#120 The 1890's Mystery Airship Phenomenon

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any one, and I looked out and there was this big, red,
blinking UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Something's going on. They're not dogs, they're not coyotes.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
What could it be?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Right? I had an encounter with a skunk cake and
it completely altered the course of my life. I got
a call walk on building about what about saying, E
sighting of a U f FO hovering over a farm
really woke up from a dream. And when I went
into the bedroom, she said, there's a monster on the wall.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a barb
wire fence.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
That they were able to obtain cares.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
They sent the hairs to their lab and it came
back as an online creature.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Creature creature.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
O.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
Was that a spanking at the end of that one?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah? And the U be gripping here? I think I
talked over I'm I'm gonna replay just for the listeners
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
The spanking and the little seductive moan at the end
really just brings it home, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
And uh, you know, because I don't feel like anybody
could ever say it better. In the words of one
of the great characters from Ajana.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Welcome Pop, I guess it's just my way of leaving me.

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yet again, sir Orn over here, the big bad Boo
Daddy has put together. So without further ado, I will
pass it over to Orn to get into what we're
getting into today.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
All right, So, actually, Shane, you were kind of the
inspiration for this episode when you did your previous Spring
hil Jack episode. You know, I've got kind of like
a running list of things I might want to do
deep dives on, and this is something that's been on
the list for a while, but I thought it was
kind of in the same vein of what you talked
about in your Spring Heeled Jack episode. So we're going

(04:34):
to be talking about the mystery airship phenomenon of the
eighteen hundreds tonight.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Woo sounds so serious.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh, it's so mysterious. So unless you got anything else,
I will go ahead and jump right into the material.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Was it weather balloons?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean it could have been San Hill crane possibly
confirmed on man, you've just been itching to use that one.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I've been waiting to use that. I made that special
just for the show. Okay, that's gonna be our constant.
Now we're gonna make that a regular rotation as far
as clips go.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So that's definitely what we needed, was more regular rotation clips.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because I don't have enough already. I got like a
folder now that I got like a couple hundred in
because I keep adding six new ones per episodes, so
give me to the point where I haven't recycled them.
I keep saying I'm gonna leave ones on the bord,
and I don't. Besides just making you crazy clips, so
I mean, are you in tro I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Glad we're all being productive over here.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Hey, that's what we do around here. Gotta have some
fun while we're doing the research, all right.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
So unless you got anything else, I want to go
ahead and jump in.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
No sir, all right.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
So the mystery airship phenomenon was a wave of like
these strange aerial sightings, and they took place across the
United States from late eighteen ninety six through mid eighteen
ninety seven, So we're talking about a pretty long time
ago at this point. But the sightings began in California,
and they moved across the country in kind of like

(05:54):
an eastwardly direction, and by the end of the wave,
sightings have been reported by like thousands and thousands of
different people. Most of the reported sightings were only like
a strange light in the sky or sometimes a group
of strange lights. But there are also numerous reports that
people made of seeing like aircraft that resembled like airships

(06:16):
or zeppelins. What the heck? What the heck? So in
some of these cases, people actually reported like encounters with
the occupants or crew members of these aircraft the alien
and they were generally reported to be like humanoid in appearance,
but quote their behavior, mannerisms, and clothing were sometimes reported

(06:40):
to be unusual. And what does that sound like.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
The typical weird early airmen sightings.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I was gonna say men in black sighting. Well
that always like these strange details about these kind of
vaguely humanoid figures that always like tip you off that
there's something weird going on.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I was thinking, like the early, like they're their early
you know, like UFO sightings where it was always the
metallic spacemen looking suits.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I think we're gonna probably talk about that a
little bit when we get to like theories and conclusions
and things like that. But so a lot of these
like strange crew members actually claimed to be from Mars.
So for kind of all these reasons, a lot of
people consider this whole phenomenon to be like a precursor
of the modern day UFO phenomenon. So all this kind

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of got started on November seventeenth of eighteen ninety six,
and several people on that date reported seeing a strange
light in the sky over Sacramento, California, and some people
even reported that they could see a quote vague dark
shape behind the bright light, and other people reported that

(07:50):
they saw a craft that was quote powered by two
men exerting themselves on bicycle pedals whir the pedaling men
seemed to be a passenger compartment which like under the
main body of the craft, a bright light was mounted
on the front end end quote, and one eyewitness even
reported that they heard like this voice coming from the

(08:11):
craft and it was issuing commands to increase elevation in
order to avoid hitting a church steeple. And this sighting
was like reported on by multiple local newspapers. But it
should kind of be noted that a lot of these
articles had like a very joky, like tongue in cheek
presentation of it. So is there anything you want to

(08:32):
add before we move on to the next sighting.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Just these really early sightings, especially from like the late
like eighteen hundreds, are always like really really weird in
the aspect of like I was diving into one a
while ago, and the way that it's spun in the newspapers,
it definitely sounds like an unidentified flying object. But then
you kind of start looking into what people were familiar
with at the time, and like hot air balloons weren't
really like that familiar at the time, So then you

(08:54):
look into it and you realize it was a hot
air balloon, like the eighteen hundred sightings, Like you know,
unless they're like balls of light or just like weird
things like that, they're always like really weird because it's like,
could this have just been somebody's early attempts at creating
like a flying device, because you know, just because like
the Right Brothers did it at this time didn't mean
that there were people attempting this earlier. And it doesn't

(09:14):
mean that all the people that were attempting it earlier
were you know, out in the open about what they
were working on. They could have been trying to work
on something and then like for example, the Right Brothers
put it out before they actually fully got around to it.
So I don't know, just kind of like a weird
thing to kind of take into consideration with some of
the UFO sightings from you know, late eighteen hundreds, early
nineteen hundreds, is that you know, they could be pretty
mundane flying devices, but to people of the time it

(09:36):
was like holy shit, what is that?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, well, a lot of that kind of stuff. We're
going to get in toward uh more toward the end
with thoughts and theories and things of that nature. But
just a few thoughts i'll throw in now. You know,
we talk about all the time these issues of language
and people trying to describe indescribable things for the best
language they have, and like you said, this could very
well be kind of a product of that. Like you said,

(09:59):
if people weren't an't that accustom to you know, these
new fangled flying machines. You're gonna, you know, figure out
some way to describe it. And you know, this is
like horse and buggy times that we're talking about here.
And uh, kind of another point and why I wanted
to do this one kind of on the back of
the spring Hill Jack episode. Like you said, at a

(10:20):
certain point, when you get back to these strange encounters
and sightings and things of that nature that happened like
all the way back into eighteen hundreds, it gets very
hard to kind of discern what happened and what didn't
happen in these and like what these things could be
in like modern day terminology and quote unquote real world terms,

(10:41):
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I mean. And also kind of like I mentioned in
the spring Hill Jack episode, it was a time when
people were very religious, but it was also a time
when there's a lot of new inventions happening. So then
a clash of like science with spirituality kind of came
with a weird outlook and perspective on things. Because when
people are trying to describe things, they kind of had
this mix of, you know, a very basic understanding of
some sciences mixed with you know, religious or spiritual backing

(11:05):
to them, so they try to explain sciences through spiritual means,
even though they had the basic sciences at that time well, and.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Not even just the kind of religious aspect of it.
But at this point in time, like you said, like
the world was changing very quickly. There was a lot
of new technological innovations that were kind of happening all
at once, but a lot of people were still very
rural and uneducated and just basically you know, farmers and
things like that at this time. So yeah, like you said,

(11:34):
this was kind of a perfect storm, kind of just
a snapshot in time where you had like two very
different thought processes and even ways of living going on simultaneously.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
And imagine just like how bizarre it is to see
things flying in the sky in general at that time,
because now it's like we're sure, we don't even think
about it because we're just used to always having stuff
up in the air, whether it's satellites, balloons, kites, planes, whatever.
Then it was like, what, realistically are they really putting
up in the sky. It's not like they're going to
the corner store and buying a balloon It's not like
there was weather balloons, like unless you're an inventor and

(12:05):
you had access to helium and doing all this different stuff.
It's not like there was regularly stuff in the sky.
So you see anything in the sky and you're like,
holy crap, what is that?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well, and it's probably one of those situations we talk
about with like cryptid sightings, like it could be, you know,
something that was four or five feet tall and you know,
you see this weird thing out in the woods, and
then it becomes seven or eight feet tall. It could
be the same thing you saw like this kind of
weird thing in the sky and then it turns into
this huge airship craft type thing.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
So I mean not to mention like perception in the sky,
Like we always talk about how bad people's perception is,
even in the woods when you can see something and
kind of mark it with a tree. As soon as
something gets in the air and you can't tell exactly
how far it is, like when we've dived into like
some of the thunderbird sightings and stuff like, it's really
really hard to tell exactly like how big something is
because there's not really like a point of range near it,
like some of the thunderbird sightings that were sitting on

(12:54):
the top of like a like a telephone pole for example,
So you kind of have like a range, but like
when it's up, it's like, could it be twenty feet
above you? Could it be one hundred feet above you.
It's like with your perception, it's really impossible to tell.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
And again, people at this time really had even less
of a frame of reference for this sort of thing
than like we do today. So I mean probably their
initial reactions to this sort of stuff was even more
skewed than we are now.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Dude, it's like the same shit is Like have you
seen those videos of like when somebody takes a drone
through like a village in India that's never seen like
drones and stuff like that, and they all freak out
about this little tiny drone Like we're looking at it
like it's this little little thing you can just smack
out of the air, and like these kids are running
away from it like it's some kind of like hellish
demon or something like that. So also the perception of
things of being.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Unaware like UFO sidings back in you know, antiquity. So
and that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2 (14:27):
And now back to the show. All right, So jumping
back in. On the November nineteenth, eighteen ninety six edition
of the Stockton, California Daily Mail newspaper, it featured what
is believed to be quote one of the earliest accounts
of an alleged alien craft sighting allegend alleged and according

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to the article, there is this man named HG. Shaw
and he was supposedly like a retired colonel in the
army or something like that, and quote he claimed that
while driving his buggy through the countryside of lod Eye
near Stockton, he came across what appeared to be a
landed spacecraft. Shaw described it as having a metallic surface

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which was completely featureless apart from a rudder and pointed ends.
He estimated a diameter of twenty five feet and said
the vessel was around one hundred and fifty feet in
total length. So that's a pretty good sized craft. And
this part I think is really cool. Three slender, seven
foot tall apparent extraterrestrials were said to approach the craft

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while in emitting, excuse me, a strange warbling noise. There
you go. The beings examined to Shaw's buggy and then
tried to physically force him to accompany them back to
the airship. The aliens were said to give up after
realizing they lacked the physical strength to force Shaw aboard.

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They boarded the ship, which lifted off the ground and
sped out of sight. Shaw believed that the beings were
Martians sent to kidnap an earthling for unknowable but potentially
nefarious purposes. What so, A lot of people consider this
to be like one of the earliest reported cases of
like an attempted alien abduction. But I think there's like

(16:16):
some interesting little tidbits and details in here. The main
one is, you know, there are these three seven foot
tall aliens, but they lacked the physical strength to like
carry this dude onto their spacecraft. Like that's kind of
an odd detail to me. I think it.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Might make some sense though, in the aspect of like
gravity working differently in space would really different on other planets. So,
like this concept's kind of been talked about in like
of course sci fi like Star Trek, the Orville. But
the whole concept that you know, say the gravity is
significantly denser on one planet than it is on another planet.
If that person or that creature from that planet comes

(16:53):
onto the lower density planet, then they're going to look
like they have super strength. But I'm the.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Reverse John Carter from Mars or whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
The same kind of concept, and like vice versa. If
a place has like very very low gravitational weight to it,
then assumably that thing is going to be weak on
like our planet for example, because you got to take
in the consideration of like their regular strength on top
of the weight of like what the planet is pushing
on top of them. So I think that might be

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maybe some validity to why something might be able to
be seven feet tall but be weak. Might be because
if the gravitation's low, then there's not really that pressure
pushing down, so they're able to exceed to taller heights.
But on the flip side, they're gonna be a lot
weaker because you know, they don't have that density being
pushed on on them all the time.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Well, there you go, we just solve the case scientifically
irrefutable evidence. I mean, it makes sense. So jumping into
our next kind of encounter insiding here, uh, November twenty first,
eighteen ninety six, there was another strange light that was
reported in the sky over Sacramento, and this one was

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described as being quote twice as bright as a typical
arc light or locomotive headlamp. And what I think is
interesting about this particular case and why I included it
in the notes, is this one was reported by a
Sacramento District attorney and a deputy sheriff, and later that
same night there were similar lights reported like all over

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northern California in cities including fulsome Modesto, San Francisco, Santa Rosa,
and Oakland. I mean so even like back then, like
Oakland and San Francisco were large city so it's not
like all these things happen like out in the middle
of bumfuck nowhere. A lot of people saw these lights
in these sightings, and actually it's estimated that on this

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night alone it was seen by thousands of total witnesses.
And it was also seen at the San Francisco Mayor
Aldo Sutro, I believe, is how it would be pronounced.
It was seen at his house and was reported by
members of his domestic staff. So that's something that's going
to come up time and time again. And kind of

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these reports is a lot of people who were making
these claims were like well to do, well thought of,
well respected people in their community. It's not like, you know,
the neighborhood drunk was saying he saw something weird in
the sky. It was like politicians and military men and
things of that nature. So I think that kind of

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lends some credence and credibility to these sightings.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
And I mean, just to throw something else in there too.
I know I was talking earlier about the whole idea
about like unknown ships possibly like just stuff that people
are working on, and you got to take into consideration
like balloon like hot air balloon fires possibly or just
fires in general from these things like if people are
trying to you know, have a light for example or whatever.
So I mean, if there's only one specific case where

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somebody saw like a burning orb for example, or something
that was like super duper bright, you know, it definitely
could have been a hot air balloon on fire. But
if you're seeing multiple of these in different cities everywhere,
then it kind of throws out the possibility of that.
Also on top of the fact of again that these
things weren't all over the place at this time, So
I mean, it kind of adds some more validity to that.
And just to throw in another aspect of it breaking

(20:15):
down that last encounter. I mean, for no reason would
there be a reason for somebody that's like testing something
out to land try to grab somebody, put them in
their ship and then try to take off with them.
So that also kind of throws out the possibility of
it being people testing out inventions possibly off of that aspect,

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and again the seven foot tall and not being able
to move the guy, like if they were standard guys,
there's no reason why they wouldn't have been able to
move them. Like I don't know, Like I said, some
of these things can easily be explained with just unexplained inventions,
but like, I'm glad you put some of these ones
together because these kind of go into some of these
finite details that really can't just be explained away with
you know, lack of knowledge of you know, stuff that's

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flying in the air possibly.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And this was something that I was going to touch
on at the end, but I think this is kind
of a good point to throw it in here. But
you know, I think this could be another one of
those situations where there could be more than one thing
going on at the same time. There could be like
legitimate the radio like I mentioned, Yeah, extraterrestrial encounters and
visitations going on, but there's also you know, this guy

(21:22):
testing this new fangled technology. So I'm gonna save a
lot of my thoughts on you know, like the phenomena
wearing masks and things like that for the end of
the episode. But yeah, like we seem to be talking
about a lot here lately. I think this is a
perfect example of more than one thing can be true
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And just out of curiosity. Obviously, there's a lot of
like people diving into historical sightings of like UFOs for example,
but do you know if there's any like historical examples
that go back farther than this, as far as like
UFO abduction or anything like that goes, or is this
probably one of like the first ever documented cases of
possible UFO abduction.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
So a lot of the things I saw said that,
you know, some of these articles that we've discussed were
believed to be like some of the earliest versions of
you know, these type of encounters that were published. Obviously,
you know, going back to ancient times, there's people basically
telling these same stories. They're just talking about gods taking
them up, you know, in their chariots or whatever. But

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as far as like modern day sightings go, and things
that could be construed as alien abductions and visitations, it
seems like this kind of is like, you know, patient
zero for a lot of stuff that we would consider
the alien phenomenon nowadays.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
See And I'm kind of curious at that time if
it'd be one of those things that you wouldn't go
around telling people like you know, you go right, you
talk about like the seventies encounters, the fifties encounters, and
people kind of had an idea of things, and you know,
you go around saying you had a UFO abduction experience
and people think you're, you know, at batshit crazy. You
go back to like the eighteen hundreds, when I felt
like people were a little bit more open to weird
things like, you know, just bizarre these curiosities like you know,

(23:07):
the Kentucky meat shower for example, things like that. I'm
kind of curious if there's a lot more encounters that
people weren't reporting just because they didn't want to be scrutinized,
or if there really wasn't anything going on. And at
this time it was one of those times when everybody
was kind of like open about bizarre things because they
were a little bit more prone to wanting to like
research them. Because you know, this is around the time

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of spirituality too, so I'm sure that like that whole
aura of things was kind of being looked into as
like a whole and I'm sure that they probably would
have related that experience to something more on like a
spiritual realm than like a yeah, oh we have visitors
from UFO or from UFO's type of realm.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
But yeah, I think, like you said, I mean, back
in this time period, you know, people were probably more
likely to believe weird things going on. You know, nowadays,
we think we've got everything figured out with you know,
technology and science. We think we've got nothing left to discover.
You know, back in the eighteen hundreds, I feel like
people were more likely to entertain the idea of weird

(24:07):
things happening, and just on a practical level, like you
were saying, you know, if this weird thing happens in
a town thirty minutes down the road, it's possible that
you would have never even heard about that, you know,
just with how segmented things were back then, before you know,
even telephones and stuff like that. I mean, it seems

(24:27):
very likely to me that these kind of isolated incidents
that happened in a very specific area like the Kentucky
meat shower. You know, weird things like that could have
been happening all over the place, and unless you lived
in that exact geographic area, you could never know about it.
And then you know, those type of things could just
be lost to time and nobody knows about it. So yeah,

(24:48):
I think it's very possible that there was just a
lot of weird stuff going on that we have no
record of.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I mean, honestly, The reason that people really are able
to dive into that stuff now is because we have,
like the database of the Internet be able to kind
of look for like specific words, and we've uploaded all
of these different you know, like old newspaper articles and
everything up. So I mean, if it wasn't for that,
if it wasn't for the Internet, I mean, I still
think these things would be kind of like scattered because
we wouldn't have a means of being able to look
up look them up. I mean, honestly, we were still

(25:17):
discovering weird stuff because I mean you can look up
like key words, but if you don't necessarily know what
you're looking for, and it's like a weird event, you
don't know what words they use to describe it. It's
not like you can go into these new old newspapers
and type in UFOs you know you're gonna look up.
I mean even flying saucers. You can't even look up
flying saucers going back to the eighteen hundreds because that
wasn't part of like where would you even really start
with trying to find some of these experiences, you know,

(25:38):
like orbs in the sky, like you're gonna find like
a million different things that are not gonna ping, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, and that's something that I kind of had later
in the notes. But you know, a lot of these
cases that we're talking about tonight kind of did get
lost in history until like the sixties when ufologists discovered
a lot of these. So, you know, like you were saying,
if it wasn't for you know, the big wave of

(26:04):
ufology and you know, the UFO phenomenon that started in
the forties and you know went up through the sixties
and seventies, a lot of these would probably be lost
and we'd have no real historical record of these things.
And it just so happened that, you know whatever, fifty sixty,
seventy years ago, these stories were probably still current enough

(26:26):
that people could find this information, be it in newspapers
or just you know, word of mouth or whatever. But
you know, nowadays, we couldn't find anything that happened in
you know, the eighteen hundreds unless we had the Internet
to look it up. So I mean, like you said,
I think there's an unknown amount of stories and encounters
that have just been lost that will never know about that.

(26:48):
You know, there's probably some really cool stuff that happened
that we just don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I mean, in all fairness, dude, the like I had
found out that there's a library in my area that
has one of these sections. But there's like the section
that goes back to the beginning of like when the
town first started up, and it has like all the
old newspapers, all the old books, like even diaries and
journals from people that were around at the time. So
it's like stuff like that that's never even been uploaded
to like an archive because it's so localized, like it

(27:13):
makes you wonder how much there might actually be. And
even diving into those things. I mean, when people are
looking Toto the stuff in the sixties, assumably this was
probably how they were finding this stuff, you know, is
you could actually go up and like look through this
stuff and search some of this stuff. Now you know,
it's twenty twenty five and you're looking at stuff from
like the late eighteen hundreds. Now that's stuff that you
probably wouldn't even have access to being able to touch,

(27:35):
because that's getting to the point where if people are
touching and it's going to start falling apart. So it's
like it makes you wear how much gold might be
sitting in the back of these local libraries that are
stuff that you can't touch unless you have a library
and come up and like, you know, open it with
gloves with you for example.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
You know, well, I like we talk about all the time,
like stuff that you know is just worded differently, and
people at the time probably didn't even realize what they
were seeing and what they were describing. And now if
we went back and looked at it through the lens
of today and our technology and our mindset would be like,
oh my god, they're totally talking about an alien encounter

(28:10):
or a big or whatever it might be, but encounter, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But that's a really good point, like how many of
these kind of stories we could find if we just
had the ability to do it, and what light would
that shed on just the phenomenon.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
As a whole. We apologize, guys for the interference.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
But we will be right back and now back to
the show.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
All right, So now we're going to kind of get
into the eighteen ninety seven wave of mystery airship sightings,
and this kind of began in February of that year,
and at this point, these sightings started to be reported
across the Midwest. So like we said, they started in
California and after a few months started popping up in

(29:04):
your neck of the woods in the Midwest. So, on
February second, the Omaha b newspaper reported an airship siting
over Hastings, Nebraska, and on February fifth, so just a
few days later, they published a follow up article that
reported that the same airship or a very similar one

(29:26):
had been seen again, this time like forty miles away
in a town called Enveil, Nebraska. Also, there was a
newspaper called the Albion Weekly News, and it was based
out of Albion, Nebraska. And this is kind of cool.
I think. It reported that two locals claimed to see

(29:46):
this airship like kind of crash land, but when like
the airship should have made impact with the ground, it
suddenly disappeared, and in its place, a strange man appeared,
like where the craft should have crashed, and he allegedly
showed these two guys this small box that he had

(30:06):
and it enabled him to shrink the airship small enough
to fit into his pocket. So I think that's a
pretty yeah, I think that's a pretty cool little encounter.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
There, Like what airship? I didn't see anything? What are
you talking about nothing happened here. You should have played
it off differently. He could have just been like, I
just see nothing. I don't know what you're talking about.
I've been here the whole time. I don't see nothing. Crash.
You guys are fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
But no why.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I thought this was kind of interesting when we talked
about the flat Woods Monster, you know, a long time
ago at this point, one of the kind of you know,
antillary stories around the flat Woods Monster was this encounter.
And some of the details I'm probably not going to
get right, but the main gist of it I will.

(30:48):
There was this encounter where these two girls I think,
saw like this strange or ball of light, ball of fire,
what have you, in the sky, and it did a
similar thing like kind of landed and then turned into
like a black dog like creature. And then this dog
like creature turned into like a humanoid creature. So again,

(31:11):
that makes you kind of wonder about things like orbs
and the sasquatch connections and what could some of these
things really actually be and what could their true nature
be the.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Whole idea of the others, Like, I know people hate
hearing that, but it's like the more I dive into
the phenomenon. Man, I just wonder if it's just like
we're existing, we're coexisting with this thing that's beyond physical existence,
and once you are able to get past physical existence,
you can manipulate physical existence and just it's almost like

(31:40):
a like I don't know I've related this to a
bunch of different sci fi shit, but like they have
stuff like that in like Star Trek and like a
bunch of different sci fi stuff about these Like again,
once you're beyond like the physical it's like going up dimension,
you can manipulate the dimension lower. So it's like, you
know the reason why all of them fit in, the
reason why orbs are all connected, Like the orbs are
what they are, and then they just turn into what
they want to turn into. And I mean that could

(32:01):
definitely explain the constantly changing and moving phenomenon. I mean,
you know, maybe we're not dealing with sasquatch, extraterrestrials, ghosts,
but just rather this other thing that existed on the
planet that may have been you know, our civilization that
came before us, and then they just adapted past being
physical and they've still existed in this space and they

(32:21):
just they just mess with us now because we're.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, that's kind of the whole John Keel ultra terrestrial
theory in a nutshell right there. You know, there's this
other unforeseen force, uh, phenomenon, entities, whatever you want to
call it, that has been interacting with humanity forever and
like you said, kind of exerting their will on us
and basically just fucking with So I mean, yeah, everything.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
You said is straight out of Kiel goes right back
to the trickster thing man, Like maybe the whole other
is like tricksters. I mean, when you live in a
time when you're like just just a weird thing to
think about. Like there is a there's an Orville episode
that kind of talks this. It talks about these beings
that have moved like beyond physical existence to the point
where they're just like infinitely within like time and space.

(33:07):
And in turn, with this time and space, it's like
they need to find ways to like entertain themselves. So
they wanted to know like what death would feel like
in this episode, so they basically took the crew, they
put them in this place and they didn't know where
they were, they didn't know what was happening. And they
were all dying off one by one, and they were
trying to experience that like through their perspective. So it's
not that anybody was going to get hurt, that anybody

(33:29):
was going to die. It's just that they could manipulate
reality and they wanted to see different experiences from different perspectives.
So I mean that could be the same thing with this,
you know, the whole trickster entity thing. It's not that
they're necessarily tricksters. It's just that they're trying to see
and experience things from different angles because you know, once
you don't have death as an option, like, you're not
really like working towards I have this time to finish

(33:49):
this goal. You're kind of just mundanely existing and experimenting
with things for the sake of experimenting with things. So
I mean, you know, it doesn't make sense to us,
like why they would just want to jump out of
the woods and scare us, abduct us and mess with
us and freak us out. But you know, to something
that's infinitely doesn't have time as a factor. I mean, yeah,
that could just be like this is what we do,
just this is how we entertain ourselves. This is how

(34:10):
this is our purpose, this is what we do.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
They're just bored and trying to entertain them.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
So yeah, it's just like it's a hard thing to explain.
That's just their purpose. You know.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Like but wouldn't that be like the most ironic answer
to all this ever, is you know, we put all
these big, like headi weighty ideas and themes on this
and now it's just this other thing just bored and
fucking with. I mean, you know, wouldn't that be like
the perfect truth or explanation for all.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
This simplicity is bliss?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Man?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I mean that might be everybody's creating these super duper
complicated answers. Like maybe it's a lot more simple than
people realize. Like maybe it's just we're adding all these
interdimensional theories all this other crazy stuff on. It's just
they're non physical things that exist around us, and they
just had their tricksters. They have fun. They just messed
with us. They need to. We are their entertainment. It's

(34:57):
the same as you know when you have ants and
you kind of like block off path and you watch
them with the other way, and then you block off
the path and watch them go another way, and then
you throw them atreat and you watch them, you know,
just take apart the sugar and go off to what
they're doing, Like same thing. You know, you're just you're
entertaining yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, hey, I feel really sorry for these sons of
bitches if they've got to like watch us pay our
taxes and like renew our driver's license and things like that.
So hey, the jokes on them.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
But it's to them that might be fascinating. They're just
sitting there like these these things only have a set
amount of time. We have infinite time, and we don't
do these things. These things have a set amount of time,
and they're spending their set amount of time doing shit
they hate. Like why this is why we must study them.
Why do they spend all of their time doing things
that they despise? This is fascinating, Like this is their

(35:40):
interest is because we do this to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, I mean, it's kind of interesting when you really
think about it. But it's a couple more little encounters
that we can talk about before we jump into theories.
So shortly after the last encounter that we read, there
are three men from Texas and they claimed that they
had an encounter with an airship and quote five peculiarly.

(36:06):
Peculiarly that's really hard to say. Cularly dressed men who
asserted that they were descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.
Not going to comment on that because I don't want
to get us canceled. But this is kind of interesting.
And they had learned English from the fifteen fifty three

(36:27):
North Pole expedition led by Hugh Willoughby. And it's just
like some like British explorer, you know, Arctic adventurer type guy.
But what I thought was kind of interesting, and obviously
you'll know where I'm going with this. Our recent Operation
high Jump episode I think kind of makes this really

(36:49):
cool and noteworthy and interesting. And you know, it's just
a short, little blip, but that's why I threw it
in here, because this connection with kind of like aliens,
extraterrestrial craft, things of that nature, and the Arctic and
Arctic expeditions.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Also just a weird thing to throw in here with
the descendants of the tribe was of Israel. That could
they could just be using that as like a like
a phrase like we're ancient ones, we've been here forever,
we're descendant ones, like they might not be using that
as like literal as people are taking it, or even
on the other flip side. I mean you get into
the whole like ancient aliens thing. You know, like here's
an idea, you know, maybe all of these ancient religions

(37:24):
were based around aliens to begin with. So maybe you know,
the uh, the Lost Tribes of Israel were some type
of extraterrestrials. I mean, there's theories out there suggesting it.
I mean, I'm not saying their mind, but they're out there.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I can't remember which one is, like Moses or Noah,
one of the two, I can't remember. But you know,
the Bible like specifically says this guy was like pale
and had red hair, which somebody living in that part
of the world theoretically shouldn't. So that gets back to
ideas like Nephelom and you know, could this guy have
actually been an alien?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
So yeah, and they were living to hundreds of years
old too, just to throw that.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
In there, Yeah exactly. Yeah. So, and I definitely think
there's you know, a lot to look into there. And
you know, I love like looking at these old ancient
texts and stories and legends, being like, Okay, what could
this actually mean in like quote unquote real world terms
or just you know, through the lens of how we
look at things today. And I think that's a perfect example.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Like I said, they could just be saying that they're
the ancient ones or like they've been here for a
long time. Like they might not be using it as literal,
but rather just trying to use an expression that would
make sense to the people of the time, because I
mean I'm sure that you know, if it was now,
they might be using a totally different terminology for something.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
You know, like the space Brothers or something like that.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, because during this time, like I was mentioning, earlier,
people were a lot more linked with religion, like this
was eighteen ninety seven area, So I mean, yeah, the
only way that they could probably have a conversation with
somebody and have it make sense to them where they're
not going to be horrified is if they connected to
their religion and mention that there's something from their religion.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
No, for sure, I mean that was probably like most
people's you know, kind of most important crucial thing in
their life at that point was religion.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
So you know, if I don't say I'm part of
the goods. They're gonna assume that I'm a demon. Like
you gotta differentiate this real quick.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It would make sense to kind of cast yourself through
that lens, all right, So one more quick little encounter here.
So on April nineteenth of eighteen ninety seven, Uh, there
was a report that came out of Leroy, Kansas and
allegedly a local farmer observed like this airship hovering over

(39:31):
his cowpin and he claimed that there's like this red
cable coming down from the bottom of the airship and
it was like tied around one of his cows.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Sounds like We're of the World's like the movie, yeah,
not the not the book, but the movie.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah. Yeah. But what's kind of interesting is this cable
had like become stuck in the fence of the cowpin,
and the farmer claimed that to like try to save
his cow, he had to go and like break off
this part of the fence. Well, when he did that
and the cow had been freed, the farmer quote stood

(40:05):
in amazement to see the ship, cow and all rise
off slowly and sail away. And so it's been speculated
that this is kind of like one of the earliest
reported cases of like a cattle mutilation slash abduction type situation.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And early technology. They're not using a tractor beam yet,
they're using like a literal red grapple.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
But it should kind of be noted. I saw from
you know, multiple accounts that this story was like supposedly
extremely fake and a hoax and just totally made up,
and it was allegedly debunked in nineteen seventy seven by
a ufologist named Jerome Clark. So you know, take that

(40:46):
one with a grain of salt. But I thought it
was fun enough to throw in here. You sure about that?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I am?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
That I am. But anyway, so kind of like around
May of eighteen ninety seven, that's when a lot of
these Western sidings of these airships kind of petered out,
and basically the phenomenon died at that point, you know,
just as quickly as it started, it died out. So
it lasted from like November to February. So we're talking

(41:13):
about a pretty you know, relatively small period of time
where these things were reported. But like we said, thousands
of people saw them, thousands of individual sightings, So.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Something weird to think about just to point out here.
Go ahead, So eighteen sixty seven, the next big wave
sixty years later, right, and then it starts up two thousand.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
This is like eighteen ninety six or eighteen ninety seven, eighteen.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Ninety six, eighteen ninety seven, so roughly like sixty years
later or so was about the time when like the
UFO abductions were happening. So jump fast forward again, we're
about another sixty years later, and there's a bunch of
new UFO stuff coming out. So why does it appear
that there's like flaps every sixty years, just a weird
little thing to throw in here.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean that could be one of those nothing
new under the sun type things, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
So is there gonna be another big flaps years from now?
Like this is all going to trickle out, all the UFOs.
I mean, it's already starting to trickle out as far
as like the government talking about it like.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
You're gonna have blown up the world by another sixty years.
There's no way that's gonna happen. Now, you're just talking crazy.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Hey, according to all the people that were seeing in
the future, you know, we're done after World War three?
Well it's right on our fucking doorstep.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So there you go.

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(42:49):
available down in the show description. And we're with the
High Strangers. Let's get back into it, all right. So
now we're going to jump into some kind of thoughts
and theories. And this I left a little more open
ended than kind of a lot of our episodes. I

(43:11):
thought that we could have some kind of good back
and forth on this, just you know, the subject matter
I thought lended itself to more of a open conversation
than as structured as I do the notes a lot.
But anyway, so throughout the years, there's been like numerous
attempts made to explain, you know, what was going on
with these airship sightings. And there's this Welsh historian and

(43:33):
writer named Mike dash and he said, quote, the general
conclusion of investigators was that a considerable number of the
simpler sightings were misidentification of planets and stars, and a
large number of the more complex the result of hoaxes
and practical jokes. Small residium there you go, A small

(43:55):
residium remains perplexing. So at the time, I'm kind of
the prevailing theory seems to be that these were like actual,
you know, real genuine airships that people were seeing, and
it was speculated that some sort of like genius inventor
had developed uh, you know, one or multiple crafts and
was taking it on like a transcontinental series of test flights.

(44:20):
And I thought it was kind of funny of like,
at the time, so many people thought that like Thomas
Edison had created this thing that he had to like
come out and make this like strongly worded statement denying
that he was responsible for these sightings.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
So just to throw in another possible theory, and I
don't know it just it made me think of it
because he mentioned the stars and planets, And I don't
know if this is one of your suggested theories. Soulfully,
I don't jump too far ahead, but you know, the
possibility of maybe there was some type of like asteroid
or something that was breaking apart at the time and
people were seeing it all over the place and it
just looked like giant burning balls. But by the time
it broke down and made it all the way through

(44:57):
the atmosphere, you know, maybe it didn't fully you know,
it didn't leave any type of giant impact like that
doesn't explain the sightings of course, with like people getting
out of ships or anything like that. But you know,
maybe the big sightings where people were seeing all these
different lights all over all these different cities. I mean,
it might be possible that maybe because we didn't have
the advancements in technology to understand you know, media coming

(45:17):
in and breaking apart, you know, maybe some of these
sightings could have potentially been some type of like you know,
meteor impacts that were kind of coming in around a
certain period from something that broke apart in space at
the time.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, I'm sure, you know, just mathematically statistically, you're right
some of these probably were meteorites or something of that nature. Yeah.
Funny enough, this is like one of the few things
I've researched and put together for a show that like
the number one prevailing theory is and oh it's meteors,
you know, like I are bullied in thee Yeah, well
we're gonna get to a little bit of that. But no,

(45:49):
I actually didn't see anybody suggest that they were meteors.
But like you said, I mean, it's probably mathematically likely
that some of these were something as mundane as that,
you know.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Or I mean even on the flip side, he were
talking about something flying under another phenomenon. I mean, if
there was a meteor breaking up and potentially causing these
lights in the sky, if there's extra treshols around, maybe
they were like, fuck it, let's fly in while these
things are happening. Or maybe the extra tresholds are here
because of an interest in whatever broke up, Like maybe
they were following whatever broke up, and once it broke up,
they were like, we're here already, let's check out what's
going on down there.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah all right, So kind of jumping back in this
like genuine airship theory. It also has support like in
the modern day, it's not just like what people at
the time thought. Uh So there's this two thousand and
four book called Solving the eighteen ninety seven Airship Mystery,
and it's by an author named Michael Bisbee, and in

(46:44):
it he quote analyzed observed flight paths and air speeds
from old newspaper accounts and found the evidence consistent with
three separate airships flying in the Texas Skies. Research led
him to conclude that they were built in Iowa by
a group of people originally from California. So obviously I

(47:04):
didn't buy this book to read it and corroborate these sightings,
but that sounds like a lot of information that would
be easy to disprove, So you know, there could be
something to these claims that this guy is making. But
on the flip side, a lot of people have noted
that while there were like genuine airships at the time,

(47:26):
they were kind of few and far between, and a
lot of them, you know, the capabilities that they had
were far less than what was reported in a lot
of these sightings. So you know, kind of take that
with a grain of salt on you know, both sides
of the coin.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I mean, just to throw it in there too, just
to kind of correlate it with something else we talked
about recently, like Coral Castle. Like clearly that guy figured
something out and he kept it to himself. It was
a mystery that kind of went and was gone with him.
Definitely possible with another group at this time, you know,
like we dive into this weird ancient teke people get

(48:00):
into the whole thing about like why is there all
these symbolism with these beetles that don't seem like they
should be able to fly? Like, you know, maybe there
is some validity too. There was a group that maybe
kind of figured out one of these ancient secrets, almost
like the Coral Castle thing, there's a pocket of them
doing their weird thing and it kind of died out.
It wasn't like Coral Castle that there was this monument
built to whatever this weird thing was. It was just

(48:21):
these guys that figured out how to create like a
zero gravity device, and once they stopped using it, that
was the end of it. You know. I mean, it's
definitely possible if somebody figured something out and it just
went and died with them.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I think that's a great point. You know, like you said,
with Coral Castle, this thing still exists, you know, like
it's there, people can go visit it to this day.
We know it exists and we know this guy built
this thing. So whether you know, he had some otherworldly
esoteric knowledge or technology that allowed him to do it,
or he was just you know, an engineering construction genius,

(48:54):
you know, that remains to be determined, but or just looked.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
At an ancient page and it's just he had one
of those minds that it just made to him. I
feel like a lot of these ancient secrets just take
the right eyes looking at it and it's like, oh, okay,
that makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah. And in the same way, we obviously don't have
these you know, mystery airships sitting in a museum somewhere today,
but it could be a similar situation where it could
be just like you said, these people or individual or
whatever who figured some shit out before everybody else did.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Or I mean, even on another flip side, just to
kind of correlate this with not being so like out
and mysterious, everybody knows that like Leonardo da Vinci was
working out a bunch of these weird airships, and they
know he was really into like the weird occult stuff, symbolism,
hiding secrets within his writings. You know, maybe these guys
were digging into some old Leonardo da Vinci writings, and
they were figuring out how to use some of his

(49:43):
airships because from some of the descriptions that I've heard
of these, they kind of seem almost kind of reminiscent
of what you'd imagine some of these like da Vinci
airships would have looked like. So, I mean, maybe it
wasn't that they were looking into like a cult Egyptian shit,
but they were just looking into old you know, da
Vinci writing, and again something just made sense to that,
you know, they connected something.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, I mean I definitely think that's possible.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I mean, or they can see added a missing piece
that he didn't have.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Possibly, Yeah. I mean we see these like crazy technological
breakthroughs all the time. You know, they say, like technology
and innovation is not just a steady continuum, like it's
fits and starts, and then you know somebody will, like
you say, look at something with fresh eyes, or discovered
this new little piece that kind of unlocks these huge advances.
So yeah, I mean I think that's a very real possibility,

(50:31):
and you know, a good theory to throw out there.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I mean, I had somebody on Inquiries recently that was
talking about this. It was a new way of connecting EVP.
But basically he said that he discovered it from writings
from like eighteen fifty something, and the way that he
was trying to explain it, it didn't necessarily fully work
with like the technology they had at the time. So
he took that idea, added it with modern technology and

(50:54):
basically discovered a way that you can have auditory EVPs
like as you're talking like, he basically found a way
to run through this program using this single track thing
and make it so that you could talk to it
and have it respond right away. The technology was there,
like the person understood the concept, but it was a
matter of new fresh eyes with new technology on it
that it made sense and it worked. Same thing for

(51:15):
these Again, you're looking at these ancient writings of airships
da Vinci whoever was writing them, and the theory of
it made sense at the time, but they didn't have
the technology to make that practical in work. Somebody later
on takes it, and it's not even that they discovered
anything crazy or secret or anything like that. It just
a matter that they were the person that found it,
and they said, oh, you add this piece of what
we have today and this thing's going to work now,

(51:37):
like it may not be as crazy as these people
are looking through occult writing, but rather that they were
just like, all right, if you added this piece of
modern technology to this, this would work and boom, there
you go. You have something that floats in some type
of airship. Because the technology for something that floats and
flies like isn't that crazy, Like that's why people figured
it out early nineteen hundred, So this was around that
time when people were clearly working on this stuff behind

(51:59):
the scenes.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Well and bringing it back around to kind of the
UFO phenomenon. And you know, all you listeners out there,
you know, I know, people's mileage varies on him. And
so take this with a grand salt. But like Bob
Lazar has said, we understand theoretically like the alien propulsion system,
we just can't replicate it. So I mean that's kind

(52:22):
of the same thing you're talking about here, Like theoretically
you can understand the technology and how something operates and
how it works, but you just not quite there to
make it happen. So yeah, I mean, I think that's
a really interesting thought. And it could be, like we said,
a piece that can unlock a lot of these mysteries
that we talk about on the show is you know,

(52:43):
maybe they're not as out there and strange as we
think they are. And we talk about all the time,
how you know, one person's magic is another person's technology,
and this is just kind of par for that course.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Hey, one day, man, maybe it'll theoretically be possible that
we have time machines and we'll actually be able to
go back and explain these But like I was mentioning
on the spring Hill jack one, like I mentioned the
Kentucky meat shower, it's one of those ones that it's
just it'll always drive you crazy because it's one of
those ones that you know will never get figured out
because the farther we get away from it in time,
the less likely that is. And we haven't figured it

(53:15):
out yet, so it's like it'll always remain a mystery
unless we somehow create a time machine, which you know,
there's a lot of theories on that not even potentially
ever being possible. So I mean still drives me crazy,
like why I would just want to figure these things out?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
You know, Hey, some things it's okay not to know.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
It's fun to create theories about it because then you
can't be proved wrong, right.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
So jumping back in hoaxes and publicity stunts have also
been kind of, you know, blamed for a lot of
these sidings, if you will. And it's been said that
balloons or kites with candles or lanterns tied to them
could be responsible for some of the simpler sidings.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
So I'm gonna throw that in. That's gonna be a
regular rotation.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Now, okay, just kind of you know what you were
saying earlier.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
We're gonna use that anytime the idea of weather, balloons, balloons,
ballgat ball lightning, any of those are brought up. It's
just like you sure about that?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
You sure about that. So it's also been said that
some of the more like complex sightings with the different
individuals and the actual you know, airships and craft could
have been the result of quote enterprising reporters perpetuating journalistic hoaxes.
And people have said that a lot of these articles
are kind of easy to spot because they have like

(54:29):
a very tongue in cheap tone and they have an
accent on the sensational. And that kind of goes back
to the first encounter that we were talking about, the
one in Sacramento, California, whereas you know, widely reported in
the newspapers at the time, but they all had like
a very jokey kind of bend to the articles.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I mean, even to bring it into like the fifties, dude,
like we're talking about like the the Hopskinfield Goblins. You know,
they didn't report on that very accurately. That's where the
whole term little green men came for. They started reporting
on them as little green men. Because journalistic integrity people
have to take into consideration was a lot different back
then than it is now. Now. People get fact checked,
they're held responsible if they report anything wrong. Back then,

(55:12):
people were still kind of held responsible, but you know,
you could get away with these crazy out there stories,
and you could also hoax things way easier because you
didn't have people tearing it apart with you know, AI
and everything else now. So it's like with a lot
of these early stories. That's the also hard differentiation is
the journalists because there again it's you don't know what

(55:34):
the mindset of the journalist was. And it was also
relatively known that there was a lot of journalists that
would stage hoaxes for the fact of having a good story.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Well, and apart from hoax, is something that I came
across multiple times doing the research for this is at
this point in time, there's this thing phenomenon whatever called
and I didn't include this in the notes because I
don't know if this is like a racial slur or not,
but it was called yellow journalism, and it was basically
this idea that people would print kind of out there

(56:06):
crazy stories that like everybody knew, we're out there crazy
stories and were just made up to kind of be entertaining.
But you know, they did appear in newspapers beside real accounts,
but you know, everybody was kind of of the understanding
this is kind of a joke, you know, tongue in
cheek thing. So again, like you said, the further removed
we get from these times, that becomes harder and harder

(56:29):
to discern because, like you said, now where everything is
just fact checked and fake news to death, you know,
something like that would never you know, get past the
censors and everything else. But you know, back then, this
was a totally normal thing that happened, and everybody just
understood and realized and you know, probably wouldn't give it
a second thought. But now you know, one hundred years later,

(56:52):
people discovering that same thing would take it, you know,
as gospel. So just another interesting thing to think about
in these old, you know, outdated stories that we just
might not know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah, I mean, just to throw it in there. I
don't know if it's necessarily a racial thing, because I
just out of curiosity, I looked up yellow bellied and
usually it's you know, an expression used for things that
are people are easily frightened and lacking bravery. So the
term yellow journalism could have caused could have been from
using the term yellow bellied saying like frightening journalism, like
stuff that's going to frighten you. But even with that,

(57:27):
like I was kind of leading to the point of,
you know, at this time, people didn't have TVs, they
didn't have you know, they were entertained by stories. They're
entertained by people telling stories, They're entended by reading stories,
just stories in general. So I think people were a
lot more lenient on the journalism if it gave them
a good story just for the sake of that was
also their means of entertainment at the time. So I mean,

(57:49):
the whole yellow journalism could have came from frightening journalism,
which could have been viewed at that time as like
entertainment to begin with, because it was frightening journalism, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And kind of bringing it back to something we talked
about on our last episode of Bizarre Inquiries, you know,
this is kind of the whole Hunter S. Thompson idea
of like gonzo journalism, where like it kind of blurs
the lines between fact and you know fiction, and you know,
are these stories are they auto biographical? So I mean,
I think it's kind of funny. We literally just talked

(58:21):
about that and I didn't kind of put those pieces
together till we were just talking it out here. But
you know, this idea now we just assume anything that's
you know, printed and considered quote unquote news, it's supposed
to be one hundred percent you know, factual, and if
it's not, people get pissed off and revolt. And you
know that seems to be just from you know, the

(58:43):
past couple of things we've talked about relatively new concept.
You know, people were obviously in you know, olden times
much more you know, kind of liberal with their you know,
thoughts and ideas and what they're willing to accept from
quote unquote news sources.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I mean another way of possibly going about it to
is you kind of have to get a feel for
like the writer because obviously, like if you read Hunter S.
Thompson out of context, you're just gonna assume that he's
reporting things factually as a journalist or a reporter would
exactly how they are. So I mean you kind of
have to put some time into possibly looking at who
wrote the articles, what newspaper was possibly coming from, and

(59:22):
kind of view the track record of like that writer
as a whole. Like if you have this writer that
writes about, you know, stuff going on with farmers. This
local farmer got his cow stolen, you know, this local
farmer or whatever, this local farmer blah blah blah, there's
gonna be rain, and then all of a sudden they
write the story about this local farmer saw this weird
thing and it took one of his took one of
his cows. Then maybe that's something to look into, because
that's not typically something in the writing form. But if

(59:44):
you have somebody that's you know, from these early nineteen
hundreds and they're like here's the giant, here's this, here's that,
here's this, here's that. I mean, they definitely could have
been a person that was just interested in the phenomenon.
But on the flip side, you got to also take
into consideration that they were just trying to chase the
craziest stories and turn probably cleaning telephone with them a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah. I mean, like you said, if you've got someone
who's considered like this literary you know, journalistic figurehead, giant whatever,
like Hunter S. Thompson, it's easy to go back and
kind of get that body of work and make those
you know, make those calls on things. But if you've
got this random small town journalist from the eighteen hundreds,

(01:00:23):
you know, it's not so easy to go back and
quote unquote fact check those sort of things. So here again,
just another thing in these sort of situations that's probably
lost to time at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, honestly, all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Right, guys, we got to take another break. We'll be
right back, and now we're getting back to the bizarre.
All right, So we've gone kind of along this episode,
but I figured we'd have some good conversation with this one.
So I'll kind of try to breeze through some of

(01:00:57):
the miscellaneous and conclusions and we can kind of share
our thoughts here to wrap up. But like we've kind
of talked about, a lot of these sightings and encounters
were reported by newspapers nationwide, but a lot of these reports,
many of the eyewitnesses were quote openly mocked and ridiculed,

(01:01:19):
dismissing them as drunks, fools, and liars. So here again,
nothing new under the sun. That's exactly how we treat
people who see UFOs, encryptids and weird things now. So
I thought that was kind of interesting. I just had
to throw that quote in there just because it's as
timely as ever now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
And it just to throw in another part too. At
these times, think about how easy it was to have
somebody just like thrown into in a saying asylum. It's
not like now where it's like, all right, they're being
held against their will, we can only hold them for
twenty four hours. It was like, my wife's fucking crazy,
she needs to be put in here, and her writes
are stripped and she's just in there. So I think
that's something else people take it in consideration at that time,
is how easily they could have all their rights stripped

(01:01:55):
and thrown into in a say, an asylum.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Well that's kind of a good segue into the next
thing we're going to talk about. So at the time,
there was this San Francisco attorney and his name was
George Collins, and he came forward and said that several
months prior to, you know, the start of the sightings,
he was contacted by a local dentist named E. H. Benjamin,
and allegedly this Benjamin fellow was seeking legal counsel regarding

(01:02:22):
the world's a first practical airship, and this Collins guy
made these claims to like multiple newspapers, but he became
like the subject of ridicule in the community, and he
was nicknamed Airship Collins, which you know, isn't bad as
far as nicknames go. I think it's kind of catchy.
But anyway, he was kind of forced to later recant

(01:02:44):
this story and he retreated from public view. So, like
you said, I mean, as bad as you know, people
are ridiculed for things like this. Nowadays, at least we've
got like the Internet and podcasts and platforms where you know,
people can tell stories without fear of ridicule. Back then,
like like you said, you might as well just have
been considered crazy and possibly you know, institutionalized.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
You just out of curiosity because that was in San Francisco.
Do you think that that's where some of the inspiration
came from for the for Jefferson Airship, Jefferson Starship, that
whole band maybe was from that guy's nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I didn't see anything about that, but it seems possible.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I mean, San Francisco, that's where they came from. Acid wave.
I mean, they're definitely into ufo psychedelics. I mean I
never put two and two together, but maybe that's where
the name came from.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
No, No, that's that's a good point. So I got
one more little blip, kind of piggybacking off that last one.
So there was a former California Attorney general and his
name was William Henry Harrison Hart, which is a mouthful.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I was about to say, that's a mouthful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, they could have done some editing on that name.
He's one less middle name. But anyway, he came forward
saying that he was contacted also by the inventor slash
inventors of the airship, and he made a lot of
kind of like outlandish claims, but he said that the

(01:04:08):
inventors were in fact this eh Benjamin Fellow who we
just talked about, and another individual that he referred to
only as doctor Catlin. But this guy like also later
recanted his story and retreated from public view. But what's
kind of interesting about him is before he did that,
he had like an interview with a local newspaper and

(01:04:30):
he said that he was like this amateur tinkerer and inventor.
And this George Collins guy that we talked about in
the previous encounter was his attorney. So there's a lot
of weird connections and synchronicities there. But you know, like
we said, this was a long time ago, we basically
have no idea what connection, if any, these two guys

(01:04:52):
Collins and William Henry Harrison Hart had to like the
airship phenomenon or the possible inventors of it. But those
are just two kind of things that I picked out
because I thought it was kind of interesting to point out,
you know, as much as things change, they also really
stayed the same. And people who report seeing these weird
things are you know, very subject to ridicule.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
I mean it could either be one the whole aspect
of you know, a sasquatch sighting happens and somebody pops
out and goes, I was the guy in the suit
when they obviously weren't the guy in the suit. Or
on the flip side, you literally have like I was
kind of mentioning earlier a coral castle situation where this
guy's like, no, dude, I figured something out here. It
is it was me the whole time, and just because
it seems like it was so ridiculous, like people aren't

(01:05:35):
gonna believe it, you know, like that at a certain point,
it's kind of one of those things that if a
weird phenomenon happens and somebody comes out and they explain
it and they have all these things that are just like, yes,
it was me, Like people enjoy the mystery. Like I
feel like there's still gonna be a huge faction that
doesn't believe it, regardless of the information that you put
in front of them. And I'm not saying this guy
came out and said here's my fucking airshit, but like, yeah,

(01:05:55):
just in general, I mean, I feel like the only
way to practically go about that, which you wouldn't be
able to do now, is to say, like, all right,
recreate it, let's see and I think saying now you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah. I feel like in things like this, there's always
going to be people out there who are just you know,
trying to get attention. It kind of reminds me of
like with these like high profile murders and killings like
John Benet Ramsey type stuff. There's always gonna be these
fucking weirdos who come out and like claim they did
it when obviously, like we know they didn't do it.
But you know, these are just people trying to get attention.

(01:06:30):
And you know, it's kind of similar to that. I mean,
whenever something weird that gets a lot of notoriety happens,
there's always going to be fucking weirdos who want to
take advantage of that. For whatever reason, they want to
take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Man, they needed Georgio back then, so we could just
hit them with the here's an idea, Hailey.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
All right, So kind of rounding everything out, you know
a lot of these thoughts and theories I'm going to
throw in to kind of tie us up our things
we've already talked about. But it's it's kind of funny
to me, like the number of sightings during this wave
that were reported by like well respected, high profile people.
We talked about the politicians and the military men and

(01:07:10):
things of that nature, and you know, thousands of individual
reports were made and it's been estimated that you know,
as many as one hundred thousand individual witnesses might have
seen something. So that's you know a lot of people,
a lot of well respected people who saw things. So
I mean that leaves me to believe that something was
going on even if you you know, take out all

(01:07:32):
the sensationalized newspaper articles and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
I mean, regardless of the amount of people that see it,
like there's still stuff that just lives in obscurity, like
just another prime more recent event, like the stuff of
the O'Hare airport, Like how many witnesses saw UFOs of
the ahair Airport, yet it still lives in obscurity. Like
there's a lot of these recent sightings where there's like
one hundred, like a hundred people will see it and
it's still oh yeah, which it just gets thrown off

(01:07:58):
like it's not a mainstream news thing like the airport sighting. Dude,
that should have been on the front page of every
single newspaper across the world. But boo just thrown off.
You know, it doesn't matter the amount of amount of
people that actually saw this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Well, you know, and we're weirdos, you know, stuff like
the Miami alien thing that happened a year or so
ago or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Like I'm sure most people forgot about that already exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Stuff that's like huge in our little circle, in our
little community that you know, just makes everybody go crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
For what like that that's not for another one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Stuff like that. Well, it's been like twenty minutes since
you talk about the face peelers so well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
For me, yes, but you know, like I've been on
that ship for like a year and a half, and
it's just like even in the community, bro, I'd barely
hear anybody mention it, like that was a crazy fucking story,
Like that was unfolding as we were talking about it,
that people are getting snatched out of the woods by
these people on fucking people flying like hoverboards, and it's
just like, how is that not everywhere? Like that's crazy

(01:08:56):
to me?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, And you know, like you said, you don't even
hear much about that in like the paranormal alien community now,
so like the you know, larger world as a whole
that was barely a blip on the radar.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Even if it was humans, Like a lot of people
are theorizing because of like the main girl that had
the experience that you know, she actually got away from
these things and heard him speaking Spanish and stuff. Even
if it was humans, it's still just as fascinating, Like
what the hell type of technology do they have? Why
were they trying to peel people's faces off? Like, it
doesn't matter if it was human, it like, don't throw
it off. It's still just as fascinating, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah, I mean there's always something to unpack in these
sort of stories, no matter how ridiculous they seem. And
you know, I think this is a perfect example of it.
Like I say, there's always some nugget of truth in
most of these weird, crazy encounters and sightings and stories.
And you know, this is a perfect example of a

(01:09:52):
lot of things we've talked about on the show, you know,
like the phenomenon wearing masks and presenting itself differently at
different points in time, and these ideas that the technology
always seems like slightly ahead of what we currently have,
but it's like something that we can comprehend. So you know,
back then they had these airships, and then it was
like kind of the you know, rocket ship space men idea,

(01:10:14):
and then Betty and Barney Hill and the Grays, and
then that was kind of the prevailing excuse me, idea
of extraterrestrials. So, you know, just a lot of random
thoughts there. But the thing that I really wanted to
kind of make my go home point on is, like

(01:10:35):
we said, I'm sure a lot of these things were
fabricated by newspapers. I'm sure a lot of these lights
were totally normal, easily explainable, natural phenomenon. The thing that's
so interesting about this story to me is, you know,
this whole idea of the phenomenon wearing masks or what
all this could actually mean. Because even if these were

(01:10:58):
made up articles and things that people were printing, it
like tapped into so many future tropes of like the
UFO phenomenon and even like men in black and cattle
mutilations and things like that. So did the phenomenon like
later adopt these made up tropes and things that were
in these articles. So it's a really interesting like chicken

(01:11:20):
and egg situation. And that's where I kept coming back
to with this is whitch came first, and I'm kind
of interested to hear your thoughts on, you know, kind
of some of those ideas well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
One main thing I got to throw in here the
whole idea of of like it mimicking what our idea
is of it, you know, the whole anal probing thing,
Like obviously that's not part of the phenomenon by any means,
but it's part of like the normal viewpoint on what
most people think, like induction of cold beers. Yeah, unless
you've got enough cold beers. But I mean, like there's
certain aspects of the phenomenon that seem like it kind

(01:11:53):
of shapes around us. But on the other side of it, it
also kind of seems like it has like a mind
of its own. So I kind of get into partially
what you were saying that it's kind of like it's
this thing that exists outside of us, like the others
is kind of like a good other viewpoint of kind
of saying it, and it isn't necessarily mimicking what we

(01:12:13):
think of it, but rather that it's mimicking what we
would be able to understand and perceive in a way
that it thinks that we can perceive it, you know,
like that's kind of like the viewpoint that I'm thinking
it is. That's why they're like just just ahead of
us there, you know, because assumably if there's an extraterrestrial
group that's intermingling with us, that's coexisting with us, that's

(01:12:35):
doing whatever with us, you know, they were significantly more
advanced than us to even get here in the first place.
So it's not like they're just ahead of us, unless
you get into the theory that there's something that exists
on this planet, then they could potentially be literally just
that gap ahead of us, or maybe it is something
more physical and it's a matter of like, you know,
a civilization that's just hair a bit more advanced than us.
But if there's something that's coming from another point in space,

(01:12:57):
like there's significantly more advanced than us, so it wouldn't
be the they're just ahead of us. They would be
significantly ahead of us. So then I kind of get
into the idea of like you were saying that, you know,
they're kind of just doing what we might be able
to understand or at least trying to explain it in
a way that we might understand going back into even
like the Tribes of Israel thing. You know, you show
up and you say, you know, I'm an extra trest

(01:13:17):
show from the planet Mars. These people are going to
freak out. But if you say, like, oh, I'm an
ancient people that have been here, then all of a
sudden they're like, oh, well, what do you have to say?
What do you So it's just a matter of like
not necessarily taking all the details, but it's kind of
like collaborating at the same time, like it has a
mind of its own. Yeah, but it's also taking some
of the details that we think of it so that

(01:13:38):
it can be more explained from our viewpoint or our perspective.
Because if you're interacting with another species, like, of course
there's going to be some point of fear, but if
you have an existing notion of it, then it's a
little bit less fierce, Like it's still going to be,
you know, scary, but it's less like if you had
no idea of the concept of aliens as a fucking
whole and then these things showed up, it's going to

(01:14:00):
be a lot crazier than if an alien shows up
and you already have this existing idea of alien It's like,
it's crazy no matter what, but it's a whole other
level of crazy when you have no previous idea of
this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah, and I think, well, like I said, that's kind
of my takeaway point from all this, you know, apart
from how accurate or not accurate a lot of these
stories and accounts are, it just seems to me that
the phenomenon, whatever that is, you know, whatever people want
to you know, wrap up into that. It seems to

(01:14:31):
me that it obviously goes both ways. You know, we're
imprinting something on the phenomenon, and the phenomena is imprinting
and presenting something on us, and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Like we need each other to co exist in a
weird way. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Well, I think that's a really interesting thought. Is things
like this really illustrate how complicated all this stuff is
and it's not as simple as hey, there's these Martians
coming down in their spaceship. There's something way fucking weirder
than that going on. And you know, on the surface
of a lot of these stories, oh, these people saw
this weird airship. But like I always say, dig a

(01:15:09):
little bit below the surface and you start seeing all
this weird stuff in these weird connections. So you know,
that was kind of my take home point with all this.
And yeah, this was a kind of a difficult one
to research. Actually, I think the episode turned out better
than I thought it would just from the material. I

(01:15:30):
thought this was one that would, you know, warrant a
lot of back and forth in conversation. But hold that thought,
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Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
The link to that is available down in the show description.
And now back to the show. Yeah, that's basically all
I got for this one. Yeah, that's all I got.
Is there anything that you want to throw in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Well, I just want to throw in that I'm glad
that you put this together with the details that you did,
because obviously, you know, I dive into a lot of
these old sightings and stuff, but for the most part,
usually a lot of the ones around the eighteen hundreds
nineteen hundreds, they kind of chalk up, as you know,
people with flying air balloons things like that that people
just didn't understand, and they created this whole story around it,
and even though we knew that they existed at the time,
it kind of created this own like pocket story somewhere

(01:16:48):
else that just begin to get more obscure through time.
But I'm glad that you kind of differentiated this, kind
of broke stuff up, and especially added the details of
encounters with these things, because a lot of these stories
you hear about the encounters you just hear about like
sightings up in the sky, which is what I brought
up earlier. With a lot of these like ancient sightings too,
it's mainly just sightings up in the sky. So I'm

(01:17:08):
glad that you were able to find the details for this,
and that you were able to kind of differentiate and
at least kind of bring some more mystery to the
early nineteen hundred's UFO type sightings, at least for me,
because like I said, I kind of chalked most of
them up to people sightings. And I'm glad that you
kind of added a new nuance of mystery to that
for me and assumably to a lot of the listeners out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
There, well, I hope. So you know, this was not
something I knew a lot about before I did the
research for it, but yeah, I was kind of astonished
the amount of connection. Like I was expecting this to
be more along the lines of spring Hill Jack, you know,
kind of just this more folk glory type thing. And
then the more I got digging into this was like,
oh my god, this connects to so much stuff that

(01:17:47):
not only we talk about it on the show, but
like are these very current, you know, euphiological concepts. So
I mean, I think, like I always say, this is
just one of those situations where just do a little
bit of digging below the surface and look for the
connections and look for what stuff could really mean in
like real world and current terms. And I think this

(01:18:10):
is a perfect example of that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
And like I said, just adding some more different theories
and stuff into it. I mean, I definitely like the
possibility of you know, people you know, almost kind of
having like the idea of like I said with Coral Castle,
that somebody just figured something out and it just died
with that pocket unfortunately. Was I honestly want to know
if that guy was telling the truth, Like that guy
could have literally came out and had the paperwork to
describe how this stuff works and he just phew, disappeared

(01:18:34):
point in time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah, it could be as simple as that, or it
could be way weirder and we'll never know at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
So thank you, and if anyone out there would like
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Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
A Zeppelin an alien, I'm sure about that.

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