#121 The Grafton Monster

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any and I looked out and there was this big, red,
blinking UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Something's going on. They're not dogs, they're not coyotes. What
could it be?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right? I had an encounter with a skunk cake and
it completely altered the course of my life.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I got a call on building.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
What about saying.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Sightings of a UFO covering over a barn.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Really woke up from a dream. And when I went
into the bedroom, she said, there's a monk there on
the wall.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a barbed
wire fence.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
They were able to obtain cares. They sent the hairs
to their lab and it came back as an online
creature creatures shit o. What is the bizarre rights? And
welcome back to the most bizarre show on the Internet.

(01:20):
I am the one that a few people refer to
as Shane Squatch, And over here next to me, I
have the one, the only, the big bad boo. Daddy sir,
with a great intro.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
The spank got me again.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I want to get you every time with that spank.
Look out, man, you rippen daddy, she said, Dude, I
got rid of that off the board. That was one
of the like ogs that we were using for a
hot minute back when Jenny was on the show. That
hasn't made a rotation in a hot minute. It's been
over a year.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I think, well, you might have to put it back
in the rotation now, I might have to maybe it
out of retirement. I'll bring it up in the next
couple episodes and people are not expecting it. There you go,
pull that one out out of the rafters, n retire
the jersey exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
So hopping into what we're gonna hop into today a
little bit different than what we usually do. But I
wanted to be able to address this before it becomes
not topical for anybody that's following like paranormal news. This
is kind of a big thing, I guess, kind of
going with the folklore of it, but again, it's not
It's not gonna be topical anymore by the time bizarre
inquiries come. So I want to just hit it in
the beginning of the show. So I'm gonna bring up

(02:27):
this article real quick so that everybody can see it.
Just a couple of paragraphs. We're gonna throw in our comments,
and then we will be hopping into this awesome show
for you guys. So for anybody that's familiar with Annabelle,
they know the whole track record of what goes on
with this doll. And. According to a recent report, paranormal
investigator Dan Rivera has died. According to the New England
Society of Yah of Psychic Research, I don't know why

(02:52):
I was struggling on that work. God damn I suck today.
Rivera was a senior lead investigator for the organization, which
announced his death in a July fourteenth Facebook post, it's
with deepest sadness that investigator Tony Holmes, investigator Wade Kirby,
and I share a sudden passing of our close friend
and partner, Dan Rivera. Lead investigator Chris Corian wrote, we
are heartbroken and still processing this loss. Dan truly believed

(03:15):
in sharing his experiences educating people on the paranormal. His
kindness and passion touched everyone who knew him. Thank you
for your support and kind thoughts during this difficult time.
According to the Pennsylvania State Police, a fifty four year
old white male was found deceased by coworkers on July
fourteenth in the hotel room in suburban township in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

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This incident was ruled as a natural death. Police said
nothing unusual or suspicious was observed at the scene, and
an autopsy is pending. Ryan Poole, the host of Paranormal State,
a series that ran on a and from two thousand
and seven till twenty eleven, shared news of Riveria's death
on Facebook and remembered him as a loyal and caring friend. So,
before we go on with that article, do you want

(03:56):
to throw in some of your reviews on this whole
thing with you know, weird stuff opening around the interval
doll whenever somebody has in their possession.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, so it's not something I know a whole lot about. Obviously,
I've seen like the conjuring movies and whatever, But not
to make light of this gentleman's passing. But I do
think it's kind of funny and ironic that, you know,
like you said, this doll seems to just go along
with death and misfortune for anybody who seems to possess it.

(04:24):
But yeah, I just I really don't know enough to
speak on it, you know how, I kind of land
on a lot of haunting and ghost type things. I'm
not sure if I believe that things are haunted or possessed,
if you will, in the way that a lot of
people might think. But yeah, I mean, there's probably definitely

(04:46):
something to it. If there's enough smoke with anything, there's
probably some sort of fire there. So I know, I
probably didn't add a whole lot of insightful thoughts and
information there. But what do you have to add to
this one?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, I know it's a I guess, unpopular opinion normal
paranormal enthusiast, but not an unpopular opinion amongst paranormal researchers
that the Warrens are typically full of shit. So when
it comes to a lot of the old stuff with
the Annabel Doll, like you know, you take it with
a grain of salt, you know, like maybe it's some
of the folklore they based around it, just weird events
kind of happened and they kind of folded it in.
But the weird part about this one that I want

(05:18):
to make a comment about was the fact that like
the Warns aren't around anymore. So it's either just a
really really weird fucking coincidence because the Annabel Doll has
a track record, or maybe there's something to it. But
either way, it's kind of interesting both ways because I mean,
either there is a paranormal aspect to it, and maybe
the Warrens weren't lying as much as some people thought
about the Annibal doll or on the flip side, it's

(05:39):
just a really weird coincidence that it happened. But on
the flip side, the guy being a paranormal investigator, not
trying to make a light of anybody's death, because of
course it is always a sad thing. But on the
flip side, you know, being a paranormal investigator, he became
part of the Annabel legend now, so I mean, like
you know, in a weird, twisted way, like he kind
of made his mark on the paranormal like in his

(05:59):
own way, and now we always be remembered as part
as Annibelle dolls. So I guess, like, you know, if
you're gonna go out as a paranormal investigator, you know
it's not a better way to go out.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I guess, yeah, I mean, there's worse ways to go out,
I suppose, And I guess kind of the last thing
I'll throw in apart from the whole, like you know,
haunting possession whatever aspect of this story. I mean, I
do totally believe that it is possible to just like
put so much intention into an object or a thing

(06:27):
that that kind of manifests and takes on its own life.
I mean, we hear about, like you know, poppets and
homunkey lie and things like that and all sorts of
weird stuff that we've talked about on the show. So
you know, while I don't think that you know, things
are necessarily haunted or it's a you know, possessed curse
doll or whatever, I do think there is something to

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people putting their intention into anything for that matter, whether
that be you know, an activity or an inanimate object,
and I think that could manifest itself in really weird ways.
So you know, maybe that's something that's going on here.
After decades of people's intention being put on this thing,
even if it didn't you know, originally have this haunting

(07:10):
or attachment to it, we could have almost manufactured something.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Like that at this point, you know, I mean even
like the partial placebo effect to it too, of like
you know, it's almost like if somebody tells you you're
gonna die, like you're gonna be super cautious to the
point where you might end up slipping up. So if
you have this doll that is known to have death
around it, you know, maybe you might slip being over
cautious or something like that. And not saying that that
was the case that happened with this again, just really
really weird circumstances, but just in general, and people are

(07:35):
being over cautious of something, they tend to end up
messing up in another way and then it ends up
becoming part of it. So I'm saying, like, you know,
with this guy, at least, like I said, it natural death,
there's still gotta do the autopsy. Maybe he was a
heart attack something like that. But if it was a
heart attack, I mean, maybe there was a possibility that
this guy got so wrapped up that he was like,
you know, kind of scared traveling with this thing because
he knew in the back of his mind that death

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comes with this thing, and he ended up like stressing
himself out to the point of giving himself a heart
attack because he was worried that something was going to
happen with this stall. You know that That's kind of
how I meant it.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Almost like a self fulfilling prophecy at that point.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, it's like a pacebo effect, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah for sure. All right, So kind of moving on,
the only other piece of news and information we've got
for you guys this week is that.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Plays off well with us. They said, that plays off
well with what we were just talking absolutely, so.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Kind of piggybacking off of it. Our next episode of
Bizarre Inquiries, our YouTube live show will be August the seventh,
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Speaker 3 (08:46):
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Speaker 2 (09:02):
As always, all this shit we've mentioned is in the
link tree in the show description.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
So hopping into today's topic, and just to give a
little bit of a forewarning for everybody, I brought up
that initial article, but currently I am experiencing some monitor
issues as far as one of the power courts, my
monitor went out, So for anybody that's watching the live,
I won't be able to bring up videos, pictures and
stuff like that today, So I apologize in advance. But
getting into today's topic, I'm gonna give it over to

(09:26):
Orin and let him. Let let you guys know what
we're getting into today.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
All right, So we've done a lot of folklore type
stuff recently, you know, different legends and things of that nature.
It's been a while since we've done like just an
old school cryptid, so I figured it was about time
to change that. So today we are going to talk
about the Grafton Monster.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
What the hell is even that?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I'm glad you asked. Do you have anything to add
before we get into what the hell is the Grafton Monster?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Come on, you monster. That's about it. That's all I
got for now.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Okay, all right, So getting started here, the Grafton Monster,
which was also known as the Beast of Grafton or
the Headless Horror, is a large humanoid type creature. It
was reported in the small town of Grafton, West Virginia,
during the summer of nineteen sixty four, and allegedly this

(10:20):
creature is like seven to nine feet tall and four
feet wide. So that's you know, pretty thick. Boy.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
What the heck fucking chowing it up over there? Man?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, so it's like half as wide as it is tall.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's like a hard thing to imagine just in general,
how often you come across something that's like a humanoid
that's wider than it is tall.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, I don't know. In my college years, I came
across some late night people like that coming out of
bars and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I just imagine making the sound of the Mario bricks.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I mean I was talking about more like young co eds.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
But anyway, oh, fair enough, it goes both ways. They
both make the same sounds moving on.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
So the most in interesting aspect of this creature is
the fact that it was reported as having no discernible head.
But it should kind of be noted that a lot
of these initial reports were unclear as to whether the
creature really didn't have a head, or if its head
was kind of like situated more on its shoulders or chest,
and it just didn't have like a neck. You sure

(11:20):
about that?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
You sure about that, Hud?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I am not.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I'm not sure about that head.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
But anyway, the creature was also said to have quote
white seal like skin and a very deep bellow being
heard for miles. So the most notable sighting of the
Grafton Monster occurred on June sixteenth of nineteen sixty four.
And on that night, at about eleven o'clock PM, there

(11:44):
was a young news reporter for the Grafton Daily Sentinel
newspaper and his name was Robert Cockrel and he was yep, Cockrell.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Are they We always have such great names when where
you do any type of cryptid report. That must be
part of the thing that in order to submit a
really solid cryptid report that's going to be remembered, you
have to have a ridiculous name. And if you don't,
you better go get that shit changed. If you're John Smith,
you better get your name changed before you report the shit.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, old cock Croll here he was driving home from
the newspaper's office and he was driving along a road
that was called Riverside Drive, and this road ran parallel
to the Tigert River spelled t y G A R
T tiger as you, yeah, tiger. It's kind of like yogurt,
but a tiger tiger, the tiger king stripe Yogurt is Tigert.

(12:36):
So as he was driving along, he saw what he
called quote a huge white obstruction and it was standing
on like the right hand shoulder of the road. And
what's kind of interesting is, uh, this was the side
of the road that ran adjacent to the river. And
there was also like an old abandoned rock quarry on

(12:56):
that side of the road. So remember both those pieces
of information.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Can we already throw in the fact that we already
have a roadside crossing next to a river, We have
like the typical motifs. The only thing we're missing here
now is a couple's makeout spot, which maybe we'll hit
farther maybe there is not necessarily, but we're going to.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Get into some of that type of stuff in theories
and conclusions and all that good stuff, So keep that
on the back burner. But anyway, so Robert Cockrell said
that this entity creature or whatever you want to call
it appeared to quote be made entirely of muscle, and
it remained motionless while he drove by. And he also

(13:32):
reported that there was a quote low whistling noise that
was being emitted from further away in the direction of
the river. And also remember that.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I was trying to do the whistling noise.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I bet that's exactly what it sounded like.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
That's exactly what it sounded like, all right, So I
had to.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Kind of do the breaks and weird places here because
this is a shorter one.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
But well, I guess I'll make a comment about this
whole thing right off the bat. Dude, if I saw
some giant creature just chilling on the side of the road,
not moving, like maybe, like the ideas are different because
of the time, but I would assume that that was
like a glitch in the matrix at first until this
thing started moving, because you know, with most of these
creature sightings, like how often do you really hear ones
if it just standing still, especially with these roadside sightings,

(14:18):
like yeah, maybe if you hear about ones or people
are in the woods and something's watching them from a distance,
like that's one thing, but typically with these roadside sightings,
it's very uncommon that you hear about something standing still.
Usually it'll like quickly sink back, it'll continue trying to
cross the road real quick like. It's not very common
you see something just there like pause and placed, like
you just pause in place. I mean that maybe maybe
people would be better off that way. Maybe this is

(14:40):
something that you see with sasquatch, but with sasquatch stops
and you just don't see it, you know, because I mean, honestly,
other than this thing being of giant size, if this
thing was a bit smaller and it just stood still
at like the woodline, like I bet you this guy
would have passed right over it and not even seen
the dam thing.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, and we're gonna get into kind of some of
the more down to earth theories on what people speculated
this thing could be. But yeah, it is very odd
as far as just the behavior of this thing, because,
like you said, most of the time these creatures are
crossing the road or you know, you see them leaning
around a tree or something like that. But uh yeah,
just kind of standing there on the side of the road,

(15:17):
hanging out, being motionless. But it's definitely the first encounter
like this that I've come across, and you know, we've
hit all the big cryptids at this point.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
And we also have to make reference to the fact
that one this is an Appalachia, two a rock quarry
down the street. I don't know if this was the
first sighting. I don't know if there's a direct link
to that, but obviously you know you're messing with the
mountains and Appleachia. You're digging up the grounds in Appalachia,
and I mean, it seems like weird stuff starts to
out back burner.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
We're gonna talk about that. That's kind of gonna be
our come home point, if you will, So keep that
one on the back.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
You left me a trail, and you're expecting me not
to follow it. Man, I'm sorry. That's my job here.
That's what I'm supposed to read.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The notes you would have known we're gonna talk about it.
I can't.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
The other monitor isn't up.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I sent them to you last night.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
You could have. Well, sometimes I just like to lay
down some clues so that we get people excited about
the end of the show. You know, sometimes I do
things on purpose and I just act like.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I don't I think that's exactly what's going on here?
What the heck.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Hold on? Tight, guys. Bizarre Encounters will be right back
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Speaker 3 (16:42):
Links are available off of the link tree down in
the show description. And now back to the show, all.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Right, So, after Robert Cockrell drove past this thing, he
rushed home and he called his friends Jerry Morse and
Jim Moser, and he told him about his sighting, and
he asked if they would like return to the scene
with him so they could like investigate further. And Cockrell
and his friends when they got there, they didn't find

(17:18):
any physical evidence of the creature, but they did say
that the grass where it like allegedly was standing looked
like it was trampled down and this, I think is
kind of interesting. Cockrell claimed that the kind of low
whistling noise that he heard it was still persistent, but
it also quote followed them as they investigated, So I

(17:40):
think that's pretty cool. Do you have any thoughts about that.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I don't even know where to exactly go with this
thought yet, but I'm starting to get like alien vibes
in the aspect of like the humming sound, like I'd
love to get into like the further sightings before maybe
I can kind of put a little bit more of
like a note on this, but like this thing stopping
on the side of the road, not move making this
humming noise and then disappearing, Like could it have theoretically

(18:04):
been possible that this thing was some type of like
uh like organic extraterrestrial type of craft possibly that happened
to have landed on the ground and this guy just
saw it in maybe not the context that he that
it was supposed to be seen in, you know, like
looking at this thing kind of flatten latin on on
the ground, Like could this have been like one of
the uh like uh like jellyfish type things that but

(18:26):
like lower to the ground and possibly like sucked in like,
I don't know, like the humming sound. I'm just getting
like UFO or like fay vibes, But I don't know
how to quite place the idea yet until I get
some more information.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
We're gonna come back to uh kind of extraterrestrial type
vibes and uh suggestions when we get kind of more
into the thoughts and theories. So maybe at that point
you'll have a little bit more information to kind of
flush out some of those ideas.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
It was a great berserker this. They're trying out a
new type of Gray. You know, we have the small grays,
we have the big Grace. We needed just a giant muscle,
fuck him up, drop it into an area and just
take everybody out type of grace. So this was the
first attempt at a berserker gray, and obviously it didn't
go well. So they just didn't do much with it,
or maybe it worked on different planets. They took this
thing to other planets, said it won't work with the humans.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
It was like the Boss Battle Gray.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
It was the Boss Battle Gray exactly. That's why it
was lagging out. They hadn't actually made it to the
boss level yet, so it wasn't activated yet. That's why
it was just standing still. They had to beat the
level first, but they skipped a level. That's what happened.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, all right, so before we jump in, we just
had a comment pop up in the chat that is
super cool. I've got to share from v zss V eight.
He said, good day from Australia. Guys, super stoked to
catch alive. So thank you so much whoever vzss V

(19:47):
eight is. I can't believe we have anybody in Australia
who cares to listen to this bullshit. But that's a
great honor, and thank you so much for listening and
joining in on the chat.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, we definitely appreciate it. And actually, you know, I
should show you the statistic. Believe it or not, our
biggest following comes from Canada. We usually stay within like
the top fifty in Canada. Like we got some good
numbers in the US, Canada, Australia and England obviously because
they're English speaking countries. And then weirdly enough, we stay
within the top fifteen Israel. Tell me how that makes
any sense?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well, I just I cannot get over the fact we
have Aussie's listening to us. So that's got to be
like a whole other time zone. I can't even imagine
what time it is.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I think it's early morning for them, because I've done
a couple of shows with a couple of people in
Australia and I'm pretty sure that like our right now
is like early morning for him. So props to you
man for catching us early in the morning. We appreciate it.
We appreciate you deciding to have us as your first
podcast for the day.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Possibly, No, that's awesome. And while we're shouting out, people
in the chat are good Buddy Man's slash blood Sugar,
whatever he's going by on whatever platform he's on, he's
in the chat as always, So thanks for joining us
again tonight. Always a pleasure to have you join us
as well.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Good old blood Sugar. With the first post being my boys,
My Boy, My boy blog.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
All right, So after those shout outs, we'll jump back
into the material and this is going to be kind
of starting in the aftermath of the sightings. So the
following morning, which would have been June seventeenth, Robert Cockrell
told his editor at the Grafton Daily Sentinel about the
siding that he had and the editor, of course was
like initially skeptical about this whole thing, but that was.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
His response pretty much.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
But later in the day he kind of reconsidered and
he suggested that Cockrell write like the short article about
his sighting to appear in the next day's newspaper. Well,
by the end of the day, news of this sighting
had like spread all over town. I've heard from multiple
sources that like his friends Jerry Morse and Jim Moser
kind of like helped spread this story around the town.

(21:53):
So by that evening, there was like a large group
of local residents, mostly like teenagers and young adult adults
excuse me, who formed monster hunting parties to go out
and kind of look for this creature. And several members
of these monster hunting parties actually reported seeing a creature

(22:14):
like this or the same one. And it's kind of interesting.
A lot of the sightings actually happened near this Tiger
River and the Rock Quarry. So Robert Cockrell he talked
to a lot of these people and interviewed them and
compiled a list of these sightings and he included them
in the article that he submitted to his editor. And notice,

(22:36):
I said submitted, and we're going to talk about that
here again. In the second I just.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Wanted to make a quick comment again to our chat
over here. He says, he's listened to all of our shows,
so again, we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's awesome, Thank you so much. All Right, So we're
going to fast forward to the next morning, which would
have been June eighteenth, And on that morning, a heavily
edited version of Cockrell's article appeared in the Grafton Daily Sentinel.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
What the heck, that's what he was thinking when he
saw it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, And the title of the article was quote teenage
monster hunting Parti's latest activity on Grafton scene. And due
to kind of the further exposure that this article provided,
that night, like even more locals showed up and gathered
for these monster hunting parties. Come on you monster, Okay.

(23:30):
So this led to like this sense of like mounting
hysteria and like public safety concerns. So members of the
West Virginia State Police, the Taylor County Sheriff's Department, and
the Grafton Police Department were dispatched to this kind of
stretch of road along Riverside Drive where a lot of

(23:50):
these monster hunting parties kind of congregated, but it seemed
like the law enforcement agencies were like really uninterested in
actually like investigating the sighting or like basically giving any
stock to this whatsoever. And they're basically there for like
crowd control and just to direct traffic. So the following morning,

(24:10):
which would have been June nineteenth, another heavily edited follow
up article appeared in the Grafton Daily Sentinel. This one
was also originally written by Cockrel, but it was edited
in a way that like largely discredited the witnesses and
it dismissed, excuse me, a lot of the sightings cases

(24:33):
of misidentification, and the title of the article was monster
quote unquote result of spring fever and wild imagination. So
this has led some people to kind of conclude that
there was some sort of cover up going on that
you know, all these people had these pretty credible sightings
for all intents and purposes, and then you know, just

(24:55):
this small town local media did all they could to
kind of suppress this information.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Was this getting talked about I'm like a national scaler
or did it seem like it just kept like relatively local,
like within like the state.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So you know, a lot of these stories we talk
about whether it be like flat Woods or things like that.
They do seem like they catch on more in the
national media. This I didn't see where it kind of
hit the national news as much as some others, So
it seemed like it was kind of more of a regional,
kind of hyper specific geographical area.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Was this, uh just out of curiosity because you always
end up looking this stuff up. I'm sure when you
do a lot of this research. Was there any like
military bases or anything like that nearby that anybody knew about?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Not military bases per se, But as we're going to
get into a little bit later, this is like really
close to flat Woods, and where all that happened is
in just like kind of that sweet spot in West
Virginia where all this weird stuff happens. There's a lot
of uh, like national parks and wildlife management areas, so
not necessarily military installations, but a lot of you know,

(26:02):
kind of weird high strangeness type places that we talk
about a lot on the show.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean even theoretically like science labs. Like I know
it sounds like a super sci fi concept, but if
you see like this big berserker like humanoid, could it
have been some type of like science experiment gone wrong,
like for lack of better term, like a like a
like an Incredible Hulk type situation, maybe, you know, where
like they were trying to create some type of maybe
like super Soldier, which has obviously been something that's been

(26:26):
talked about forever. And the reason why it looked like
it was all muscles because maybe the experiment didn't go
wrong and they were or they went wrong because they
were trying to create like more muscle, but in turn
this thing completely took over muscle, and that could be
why there's this huge government cover up if that is
definitely the case. I mean, anto sounds a little bit ridiculous,
but I mean it definitely feels like there would be

(26:47):
some trial and error when it comes to super Soldier serums,
and assumably there are going to be a few. They're
probably gonna blow people up a bit too much.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, I mean, even if it's not full on like
super Soldier, I mean, it definitely could have been some
sort of govern or scientific experiment gone wrong. So I mean,
that wasn't a theory that I saw presented in any
of my research, but I mean at the time period
and kind of the location wouldn't be the craziest thing
in the.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
World, you know, I mean, it may not even necessarily
be like a human because I mean we know that
obviously a lot of governments have tried to experiment with
different types of animals, trying to see what they could
possibly do with different types of animals. So I mean,
kind of looking at the physique of this thing being wide,
having the head possibly sunk into the shoulders type of thing,
I mean, could it have been possible that they were
running some type of weird experiments on like a gorilla

(27:34):
rather than like a humanoid, because that's like the closest
thing that I can kind of think of that kind
of has this like shape of like the grafted monster
is you know, maybe some experiments on some type of
gorilla or something, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, or taking a step further at that point,
it could have been some sort of hybrid type situation
and it wasn't even like they were experimenting on some
known creature. I mean, they could have been doing some
ripply alien shit and just like cooking up something brand new.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Dude, I'm always staying on the show man. If they
were openly saying that we're able to clone, clone or
clone a sheep during the nineties, like, yeah, there has
to be a build up to that, and imagine where
it is.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Now, well like twenty years before that they could do it.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, there's no way in fuck that they're just just
going to discover it and instantly go and tell everybody,
Like I guarantee you, by the time they were telling
people the public that they could clone sheeps, they are
probably onto way more complex things by then, like at
least trying to probably at least do like different types
of apes and chimps and stuff like that on their
way to humans.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, and if they were doing that shit in the nineties,
I mean, what are they doing now?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I mean in a weird way. I mean with like uh,
invert or what's the name of that stuff where they
will try to like put the sperm inside of another
person and they try to like something semin No, no, no,
it's something in semination where they will like take artificial
and yeah, there it is artificial insemination. I mean in
a weird way like that kind of seems like it's
kind of running the precipice of clone technology to begin with.

(28:51):
I mean, you basically are able to just I guess
it depends on where you're viewing it. If you're starting
from scratch that you're creating the egg and you're creating
the sperm, and it's one thing. But if you're viewing
cloning as possibly like taking a clone or an egg
and then taking a sperm and putting them together or
somewhere else, and then manipulating that into multiple things. I mean,
like I said that, that's already side tangenting human cloning

(29:12):
technology in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
So on a side note, I think this is officially
the highest number of times we said sperm in an episode.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
We need a sperm counter. We do, Actually, maybe not.
I was gonna say when we did the.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Sperm Olympics, sperm more in this episode than in the
sperm Olympics one.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I think we're beating it now though, because we're making
reference to now.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I bet you are. You're trying to train for the
sperm Olympics.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know what's funny was I was literally about to
throw a sondboard on that was I'm about to bust
with Hank Hill, and I didn't, and I wish I
would have.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, No, you just never know when you're gonna need
to bust.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I gave it up for a really good one that
I'm still holding on too. Just you gotta wait for it, Okay,
I might bust waiting for it, old sperm. We apologize,
guys for the interference, but we will be right back.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And now back to the show, all right, So kind
of jumping back in this second heavily edited article that
excuse me, Robert Cockrell wrote it kind of de escalated
a lot of the public tension that was going on
in the area, but it kind of did bring more

(30:32):
light to this situation and people did come forward, and
in total, more than twenty additional sightings were reported of
this very similar creature, but no physical evidence was ever discovered.
So this kind of brings us right into the thoughts
and theories section and kind of one of the most
outlandish ones I saw. And this is like Kentucky meat

(30:55):
shower level of stupidity. Somebody said that the creature could
have been an escape polar bear, but nobody gave like
a good reason for why there would be a polar
bear in Grafton in the sixties or how it got there,
So just how was even that? Yeah, that's just kind
of an odd ball one. And while we're talking about

(31:18):
the batshit stupid ones.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Well, actually, before you get into that, I want to
make a quick reference to something before we get too
far out, talk about like a like what's honestly better
in this situation. So they report on something, and you
obviously see how much this stuff gets just even the
news itself starting to kind of make their own story
out of it, Like I always make reference to the
hopskinvill goblins turning into little green men shit like that.
So when it comes to like these reports, is it

(31:41):
better that the mainstream news reports on it and that
people come up and tell their stories because you get
two things with that. Either one, you have people more
comfortable where they will come and tell their encounters that
they honestly had, or on the flip side, you also
have people that want to become part of the story,
so though they start coming up with stories to become
part of it. So it's like, if you're trying to
get the factual information, is it better to put out

(32:03):
the story or just to keep to yourself Because if
you don't put out the story, then you might get
real reports and you know that you can really start
to look at details in that because they don't have
any other previous reference. But on the other side, like,
are those people who even gonna report it if there
isn't already like a paradigm for this thing existing, Like
this is one of those back and forths I go
within my head all the time. It's like, you wouldn't
get the reports, But on the flip side, people make

(32:23):
shit up because they want to be part of the
news report now, So it's like, what's what's better?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You know. Yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword,
but you know, I would lean towards especially with these
older cases, Like it's different now with like the Internet
and everybody having a phone in their pocket and AI
and all this current bullshit, But like back then, I
would certainly think that if you saw this in your local,
you know, small town newspaper and you had seen something similar,

(32:51):
it would make you more likely to report it. So granted, yeah,
you're always gonna have attention seekers and weirdos and things
like that pop up around anything like this, but I
would think, especially in these older cases, having the reports
published probably did more good than harm.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
But taking their own liberties on a lot of aspects
of things like prime example, right here, the guy who's
first hand with this shit is like writing the reports
on it, and they just do their own liberty to it,
you know, like even the Hopskinville Goblins, you know, they
spin it to make them look crazy, so it's like, yeah,
the story gets out, but on the flip side, it's
like they make the person that had the initial counter

(33:28):
look even more crazy. So it's almost like that whole
idea about like, if you're reporting it, the people that
are interested are gonna check it out. But on the
flip side, if you report it, most of the time
people get made a joke. So then anybody that may
have been like, oh, that's a little bit something weird,
they instantly have that in the back of their mind
of like, oh, this is just the news said it
was just a bunch of people that, you know, we're

(33:48):
just having fun on the woods, like oh it was
a hoax. It was this, you know, because it's like
the newspapers, like for this one will do those prime
stories where it's like it'll have like the headline where
it feels like it explains the whole thing, but then
you look into the rest of it and you realize
that doesn't explain it. But you know, that even back
in the day, just like now, there's a lot of
people that are just reading headlines and they're basing all
their information off of that and they're not actually reading

(34:08):
the article.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well yeah, I mean the media has always been about
controlling narratives, and as bad as shit like that is nowadays,
I mean just look at this, this situation here that
happened in the sixties. I mean, basically, this small town
local newspaper was totally controlling the narrative and the information

(34:31):
that got out to the public and heavily censoring and
editing everything that went out. So I mean we talked
about in our last episode about you know, nothing new
under the sun and that there's always going to be
this kind of like control factor that goes on in
things like this, and I mean this is very similar

(34:52):
as far as I'm concerned. I mean, if something on
such a small scale as this is being so heavily
edited and controlled, i mean it's kind of hard to
take anything seriously at that point.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Or even on the flip side, like these small towns,
you know, trying to bring in like tourists too. You
never know who could possibly be involved with this, Like
there's this Christmas movie. I can't remember what the hell
the name of it is of off hand, but if
you've seen em out before, right.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
With Marshall Mathers.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, so absolutely. You know the guy who plays Ronnie,
he's in a bunch of movies. He plays like the
Iceman and the Iceman and stuff. I forget that actor's name.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Man, I haven't seen that movie in like fifteen years,
but anyways, he plays the main guy in it. And
the whole premise of this movie is that the guy
lives in a small town. He runs this small shop.
He gets drunk one night and he puts on this
like gilly suit and like runs around the town. So
then the entire town starts thinking that there's like Sasquatch sighting.
So there starts becoming like an economy in the town
for sas Christmas movie. Yeah, it's a Christmas movie. So

(35:48):
there's a like a like an economy in the town
for like Sasquatch. And this guy gets to this point
where he's just like, well, I know this is all
a hoax, but my entire town is doing a lot
better because of this, Like how do I deal with
this situation? Like I feel like there's a lot of
that with some of these like old towns that it's
either one you know, maybe the town may have been
in on it and they wanted to kind of get

(36:08):
some tourist dollars in, especially back in the day. Not
saying it's the case with this one, because this can
get blown up that way, but some of the other stories,
and on the other side, you know, somebody that may
have done something on accident, people thought it was something else.
They're just like, fuck, now, I'm kind of stuck doing
this because the entire town's kind of weirdly relying on
me to do this now. So I'm see if I
can find the name of that movie by the way. Okay,
but I've kind of got two thoughts on that sort

(36:31):
of thing. Number One, if you'll remember when we talked
about our recent Pottersville Spaceman.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
What is it it's called Pottersville. Sorry, I don't mean
to interrupt you, but I'll show you the cover real quick.
I'll bring it up on screen.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay, But uh, anyway, when we talked about the songry
first Spaceman.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
If anybody wants to check it out, it's a it's
a cute little uh set Sashquatch Christmas movie. You know,
I found it one last year on accident, but it's
worth watching at least once. But the concept's interesting. But
it's as movie.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Never have I ever heard of that. But anyway, you
wouldn't know it.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Was a Sasquatch movie from the cover. Clearly it just
looks like a fucking Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
But you know, but when we were talking about the
so away for a spaceman, you know, there's this idea
that this weird thing happened to this guy and then
he probably figured out that it was totally explainable. But
at that point, this whole mythology had kind of built
up around the sighting and he had become like the
spaceman photograph guy. And how do you go back from

(37:28):
being the spaceman photograph guy. I think that's kind of
what you're talking about here, Like once these small towns
kind of latch onto these legends. I mean a lot
of no offense meant, but I mean a lot of
these small towns, these monster sightings are pretty much the
only thing they're known for. So if you don't have that, then.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
You know, what are you?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And kind of the other thing I'll.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Say somebody shows up with a costume to the mayor,
and the mayor is just like we never saw anything
burn it.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But on the other side of that coin, I mean,
I think some of these towns could take advantage of
these stories more so because last year, when we were
on our way up to Ohio for Monsterfest, we stopped
in Point Pleasant and I felt like, there's not enough
Mothman stuff there. Like there's the museum, there's the shiny

(38:21):
high knee that you can rub, but like I would
think that it should be on like every corner. They
should like beat you over the head and molest you
with Mothman when you're in Point Pleasant and I.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Want to see a Mothman figure mannequin stripping on every
single light post all through Point Pleasant. If there's not
a big bootied Mothman riding that pull down, then I'm
not interested.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, But what I was gonna say, like, there's just
there's not as much Mothman in Point Pleasant as I
was expecting. So, like I think, again double Edged Sword,
a lot of these towns probably latch onto these legends
because it's a big source of income and you know, notoriety.
But the same time, I mean I think a lot
of these towns could take more advantage of it. Point

(39:04):
Pleasant being a perfect example.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
So do you know what's weird is that again being
a Michigan or franken Mouth For anybody that's familiar with
that's from Michigan, I guarantee you know what Frankenmuth is.
But there was a sasquatch sighting there I think about
ten years ago now where there was like a river
crossing sighting and it wasn't anything like really super duper crazy,
I mean, some good footage whatever, but you know, considering that,

(39:27):
it's like, uh, they've kind of made into somewhat of
a like a local thing. Like you said, Point Pleasant,
you know, you're not seeing Mothman everywhere. But Frankenmuth they
had this just very minuscule sasquatch sighting and every single
store you go into they have a full sasquatch section
set up now, So it's just like it's funny that
it's like a little thing and you try to blow
it up where every single store has these sasquatch things

(39:48):
in it, and then you have this like legendary cryptid
sighting and you're like, here's a museum in a statue.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, I mean I was expecting to just be like
Overwhet when we went to Point Pleasant and it's super cool,
like anybody who has the opportunity should go. I'm absolutely
not trying to talk shit about Point Pleasant in the
museum super cool. I mean the shiny high and he's awesome.
But I was expecting, like the main drag there to
just be like bar after bar with Mothman shit, and

(40:17):
like it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Is there at least one Mothman themed bar? Because if not,
I'll be very sad, Or at least does one of
the bars have a Mothman themed peru that's like their
main beer at least?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
So there is like this pizzeria that used to be
like on the main drag there where the museum and
everything is, and they have like a Mothman pizza and
uh it's pretty cool. So but they changed locations a
few years ago and now they're a few miles away
from like the museum and everything, so it's probably like

(40:47):
a much nicer, larger building than they were in before,
but it's not like right there with everything. But we
definitely went there. We we didn't get the Mothman pizza.
Do they have an all a few beer? Do?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
What?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Do they have a moth Man al? No, it's just
like a talk about a super said missed opportunity. Man, Like,
there's a lot of places that aren't in Point Pleasant
that are doing Mothman beers. Like, there has to be
some local brewery and Point Pleasant that is doing a
Mothman beer. And if there's not, here's some inspiration. Please
make a mothman beer that is straight out of Point
Pleasant because it shouldn't be coming from anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Straight out of Point Pleasant.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Straight out of Point Pleasant, straight out of Point Pleasant.
I'm the motherfucking mothman, rub my ass, and I don't
know what to go, where to go after that?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sorry everybody, So this one has gone sufficiently off the
fucking rails. Oh yeah, and got this on a hinged
in a minute.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Hey, it was It was worth it. It was fun.
We got to talk about the mothman's ass and that's
always a plus.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
All right, Well, I'm gonna go get another beer and
we can take a commercial break here and how back
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Speaker 3 (42:10):
Wow, that's oddly specific plus shipping. The link for that
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with the High Strangers. Let's get back into it all right.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
So now that we've discussed shiny hihees and small town
Appalachian economics and business opportunities, we're going to get back
into thoughts and theories.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I was also narrating everything that you were doing on
the break for all the livel listeners, just cause you're wondering.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Okay, it's probably enthralling radio slash television.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Oh the word a lotment's got used quite frequently, so noise,
all right.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So jumping back in piggybacking off of the polar bear theory.
Another theory that was thrown out there was that the
monster was actually quote an individual pushing a hand cart
loaded high with boxes walking along Riverside Drive.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
I think it may have also been a blue heron.
I mean, if we're going with theories that crazy, there's
probably a possibility it was just a blue heron. Maybe
some ball light sand Hill crane, san Uel crane, ball lightning.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I feel like that's more believable. Another similar theory is
that it could have been a local woman. And this
one's pretty funny. This one's already a ridiculous one. A
local woman dragging a white refrigerator along Riverside Drive.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
So we got polar bears, we got a lady dragging
a refrigerator by herself. And these are more realistic theories
than the possibility of there just being something strange.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
That's exactly what I was gonna say. I think the
lady dragging the refrigerator theory is less likely than it
was just some interdimensional monster.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Like, at a certain point, do you think that people
that are trying to rationalize this shit will ever just
sit back and realize how rational they're rationally becomes?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
But you know, Shane, that's like something I've said on
the show.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Fucking Polar Bear in West Virginia, Like, just let's just
say that for what it is.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
In a lot of these instances, you know, when you
have to say, Okay, it was a meteor, and then
this weird thing happened, and then this weird thing happened,
at some point it becomes harder to believe that than
just something kind of weird and out there and strange
legitimately happened. And I think this is a perfect example

(44:32):
of that and the links people will go to to
try to not believe something weird, like like the whole
polar bear things that it was a woman dragging a refrigerator,
Like that's so fucking stupid, like even the.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Polar bear thing. Like polar bears, they have translucent hair.
So the reason why they appear white is because of
the reflection off the snow. When people are taking pictures,
you go to the zoom, you see them. Typically they
have the white fake snow set up. They get that
reflection that comes off of that, and that's why they
look so wet. When you don't have them around white,
they don't come off that color. They come off as
more of like a grayish, dingy like darkish kind of color.

(45:07):
Not saying that they're gonna come out like brown or
anything like that. But you know, if this guy was
seeing like a polar bear, for example, I don't think
you would have reported it as white. It would have
been like a grayish brown, like a kind of like
a dirty whitish color, like it would have been white,
like for anybody that kind of like knows about polar
bears and like what they visually look like, like, I
don't I don't think that that would be possible. You know,

(45:29):
like just the explanation doesn't seem to line up unless
you're like saying, oh, it's white, it must have been
a polar bear.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, I mean, people have a frame of reference for
a polar bear. If it was something like that. I
feel like even in you know, nineteen sixty four, you
wouldn't go to it was this weird, otherworldly thing with
no head.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
So and I mean even on the flip side, back
then versus now, you feel like people would be are
a little bit more connected with nature, you know, especially
in these small towns and stuff, Like, people aren't gonna
fuck up a bear back then. Maybe now, yes, people
might fuck up a bear, But like back then, especially
living in like West Virginia and shit, where they're familiar
with animals, they're familiar with wildlife, Like, I don't think

(46:10):
any of these good old boys are gonna fuck up
a bear and think that a bear is something else.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, people know what a bear looks like. You might
be like, hey, I saw this really weird white bear,
but I don't think you'd be like I saw this
really weird headless abomination. That's the one was definitely not
a polar bear.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, it's kind of like, I've never seen a polar
bear that you know, has its fucking head. It's just
so fucking jacked that its head is just part of
its body now, Like I've never seen that. Apparently this
polar bear not only is hanging out in West Virginia,
but he's also doing some lifts. Can't even turn his
fucking head no more.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Or it was just the lady dragging the refrigerator.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, she's doing some lyft in too. Apparently, holy shit,
apparently there's.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Some people in a graft in West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I mean, that's a monster all on its own. If
you got a lady that can drag her refrigerator on
her own, I mean, different type of monster.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
But and no one asked to think why she was
dragging the refrigerator.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Or to help, you know, considering it was the sixties,
it's not like people are getting abducted off the side
of the road. If you see a lady dragging a fridge,
maybe get out and ask her she needs some fucking help, Like,
what's the context of that, you know. And it's like
back in the day, you weren't just assuming that. You know,
if you saw some lady dragging a fridge down the street,
that is probably a crackhead, because you know, crack wasn't
the thing back in the sixties. Nowadays you just assume

(47:26):
it was a crackhead, and yeah, you probably wouldn't get
out of the car, or a meth head, one of
the two, and you just want to get out of
the car.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
If I see anybody dragging a refrigerator down the road,
I'm not stopping to help him. So I'm not gonna
have so much judgment on that.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, fucking all, next thing, you know, you're gonna be
inside that refrigerator getting dragged down the road or being
pushed down a ravine.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And we know there was a ravine there, so I mean,
you can't be too careful.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Imagine the brute strength that they could do to you
if they're dragging a fridge.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Ye for real, I'd rather deal with the headless mobster
right anyway, So jumping back in, some other people have
suggested that the monster could have actually been quote, the
personification of the active imaginations of a number of teenagers, or,
as we kind of alluded to earlier, the result of

(48:11):
spring fever and wild imaginations. However, Robert Cockrell like remained
adamant that what he saw was not a refrigerator, it
was not a polar bear. It was some sort of
supernatural entity. And he did like further research after his sighting,
and he actually discovered some similar sightings that occurred, one

(48:34):
of them dating back to the nineteen fifties. So on
September the twenty first of nineteen fifty two, which would
be like roughly twelve years before the graft in siding, Yep,
there you go, you're holding up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
I didn't have a picture today, so I did have
a mannekin, so I figured I'd show everybody a little
grafting monster figure live and in person. There in person
you can hold it.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
So anyway, as I was saying, nineteen fifty two, about
twelve years before the sighting, a resident of Buckley, West Virginia,
reported seeing an entity that she described as quote a large,
shiny white creature resembling a washtub end quote that was
flying through the air. So large shiny white washtub. That's

(49:17):
kind of similar to this large, shiny white, possibly refrigerator
looking thing.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Hey, this goes into what I was saying earlier about
the possibility of this thing being some type of, for
lack of better term, organic UFO type of thing, and
it maybe you would go with the humming that you know,
maybe they just saw this thing landed on the ground
and that wasn't its actual shape. You know, maybe it
was kind of like condensed into itself. Like take a
jellyfish and you throw it on land, it kind of
creates this like little lump of itself, you know, but

(49:43):
as soon as it lifts back up, then it takes
its full shape again. You know, maybe maybe that could
have been the case with this thing.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, And what's kind of interesting about this one is
this siding occurred only a few days after the flat
Woods Monster siding, and it was only like seventy miles
away from Flatwood, So again, not anything super duper consistent
with the flatwood siding. But the proximity and the time
frame make it kind of interesting to talk about.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Nonetheless, maybe that's what the Grafton monster or what the
Flatwood's monster was looking for. It was here in the
woods looking for the Grafton Monster because they were like, fuck,
our science experiment got out. We need to do something
about that. We're gonna send you down, mister missus. Spadehead,
mister Spadehead, and you're gonna look for this thing.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Look for a big thick refrigerator looking motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, that's flying around.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
All right. So Robert Cockrell he found this other encounter
that happened shortly after his own sighting. And this one
happened in the town of Morganton, West Virginia, which is
where the University of West Virginia is located. And it's
about twenty miles north of Grafton. And like I said,
this person reported seeing a very similar creature. But what's

(50:58):
interesting is this occurred near a river that was called
the And I'm probably gonna butcher this, but I'm gonna
give it my best. Go the Mono Ghela River spelled
m O n O g a h e l a.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
You just got to say with confidence. It doesn't matter
if you say it wrong as long as you sound
like you know what you're saying when you say it.
I really disagree with that, but we're gonna move Onnigan
Shagnigan River, Mana Gahela River, Mana Gahella River.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You just got about this river? Is it flows into
the Tigert River, which we talked about earlier, which is
the river next to where the initial sighting of the
Grafton Monster happened, the Tiger Yelder. Both of these rivers
eventually flow into the Ohio River, which we talk about
all the time on this show, of course, associated with

(51:51):
bringing it back around the Mothman sidings.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
And just to throw in another weird one because you
know how I like to talk about Edidorpo whenever you
get an opportunity to let me look up this picture
real quick. Sorry everybody, I only have one screen. Uh
that's not how you spell Eddorpa. But okay, So anyways,
there's these uh let's see E T I, D O
R P HI. Okay. So the main person that he

(52:16):
follows around that takes him into the underground in Eddorpa, right,
is this uh humanoid, white, lanky creature. I'll just show
you a picture of it for anybody that wants to
see what this thing looks like. And also, this access
to this tunnel point is accessible off of the Ohio River,
supposedly according to the book. But again, look at this
guy and look at the correlations between like the Grafton Monster,

(52:37):
and tell me this guy doesn't look at least relatively
similar but in a scrawnier version.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Well he doesn't look like you a refrigerator at all.
So I'm calling bullshit.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
But talking about these white humanoids and connecting him with
the Ohio River, all of that type of shit just
throw a different I mean, talking about underground dwelling beings,
you know, gonna flip this to a totally different spectrum.
You know, you're talking about these all white beings that
almost look like they don't have faces, things like that.
I mean, it starts getting into this weird underground more.
And like I said, this story connects in with the

(53:09):
Ohio River and talks about there's an access point in
the Ohio River that gets into this cave system, that
there's these different creatures and shit in. So I mean,
I don't know, weird old occult books that seem like
they have some weird random facts scattered through them, and
I don't know, possibly a connection, possibly not a connection,
but I had to point it out regardless.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Well, kind of piggybacking off of that, and I think
this is a really cool theory. Robert Cockrell kind of
theorized that whatever this creature was was using these like
local river systems to travel and that's why it was seen,
you know, in Grafton near the river. That's why it
was seen in Morganton near the river. So I think
that's a really cool theory, and we're gonna come back

(53:46):
around to that in a moment.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
The only thing that throws this one off is the size.
Like you're trying to come up with like theories and
how this thing could possibly move around, travel where it
came from, and it's just like this thing is described
as a lot bigger than like the average cryptid. So
it's like, you know, the visual appearance of course kind
of maybe goes with the whole like underground dweller possibility,
but the size is just like, holy crap, how would

(54:08):
you get through there? But on the flip side, you know,
we talk about all of these people that do these
like cave dwelling or they go underground, they do like
you know, spelunking all that shit, and they talk about
these giant rocks that are like in the way that
they think that they could lead to bigger passages. So
you know, maybe there are things like this down there
and those these are those things that are able to
move those boulders, and they purposely have them in the
way so that people don't find which caverns they go down.

(54:29):
I mean, like I said, if you're if you're splunking
and you find a giant fucking rock, you can't get
equipment down there to move it. But if you're a
creature that has the strength to move it, then you're
probably the only thing that's gonna have the possibility of
going down that cavern or that access point.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I mean it's impossible to disprove that, so I mean, yeah,
I mean if you are some large subterranean creature and
you're using these waterways to uh kind of traverse the
outside world, I mean that could definitely be possible. I think.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I mean it leads in both ways too, I mean,
depending on how big these rivers are at certain points,
I mean there could be access points into caves, you know,
from some of the edges of these rivers that led
into bigger points. So I mean talking about the possibility
of you know, staying near rivers and also staying underground
using both access points.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Intermittedly, Yeah, definitely possible. All Right, guys, we got to
take another break. We'll be right back, and now we're
getting back to the bizarre. All right. So I thought

(55:35):
this was kind of interesting. When I was doing the research,
Robert Cockrell actually contacted Gray Barker, which we've talked about
on the show several times. He's a controversial like author
slash euifologist, and he was born in Rifle, West Virginia,
which is a town that's near Flatwoods in Braxton County.
And this guy was like super duper prominent in like

(55:59):
early nineteen sixties ufology. And what he's probably best known
for is popularizing the concept of the men in Black.
He's like one of the main figures and the men
in Black lore.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Him and k Anyway are probably the main two, right.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, him and Keel they're kind of like the two
main figures.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Dude, I want to just total side tangent, but I
want to try like, I don't know how to look
up this information, but remember when we were talking earlier
about these uh other things, they kind of fit the
men in Black motif, like the you know, the stuff
that goes with Sasquatch stuff where people to see this
guy that's like in a suit, and then like the
lumberjack looking guy that like Timothy Renner was talking about,
and then you know, talking about in England how they're

(56:36):
shown up in Jaguars and stuff Like, I don't know
how you look up that information, dude, but I really
just like I want to find an episode on this whole,
like men in Black archetype, not just men in Black,
but like the archetype of being seen in other variations,
you know, because I feel like there's a lot more
to it. It's just hard to connect the dots because
how do you how do you look that up like
weird encounter with two guys after a big encounter, Like

(56:57):
it's it's hard to look up and.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It's almost something you just have to like organically come
across and doing research about something else. Because every time
I found like a weird kind of tangentially men in
Black type thing, it's been just by happenstance and looking
into something else.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
You know, maybe that's part of the motif of it,
you know that, like they want to keep one archetype
per phenomenon so that people don't realize that all the
phenomenons are all linked, you know, like it's all the
same groups dealing with it, but they want to mentally
separate it for people. You know, like if people start
reporting like men in black encounters with like Sasquatch or
men in black encounters with whatever, then people are gonna

(57:33):
start connecting all the phenomenon and start realizing what's going on.
But if they keep everything somewhat scattered, that it looks
like it's all different things, you know, And again, people
can't connect the dots if you don't know what you're
fucking looking for in the first place.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah, I mean, if we can't even find it with
the internet, how are people, you know, even twenty thirty
years ago, supposed to find this information or.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Even just like somebody reports the initial report and then
they have this weird thing that happens after. I mean,
I feel like there's a lot of people that report
the initial report and then they may not report stuff
that comes afterwards. Because of the scrutiny they got from
the initial report. So I mean, there could be I
get a lot more of this that just never got
reported because you know, after already getting scrutinized for the
initial column and then these people calm and start doing
weird shit like they're not trying to dip back into

(58:11):
that again.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, definitely possible. All right, So I'm going to try
to kind of breathe through the rest of these thoughts
and theories. We've gone on a lot of tangents and
gone a little late tonight. But anyway, so Gray Barker,
he actually came to Grafton and he met with Robert
Cockrell and they even like visited the scene of the

(58:33):
sighting together, and I thought this was kind of interesting.
Barker theorized that the Grafton monster could have been quote,
an alien visitor from another planet or an inter dimensional traveler.
So that kind of hits on a lot of things
we've already talked about on the show, and this I
thought was kind of cool. He suggested that the like

(58:54):
low whistling sound that Cockrell reported, and he said, like
kind of followed them around could have been eating from
the creature. Spacecraft and it was just like out of
sight from when he saw the creature next to the road.
So I thought that was kind of cool. And I
also discovered that around this same time, in the same area,

(59:14):
there was a lot of UFO sidings reported, So I
think that kind of lends credence to this theory that
it could have been some sort of you know, extraterrestrial,
interdimensional something.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Or I mean it could like I said, it could
have even have been the craft itself, or just to
make reference to it, because we talk about it in
a lot of other episodes. If it is something interdimensional,
you know, it not necessarily having the shape that it
possesses in its own dimension. You know, like somebody sees
it as a flying batsup the other person sees it
as this humanoid on the side of the road. You know.
It seems like the Grafted Monster is one of those
ones where it's like it's hard to like make a

(59:47):
solid image of it because the definite shapes of it
are kind of described a little bit differently. And the
reason behind that could be because it is interdimensional and
it doesn't have like a solid definite shape.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, I mean, this is kind of an interesting one,
I think because like if you google Mothman, you know,
all the images of the Mothman pretty much or you know,
like the renderings of the Mafman pretty much look exactly
the same. If you google image starts that you're getting
the same thing. Like the graft and Monster. There's a
lot of variation in people's depictions of this thing, and

(01:00:19):
I think it is because it was kind of nebulous
how it was described. You know, it's basically just this big,
weird white thing, and like even Robert Cockrell, who had,
you know, the most infamous sighting, he was kind of
vague on what this thing looked like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It was big and white and muscular and didn't seem
to have a head, and that's about all we got
from it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude. It's like when I
first started diving into like cryptids, and I understanding the
graft and Monster was that it was like this like
a morphous thing, and that's how it's always even even
like with this like it's still kind of described as
like a muscular, like a morphous thing, like you know,
some images of it are like almost like a blob
looking thing. That has like arms coming out of it,
and other ones are like, you know this figure I

(01:01:00):
have where it's like this definite, muscular, white headed, almost
like ghostly looking thing, Like, I don't know, It's one
of those weird things that I feel like if anything
could fall into like the interdimensional possibility, like this is
probably one of those like key points just because it
was something weird. But again, people just had a hard
time really describing what they saw, or on the other

(01:01:20):
flip side of it, maybe it's because of the fact that,
like we talk about all the time in the show,
that people need something to relate something to So if
you see something that's just nothing is relatable to it,
it's like how do you describe it? And then it
just becomes this thing that becomes indescribable because you didn't
have something to use as a point of reference to
try to describe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
It, unless you describe it as a refrigerator.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, a refrigerator or a fucking polar bear.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
So anyway, in recent years, the town of Grafton has
like really embraced this legend and it has become a
popular destination for cryptid enthusiast. You know a lot of
people who are hitting like the West Virginia Cryptid Highway
if you will. This I thought was hilarious. It's one
of my favorite aspects of this story. So in twenty eighteen,

(01:02:07):
a large sign depicting the Grafton Monster was put up
on Riverside Drive, like next to where the initial sighting was. However,
this sign, slash, billboard, whatever you want to call it,
it soon went missing, and it was initially discovered that
the sign was stolen by a West Virginia University student
who was displaying it in his dorm room, which is

(01:02:29):
the most drunk college kid thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
That is fucking awesome. That's like on the level of
like the people that would well, do you have big
boys in your state? I don't know how far out
that goes. Restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I mean I've seen some big boys, but no so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Big Boy the restaurant in Easton, Michigan, they had this giant,
like big Boy fucking statue that they put out front. Yeah,
and it's just they would always go fucking missing. People
would steal them. That's like that level of hijinks of
like how did you fucking accomplish that? Like the shit
where people like take apart the professor's car and like
put it together inside the building or like up on
the roof. Like how do you just steal a fucking

(01:03:06):
sign and nobody sees this happen?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Well, I'll tell you how you do it. So I
went to North Carolina State University. Our mascot is the
wolf Pack, so like our bus system was called the
wolf Line. And one time me and my roommates this
was like in the middle of the day on like
a Tuesday, we were driving to bow Jangles to get lunch,
and like one of the Wolfline signs was like loose

(01:03:32):
on the side of the road side a red light.
I jump out with my pocket knife and like cut
this sign. It was like holding on with zip ties
and like cut the wolf Line sign off the pole.
And we had like the Wolfline sign in our living
room for a long time. So, like, this makes perfect
sense to me because I pretty much did the same thing,
just not as cool.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
So well, I'll throw in another story. This may have
happened and may have not happened. It's just an alleged thing.
But allegedly, when I was in high school, there was
this sign for this side street that was called High Street,
and allegedly maybe somebody climbed up there not saying who
in the middle of the night and undid it with bolts,
and it may have stayed in somebody's smoke corner for

(01:04:12):
a little while. So, you know, I was imagining it
as like a bigger sign, but I don't know if
it's a smaller sign. I guess I could see how
it was possible, but I don't know why. I was
imagining this is like a billboard size sign, and I
think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Like a pretty good size, like not like a full
on billboard, but like bigger than like a street sign.
So anyway, this kid shown a lot of ingenuity, a
lot of stick to it. I think this should have
let him keep the sign in his dorm room.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Or at least just you know, you pay the initial fee,
you can keep this one. We'll just get a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
It's already here, so you know, it's gonna take too
much effort to remove in and put it back where
it was, so we'll just get a new one printed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
So in June of twenty twenty four, the town of
Grafton celebrated the sixtieth anniversary of the Monster siding, and
they did this by hosting the the inaugural Grafton Monster Festival,
and like a lot of you know, cryptid festivals we
go to, they had vendors and guest speakers and they
had like a cryptid cosplay contest. But this also coincided

(01:05:12):
with the opening of the Grafton Monster Museum, which is
located at one oh seven West Main Street, so if
you're ever in Grafton, go check that out. Also, the
Grafton Monster has been featured on multiple episodes of the
Travel Channel series Mountain Monsters, so you know, take that
with a grain AsSalt. But anyway, allegedly in a season

(01:05:34):
two episode, allegedly it featured a cattle farmer who claimed
that he captured video footage of the creature attacking his cows.
In the same episode, they interviewed this local hunter who
said that his trail cam captured a photograph of the
creature and he was able to make a plaster cast

(01:05:56):
of the footprint. I couldn't be bothered to watch this
episode because I don't put a whole lot of stock
in those type of shows, but it did make me
wonder if you know, some of these more recent sightings
that are attributed to this thing could actually be bigfoot sightings.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I mean definitely a possibility. I mean, especially the whole
like uh, the white haired bigfoot thing like that's been seen,
and even on the other side of it, like you
have to also consider some more like natural phenomenon that
could have happened. So if you're dealing with this big, giant,
muscular thing that seems like it's partially humanoid in the woods,
you know, mange is definitely thing. Is it possible that
a sasquatch could get mange and when it's just skin

(01:06:33):
tone it maybe looks like a whitish color and super muscular.
I mean, definitely a possibility. I mean this thing could
have been a sasquatch sighting with like mange or some
type of like skin disease where maybe didn't grow hair.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I mean, I don't think you even need to go
as far as the mange and skin disease aspect. I mean,
people talk about all the time and just regular sasquatch
encounters how muscular these things are. And like you said,
I mean white sasquatches are not you know, outside of
the realm of reports and possibility. So I mean I

(01:07:03):
think the initial siding probably could have i' must say
probably was something stranger just because of how weird the
siding was. But like I said, these more recent accounts
I think probably were some sort of sasquatch type entity.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
You know, how you deal with the sasquatch on your property?
Grab his dick and twist Yet, that's a good way
to keep a sasquatch off your property. Probably works for
a grafted monster too. If you ever have any grafting
monsters trying to steal your cows or you know, mothman's
or any encryptids trying to steal any of your livestock,
you know, maybe maybe try grabbing his dick and twisting it.
That might work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Yeah, I've got nothing on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
They wouldn't be expecting it, man, Like you know, most
people run. They fear these things. You know, if you
if you straight up bluff charge them at them, they're
not gonna know what to do right off the bat
from that. But then on top of the bluff charge,
you bluff charge to them to grab their dick and
twist it. Dude, like you're you're gonna catch them off hand. Man,
these things aren't gonna know what to do. That's how
you get sasquatches on the run.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
They're like, this guy's fucking crazy. We're not stealing it anymore.
His fruit. He just grabbed my schalong and he twisted it. Man, Like,
what am I even do in this situation?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And the graft and monster was also featured in the
video Getting Fallout seventy six, like many other cryptis we
talk about on the show. Thanks guys, Now we're going
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Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
The link to that is available down in the show
description and now back to the show, all right, so
kind of bringing it back home, we're going to try
to close out this shit show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
If you can call it that, it's instagramed. I apologize,
it's all my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I do have a few kind of closing thoughts. So
obviously you longtime listeners, if you're still with us, I
don't know why, but anyway, you'll see a lot of
similarities between this and like other cryptids and encounters we've
discussed on the show, like a lot of this apart
from the geography, it really reminds me of the flat

(01:09:31):
Woods Monster encounter, especially like the whistling sound that was
very reminiscent of the craft and the flat Woods Monster encounter.
You know, we talk all the time about things occurring
near water, like high strangeness, encryptid sightings and things like that,
and this gets back to the idea that this monster
or entity whatever it was, was traveling along the river systems.

(01:09:52):
We talked a little bit about the multiple state parks
and wildlife management areas nearby.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Throwing the quarry too, entering its Appalachia and everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
We're there in just a second. So before we get there, though,
something that I also found in this research is Grafton
has like a long history as a railroad community, and
like it's still got like a railroad station and that
whole industry is still very vital to this community. Which
got me thinking about how many times do we hear

(01:10:24):
about strange monster sidings around railroad tracks or crossroads or
things like that that are associated with like liminality and
liminal spaces.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I mean, even some of the areas that have the
railroad tracks, it seems like they're usually like the divergent
points of stories too, Like we kind of covered with
like middle way and a lot of that stuff too.
Like when you have these good travel points, regardless which
way you want to look at it, like stories end
up spreading pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah yeah, And I mean, how many times have we
talked about weird things encryptid sidings near railroad tracks? So
I thought that was kind of interesting. But this next
point was kind of going to be my bring home point,
the thing that I kind of latched onto the most
and thought was the coolest and all this research. So,

(01:11:10):
Grafton is also historically known as a coal mining town,
and we talk all the time about how cryptid activity
and high strangeness and paranormal activity is kind of associated
with disturbing the earth and in addition to coal mining.
You know, we talked about how the initial report happened

(01:11:31):
near a old abandoned rock quarry, and you know, what
disturbs the earth more than like coal mining and quarrying
and things like that. And that got me thinking. And
you know, this is something that I'm not claiming that
I came up with some earth shattering idea. I'm sure
you know countless people have said this, but I just
never so succinctly put the pieces together in my own head,

(01:11:55):
like what is more disturbing of the earth than like
coal mining and stuff? And could that be why there's
so much high strangeness, encryptid sightings and things like that
in Appalachia. Like I'm not doubting that there isn't some
ancient spirits or something like that there, but I mean,
I think a lot of this could have been exacerbated

(01:12:15):
just by this is the area of probably the world,
definitely the country that has been most disturbed. So just
to throw it anywhere to the fact that disturbed not
the people, but no, just like that was kind of
my big aha moment. That I had putting the research
together on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Just to throw in to expand on your thing too
that you were mentioning. You know, we've dived into a
lot of stuff with explosives links to other places, like
fucking Jack Parsons as like a hole. So when it
comes to like coal mining, part of that too is
that you're blowing up certain areas. So it's like, not
only do you have this weird mountain range that already
has all this weirdness to it, but you're also doing

(01:12:56):
explosions and detonations on that. And what we've seen with
a lot of these old occultists that we've carved on
the show, you know, these explosions, these you know, are
there are ways that they attempt to open up other places.
So even if you're not consciously doing it, you know,
if you're blowing up a bunch of T and T
in this area that already has you know, a thin
veil or whatever you want to call it, I mean,
just to continue on with your theory, I mean even

(01:13:18):
more so in just disturbing the land, you're causing explosions
on top of it which have their whole other link
to the occult and opening portals.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah, So, like you said, I think that's kind of
my take home point here is this is an area
that I think probably the veil is just inherently thinner,
and on top of that, it's an area who has
you know, been disturbed more than pretty much anywhere else.
So I think that's kind of a perfect storm for
these kind of weird creature sidings that are so associated

(01:13:46):
with this relatively small geographic area.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
So just to throw in some more on that too,
just for you know, just just maybe a little bit
more real world example of things, like for people that
maybe just don't get into like the whole possibility of
portals all that kind of shit. You know, if you
had these areas that are like coal mining areas, you're
constantly like blowing holes into certain areas, You're opening up
new caverns, you're doing all this type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
These creatures that we're seeing, you know, they may not
be creatures in the aspect that we think they are.
They might just be things that have been living in
these pockets for whatever reason, and we blow a hole
into it and let these things out. It may not
be that there's some interdimensional fucking you know, creature from
another realm, but rather that there are things that were
here that you know, something happened a long time. They

(01:14:29):
started creating a pocket where they're living underground, and then
we just reaccess them, you know, and once they got
out into the world, into the world, now you know,
maybe they weren't adapted to living it anymore. And that's
why these some of these sightings are very short lived.
Was because we let something out. It was out, it died,
that was the end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Well, especially something like the Grafton Monster, who you know,
very conceivably could be some weird albino subundergus thing, you know. So,
I mean, I think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
And I mean even Hopskin feel Olins for example. I
mean all the different caves and everything over there. I'm
sure there was mining and everything going over there over there,
you know, pocket of some small humanoids that are living somewhere,
and somebody opened the access hole and they just came out,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, yeah, so no, I think, you know, like I said,
that's that's kind of my uh. If anybody takes anything
away from any of this craziness we've talked about tonight,
and I know, we've gone on some tangents and kind
of gone off the rails, but I thought this was
a really interesting idea to think about, especially in light
of a lot of the things we've talked about on
the show, and it's definitely something I'm going to keep

(01:15:34):
in mind as we continue to talk more about weirdness
and you know, creature sightings that happen in this area.
So that's basically all I've got for tonight. Do you
have any kind of go home points before we kind
of wrap up, Shane, I mean, the only thing I
really got to say for it is I feel like
you did pretty good jus to this one as far
as you know, kind of differentiating the graft and monster.

(01:15:55):
I feel like for a lot of people, this is
one of those ones that it's just like they don't
really have a full view of the story of this thing.
I don't feel like a lot of shows have covered it.
So I just wanted to point out that, you know,
awesome for compiling the information, uh, throwing all the different
possible theories on it and bringing light to the possibility
of what the grafted monster could be, and also throwing

(01:16:16):
in a different perspective for me because you know, I've
always kind of related it to a cryptid or something
like that, and you know, I hadn't really I mean,
I knew about humming and everything, but I didn't really
put too much thought into it. But I hadn't actually
caught that other sighting about the lady that had seen
it flying. So just a new perspective on it, you
know that you know, it could have been something a
little bit more extraterrestrial. So I just want to thank

(01:16:36):
you for, you know, bringing some new light and shining
new perspective on the grafted monster, because, like I said,
I haven't heard about it talked on a podcast in
a long time, so it felt like you did just
to it. Oh, I appreciate that, man. And you know,
this was a fun one to do. These like old
school cryptid ones I really enjoy. There are a lot
of fun to put together and wed. Yeah, and like

(01:16:57):
we kind of did with the flat Woods, it's it's
kind of fun to find. Like you said, everybody generally
knows the broad strokes of these stories, but to dig,
you know, a little bit below the surface and find
these kind of details that aren't as prevalent and out there,
like the you know, other sidings and the refrigerator explanation

(01:17:18):
and things like that, Like that's what's fun about it
to me, Like everybody knows about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
That polargarone's gonna have me going for a while. I'm
gonna be throwing that one on future shows for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, exactly, everybody knows about like, oh, weird headless white
thing seen. But like it's the stuff that's a little
bit below the surface that's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Because it seems like it was a hoax, like it
got rationalized. But then you look into the rationalizations and
you realize that they're more ridiculous than the possibility of
it just being a monster. And then it's like, all right,
the newspapers reported it as like a hoax or like
nothing ever happens, so most people view it that way.
But then you look into it and you're like, all right,
this is more ridiculous than somebody just seeing a fucking monster, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah, yeah, Like I always say, sometimes it takes more
faith to believe all these coincidences then that something just
legitimately strange happened. So anyway, that's all I got for tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
That would yeah, well we'll definitely still read that one.
We got that one not too long ago where they
left a really sweet review, but it was like one
star and I was like, hey, if you want to
fix that. You could fix that, but they never fixed it.
So maybe they intended to leave us a one star
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Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Well, uh, we'll read five star reviews and one star reviews,
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