#117 "Creatures of Tennessee" with Harley Owens

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any one, and I looked out and there was this
big red bleeko UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.
Something's going on. They're not dogs, they're not coyotes. What
could it be?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I had an encounter with a skunk cake and it
completely altered the course of my life. I got a call,
got on building, what about sight of a UFO covering
over a farm. Billy woke up from a dream and
when I went into the bedroom, she said, there's a
monctre on the wall.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a bombed
wire fence that they were able to obtain cares. They
sent them hairs to their lab and it came back
as an online creature creatures shit boy?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
What is up?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Bizarre Rights? And welcome back to the most bizarre show
on the Internet. I am the one that five people
now called Shane Squatch, and alongside me I have the
one the only, the infamous big bad Boo Daddy Sir
or In Felix himself.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
So you're up to five people now.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, I'm building it up as I'm building up your
name as you can tell too.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
But well, Rome wasn't built in a day. We'll get
there eventually.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
We're just gonna keep expanding on it. I mean, people
like the sir or in Felix, So you have been
knighted officially by Bloodsugger actually because I gotta throw him
in there, because he's like our number one listener at
this point, so I feel like I have to give
him like a shout out almost on every episode just
because we appreciate that dude so much.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Friend of the show, who is also bestowed a title
upon me. So, I mean, we got to show them
some love.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Right, And speaking of love, we did mess up just
a little bit last week.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
No shit, we messed something up.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
As you guys can see. The next episode that came
after our one week off break was not Bizarre Inquiries.
It was actually this episode. So there's an episode in between.
So that being said, Bizarre Inquiries is next week and
or I guess you can give them the info on
that one.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Okay, So on the day this episode drops, the next
episode of Bizarre Inquiries should be tomorrow. That's Thursday, the fifth,
at seven to fifteen Eastern time. That's going to be
on the Open Minds Media YouTube channel. You guys still
have plenty of time to submit questions, articles, videos, anything
you want us to inquire about. And also, you guys

(02:46):
remember to join us in the chat. It's a lot
of fun getting to talk with you guys as we're
talking about the articles and the material. So you guys,
make sure you join in and you know, share your
two cents with us and bust our balls a little
bit if you want to, We don't care, just join
the chat.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know what's kind of funny is we always ask
people to submit clips and questions, but I think we've
gotten to the point now where we have interaction. People
come in, they watch the show, they enjoy the show,
but I think that they just like the stuff that
we find at this point. So like we've been fishing
for people to submit stuff, but I feel like they
just like it when we find our own shit, because
we find some weird, obscure shit at this point. So
you know, we're always open to the suggestion, but if

(03:21):
you guys don't send it in, and I guess we
got a thing going at this point.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
I mean, especially you with your sperm Olympics or whatever
the shit that was you found last time.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Oh, I got a mind bending one for this week,
and I also have a comedy one for this week,
so I definitely got you covered on that one. My friends.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh hey, you've just teased the entire audience.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
So hopefully you have a conspiratorial one, because that seems
to be kind of where your wheelhouse seems to fall in.
We got to cover three different bases per show.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
If I do, I'm planning on doing unless something crazy
happens in the world in the next week, it's it's
gonna be a fun one and it is kind of conspiratorial,
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, I'm excited for it. And just so everybody knows,
we don't give out the articles to each other before
we do the show, so we are completely surprised as
the show happens, and it's part of the fun of
the show. So if you're wondering why we're talking very occulttic,
it's because we honestly don't know what each other's clips
are and we're not planning on telling each other until
it's presented in front of us.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Because we end up doing the same thing at some point.
It's gonna be like two girls showing up to the
same party in the same dress. We're gonna do the
you know, kind of paranormal version of that.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
See, I just kind of quickly read the first like
word or two that you have on your article to
not have too much information. But it's just a matter
of time before the words are kind of flipped in. Yes,
that does inevitably end up happening at some point, but
we'll have a backburner at some point just in case.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well we can just say, you know, instead of who
wore better, who did it better? But anyway, here you
also have some exciting updates. The Patreon or what is
it the patreon or the discord The disc discord okay,
one of those Internet things.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
By popular demand from a lot of listeners, and particularly
Chris from Conspire Theory. He threw in this whole thing
when we did a show last week, mentioning that you know,
sometimes you just got you plant these awesome sea but
you got to let them like flourish, you gotta let
them turn into something. So for a while I had
the discord running, it seemed like it became a little
bit on active for a while, so you know me
how I do things, I ended up just nuking it

(05:09):
and now I have brought it back by popular demand
because I've had enough people asking for it. So if
anybody wants to go and check out the discord, hop
into the discord, meet with some like minded individuals, contribute
to the discord, meet some new friends, whatever you guys
want to do over there, you guys can hop in.
And if you guys want to check that out, for
whatever reason, it won't let me upload the link to

(05:31):
the link tree, So if you guys want to check
it out, make sure you guys go to Instagram and
it should be in the links. On Instagram. There also
is a post for it, and I'll make sure that
I post a new, fresh one on the page for
it so you guys can see it. But as soon
as I'm able to add that as a link, once
it hits so many followers, then I'll be able to
put that on the link tree and then it'll be
a lot easier to access. But for the time being,
link is actually down in the show description to make

(05:53):
it even quicker and easier for everybody.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
And I probably will not be in the Discord because
it's chaots and I don't like it and it doesn't
go well with my type AOCD.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So if you guys want to get up with.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Me for any reason, you can just shoot me a
message on Instagram and I'll see it at some point
in time, hopefully maybe.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
And speaking of getting up with you, I hear that
you are going to be somewhere very soon where there
might be an opportunity for people to hang out with
you and possibly even have an alligment.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
That is true, So funny enough, our guest for tonight's
episode is also going to be present at the Smoky
Mountain Bigfoot Conference in beautiful Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's the last weekend of July.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm not sure what that is, like twenty five, twenty six,
twenty seven, something like that, but anyway, so we're not
going to be vending or anything, but me and Jenny
are just going to be hanging out and going to
the show. And for any of you listeners who have
been following us for a while, you know this is
just a very thinly veiled excuse to go to the
mountains and drink moonshine and consider it like a work trip.

(06:56):
But if any of you guys out there are going
to be at the show, definitely hit a message.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
We'd love to see you guys.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
And hang out and like Shane said, drinking allotment and
maybe go to a moonshine tasting with you guys. So
definitely hit me up if you guys are gonna be
at the.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Show, and if you guys want to pick up some
awesome merchandise, so possibly even wear to that show. I
keep mentioned on the show, but I'm gonna keep saying it.
I got two brand new designs that I'm really proud of.
The first one is called Campfire Chillin' and you got
sasquatch drinking and allotment, and you have an alien sitting
there smoking a joint opening up his third eye. No
text on the design. Didn't think it was needed. Really

(07:29):
cool cartoony design. So if you guys haven't had an
opportunity to check that out, definitely check that out. And
for our more conspiratorial minded listeners, I also do have
the brand new, fixed and updated design for break the
Mind Control that has these vrionette hands with this cool
hypnotic spiral behind it. The original one for it was
a little bit too faded out. I fixed it a
little bit, So if anybody wants to check either of

(07:50):
those out, you guys can get those exclusively from the
Open Minds Media merch Store.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
And remember you guys, we've still got the live streams
going on most nights of the week. At this point,
it's either this show or Inquiries of Our Reality with Shane,
or when we have bizarre inqureies, whatever the show or
the topic might be. It's normally between seven and seven
thirty Eastern time on the Open Minds Media YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
And for another update on the Patreon, the patreon is
still under construction, and to give you guys a bit
of an update, I was going to start opening some
stuff up last week, but I had severe food poisoning
last week, so I didn't really get to anything. It
was got to the point where I dealt with the
food poisoning, and then afterwards I had the aftermath of
my entire insights hurting where I didn't even want to

(08:36):
move for a couple days, So that did get sidetracked
a week. But again, there is a bunch of new
exciting things coming and one of which I am unfortunately
waiting for Printify to give the option for it says
coming soon to be able to give exclusive discount codes.
Just a matter of time before hopefully that opens up
and that'll be available on the Patreon again, and you

(08:56):
guys will get you know, fifteen percent, twenty percent whatever
tier you happened to shoes, but for the time being,
unfortunately doesn't have that. But it's way better quality than
Tea Spring ever was, so unfortunately I had to switch
for the sake of quality for the T shirt. So
that is coming soon, and I apologize to everybody that's
been waiting around for that one.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Do better, Shane, do better.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I just I had to give it a little bit
of a cheer for myself because you ruin my self esteem,
so I had to bring it up just a hairbit.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Do we need to bring in Billy Madison again?

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Oh no, no, not Billy today. Instead we get we.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Are officially daily with a squam show.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
I can't go too crazy. And once we actually start
the episode, so you know, just so everybody knows what
we're getting into today, we are officially going to be
dealing with some goddamn Sam squench today.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
But before we do that, if anybody wants to be
a guest on the show or get up with us
for any reason whatsoever, Shane tell them how they can
do that.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
First and foremost, you guys can email us at Bizarre
Encounters at outlook dot com, or you guys can call
or text the hotline whatever's easier for you, guys. And
that number is three point three three six four one
five one, And it doesn't matter how you guys get
ahold of us, just don't forget to get ahold of us,
because we would absolutely love to hear from you guys.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
And as always, all this shit we've mentioned is in
the link tree in the show description.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Please welcome to the show for his very first appearance,
I'm Bizarre Encounters. We have sasquatch investigator and researcher Harley Owens.
How's it going today, man.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ah, buddy, I'm glad we made it happen here tonight.
And it's finally nice to meet Orrin and put a
face with the name, and you know, good to see
you as always, Shane, and look forward to sharing some
of my research and experiences and sharing some pretty recent
stuff that's been going on lately.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
So I'm super excited for that.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, thanks so much for coming on, Harley. Like we said,
it's nice to actually meet you in person and not
over the phone screen and Instagram likes and comments, and
like you said, put a face to the name, and
I've heard a lot about you, so it's a real
pleasure to have you come on tonight.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
So thank you again.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah, non problem, not problem at all, especially on such
short notice too, because we fell into a spot where
we didn't have a guest this week, so I hit
you up a couple of days ago, and luckily you
were able to set up man, So we appreciate it
even on the other side.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
And this was something that was a long time in
the making that I'm surpresident have you on Bizarren Commerce
way sooner, man, especially after the last great conversation we had.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
So right, we're making it happen here tonight. So I
for everybody has got questions, you know, put them in
a chat and we'll get an answered for you best
of my abilities. Sounds good, man.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
So obviously I'm a little familiar with you and your research,
but would you mind for our listeners who might not
be as familiar with you telling us a little bit
about yourself and how you got into all this craziness
and whatever you're willing and want to share.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, absolutely, so. Growing up, I'm born and raised here
in East Tennessee. I'm married to my wife, Gabrielle. We
have two girls, and so growing you know, if you
always heard stories of the wood burgers, mountain giants, all
this other stuff, you black panthers were the biggest thing

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for me because growing up, I was real little and
me and my dad were out busting firewood and we
heard a panther scream and Dad's like getting the house now,
He's like why. I'm like why, He said, that's a panther.
I said, okay, I'm not I'm not saying no to that.
So I went running back to the house. And so
that was that was really the only really thing that
I ever thought about was black panthers, you know, and black.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Panthers don't exist though, right.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, yeah, you tell a game warding, Yeah you tell you,
you tell a game warding that you asking if you
shoot one. Oh no, no, no, you can't shoot one.
So that's a little fishy in itself. So I remember
one time when I was little, we had about fifteen
or sixteen hogs that we were going to take to
the butcher.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
And one night, all those hogs went crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now they were screaming and squalling and carrying on and
my dad went.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Down the next morning.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Every one of those hogs were just torn as shreds
and they weren't even eat on. And so at that
time as well, my aunt's dog had went missing. So
Dad jokingly said, well, Bigfoot, Bigfoot got the hogs. Now,
these weren't little hogs. They were about two hundred and
fifty three hundred pounds. So looking back on that, and

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I remember it was either the same day or the
day after that the guys in Georgia that had apparently
shot a big Foot and it was in the freezer
chest and so.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
On and so forth.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
It was a while back when that happened, So around
that time was when our hogs met their end. So
growing on up through there, you know, I didn't Bigfoot
was the last thing on my mind. You know, I
just thought it was hunkle bull crap. You know, I
didn't know anybody that had ever seen one, so you know,
they weren't they weren't real. And then apparently finding Bigfoot

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came out past where my mom and dad live because
somebody had seen one cross the road. And so that
was really the only other time that I had heard.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
About Bigfoot growing up, and so.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
That's a great question. Why did Bigot cross the road?

Speaker 7 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good there's a good answer for that.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hold.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
On tight, guys. We'll be right back after this brief
commercial break.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
But in the meantime, don't forget to follow Bizarre Encounters
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or spark up a conversation. We love getting to know you, guys.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
And now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So, girl, I graduated high school. I didn't want to
go to Lineman's school because my dad was alignment and
that's what he wanted me to do. He wanted me
to go to line in school and be alignment. I'm like, well,
I don't want to do what you've done, Dad, I
want to do something different. He's all right wherever. So
I went to work with my parents neighbor. They had

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auction company named try to say Auction and Reality and
what we've done. We traveled all around the East coast
and we traveled to Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, South North Carolina,
North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, just anywhere and everywhere, and
we were auctioned off these saw hills. So in September
of twenty twenty, we went to a place called Palm, Virginia,

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and well, I behold, that's where I seen my first bigfoot.
And I got a photograph of that bigfoot. I recorded
some sounds that it had made Malvay because.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
I had a spectral analysis.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Done to that audio when it confirmed that there was
more than one creature making those sounds, and so that
was that was really humbled me real quick.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
I got a quick question about the sounds actually before
because I always forget to ask this question to people
that have actually like heard these sounds completely directly. Like
I've had my experiences with just like little subtle stuff,
but you've heard like the full blown like boost like
everybody hears these recordings, and with the recordings, like obviously
you don't get like the depth to it, so like
when you're actually there and you're hearing this, like how

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would you like describe like the depth of it, Like
do you feel it in your chest? Like how how
how strong and like potent is this sound? When you're
actually there in person hearing it. Not to interject, but
I've been curious.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It reverberates through you. You know, you feel, you feel real, puny,
and you know it's a prime it's a prime moal fear.
That's the best way that I can describe it. You know,
you you you stand and face to face with a bear,
you know there's somewhat of a fear there.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
But when you hear one.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Of these bigfoot, you know it's that's a whole different
ball game in itself. So you know, I managed, I
managed to get a picture of it. You know, I
recorded the sounds. I recorded three different sets of audio
that I recorded the first set the day after I've
seen the creature, and then I recorded the other two
sets the next night. And so I remember, like when

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I first heard it, I'm sitting there and I'm going
to get a pantbater sandwich a Coca cola out of
my cooler.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
I hear it a growlish grunt.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Now I grew up punting a fishing and I'm like,
that's a sound that I had never heard.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
And so I was in.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
This valley and there was two ridges on both sides
of this valley and I'm sitting here looking in the
valley all around me, and I don't see this thing,
you know, but I heard it and I heard it again,
and it was up on the high wall and it
was moving through the brush and of foliage, and I'm
sitting there and I'm looking at it, like, okay, all right,
that's the bear. That's a bear, because the owner of

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the place told me there was a bear coming into
the sawmill area and getting in the trash. And so
I'm sitting there and I'm looking and I looked down
at my sandwich and my coke, and I looked back
up and it was doing the classic peekaboo thing, you
know how you always steal, wrapping her arm around a
tree and there leaning out and looking at you. And
as soon as I seen it, I was like, oh

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my gosh, that's a big These things are real. People
aren't crazy. The only thing I knew was to take
a picture, you know, because if I try to take
a video of this thing, it would have done took off.
So I pull up the fallow inside of the picture.
I had a brand new iPhone eight plus at the time,
and it just shut off, unbeknownst to me. But I'll
get into that a little bit later, because I have
a theory on that kind of stuff. And so after that,

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you know, I'm standing there on the face off with
this thing. It's it's got the high ground, so I'm screwed.
So it eventually just turned around that walked back up
the ridge, and so I jumped.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
In the truck.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I locked the doors and I cracked the windows so
I could hear and I might, oh, my gosh, come
back on phone, come back on. It finally comes back
on and law the hall, there's a picture, and I'm
just like, oh my goodness. So I didn't get back
out of the truck for the rest of the day,
and then right at dusky dark, that's when they started hollering.
And like I said, I've had a spectral analysis done

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to the audio, and based on the tone and the
sounds that were being made, there's there's different individuals and
the vocalizations ranged from two hundred hertz all the way
up to two thousand herds, So that's well beyond the
range of any human. So and I remember the next

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day I get back out there, and so I found
the footprints of where it had came down. After I
had left into that sawmill area, and I'm a big boy,
I'm six six, and I could not do the strides
in between these tracks. So however, I don't know how
big the one I saw was. I would imagine it
was at least eight eight and a half THEO tall.
I mean, it made me feel real puny, And so

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I remember going on to that evening the day I
found the tracks, which was September twenty fourth of twenty twenty.
They were hollering again, but there were about fifteen ish
minutes apart, and they were kind of further away, but
still for them to be further away, it sounded like
they were right right up on top of me. And
so I remember leaving the next day, I went to

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a little drive in diner called Robos, and I seen
these old timers sitting there, and I'm like, Okay, if
anybody's gonna know what the hell I seen, it's going
to be these little boys. So I go sit down
with them. I strike up conversation. You know, I'm just
asking how to day. He went YadA, YadA, YadA, and
then I dropped the bomb on. I'm like, I look

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at them all, and I said, y'all ever seen or
heard anything weird in here. And they kind of looked
at each other and one of them said, well, what
did you see? And I said this. I showed them
the picture of it. I love them listen to the sounds.
And I showed them the footprints, and now got quiet
and into one other one said, well, those are the
devil monkeys. And I said devil monkeys, because that was
engraved itself in my head. I'm like, devil monkeys. I've

(20:43):
never heard of the devil monkey. And I'm like, so
that's a big foot. They're like, yeah, devil monkeys, wood boogers,
mountain giants, asquatch. Yeah, we it's all the same thing.
And I'm like, all right, that's all the validation I
need and so little. And I know that when I
would get home, Oh, I told everybody. I told my family,
I told my friends. You know, I told everything, and

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boy did I turn into the crazy person. And I
never shut it out. I never told anybody after that.
For three years, I stopped hunting and fishing, and it
took a toll on me. I didn't go hunting and fishing,
and I loved hunting and fishing, and so August of

(21:27):
twenty three, I started opening up telling my story, and
you know, I enjoyed sharing my story and getting it
out there. And then it got to the point of,
like I need to get back in the woods. Well,
Thanksgiving of twenty twenty three, I decided to go back
there hunt and so I'm I'm I'm paranoid at this

(21:48):
point when I'm going into the woods. You know, it's
dark and I'm just sitting here and I'm like, man,
am I really doing this? And it's like, yeah, I am.
So I overcome what I thought was a fear of
the big and I've seence learned there's a lot of
other crazy shit to fear besides the Bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
So, uh, it's funny when you get in this stuff,
it's like Bigfoot is your entry level in and then
you feel crazy talking about Bigfoot. But once you get in,
it's like Bigfoot's like in the beginning, like that's like
the minimum of like what you end up getting into
talking about where it's like, it's so weird how you
just completely become desensitized to this stuff. Once you actually
get into it, you.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Know, absolutely correct and you can't upset it any better.
So December seventh, I started doing the research. You know,
I didn't have any clue what I was doing, and
I looked up Bigfoot research at East n I see,
because I didn't know what that crap I was doing,
I needed somebody to learn from, and lo and behold,
Scott Carpenter's name had pulled up. But unfortunately he passed

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away in August of twenty three. So I'm kicking myself
in the ass because I wish I started doing it
sooner so I could have actually learned from him. But
the good Lord upstairs works in the serious ways, and
it was my time to start this when I did so.
I had my second encounter December fourteenth of twenty twenty three,

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in my very very successful research area that I've taken
multiple other people in and they've had their first experiences
in there. So I go out with my wife and
we're going up the trail and all of a sudden
she stops and she.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
Says, look those sticks. I said, what sticks?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
She says, those sticks over in the woods. I said,
what a battle? She said, let's up and I have
a war movie. I'm like, okay, She's like, you know
how the old movies they have the sticks snap down
the ground. I'm like, yes, honey, I know, and so
I said, standing right head. She said okay, so she's
standing on the main trail. I go off the trail.
I get maybe twenty twenty five yards off the trail,

(23:48):
and I see two logs laying like this, side by side.
And I looked in between those two logs and the
leaves were matted down like something was laying there, and
I'm like, okay, So I stilled it off. I wear
a size twelve and so it was roughly eight and
a half feet and I was like, all right.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Okay, this is if it's.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
A black bear, HiT's the granddaddy of.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
All of them.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And so I hear something ahead of me moving. I
hollered up the walk. I said, stand out there. I'm
all ease on back into the woods and see what
this is. I say, it's probably a bear. So I
get further on back into the folag jair and I
come across this huge game trail.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
So I don't know if the elk.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Were using it or what, because there were some high breaks,
but I didn't know if it was the elk racks
doing it or if it was actually the bigfoot. But
I'm pretty sure I've determined it's the bigfoot now. So
I'm standing there in this trail, and all of a sudden,
I just have this intuition that I need to look
to my right, Like it was just the last thing
on my mind. Why do I need to look right?
So I turned, I stopped, and I turned, and I

(24:51):
seen it. This reddish brown bigfoot stepped in behind the tree,
and I'm like, oh crap. And it's a lot closer
than the first one.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
When it was up on.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That cliff face, it was about fifty five sixty yards away.
This one it was real close, so it was within
twenty five thirty yards. And I'm like, I know you're
behind that tree. I'm like, I'm telling myself and that
in my head, I know you're behind that tree to
step out.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
And it steps out, and it's core to me.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
We're looking face to face at each other, and there's
a laurel bush right beside of that tree, and so
he crouches down and he peeks his head out from
the bush and he's looking at me.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
I can see him real good.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
He's got gray skin, he's got jet black eyes, the
reddish brown hair, and I'm just I'm mesmerized by this thing,
and as I'm looking in its eyes, it's like a
humanness about it.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
I'm like, this is not this is not an ape.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And so originally that's what I thought, is Gigantipithecus or
something like.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
That, because I love Jurassic Park.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I love stuff like that, and so I initially thought Gigantipithicus.
And it was when I was looking in the eyes
it was too human. If I was hunting and I
seen that looking back at me, that would be murder.
So I'm sitting there, all of a sudden, to my
left was loud popping, a smack of a branch, breaking

(26:11):
a really big branch, and then behind me something I
don't know if it was stomping in place or if
it was running towards me, but I know I got
the hell out of docks. But here's the funny thing.
I had a pistol on my right hand side. So
when I was coming in, my pistol was facing towards

(26:33):
the first one. You know, I never seen the other two.
I only seen the one. But when I turned to
lock eyes with him, my pistol was facing back towards
the trail, and they were all opposite directions from the pistol,
so there ain't nobody can tell me.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
These things don't know what guns are.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
So they're very very intelligent, and they know how to
remain hidden.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
And like I said, I've had people.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Out in my research area and they're like, you know,
these things are literally ninjas because there's so much followed,
there's so much vegetation, and it's like they can remain hidden.
And I'm like, yeah, they're the watchers for a reason, dude.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
A lot of the time, these things seem like they
almost know like war tactics. Like I've talked to enough
people that talk about this idea that these things will
like stay up high on certain hills and then they'll
have like scouts that'll sit on the outside where they'll
have like a group of them sleeping in the middle,
and they'll be able to see for like a long
distance and if anybody's coming, they know like a direct
path down. Like I don't know if it's just from
them like adapting to like learning things over the years,

(27:36):
or it's an intelligence factor to it, but like there's
so much like military ideology behind like their movement and placement,
and I mean even something else I was thinking about
if you're on top of a ridge and you're like
a scout. Obviously these things seem to understand the idea
of like repercussion of sounds and like noise vibration. So like,
I'm sure one percent these things are aware of the
fact that if they sit up on top of a hill,

(27:58):
they make themselves sound tense times louder. So if there's
any predators, for like miles, you're going to scare these
things away. Like these things know what's up.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Man.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
These things are intelligent.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
They they're they are.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
They are much more intelligent than what people take them
to be. You know, they're not They're not the friendly
Harry and the Henderson the type. You know. They they
want to be left alone. And quite frankly, you know, yeah,
people say they're good ones, but I don't. I don't
trust any of them. So, and there's always more than one.
I've learned that if there's one, there's at least two

(28:30):
or three more with it.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Unless it's a rogue, and that's a whole other problem.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
The rogues are. The rogues are a whole different issue
within themselves. Thankfully, I've not ran across the rogue one yet,
but I'm not rulling it out.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
But it won't happen.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's just it's just it'll be a matter of time
when I come across the wrong one.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
But so far it's it's not been like that.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
You just got to be the first. You don't have
to be the fastest runner, you can't be the slowest.
You just got to make sure you have a couple
of people with you.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Exactly right. That's exactly right there.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Right now.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Very much meat on my bones.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Anyway, I'd be nothing but a dang one toothpick.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Hey, even sasquatch needs a toothpick. Gotta here's something to
pick everybody else out.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Exactly right.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
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Speaker 5 (29:51):
And we're back with the high strangeness. Let's get back
into it.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And so the first time that I ever really had
anybody come out with me was just January seventh of
last year. It was me, my good friend George Lunsford,
and Robert Effler and Robert's wife Michelle, and we're going
through my research area and you know, I'm showing them
all these tree structures and things like that, and we

(30:18):
start finding footprints, you know, and I'm like, well, they're here,
you know, these are these are fresh footprints, so we're
not too far behind them. And we actually found a
couple of dog man tracks, you know, the huge, huge
canine tracks. So when we're working our way back out,
I nudged George on the shoulder. I said me, and
you were going to go down this little path right here.

(30:39):
We're going to work our way down this holler and
Robert Michelle can stay on the main trail and we'll
stay in walkie contact. And he's like, all right, whatever
I said, if we're going to see what it's going
to be down here, He's like, okay. I didn't think
he really had high hopes to seeing one, much less
he he had never seen He had never seen a.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Big but he's he's seen UFOs ghosts and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So we're working our way down through this holler and
eventually we come across the ridge and there's a little
a little just a little bitty dip, and then it
comes up to another little.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
Ridge across from us.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And I'm sitting there and on walking, and all of
a sudden, I catch something big and black moving through
the laurel bush and I'm like, okay, I see you,
I see you. And it went in behind the tree
and it peeked out to look. He just had his
head peeked out, he didn't have his whole body peeked out.
And I stopped. I said, George, there he is. He
said hardly, that's a shadow. I said, George, that's a bigfoot.

(31:38):
I just seen it walk. He said, are you serious?
I said yes, I said stand right here. So he
stood right there and was watching it. I walked towards it.
I didn't step fifteen twenty ish feet. I stepped on
a branch and it's hand like a shotgun going off
that we've since name this big foot Alfalca. He reached up,
braced hisself on the tree, and he leans to look

(32:00):
for me. Because I was where he couldn't see me.
And next thing I know, hear my buddy George say,
oh shit, and he comes running past me towards the
big foot. And I'm sitting here contemplating my life decisions,
and I'm like, what are we doing? Are we chasing
this thing? And so we get up there to the
tree where he was at, and right there in the

(32:21):
mud it was sleeping and raining on us. Right there
in the mud was three perfect toes and then the
slight pinky toe and a slight big toe. But the
reason we named him Alfalfa because when it was sleeping
and rain and his hair was sticking straight up like that.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
So we named him Alfalfa. And I run in. I
run into him every now and then. He's a hoss
cat man.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I know for a fact the tree branch where it
was broken off, that was the top of his head.
And he was almost nine foot tall, and so he
was ever he was over four foot at the shoulders.
A He's a massive and I'm very familiar with him.
I'm pretty su sure he leaves the twenty two inch
tracks that I find. He's a he's a big boy.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Twenty two inch tracks. I mean, wow, it's almost two
foot long footprint. That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
Yeah, that's not the biggest one I found, though.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I found a twenty six inch, so I don't I'm
not sure who leaves that one. But there's there's one
bigger than him in there, and I haven't seen it yet.
But I find I find all sizes of tracks, you know,
I find little bitty ones, and they're all different. Some
of them are real wide, you know, and then some
of them is just real long and skinny. But they're
they're they're like us, you know, they're all genetically different.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Just to bring up something that we had mentioned on
a previous episode, and I'm sure that U Orne's gonna
know exactly where I'm going with this. Have you found
any of the three toad prints?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I have? You have, but but they're not they're they're
not like the bigfoot footprints, you know, they're not humanists footprints.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Do you want to get into this one with them
real quick oron? Or do you want me to explain it?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I mean you can go ahead and go.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Okay, So if you haven't talked to Timothy Rinner yet,
he's been researching this phenomenon where it's the three toed tracks,
but he started connecting it with ancient folklore with this
like bird footed like woman or the lady in like
white that like hangs out around like sasquatch or around
these like wild men type things. And he's found that
almost everybody that has a spot that's like a reoccurring thing,

(34:23):
they always find these three toed prints. And like you mentioned,
they're not sasquatch prints, as much as people like to
mention them. He says, they're actually these bird foot type prints.
Like you should go back and listen to our previous
episode or get in contact with Timothy and you should
add into that because he's been particularly researching that phenomenon.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
Oh rap, I was not expecting.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
That we starts getting into some weird stuff because I
know you kind of dive into some of the nephelm
stuff with ye this, so I mean it kind of
starts getting into this more ancient aspect of like what's
the attachment? What are these things actually? Like why is
there always this woman in white that's also usually seen
on the property. That was the other question I was
gonna ask a woman in a wait.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Lila for sure, Oh my gosh, man, that I don't
want nothing to do with that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
I'm all for chasing.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
If I'm tracking big foot, dogmen and all this other stuff,
do you sign me up for ghosts? That's when you
lose the hell.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
No, go the opposite direction of those three toad prints, then, man,
don't go that way.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I'm gonna try and pull a picture of free toad
print that I found.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Hang on, just one sickon.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
You should be able to screen share, it should give
you access. It should be on the bottom of the screen.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yet I'm trying to pull it up here, hang on,
just one sick Yeah, it's not cooperating with me. But
the three toad tracks that I found, it's like, this
is the path of the foot, but then the toes
come off like that, but they're three toad.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Can you send this through social media because I can
bring it up on my screen real quick if you're
not able.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
To I'm using my phone. I ain't using the laptop.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Oh okay, for sure, I'll see you said it to
me afterwards that I can actually.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Actually hold on just one second, I think I have
the picture. Hold on because I have a photo album.
I hang not.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
I'm really into this. I really got to see this footprint, like,
I haven't actually seen too many pictures of these three
toed prints. I may want to make sure that I
take the opportunity.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Here, Yes, hold on just one second. I've got a
picture of it. I'm if I'm not mistaken. It's in here.
I got a big old photo album full of pictures. Yes,
I do have it. It's right here, perfect, Yeah, this
is it right here. Well, that's work. It's just as good.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
But there is the hand there as big as my hand,
and I have I have a pretty good, pretty good
sized hand.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
Oh so one, two, three.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Tell me that doesn't look like a giant bird print
like Timothy was mentioning too right, because it almost kind
of looks like a duck foot, like that kind of
shape like web toes or something.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
But I found that before Gatlinburg Conference last year. It
was July twenty fourth, And as I'm sitting there looking
at the prints, I hear a clicking noise straight out
of the Predator movie.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
That's what it sounded like, the clicking front of the Predator.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And I'm sitting there and I'm like, is there a
predator out here in the woods with me right now?
But and so as you knowed Shane. I usually go
pro behind me to record behind me while I'm out there,
and that's how I get a lot of the stuff
that I get smart. But this, this, this is what
was making that clicking noise. And it moves so quick.

(37:29):
It was behind a tree and it literally just goes
to and it just it was so quick, so I
had to go.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
I had to.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Scrub through it enough to get it. And this is
what it was. Does that look like a gray or
a reptilian or what is?

Speaker 6 (37:47):
I don't know? Why'm I kid? Oh?

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, I can see it.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, you can definitely let make out a face that
looks like and kind of like shoulders and its horse.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I don't Yeah, yeah, well it's I'll have to I'll
send it to you or in alan media. But it
looks it looks you can see it clear as day
in the original the image. But it was right there
behind me, and it moves so fast. And I've showed
it to other people and they're like, oh, that's a gray,
Oh it's a reptilian and my wife. My wife said,

(38:16):
well that's a dinosaur. I'm like, I don't know that.
Everybody's telling me these different things and It's just like,
I don't know what the hell it is, but it
definitely had me stretching my head there for the longest time.
But I do know whenever I hear that clicking sound,
that thing's around.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, get the hell out of the damn woods.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Yeah, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
But piggybacking off of that, like, what do you think
these bigfoot creatures actually are in your opinion? Because I
know you had said that. You know, you went into
this thinking kind of the gigantopithecus uh theory, and then
once you saw on you thought they were much more human.
But then you've had these weird uh encounters with things

(39:01):
that aren't very bigfoot like at all. Do you think
it's you know, the same phenomenon wearing different masks. Do
you think there's you know, something biological going on or
something more woo woo. I mean, I know it's an
impossible question to answer, but you.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Know, I'm a man, I'm a man of faith, but
I'm not I'm far from I'm far from perfect, you know,
but I know I can get down the end of
the days and ask my Lord Savior for forgiveness. You know,
from my sins or whatever I've done wrong, and so
I can't. I came into this bull head to toe
from a biblical narrative. I looked at Cain. Cain was

(39:36):
cursed to be a restless swandra of the earth, you know,
and you know, it doesn't really do too much into
context of how he was cursed.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Okay, and Esau is probably.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And my buddy Doc Brown from Prometheus Lyn's he just
wrote a book called the Epic of Esau, and it
goes he done his research and it's like, you know,
it goes into the birthright and.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
The seed war.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
So Esau was born, had to toe covered with red hair,
and he was entertied with the Nephilon giants so on
and so forth, and you know, I initially thought, well,
that could explain some of it, but then it got
to the point of like, okay, the orbs, the UFOs
dog men, these gray alien reptilia, whatever you gonna call it,

(40:22):
and the mind speak, and it was just like, there's
something else. And so then I went back and looked
at Scott's videos, and you know, he was talking about
the Nephilon, you know, the offspring of the human women
and the sons of God. The fallen angels. And so
even when you go and look at the Sasquatch genome project,

(40:43):
you know, and there's a lot, a lot of debate
behind that, you know, and they're all everybody's saying, it's
all just a bunch of bs. But I think I
think it's legit because Scott Carpenter had sent samples from
here in the Great Smoky Mountains, and it shows that
sasquatches have the mitochondrial d of a human mother from
two thousand years ago, and the father is something completely

(41:06):
unknown to science.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
Well, that just.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Throws everybody flag in the book for me, and that's
the falling, you know. And then like based on some
of like the genetic material and stuff, it shows that
they shouldn't even be alive. And so then it goes
into the fact of I've been debating on this too.
What if you know these bodies are just vessels for

(41:30):
the Nephilum spirits, because the Nethilum spirits, you know, they're
still on this earth. You know, when the flood came,
it just wiped them all out, and so the spirits
are still on this earth. You know, that's why we
have demons so on, and so forth, and so with
these bodies, you know, they're essentially being used as vessels,
you know, and that's like the dog men, you know, Oh,

(41:52):
they're the government assets or whatever the case may be.
You know, for Joe Barber's incident, you know, he kind
alived when it was trying to get in this truck,
you know, and the vehicle rolls up. You killed our asset.
And so it's just like you know, and the giant
cover up. It's all everything in this is all intertwined
and connected.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
And I always encourage people, you know, keep an open mind.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You know, there's there's nobody in this that's an expert
could be complete her own, absolutely, but two and two
don't make one. So it's just like, you know, there's
red flags in this. Well.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I think it's really interesting that you brought up the
possibility that these you know, bigfoot type bodies could just
be a vessel basically for this disembodied Nefhilam spirits. You know,
something that I've come across a lot just in research
and listening to various podcasts and stuff recently, is.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
This idea that.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And you're probably much more familiar with the scripture than
I am, so you can correct me as I go.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
But this idea that you know, the Nephilim spirits were
trapped in the mountains and in the earth.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
And I've heard people bring up the idea that, you know,
all these weird things happen in the Appalachian mountains.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Could it be that, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
These spirits were trapped in various mountain ranges, you know,
across the globe, and that's why all this weird stuff happens,
you know, not only in the Pacific Northwest with like
Mount Shasta and that sort of thing, but also you
know this hotbed of activity that is the Appalachians.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Even the Middle East with all the giants, I mean
always the mountain.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, the kind of hard giants, A perfect perfect example
of that. You know, a red hair giant, you know,
and it's like, you know, he saw the cover and
had the toe with red hair, you know, but that
thing has red hair. So it's like, you know, it's
all intertwined and connected, and.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
It's it's a it's a it's a it's a rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
To go down, and it's it's definitely hard to comprehend
and wrap your head around much less, you know, and
a lot of people don't understand this about you know,
the fall and the Fallen did not just procreate with
human women. They experimented on animals and even plants, you know,
and that's how we I think, that's how we have
you know, the centaurs, these satyrs and all this stuff

(44:12):
that we see in Greek mythology, and.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
You know even like in ancient Egypt, you know, these
like dog headed gods and whatnot, and.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
The giants mixed in with that on top of it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yes, exactly right, you know, and it makes you wonder,
you know, if like.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
These gods are the fallen.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
You know, these their worship, you know, they're all every
every other religion you know is like you know, like
for instance, Zeus. You know, Zeus could have been one
of the fallen. So it makes you wonder. It definitely
makes you scratch your head and wonder.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
On some of these things.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
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Speaker 4 (45:24):
And now back to the show. Now, I'm with you
one hundred percent on a lot of that. And you know,
an idea that we talk about a lot on the
show is, you know, these people in these ancient cultures
were probably depicting what they actually saw, you know, as
much time and effort and energy as it took to

(45:45):
make these carvings and paintings and things like that. In
ancient times, they're not basically writing bedtime stories on this start.
They're depicting things that they thought they were important and
what they actually saw. And in light of you know,
everything you're talking about, the whole Nephilam and gods and
the fallen angle, you know, I think it makes perfect
sense that that's what these things are. And you know,

(46:07):
we talk a lot on the show too about you know,
one person's demon or one person's alien as another person's
god or nephilum and largely we're all talking about, like
you said, with the wood boogers or the devil monkeys,
we're all talking about the same thing here. It's just
different names for.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
You know, absolutely right, and you know and Revelations. I
can't remember which verse it is right off the top
of my head, but it says in the end times
the beast and the beasts of the Earth will be unleashed. Well,
what what's the beasts of the earth? Bigfoot, dog men,
reptilians or whatever else under the sun.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
That we don't know about yet.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
So it's like, and even this is something else that
I found interesting lately.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
So I've seen an article that I read the other
day that.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
This company is going to start making t Rex leather purses.
And I'm sitting there and I'm.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Like, Okay, how are they going to do this?

Speaker 4 (46:57):
They're telling me have a movie about how this isn't
a good ideas.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I mean, yeah, a Colossal Bioscience has made a designer
dire wolf and like it's it's it's you play God,
You're gonna fill the wrath.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
And so this company what they're gonna do. They're gonna
take t Rex college.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And start making leather purses, and so it's sitting there
and I'm like, I got to thinking about it. I'm like,
you know, if that's true, how is it alive after
sixty five million years? And then you go back and
looking like cave paintings and stuff like that, and you
see pictures of dinosaurs with people much less.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
There's a painting.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
There's a painting from my camera somewhere in Europe, and
like in the background of the picture there's two long
neck dinosaurs. And if you haven't been the Ark Encounter
in Kentucky, that place is super cool. But when I
went in there and was looking around, they didn't have
the full grown dinosaurs on the arc. They had babies,

(47:53):
and so it was like, that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Wean we're still convinced that all these dragons that they
talked about during medieval times were the dinosaurs, and it's
just different wordage and burbage for it. And they just
expanded on the stories and made them something bigger than
they were. But now they're diving into it. It's like
all these dragons were depicted with like feathers with this,
and it's like now that we're looking into stuff, realizing
that these things were more birdlike than anything. It's like

(48:17):
all the pieces are connecting, dude, Like, I think they
are around with people. And again, we just called them
dragons for so long until they died, all the dragon
and then they became folklore and then they got rediscovered again.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yes, dragon was around way before the word dinosaur was,
so essentially they're just dragons.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
You know, you talked about how you're a man of
faith and like people that kind of and I appreciate
like people who people who are Christians but also entertain
you know, an open mind about this sort of thing
because it even as a kid, it used to always
bother me when people would be like, oh, well, clearly
there's not dinosaurs because you know the Bible doesn't say

(48:56):
anything about them.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well, that word was not invented.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
That people were describing things with the best language they had,
and you know, shame to your point. Even like you know,
meso American folklore talks about like feathered serpents and things
like that.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
So uh, you know, they didn't use the word blue
in the Bible. It doesn't mean that blue doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Blue like blue clues or the color.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Just the color like it wasn't a reference until like
relatively recent in history. It's one of those things that
you know, when they describe the ocean, they talk about
like reds and all this stuff, Like just because the
color wasn't referenced then and that word wasn't something that
was in the verb, but it doesn't mean that it
doesn't exist. And I always got to bring insern into everything,
So I'm gonna throw this one in just because we're
talking about you know, opening portals and times all this

(49:41):
kind of shit. Looking at the different context of like
who the fallen angels are. I always bring up like
Hindu religion with this, because the whole premise of the
religion was built off of one destroyed to rebuild that
whole concept on top of the fact that all the
gods were breeding with people, and that's half of the religion.
Is this sexual component into you know, breeding or having
intercourse with the gods and all of this. So I mean,

(50:03):
you bring that component in and you look at it
from that perspective, and then you see cern with the
giant Shiva outside the front, and again it connects into
all this stuff and makes a lot more sense that
we're all talking about the same thing just from different viewpoints,
and it's a matter of like, you know, if somebody
comes into your area and they start giving you knowledge,
like of course you're gonna like look up to them
like they're the gods, because you don't have any other

(50:24):
outside reference point. But when you step back and see
the broader perspective of everything in general, it's like you
start looking at these certain groups and you're like, all right,
this fits the fall and angel story. It's just a
matter of perspective and like how you're viewing it. But
like Hindu religion in particular, that one definitely connects in.
And obviously everybody knows all the weird mountain ranges and
everything that are over in that area, so even connecting

(50:45):
back in with the whole mountain aspect of things too.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
So yeah, absolutely correct. And that's another thing you talk
about connecting the dots. You know, Percy Jackson and the Olympians,
you know, like you know the gods and you know
the women. You know, they had demi gods, so you know,
it's like that's the falling falling there, you know, the
following appropriating with human women and you know, having these

(51:07):
men ever now so to speak.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
So Harley, I do have a question for you since
Shane brought up the whole cern aspect of all this.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Oh, I do have another stern article by the way
for the next bizarreries. I got one covered for us.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
So I've got some stuff on cern. They're right in
my backyard, That's what I was going to ask.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
So, being that you're from East Tennessee, are you familiar
with the whole Oak Ridge Labs and the particle collider
there and do you think that could have any connection
to all this high strangeness that you're experiencing in your.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Naw Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And this is for entertainment purposes only, dropping this bombshell
right here right now. I know of another one, but
I'm I'm I'm not talking about it, but I know
where there's another one at Okay, but it is it
is in the National Park.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
I think that there's a lot more of these things
in a lot more places than people realize. And it
may even tie in with the weird phenomenon that people
that live out in the hills and stuff. We'll talk
about how to hear this like mechanical sound coming from
under the ground. Like I'm curious if they're making these
things all over the place and people aren't aware of it.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
Well, and me and you talked about this, Shane.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
You know, in the end times, you know these smart cities,
everybody's going to fall into order. You know, when the
rapture happens, they're gonna blame it on the aliens. And
so if you go to the smart cities, you're gonna
be saved. Well, if you go out of the smart city,
you're fair game for the Beast. Me and You've talked
about this, and it's it's a rabbit hole to go down. Man.

(52:35):
But like I think, I definitely think some of these
things are made and used his weapons. I definitely, I
definitely think that. And it's just for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
I mean, even on the flip side talking about like
dog Man and Sasquatch and everything, we talk about the
whole idea that a lot of this phenomenon we think
is multifaceted. There's not just one specific answer to where
these things are coming from. Like I definitely think that
there's like a natural component to dog Man, But I'm
on the other side of it. There definitely seems to
be this other, like more militaristic idea behind dog man,
and whether it's they're trying to take these wild ones

(53:07):
and try to tame them and use them for their
own or they're creating them because they were inspired by
seeing these things in nature. Like there is some type
of like government tying component of these things, but I
think that there's also the more like for sake a
better word, like more natural component to it. Whether that's
supernatural or not. I mean, that's like a whole other
thing for debate, but something that is causing these things
that isn't some type of human intervention or some type

(53:30):
of human gene editing, but there's still something to it
because otherwise, like you mentioned with the one from Michigan
where the trucker put the shot into the guy when
or into the dog man who's trying to climb in
this cab, I mean, there's endless stories about that and
having these like unmarked vehicles come and stop people, like
particularly in the Manistee since you were talking about that area,
we covered it, but like I've heard of multiple researchers

(53:51):
that have gone to and try to investigate that area
and they'll have like unmarked vehicles stop them and say,
we know what you're doing. The area and you need
to leave before you get into anything else. And I mean,
maybe I'll make it out there one day and have
one of those experiences. But I mean, like there's something
weird going on in specific areas, and I think the
Manistee and Land between the Lakes there is some government
component to those two areas in particular.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I'm moving to the Land between the Lakes and the
next couple of weeks, so I'm I'm leaving my East
Tennessee home behind and I'm going to be thirty minutes
from my lane between the Lakes, and I'm super.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
Excited about that.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I'm gonna keep my camper down here though, so I
can still come out here and do some research.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
But you see how that goes.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I'm I'm going to I'm going to be a little
living in a town called McEwan and I'm going to
be thirty ish minutes away.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
So I'm going to be doing a lot of boots.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
On the ground in there, and good Lord willing that
I don't get eaten by one of them men. I've
had my I've had my fair sharers of running with
the dog men, and that's that's a whole different can
of worms. They they are something else. Man, They they
they put the fear of God in you. Man much
less when you look into their eyes, it's evil.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
They're evil. Man, me much less.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Seeing one in a tree that was terrifying in itself,
and that happened recently. I've seen one in a tree
on April nineteenth of this year.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
So what, if any connection do you think there is
between Bigfoot and dog Man, Because you know, you hear
a lot of people theorize that maybe, like the dog
men are the minions of Bigfoot and things like.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Do you think there's anything to that.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Or are people just trying to connect dots that might
not necessarily be there.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I think that they fall from the same type of origin,
just different ways, that they still have the same ancestral lineage.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
I don't think that they fight. That there's people out
there that think that they do.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Go all the time in my research area, they're both
in there and there's some sort of cohabituation in there,
and I would think that we see it in nature
all the time, that they're symbiotic relationships. You know, why
would two apex predators benefit from just fighting all the
time killing each other off when they can have like
a mutual respect, you know. I would think that it

(56:05):
would be like USh using dogs for hunting, you know.
And I would think that, you know, the bigfoots have
a little blind set up, And I've found some like these,
these trees that are all bent over and just piled
in and brought in from different areas, and it's like
it's a perfect hunting blind. And so I sit there
on a ponder, I might you know, it's dog man,

(56:26):
you know, runs the deer or whatever. You know, Bigfoot
just reaches out and grabs it, gets first pigs, and
then dog man get the scratched essentially, so it's like
you know it, we don't.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
I don't really know.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
Have you found any of these like kill walls or anything,
because and you mentioned the blind. But I've been kind
of fascinated by this concept that I've only heard a
few people say that they've seen where it's almost like
they set them up like a corral almost where the
whole idea is that they'll like push a bunch of
deer into this area and then once they're closed off,
then they can basically just sit at the end and
just take them one by one. Have you, by chance
come across anything that seems like it's relatively close to these.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
I have, I have not, Like I said, these, Where
I research chat there's nothing but mountain laurels and I
do you have mountain laurels out there, don't you? And
Raleigh the big green bushes that are green year round.
Not so much here. I mean, it's just basically all
concrete here.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
But you know, I grew up in a very rural
area of eastern North Carolina, so I mean I'm familiar
with all.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
This kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, yeah, the mountain the mountain laurels, like if you
if you've never seen them, like, it's excellent, excellent cover
for them. And I have not found anything like that yet,
but if I do, you'll be the first.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Enough, all right, guys, we got to take another break.
We'll be right back, and now we're getting back to
the bazar, so Harley, before we kind of start moving forwards,

(57:56):
wrapping up, I've heard through the grapevine from various friends
of the show that you've had some pretty cool encounters
and investigations here recently, and I know you can't share
too much about it, but is there any teasers you
can give us about what you may or may not
possibly again just for informational and entertainment.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Purposes, have been up too lately. Yeah, yeah, dog man
in a tree, I'll break that down. So April nineteenth,
I went out to my parents property, you know, and
walking down through the woods there, I was looking for
morel mushrooms or hickory chickens or whatever you want to
call it. And I was walking with the dogs. They

(58:41):
have blue heelers and assis, and we were walking down
the trail and I get to the point of where
I'm getting close to the cave is and the creek
just runs right by my parents' house and it runs
down into the creek and the dogs just start going
crazy and they were barking like I never heard them
bark before. And I'm like, well, this is this is strange.

(59:04):
And so I get going down towards where they are
at and I'm looking up in the tree and I
see something black moving around and I'm like, well, that's
probably a bear. And I'm sitting there and I'm looking
and I'm like, yeah, this is a bear. Well, I
took a picture and when I looked at the picture,
and when.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
I look back up. I'm like, oh, that's not a bear.
It was. It was a dog man. It was. It
was a little one. It was a little one.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
And I was like, oh, it was a puppy man. Yeah,
juvenile what everyone calls it? Yeah, dog Yeah. And so
it's up in that tree and it's throwing a fit.
It's breaking branches and everything like that, and I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Trying to grab all these dogs.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And mind you, they weren't only I had to grab
all these dogs by their collars and try to get
them out of here.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
I'm like, come on, come on.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Well I finally get them away from the tree and
up on the ridge behind me, I hear something else
and I'm like, all crap.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
And I took another picture and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Peeking its head out of the bush is a bigger
and I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Like, all trap.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
And so I'm like, come on, doaks, come on. But
I think I figured out what killed well unlive the
hogs of my dad. So I mean, you know, big
big Foot's one thing. Dog man as a whole, that's
a whole different can of worms to open, uh, But
to go into kind of what Warren touch bass on me,

(01:00:32):
Doc Brown from Prometheus lymb's podcast for Drewski from cryptied
Warffare Podcast, Riley from Midwest Menthos and Jessica Jones the
Crypti Hunters, oh and Kevin Kevin from Where the Weird
Ones Are. We all took it out into my research
area and we camped out there for three days, well,
Friday Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
And we left on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
And yeah, we all we all experienced something in some way,
straight shape or form. And I really hope that you
all will see this film whenever it's released. You can
keep up with me and everybody else I've mentioned, But
I will say that this film is going to change
some people's point of views on things. And as rally,

(01:01:19):
as Riley said in the little trailer, you know, these
these mountains are ancient and what's here has been here
longer than any of us ever have. And it this
trip definitely changed a few people's lives. And it's, uh,
it's it's just so real, you know, and be out
there finding the foot finding footprints, hearing the noises and

(01:01:43):
being surrounded at base camp, you know, hearing these things
hollering at us and being whistled at and everything else,
and being down there in the woods, you know, no
lights and being surrounded, and there is something that happened
to me that I did not tell anybody when they

(01:02:06):
were out there until after that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
What happened to me was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
After Rilly and them had left, and you all will
see why in the film, Me and the me Brian
doc drew Ski and Kevin decide to stay behind. And
I'm not sure if we got this part in the
film or not. I'm not one hundred percent, so I
won't talk too much about what happened then, but we

(01:02:34):
decided to work our way out after what had happened
to us, and I'm in front of everybody else, and
so we start to go up the holler to go
back to base camp, and I have this voice like
my ears started ringing and buzzing, and something said.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
Get out of here now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
My ears were fuzzy, my ears were ringing, like everything
was cloudy, and whatever it was, it was like in
a Native American voice.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
I don't know, but it said get out of here now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
So that was only my second time experiencing the mind speak,
but that time was definitely a fight or flight and
I took flight and I booked it out of the
woods and everybody followed suit behind me because I'm like,
all right, come on, let's go. So they just followed
in behind me. And I just recently told them about

(01:03:36):
this because it's hard to talk about, you know, because
you have something like that in your head and it's
hard to think that these creatures can do that, but
they can. Well, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
How the timing of all this worked out, because funny enough,
I was actually recording an episode for Riley's show with
him last night, and so he was he didn't go
into too many details, don't or he didn't spoil everything,
but he was talking a little bit about this a
whole weekend and experience that you guys had, and you know,
not to put words in his mouth, but this was

(01:04:13):
a profound experience that he had and it seemed, you know,
like you said, life changing. And it's just it's pretty
cool to hear you know, this story from multiple people,
like you could always, even if they're your buddies or whatever,
you could chalk it up to, oh, if one person
says something, well maybe, but like you know, when you
hear enough the same story enough times from enough people,

(01:04:37):
I mean there's probably something to it. So I can't
wait to follow this project and see where it goes
and ultimately see the film, because I've heard a lot
of cool stuff about it already.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
So I posted I posted it on TikTok and it's
almost at two hundred and fifty thousand views, so it
blew up.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
So it blew my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
So it's it's just so it's so real and so awesome,
you know, and there's a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
Of people that want to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So it's it's definitely gonna put Appalachia on the map,
and uh, raise raise a little bit of awareness, because
that's my whole endgame with all this is raising awareness
and keep people from acting like idiots in the woods
and don't don't throw their trash out in the woods.
Because when I went out a few weeks ago, I

(01:05:21):
found this big old trash pile, and boy did it
pissed me off. Oh my gosh, I was so mad.
So I put a trail camera up right there, so
I'm gonna find out who it is and they're gonna
they're gonna pay for it, because I can't That's one
thing I can't stand is people trashing God's country. And
it's just who in mercy No just puts it lots

(01:05:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
And now we're getting back to the Bazaar.

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
So I guess kind of start and completely wrap up
towards the end. Man, if anybody wanted to be able
to keep tabs on that project one that's coming out,
exactly get with you about even giving up some of
their Sasquatch reports or following any of the work that
you're doing, any of that stuff. Man, where can everybody
come and find you on the internet and where can
people come and get in contact with you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
For more on operations Smoke, be sure to go follow
my good friend dot Brown at Prometheus Slim's podcast. He's
the man behind the film and I'm also won't give
a shout out there, Buddy else again, Jewski and his
Boys from Cryptid Warfare Podcast, Riley from Midwest mid of
those podcasts, Jessica Jones, a Crypted Huntress, Kevin from Where

(01:07:00):
the Weird Ones Are, And you know, you can find
me on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Bigfoot Reports and Data, and
also on YouTube. If you want to reach out, reach
out to me on Messenger. That's probably the best way.
Harley Owens.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
But yeah, it's just I'm very honored, blessed and humble
to do what I do. And you know, I don't
push my agenda on any of this. You know, what
I believe is what I believe. And you know, I
encourage everybody to be open minded about this stuff. And
you know, it never hurt, It never hurt anybody to
be open minded. And I've learned that in this in

(01:07:38):
this world, you have to be open minded because everything
is not as we've seen.

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
And I always always tell everybody, you know, start start
your day where the mystery never ends, because there's all
there's always something that you'll see day to day that'll
make you question what what's really going on?

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
In this world?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Very well said.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Well Man. We appreciate you making the time to come
on today. We appreciate you doing it last minute, and
at some point we'll definitely have to do a round two,
round three, whatever, because I'm sure that we've barely even
scratched the surface on a lot of the stuff that
you guys have been doing and the experiences that you've had.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Absolutely, manh Yeah, there's more where this came from, and
there is more to come.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Well, Harley, it was so nice to meet you for real,
and I look forward to getting to hang out with
you here in a couple of months in Gatlinburg at
the Smoking Mountain big Foot Conference. So looking forward to that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
Absolutely, man. I look forward to it as well. Night
we can drag Shane down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
We'll get them all drunk up on moonshine.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
Yeah, dude, I don't know if you know you were
weren't around the following morning, Dude, that last time we're
at when we're in Ohio, you know we're all sitting
around that bonfire, we're all just drinking, hanging out. I
didn't realize how far in I got, man. I woke
up the next morning, the kids wanted to go and
like hang out the pool and all that shit, and
I was just like trying to hide the fact that
I was like in the bathroom throwing up, like oh no,

(01:09:01):
Like the kids are like trying to swim in the pool.
They're like, oh, come in with me. I'm like, oh,
I got I gotta go to the bathroom real quick,
like every five minutes. And then as we start going
to leave, Gabby goes, oh, yeah, let's get some raisin canes,
and anybody that knows me as he was like, oh,
you know south of Michigan, I got to get some
raisin canes. And I was like, oh, I think I'm
just gonna do a sweetee and she's like, oh, you're hungover,
aren't you. I'm like, yeah, bitch, I just playing it

(01:09:21):
on uncle, or I didn't realize how deep I got.
You know that'll happen when you're just sitting there hanging
out and then all of a sudden, it's been like
four hours you've been sitting there drinking. You're like, shit,
I'm twelve deep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Moonshine, Oh no, they and twisted teas.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
That's what it was.

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soon as we started getting intocern because you know, we
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