#122 The Cisco Grove Encounter

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any one.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Took it.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
And I looked out and there was this big red
glee through the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Something's going off.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
They're not dogs, they're not coyotes.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
What could it be?

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I had an encounter with a skunk cake and it
completely altered the course of my life. I got a
call got building, what.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
About sightings of a uf FO covering over a farm.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Billy woke up from a dream and when I went
into the bedroom, she said, there's a monctre on the wall.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a bombed
wire fence and they were able to obtain cares. They
sent them hairs to their lab and it came back
as an onloine creature.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Creature creature shy o. What is up? Bizarre Rights and
welcome back to the most bizarre showing the Internet. I
am the one that a few people refer to as
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had a little a little bit more on the end.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I was gonna say, are you just adding like something
new to the end, Like progressively, it's just getting longer
and longer intro. Like at some point the intro is
just gonna be the entire show.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, that's it's just gonna be a just giant montage
of just sound clips until we get to the end. See.
I like that one enough. I figured I should run
with it for a few weeks. I'll probably change it
up maybe in like two three weeks or so, but
for now, at least I can add a couple on
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So yeah, there you go. I got I got a
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Speaker 3 (02:10):
Hey, the possibilities are endless, right.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah right, I'm gonna save that one for later. I
might end up using that for something else.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Speaking of endless possibilities, I hear we have some news
and updates for the listeners and viewers.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So I guess before we get into news and updates,
we have some news news first for anybody that may
not have caught it. The legendary Ozzy Osbourne has passed
away yesterday which is very, very unfortunate. How do you
feel about that, sir? Were you an OZ fan or
were you an azy fan?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I mean, I'm not like a huge Ousie Black Sabbath
whatever fan, but obviously, you know, we're very quickly running
out of rock stars, so that kind of makes me sad.
I mean, he's one of the big names in rock
and roll, and uh, pretty soon we're not gonna have
any more of these guys left, So I mean it's
definitely a bummer. But God knows, this guy lived a

(02:57):
full life. I mean, it's kind of hard to feel
sorry for him, I guess, but uh, yeah, sad nonetheless.
And as long as we've still got Willie Nelson and
Keith Richard's alive and kicking, I think we're good to
go for a little bit longer. But yeah, definitely sad news.
And kind of piggybacking off of that, the Hulkster died today,
so it's just been a bad day for aging pop

(03:18):
culture icons.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I mean one of those things with IZC I
was like, not necessarily like, oh my god, I'm a
big OZ fan, but you know, it was one of
those things that my parents listened to him. It was
always kind of on in the background and stuff. So
it's kind of one of those things that I didn't
have like a super close field of the music where
it was like my favorite thing. But it's one of
those things that's still kind of was in the background
in my childhood, so it's still kind of hit in
a weird spot. But honestly, that last concert last week

(03:41):
where the last song was my Mom going Home, and
he was like crying while he was doing it. Dude
like that dude knew he was gonna he was gonna go.
And then I saw an interview afterwards where he said
he stopped taking all his medications that he could sing
properly to just do one last show because that was
the one last thing that he could wanted to do.
Like it's just it was it was just sad, man like,
like I'm happy that he was able to play that
last show and stuff, like he went out like a

(04:02):
legend and stuff, but it was just it was a
sad ending but kind of a heartfell denting. I guess
you could say, you know, but I don't know, man,
It's just one of those things that it's just the
build up at the end that kind of made it
like extra sad. But on the other thing, of course,
you know, Hulk Hogan one of my childhood heroes. Man
like that is that is so fucking sad. Man like
I did. That guy was just at Trump rally semi recently.

(04:23):
Seemed like he was like up and active, Like I
didn't think that one was coming anytime soon. Man like
Hulk Hogan, Like.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
What like me, Hulk Hogan?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, that guy, Like how I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, I know he's been kind of problematic, we'll just
say in recent years and in his older age. But
I mean every ten year old boy loves Hulk Hogan.
I mean, you know, I'm a big wrestling fan. He's
not my favorite wrestler, never was, but yeah, sad nonetheless,
and now he's saying his prayers and taking his vitamins

(04:56):
in heaven.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I guess, hey, well, at least he gets to have
one last death well I don't want to call it
a death match, but one last match at least with well,
actually eternal matches with you know, Macho Man, Randy Savage,
like all the legends, Andre at the Giant, you know,
Mega Powers, the Megapowers man. So at least at least
he's got got a little bit more wrestling left in him.
But I guess with that news.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Of course, you remember you spent four months in my house.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well no, I didn't, Ausy, I'm sorry, I like you
just want to be remembered one last time. He had
to throw winning one last line, just like his one
last show.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
But well, and hey, I guess Ozzie in a roundabout
way is kind of paranormal related at this point, since
like Jack Osborne does all his like ghost hunting and
bigfoot hunting and things like that, so hey, it's sort
of kind of topical.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I guess you're kind of right with that one.
At least we should maybe at some point it do
a little episode to see if he's had any interesting investigations.
But maybe you should to check into that first to
see if there is anything interesting or if it's like
you know, ghost adventures interesting where it's not anything we
can really cover on the show.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
But it's probably more like that. But anyway, not to
do rail us.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, going into our news as far as the actual
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to deal with it in the first place, and I
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So with that being said, of course, we are now
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Speaker 3 (08:34):
All right, guys, So tonight's episode is one that Shane
put together. It's a topic that I know who's been
working on for a while and been excited to share
with you guys. We're gonna do kind of like an
old school Alien episode tonight, since we did an old
school Cryptid episode last week. This was something that I
wasn't super duper familiar with, so I'm excited to learn
along with our listeners. Shane, why don't you tell everybody

(08:56):
what we got going on tonight?

Speaker 2 (08:57):
So tonight, this is one that I've been wanting to
put together for a while, kind of like you've been saying,
it's one of those ones that I kind of hear sporadically,
but I haven't really heard too many shows really give
it just And the reason it took me so long
was because I wanted to make sure I read the book,
added all the good details to it, checked hern online,
make sure there was an other interviews where he was
mentioning other things. So without further ado, we will be
diving into the Cisco Grove alien encounter, and it is

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going to be referenced from this wonderful book right here,
Aliens in the forest, the Cisco Grove UFO encounter. The
two investigators were no Teria or Terris and Reuben Uritia.
I don't know how to say their names. That was
why I kind of left it out of the show notes.
But they were the primary investigators for it. But this story,
of course came from Donald Shroom himself, which we will

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be diving into right now. So first and foremost to
get into it. Donald Shrum's bizarre encounter in Cisco Grove,
California is a case that is endured in the UFO
community for over over the decades, despite its rather strange nature.
As one ufologist stayed in two twenty fIF Perhaps the
reason it is completely absurd, and yet there's a good
reason to suspect it happened. Aside from the bizarre details

(10:07):
it offers. One of the main reasons for suspicion from
skeptics is the fact that the incident has only one witness. However,
Donald Trum only only relatively recently as of twenty eleven,
allowed the use of his real name with these accounts
slash writing of the book Aliens in the or Aliens
in the Forest. The Cisco Grove Ufone counter this was

(10:27):
due to his fear of losing his job as a
rocket propulsion engineer. I figured that you might have an
interest in that, and Donald Trump even turned down a
considerable amounts of money due to his stance. Hardly the
action of a hoaxer in my opinion. And I guess
you probably want to make a comment on that rocket
propulsion engineer thing before you go too much farther.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Oh no, I mean, I think it kind of speaks
for itsel. If you know any of our longtime listeners,
we are big fans of Jack Parson on this show,
our boy Jack Parsons excuse me, And you know he
was a rocket propulsion engineer and had all sorts of
other strange things happened to him. So I think it's
kind of odd that this guy was also a rocket
propulsion engineer and had some strange shit happened to him.

(11:09):
And from what I was to get into it and
learn more from.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
What I was reading too, he wasn't just like a
like a grunt like this guy was like a pretty
intelligent guy working pretty far up there where he was
working on stuff with I believe, like the spaceships and
stuff like that at the time, So he was working
on stuff. So getting back into it, whatever did happen
that evening in September nineteen sixty four in the northern
region of California is open to debate. However, it would

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recently seemingly appear that Shroom is a credible witness, as
his account is one that should receive further investigation and
comparison alongside other ever emerging incidents. There are a few
details in Donald Trum's account that appear in instances such
as the recent Peruvian face peelers and the Victorian age
spring Hill jack reports. So just some additional information that

(11:54):
I wanted to give as far as this area goes,
this was just like a little reference in the book
that they had like a picture the area, like a
map of it from like back in the day, and
they had like a little paragraph underneath it, and it said,
back in eighteen forty eight, the area of Cisco Grove
was part of the gold Country in California. Pacer County
was named in nineteen fifty one when it became a
mining town for gravel deposits, which also contained gold. On

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top of containing gold, this area also yielded other natural
treasures such as uranium, which we all know all seems
to be linked to UFO activity, and so does the gold,
of course. So I just figured that we'd throw that
one in there because maybe it's important, maybe it's not,
but either way, it's still need to get thrown in there.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm still kind of an interesting detail, especially with like
the like you said, the whole gold alien Onunaki type connections,
and also kind of like we talked about in last
week's episode with the graft and monster. You know, mining
and disturbing the earth goes hand in hand with a
lot of these high strangeness accounts. So just you know
how it seems like we get on these kicks with

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things and we don't plan all these kind of connections
between different topics, but here's a small one at least
to get us started tonight.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
See, and I added this detail in because there's a
spot later on you'll see what I'm talking about that
that just seems kind of weird, and I'll I'll point
it back out when we get to that point. But
getting into the actual encounter itself, this is on the
evening of September fourth, nineteen sixty four, twenty eight year
old Donald Trum, along with two friends, Vincent Alvarez and
Tim Trueblood, were hunting in the Tahoe National Forest near

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Cisco Grove, California. All had considerable experience bow hunting, and
we're all overall general outdoorsmen. Don in particular was an
experienced hunter of ten years, hunting with guns and a bow,
and he commented he preferred the bow and had better
luck with it. Anyways, On this particular night, after having
established a base camp about three miles from Route forty,
they decided to go late hunting for deer, perhaps due

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to their comfort in the outdoor environment. With the night
fast approaching, no less, all agreed they would push deep
into the woods in pursuit of their targets, and if
they had to, they would spend the night in the
woods and rendezvous back at the camp in the morning.
Before long, all were separated and venturing after their potential kills.
The men had no walkie talkies or other means of communication,
but kept each other in sight for a while and

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remained within shouting distance. They quickly became separated when Don
When Don began on top of a rich realizing that
he would have to go around, which was a greater
distance than any of them actually anticipated. With daylight losing
its battle against the night, Schroom would make the decision
to find somewhere to bet down for the night, or

(14:32):
more accurately bet up. Shrom had with him his military
belt or military style belt, which allowed him to secure
himself to a tree. Given the number of wild animals
who might wish to turn the tables on the hunter,
Shrum believed this was a preferred option to camping to
camping on the ground alone and ultimately defenseless, and just
as an additional detail, they had like some news reports

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and apparently around this time, there was a lot of
cougar attacks in this area. Supposedly so probably the most
logical thing to do was probably strap yourself up in
a tree. But you know, these.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Unless you want to get attacked by a cougar kind
of sexy.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's a different side of cougar. You're not looking for
those in the forest, You're looking for those in the city.
My friend, what is that fucking thing? It's a cougar.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
So before you jump back in, I kind of just
did want to point out that all this happened in
a national forest. That's kind of funny too, Yep.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Of course, every all this weird stuff happens in a
national forest. And like the encounter gets even weirder because
just wait till we get into like the description of
the UFO and these beings. I made sure that I
got pictures for it because you guys, you have to
see this. Like this shit is so fucking weird, Like
it almost kind of reminds me of I don't know,
like some of the like like you remember Ron Moorehado
He's talking about like like the light up like or

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bars and stuff like that. Ye, Like, the UFO wasn't
like a lit up bar or but for whatever reason,
it just kind of reminded me of that and seemed
like reminiscent of it, because it almost this kind of
seems like, you know how you look at two pieces
of technology, they may not be the same, and you
kind of just say, those two things look like they
kind of belong together, you know, like Apple headphones, Apple phone,
like Google phone, Google headphones, like they're separate things, but

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they look like they belong together. Right when you see
this ufhone, you think about like the or the bars
that Ron moorehead would talk about, which was also California,
but a little bit more south, Like it just seems
like they would they would belong to each other. And
once you get into like the aliens themselves here and
you see like what they were doing exactly, then the
orbs are not the orbs, but the orb bars almost

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kind of take on like this this probe mentality. Like again,
I don't know if they're related, but when I was
reading through this, I just had this weird thought in
the back of my mind that they just seemed like
they were something that were reminiscent of each other.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
All right, guys, we gotta take another break. We'll be
right back, and now we're getting back to the bazaar.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
But hopping back in. Shortly after securing himself for the night, However,
a strange light appeared in the distance of more concern
to Shroom. It was zigzagging around the trees at low
altitude and heading towards him. He stated, it looked like
a head, like a flashlight or a lantern at first,
bobbing up and down, but it was below the horizon.
I saw it go up and over a tree and

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then down, and I thought, maybe it's a helicopter. I
thought my friends had gotten a helicopter from the Forest
Service and figured they were coming out looking for me.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So, if you don't mind, I was saving my comment
until you got to this part, the bobbing up and
down and kind of looking like a flashlight or lantern.
That sounds very much like orb type activity to me.
You know, we talk all the time about these orbs
being sighted in national park's National forest what have you,
and you know, in concert with other high strangeness, cryptid activity,

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alien sightings, whatnot. So I thought that was like a
really interesting aspect that I actually like highlighted it when
I was reading through your notes because I wanted to
bring that up. So I'm glad you talked about the
whole kind of orb connection to this.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And I'll bring up the picture of the UFO next
before we hop back in. But I forgot to bring
this up. This is Donald Trump back when he was
twenty eight when this experience happened. This is one of
the pictures from the book if anybody was curious what
this gentleman looks like. And supposedly this was the tree
that he lodged himself up into after climbing up on
this ridge. As it mentioned in the book, he grabbed
on a couple branches and then he basically like shimmied

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himself up this tree and kind of kind of he
wasn't like on like a branch branch. He was kind
of like leaned up against the back of the tree.
But I'll show you some pictures when we get farther in,
so you can kind of see like his location in
the tree. But still interesting, this was the tree itself.
And then getting into some of the UFO drawings, like
this is him lodged up in the tree. And see
what I'm talking about where he's not like strapped to

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the branch, He's trapped like the back of the tree.
But this is what this thing looked like this was
the original like when it was coming up to him,
And this is one of the people who were researching
it's artist rendition. And then this one is Donald Trum's
rendition that he redrew in two thousand, showing what he
saw back then.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
So that one there kind of looks more like the
kind of cigar shaped UFOs we talk about a lot nowadays.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, it's like cigar shaped, but also kind of like
like I said, it just feels like it has like
that same reminiscence as those bars that Ron Moorehead was
talking about, Like it just looks like the technology belongs
to together, Like you see what I'm talking about from
the picture.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, so this rendering here looks much more like almost
pill shaped than the previous one does.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, this was one of the ones that was done
by one of the artists. And like I said, this
was Donald Trump. Obviously not the best artist in the world,
so I think he was trying his best. But obviously
he was involved in writing the book, and from what
I was reading, he said that like these were better
renditions of it. It was just that was his picture
that he drew. Yea, he was talking about it, but
hopping back in all right, Thinking his two friends had

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arranged his search for him after all, he jumped from
the tree and quickly released three of his flare to
give away his location. As he was waving his arms
and yelling for attention, he began to realize what was
heading his way. And it wasn't and it wasn't a
rescue helicopter at all. The glowing object finally stopped around
fifty yards from his position. It was spherical, but unlike

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anything he had seen before. He quickly made his way
back up the tree, making sure his bow was at
the ready. Fear was now escalating at an unstoppable rate
within him. That fear would rise even more when three
small humanoid creatures emerged from the craft and began making
their way straight towards him. As they came closer, he
could see that while two of them were most definitely humanoid,

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the third was more robot like. And let me bring
up the pictures of these guys. While these are them
emerging coming from the trees towards him to another cool
artist rendition, of course, and these are supposedly what these
guys looked like. And I'm gonna get into his verbatim
description of these as I have these pictures up. This

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is direct quote from the book. He stated the humanoids
were short and stocky, about five feet tall, dressed in
a tight fitting, light colored uniform, possibly a whitish silver.
The uniform appeared to be one piece, and it had
bellows at the elbows and knees of the suit. The
creature's head was covered by either a tight fitting hood
or helmet. Their faces were dark and featureless, the only

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striking characteristic being circular eyes that almost appeared like welding goggles.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
And so I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I was just gonna say, before I get into the
description of the robot, did you have any comments.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, so I just wanted to kind of chime in
with the circular eyes that almost appeared like welder goggles.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Do you kind of see him in the picture. They're
kind of faded out, but you can kind of see
him a little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah. This whole thing kind of sounds vaguely reminiscent to
me of the Hopkinsville Goblins, like these silverish kind of
suits or you know, some people say that the goblins
their skin was the silver, but it seems to me
that they were probably wearing some sort of suit, and
they also had these you know, big dark goggle like eyes,

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so obviously, you know, it doesn't appear that the humanoids
that mister Shrum encountered had like those big ears or anything.
But yeah, just a couple of connections right off the
bat that I noticed.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
And just to like throw it in too, I know,
we talk a lot about the whole idea about like
underground dwellers, which is definitely a possibility when it comes
to the big eyes the goggles, but there seems to
still be this like UFO connection even with like the
hopskin gill goblins that there was the UFO scene beforehand.
And I mean, there're two different possibilities. Either one, you
have the possibility of these things are coming from underground
and that's where the UFOs are coming from, and you

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get into the whole theory that I've thrown before about
these things actually using the magnetic fields of the planet
and that's how they're able to move zero gravities because
they're using magnetic fields, or the other possibility. I mean,
I don't know how it would exist with life because assumably,
you know, you need some type of like sun or
some type of light in order for life to start
to thrive on a planet. But is it possible, But

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there could be certain planets in certain galaxies whatever that
don't necessarily spin the same or they kind of have
the same thing kind of going on, as like certain
places on Earth where you know, you'll have like eight
months where it's just dark and then there's a couple
months of light. Do you think that like over time,
things would adapt to kind of fit more towards the
dark than towards the light if they get more time

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where it's towards the dark, where they would start getting
these bigger like goggles and eyes. Because I know a
lot of people throw the underground theory, but if you
want to get into the extraterrestrial theory, like I'm just
trying to think about the possibility about how there could
be like a dark planet or something where you would
develop to have bigger eyes or maybe I don't know
what you what's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well, I mean I think that's definitely a possibility. We
see that basically here on Earth with you know, like
fish and stuff that live in caves become blind and
you know, albino and things like that. So I mean,
if we can see that happening with lower life forms
here on Earth, it would make sense that that would,
you know, theoretically happen somewhere out there in the universe.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
The only thing I'll kind of caveat with that is,
you know, you would think if these you know, highly
advanced civilizations had the ability for interstellar travel and you know,
all these technological advances, they probably would have created lights
at some point. But I don't know, maybe their eyes

(24:22):
you know, developed to this you know, big bulbous goggle
looking extent before they develop technology and lights, who knows.
But I mean, nonetheless, I think it's a fun kind
of topic to think about and connect to other things
we've talked about on the show.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, definitely, that's what I was thinking, that they
probably developed beforehand. And then it's a matter of like
they just don't need as much light, Like they probably
have lights, they're just more like dim lights. And that
kind of goes into the other possibility I was thinking,
if you.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Seem like a moon eyed people type situation.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, like so they still are can taking light, it's
just they spend more time in the dark and it's
just kind of dim light. But even kind of expanding
out of that. I mean, if it's theoretically possible that say,
like a species planet or something got destroyed and they've
been living on like space ships or some type of
like something that they built that's been existing in space
for who knows how long at this point, you know,
if you're spending time in space, you're looking off into

(25:12):
like the dark vastness of space, you're just seeing little
lights off in the distance. Like, would it eventually get
to a point where you might start to develop where
your eyes would get bigger in order to pull up
more light and be able to see better like in
those space conditions, and even just having bigger eyes being
able to probably focus in and see things a lot
clearer than somebody like that has human size eyes possibly,

(25:32):
And then even from there, I mean, if you're living
out in space and your planet was destroyed whatever, you know,
assumably you have some type of like nuclear power or
something like that. But even on the theoretical side, I mean,
you probably consume less power having to light your ship
up completely if you just have dim runner lights throughout
the ship. I mean, it seems like it inevitably could work,
you know, like maybe maybe it has something to do
with just them being in space, that if you're enough

(25:53):
to spend enough time in space, you start to develop
where you fit the needs of space. Because you know,
you talk about with humans that when they spend too
much time up in space, like they start losing like muscle,
they start losing this like what's the inevitable end process
of that? Could it be what we're looking at as
grays that the reason why they don't have all this
muscle development they have giant eyes is because you know,

(26:14):
they lost that muscle development because they didn't need it
because they were out in space, and then they developed
bigger eyes to see better out in space. I mean,
definitely another possibility.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean I think all those are, you know,
definitely possibilities. But I think obviously we could sit here
and discuss what ifs all night. But I think the
kind of the big point about all this is this
motif of like these large eyes or goggle like eyes
that keep popping up time and time again, and a
lot of the different subjects we talk about, like we said,

(26:45):
the moon eyed people, the Hopkinsville goblins, and then of
course like alien grays and now maybe yeah, so I mean,
apart from, you know, all the hot ifs and the
possibilities out there, I think just the fact that this
is a motif we keep seeing pop up time and
time again, is you know, kind of the more important
point here to me.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And speaking of that, of course, getting into the description
of the robot, because I'm sure you probably have some
thoughts on this one too. The creature Shremen referred to
as the robot had reddish orange eyes, no apparent nose,
and a large mouth and jaw and square jaw mechanism.
He called it a hingehaw or something, and added that
the creatures had looked metal or dark gray of some kind. Also,

(27:28):
its hands resembled human hands wearing the gloves from a
suit of armor and appeared hinged at the finger joints.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, so this encounter happened in nineteen sixty four, correct, Yes, sir, so,
I read through the notes, but I hadn't seen these
pictures that you're sharing with us until right now. So
when I saw this picture of the robot man, this
is like the most like nineteen fifties ass B movie

(27:57):
Day the Earth stood still, ass looking row robot I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
It looks like what's that name of that movie when
we were kids, the cartoon with the giant robot.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
The Iron Giant.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, it looks like the Iron Giant.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
So, like I actually believed this story a lot more
before I saw the picture of the robot, Like and
this could be one of those situations of course, with
the uh phenomenon wearing masks and presenting itself based on
the person and you know, kind of their frame of reference.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Something about the depiction of this robot just makes this
whole thing seem slightly less credible to me.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, let me throw this in. He says that it's
a robot, But you know, look at the two together.
Could it be possible that the robot is simply just
one of the ones on the bottom wearing some type
of suit and that helmet the locking jaw has some
type of like purpose, Like maybe it's like a I
don't know, maybe it's like their defense suit. Like if
they're going down and they're scouting or doing whatever, they
send somebody down in one of these suits and it's

(28:55):
like their berserker suit or something like that. Like it
may look ridiculous, but sometimes some of these like I
always suits the government works on look a little bit ridiculous.
Like the body structure looks semi the same. The hinge
joints look the same, Like even looking at uh, like
these guys right here, Like the hinge joints are the same,
the little elbow joints, like everything kind of looks the same.
Like it could just be whatever this being is wearing,

(29:15):
like some type of suit.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean that's definitely possible. But like I said,
what I keep going back to is, Okay, this guy
was twenty eight years old in nineteen sixty four. This
is the exact fucking like mental image somebody who was
a teenager in the nineteen fifties would have had for
what a robot looks like.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You know, ain't that the truth? Yeah? I mean not
the alien thing. I mean, let's see, when was like
the typical image of like an alien really like solidified.
That was probably like the fifties, right.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well, I don't know, so, I mean, this is something
we've talked about on the show a lot. Before the
Betty and Barney Hill encounter, there was this idea of
like space men, and this is almost more you know,
in line with that kind of thinking. And then Once
the Betty and Barney Hill encounter happened, the kind of
popular depictions and kind of cultural zeitgeist around aliens shifted

(30:08):
more toward like the Grays. So at this point in time,
I mean, I don't know off the top of my
head what year Betty and Barney Hill was. It was
around this same time period, I believe.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Wasn't it like fifty eight or sixty eight or something
like that. I feel like there's.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Natives fifty six and this is probably something we should
know off the top of our heads. But yeah, that
same general time period. But yeah, this seems very much
closer to the whole like space men, idea rocket ships,
you know, all that kind of like back to the
future type ideas of aliens in space travel than you know,
the later depictions of the Grays and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So just to bring it up because I feel bad
not knowing it. September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one, So that
was three years before this that the Betty and Barney
Hill encountered, Na says.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
In just a few years before this.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Then Yep, we apologize guys for the interference, but we
will be right back and now back to the show.
So hop him back in let's see here. The two

(31:12):
humanoids began to shake the tree, obviously in an effort
to force him from it. Where the fuck He began
to cling on it with all of his strength. However,
when a white vapor shot out from the robotic creature's
mouth he later realized it was it knocked him unconscious
only momentarily. However, aside from an intense feeling of nausea,
he was unharmed. He began lighting the matches he used

(31:34):
for his flares, dropping them towards the trio in an
effort to force them away. Although they would back away
for a short time, they continued their assault. Do you
have a comment on this one?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Far?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I keep going.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
No, you can go ahead.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Let's see if I can bring up the next picture here.
I now there it is. I got a picture of
him getting assaulted by the vapor, of course, because all
this wonderful artwork throughout the book. By the time, Schruman
had managed to load an arrow into his bow and
let it fly in the robot's direction. Seconds later, a
shower of sparks flew into the air, suggesting a direct hit.
As quickly as he could, he fired two more arrows
in the general vicinity of the creature's location, causing him

(32:09):
to back away. However, before he could take advantage of
the situation, a second robot appeared and once again, a
white vapor hit shroom, causing him to lose consciousness. And
I do have pictures of him, of course, throwing stuff
down from the tree lit on fire towards the humanoids.
And I also have this awesome picture of the robot
reflecting the arrow.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, that's not doing a whole lot to discredit my
nineteen fifties B movie robot theory.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Tell me that doesn't look like Iron Man like just
because of like the impact on the chest. It looks
like the middle chest bolt with the handback on the
hand forward like that looks like a straight up Iron
Man pose right there.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Well, no, I think you nailed it a few minutes ago.
It looks like the Iron Giant, Like for all of
our listeners out there, like, this is exactly what this
thing looks like. So just whatever your mental image of
old school, you know, nineteen fifties era robot is, I
promise you that's exactly what it looks.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like, minus the little like fringe on the top of
the top of the iron giant's head. That's ideally it. Yeah,
as before, he must have been out for only a
short while, as the creatures were still below him and
it was still very much dark. However, the two humanoids
were now attempting to climb the tree. He began to
light anything he could and then drop it down as

(33:27):
to to tear them, including pieces of his clothing, his
baseball cap, and a few coins which the humanoids collected.
For some reason. When he could no longer use clothes,
he would send branches, pines, and anything else that he
could get his hands on. And this was the point
that I was trying to make, and I'll bring it
back up in a couple paragraphs, that these things are
like scouting. They're looking for stuff. Like they picked up

(33:48):
this guy's coins, they collected them, and from what he said,
they took them. They didn't take anything else, but they
were interested in the coins, and they like inspected them
and then took them.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well, I'm gonna have a point about the coins, but
I'm gonna wait till you make a point here later
that I know is in the notes.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
And here's another picture of this was one that Donald
Truman did like I said, not the best artist. It
kind of looks like elementary school kid did it. But
the two humanoids, the robots hanging off to the side,
and him sitting up in the tree strapped to it,
as I was saying, like strapped to the back of
the tree, because seeing the original picture, it's kind of like,
how do you strip the shelf to that tree? And
shooting his bows down at this air at this robotic creature.

(34:27):
So with an effort to tear them by shaking the
tree and throwing what he could, the humanoids would back
up from the base of the tree about twenty five feet.
While this was going on, three or four more humanoids
appeared and comb the area for what seemed like samples
of vegetation, which.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
And this is the point I was gonna wait for.
So if they were collecting samples of vegetation and they're
collecting coins, I mean, what are coins made out? They're
made out of metal and elements that are here on Earth.
So I think that makes a lot of sense in
light of this collecting samples of vegetation. And here again
this three or four more of these little humanoid bug

(35:04):
eyed things showing up. Also very reminiscent of Hopkinsville.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And just to throw on another point, like he was
up in the tree, so he was kind of looking
at them and assuming that they're picking up vegetation. Could
it also have been possible that they may have been
picking up like ground samples to figure out what was
in the area to see if they maybe you could
take something in the area, aka the gold and uranium,
And like you were saying, connecting in with taking the coins, like,
I think their interest may have been in the science
of the vegetation, but what I think they're really looking

(35:30):
for was a particular like material.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well, and this really isn't a spoiler, but it seemed
like they weren't like benevolent toward this guy. They weren't
trying to hurt him or anything. They were like kind
of fucking with him more than anything else, which again
very Hopkinsville esque. You know, these things weren't necessarily like
trying to attack and harm these guys. They were just

(35:53):
kind of screwing with them and seemed curious more than
anything else. So, I mean, I know we're going to
talk about other connections here later on, but that's one
that I keep going back to that you didn't explicitly
lay out in the notes that I just think is
super duper interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I wish I would have, because a thinking of another connection.
Him shooting the robot seems pretty reminiscent again of the
dude shooting the Hopskinsville goblin, and then it just bounces
back up and continues on what it's doing. He shot
the robot, it sparked, and then it just continued on
what it was doing, so saf thingly.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
And in Hopkinsville they talked about, you know this like
metal pinging sound when they shot these things, like a
bullet hitting a bucket, So yes, very similar.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
And hopping back in. While this nocturnal standoff played out,
the strange aerial vehicle suddenly shot upwards and out of sight.
The strange creatures below, however, continued undeteered by these events,
and while Schroom could hold them off temporarily, they would
ultimately return. Then, at some point during the night, the
two robots appeared beneath Shroom's tree and appeared to link up.

(36:52):
He said, they stood facing each other and it just
looked like a bunch of flashing going on between them,
like arc flashes. They lit up the whole area beneath
the tree, going back and forth between the two. And
I also do have a picture of this supposedly happening
from the book if you were kind of curious.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Okay, so I was curious about that. Like the direct
quote wasn't like super clear. So it looks like from
the kind of drawing rendition here, it looks like it's
just like sparks going from their like one chest of
the robot to the other. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, it was described as basically there was like an
arc spark going back and forth between the two chests
of the robots, and then it'll it'll continue on with
one ends up happening after. But yeah, they were like
standing face to face underneath the tree and like lighting
up the area with these like hopping arc sparks going
back and forth from between each other's chests.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay, all right, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
And the next thing, shrum knew, a thick cloud of
the knockout vapor was heading in his direction. In the
seconds that followed, he was knocked unconscious yet again. So
I don't know if there's a connection between the arc
reactions and that vapor, But I don't know, Like I'm
I'm still I don't know what exactly the roots were
doing trying to light up the area like two birds
one stone. Maybe they're just trying to scare them out

(38:06):
of the tree. I don't know what they're interested like,
it doesn't seem like they're trying to necessarily hurt him.
It just seems like you kind of mentioned like they're
they're interested in him. So the arc thing gets kind
of kind of weird because it is it like, are
they trying to hurt him? Are they just trying to
like create a giant spark to like scare him out
of the tree, or I mean even going into the
whole like light aspect of like UFOs and things like that. Like,

(38:29):
I don't know, Maybe is it possible this arc reaction
could have been something that they were trying to do
to quote like abduct him or something like that. Possibly,
I mean, what was your thoughts on it?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So I know this is something we're gonna touch on
a little bit at the end. But the whole kind
of knockout vapor thing reminds me a lot of flat
Woods and this kind of mist that made people sick
and they talked about in the flat Woods encounter. Also,
how like the spacecraft had like this like buzzing, almost

(39:02):
like electrical magnetism to it. I almost wonder if it's
like something of that nature that was going on here,
and maybe this like knockout gas is just a side
effect of whatever, you know, the process of converting energy
for these spacecrafts or these robots or whatever is.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
And I was going to leave this towards the end
for like theories and stuff like that, But talking about
the whole aspect of the UFO phenomenon like I always
do that, I think that there's definitely like a human
component to it, you know, talking about like the mind
control aspect that the government's been diving into for years,
the LSD experiments, all of that type of stuff. Could
it have been possible considering that this was only a

(39:45):
couple of years after Betty and Barney Hill and I
threw in my whole theory on that with using psychedelics
possibly to influence those people, is it possible that this
vapor could have been another experiment as far as creating
some type of mind control or some type of vapor
that you'd be able to abduct people with. And the
reason why these look like ridiculous robot suits from the
fifties is because they were people and these other things

(40:07):
that we're searching were people. And I don't know whatever
the government's interest was in the area, Like who knows,
it's a national park. They could have had something beyond
what we're even thinking there, could have been possibly looking
for there, like they could have been looking for some
other phenomenon altogether. But I don't know, Like, it doesn't
seem as ridiculous if you correlate it to it possibly
being humans in the whole UFO abduction phenomenon.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
So I think that's a tremendous point. And I was
kind of going to piggyback off of that before you
got there. So Okay, let's just for argument's sake, say
the bed and Barney Hill encounter was a true to
foil alien abduction, no kind of government chicanery going on there.
It's an actual abduction. So if they see this, they,

(40:50):
being in the government, see this as an opportunity to,
like you said, experiment with humans and whatnot. Like you said,
it would make sense that. Okay, our technology at that
point probably wasn't where we could replicate the Grays and
what happened to Betty and Barney Hill. But we got
these nineteen fifties ass looking robots. We can do that.
And something that I thought was kind of interesting as

(41:12):
you were talking through this, Yes, this is a national park,
national forest, whatever it was, but you talked about kind
of the uranium and mineral deposits, and what popped into
my head is, I guess it's probably been about a
year ago now, but do you remember when we talked
about the hurricane conspiracy theories here in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, and just for the sake of the listeners, just
refresh them up a bit on the EAC, I remember,
but just for the listener's sake in case they didn't
listen to bizarre increase.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Okay, So I live in the state of North Carolina.
About a year ago, the area around Asheville, which is
in the mountains, had this like horrible hurricane hit. This
is an area that you know, hurricanes don't hit, never
happened before. This was like terrible, like basically decimated whole towns,
wiped entire towns off the map. It still hasn't recovered,

(42:05):
you know, a year later. And so in the wake
of this, a lot of kind of conspiracy theories popped
up and what was interesting about it. You know, basically
this happening right down the road in real time seeing it.
Even people that like I work with that aren't conspiracy
people were talking about like some of these conspiracy theories.
But anyway, one of the big ones is this area

(42:28):
where this happened contains like one of the largest lithium
deposits in the world. So that almost got me thinking, Well,
to back up a second, you know a lot of
people have suggested like weather manipulation type stuff, and you know,
this was all a play for the government to seize
this land to get these lithium deposits. But anyway, I

(42:48):
almost wonder if there's like something like that going on
here where the government almost wanted these mineral reserves and
this uranium and whatnot for whatever their purposes were. And
I know that was like super long winded and a tangent,
but anyway, it's just what it made me think of.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
No, I definitely think that, Like I said, it seems
like it's I like getting into the UFO stuff. Don't
get me wrong, but I feel like the more research
I do, the more of these connecting ties I get
into where it's like, yes, this is UFOs. Yes, this
definitely seems like it has some human touches to it,
and this is definitely one of those ones. And again
just going into like national parks and stuff like that,
like there's I feel like there's no matter what it is,

(43:25):
there's a million conspiracies on why those particular areas are designated.
You know, typical consensus is because of their beauty, but
I think it's because of other dynamics to them. But
as part of like the main syop because of course,
if you're doing these continued experiments so to speak, you
kind of have to fit the boxes and check the
boxes as far as UFO stuff goes. So like he said,
they were collecting vegetation, but were they just doing that

(43:48):
so that it would fit the motif and be part
of the story. But again, they were actually collecting like
soil samples to figure out where exactly stuff was, and
they were just trying to play aliens to make it
seem like, oh, this is a weird alien thing, you know,
so everybody will associate with that instead of them being
in this area looking for a particular thing. And I'm
kind of curious now because I'm making these big connections

(44:09):
now with like the stuff in the area, I want
to see if I can find this exact spot and
see if anything's like happened to it. But I don't
even know if you'd find that information because obviously if
they're secretly looking for this shit, even if they totally
like tore up an area looking for stuff, I feel
like it would be one of those things that's like
covered on Google Maps, Like you wouldn't have access to
that area to be able to go out there. Like,

(44:29):
I'm curious how deep the cover up goes. If there
actually was government interests in something in the.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Area, well, and something that happened this long ago, Yeah,
it's probably gonna be very hard to find any sort
of information that corroborates that. So that's probably one of
those things that even if there was something going on,
that's probably been lost to time at this point.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
True.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
True, And before we hop back in, I got to
take a second on every single show to say, what's
up to blood Chucker? Akaa man's that who popped? Just
who just popped into the chat with his usual uh
Shane Daddy and the Big Bad Squatch. I don't know
what that one is, but I guess I'll bring it
up on screen just for the sake of it, because
that kind of just broke my brain for a minute.
I was gonna read that quick, and it just fucked

(45:11):
my brain up.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It's like the remix and the Big Bad Squatch.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
That sounds like a radio morning show.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
He did it better than we did.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Hey, that doesn't take much. Yeah, you're not wrong, very
low bar to clear. That's like being the hottest waitress
at Denny's.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
That's one of the best analogies I've heard in a
long time. I like that.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Sit tight, guys, we gotta pay some bills and now
back to the show.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
All right, popping back in. When he awoke from this
uh this final time, he was alone. There was no
sign of the ship having returned, but all of the creatures,
including the robots, were gone. He was barely hanging from
the tree by his belt. He could also see that
by now dawn was quickly heading his way. By the
time daylight hit, he dropped himself from the tree. Days
and tired but largely unhurt, he would set out for

(46:14):
the pre arranged meeting place of the camp site from
the previous afternoon. Once there, he would discover both of
his friends waiting for him as planned. One of his
two fellow hunters, Vincent Alvarez, at least in part, could
collaborate the incident. From his position, he witnessed the strange
glowing craft moving over the trees. It would then take

(46:36):
off with a great pace into the sky. This would
likely have been while Schroum was battling with the strange creatures,
so there may not have been like a full second witness,
but at least towards the end when the ship took off,
at least one of the other hunters did see that
aspect of it. So, whether it's alien or it's human
like we're kind of referring to, like, at least there's

(46:56):
a second collaborating person that at least saw as something. Yeah,
I got any thoughts on that for you hop back in.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
No, I'm gonna save mine on that for conclusions, Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Incidentally, all three of the men would return to the
destination later that day after hearing of Shrim's story. They
did not. They did find several of the arrows he
had fired, as well as several pieces of charred clothing.
Whoever the coins had been thrown that had been thrown
them had seemingly been scooped up by these menacing visitors
before they left. Like I mentioned, they took all of

(47:29):
the coins, which, again going into the whole mineral thing
kind of weird. His two friends would believe his claims,
though in due part to Alvarez's own sighting of the
glowing craft leaving the scene. After hearing of the encounter,
Shrim's mother in law told an astronomer friend from the
local college. The astronomer friend would immediately contact the nearby
Mixellian Air Force Base. He would inform them of the

(47:50):
account and the location of the witness. Even more bizarre,
instead of visiting him at home to listen to his
version of the events even though he had not made
a report, they would arrange to meet in an empty
house at an off base housing development. So I'm sure
you probably have some comments on that.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, this just seems like, you know, typical men in
black type shit, you know, just behaving erradically and trying
to keep people in the dark and just kind of
trying to not let anybody know whether you know, this
is a real men in black encounter or its government
agents or whatever. But yeah, I'm gonna save some of

(48:32):
my thoughts for conclusions.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
So I just like the off base housing development in
an empty house, like that's just such.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
A weird specific.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, Schrome would agree to the meeting the two officers.
President would listen to his account and then confiscate several
of the arrows. Later claims suggest that these had shavings
of the robot on them. Then, though, they would insist
that what he had just described to them hadn't happened
or not in the way he remembered. For there, they

(49:00):
would present several alternative scenarios, as if giving him the
opportunity to pick one for himself. He would eventually agree
that he wasn't certain of what he had seen, if
for no other reason other than to keep his employers
from facing similar questions. Shrom had struck to the same
story and version of events for over half a century,

(49:22):
and surely a hoaxer would have made sure at least
one of the other hunters witnessed the event in full
for authenticity. If nothing else, perhaps the fact that they
didn't is proof enough for such authenticity. And do you
have any comments on that? Before we hop into similar
accounts and theories, I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Gonna let you roll with theories and similar accounts, and
then I might pop in from time to time in
this section. I don't want to kind of derail your
process here, so carry on.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Okay, So just before we hop into that over here
on screen, this is supposedly a picture of the final encounter.
As you can see, you got shroom here hiding up
in the tree. You got several of these things, well
to the humanoids trying to climb up robots standing over
here by the rock, another robot, and then the other
two humanoids checking out some type of vegetation and not
his main description, but at least in this picture. And

(50:12):
I'm not saying this is any important detail. I'm just saying,
just for sake of it, don't tell me these don't
look like the nightcrawlers crawler, Yeah, Like tell me that
doesn't look like a nightcrawler got arms.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
But other than that, it's basically spot on.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, it's a little more cartoony of a drawing. So
I know this isn't like the perfect rendition, but just then.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
A lot of these drawings are really cartoony.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, and I believe that's the last picture I have
for this, Okay, So I can close that out and
bring up the mainscreen here and going into similar accounts
in theories. There are certainly other accounts on record that
speak of robotic creatures accompanying flesh and blood aliens or
aliens using some sort of robotic suits. Ones we recently already.
Ones we recently cover already include the Pascagoula abduction and

(50:56):
the flat Woods monster sightings as we were kind of
talking about. But I also forgot to include the Hopskinville goblins,
which I would have done, and I'm glad that we
kind of fit that in throughout the notes. More recently,
the Pervian face Pilers, which was covered and investigated thoroughly
by Tim Alberino, who is a frequent guest on Blurry
Creatures podcast and runs a lot of his own channels
and does a lot of fascinating work if you're not
familiar with Tim Alberino. But before I get into the

(51:18):
previing face peelers, do you have any comments on this?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, I think this is probably a good spot for
me to kind of jump in and share what I
think my prevailing theory about all this is. So when
I was reading through the notes, I was kind of
on board with all this, you know, like you said,
we kind of connected it a little bit to Pasca Gooula,

(51:42):
which I think would kind of be fun to go
back and re examine at this point with a lot
more of the experience and research and I guess perspective
that we've got at this point. But anyway, you know,
I went pretty deep in flat Woods when I did
that episode, and I found a lot of things in

(52:03):
not just the main encounter, but kind of antillary encounters
that led me to believe that something legitimately strange happened there.
I really don't believe that was some sort of human
government intervention type situation. And I was, like I said,
really on board with this whole Donald Trum account. When

(52:26):
I read through the notes. What really changed my mind
again was that depiction of the robot, And after seeing that,
I'm kind of on board with your human intervention theory
for this in particular, because it just seems to me
like at this point one of two things are possible.
The dude made this whole thing up, which I don't

(52:49):
really think. I think something legitimately weird happened to him,
and like you said, his friend corroborated seeing the UFO
or the light.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Or his name attached to the story for years. He
didn't even really want to tell this story. He wasn't
out in the open trying to make sure everybody knew
his story. Which, again, if you're gonna hoax it, why
would you try to keep it a secret. That's weird.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yes, and a lot of this stuff, you know, for
whatever nefarious government agenda they had. This all seems like
stuff that the government could have theoretically done in nineteen
sixty four, And it seems like this is kind of
the direction you would go at that point in time
if you were trying to make you know, I'm going

(53:30):
to talk about back to the future again. It's sort
of like Marty McFly wearing like the suit when he
went back to the fifties and like scaring the dudes
with the Dolorean and you know, making him think that
he was Darth Vader from the planet Uranus or what like.
This is basically that, like, it seems like the government
could have kind of pulled the wool over somebody's eyes

(53:51):
with this kind of stuff in nineteen sixty four. So
after going through the photo, well they weren't photos. The
artistic rendering say, I'm all for the human intervention angle
on this particular encounter.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
See and this is why I want to cover this
one so bad, is because I've been on this continuous
thing of trying to kind of like solidify my theory
and I'm trying to find like prime perfect examples, and
I feel like Pascagoula is another really really good one
because of the mask line and just the robotic component
to it, because it seems like I'm trying to collect
like a I don't want to say like a checklist,
because I don't want to be stuck to a box,
but like a motif for these humanoid these human encounters

(54:29):
human ufone wherever you want to call them, where it
seems like the typical motif for a lot of them
is that there's two different variations of beings that are there.
It seems like one of them is more of this
alien feel and one of them is more of a
robotic feel, And that seems to be this continuous thing
that you see through almost everything, because even Pascagoula, the
two robotic things that kidnapped the guys, and then they
had the alien looking girl that looked like she had

(54:49):
the mask line on the actual ship. So you know,
I don't know how many people are diving into this
that heavy, but you know, maybe we could start kind
of making like a you know, like a like somewhat
of a checklist to say, like there's a good possibility
that this might actually have been government interference. And you know,
if we start having you know, black suburban sitting outside
our houses where we really know we're on something, well.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
You know, like I've said on the show repeatedly, I
think obviously aliens exist. I think there's something you know,
out there quote unquote, but I do think their visitations
and interventions are relatively few and far between. Obviously, I think,
you know, back in ancient times things like that happen.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
But I think.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
A lot of the stuff we chalk up as like
alien encounters, especially you know, since like fifties sixties, could
be chalked up to government intervention and government experimentation, whether
that be you know, government aircraft that people see in
the sky or this kind of stuff. So yeah, I mean,

(55:55):
I think, like you said, as we get deeper into
all this research and talking to people and diving into
these topics, like I said, checklists might not be the
best word, because, like you said, you don't want to
kind of paint yourself into a corner. But yeah, just
looking for these reoccurring motifs, I think is what's important.

(56:15):
Like we always say, look for the connections between stuff.
The answers as best as will ever find them, lie
in the connections.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
And you want to talk about weird, We're gonna get
into this other one. I got some additional details to
add in which also will continue on with what we're
talking about. Getting the Previan face pillars. This one comes directly.
This is kind of like a paragraph because I couldn't
find a really good explanation for this because it's usually.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Face peelers is one of the rocks upon which this
church is built. Like Peruvian face peelers is like your
big thing, like feral people in the smoking mountains is mine,
Like those are the rocks this church is built upon.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
See, And that's I want to do a really good
just episode on the Peruvian face pillers. But there's this
hard thing where the actual encounters that happen to be
a hard thing in twenty twenty three, we're like they're
only really covered by like Tim Alberino, and then everything
else is like from like Spanish news reports, Like it's
really really hard to just like collaborate the details, considering

(57:08):
that I don't speak like Peruvian Spanish, Like the only
person I can really get the information from is Tim Alberino.
But when you look up Pervian face peelers, you get
all of the like folklore of the Pruvians, like what
they believe the face pillers was. That goes back into
like their ancient folklore. But I don't think that's necessarily it.
I think it's finding a niche. But hold that thought.

(57:29):
We'll be right back after this brief commercial break and
we are back to the show. Let's hop right in.
Let me just hop right into this just because, like
I said, I took a couple of direct quotes from him,
just because it's the best explanation I could find for

(57:50):
the twenty twenty three events. But yeah, this comes directly
from Tim on a podcast what are the Previan face Peelers?
Back in twenty twenty three, there's a series of videos
that went viral, and these videos captured were captured in
the Peruvian Amazon, chaotic scenes in which the villagers are
running around screaming saying there were being assaulted by aliens,
and they were using the terms pilakara, which is face peeler.

(58:12):
I had to go down there to investigate a particular incident,
which was the attempt to abduct the abduction of a
fifteen year old girl. And she told me one evening,
she was in her backyard and she bent over to
pick up some fruit. She felt a wind at her back,
and she looked up to see what was generating the wind,
and she saw this person dressed in a black body armor,

(58:33):
flying in black body armor, flying on a disc, and
then he landed next to her and he grabbed her
from behind. He put his hand over her mouth. Another
one lands in front of her and he grabs her legs.
They took out a long tube and had this cream
in it, and the guy that was holding her mouth
from behind, he stated, he started to smear the cream

(58:54):
all over her face, and as she was doing it,
the guy in front of it said, be careful, be careful,
don't don't put too much on because you're going to
ruin the flesh. And supposedly that was in like Peruvian Spanish.
By the way. After they applied this stuff to her face,
they took out a laser scalpel and began to make
an incision under her draw line, and she starts to struggle,

(59:15):
and as they're beginning to cut, she starts to freak out.
And as she gets her hands underneath the helmet of
the guy, the guy behind her, and she starts to
lift up on the helmet, he gets agitated. He freaks
out a bit, and they drop her. She lets out
a blood curdling scream. Her brother and a group of
other villagers come out running instantly, and Talia, before she
passes out, said she said that the assault assailant said,

(59:39):
let's go, let's go, we can We got to get
out of here and then out and then one of
them said, no, we can't just leave her here. There
was well, sorry, that was it. That was the full quote,
but just to throw it in here, of course. So one,
of course already have this robotic component, Like I was
kind of mentioning, you have two They were speaking, you know,
earth languages, like he said that they were speaking her

(01:00:01):
they were speaking Peruvian Spanish, and she mentioned from one
of the reports that I was hearing from him that
one of them sounded like he was fluent in Peruvian
Spanish and the other guy sounded like he was an
English speaker trying to speak Peruvian Spanish. So just another
weird thing with the dialects here. And to throw in
another weird detail with the whole Peruvian face peelers thing
when all of the main reports were coming out and

(01:00:22):
the viral videos, which the viral videos were like a
video of a body that they found on the side
of a river where the whole entire like face, skin,
everything that was off the head was like completely down
to the bone, like you could see the bone like
perfectly like white, looked like it was like picked clean,
and it was just on the head that was it.
That was one of the videos that went viral. So
they supposedly supposedly sent in the military to check out

(01:00:45):
the area to see if anything was going on. They
came back to the news reports and said, nothing's going on,
everything's fine, blah blah blah blah blah. And when Tim
Albarino went down there, he was talking to the villagers
directly because for anybody that knows kind of his background,
he spent years in Peru and he's you know, been
researching there forever, Like he's really good at the language.
He's really good with the locals. He did this whole

(01:01:05):
mission that he put together with his church to go
out there and try to help these people out, to
investigate and everything like that. And when he got there,
he said that it was such a difficult place to
get to, where you had to fly into a certain area,
fly into another area, get on a boat, take that
to a certain spot, get off, go across the land, mask,
get onto another boat, take that down to a spot,
and it was like a couple days to get into it,

(01:01:26):
so very very difficult. He said that the military never
showed up. They were never even there in the first place,
and they basically just came back and reported saying, oh yeah,
everything's fine, even though they were never there. So another
weird thing. Everything's good, everything's fine. And then you have
an English speaker and a Peruvian speaker, so another government
connection definitely possible.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I'm gonna go real fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You ready, Yes, I'm ready for this, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
So obviously this is a human thing that's going on.
These aren't aliens. This is humans in a suit with
some sort of fucking hover board, wearing masks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Taking advantage of the folklore of the area clearly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
And one particular phrase that you put in these notes
is what made this click for me. Can you guess
what that phrase is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Which part I'm curious?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Well, I'll just tell you the abduction of a fifteen
year old girl that should be red flags right fucking there,
So not to get like two conspiratorial political anything like that. Man,
this kind of sounds to me like some sort of
like fucking trafficking, frazzled drip elites hunting people type situation

(01:02:36):
that was going on here. And I never put all
those pieces together till I saw in writing that phrasing
abduction of a fifteen year old girl.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I know, the first body that they found was like
a forty year old man, and supposedly there was a
few other people that could have just been hunting him.
You know, That's what I was gonna say. The difference
is the fifteen year old girl got away, So what
was the interest? What was the difference? Like they're trying
to be like more gentle with hers it because they
again getting into the frazzle drift thing with like wearing
the face inducing fear all that type of shit. It
just seems like they were a bit different with the

(01:03:07):
fifteen year old girl, because if a fifteen year old
girl was able to struggle and get away from lifting
the helmet and get away, like, how the hell was
you know, grown ass men able to get away? Like
kind of weird, right, it seems like they probably use
a different process for this girl than they had for
everybody else. And after this fifteen year old girl, there
really wasn't much hurt from them after that because they
clearly fucked up and they had to draw back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Well, if we're gonna go down these conspiratorial rabbit holes
which were already there, so let's fucking go. I mean, yeah,
like you said, maybe they were much more gentle, for
lack of a better term, with this girl, because I mean,
if we're going to entertain these type of conversations and

(01:03:46):
I don't cancel us, I'm throwing out hypotheticals for these people,
this forty year old man wouldn't be worth quote unquote
anything like a fifteen year old girl for these people
is always worth so and everybody knows where I'm going
with that, So I mean, I think in light of
all of that, this makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
And trying to think about the whole like face peeling aspect,
Like this is gonna sound super fucking weird, but okay,
so you have the English the guy that sounded like
he was an English speaker that was speaking Peruvian Spanish.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
So wouldn't that make perfect sense like there was some
English guy like down here hunting with their local hunting guy,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
See, So that's where my the kind of connection comes in,
Like maybe there is connection to like US government, considering
this is only South America, and what could the possible
interest be of the government's collecting faces. I mean, you know,
it could have something else beyond just that. They could
also be collecting faces for the sake of, you know,
maybe trying to create like uh like you know, they

(01:04:48):
say that you can't create a face, like you know,
every face that you see is a face that you've
seen somewhere before. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
if you're trying to create like a face that you
could use to just go and do operations that nobody
would have connection to nothing to you go when you
pick somebody from a village in the middle of you know,
the Amazon, where nobody has probably seen their face outside
of the village and you have like a fresh face

(01:05:10):
that you can use for like secret operations, you know
what I mean. Like, could it be possible that they
were collecting like the faces for the sake of, you know,
creating more of those like flesh masks, And like I said, impossible. Shit,
you need like a face that doesn't have a connection anywhere,
like because if you have a face that you take
from somebody, you know, from a city something like that,
it's all over security cameras, it's already tracked, it's already known.

(01:05:31):
If you're gonna look for like new faces that won't
be recognized anywhere that you can use for secret operations,
place to go would be the middle of the fucking
Amazon in Peru.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I promise
this is a last tangent. I'm gonna take us down.
But you know, I'm a big sports fan. Have you
heard about the LA Clippers new basketball arena?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I'm not a big basketball guy, you know me. I'm
the hockey guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
So the owner of the La Clippers is one of
the guys who you know, started Microsoft with who's the
Microsoft got Bill Gates? Yeah, Bill Gates, Steve Baumer is
this guy's name. But anyway, so you know, he said
he's going to build this, you know, most advanced sporting
arena ever created. And it's completely transactionless, not cashless, transaction list.

(01:06:23):
Like when you go in, you like scan your face
and it like links to this fucking app. And like
you just go up to the counter and you take
you know, a sodo or a hot dog or whatever.
You go to the merch store, you take a jersey
off the rack. It scans you when you leave, and
you know, you tie your bank account to this app,
and like there's no transactions at all. So kind of

(01:06:45):
piggybacking off of that. If again getting super duper conspiratorial here,
But if the direction we're all going is this fucking
nineteen eighty four ass world we're all going to be
living in, there's a lot of value in having a
face that can't beston doesn't exist, isn't there?

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
That's what I'm saying, Man, weird another tide, another government
connection with this stuff, for another reason why the government
slash governments might want to abduct people secretly and put
it on the facade of extraterrestrials or aliens. But getting
into the last couple of paragraphs, theories all that kind
of stuff. There are also numerous accounts of witnesses being
knocked out knocked unconscious by strange vapors. Perhaps one particular

(01:07:22):
case that contains both of the elements of robotics leaping
ability and vapor the Blue Flames, would be the strange
accounts of spring Hill Jack from the Victorian from Victorian England.
Those roots stretch into legend and folklore, but which also
which has also been interests of UFO and research or
UFO researchers, and again not saying that the government goes
back this far or anything like that, but you know,

(01:07:44):
hiding under the facada folklore, you know, like you take
advantage of the area, like proving face feelers, you know,
National Forest already kind of building up a motif for
having weird and high strangers as things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
But in another motif. We talked a lot in the
spring Hill Jack episode about how this very likely was
probably some sort of elite or royalty or at the
very least like police officers, and they were largely playing
praying excuse me on you know, disenfranchised people. One of

(01:08:18):
the victims was like a fifteen year old prostitute or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Fifteen year old girl. Actually I think it was thirteen
thirteen year old prostitute.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, so point stands. But yeah, so that's not even
a connection that I thought about till we got going
through this. But you know that kind of speaks for itself.
Here's you know, tale as old as time, people terrorizing
or elites, let's say, terrorizing disenfranchised people with whatever means

(01:08:47):
they have in that day and age.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
See, that's why I was trying to show two sides
of this because we obviously related that to human components.
We related like flat Woods and Pascagoula. So maybe, you know,
Flatwood's probably more extraterrestrial, Pascalol maybe alien in the middle.
But that's why I want to bring it in here
because it shows not just beyond the alien perspective of things,
but there is a history again, like you mentioned, of
elites just messing with people with the available equipment that

(01:09:10):
they have at the time, just for the sake of
doing it. But getting into the very last paragraph, the
top theories online seem to be that it was a
true alien encounter, some sort of military secret military technology
that he was hallucinating or potentially psychological effects from experiments
like mk Ultra slash continued human experiments, which as we've
been talking about throughout the episode, and we also have

(01:09:30):
a previous episode on if anybody wants to go and
check that out. And before you throw in any additional comments,
I just wanted to throw in right here. I did
find the original interview from Donald Trum back in nineteen
sixty four. It's an audio recording. Actually I don't know
if it's nineteen sixty four, but it's around that time
sixty seventies, but it's an audio recording. It's about ten
minutes long. I didn't put it into the episode because

(01:09:51):
I didn't know if you guys want to sit and
listen to that. But if anybody is interested in hearing
the words straight from the horse's mouth, I'm going to
throw it at the very end of the episode, after
our end theme song. So stick around for that if
you guys are interested in that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
But all right, guys, we got to take another break.
We'll be right back and now we're getting back to
the bazaarre.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
You go ahead, throw in your thoughts and theory before
you wrap everything up.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, I'm not gonna add a whole lot here. I
think I've kind of already gone through my prevailing theory
about this. Like I said, I was kind of all
on board with Donald when I just read through the
notes again, seeing the depiction of the robots what really
made me reevaluate my thinking on this. And now I'm
full on the this was some sort of government intervention experimentation,

(01:10:43):
and I think it was a lot of fun to
kind of tie not only this encounter, but these newer
ones were like the Pruvy and Face Peelers and even
spring Hill Jack into like kind of more modern day conspiracies,
if you will. And I'm gonna even at that, but yeah,
great job on this one. I think this is one

(01:11:03):
of your best episodes you've ever put together, if I
may say so myself. And I've had a lot of
fun talking about this one, so h yeah, thank you
a lot for putting all this together. Do you have
any kind of take home thoughts for everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Well, I'm glad that this was unintentionally one of those
episodes that I can kind of solidify my human intervention theory.
And you know, originally you kind of felt, you, you know,
we were with me originally when I shared that first
episode with you, But I'm glad that this one was
one of those ones that you kind of had one
of those back and forth with So it was kind
of like, you know when you covered the Spaceman photo
that in the beginning of it you were all on board.
At the middle you're like, I don't believe any of

(01:11:37):
this shit, and then you get to the end and
you're like, yep, it was human. So I'm glad that
I was able to give you that emotional ride like
you're able to give me an eye one once.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
So all right, So on that note, if anyone would
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Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
With that, just like this episode, it got more bizarre
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Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Worst in peace brother for little fuck what is that
fucking thing?

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Lakes Grove and I say the group.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Ran out too far before dark. The area was pretty
real rough rain. I got to a point where I
couldn't see, so I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Just climbed the highest mountain I could climbed right around
that area, and uh a little fire.

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
Just to see how to get some type of response
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
This is yeah, yeah, every rock And I wait.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Until what I went out and I didn't had any response.
I found up in a tree in your back, and
I guess I was a half hour so and uh
as fight this uh light which I thought was a
helicopter bolding up and down all these service and I

(01:14:47):
grew up about this guideline and down below the timber line.
So I jumped out of the tree and started. I
built three small fires on this was wrack and try
to attract attention.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Uh So as I did that, this a lot of
time that came towards me, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Stood about that time it was a helicopter and uh
there's a ranger station thereby. I thought they contracted this
and they were looking looking for me and uh, but
then when it came right up to me, there's no sound,
just hard way there, just alive to all out it
too high, you know, all I'd say about so I

(01:15:35):
was hard to say. I got.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I was, yeah, about three fifty guys and they're not
that it's fairly well. It was just a bad life,
I was. Uh, it was it was a life. It
showed the flight for the spot. It was just about
their blow or something.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
It just.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
You know this, then a half circle around me and uh,
and then a guy I always came and then I
saw it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
There's three other objects the flat hole. I can't describe
the side of the rock. Remind me of heights, cause
there's three of them spaced.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Uh. April paused behind this light and uh.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
For three between two.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Well, I couldn't see him connection.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
It was just all I could see the movie, like
the number of topics and uh while I was watching it, Uh,
there's something dropped out about number first stopt behind the
light here and it uh were down below the god
in this canyon. I couldn't see it anymore. So Uh,

(01:16:44):
I still watched the I was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Still watching the light. It was just still just covering.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
And the next thing I was, uh, I was just
a few minutes later was U crash and fen brush
I feel from me and uh it was uh you know,
I saw the pop of it, just sort of blinking
light and it looked someone of a dome or something.
I couldn't see the whole lockey just reflecting off of that.

(01:17:13):
And then I saw one of the uh face man
come from the view and start this man with me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I don't know if he was curious what it was
that he was messing around it some way to shoot.
He was lying it was just a light outfit. I
don't know. Uh. I think it was quite a white colored,
looked like a stud of some type. And there was
no it didn't look like there was any hell. Just

(01:17:43):
it just colored the whole quodies of everything. How about
as les, Yeah, everything covered.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
It was just like a famine form for the exception.
They didn't have a neck. It just a head. It
looks like it was just a head on the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
And when it was joined with this other fame form
and they came right under the tree overin twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Foot utterly you just looked up at me and they
I was all dressed in camouflage clothing, so I thought
maybe I could stay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
I stayed still, and I wadn't see here, and then
there's I saw these two big eyes coming through the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Down this working its way down this hill, and they
just all the size of a silver doll.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
And they looked like they had flame, actual flame inside,
but they had to do these other two individuals.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Now it came up separate and it stood kind of
up hill, coming of about twelve thirteen feet something like that, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I I was that kind of like smoke was coming
out of its mouth. And the next instan I started, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Uh kind of gasping for breath, and I kind of
temporary lost conscience. I fell over. I go there on
on the limb. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
And at that time I thought, maybe you're just I
was too close to radio activity or something like that
that sort, and uh, you know, I thought maybe they
were allowed to give me the so uh shot my
goals and it just one of the three times this
one that was made out of metal, and uh it

(01:19:37):
uh anytime I waited, it was just like a hard
last year for a two less of wise and it's
not good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
It was really good. No, they just they shoved back
a little bit. But that's uh all did. And uh,
if you hired the other two, No, I didn't have things.
The only one was doing any damages. How I follered
until you want to commission.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
And uh oh there I had several goings some matches
with me. So I lit one and threw it down
just to see if maybe they were a play of fire.
And uh, they stepped back a little bit. So I started,
I lit my hat on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
And through it out. When I did got this uh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Uh I saw through oyo was slight. Uh made that
cooling noise, and then it just shot way up in
the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
It stayed way up real high then and these others
always guys moved back. They moved back from way from
the fire. So I saw that the little play of fire.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
So I just started carrying my camouflage cooling off. I
had my radd clothes underneath.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
I started lighting in and try to finish what little
brush she was around there on fire. And as long
as the fire was burning, they stayed back. And then
I ran out of matches before.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Long, and so I just I find as high as
I put the tree up to the top, and so
my bell was wrapped around me in the tree, just
to I could have to pass out about that again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
And they saw the flowers out down. They came back
in underneath the tree, and this this one called my
robot one. Yes there when I smoke was now i'd
started kind of gas for ball. It was just like

(01:21:35):
a nagen or something would take the place of air.
That's for no smell or no loader. It just I
just couldn't move it just thought I wasn't getting any air.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
And uh then I'd pass out for just an instant,
and soon as I'd wake up, I get the drives
and everything, and I found out the showing the truth
that as long as the true would move, wouldn't you
know step back away from it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
So uh, ipreatly did it, didn't you know? Done this
all night that they try to boost each other up
the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Trunks, And as soon as I wanted the tree and
they stepped back. And then see how they smokey coming.
I got out the putting, and as soon as.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
I wake up, I could see him they'd just be
starting up the trees. I knew it was not too
long you by every attempted climate tree just be the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
And he was galled, but I underneath the tree that
he never attempted the climate or anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
And uh, this went on all night, and how several
times I saw, uh, they light go over the rocks.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
And stuff out of here, crashing through the brush around
the area, and uh, I'll close to the morning was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
This The sky was just starting to turn a little pink,
and uh uh this other robot came up and then
there's two of them running into the tree and they
were standing facing each other and see them down to
the panches and and it just seemed like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
You know, bot flashes or electrical flashes going back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
They're just real bright flashes in between them and in
it slowly stuff really pulled up through the tree and
I blacked out.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Then and the next thing I woke up, it was
could have been more and a half hour later, because
it was still kind of dark and they.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Was just getting light. And uh, I was hanging on
my belt a leather top of the tree, and I
rat down while I looked around. There was nothing there.
And I went down and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
I looked around the barn the tree, and then I
could finally was uh healthy saverne cloth.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
And then I found my canteen and uh this one
ear I shot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
It was laying on top of the brush over to
the island which went migration.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
I shot, and as Holloway lay

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