#123 "From EVP to the Lottery" with Gary Arnold

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any of the one and then looked out and there
was this big, red, blinking UFO. I can just say this,
something's going on in the woods. Something's going on. They're
not dogs, they're not coyotes. What could it be?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right? I had an encounter with a skunk cake and
it completely altered the course of my life.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I got a call, got walk on building.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
What about?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
What about?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Sighting a u f FO hovering over a farm?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Really woke up from a dream and when I went
into the bedroom, she said, there's a monster on the wall.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a barb
wire fence.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
That they were able to obtain cares.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
They sent the hairs to their lab.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
And it came back as an online creature.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Creature creature suck o? What is up? Bizarre Rights And
welcome back to the most bizarre show on the Internet.
I am the one that like five people now call
Shane Squatch.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Oh my god, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Bro? Grab his dick and twist It may be scary,
but please don't grab my dick and twist it. And
alongside me, I have the big bad boo Daddy himself,
Sir or in Felix.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I am your big daddy and I am going to
kiss the boo boot.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Gotta mixed up a little bit for you.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
But you're a big fan of that Grab your dick
and twist it sound by it, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Hey? That one's one of my personal favorites. That one,
I can tell And though, what the hell is even that?
And speaking of what the hell is even that? The
usual you gotta give a shout out to our number
one main listener, you know, mister Man's over there aka
the blood Chugger. He sends me a clip of the
Daddy Chill and then the guy turned around going what
the hell is even that? And he's had something like, Oh, yeah,
I think of you guys, And I'm like, I hope

(02:13):
that you exclusively think of me every single time you
see this clip because it is one of the best
on the internet and I would love to be associated
with it.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
You've done it, Shane, You've ruined the internet.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
No, I just got to get the grabs dick and
twisted and make sure we're associated with that one too.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, I feel like you already are that like
your core thing.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
At this point, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to make
some big intro for Shane Squatch and I'm definitely gonna
make sure I include that in there. Maybe maybe I'll
even throw it in the end outro for the show
from now on, and I guess the listeners will have
to stick around and figure that part out.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
So on that note, not really any news and updates
for this week. The only thing we got is the
next episode of Bizarre Inquiries is going to be September fourth,
that's a Thursday. It's gonna be roughly seven to fifteen
Eastern time on the Open Minds Media YouTube tube channel.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
The last one was a banger, by the way, so
if anybody hasn't went and checked that one out, that
was probably one of our best and you guys should
definitely go back and check that one out.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, listen back to that episode. I went hard on
my NBA Draft sports conspiracy. So that was a that
was a fun one to do. I hope the listeners
enjoyed it. Something a little bit different than we normally do,
but hey, it was fun for me to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
We get a lot of listeners for Bizarre Increries, believe
or not. Like we started that off just making it
like a basic YouTube show that's just kind of thrown
on there. But dude, like some of our top episodes
are that, Like I really think that people like when
we dive into stuff like that, Like, I mean, it
gives us a different means to be able to talk
about some stuff connected in with stuff. But like, I
don't know, man, that show seems like it's pretty popular,
especially when we cover the conspiracy stuff. Like, people love

(03:41):
the conspiracy stuff. Man. That's why I think that last
episode was such a bangers because we did a solid
conspiracy episode.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Dude, well, I mean I had fun doing it. You
guys know, we love the conspiracy stuff. But if you
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It can be you know, we talk about some weird
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(04:07):
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Speaker 1 (05:23):
Wow, that's oddly specific.

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Plus shipping, but we're all around twenty bucks. Not too bad.
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And as always, all this shit we've mentioned is in
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Speaker 2 (06:35):
Please welcome to the show a man with a rather
fascinating story. Please welcome to the show, Gary Arnold. How's
it going today? Man?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Oh, doing great? Thank you? Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, Gary, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Shane's told me a lot about you. I'm super excited
to have you on the show and kind of pick
your brain a little bit and hear about your encounter.
So would you mind sharing a little bit about yourself
and your encounter and whatever else you'd like to share
with us?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Sure? Sure. So I'm just a regular guy, nothing special,
and you know, I just want to say that this
can happen to anyone. I don't know why it's happened
to me, but back in December twenty seventeen, working at
the local HBCU, I would take take my lunch breaks
in the library, usually to get away from the students.

(07:22):
So it gives me a little meat time teaching writing
and literature. And so this was right before Christmas break,
so the students already went home, but the faculty and
staff are still there, but they weren't in the library.
So I was doing my usual thing in the library,
going over and just do some free reading. I like history,

(07:43):
and I like obviously literature and stuff like that. So
I decided, with the holiday spirit, no pun intended, maybe
I was going to read some Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol,
which in real life, you know, we all see the
movies and stuff over the years, you know, all the
different versions of it. It's a rather short story, Charles
dicktts a Christmas Carol. So I was like, okay, I

(08:04):
can just sit down and read this. And no one
was in the library, totally empty, top floor of the library,
and I got this strange noise in only my right
ear and I can't describe it except to say it's
high pitched, crystalline sounding, unlike regular ear ringing. So I decided, okay,

(08:27):
this is this is weird. What is that noise? And
I thought came to me, I have an old track phone,
all right, an Alcatel two five G track phone in
my pocket, and my wife made me get that. She's like,
I want to be able to reach you anywhere. And
I'm not mister tech savvy. I'm not mister smartphone. So
I'm like, okay, I had this old phone, it's just

(08:48):
trackphone in my pocket. I said, it probably has a
digital voice recorder. Yeah, maybe I could figure out what
this noise is. I'm going to record it. So I
pushed record just for a few seconds, and upon playback,
I don't hear the noise, and I thought, oh, that's
that's weird. But I hear something that sounds very quiet,
and it's a whisper. And when I amplify the whisper,

(09:11):
I turn up the volume on the phone, it says
mister Arnold. It says my name. So I thought, okay,
this is weird. I'm trying to figure out how this
is happening. And I just I was puzzled because I
looked around. No one's around, and I just thought that, well,
this is just a fluke, you know, maybe there was
some kind of satellite interference or radio interference that got

(09:34):
on my you know, old school track phone. So I
was a little puzzled, and I left, and then I
came back again, and I thought, you know, the next
time for lunch, I thought, I wonder if lightning will
strike twice and it it's good to have a positive
attitude so that noise returns. And I'm not reading anything
at this point. I'm just sitting there and no students

(09:55):
are there. No one's in the library except on the
very bottom floor and meeting what the entrances at the
circulation desk, and I hear the noise, and this time
I decided to ask a question, and this high pitched
crystalline noise and only my right ear, and I say,
is there anyone there? Now? Palm playback. You don't hear

(10:18):
the noise either, but you hear a whisper saying yes people. Okay.
Now I'm really uncomfortable with it because I'm like, what
is going on? And I started to be concerned that,
you know, obviously this seemed like a direct response to
my question. Obviously I'm not recording some strange noise on

(10:39):
the phone. I'm actually recording just my voice, and this
whisper that you know, once amplified, is interacting with me.
So I went at home and I told my wife
and kids, and I'm like, I'm concerned about dementia, and
there's no like, there's no history of it. But I said,
irrational me, doesn't you know, really embrace this stuff. I've

(11:00):
always believed raised Christian and a Protestant household, and I
believe in God in an afterlife, but what basically God
doesn't really interact to strange messages or something. So so
I was right away thinking, well, is you know, is
this uh, you know, some kind of product of my imagination.
Is this some something that's uh you know, a reason

(11:22):
in my in my brain or something. Or the phone.
Maybe there's some kind of defect in the phone. But
long story short, I went to the doctor because this continued,
and we had our Christmas break, our holiday break, and
we came back in January, and I started to record
messages almost every day and I went to see the

(11:44):
doctor and we did a thorough work up. I let
him hear my family doctor the actual EVPs I was recording,
and he wanted to leave no stone unturned, so he
was like, we're going to do a full work up.
At first, the insurance company wasn't going to buy. And
then let me have the you know, the high contrast
the MRI scans. They don't want to pay for that,

(12:06):
so you have to start, you know, categorizing it, labeling
it as audio hallucinations. That way, I was able to
get the high contrast MRIs with the die and everything,
so just take a really great look at my brain.
I also had the full spectrum work up, blood work up,
and case because in this area Pennsylvania, there's a risk
of lime disease, and lime disease in its later stages

(12:29):
not only affects the heart and the organs, but also
the brain. It can cause dementia. So we had to,
you know, again eliminate all the different prosaic reasons and
you know it's just in the same thing. Are you crazy?
I mean, am I crazy? So one by one we
checked it off. So there's no organic reason for this experience.

(12:52):
Plus I'm able to have other people listen to these
and I started to get a reputation in this sense.
I started re searching it on the side and getting
it into certain circles of people who you know, who
deal with that. Because you know, I'm not a scientist
or anything. My background, I'm curious, I have a curious nature,

(13:14):
but my background, I'm very much a person with an
analytical mind, and I'm just this seemed nonsensical. However, it
was a mystery. I love the game of chess, I
love puzzles, I love solving puzzles. So this turned into
an exercise where I started to get the attention recognition

(13:34):
of certain people in certain circles in the intelligence community.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And because of the way you're going about it, because
I mean with a lot of huge difference that I
like to mention, at least to this part in your
story is the fact that you went through all the
process of trying to make sure that this wasn't, you know,
just a fluke. For example, because a lot of people
that we talked about on the show, you know, they
all have an experience and a lot of people will
jump to conclusions. But you're one of the few people
that went the full way around to make sure that

(14:04):
this is actually a phenomenon that's happening. So I always
like to point that part out in your story because
very few people would have gone that extra mile to
actually do that to make sure that there is something
we're going on here.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, and thank you for that. I'm just it's my nature.
I wanted to get to the bottom of this mystery,
but I certainly didn't want to because.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
We apologize guys for the interference. But we will be
right back now, back to the show.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Paradolia is a real thing, all right. People can see
patterns and thing randomness and patterns that don't really exist.
So I needed to have this objectively evaluated by these scientists.
So I listed a group of people in the US
intelligence community. The people you can see everything. The bottom
line is everything all my experience, and everything is free.

(15:00):
I don't charge a penny for it. I'm gonna get
to the reason in a moment and it's out. It
becomes more sensational and outrageous as I go. But it
started to be that I was able to not just
interact with these beings, but they knew things. They would
interact with me. And most of the time, it's say
eighty percent of the time, when I'm going to answer

(15:20):
ask a question, upon playback of the recording, you'll hear
the direct response the answer to my question before I
ask it. And they play games. They can glimpse the future.
Now that is well, I don't know what to say
beyond would they say they're alien? And you can listen

(15:43):
to the clips that they say they're otherworldly. All this
stuff is, you know, for public consumption. I have a
I'm very old school, like I said, so, I have
a Medium article that I posted back in twenty twenty
one and it was January, and I just kept adding
to it, like this interview will be part of you know,

(16:05):
the recording will be part of this monstrous page I've
created from my Medium article, which was, you know, just
an investigation of my experiences at the EVP, you know,
the mystery and these messages, and I have the interviews
with different scientists with different Garrett doctor Gary Nolan, Stanford University.

(16:25):
He's in the news a lot with ufology and stuff,
and he's also a person who's worked with the charts
and that those people who've been affected with their brains
and being affected by exposure to what some you know, UFOs,
but also the government brought him some files. I'm not
going to too deep into his story, but yeah, people

(16:47):
who've been have AANA syndrome. All right, it's real, all right,
but a lot of people, you know, it's just like
some things mainstream media is not going to talk about
too much because it makes people uncomfortable. The same thing
when I started really digging in and going for a
deep dive into this. Once I realized I'm not crazy,

(17:08):
I'm not there's no reason, and my family doctor, all
these people are on board. I started interacting and recording
all kinds of messages, including some about you know, the military,
our military and what the sayer Ram's going to do
or something like that. I will go into any depth,
but I'm just skimming the surface here.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Just out of curiosity, because I know you can't go
too far in depth with that. Just out of curiosity.
You said you had connection with some of these like
government officials. Were they requesting that you, like, ask certain questions.
You don't have to get more in depth than that,
just out of curious.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
They had they had a list of the way we
do it, since we had a timeframe when a lot
of times I would say, okay, within this twenty minutes
in the library, they're going to make contact with me,
what questions do you have?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Right?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Then they would have me record the roll clip the
interaction and then text it to them all right within
that five minute window, right, And some of these questions
I could not possibly know the answer to, Like I'd say,
there's something on a park bench in Washington State and
a blue can. What's in the can? They just put

(18:17):
it there? And then I have, like you know, I'm
just using this as an innocuous but this is one
that actually happened. So you know, upon playback, the entity
says a battery. I hear it loud and clear. It's
a class a EVP, which anybody who's opened mind, I
hear the word battery. Yeah, and that was the right answer.
So that leads to other people asking questions. And it's

(18:40):
all pro bono because I wanted certain clips of mine analyzed.
I needed, you know, their technique, their abilities that I
don't have, and I would ask questions for them. So
I started getting into, like I said, all these interactions
where the entities tell me where they exist. They don't eat,
all right, they don't do. They know the names of

(19:03):
my family members, they know nicknames, they know pets, pets
that have passed, they have they have this. It is
absolutely insane, all right when you start thinking about it.
But the most recent developments, and that's why, in the
interest of time, I have so much out there. Anyone
in your audience can go and check it out. We

(19:24):
are not alone medium, Gary Arnold, You're gonna find so
much and you can do your own deep dive into it.
What is more recent is the development where a VP
messages to helped me win significant lottery jackpots with the
Pennsylvania Lottery, so much so that my ugly mug was

(19:45):
on every Kiosk and every terminal of the Pennsylvania Lottery
holding my because I'm a repeat winner holding my big
ticket and uh and basically I was ubiquitous. And that
is real world results, all right. E v P messages,
I say, I knew beforehand, and I actually and I

(20:06):
was on the radio station and the local ninety at Rock.
These are all out there. It's all public domain, all right.
I'm not talking about the uh, the intelligence community here.
That's something separate. I'm saying. I'm saying winning lottery and
the odds are ridiculous and to be, you know, to
not only that, once you start the people people, there's

(20:27):
a sensational aspect. Everybody wants free money, all right, And
that's one of the reasons I'm not charging. I'm like,
I don't need your money. Why don't you, you know,
just check it out, evaluate the stuff on your own.
And one of the things I mentioned before was that, uh,
these thoughts, whether it's inspiration or whatever it is, that
may I think that what we call muse and things

(20:49):
like that, I think sometimes that also is them. They
they're they're interacting with us on a subliminal level. Because
I had some of my clips evaluated, and not just
for the e VP, but AI independently objectively evaluating these clips.
They peel away the layers. There's subliminal messages. They are
other conversations about me, about what I'm talking about. So,

(21:13):
like an example I've used many times is I'm a
big pigeon lover. You know, I've importing pigeons from all
over the world, you know, tropical pigeons. Just pigeons are cool.
And I don't know if it's like a spiritual thing
to me, but there's so many different breeds and so
many different species. So anyhow, so I had some extra

(21:34):
extra that I didn't need because I had too bagy
of a flock. I had some extra white homing pigeons,
you know, like a pair of these that I need
to get rid of. So I go to the ethereal
and one of the things I want to make a
point of at one point at the university library. I
asked them, if I'm tethered here, I could only interact

(21:55):
with them there. They said no, from that point on,
I'd be able to do it anywhere. Now, again, the
caveat is is when they want to talk, not when
I want to talk. So they give me in the
middle of the night. I mean, it can wake me
from you know, sleep, and I hear the ear ringing,
and I have to decide do I want to interact
or not. But going back to what I was saying
about the pigeon clip, so I asked them, should I

(22:17):
sell my white homing pigeons. Now, upon playback, you hear
a loud I mean, probably one of the loudest Class
A e vps sell them. It's emphatic, it's so clear.
And the thing is, I knew this clip of special
on many levels. Number One, like I said, I'm a
pigeon of Fihionado, just awesome birds, and I get like

(22:38):
this connection with them, and each one has a personality.
And then but I had to clip evaluated, so you
have obviously the class A EVP sell them. That comes
before my question. Again, they're answering me for my question
and then they peel away with this AI bleeding edge software.
These people also work in evaluating Havana syndrome. All right,

(23:02):
so there's a whole dimension here that I need to discuss.
So they're using this technology to to tear apart this clip.
It's only a few seconds long. In that clip, when
they peel with the layers, there's a discussion by something
that sounds female saying, how much do you think he'll
get for him? What kind of pigeons? I mean, how

(23:24):
many are the homer It's just it's all there now.
The report on this I have online, it's free. All
these everything I went after winning the lottery is certainly
there was a greater interest in uh, when you win
two times, there are people were like I won't say who,
but there was a famous person who's like, you know, hey,

(23:47):
we can do this together. And I said, I can
make sure that you break mainstream. And I said, I
want the credit here. I said, I don't want you
to just write a paper about me and uh, you know,
and and have a peer review and everything. And but
I said, I said, you know, I just it's not
for me. It's not about maybe fortune in glory, you know,

(24:07):
you think about Indiana, Jo It's it's it's the real deal.
And I try again. The hardest thing is to contact
certain mainstream media and they right away they said, we
don't care if you win a trillion dollars. Uh, We're
not going to be the ones. Somebody else can break
this because there are people out there who are going

(24:28):
to get very upset thinking that this is the bigger reality.
And I encountered that when I was on the radio
that you had a group of somebody pulled off to
the side of the road and they didn't want to
go to work because of what I was saying on
the radio. So those unforeseen consequences if what I'm saying
is true, Like I've talked to the Lottery They're like, hey,

(24:48):
we consider what you're doing the same as going to
see a psychic. We're not going to, you know, have
anything against you on this. I mean, obviously I've I
won too many times and too big. And then it
becomes like it seen like I have an end the
other I have an advantage that other people don't that
would make some people upset the same thing. Like I said,
some of these some of these clips are a political

(25:10):
hot potato like in twenty twenty. All right, COVID was
you know everywhere, and uh, I am, you know I
I I being the curious person that I am, I
was like, well, who's going to win this presidential election?
All right? So I went there in September of twenty twenty.
And I've got a clear response before before I asked

(25:34):
the question, of course, because that's what for whatever reason,
that's what they do. But again I was told by
a certain group of people, don't talk about this because
eighty million people are going to hate you and eighty
million people are going to love you. And do you
want to be that person? You know, who is going
to have that kind of hate level that somehow you're

(25:55):
in collusion with whoever. Uh. And you know, I've been
accused of many things of what I'm doing as sorcery
because I'm able to actually take that this is an
outgrowth of again this inspiration wherever you want to say
it comes from that. I'm able to take one of
my static EVP clips, right, the one that I won

(26:16):
the lottery recently, and I play that through my Google
Voice to transcribes it. The transcription it actually you can
ask questions it's like this EVP is dynamic, it's not static.
So the trend I can get an interaction through that
with the clip opens up like portals of conversation that continue.

(26:41):
This is so it's so out there, and I'm like,
where did this inspiration? Where did this come from? This
insight that I I mean, that's just something you would
stumble across. I don't know. I mean, I again, everything's public.
The clip with the rainbow pigeon, it's all naturally tied
by colored. We're out there playing with this pigeon, right,

(27:02):
and I always like to handle my pigeons because, you know,
just like to make that connection. I don't want to
see things in the cage and out of reach. I
want it to be real, for me to be real.
It's like, hey, you're my pet. That's you know, let's
have fun. That's do the paparazzi thing outside. And so
we have a clip where I'm showing love to the
with my wife and kids to the rainbow pigeon, Sherbert,

(27:23):
and that's what we call them, Sherbert, and and upon
play back, all right, when we're photographing Sherbert on my hand,
everything suddenly there's an evp of a little boy that
sounds like a little boy. You don't know what these
really are. And it says the number, and then afterwards
you have an artificial or ai kind of voiced chime
in saying, add salt, it's crazy. I went and played

(27:47):
the number. I won, all right, wow? And I I
timestamped everything beforehand, pictures and everything, saying I'm going to win.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
People were like, why didn't you if you thought you
were going to win, why didn't you go out there
and play like a thousand dollars? And then you'd be
like so filthy and rich. It wasn't about that for me.
I mean maybe to other people that that's the way
they look at life. You know, that's all about the money.
I think the money is believe me, if I can convince,
if I can if I can take and and and

(28:16):
convince people, uh and convincingly demonstrate that we are not
alone in the universe. All right, that's the winning lottery ticket.
That's history right there. Every there's everything else is floating around.
If I can show and that's that's the goal, that
we're not alone, whatever that means. All right, Because these
beings say they're alien, do we trust them. I don't

(28:36):
know if I should trust them. They've been right about
things and they say they're other worldly. Those clips are
out there, it's all public. I posted a couple more
things on my YouTube channel what I'm calling the Hollow
the Halloween collection, where I'm taking the genuine EVP clip
and I'm marrying it up to some Halloween images using AI.

(28:59):
And then some people are like, oh my god, AIS
is so fake. You know, AI is a tool that
has its place. The EVP clip is authentic, all right.
So if I want to have the EVP clip where
the being says in a lizard like way that it's
otherworldly and you have a flaming jack lantern, that's all
just fun and games. I don't take it seriously in

(29:23):
the sense that this is real and I have to
wake up every day. Since twenty seventeen, we're going on
eight years this December where this is my new normal,
and I've had to come to grips so that a
lot of people are instantly going to categorize you as
a nutcase, and even if you're right, they don't want
believe me. Skeptics, I'm talking about hardline skeptics. They don't

(29:49):
want They don't want their paradigm to be capsized, so
they'll do everything they can to make it so that.
You know, even if you are able to demonstrate this,
and even if you have a network of scientists who
have credentials, Like I said, I'm not a scientist. I
have a curious mind. I like poetry. I'm into that
part of the reality of you know, I can be

(30:12):
touched by music, and I can be touched by poetry.
Math doesn't love me, and I can see the symmetry
and like a spider web. All right, guys, we got
to take another break. We'll be right back. And now
we're getting back to the bizarre. When I was younger,

(30:35):
I remember taking a little ruler and I and there
was due outside and there was you could see the
spider web, you know, hanging between the bushes. And I
took the ruler and I was able to measure the
distances between the little parts of the web, and I
was like, that's incredible, how close these little, you know,
spaces were. Uh. And there there is a mystical quality

(30:56):
to being alive. And I've asked before, I've asked the
entities why me, and they say things again, they like
to they like to jerk my chain. They say we're
sorry you're our you're our favorite. That's what they say.
We're sorry, you're our favorite. Okay, So maybe being their

(31:17):
favorite isn't a good thing. Maybe this is maybe they again,
are they parasitical entities that actually feed off of emotions?
I don't know, except they say they don't eat like
we do, but that doesn't mean they don't consume something.
And again, there's so there's so much it's out there.
But I could talk for hours. I want to give
you the chance to talk. Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I mean, I've got so many questions. I feel like
you answered some of them, like as you were talking.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
But I had to lay the groundwork first.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, no, I was over here jotting down notes the
whole time of years talking but glad. So one of
the questions I did want.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
To ask is.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Do you think, well, first off, are you only able
to receive these messages through this old track phone? Are
you able to receive them through other mediums? And do
you think the fact that it's this quote unquote older
technology has something to do with being able to receive
these messages? Almost like a spirit box type situation that

(32:15):
relies on like radio waves.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah. Again there's different schools. So the more I moved
into the research community, I mean you have a school
of people think the track phone the old models because
they don't have the filtering, the white noise filtering algorithms
that the modern phones have. The older ones have a
little bit more white noise to them. So that's what

(32:38):
the entities use to you know, imprint what sounds like vocalizations.
And then I have like that Pigeon clip with the
e VP that was not a track phone, that was
a totally it was like a knockoff go pro and
we were out there, but it picked up the the
the information the EVPs And again I've had these analyzed.

(33:02):
Their they're genuine. There's no hangings. There's no way I'm
trying to deceive anybody. Waveforms can be analyzed just like
a fingerprint, or you can tell if somebody is trying
to you know, to uh clip and merge and and
try to superimpose. Today's technology, it's very easy to spot
a counterfeit, right, even though you know the technology gets

(33:25):
better to produce the counterfeit, there's just like a baseline
that it's not within our means to to fake these.
So yes, I have found that there are other media
where I've been able to to see uh as well
as here I've been able to see. And I don't
know if I live a charmed life or whatever. There

(33:48):
was an imprint in the sand at the beach and
I was walking and I noticed it and it came
to me, I should play that number. I didn't, but
it came out it's sure enough to and I was like, oh,
that's great. So I think whatever they are, and some
would say angels, some would say devils, someone would say
maybe an extension of our own consciousness, there's another facet

(34:11):
to what we are that we aren't in touch with
most of the time, whether it's multi dimensional whatever. So yeah,
I saw on the sand for digits and I had
taken a picture and I was like staring at it.
I came home and I didn't play it, and if
I played it, well, I was probably on one hundred
thousand dollars. So yeah, and it's recent.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I just.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I don't know what to say because people, like I said,
people zero in on what they want to hear. I
don't have all the answers I've said before. This could
quite possibly be. I mean, I use Oukham's razor that
the idea of that which requires the least number of
variables is the more likely explanation. So, you know, are

(34:57):
we talking about ultraterrestrial or aliens or or interdimensionals or
or that our that our government or maybe some rogue
group of people within the government have crossed technological thresholds
we can't even comprehend yet, so that what you know,

(35:19):
we see a stealth uh, stealth fighter or something fly
over and we're like, wow, look at that. But that technology.
If you go back to Nazi Germany, you had stealth
technology and their horton, you know, their play the wing,
flying wing, and the jet engine. So the the concepts
were there and to say, well, we just passed that rubicon,

(35:40):
like the Internet now is for public consumption, but it
comes out of military applications and stuff. In case we
had a nuclear war. They wanted to have redundancy building
the Internet, everything decentralized so that the launch codes could
still go forward. And so but we we have this
you know this uh, this technology that's an outgrowth of that.

(36:01):
Just like with the Space Shuttle program, all at years later,
we still the tech, So the same thing. Am I
arrogant enough to think that we and the number one
these have to be alien or other worldly? Where perhaps
there's a group of people who have already passed a

(36:23):
technological threshold to be able to read your mind. Even
is we already understand scientifically that between thought and reality
there's about a half second at least a half second
difference and how we perceive the world and how things
are happening. Could someone, could some nefarious group, maybe associated

(36:45):
with vena syndrome, could they exploit that difference so that
they would seem to have an advantage over you. They would,
you know, because if it takes you a little delay,
and they don't have that delay, they could be almost
seeming like they can read your mind, especially if they
could somehow build in a few seconds that would explain
my VP clips a lot of them, which seem to

(37:06):
be a telepathy or a form of it. If let's
say there's a group of scientists or people who decided
I'm a guinea pig, and they throw me a bone
every now and then and say let him think it's aliens.
You know, we're gonna let him win a couple of lotteries,
and then we're gonna, you know, we're gonna We're just
gonna do this for the public too, because he's gonna
be on these podcasts because it's part of my nature
to get out there and tell people, and and it's

(37:29):
a win win for whatever group may be behind this.
So I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but I have
to be honest and say, there are all these possibilities.
So just because I have clips that these beings say
they're alien or say there of the world, he does
not mean that is the case. And I have to
be like otherwise I'd be, you know, just presenting things

(37:52):
with spin. I wrestle with this constantly, and I'm just like, wow,
you know, I do believe that. I still remember with
my brother. This is an example, parallel example. It was
late eighties. We were out there was a thunderstorm, but
it was a high altitude lightning storm, so there was
no rain. So we're out walking on the school hill

(38:14):
down from where I live and we look up in
the lightning between the clouds. The first time I saw
a stealth bomber and it was flying overhead and I
was like, again, it was like technology, but it wasn't
beyond my imagination, and I was like, thank God I

(38:34):
live in this country. They can create. I didn't think
it was aliens. I was like, it's wonderful to think
that America has created things like that. They're flying over
they looked like from where I was, it looked kind
of like a Batman vehicle, and I was like, it
was amazing. But again, I never attributed that to anything
supernatural or paranormal. And that's why I have to try

(38:57):
to stay There's part of me that says, just because
I don't understand it doesn't mean that it can't be
something a little bit more pedestrian. So but I will
say this, the magic is real in the sense what
I've been told the way the world is, whether it's

(39:17):
human beings that have advanced or progressed so far beyond
what we think they had, because I mean, they're usually
about fifty years ahead technologically as to what we know,
which again makes me upset because I think, well, why
are we fighting all these wars with old school equipment? Why,
you know, when we have energy that's you know, limitless,
Why are people paying electric bills?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Why?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Because again, because there's certain groups of people who are
in power. So it's the same thing, and the parallel
can be drawn if what I'm saying is true, which
I am convinced one hundred percent is true, that things
are not as we've been told. Those people out there
who stand a benefit from status quo not you know,
capsizing their paradigm and making people upset, you like the

(40:03):
lottery and all these things and the government, and it's
just okay, it really it starts to whole can of
worms where all I'm trying to put on the table,
and this is what I stand on. This is again again,
interpretation is a different thing. I'm just saying something. There's
a mystery here. It doesn't make sense. I'm able to
do this if you have a military grade Faraday pouch,

(40:25):
which is a smaller version of Faraday cage. I'm able
to put these cell phones in there when the ear
ringing happens, and be able to record the messages inside
the pouch. Now, science, as we understand it, you have
to qualify everything as where you know, my legal background
always is like, well, you got to make sure that
you're saying it with all the details as we understand it.

(40:46):
That's not possible. But it doesn't mean obviously it's happening.
So our understanding is the problem here. And it's the
same thing with you know, I believe whatever I'm interacting
with has a sense of humor. Again and again I
I've been I've found the it's a it's a twisted

(41:06):
sense of humor, like if if if if they are
let's say demonic or something. Well, you know, hey, they
haven't hurt me and I have you know, I don't
run around and and and I don't do any occult practices.
I don't practice anything like that. You know, I go
on and talk for hours about all the things.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Hold that thought. We'll be right back after this brief
commercial break, and we are back to the show. Let's
hop right.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
In including like, uh, are you familiar with a port
where it's something materializes out of the ether, And I
have one, right, I have one in my pocket. I
carry with me. It's a pocket knife, and I carry
as like a talisman where I mean, I don't believe
it has any magical properties, but whatever it rematerial disappeared

(42:05):
from us. And when I was and I looked everywhere
for because it came from my dad, God rest his
soul and it was gone. I went to the mall,
I looked everywhere I could have fallen out of my pocket.
And then I'm sitting there weeks later, and there is
and it's a clear sunny day, and I'm sitting there
with my wife. We're watching television, and there's an explosion

(42:26):
in our living room. I don't know how to do.
There's a thunderclap, and boom, there's the knife, and out
of out of nothing, there it is. And I don't
understand it. But I'm not going to say that it
didn't happen. It did, and it's in my pocket, and
there's the hard evidence. Well, I mean, I was going
to give that.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
There was a.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Meeting with Gary Nolan in New York City. I was
going to give it to him because I thought maybe
he could analyze the metallurgy and find out if there's
anything unusual about it. But again, I just I don't
have the technical expertise. I mean, I don't understand any
more than what I'm trying to put on tables. Hey,
these e VP clips are pretty amazing, and not only

(43:07):
am I able to have interactions with whatever it is,
whoever it is, they give me answers to things I
don't know, but also they seem to know things in
the future a little bit. And I have the proof
is my my ugly mug all across Pennsylvania and that's
just a few months ago, and you know, and then

(43:29):
they will confirmate everything. People want to say, this guy's
full of it, and I'm talking about I say, go
out and independently verify, do your own homework. I always
sell students, do your homework, you know, and when you
do your homework, you're going to find out the Pennsylvania
Lottery will confirm it. But they also said they will
not talk about my technique because that could disturb people.
So they'll say, hey, you wan fine, and you want

(43:52):
to get it, fine, but but as far as the
technique and stuff that is beyond, they're never going to
do that. I mean until the whole paradigm changes and
that that is My goal is to elevate this conversation
so that everybody on their own and can go out
there and research and you know, all my stuff, Like

(44:13):
I says, free, I said, it's just it's available. You
can check it out. You can check out the documentaries free,
everything's free. Free. The hardest thing I've found is trying
to share it with people as you get the podcast
and stuff, and you're trying to get to the maximum audience.
Who I have something that It's not a religion to me.
I mean, I just want people to know, Hey, things
are not as we've been told and whatever that means,

(44:36):
evaluated for the merits that you know, I mean, you
know it's got merit to further investigate it.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Well, I've got a bit of I guess a observation
that will lead into a question if you don't mind
humor and me for a moment.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh, yes.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
So we talk a lot on the show about the
connections between different you know, paranormal or high strangeness events,
and what I think is so interesting about your story is,
you know, these EVP situations are most commonly associated with
ghosts and you know, poulter geist activity and things of
that nature. And the fact that these entities, whatever they

(45:14):
may be, almost seem to have like a trickster nature,
but they're presenting themselves or telling you rather that they're extraterrestrials.
It almost makes me wonder, you know, what could the
connectivity between ghosts and paranormal And like you said, ultraterrestrials, aliens,
things of that nature be and something that I kept

(45:37):
thinking about as you were telling your story, especially when
you were talking about the government applications and the technology
and whatnot. I don't know if you're familiar with Jack Parsons.
He was a rocket engineer, rocket scientist in the early
days of NASA, but also a practicing occultist. He was

(45:57):
a kind of disciple of Ali Croley. But anyway, the
point I kind of wanted to get to and ask
you your thoughts on is supposedly, around the work of
this Jack Parsons fellow, the US government back in like
the forties and fifties, there was a kind of clandestine

(46:19):
and this all allegedly, but kind of a clandestine group
within the US government called the Collins Elite supposedly that
thought this gentleman had kind of opened these portals that
what was being presented as aliens.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Were actual like biblical demons.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
And you know, there's this idea that the US government
had kind of made a deal with these entities, whatever
they may be, for technology. So just hearing your story
made me just think about this over and over. It's like,
oh my god, this is like so much in line
with things we talk about on the show. And I
guess that was my really long winded way of asking
you an impossible question. What do you think these entities

(47:02):
could be? What do you think they are in quote
unquote real world terms, and what connection, if any, do
you think they have to other paranormal and high strangeness
type activity.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Okay, that's a good three part question. I believe. I
believe other generations yea, Historically have I have referred to
angels and gods gin which would be more of the

(47:38):
Arab tradition. I believe that they're all part and parcel
of that mysterious you know, paranormal quality. Yes, they're all
I think. I think it goes back to consciousness. I
think really that's the key. Uh, you know, when you
open portals, and I do believe if you believe, you

(48:01):
could use the word believe, and you see the scriptures
when Jesus would go into towns where you didn't have
people who believed he couldn't do much. It says he
didn't do much in those towns, but because they didn't
have the faith. I think, I think when people are

(48:22):
open minded, those portals literally and figuratively can open to
a greater consciousness for good and evil, you know. I mean,
I think there's definitely a lot of scientific evidence that
the Nazis were heavily involved in the occult, and we're
trying to summon whatever to get that advantage. And I

(48:43):
have encountered entities that seemed to be evil, you know,
negative forces, even racist, you know, and working in an HBCU,
the last thing you want is to have, you know,
some kind of entity and an EVP clip saying the
end word. It's not going to work.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And I don't care how you want to sugarcoat it.
That's a that's a negative. So when I hear something negative,
I stopped interacting with it. Uh. And I have you know,
it's interesting because in the early days of my interactions,
I went to the library and I was I decided

(49:23):
I was going to try try to interact with them
in a different way with an attitude. So I went
in and I said, you're here to serve me. I did.
I did. I basically flipped the script and I wanted
to be bold, uh and and to be cocky. Upon
playback of this interaction, is this happened in the year

(49:46):
you have the head. There seemed like there were several beings,
but the head being, which sound masculine, said rock Dove,
which is a put down, which means I'm a street pigeon,
all right, that in full well, knowing that I have
an affinity for pigeons. So you have this like, oh,

(50:07):
here's the here's the right, here's the street pigeon talking
like he's a big bird. But I think again, I
don't know. I have a clip. I have clips which
sound like whoever it is is suffering, like in hell.
I have one who was recorded back in twenty eighteen,

(50:31):
in October, and the voice says constant hell. And then
I see, I don't know what it's saying. I hear
the noise, and in my head I say, are you
a devil? So I say that out loud, and so
upon playback of the clip, you had this scary voice
saying constant hell, right, and then you hear my question

(50:52):
are you a devil? And afterwards you hear this wispy
little voice saying I don't want to talk about it.
Like it like like whatever pretentiousness or whatever mask it
was wearing to try to intimidate all that was peeled
away and you almost have pity for what you hear.

(51:15):
So you hear this frightening, almost satanic voice at the beginning,
you hear my question, which basically cuts to the bone
of the issue, are you a devil? And then you
hear the wispy, fleeting, going away voice. I don't want
to talk about it. It just it was like I
have many clips. I haven't mentioned this in any other podcast,

(51:37):
so this is a first where there's a continuum of thought.
So you have diametrically posed like I have a clip
and the EARRINGU has happened and upon playback, right, So
the question I ask in the middle is is what
do you want At the beginning of the clip, nothing,

(51:58):
At the end of the clip says everything. So you
have that whole from from beginning to end five second clip,
and you have the voice at the beginning emphatically nothing
and at the end everything, And it's disturbing because number one,
I think it knows just like being their favorite and

(52:21):
yet we're sorry, that's not what I want to hear
because that obsess I'm like, well, I can't be that
kind of person where you know I'm being played right,
No one wants to be gullible, and at the same time,
no one wants to be seen as a street pigeon.
So you can understands there's a certain level here of

(52:42):
the interactions. If they are Number one, if they're demonic,
because I have one one clip and the voice says
it's God, right, says I'm God. It certainly doesn't sound
like God in my concept of God. It sounds wimpy,
it sounds uh again, it's sounds like it's toying with me.
So to say that they are alien or otherworldly, sure

(53:05):
sounds interesting. But do I believe them? Why should I.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Sit tight? Guys, we got to pay some bills. And
now back to the show.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I have these other clips where they're contradictory. All right.
I have a clip where in twenty nineteen, before Biden
got the Democratic nod to become the nominees twenty nineteen,
all right, before COVID, I asked that question, the same
question I ask in September twenty twenty. The entity says,

(53:46):
loud and fast, Biden is going to win the election.
By September twenty twenty, it's Donald Trump. Okay, Again, there
are these contradictions, and that's where it's like a game whatever.
When I when I was being I have one clip
and this voice likes to recur. This voice calls me daddy.

(54:13):
Now I know I said at the point black, I
am not your father to this thing, right, And then
you have it, says daddy cuddles. It's trying to say
the name of our rabbit. An earlier clip, I asked
the entities, what was the name of our rabbit that
recently passed? And at the beginning of the clip you

(54:34):
hear an emphatic cuddles. Right, So whatever it is, and
it could be, it could be. This is just one
little amieba of an entity that likes to play games,
that likes to pretenil you ever see that. There's an
episode of the old Generation Star Trek and you have

(54:58):
the little al and boy. It looks a little boy
who runs the whole ship, but he has the alter
ego which looks like a big you know, he's trying
to be scary and stuff and try to be imposing
because he knows if Captain Kirk, Saul and the rest
that you're the you're the adversary here, you're the you're
the little guy. And he looks like maybe he's like

(55:20):
eight years old, but he's you know, he's supposed to
be an adult.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
He's using the puppet of like the whole evil alien
looking thing to try to like look like he's this
evil emperor, but it's actually just this kid sitting behind
with a little puppet trying to scare the whole ship. Yep,
I remember that one.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
That's the one is well, I draw the parallel, at
least in my mind quite possibly just as real as not.
That's what I'm dealing with. Something that is creating a projection,
you know, whether it be you know, scary on one hand,
whether it be you know, playful, whether it be trying
to be endearing, whether and again, there may be many

(55:57):
of them, there may be just one one parasite that's
latched onto me and invisible.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I say this noise sounds like high pitched like Chris.
Then he also sounds like a mosquito. So imagine if
there is some psychic parasite out there, it feeds on
emotions and stuff and likes to get a rise, uh
and and again throws me a bone every now and
then with some money, uh and and and has me
on podcast because I just I don't know. I mean,

(56:26):
and I have to be open mind. So I'm sure
people in the audience want they want clarity, they want
oh this is alien or this is this is uh
demonic or this is you know what. I don't know.
And I've been doing this for years.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I do know one thing. They haven't hurt me. They
never told me to do anything you know, bad or evil,
and I I and if they did, I would cut
them off. And I've actually when there's been vulgarity where
they've used lots of profanity. Sometimes I said in it's
enough of that, and then for like the next seven clip,
I get apologies, We're sorry. Can you imagine number one again?

(57:04):
This is all manipulation. I really believe it where they
get a rise and I said they, and I'm using
that just as a generic. I don't know if it's
they or it gets a rise out of playing these games.
Because when I was doing remote viewing for some of
these researchers on the West Coast in Canada, I would

(57:25):
say we're going to do a remote viewing exercise and
then upon playback, you hear, oh, we're going to play
the game again. I like playing the game. Maybe this
is all part of a game. And you know, I
just I have to be honest and upfront and whatever
questions people have in the end, you know, you got
to do your own research. I'm saying, here's my real

(57:48):
world results with this. And you know, this could all
be a simulation. These could all be glitches in the matrix.
I could be dreaming somewhere. And that was another thing.
When I this first started, I was so unnerved by
it that I thought, Okay, something horrible's happened. I've been
in some kind of accident. I'm in a coma. This

(58:09):
can't be real because I saw things move, I mean
like and I saw physical objects move, and I thought,
that's not My world doesn't allow for that. But then
I had to adjust. I had to, you know, say, well,
some things in life, whether you like it or not,

(58:31):
you know, are true and you're going to have to,
you know, come to terms with it. And this aspect
of life. I've asked different people to please debunk it.
I wanted so badly, especially in the early days, that
this is I wanted it to not be real because
I think what it opens up is that kind of
feeling of vertigo where it's just so much is then

(58:55):
you realize it's beyond your control that if there's an
invisible rend, it's interacting, you know, because we only see
a small fraction of the whole spectrum to start with.
If you see pictures of butterflies and what hummingbirds seem
when it comes to the flowers, they can perceive a
whole different range and the colors that we don't even have.

(59:16):
Am saying, so, what's my little brain, my tiny brain?
I have to be honest and say, there's probably a
multitude of interactions with things that we can't see, that
maybe have consciousness, that have some intellect, and maybe they
don't share our morals and they don't eat like we do.

(59:39):
Maybe they are parasitical, I mean, and maybe some of
these cases of people doing bad things, maybe these beings
have whispered in the ears or whatever of the leaders
or or people who've gone and shot up. It's frightening,
and then you start to worry about how can we
live in a world where we are always under us

(01:00:00):
alt with the things that we can't see or can't perceive,
you know. I just I'm a believer that there is
God and there is some kind of wondrous. And I say,
because my my my connection is Christianity. I don't understand

(01:00:21):
all that. I mean a lot of it has been humanized,
but I think there's something behind all of it. You
know that there is a creator in the universe. It
loves creating, that there's such beauty in the world. Yeah,
we can see the ugliness that's always in our face too,
But I'm telling you when when I see all the

(01:00:41):
life and all the variety and and the the and
I don't see this as just chance. I mean, evolution
is only part of the process. I think it's like,
maybe inclosing, the idea is we could always, as human
beings with our limited sets, approach things and understand maybe

(01:01:02):
the mechanism, but we perhaps won't understand what's behind the mechanism.
That that ineffable quality, that mystery. And that's where all
I'm saying with my experience, the magic is real. I
don't understand it. Again, you know, if this is actually human,
maybe fifty years worth of you know, of advancement and

(01:01:26):
tech that we don't know about. Well, you know, wow,
again to me, it seems like magic. And they say
that any you know or you know the Arthur C.
Clarke quote that if you have enough time between cultures,
it would seem like magic. If we took a cell
phone back and showed it to people even in the
Victorian age and stuff, they would be uh, they would

(01:01:48):
look at it as like people, you know, and little
pictures and being able to hear you conversations and stuff
and see the pictures move, it would seem like magic.
And if you go even further back, you know there's
a primitive man to maybe in the caves and stuff,
it would be absolutely divine, some kind of magic sorcery.

(01:02:09):
So so, yeah, if our species has already advanced to
the point where some people, maybe even in the farious group,
have tech that they are able to read your thoughts
at advance and what you're thinking, there's no basically have
an advantage over you. And yeah, that can be disturbing,
but it can also be again something that pondered, I think, wow,

(01:02:31):
Like I, like I said, when I saw the stealth
bomber the first time with my little brother, we were
taking it just like it was absolutely a seminal moment,
a moment that I can touchstone saying that's where I
saw something and it was like magic. I mean, but
I understood it wasn't, but I'm saying to see something

(01:02:51):
that it was, it inspired me, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
This is something that just to throw in another closing
thought on this one, something that we've been kind of
pulling at the strings for a little while now. I mean,
we definitely obviously take into consideration like the whole idea
of UFOs. We don't by any means, you know, try
to shut down the idea about extraterrestrials, UFOs any of
that type of stuff. But we've been pulling on this
string for a while about there being a huge factor
of the quote extraterrestrial phenomenon actually being some type of

(01:03:18):
human tie. And we've connected a lot of stuff from
like mask lines to just like really really weird experiences
like Cisco Grove that we recently covered that only seems
to really make sense if you put it under like
a human perspective. So this could definitely be one of
those things that kind of just pulls at the line
that this is just another human connection. Because like you
were kind of talking about, with technology being a lot

(01:03:38):
earlier than what people actually imagine it is, we kind
of started this chain going back to like the Nazi
experiments and basically continuations of the Nazi experiment. So if
you're looking at it from that facade, that goes into
all the MK Ultra stuff that you know, also leads
in with the extraterrestrial stuff and their interest in you
checking out these other places. I mean, it definitely seems
like there could almost be like a tie here where

(01:04:00):
you know, they are doing some continuation of quote these
MK ultra type experiments and maybe even controlling both sides
of the paradigm, meaning that you know, we talk about
all the time on the show, the whole conspiracy of
the paranormal that it seems like everybody just lets people
run with it, being these like ghost shows that this
is what the paranormal is, but it seems like there's
this huge government interest in it, like there's a whole

(01:04:21):
other side to it that they're kind of just letting
everybody muddy the waters with. So in a weird way,
this connects two things that we've been talking about that
they could be more of an advancement on this paranormal
side than what we believe that there is, and on
the flip side, they're being this human intervention with a
lot of this strange phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. I think I go
back to some of these prestigious scientists would not give
me the time of day because they're busy people if
I was full of it. So they know there's something
to this, and maybe they I think that some of
them do know a little bit more than I do

(01:04:57):
about what it really is. But whether I'm just you know,
as a person who just happened to be at the
right place at the right time and it fell into
my lap kind of thing. I can't ever say that
I wanted to be doing something like this. I mean,
it's exciting on one level, and believe me, talking about

(01:05:19):
winning of a lottery that excites people. But because everybody,
but there's something, there's something to be said for I
really and I don't want to be a conspiracist. I think. Well,
even that that term conspiracy theory that came from the
CIA in the sixties, you know they created that after

(01:05:42):
the jfk assassination. There's a whole language to it's crafted
to its news speak.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yes, it is a narrative and make people think a
certain way. You see it all the time with news
and now where they drop report or these specific words
that make you think a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Certain way that's the truth, And so we are being manipulated.
I have definitely been manipulated by these entities to uh,
to think that they are what they probably are not.
It doesn't mean and it doesn't take away from the
astonishment of like, wow, so this is possible. I mean,
and even if even if that's suppose it's supposed that

(01:06:21):
it is something that is alien by definition or otherworldly,
to even find that they're curious about about interacting with
us in the most mundane things about pigeons, you know,
I mean, I mean, I can't imagine a being has
traveled hundreds of light years to worry about, uh, what

(01:06:43):
kind of homing pigeon? And am I going to get
any how much are they worth that to me? And
I will say this, there's a there's also I look
for patterns and the human nature, and I said that
the person can make a mistake with paradoli and see
things that aren't there, all right, But I've seen a
pattern and a lot of the interactions I've had. The

(01:07:04):
language that they use seems like, you know, when I
was talking about making a documentary, they said, we're down
with it. It seems like the seventies. I mean, I
don't know why. It seems old school, and I was
just like, so they say things that almost date them,
and I'm thinking, and I interact with people in the

(01:07:26):
UFO community a lot. You know Patrick Jackson, I don't know
if you've been following him with his metallic spheres. He's
out of the UK and he is about to break big.
Because it's called it. Check him out. And I don't
usually prefer to other people, but one of my friends,
Patrick Jackson, is on the verge of breaking big because
it's called the sphere network that our planet and we

(01:07:50):
there's so much evidence to say there are these spheres
that were not created by people that are here protecting
us from something, all right, that that whether they be
ultra dimensional air crow flying sorcerers that with evil and
whatever it is. Just check him out. So there's a
little plug for his stuff, because this guy is onto

(01:08:13):
something big and and now just like they're, they're actually working.
He's he's, he's been in the United States Congress and stuff,
all right, he's he's, he's, he's briefed people. People are
in and know there's something going on. Here, there's obviously
go back to there's more than we've been told, all right,
and we've been left in the dark about a lot

(01:08:33):
of things. And I I am not gonna be uh
you know, a simpleton here. I mean, I'm certainly not.
I'm not able to deceive myself and say I know
it all. I don't know hardly anything. I mean, most
of it is just the mystery, just as when this started.
But I will say that it's it's intriguing and whatever
the source is, whether it be spiritual or whether it

(01:08:56):
be paranormal, or or or human tech or a marriage
of all of them, it's fascinating stuff. And you know,
I could, like I said, I could talk for hours
and hours, but you know I wish I could, but
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Hold on tight. Guys, this is our last break, so
stay tuned and we are back to the show. Let's
hop right in. Yeah, any closing thoughts on before we
start wrapping it up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
No, I'm just gonna say, mister Arnold, thank you so
much for coming on and sharing your story with us.
Like you said, I feel like I could pick your
brain for hours. Maybe we'll have to have you come
back on the show at some point, I'm sure I
could come up with a whole other page of questions
for you, but just thank you for sharing some of
your time with us tonight and it was so awesome
to talk to you and look forward to potentially talking

(01:09:53):
to you again in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Thank you, and be sure to check out my website,
my launch pad, my compendium website, which is that we
are not alone medium. I'm sure you could put in
your links and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I'll include it down in the show description. Somebody
can find it easy to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Yeah, it's got everything, I mean, all the talking I've
done and all the experiences and everything and links to
all the free stuff, and you just hope people enjoy
it because it's there for it really, I mean I'm
not getting anything from it. It's for everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
So yeah, maybe Orn and I can go through. We
can dissect the website a little bit, and we can
do around two because I always say with something like
this big and heavy, you got to kind of lay
the framework the first time, and then the second time
we can come back and really start like dissecting it up.
And especially the limited time we'll have to definitely come
back when Orn and I can do some back research
into your stuff and yeah, see if you can uncover
something new or maybe throw some new thoughts and ideas

(01:10:41):
on this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Fantastic. Well, thank you so much, yes, sir, thank you. Yep,
you guys have a good one, you too, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Bye bye, And if anyone would like to get in
touch with us for any reason whatsoever, Shane tell them
how they can do that.

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