31:57):
they began work on a series of composite sketches. And
I'm sure anybody who's listening to this episode has seen
these sketches. This is like the picture you always see
of dB Cooper. It's like the kind of like wanted
poster looking thing. There's like a couple of them, Yeah,
there you go. There's the one where he's got the
sunglasses on. There's the one where he yeah, yeah, there

(32:20):
you go where he doesn't have the sunglasses. But there
was like a whole series of these that they commission
to get to like the ultimate, you know, best version
which I believe is the one you have pulled up now.
Uh you see the one there in the middle of
the screen. Yeah, that one that you've got the cursor,
that was the first image. And they say this one
was not accurate if you look at it compared to

(32:42):
like the picture directly above it, the face is much skinnier,
it's longer. It's just kind of a weird looking dude
in this picture. And the one that they say is
most accurate. Uh, you know, he just looks like a
normal guy, like, nothing particularly remarkable about him in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Which which is definitely the way to go if you're
gonna try to do something like this. I mean, you
want to blend in with a crowd. You don't want
to have any distinguishing marks, nothing like that. If you
just look like a generic businessman traveling on a plane
back in the seventies, dude, Like, good fucking luck trying
to find this guy. Now to mention the most generic
seventies haircut possible, you know, completely shaven face, I mean
either had a completely shaven face or a full beard,

(33:20):
Like he picked the most generic like businessman seventies look.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
That well, I don't know if it was so much
that he picked that. I mean, like back in the fifties, sixties, seventies,
everybody basically wore like the same clothes and had the
same haircut. You know, there wasn't as much individuality, I guess,
I'll say, as there is nowadays.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I mean, yeah, I mean I still feel like people
still try to like add their flair and stuff like that,
but yeah, he tried to. I mean just generic black suit,
because I mean even back in the day, I mean
people kind of had like their colors, you know, they
wear like browns, or they wear this, or they wear that.
He just generic is the most generic possible outfit. Like,
I think he purposely chose this outfit absolutely strategically.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
So so kind of jumping back in. After analyzing the
flight data, the FBI initially theorized that Cooper most likely
landed near Lake Merwin in Ariel, Washington, corner.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Of bumfucking you got pretty well.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
So. The FBI and like the local police began searching
the area, and they even used the FBI's underwater Evidence
Collection team to search the lake, but spoiler alert, no
evidence was found. However, years later, they reanalyzed the flight
data and the FBI determined that their initial proposed landing

(34:41):
zone was like wildly inaccurate, and Cooper had most likely
landed somewhere over the I believe it would be pronounced
wash Shugle river washou g a l. I'm gonna say Washugle.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
That'd be my best guest too, was Shugle.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So anyway, at this point they searched the area around
this river, but again no evidence was found. But what's
kind of funny or ironic I guess is at this
point the Mount Saint Helen's volcano had erupted, and they
said if there was like any physical evidence, it probably
would have been destroyed by the volcano eruption, which is

(35:19):
just like a crazy turn of events. And all this
you said it was which mountain eruption? Mount Saint Helens?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Okay, so its fucking batsquatch batsquatches, dB Cooper. All those
sightings of that thing in the air that people couldn't get,
that was D P. Cooper. He was coming out of
the sky. The whole batsquatch phenomenon DV. Cooper are the
same thing. He is a human cryptid. We've confirmed it
right in the volcano. We've confirmed it DV Cooper and Batsquatch.
Same fucking guy. It's the same fucking guy.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Confirm it confirmed. You know, in all the theories I
came across, I didn't see that one.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Hey man. I mean, in old fairness though, talking from
like a logical standpoint, all the weird photos of the
batsquatch are like this thing just kind of zipping by
in the sky, right, So if this was at essentially
almost that same moment, like what if something happened with
the parachute and those weird shots at Batsquatch were actually
like dB Cooper barreling down from the sky about to
just get embedded twenty feet into the fucking ground.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
That's good. Somebody should look into that.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I mean, there might be something there, just saying all right.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So, at the time of the hijacking, the FBI did
like a nationwide search, and they found out that like
no missing persons reports for a man that matched dB
Cooper's description were filed in like the weeks before or
after the hijacking.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Because he was one of theirs.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Well yeah, so obviously this wasn't a guy that like
his family was missing him, you know. And you know
this also obviously received like widespread media attention, and in
the midst of all this kind of media frenzy, there
was a reporter for the Oregon Journal and his name
was James Long, and he incorrect referred to the hijacker

(37:02):
as dB Cooper rather than Dan Cooper, which was the
name he gave when he was buying his ticket.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Which is clearly a fake name, because why the hell
would you give your real name, especially if you don't
take the note you do all these precise things, Why
the fuck would you use your real name. It was
definitely what we're going to.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Get into that too in just a second. But anyway,
this guy's report was like republished by several other media outlets,
and the incorrect name just kind of stuck, and it's become,
you know, a really integral part of this whole case.
And it almost makes me wonder, you know, dB Cooper,
that's just fun to say. It sounds mysterious, sounds cool,

(37:39):
Like how much of the notoriety for this case is
based off of that one simple mistake? I mean, just
Dan Cooper. It just doesn't have the same aura of
like mystery and you know, suave nineteen sixties espionage around it.
You know what I'm saying, Dan Cooper just sounds like
somebody you'd have a beer at with it at your
local bar. Doesn't sound like any which again maybe that

(38:01):
was maybe that his plan in the first place, because again,
you're not trying to draw attention to yourself, you're wearing
this like generic suit. It would make sense you pick
just a generic sounding name like Dan Cooper, like it
doesn't stick out. It's just blah blah. It's not it's generic.
But it's not like he shows John Smith. You know,
it's not like that's so generic that it sounds fake,
but it's like generic enough that.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
It's not memorable exactly. Like I said, it's intricate thinking
man like this guy knew what he was doing and
whatever the backstory is, whether he was doing it for
himself or he was doing it for somebody else, like
this guy one and fifty percent full Well came onto
this plane knowing every single facet of this plan that
he was gonna do.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, I mean, I largely agree with you, and we're
gonna get into more of this stuff here in just
a second.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I will say I thought it always is nice though,
to hear about somebody that does some type of robbery,
and they don't do it stupidly. Like I am entertained
by hearing people that pull things off with every single
intricate detail, because I don't know about you, du but
you'll hear about the stores a bank robbers and you're
just like, well, if you would have done it smarter,
maybe you wouldn't have gotten caught. So it's always nice
to hear about Like once in a great blue moon

(39:07):
you get this person that actually, like, did it correctly,
and you're just like, damn, that's like a Robin Hood
right there.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Well, I mean the first in the middle part are amazing,
but I mean he might could have done a little
better on the back end, but we'll get to that
in just a second.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Or did he pull it off exactly how he was
supposed to, Because I.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Don't think so, and I'll tell you why in just
a second. Hold that thought. We'll be back in a flash.

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Speaker 3 (40:03):
And now back for the show. So on February tenth
of nineteen eighty, so like almost nine years after the hijacking,
there was a couple named Harold and Patricia Ingram, and
they took their eight year old son, Brian, on a
camping trip and they were camping on the banks of
the Columbia River near Vancouver, Washington. And this is noteworthy

(40:29):
because the was Shugle River is a tributary of the
Columbia River. And while collecting firewood, the little boy, Brian,
he discovered three stacks of twenty dollars bills. It totaled
like five eight hundred dollars and they were buried like
just below the surface of the sand. And by buried,

(40:49):
I don't mean like somebody had dug a hole and
obviously like placed these and covered it up. It was
like they had just washed ashore by you know, the tide,
and then been covered up by the sand. But anyway,
the Ebrams notified the FBI, and they confirmed that the
serial numbers on the bills matched those of the dB

(41:10):
Cooper ransom money, and the following day the FBI dug
up the entire area where Brian discovered this cash, but
again spoiler alert, no further evidence was found. But this
did kind of renew public interest in the case and
led to a lot of new theories being proposed.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't
according to plan, because again, if this guy was strategically
thought out, I mean, wouldn't it not be a good
idea to drop some random bills in a certain area,
because then everybody's focused over here. You can disappear over
there if you leave a substantial amount, not just like
twenty bucks, but you leave like five grand, because clearly
five grand out of two hundred thousand isn't shit. It's

(41:50):
a substantial enough amount that people are like, all right,
there might be something in this area. So that could again,
could be part of the plan to draw attention to
this area while he's getting the fuck out of Dodge,
because they're like, all right, he's got to be in
this area if there's five grand, because that's you know,
not something that somebody would normally leave, like that's that's
a well thought out plan. If he actually I feel
like there's a there's a possibility that he did that
on purpose, because why would you not leave fake clues

(42:13):
somewhere so that you can escape somewhere else and keep
people's focus over here.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
No, I definitely think that's a good point. Uh So
this I didn't put in the notes, but I'm glad
you brought this up because it reminded me of it,
and I think it's you know, appropriate to talk about
it here. So you know, some things about this case
just seem like it wasn't only about the money for him.
One of the flight attendants said that, you know, while

(42:38):
they were waiting for the passengers to come off the
plane and it was being refueled and that whole process,
she was just kind of like trying to break the
tension with Cooper and she joked with him like, uh, hey,
can I have some of that money? And he like
handed her one of the stacks of bills. He was like, yeah,
here you go. So, I mean, if you were just
trying to get all the money you could out of this.

(43:01):
That seems like an odd thing to do, so, uh,
you know, it kind of gets back to what was
really this guy's motivation.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Or even on the flip side, I mean, all right,
so say you have somebody that you care about a
lot and they need some type of procedure or something
like that. Right, your goal is I need this much money,
but you're take into consideration. You know, if I'm jumping
out of a plane, if I'm doing this, I'm doing that,
I'm gonna be losing some of it. So if he says,
all right, I need a hundred thousand, but I'm gonna

(43:28):
ask for two hundred thousand, then anything else above that
one hundred thousand is just who fucking cares? Like this
was the intended amount, But it would make sense to
do that too strategically because again, if they're like, all right,
this guy was specifically wanted to take this much money,
they're gonna start looking in the area for like a
surgery that costs this much money. This to cost this
much money, They're gonna look for that sat amount of money.
So if you throw them off with it and say

(43:48):
I need two hundred thousand, but you need a hundred thousand,
they're gonna be looking for the two hundred, They're not
gonna notice one hundred thousand somewhere else, So again killing
part of that plan too.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, like we said at the beginning, you know, this
is the equivalent of like one point six million dollars
in today's money. So if he was, you know, trying
to do all this to get money for a specific purpose,
that's a lot of fucking money. Like, there's nothing that
you couldn't do with that. So, like you said, if
it was, you know, his wife needed a surgery or

(44:16):
something like that, he could have lost half the money
and they still would have had theoretically more than enough
for whatever they quote unquote needed it for.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Which would also, if that is a possibility, explain why
nobody marked him as a missing person, because if his
wife knew that he was going to do something like this,
why would you put a flag? You just keep your
fucking mouth shut if the guy never shows back up
or you get the surgery. If he does show back up,
so I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
And he'll becomes stumbling home with a knapsack full of cash.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean, if he had a purpose behind it, it
would make sense that the family wouldn't if the family
knew about it or knew whatever the purpose was for
this money. Again, why would you report it? That's putting
a bulls eye even right on your head or you're
gonna get interrogated now, and why you know that information?

Speaker 3 (44:53):
And I think that is a perfect segue into theories.
Ooh baby, all right, So kind of like we said,
you could do an entire fucking podcast, entire season of
television and entire whatever just about theories about this case.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
We should make a TV show about that where we
spend twenty seasons only finding like a dollar bill, you know,
like a few other shows out there to.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Be finding Bigfoot. But the dB Cooper version.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Of that, it's gonna be the Curs of Oak Island,
but DV Cooper version. Either way, We've been spent We've
been out here for ten years and we found one
dollar bill, so that means that this must be the location.
So we're gonna stay here and we're gonna keep looking.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Definitely. So like I said, I mean, we could go
for hours about theories. And you know, the different people
that the FBI proposed could be dB Cooper. I mean
at the last number I saw the FBI had proposed
over one thousand suspects throughout the years, so I just

(45:54):
picked like three suspects slash theories that I thought were
kind of fun and interesting. So one of the most funny, compelling,
interesting ones I ran across was a man named Richard
Floyd McCoy, junior. And on April seventh of nineteen seventy two,
so you know, just a few months after the dB

(46:14):
Cooper hijacking, McCoy boarded a United Airlines flight. It was
a flight number eight five five, and he boarded it
in Denver, Colorado. Interestingly, this was also a Boeing seven
to twenty seven, and after takeoff, McCoy hijacked the plane
using quote, an unloaded handgun and a fake grenade which

(46:37):
was actually a paper weight.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Sounds like a copycat.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
That's what I think too, But we're going to get there,
so this is kind of interesting. McCoy demanded four parachutes
sam as Cooper, but five hundred thousand dollars. He bucked
up a shitload of money. So the plane landed in
San Francisco and the parachutes and cap were delivered to McCoy.

(47:02):
So all this, you know, very very similar basically the
exact same thing as the dB Cooper case up to
this point. So the plane took off and while they
were flying over Provo Utah, McCoy lowered the lower staircase
and jumped out of the plane.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Buck that shit.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I'm mount I was for two days until he was apprehended,
and then he was taken a trial and sentenced to
forty five years in prison. And he was serving his
term at a prison in Louisbourg, Pennsylvania. However, and this
is where things get batshit crazy. In nineteen seventy four,

(47:42):
he escaped prison by quote crashing a garbage truck through
the penitentiary's main gate.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
How how how did an inmate get in a garbage truck?
Serious question?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Don't know. I guess he was on garbe duty. How
that's only the first part of the craziness.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Though, Oh my god, this guy's known for hijacking. Let's
go let him be around the truck.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
So three months later they found this guy in Virginia
Beach and he was then killed in a shootout with
the FBI. Like, how do we not have a movie
about this guy? Like everybody knows about dB Cooper, but
nobody knows about this fucking thing, which is like the
craziest story I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Again another FBI connection to this stuff. I mean, I
don't know, man, I definitely am seeing the possibility that,
you know, you gotta take into consideration the conspiracy to
try to you know, strip away freedoms on an airplane,
because I mean, of course, like this happens once, whether
it actually happened from a person or it happened from whatever.
But at that point, now you have the ability to

(48:47):
be able to track everybody wherever they're going.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Let's pump the brakes on that we're gonna get there,
all right, So.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I prematurely theorized my apologies, put back in your pants shitting.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So despite all these like obvious similarities, the FBI ultimately
like dismissed McCoy as a suspect in the dB Cooper hijacking.
And this was mostly due to the fact that McCoy
was only twenty eight years old at the time, and
everybody said DBI Cooper appeared to be like in his
mid forties. And this guy also had an alibi for

(49:22):
Thanksgiving Day, which again was like the day after the
dB Cooper hijacking. So unless this guy was like really
getting after it and got back to Utah for family
Thanksgiving dinner. Obviously it wasn't the same guy. So, like
you said, this definitely just seems like a copycat to me.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I mean, you see somebody get away with that shit.
Of course, if you see somebody get away and disappear
off a plan with two hundred thousand dollars, dude, you
have to expect that there is going to be at
least one person that thinks that they could probably pull
off the same thing.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Well, and he basically did, you know. I mean, if
he hadn't a jumped like out in the middle of
a fucking desert pretty much, I mean, he mind have
got away with it because it obviously survived the jump.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
You gotta skip into some trees. Man, did they ask
like I'm assuming they probably did back in the seventies,
they could have just flew a fucking helicopter over there, though.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, they did all that kind of stuff, like they
thermo searched with helicopters and they never saw any trace
of anything.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Were they using Where was thermotechnology like used back then
on like planes and stuff, or were like helicopters like.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I feel like maybe like very rudimentary versions of it, because, uh,
do you remember when we were doing like our National
Parks episode and we were talking about the Dennis Martin disappearance. Yeah, yeah,
So I think they used some sort of very primitive
thermal imaging to try to search for him, and that was,
you know, around this same time period. So I think
there's like some version of that, but I mean, I

(50:49):
don't know the extent.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So from what I'm reading on this article, it says
by the mid nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, many search
and rescue units had integrated thermotech, but it wasn't in
regular use on helicopters until about the eighties, So this
was just before they were putting thermo in plane. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna guess that it's not like they
had some type of advanced military technology they were using

(51:13):
on this shit. So they probably had no thermo. So
if thermo was a thing, Dude, dB Cooper, there's probably
a good possibility they would have caught his ass or
not or not. If they or if they weren't even
supposed to catch him in the first place, maybe they
did catch him. Maybe they did catch him, and they
were like, all right, we got to move you to
the next location now because this is kind of hot
over here.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
He's like underground at Area fifty one or something.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, he's just hanging out with the Grays and you know,
Bob Lazaar and all that shit. They're like, what did
you do to get here? He's like, I'm fucking dB Cooper. No, wait, no, no,
you know what he actually said was no, dB Cooper,
Like nobody asked you, bro, Like nobody even brought up
the context. And he's just that's what he says. He
just walked around saying that.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Man, that definitely means that he is. All right, guys,
we gotta take another break. We'll be right back, and
now we're getting back.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
To the bazaar. All right.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
So there's this other guy and his name is William Smith.
And this guy served in the US Navy and he
was on a combat air crew and after he was discharged,
he got a job with the Lehigh Valley Railroad. But
he ended up losing his job and his pension due
to the bankruptcy of the Penn Central Transportation Company, which

(52:34):
was like the conglomerate that owned the railroad. And it's
been said that, you know, after losing his pension and
his job, Smith could have quote created a grudge against
the corporate establishment and transportation field. I've never heard of
somebody having a specific grudge against the transportation field, but anyway,
that's what's been suggested quote as well as a sudden

(52:58):
need for money. So this is kind of going back
to what you were talking about earlier in the episode.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I mean, I want to read this guy's manifest because
I mean, look at like the unibomber for example. This
dude just had it out for anybody in tech. Like
people just get fixated on something and then they just
will start building up just hatred for this one specific thing.
So I mean, as ridiculous as it sounds, man like,
who knows how everybody's brain works, Like this guy could
have built this shit up and just blew up over

(53:23):
this fucking train thing because he just hyper fixated on
like one certain thing that pissed him off.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Well yeah, I mean, if you work your whole life
thinking that you know you're gonna be able to retire
and get this cushy pension from serving your country and
working on the railroad, and then you know, all that's
gone in the blink of an eye. I mean, I
can see how that would drive somebody to do some
questionable things.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, Like we're mentioning earlier with the killdozer thing, Man,
that's something we got to hit at some point just because. Yeah,
I know, it's not typically like a encryptid story or anything,
but it's definitely like an interesting story. You know, Like
I don't know if you've ever dived into that, dude,
it's fast. Not really You've seen the videos and stuff
of that though, right.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I mean I like vaguely know about it, but no details.
So yeah, something you do in the future, you could
teach me about it.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
This year, dude spent like a year of his time
just like hiding in his garage, like getting pieces of
like metal and all this shit, and just made this
fucking tank out of a fucking bulldozer. And it got
to the point and I'm not gonna ruin the full
story to get into all the full details, but like
the cops can get him out of it. They basically
just had to sit and wait until he ran out
and decided to come out on his own. Like he
built that thing up, dude.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
It sounds like the kind of like parade float tank
thing at the end of Animal House.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That's what we're gonna have to bring in next year
to the nine Rouge parade. We're gonna have to bring
in a giant kill dozer. Not actually use it, but
you know, just the principle of the idea.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And side note, a rock could be riding on the
top of it.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yes, killed kid Rock on a kill dozer with the
nine Rouge. Update on that, By the way, I did
look into it, and unfortunately it happened back in March.
So I'm gonna have to wait till next year, and
then I'll give you guys an update on the March
day nine Rouge.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Oh only ten months to goo.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, you guys got to wait a year. I'm sorry.
I'll give you guys full live details of everything going on,
and I'll give you guys a full report on every
five minutes and whether or not I have fouled the
nine routes or not. So it'll be fun you you
guys said, I'll wait ten months.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Eagerly anticipating. So it's also been suggested that this guy,
William Smith, his aviation experience could have allowed him to
actually survive the jump. And that quote his railroad experience
would have helped him find railroad tracks and hop on
a train to escape the area after the landing. That

(55:33):
seems like a little bit of a stretch to me,
but I just threw it in there because it was
in some of the research I did. Furthermore, Smith would
have been forty three years old at the time of
the dB Cooper hijacking, so he fits the you know,
general age range, and he also bears like a striking
resemblance to the composite photos. So Shane, if you just

(55:55):
want to google like William Smith dB Cooper, it'll pop up.
It's definitely worth looking up because you know, I looked
at a lot of these different suspects and due to
this guy's story and the picture, I thought this was
probably one of the most compelling ones.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Well, here you go, and I definitely agree with you
on that one. You have to say a haircut.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
There, Yeah, where he's wearing the sweater like, it's a
striking resemblance.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
I mean, in all fairness though, the guy. I feel like,
if this is dB Cooper, I mean it kind of
goes into can go either way. If you were dB Cooper,
you definitely have to change up the haircut and change
up your look. But on the other side, maybe they
would expect that you would do that. So the best
course of action is to not change anything at all.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And all you got to do is say I'm not
dB Cooper.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, all you gotta keep no DV Cooper. That just
he just walks around saying that everybody thinks he's a
crazy old man. He doesn't say any phrase besides that.
That is it. That's all he says.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
But he doesn't look like a crazy old man at all.
He's wearing like a moose sweater and sitting on a
very nice deck here, Like, this guy looks like he's
living the dream.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
How did you get that nice deck? How are you
living the dream? Could it be twenty thousand dollars US currency?
Possibly what looks like a pretty nice moose sweater? Yeah,
one hundred and ninety five thousand. You gotta remember that
five grand was found, So one hundred ninety five thousand
dollars sweater right there.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
He's so over had over a million dollars. But uh anyway,
so uh this is also really interesting. Somebody like found
this guy's high school yearbook and allegedly one of his
high school classmates was a student named Ira Daniel Cooper,

(57:34):
and so obviously people have suggested that this could have
been where he found the name. So I didn't find
anything like super specific about that. It was just something
that people have kind of reported on.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I don't think I had any of the yearbook pictures, but
I was trying. I'm trying my.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Best, say nineteen fifty five, he was probably older than that.
If he was like forty.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
In I think that's just giving me random yearbook pictures.
I don't think any of them are actually dB Cooper stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
There's probably a lot of William Smith dB Cooper yearbook
stuff floating around Google. But anyway, so moving on to
the last kind of theory that we're going to talk
about today. This was suggested by an FBI agent named
Larry Carr, and he theorized that Cooper could have been

(58:22):
of French Canadian descent. And this is due to the
fact that when he was making his list of demands,
he specifically asked for negotiable American currency, which I said
would come back up. And he kind of suggested that
this is a really odd phrasing for somebody who was
an American in English was their native language, and then

(58:44):
he went on to say that Dan Cooper was the
name of a French comic book character who just so
happened to be a fighter pilot in the Royal Canadian
Air Force, and at the time of the hijacking, the
comic had been like anthologize in a French magazine called
ten Tin, but at that point in time it had

(59:04):
not been translated into English. So he said, because of
you know, these strange connections and Cooper's obvious familiarity with
the Boeing seven twenty seven, he theorized that Cooper had
previously served in the air force of some country and
that he was stationed in Europe. Kind of a caveat

(59:26):
to that, though, is the flight attendants Florence Schaffner and
Tina Mucklow stated that Cooper had like no discernible accent
and they assumed he was just like from the Midwest, or.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Was he an agent that could do multiple accents, because
I mean, even on the flip side, man, if you
were military special program like, it doesn't seem like I
got a question that you'd be able to possibly hide
your accent, because that would be like a top thing
that you'd have to do is be able to hide
your accent who you are if you're working any type
of special program, special project, anything like that. I mean,
and especially if you're getting picked to possibly do some

(01:00:00):
hijacking shit like this, Bro, this is like a James
Bond type bro. You know, he can do a million
different types of voices.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I mean he was dB Cooper International, Man of Mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Dude. Like, fucking if all of these English actors can
do American accents and people are like, oh, that's not
your real voice to like their English accent, Like why
why does it seem so out of question that somebody
that is this intelligent would be able to hide their accent.
I mean that doesn't seem out of question for me.
I mean it definitely seems like a possibility, you know, which.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Is a good segue again into miscellaneous and conclusions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I'm assuming this is a break.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
All right, So kind of wrapping up, the hijacking of
Northwest Orient Airlines Flight three h five remains quote the
only documented unsolved case of air piracy in the history
of commercial aviation, which is pretty wild when you think
about it. I mean, we've had commercial airplanes for you know,
eighty years or whatever at this point and this is

(01:00:59):
the only one that they haven't solved. That's pretty crazy
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
What's the I don't know if you looked into it,
but like, what's the track record of like hijackings previous
to this, Like was it was there hijackings previous they frequent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Like yes, So I didn't put this in the notes
because it was kind of superfluous. But something I came
across was, you know, at this time, like in the
sixties and seventies, there was a rash of hijackings. And
this was when like you know, the Cuban missile crisis
and all that, in Cuba and the United States were

(01:01:33):
kind of at odds with each other. So these people,
either for monetary gain or to you know, escape the
government or whatever, would hijack planes and force them to
fly to Cuba because once they got to Cuba, they
could not be extradited back to the United States. So, like,
hijackings were rampant in like the mid to late sixties,

(01:01:55):
early seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
See, I think that plays in a crucial component to
this because then it's like, why would they stage hijacking
so that they'd have to, you'd have to give more information.
You have to see the idea you have see all
of this stuff. That makes sense then that they might
stage a hijacking after that so that they can start
trying to make a tighter grip on all this stuff.
So like just hearing that, I think it's a key
component because it plays into like the possibility of why

(01:02:16):
do this even happened in the first place, and why
Also he was the only one ever caught is because
he was deploy to get the ball rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
So I'm gonna just put a pin in that for
just a second.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I should just get that as a button for you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
So on July eighth of twenty sixteen, the FBI closed
the active investigation of the dB Cooper hijacking. So that
was like forty five years after it happened. And like
you said, the hijacking and like all the ensuing media
hooplaw led to several notable changes to airport security and

(01:02:54):
the aviation industry as a whole. Prior to the hijacking,
official identify cation was not required for a domestic flight,
which is just wild to think about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Which also throws into why you would throw a name
like Dan Cooper just to be like, look how easy
it is to give a fucking fake name.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
There is also no baggage checks or no metal detectors
at that time, but following the hijacking, the Federal Aviation
Administration mandated that all carry on bags were supposed to
be searched and all passengers were supposed to go through
like metal detectors prior to boarding a plane. So after this,
I mean, hijackings plummeted. If you couldn't you know, sneak

(01:03:34):
bombs and guns and shit on airplanes, you don't have
anything to really hijack it with. Like people tried it
after this, but you know, they got apprehended by the
flight crew and passengers and things of that nature. So
this is basically the end until another thing that happened
and that we're going to talk about in just a second.
This is basically the end of commercial hijackings, you know,

(01:03:56):
being like this rampant thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Oh wait, you can make a bomb out of out
of mouthwash. Well, now you're not allowed to have more
than an ounce of mouthwash on a plane. Also, we'll
just throw that one to the list.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Too, So this is kind of funny. One of the
other changes that this incited was after this all Boeing
seven to twenty seven's were retro fitted with a device
that kept the rear staircase from being deployed during flight.
And they nicknamed this thing the Cooper Van, which I
think is kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
You should have called it the Anti Cooper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So the FBI speculates that Cooper did not survive the jump,
and you know, Okham's razor, that's probably like the most
likely outcome. And the reason for this is, you know,
obviously it's very possible that he just died either during
the jump or the landing or shortly thereafter due to

(01:04:50):
injuries that he has sustained, or just to the elements,
because as we kind of talked about earlier, the weather
conditions that night were like extremely rough. It was like
twenty degrees outside with a windshill of only eight degrees.
The plane was traveling at like two hundred miles an
hour when Cooper jumped, and as we said, he was

(01:05:11):
only wearing a thin business suit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Furthermore, that we know of, he could have had some
kind of suit on underneath it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
He could have well, he could have had something. And
I mentioned that is a strange detail that we probably
just glossed over. You probably didn't even notice at the
very beginning. When he got on the plane, he had
his briefcase which had the bomb in it, and he
had a brown paper bag with him, and nobody ever
saw what was in the brown paper bag. So people

(01:05:41):
have suggested that he had like goggles and gloves and
things to help him with the jump in this brown
paper bag. But like I said, nobody knows what was
actually in there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I mean, I will say at least about the weather
conditions and stuff though, that all right, your ex military,
you're used to doing these jumps from these planes. I
mean rainy weather, cold weather, that's nothing compared to a
war zone. Dude. Like if you're used to dropping into
a place where there's gunfire, there's people trying to shoot
you out of the sky, there's planes fucking flying by.
You know, we hit the ground, there's people shooting you
from the ground. Like, I think these are great conditions

(01:06:12):
versus jumping in military conditions. So I mean, like, it's
definitely possible that the guy died. I'm not going to
deny the fact that it's definitely a possibility. But on
the flip side. If this guy does have military background,
you have to consider that his jumping abilities are going
to be significantly higher than others, and the places that
he would have been used to jumping if he was
ex military, would be a lot more dangerous than just

(01:06:32):
a cold weather condition.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I agree with that in theory. The thing I'll point
out is basically, when this guy jumped, he had very
little idea, Like he had a general idea, but he
didn't really know where he was where he was jumping
out over I can tell you where he.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Was corner a bumfucking you gotta hurd y mouth exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
So like this guy was in the middle of no where.
Basically he had no way of knowing where he was jumping. So,
you know, even if he did survive the jump getting
to some sort of you know, civilization, or even if
he had like an extraction point lined up, that would
have been a whole another fiasco that this guy had

(01:07:20):
to do. And you know, say it takes him a
day to get out of whatever wilderness he jumped in.
If he survived, this is gonna be all over the news.
You know, if he survived it and got to some
sort of civilization, somebody, Oh, here's this guy coming out
of the fucking woods with a parachute in a bag
of cash. That's obviously that guy from the news last night.

(01:07:41):
So just a strange detail. I think I'm kind of
Devil's advocating myself here, But yeah, there's just a lot
of weird things about this case. One of which is
people have pointed out that he chose to wear the
back parachute while he destroyed one of the front page parachutes.

(01:08:01):
And this back parachute was a military model and it
was intended only for emergency situations, and this particular parachute
did not have the ability to be steered, and they
said that, you know, one of the front parachutes was
this more like recreational skydiving type model, and it would
have been much better suited to this situation. So this

(01:08:24):
has led some people speculate that while you know, he
seemed really familiar with the airplane, he might not have
been a super experienced skydiver.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
What if he didn't intend to make it through this.
What if this was like his last run, that he
was trying to have somebody else grab the bag, So
the intention was never that he made it down but
rather that the money made it downsafe. Like even on
the flip side, what if, like I talked about earlier
about like what if there's something wrong with this way
or whatever? What if there was something wrong with him

(01:08:55):
and he was just trying to set up his family
because he knew it wasn't going to be around anymore,
Like he did not intend to make it through this,
but he wanted to leave his family something, so they
came back and got it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Or I definitely think things of that nature are a possibility. Conversely, no,
excuse me, none of the money, other than like the
fifty eight hundred dollars that was found by Brian Ingram
in nineteen eighty was ever found. None of it was
ever reported as being spent. So I mean that leads

(01:09:27):
me to believe that for whatever reason, whether he died
or this was all a massive sigh op, the money
never got spent. Or and if he went to another country,
would that country have reported that money, Like theoretically you
go into the idea that he may have been from Canada.
If you would have went into Canada and just converted
money in small portions at a time with like it's

(01:09:48):
a different government system, would they have been like tracking
that money like that, or would they have just converted
it to Canadian bills and called it today? And you know,
this is the Pacific Northwest, it's pretty close to Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I mean where exactly did he drop that? Did he
drop in one of those states where it borders Canada
where he.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Couldn't even take it as Washington State.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Yes, we could have even taken off into Canada. And
the reason why he was never found in the money
was never found is because it ended up in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I mean, that's definitely a possibility and leads into something
we've basically been talking about the whole show, but was
gonna be kind of my stinger at the end. Here,
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Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
And now we're getting back to the bazaar. Is it
possible that he was actually some sort of government operative,
like a Lee Harvey Oswald type situation. And I almost wonder,
you know, is this an mk ultra thing, because you know,
like all those guys that they talk about doing these
assassinations and all this, like covert government false flag type shit,

(01:11:11):
a lot of them have like mk ultra ties. So
I'm curious if we you know, obviously we don't know
who the fuck this guy was, but if we ever
find out who he is, it wouldn't surprise me if
it turned out he had some sort of ties to
mk Ultra.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I mean, I can tell you who he isn't No,
that's what he's been saying. And we've also kind of
touched on this. But the theory I like a lot
is that he was some sort of government operative. And
this kind of gets to nine to eleven conspiracy conspiracy theories.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I'm doing finger quotes here about like Patriot Act type
shit and like the government causing the problem so they
can implement the solution, which is basically kind of what
you've been.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
In air quotations, bro. Like that's like, there's it's gotten
to this weird point too, where it's just like it's
almost like the Euri bezmanof thing that it doesn't matter
like if you if you controlled the predict the programming
for so long, if you start slapping people with facts,
they aren't gonna believe it in anyways. So it's like
you spent years just bombarding this whole idea about like

(01:12:16):
nine to eleven, nine to eleven, and then even if
you start releasing truth, which there's been a lot of
weird stuff released, like again the Beams, and you know,
I can just run through the fucking list. It could
be like ten hour episode. But we've gotten to a
point now where I feel like people have become so
detense desensitized to nine to eleven that as little pieces
of information get released, people aren't even gonna like the conspiracy.
Theoris are gonna look at it and they're gonna, you know,

(01:12:37):
be like, all right, this is exactly what this is.
But the people that they're trying to convince that this
was all conspiracy, like, they're never gonna believe it anyways.
Like so it's you know, it's irrelevant, Like we're gonna
get to a point where they're gonna completely like release
these documents eventually maybe you know, after seventy years, whatever
the fuck, and it's like people still aren't gonna believe
it even then, you know, like it's gonna be one
of those things. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
No, I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent.
I'm obsessed with like nine to eleven conspiracy theories. So
I don't want to derail us.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Yeah, I don't want to open up that can of worms.
But there's just like fucking osamviin Laden being trained by
the fucking US government. Like there's just so many weird,
like undeniable pieces, like oh, the fucking guys that supposed
to hijack the plane, their passports were found a couple
of streets over with not even a singe of burnmark, scratch,
nothing on them. Like, there's just too many weird pieces.
And again, I'll open up this whole can of worms

(01:13:25):
and I'll start ranting about this shit for like an hour. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything because I don't want
to tangent us further.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
But that was like my first big conspiracy in no fairness.
So it's like you know that one you always hold
really true to your heart, and you'll sit there and
argue with people about it forever. Yeah, Like that's that's mine.
That's like my main one that got me into like,
all right, the government's lying to us because I remember
in two thousand and one, dude. I don't know why
I wasn't at school, but I was at the mall
with my mom's boyfriend at the time, and all the
TV's turned on at the mall, dude, and I remember

(01:13:52):
watching that shit on TV, and as I got older,
I'm like, all right, that was weird, started diving into it, dude,
and it just all spiraled from there and here I
am now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Done, done, done, done, done Dune. So okay, kind of
wrapping things up. I mean, we've talked about a lot
of this throughout the episode, but yeah, I think, you
know Olkham's razor is this guy just died. I think
my favorite kind of theory is the you know MK

(01:14:23):
ultra government operative, uh, you know, implementing the problem to
give you the solution. That's my favorite theory. Sounds like
it's your favorite one as well. And then, like we said,
there's always the possibility that you know, this guy just
wanted to kind of unlive himself in style for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I like the Rosiny theory a little bit. You know,
it's always nice to kind of have those like folk
heroes every once in a while that the government's at to.
But everybody sees him as like, yeah, I'm glad that
guy got away, you know, just because he didn't hurt anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Something kind of interesting that I'll just throw in here.
You know, in light of all the recent controvert and
whatnot with Boeing, there is a theory that whoever dB
Cooper was was a Boeing employee. And this goes back to,
you know, his familiarity with the model of airplane and
also when they were analyzing the necktie that he left

(01:15:15):
on the plane, they found quote minute particles of Alloyd
aluminum on the tie, and supposedly, at the time, like
very few industries used this particular type of Alloyd titanium,
and one of them was Boeing factory. So you know,
people have suggested that this could mean that he worked

(01:15:37):
for Boeing, which opens up a whole new can of worms.
But anyway, so rounding everything out, like you said, in
the year since this, DBI Cooper has become just this
massive cult icon, especially in the Pacific Northwest been you know,
countless books, movies, television shows, podcasts, you name it, you
can find dB Cooper stuff about it. Like we talked about.

(01:15:59):
The first play I learned about this was the two
thousand and four movie Without a Paddle, which I think
you have some soundbites from.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yes, I grabbed a couple of them. Actually, I particularly
had to get those ones because where else are you
gonna find somebody saying DP Cooper, you know, like in
an old fairness Dude. That is one of those forgotten
favorite movies though, because it is a solid, funny ass comedy.
That is one of those ones that just kind of
got lost in time unless you know what it is.
But the sequels fucking garbage. But the first one great movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Yeah, So if all you listeners out there, you know,
haven't watched that movie, go check it out. It's a
good movie on its own merit, and the whole dB
Cooper part's really fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Where else do you get guys adventuring through the woods
looking for treasure while also having run ins with Harry
hot hippie chicks and some crazy but fucking weed grown hillbillies.
It's it's great, Yeah, it's a great family film and
maybe even d B. Cooper at the end, or you know,
as he says.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
No Cooper all right. And so every November in Seattle, Washington,
there's quote a multi day gathering of Cooper researchers and enthusiasts.
It's called Cooper Kahn, which I think is hilarious. And
the convention was founded by a researcher named Eric Eulis.

(01:17:15):
And this event's kind of a successor for a previous
event called dB Cooper Days. And that event ended quote
when the owner of the Aerial Store pub died and
the pub was forced to close, which that's kind of
a downer note to end on. But I'm glad that
this guy has started this new convention. I mean, you
know how much we love going to cryptid conventions. If

(01:17:38):
Seattle wasn't on the ass other side of the country,
I would love to go to this Cooper convention because
I'm just eat up with this shit. But anyway, that's
all I've got for this one. Not a cryptied, not
an alien, but like you said, a human encryptid. So
this was a fun one to do. This is a subject.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Called conspiracies, and we definitely cover a lot of conspiracies
as of recent.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
So yeah, yeah, it's a subject I've loved since, you know,
two thousand and four when that movie came out. So
is there anything that you'd like to add before we
kind of close everything out?

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
You know, what drives me crazy, but I enjoy it
at the same time, all of these mysteries that you
know that there's never gonna be a solid conclusion to
because it's like, even if you went on in these woods, dude,
you started searching more than likely, like if the body
was around, it'd be completely gone by at this point.
If there's any bills around, probably completely one with nature.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
If they didn't get wiped away by the volcan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Yeah, even if they didn't maybe even get wiped away
by the volcano or even fucking batsquatch to throw that
one back into her. But it's like, I enjoy some
of these mysteries that you can theorize about, you know,
but at the end of the day, it drives me
crazy in the back of my mind that even if
you have it right, you'll never know for sure. Like
it's kind of like the Kentucky meat shower. That's one
of those ones. It is so fucking fascinating, But it's

(01:18:54):
gotten so far away now that there's no way to
be able to actually go back and like check the air,
check this thing. It's like, it's me one of those
things that remains a mystery forever. And that's the cool
part about it. But on the flip side, as a researcher,
it drives you crazy that you'll never know this solid
answer and you could literally have been saying that one
percent correct answer, but you will never know for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
But like you said, I think that's kind of what
makes it so romantic. Like if something came out tomorrow,
I'm like, oh, dB Cooper, was this like pencil pusher
for Bowie? Like how fun is that? Like it's much
more fun him being DV Cooper International Man of mystery dude.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
You know what? Uh, I will say, the one thing
that kind of got ruined the whole crap, what's her name?
The one from the Romanov family, the daughter that disappeared, Anastasia,
the whole like Anastasia mystery of like where did she go?
Where did she disappear to? And it was just a
mystery forever. Well, I was reading some article that apparently
back in like the early two thousands, Russia apparently had

(01:19:51):
found her body inside of like the walls of like
one of the castles, so they confirmed it, knew where
she went, and they didn't actually like release it to
the general public for anybody, didn't until like twenty nineteen.
So it's like one of those things that it's just
one of those fascinating mysteries, like where did Anastasia go?
Did she take off to France? Did she end up
with her grandma? Did she do this? Did she do that?
And it was just always fun and then yeah, if
we get a solid answer in twenty nineteen, it's like, oh,

(01:20:13):
she didn't make it anywhere. She just died in the
wall the castle.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
That was that well, And I think this is a
good point to kind of bring everything home. It's like
we talk about with aliens or cryptids or anything that
we talk about on the show, a lot of this stuff,
the answers aren't that important. It's the journey that's fun,
and it's the research that's fun. And you know, I
don't really care if we ever learn who dB Cooper is.

(01:20:37):
I don't care if we ever know our aliens out there.
I don't really care if we ever find a big
foot carcass. It's just it's the journey that's fun. And
that's my words of wisdom. I'm going to leave you
on tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I will say though, if any of those things I
did want to see in front of me would definitely
be an alien, Like I need some validity for aliens,
Like I know it's not even one of those things
that it's like I believe, like I know that they
exist out there because there's just no possibility in my
mind that in this crazy fucking universe we live in,
that there isn't another form of intelligent life. Like that's
just like I know they exist out there, but it's

(01:21:11):
like I still want that confirmation at least for that one,
you know, Like I can live with the mystery of Sasquatch,
you know, all the weird little you know, encounters people
see the little blur, you know, it's stepping out in
front of some people. But the one dude that I
need some validity for before I die, just because I
know it's there, it's the fucking aliens. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Well, hey, the government's gonna tell you all about it.
They're disclosing it Project Bluebeam.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Shit. I don't trust anything the government says, dude, dude,
what what kind of crazy world do we live in?
Though that, you know, everybody can study UFOs their entire life,
and as soon as the government starts talking about it,
it's like, yeah, I don't believe shit. That's that's that
to sensitized information, dude. Because the government's gotten to a
point now and I think they did this purposefully with
the UFO phenomenon. They could literally come out tomorrow and say, yeah,

(01:21:54):
we've been working into aliens since the eighties. They've been,
you know, trickle feeding their images into movies. They've been
helping us write stuff, been doing technology, all this shit,
and everybody's gonna be like, we don't believe shit. You've
been saying, like, what are you talking about? That's bullshit?
Like they've gotten to the point where we're so insensitized
they could just literally give us the truth and just
sit back and laugh like it's it's crazy to think about, dude.
Even with the UFO community, Dude, they could literally drop

(01:22:17):
some bomb fucking information and ninety percent of the UFO
community is gonna say it's bullshitcause it came from them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
I'm in that number. Anything the government tells me I
don't believe Aliens, dB, Cooper or otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
And I don't either, which is fucking mind bending that
they're literally at that point that they could just start
dropping information and we would never know it. But that's
the whole thing about muddying the waters man. You gotta
drop five pieces of bullshit and one piece of solid info,
and then it just gets filled in with the rest
of the shit.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Filled in with the rest of the shit, just like
this program.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Well, now that we've reached this spot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Corner, bum fucking you gotta pretty mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
So thank you, but don't take my word for it.
See what I did there?

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Ah, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
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(01:24:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
And as always, all this shit is in the link
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Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
And with that, just like dB Cooper did, and just
like the mysteries of the world tend to be, always
remain and stay mysterious and bizarre, my friends, bizarre bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
dB Cooper's Batsquatch corner of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Bum fucking you guys, pretty mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
No

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
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