#124 The Kecksburg UFO Incident

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any and I looked out and there was this big, red,
blinking UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.
Something's going on. They're not dogs, they're not coyotes.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
What could it be?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I had an encounter with a skunk cake and it
completely altered the course of my life. I got a
call on building what about saying sightings of a UFO covering.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Over a barn. Really woke up from a dream.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
And when I went into the bedroom, she said, there's
a monctre on the wall. They saw that the creature
had run through a barbed wire fence that they were
able to obtain cares. They sent the hairs to their
lab and it came back as an online creature creature.

(01:14):
What is up?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Bizarre Rights and welcome back to the most bizarre show
on the Internet. I am the one that they refer
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So Bang bang skeet skat.

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Yeah that's the daddy.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
That's the daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So we're switching it up tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, mix it up a little bit, you know, beat
beat skeet skeet, and that's the daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
So that wasn't quite a sexual and suggestive as some
of the more recent ones. So I'm really disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, I'll make the next one super sexual. I figured
i'd lightened it up a little bit maybe for this episode,
because maybe this is one that families could listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
So we are a family show, So I mean.

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Speaking of that, that's one I need to add to
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We definitely need that for any time we get off
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I got talking about grabbing Dix and twisting on. Just
we'll throw in it's a family.

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Show exactly, and I'll put the apology from Alex to
at the end of that. That'll just be a formal
thing that we do at the end from now on.

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And now diving into today's episode, and I apologize for
the really long intro. We just had a little bit
of important updates to get to, so again, normally not
that long, but it is what it is. But today
we're going to be diving into something that I guess
we've kind of talked about a little bit intermittently on
the show for a while. We've made a lot of
references to it, and it's also something that is near

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and dear to the heart of one of our fellow
friends of the show, w Jo over there, cryptoteology. So
without further ado, I'll let let or let the listeners
know what we're getting into today.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah. So, like you said, Shane, this is a topic
that we've talked about in several episodes and kind of
touched on. But I thought it was past time to
devote a full deep dive to the Kecksburg UFO incident.
So unless you got any thoughts to get us started,
I'm gonna go ahead and jump in.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
No, I have hope right in man.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
All right. So, on the evening of December ninth of
nineteen sixty five, residents of at least six US states
and the Canadian province of Ontario reported seeing a large,
flaming object streaking across the sky.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Object was sorry, said halicous Joe for your equipted for
cryptids anyway, So, the object was estimated to be traveling
over one thousand miles per hour, and several eyewitnesses reported
hearing a loud like sonic boom tie sound as it passed,

(11:02):
kind of suggesting that this object was breaking the sound barrier.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Roud there you go. Also, there were multiple like airline
and like fighter jet pilots that were in the air
at the time, and they reported experiencing like aftershocks in
mid air. And there are also contrails that were quote
likely caused by a decrease in pressure that remained in

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the sky like long after the object had passed. So
not jumping ahead too far, but this decrease in pressure,
remember that when we get into kind of thoughts and theories,
because we talk all the time about like pressure changes
and portals opening and the possibilities of things of that nature.
So just keep that one on the back burner, alrighty. So,

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the object also made multiple abrupt changes in direction, and
according to the ufologist Stan Gordon, it quote made a
twenty five degree turn near Cleveland, Ohio and came in
on a straight path over Pittsburgh. Then it made another
turn south and yet another turn toward Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. And

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Kecksburg is about forty miles southeast of Pittsburgh, so in
like western Pennsylvania. So at approximately four forty five PM,
there are these two kids and their names were Nevin
and Nadine KAlP Ka Lp and these two kids were
playing outside at their family's farm which was near Kexsburgh, Pennsylvania,

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and these two kids saw this large flaming object crash
into the woods near their house, and so Nevin and
Nadine ran into the house and they told their mother,
whose name was Francis, what they had seen. And so Francis,
you know, ran outside to the edge of the woods
and she saw this large column of smoke rising from
the presumed crash site. And all this sounds like really

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really similar to the Flatwood's Monster encounter to me. You know,
you had these kids playing outside, they saw this thing crash,
they go and retrieve their mother. Their mother comes out
and sees it. So do you have any thoughts about
any of that before I continue?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean talk about like almost like predictive programming. It's
like the generic movie UFO Encounter or Astraid encounter that
starting to aliens. Yeah, it's the typical. You know, everybody's
having a good time, kids are playing and then this
boom thing crashes and then a bunch of smoke comes
up like it almost kind of also reminds me of
like the color out of Space for example, or even
something like I'm sure you've seen the creep show that

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first one that has Stephen King in it for the
movie where he touches the thing that came from space
and he becomes like one with this LGA fungus looking
thing like, I don't know, it just has the typical
motif of you know, like the nineteen fifties generically you.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Have very alien B movie type set up exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I mean, obviously it's a stereotype and it's reference from somewhere,
so I mean, all.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Right, So Francis returned to the house and she contacted
the Kecksburg Fire Department and the local office of the
Pennsylvania State Police, and at approximately six thirty pm, police
officers and firefighters started to arrive at the property and
they began searching for what they thought at the time
was probably some sort of like crashed aircraft or plane

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or something of that nature.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
We apologize, guys for the interference, but we will be
right back.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
And now back to the show. All right, So jumping
back in, we're going to talk about the account of
a young man named James Romanceki. Romanceki roman Ski. I
like that name. He might have been. We don't know
that old.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
That Romanceki boy, he's.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
So romantic But anyway, so the Kecksburg Fire Department contacted
another local fire department in nearby Lloydsville, and they requested
help like with this search for again what they thought
was an aircraft. And this James Romanski, who was eighteen
years old at the time, was one of the firefighters

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who showed up to help. Out of course he's a firefighter.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
The Romanski's a firefighter's setting up the motif right now,
And I've starting to sound like a love novel.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well, hey, you can just go whatever direction you want
to with that.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Romanski saved me from a UFO. It sounds like a
really bad fan fiction.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Well, anyway, according to Romanski, he and his fellow firefighters
were searching the woods and they came across a large
metallic acorn shaped object. And this is hell is even
that exactly? This is the picture that like everybody associates
with the Kecksburg UFO incident. So this thing was partially

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buried in the ground when they found it, and also
the tree tops in the area were broken from where
this thing had, you know, crash landed. The object was
a dark gold or bronze in color, and it was
approximately ten to fifteen feet tall and eight to twelve
feet in diameter. And remember those figures. We're going to

(16:13):
kind of touch on that again later. So the surface
of this object was completely smooth, and it had no
visible propulsion system or anything of that nature.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's why I was just barreling through space at one
thousand miles an hour to SWI launch side of something like.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Pure What if it was in Joe Dirk, you know
how he thinks he found the meteor and it's just
like turds from an airplane hold. If that's what this was,
just like space turds.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, it's space turd It's how the it's how the
Aliens get rid of their waist. They just shoot it
down on Earth and they say, fuck it, it's just
a giant cone looking thing.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, hey, we don't need to do the rest of
the episode. We've cracked the code.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
It's space shits. It's always space shits, man.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
But anyway, so kind of interestingly, this object did have
like a raised like ridge or lip at the bottom
of it, and Romanski claimed that this ridge was covered
in these strange symbols that he said resembled Egyptian hieroglyphics,
which is pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
It's definitely a conspiracy man.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
So a short time after these firefighters discovered this object,
military personnel started to arrive at the crash site, and
allegedly they had Geiger counters with them, which of course
are used for detecting and measuring radiation, remember this radiation
aspect as well, they already kind of knew what.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I feel like they already had an idea of what
was going on here, because why would you already start
bringing that stuff out like back then, Let's see what
year is this again?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Just the throw sixty five sixty five?

Speaker 3 (17:44):
So were they really dealing with like nuclear aircraft at
the time, like anything that would have been carrying anything nuclear?
I don't I don't feel like they would have been
around this time, right.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, I mean, I guess theoretically you're not that far
removed from the end of World War II and you're
kind of in the throes of the Cold War at
this point, So I mean, I guess there is a
little bit they might have thought it was a bull
deniability there, but yeah, it is kind of weird. And
like I said, this radiation motif is going to pop
up a few more times in this episode, So definitely

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keep that one in the back of your mind.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I mean, just to throw it in what they may
have been thinking at this point too. I mean, especially
if it just was like the tail end of like
the Cold War two, they could have potentially thought this
thing was some type of like advanced like you know,
missile or some type of bomb or something like that.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And I kind of get into that here in a off.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
But the hieroglyphics are what get extra weird. And I'm
sure we'll probably dive into that a little bit later,
but yeah, the hieroglyphics, man, that's like as soon as
you hear that, that's like one of those bing bingbing
that sticks out exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I mean, how many kind of UFO alien type stories
do we talk about that, you know, this hieroglyphic motif
pops up time and time again. So yeah, definitely an
interesting little tidbit.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Maybe it goes into our space ships theory. I mean,
you know, maybe the whole hieroglyphics language was taught to
you know, the ancient Egyptians by an extraterrestrial race. So
you know, the hieroglyphics that you're reading on the side
literally just says something around the lines of like do
not open full of toxic waste.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
It's like a hieroglyph of somebody sitting on a toilet
or something.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean, what would the consistency be of alien shit?
Like just to throw this out here, the weird thing
to think about. Has anybody ever seen the back of
a gray do these things possess? Because everybody makes reference
to the fact that they don't have like front genitalia,
So is there is there is there an exit point?
Would aliens even produce excrement or would they be something
that like excels the or it gets rid of their

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excrement in a different way, Like do they just like
push it out through their skin or something? Because I'm
assuming that if they don't have the front genitalia, they
probably don't have an exit door.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Or what if they have like multiple buttholes? Have you
thought about that?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
What if they just throw it up out their mouth
like wuck?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay, So we're gonna get back into the material. The
military personnel who arrived on the scene forced romance Ski
and the other firemen to leave the area, and they
said that the military was going to be taking over
the search. So all these firefighters they returned to the
Kecksburg Fire Department, and when they got there, they found

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that the military had kind of like taken over the
fire station and they had set up like a temporary
headquarters there. Romanski also claimed that while they were there
at the fire station, they saw a military convoy with
a flatbed truck driving past the fire station, and this
truck was allegedly loaded with a large object covered with

(20:36):
a tarp. So of course everybody presumes that this is
whatever the crashed object was loaded up on this truck.
And it's kind of interesting because this account of this
military convoy and the flatbed truck is like corroborated by
a lot of witnesses, Like several locals reported seeing this
military convoy in some way, shape or form. So I

(20:58):
think there's enough there that we can say the military
definitely trucked something out of there.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well, I mean, regardless of the conspiracy behind it, the
UFO portion behind it, no matter what this thing was, like,
if there's a foreign object that crashes like, you're gonna
have to expect that they are going to remove it
with military means because they don't know what it is.
So whether it's a conspiracy or not, no matter what
it was, even if it was a crash aircraft from
another country, Like, I don't think there's a conspiracy behind

(21:24):
the government coming and removing this thing. If there's an
unidentified thing that crashes, like of course they're going to
remove it. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that
the military showed up for whatever the hell this thing was.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, and we're gonna kind of touch on some of
these thoughts and theories and whatnot, but yeah, it seems
to me that you can't really argue with the fact
that something crashed and they removed it via military means,
Like you said, So, whatever that thing is, we're gonna
speculate about that in a little bit. But again, kind
of seems like there's enough smoke there to be some

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sort of fire.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, even at the simplest fact, if they are
already checking out there with guys your counters and it
gave any form of radiation instantly off of that, the
military is going to deal with it because they're gonna
be the only people that are gonna have the right
specifications to deal with something like that, especially if it's
something that could have potentially contaminated the land itself. So
even just simply off the fact of if this thing
was an asteroid, for example, but it had some type

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of radiation property to it, like they're still going to
deal with it like that, that's gonna be. That's all
military dealing with that.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, exactly. Which you know, keep that in mind again
when we get into the different theories and suggestions on
what this thing was, because one of them I think
is kind of asinine. And it's for these very reasons
you were just saying.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Say, this is a hard one because I already have
so much back information. I don't want to give away
anything too early. But it's like I'm about to pop,
Like I have so much I want to throw at it,
but I I hold it back.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm about to bust. All right, guys, we got to
take another break. We'll be right back. And now we're
getting back to the bazaar, all right. So now we're
going to talk about the account of a young man

(23:09):
named John Murphy. And so there's this radio station called
w h JB, and it was located in Greensburg, Pennsylvania,
and they received several phone calls from locals claiming that
they also saw this object crash land in the woods,
and this reporter for the station named John Murphy decided

(23:30):
that he was going to go out to the scene
and the crash and investigate for himself. So by the
time he arrived at the scene, there are already like
several locals that had gathered, and he interviewed multiple of
these eyewitnesses, including Franc's Coup, which I thought was kind
of interesting. And he even claimed to go into the
woods and take several photographs of you know, the crash

(23:52):
and the trees and whatnot, and.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
There wasn't an alien.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Sorry, and also keep this in mind, the fact that
he allegedly took these photographs, but.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Of actually just sorry not to interrums, but is there
any documentation of this photograph or is that why you
made a reference to it? Is they're gonna get there, okay,
because I was gonna say, most of the time, you
don't have anything Kexsburg. You get just a picture of
the little statue monument they made, and then anything that
Joe made, because it's really there's not a lot of
artwork realistically created for it.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, we're gonna kind of get to what may have
happened to these photographs here in a minute.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Let me guess. I don't even want to guess, because
I already know I'm gonna give it up. But the
good old you know, three letter agencies.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Who else would it be? So anyway, John Murphy, he
was forced to leave the area once the military showed
up and began their search. But following the incident, he
began preparing this like audio documentary that he was planning
on airing on the radio station, and he was planning
on calling it Object in the Woods. However, on the

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day before the documentary was supposed to a two men
dressed in black suits and claiming to be from the
government visited him at the radio station.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's a conspiracy, man, It's definitely a conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
And these two men quote unquote persuaded Murphy to like
heavily edit this documentary before it aired. Sure that I
am sure.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
That's just what they kept asking him every time he
stated something that happened.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
They're just are sure about that. So in the final
version of this documentary that aired, it like didn't even
mention a crashed object. So he went from that being
literally the title of the thing to it not mentioning
it at all.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
What's the documentary? Then, Like, I was in the woods.
I don't know, and I know there was the thing,
and I dealt with it. And that's the end of
the documentary, thirty second shortest documentary ever produced.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
So all this kind of led Murphy to believe that
the government was like intentionally trying to suppress this information
and didn't want the full story being released to the public.
Egivity nonsense. Yes, And it's kind of interesting because there's
another radio station employee named Linda I believe it would
probably be pronounced Focia fo scchia, and she corroborated that.

(26:17):
You know, on this day, government agents did show up
and confiscate notes, audio tapes, and photographs. There you go,
that belonged to Murphy. So you're kind of right. Some
sort of three letter agency was involved, was an FBI, CIA,
m IB who.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Knows, And even again beyond the whole alien phenomenon aspect
of this, looking at it even more from a real
world perspective, you have this unidentified object. You know, they're
viewing it as it could potentially come from another place.
They don't have any explanation from it. It could have
came from Russia, could have came from this So even
up to this point, it doesn't seem like there's anything
that isn't probable, Like if there's an object that crashes,

(26:57):
they don't know what it is, Like, these are the
steps that the military would take regardless. So I don't
even think we've even hit anything that's even can be
considered a conspiracy yet, you know, especially even controlling the information,
because if they don't know what it is, they don't
want people out here trying to make claims on what
it is, because then that's going to become the main focus.
Part of controlling the narrative is you collect all the
information and then you control what information comes out about it.
So I mean, I don't even think there's like a

(27:19):
full blad alien conspiracy yet here. I mean, all this
stuff is no doubt in my mind happened.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh yeah. And kind of the strangest detail up until
this point is the you know, kind of hieroglyphic looking
symbols on the craft. But you know that's very much
up to interpretation as well. I mean, this was nineteen
sixty five. Could it have been like Soviet Russian symbols
or something like that, And this guy was just like, oh, hieroglyphics,

(27:45):
you know, like even that is in the realm of
possibility for it being like a real world thing.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
In my opinion, I mean I could definitely, I could
definitely see that if you look at kind of like
the Slavic rating and you look at it versus Egyptian,
if you just got a quick glance, I could see
how you could definitely mix that up.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
But man, like flip hideroglyphics could be like the closest
thing that this guy had in his head to associate
with it.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
You know, Yeah, I was gonna say this was like
earlier nineteen hundreds, like when there was like the really
really big influx of everybody being super duper fascinated with
you know, Egyptian everything. Then you know, maybe he'd be
a little bit more you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's
definitely hieroglyphics. But when you're getting into the sixties, you know,
I don't know what the education system was back then
and how heavily they taught about ancient history. But yeah,

(28:26):
I coul definitely say how you could potentially mix that
stuff up. But even on the flip side, I mean,
if this was something extraterrestrial, you still got to make
back to the reference of how much there is references
of hieroglyphics, and even in modern day cases, you know,
where people can definitely tell that if it's hieroglyphics versus
some type of Slavic writing, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, And so kind of piggybacking off of that. The
other piece of information that I think it kind of
supports maybe another worldly scenario going on here is that
in nineteen sixty nine, John Murphy was killed in a
mysterious hit and role on incident while walking across the
street in California. And we hear all the time about

(29:06):
you know, UFO experiencers, abductees, whatever, being killed in these
really weird hit and run situations. Have you read Behold
a Pale Horse? Yeah, the Willing Cooper book. Yeah, there's
like a ton of shit in that about these you know,
experiencers and eyewitnesses and whatnot being killed in these strange

(29:27):
hit and run incidents. So I think that's kind of
an interesting piece of information too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I mean, again just going back into the whole idea
about controlling the narrative altogether, and I mean, just to
throw something in and this is a little bit more
conspiratorial slash spiritual aspect of things people talk about like
the power in these old languages. And then you start
getting into like the occult aspect that a lot of
these like people that are into this stuff, like the
language that they're writing in is like an Nochian it's
you know, runs, it's hieroglyphics, all of this stuff. So

(29:56):
if you get into the potential the the I guess
you say potential that there might be actually like power
within these old languages for whatever reason, like the symbols themselves,
like whatever it happens to be.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, I mean sigils almost.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, like sigils and stuff like that. Like there's definitely
a big interest in it. And I'm sure that this
will kind of lead way a little bit with an
Easter egg, but you know, you start diving into some
of like the Nazi ocult stuff and what they were into,
and they were there was a lot of references to
hieroglyphics being on a lot of their stuff, and that's
a little bit of an Easter dak and I won't
go farther than that yet.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Well, that is a good segue into thoughts and theories.
So at the time, one of the prevailing theories was
that this object was simply a meteor, and this was
the theory that was kind of promoted by the military
and you know, all the powers that be and whatnot.
But it seems to be like really inconsistent with most
of the eyewitness accounts. I mean, first off, we have multiple,

(30:50):
multiple people saying that this thing made abrupt changes in direction,
which a meteor would not do. Also, metallic debris was
reported recovered in like multiple states along the object's flight path,
and this I think is really interesting and keep this
one on the back burner too. Eyewitnesses in Kecksburg also

(31:11):
reported seeing this weird pulsating blue light coming from the
woods where the thing landed, and they also reported the
smell of sulfur, which how many times do we talk
about like pulsating blue lights and the smell of sulfur. Again,
this is giving real big flat woods vibes.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I mean, I want to throw this in here. I
feel like this might be a good spot to do
it because I can also throw in something else that
I wanted to mention. So I'm making reference to this
object and the fact that it doesn't have the typical
like UFO motif, like it almost kind of looks like
a like it could be like a rock or like
a meteor, or it's like a solid looking object. Correlate
that with some of the more modern stuff going on.
I mean we recently made reference to it on bizarre inquiries,

(31:50):
the whole amuamua and then the three three I at
lists or thirty one at list, whatever the help people
are calling it. And you're talking about these space objects
that don't seem like the typical proportion or like propulsion mechanisms,
but yet they still are able to have this like
conscious aspect to their flight. You know, we talk about
these different factions and different things that we could potentially

(32:11):
be dealing with, and I mean, could we be dealing
with another reference possibly to something almost like a muamuha
if that does happen to be something or thirty one
at list that you know, there could be this group
or faction or whatever that you know, their mechanics work
a little bit differently, and they look like their objects
are made out of like these stone things, or even
on the flip side, being able to camouflage things because

(32:33):
you know, if there's any other things out there, I mean,
they see a thing that looks like a giant space rock.
You know, they're not going to look at it versus
like a little shiny ship that's flying next to them. So,
I mean, could this potentially be something that is all
linked together where it kind of gets into almost like
this like Elder Race type thing that you know, maybe
there's these different factions of these extraterrestrials that are things

(32:54):
that are so ancient that their technology is just based differently.
You know, it's not mechanically based. It's like we've made
reference to the whole thing with Egypt about like them
being able to possibly have the same type of technology
but using rock as like the base for it. I mean,
could there be a link between all of this. Could
we be starting to kind of notice like a new
faction that clearly likes to be stealthy and that's why

(33:16):
they kind of hide their objects under rocks. I mean,
I know I kind of have a main theory on this,
but this is just something that I kind of started
spinning around in my head when you made reference to
even the light by the way, because that's what the
other thing I want to make reference to. Apparently they're
starting to notice that this thirty one atlass is actually
producing light coming back, so they're saying that it's shining
brighter than an object normally would at its spot. So

(33:39):
in their act I think they've actually made reference to
the fact that it almost looks like a blueish whitish light.
So again, maybe another weird link or correlation, but that's
what connected that dot in my head is that I
just heard today that thirty one Atlas is producing some
type of like light that seems to be like a
bluish white spectrum.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Possibly. Well, and what popped into my head while you
were just talking about all that was, you know, we
talked about well, we've mentioned it a lot of times,
but I think most recently in our Airship Mystery Phenomenon
episode how a lot of times these UFO crafts historically

(34:16):
have appeared to be like slightly ahead of the technology
that human beings had, Like it was advanced for what
we have, but like not so advanced that we couldn't
like wrap our minds around it. If you know, there
is the super intelligent, super advanced civilizations coming to visit,
it would make sense to me that it probably would
be some shit that we can't even wrap our heads around.

(34:38):
And yeah, maybe it does appear to be something much
more ancient and natural than you know, the space man
and his spaceship, you know. So I think that's kind
of an interesting avenue to look down to.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Is it's almost kind of Lovecraftian because he kind of
makes reference to these like elder gods, of these elder beings,
but he talks about him like aliens, but he refers
to him as like these ancient beings that kind of
function with stuff like this, you know, Like it kind
of reminds me of like the Lovecraft idea of like
extraterrestrials a little bit, you know, like the ancient one
type of idea.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, I mean if this, you know, if this stuff
is real, quote unquote, it's probably gonna be just something
that we can't even fucking fathom, not just you know,
this kind of advanced spaceship.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So I mean even just another weird thing to think about.
I mean, we make reference to their being, these beings
that could possibly be like energy based, that they're not
like physical form based. So is it potentially possible that
if you have like, uh, what appears to us as
like a rock, but these energy forms are able to
put themselves inside of that you know, to anybody that
looks at it under radar anything, it just looks like

(35:41):
a rock, but you know their energy because their energy
beings they could potentially like shift and move these things.
So just another kind of weird thing to think about,
and again kind of a reference I was kind of
thinking about from the Color Out of Space HPO love Craft,
since we're talking about it. You know, these like energy
things that are just kind of existing within a rock
and they're conscious, but not in a way that we
can describe, because it's something that didn't evolve in the

(36:02):
same space that we did, so it had to adapt
and develop differently, or they've advanced past the point of
being physical, like we kind of make reference to on
the show sometimes.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, I mean I think there's definitely a kind of
elemental old God connection to UFOs and even the Fay
and things like that that you could get into with
all that. So yeah, I think you're definitely onto something there.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I want to kind of dive in maybe some more
and see if I can find some more references of
these UFOs that are kind of like rock based, because
I haven't heard a lot of people talk about like
this in particular, like in the aspect that we are.
So I wonder if we could potentially make some more
tiesing connections to some type of like extraterrestrial like rock
UFO type of phenomenon, or like solid object type of phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, no, I think that would be definitely interesting. And
you can include Joe Dart and his space turns in it.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I got to make a couple sondboard clips
of that.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
At least it's a.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Goddamn space surd.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Hold that thought.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
We'll be right back after this brief commercial break.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
And we are back to the show. Let's hop right in,
all right, so we're gonna jump back into the theories
about the meteor and so kind of recapping the idea
that it was a meteor that crashed is kind of
inconsistent with a lot of eyewitness accounts Yestely. Eyewitnesses also

(37:32):
reported seeing men wearing like protective radiation suits leaving the woods,
and people also reported seeing them carrying like this wooden
box that was approximately five feet by five feet, and
this has led people to speculate that they could have
recovered some sort of alien corpse at the scene of

(37:52):
the crash. And keep that in mind here again in
the second. So finally, the last thing I want to
talk about here with the meteorite theory is there's an
article that appeared in the Greenberg Tribune Review and they
claimed that quote, absolutely nothing was discovered at the crash site,

(38:13):
which seems kind of weird to me. If it was
truly just a meteorite, well, and you'd be like, yeah,
it was a meteorite. They've fucking found a meteorite at
the crash site. You know.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
It's like a kid when they get in trouble. They're like,
we weren't even there. What are you talking about? Like,
I saw you there. We were fucking there. What are
you talking about?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, so there's nothing to see here, Like totally contradicts
their theory about it being just a meteorite. But anyway,
I thought that was kind of funny. Man.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
They should have been wearing a camo instead of those
radiation suits and then maybe they could have just who,
nothing to see here, We're not here.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
All right. So this is gonna kind of touch on
some things they've already talked about. But another popular theory
is that the object was some sort of satellite, and
this theory is supported by the fact that. In December
of two thousand and five, so like the anniversary of
the crash, NASA released a statement claiming that after reanalyzing debris.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, I just laugh every time I hear NASA, because
it's got to the point now where it's like every
NASA video you can see that the hair is stuck
up and you can see the wires. So it's like,
I don't believe what fucking word from NASA at this point.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Well, this isn't gonna change your mind. So NASA released
a statement claiming that they had reanalyzed the debris from
the crash and experts had concluded that it was an
object that was a Soviet satellite known as Cosmos ninety six.
Are you sure about that? Well, they weren't even sure
about it. That's what's interesting is allegedly NASA's initial reports

(39:43):
pertaining to the Kecksburg crash were lost quote unquote sometime
in the late nineteen eighties.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Kind of sounds like the l lunar landing, right. We
lost all the footage a little bit besides the stuff
that was on the news. So the only stuff that
you can see is stuff that we got from the
news because we're fucking NASA and it's all fucking lost.
We lost everything from that mission never never existed, nothing
to see here.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
We were never there.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Oh wait, no, we were there, because that's the conspiracies
that we weren't there. So we were there. Don't question us.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
We were there, but there's no proof, just like it
was a meteor but there's no proof. Trust the science.
We were there. So in an effort to recover these
missing files, there's this investigative journalist named Leslie Keene, and
she sued NASA under the Freedom of Information Act, and
she ultimately.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
The Freedom of Information Act. Like I just imagine that
every time they see that, it feels like Scooby Doo,
you know, like those metaling away with it, that goddamn
Freedom of Information Act.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So this Leslie Keene, she discovered that quote documents released
through the Freedom of Information Act and a contact at
Johnson's Space Center in Houston had ruled out the Russian
satellite theory because Cosmos ninety six had in fact come
down over Canada on the same day as the UFO

(41:03):
siding in Keckt.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
They were trying to just stick it under the radar,
Like which crash was it?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
You don't know. So there's a lot to unpack there.
Do you have any thoughts on that quote?

Speaker 3 (41:12):
I know that just sounds like my typical motif that
I'm always saying that they're just trying to fly shit
under the radar. I mean, you got one crash, You're like, yep,
it must have been that. Who cares that it was
way fucking north? Like, it must have been the same object? Man,
it's split.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Something happened, all right.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So there's another kind of similar theory, and this one
comes from a moof on investigation and move on to
me at this point's only slightly more credible than NASA.
But anyway, they concluded that the object was a General
Electric Mark two re entry vehicle that had been launched
by the Air Force as a spy satellite but fell
out of orbit. So do you have anything to add

(41:51):
about that flibbery jibdy nonsense. That's about all I gotta say.
All right, So now now we're going to get into
the fun kind of otherworldly stuff. So according to ufologist
Stan Gordon, who we talked about earlier in the episode,
he's kind of regarded as like the foremost expert on
the Kecksburg incident. But anyway, he said that the military

(42:11):
personnel that arrived at the scene were affiliated with the
Air Force six hundred and twenty second Radar Squadron based
out of Pittsburgh, and he speculates that the crash or
wreckage or whatever you want to call it was initially
taken to Lockborn Air Force Base in Columbus, Ohio, before

(42:31):
being transferred to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. That's a
conspiracy man.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
That's all you can think of anytime you hear that.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Pushes all the red flags.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Hey, I got another reference. Let's just be honest. It's
definitely a fucking UFO at this point.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well, funny you say that, because in the nineteen nineties
there was a man named Clifford Stone.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Great names, that's as a solid name.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh, cliff Stone. There Cliff Stone. He was supposedly a
military officer at the time of the incident, and he
claimed that he had seen, quote a top secret document
whose contents stated that an object not from this Earth
had been recovered in Kecksburg and that the incident was
being kept quiet by United States government intelligence. So this

(43:21):
kind of goes hand in hand with you know, the
thing about the documentary and the agents came and told
John Murphy to heavily edit it. And also a lot
of locals and eyewitnesses reported being like encouraged by government
agents to forget about this incident. So just kind of
typical government men in black Shenanigans.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Here. Nothing to see here, people, Yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
You think you saw, you didn't see.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I would love to look up this documentary because if
you take away the root of the story, like I'm curious,
what's left, Like I don't understand what he made a
documentary about, like something weird happened in the woods. The
I can't I can't give any more.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
If an object didn't land in the woods, what is
there to talk about here?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
He was just talking about the recovery mission. It turned
into a firefighter documentary thing. Yeah, there was just there
was a It was a turned into a forest fire
documentary about firefighters. So I mean that's you and only
you got to spend the start prevent meteorites from falling
in the woods.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Anyway. So, also in the nineteen nineties, there's this man
who was identified only as JS, and he came forward
claiming that he had actually seen the crashed object at
Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and this guy allegedly worked
for a brick manufacturing company.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Why does he mean so secretive then, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
But he was supposedly responsible for delivering two special orders
of bricks to the base, and he claimed that while
he was unloading the first order of the bricks, he
saw a large bell shaped object sitting on a flat
bed truck in one of the hangars. So again, and
this is checking a lot of boxes about things that
we've talked about already. But again, this guy came forward

(45:04):
in the nineties, when you know a lot of this
information might have been out there in the public. So
you know, take all this with a grain of salt.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I don't like the fact that he's js he's from
a brick place.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
But anyway, the next day he was supposedly delivering the
second order of bricks, and he said that at this
point there was this scaffolding built around the object, and
he saw men using cutting torches to try to get
inside the object. He also claimed that one of the
workers told or excuse me, told him that the bricks

(45:36):
were being used to build a radiation shield. So here
we've got radiation again. Now again, all this with a
grain of salt. I don't know if this, you know,
radiation information was out there in the public by the
nineties and this guy just latched onto it or not,
but anyway, still kind of interesting. And he also claimed
that this guy told him that he saw some sort

(45:57):
of small body covered with a sheet, which which gets
back to you know, these people seeing men in strange
suits carrying this five foot by five foot wooden box
out of the woods. Fuck that.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I've seen enough horror movies, you know. Not to cut
the random mystery object open.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
You're gonna get the black movable bed shit go on here.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, you're gonna have the either the necronomicon type demoniacs,
you know, or on the other side, you're gonna have
the black ooze from X Files and it's just gonna
start taking everybody over, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I mean, either way, whatever's in there, you probably don't
want to be fucking around with too much.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Again, I don't know why you'd want to cut any
of these objects open, you know, like watch it from
a distance, like see if it opens on its own.
But the second you cut that open, man, there's too many,
too many horror movies that start that way.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I mean, even if it's space poo, you don't really
want to cut into that either.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, definitely not. I think we also learned this from
the thing that even if it's ice, just don't fucking
cut into it if there's something weird in it.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Sit tight, guys. We gotta pay some bills and now
back to the show. All right, So this is the
part where things get really fun, and I think you're
going to have a lot to add to this section, Shane. So,

(47:15):
according to eyewitness descriptions, obviously, as we've talked about in
you know, past episodes.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's all you get is eyewitness because all the documentations destroyed.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
The Kesburg UFO is very similar to an alleged Nazi
craft known as the bell or die Glock in German,
and it was called the bell because it was like
vaguely bell shaped, kind of similar to like the acorn
shaped object describing Kecksburg.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Just for the fun of it, I'm going to bring
it up on screen so that the listeners are trying
to compare some of this stuff. So here is supposedly
some renditions of the hit of the Nazi bell. This
one specifically was how I was referenced and now let's
go back to Kexsburg so you guys can see what
exactly we're dealing with as a as a side by side.
Definitely seems very very very close in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, yeah, very similar in general shape.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Even down to the symbols being down here, just a
little bit closer of a reference too.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
So this Nazi bell was said to possess anti gravity
capabilities and supposedly it was even able to alter the
fabric of space time. So basically this thing is supposed
to be like a time machine.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
And also, to throw this into because we covered it
when I was doing the Continued Nazi Experiments episode, there
was that major crash UFO crash that happened in Germany
that spark this, So it seemed like the whole controversy
with the diglock came after that UFO crash, So just
to kind of correlate some stuff with the more conspiratorial people,
definitely seems like it's possible that the Nazis could have

(48:47):
reverse engineered some technology and they may have had some
additional help if they were diving into the occult stuff,
because there clearly is some ties between that with some
of this extraterrestrial phenomenon. So I mean, I feel like
they could have been a way ahead of their time.
And that's also operation paper clip. You know, Nazi scientists.
Typically you'd want to take them all out, you know,
line them up against a wall and shoot them all,
but instead they picked I picked that, when I picked that,

(49:08):
when I picked that one, because clearly they were more
advanced than everybody else at the.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Time, and how did they get all that? But posting
a crash jumping back in, this object of the bell
was supposed to be approximately twelve feet tall and nine
feet in diameter, so kind of, you know, same general
proportions as what was reported in Kecksburg. Allegedly, the bell,

(49:33):
kind of like you alluded to, was developed in the
forties as part of the Nazi Wonder Weapons program, which
again has a lot of occult ties to it, and
it was said to be powered by quote too high
speed counter rotating cylinders filled with a purplish liquid, metallic
looking substance that was supposed to be highly radioactive code

(49:57):
named Zerom five to five. So you've got kind of
this purplish liquid kind of similar to like the blue lights,
and it's highly radioactive so again just some kind of
weird connections there to what people at Kecksburg reported.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Not to mention also that I don't know if you
make reference to you might at some point during here,
but supposedly they made reference to the Nazi bell also
having hieroglyphics around the bottom of it.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yes, yeah, I didn't specifically mention that, but yeah, you
are absolutely correct about that.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
And as most typical conspiracies, and I'm sure that you'll
probably lead into this a bit. And you know, as
far as we know, quote it was never recovered, never found,
So I mean take that for what you will that
either it was taken when they were playing I Pick
you with the scientist or somebody disappeared with this thing.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, we're gonna touch on that here a little bit
in a second. But anyway, so there's this abandoned mine
in Germany and it's home to this like strange concrete
ring known as the Hinge. And I'm sure a lot
of people have seen, you know, pictures of this thing
on ancient alien Actually, uh, Shane, it's it's the picture

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right underneath the one that you've got kind of highlighted
that no one down down right here, one over. Yep,
there you go. So it's kind of like this just
concrete frame thing. Again, it's known as the hinge, and
it's been suggested that this concrete structure was used to
kind of secure the bell during testing, but you know,

(51:25):
other people have suggested that it's just kind of like
the remains of this industrial cooling tower. So I mean
there's you know, a couple of different ways you could
go with that. I mean, it kind of totally makes
sense that it could be this weird thing, but it
could also be something very mundane.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I mean on the flip side too, from a lot
of conspiracy with that of course, with a lot of
this old Nazi stuff. But supposedly there are actual pictures
of this thing being tested, but you know, people claim
their ai, they claim they're a hoax. I mean, definitely possible.
But you know a lot of those pictures supposedly came
from like the deep deep Web, so I mean there
could possibly be some validity to it. I mean, take

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it for what it is. I know that some of
those pictures were popping up like when the Internet was
first really starting to come up, so I feel like
it was before people were really able to manipulate things
with AI, so there might potentially be something to some
of those photos, and that would also be why you
can't find him anywhere besides on the deep Web.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, And that's a good segue into
kind of our next little sub section here. So, like
you said, rumors of this Nazi bell have circulated for decades,
but the concept was really popularized by a Polish author
named Igor with Kowski, and he wrote a book called
The Truth about the Wonder Weapons. And in this book

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he claims that he discovered information about the bell through
declassified documents that were in the possession of the Polish government.
And I just kind of had to throw this in
here for fun. Allegedly Warner von Braun, who we talk
about all the time on the show, was also implicated
in these documents.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
So take that for you, know what you will. I mean,
I'm gonna throw this out too. Whether you believe this
is a conspiracy or not, the Nazis clearly had an
interest in producing some of these wonder weapons, So yeah,
whether it worked or not, I definitely think that they
were attempting to build something like this. So those pictures
that I reference on the deep Web all that stuff.
I'm sure that some variation of this object existed. Whether

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it was able to do as they claim is the conspiracy.
But I think that no matter what, they were definitely
probably working on an object like this.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it's something I had a little bit
later in the notes, but I'll go ahead and throw
it in here.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
A lot of people say that this thing is either
a hoax or at least like this wild exaggeration. But
like you said, I mean, it's very much in the
realm of possibility and believability that the Nazis were trying
to manufacture something like this. But I mean, did they
achieve anti gravity time travel? I mean that's up for debate,

(53:55):
But I mean not much of a stretch for me
to think that they were trying to do something like that,
you know.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I mean even kind of combining like I guess you
would say, like new age technology with like old world concepts.
I mean, no denying that the Nazis were going around
and collecting all of these like occult texts at age documents.
They were doing all this stuff, so if they were
looking on looking at it from a different perspective, under
a different lens of taking this old information and viewing
it under like modern day interpretation. I mean, they definitely

(54:23):
could have unlocked some stuff with this because they may
have looked at it from a different perspective. You know
a lot of this stuff, I mean you talk about
how it's kind of written eclectically, so it's not gonna
be written like here's how you produce this technology, here's
a step by step. It's going to be hidden within
weird descriptions of things. So if you're able to figure
out that codex, I mean, who potentially knows what could
possibly be in these old documents. Not to mention again,

(54:44):
they were rating documents that people didn't even know existed,
So who knows what they could have potentially got their
hands on if they were already taking documents and stealing
things that were already out of the public guy that
people didn't even know existed in the first place.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, I mean, like we said, we know the Nazis
were trying to do things exactly of this nature. So
I mean the only question at that point is how
successful were they.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I mean, they claimed to have supposedly found the arc
of the Ark of the Covenant.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I mean, I don't know how much that's in the
documentary Raiders of the Lost arc Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Funny. I mean, you know, that's how a lot of
this stuff goes. They got to muddy the waters and
make it look ridiculous. But supposedly they had an interest
in that, and they were also I don't know if
they actually supposedly found it or not, but uh, damn it,
I'm forgetting the name of it. The spear, Yeah, you know,
was the what's the.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Name of the spear?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
The sphere of Destiny or something like the Sphere of Destiny.
I was gonna say, it's on the tip of my tongue.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
The sphere that supposedly they used to pierce Jesus when
he was crucified.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And even going into that farther back too. I mean,
you think about it as simply something that's like a
biblical artifact. But on the flip side, you know, there's
a lot of reference to the fact that Jesus was
a real person, whether you believe that he was the
son of God, he was a prophet, or he was
just possibly a normal guy that you know, knew how
to kind of talk to the masses. You know, I

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don't think that there's a question whether or not this
person may have existed, But I mean that being the case,
whether he is the son of God or just a
normal man, you know, whether if he got crucified and
got stabbed by the spear, by this spear, I believe
that that spear exists, whether you believe that it's got
some type of power or it's just a standard spear
that a normal guy got stabbed with, I mean, whatever

(56:24):
context you want to put it into. Like, I don't
think that these biblical objects don't exist, you know. I
think that there's a lot of validity to these objects existing.
It's just a matter of like what's what do they
actually do? You know what I mean, Like are they real?
Do they actually have these powers? Are they simply just objects?
But I think that they do exist, regardless of what

(56:45):
they may potentially be able to do well.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
And that also kind of gets back to ideas of
like intention and manifesting and if like people are putting
this much intention and thought and reverence into these objects
for that and thousands of years, you know, even if
it started off as just a regular spear, at this point,
it's probably a very powerful, you know, otherworldly object, you.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Know, I mean even just talk about the power of
blood and like blood magic, like simply if it had
like a stain of blood on it. From this from Jesus,
you know what I mean? Like who potentially knows the
occult power could be of that?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, no, definitely, So kind of jumping back in this
idea of the Nazi Bell. It was further popularized by
a British author named Nick Cook, and he had a
book that he wrote in two thousand and one called
The Hunt for Zero Point. And in this book, and
this is going to kind of get back to something
you talked about a little bit ago, Cook suggests that

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the Nazi officer Hans Kamler secretly traded either the bell
itself or the secrets of its technology to the US
government in exchange for his freedom operation paper clip. There
you go. So kind of closing out this section, I
found a quote. It's just from Wikipedia, but I thought

(58:06):
I would present it just in its natural form. Quote.
Prisoners from the gross Rosen concentration camp were supposedly exposed
to radiation from die glock, resulting in many deaths and
health problems. Survivors of the camp are alleged to have
reported witnessing tests of die glock reporting a bright bluish

(58:29):
light from the object. So here again we've got blue
lights and radiation.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
And just to throw in something that also possibly combines
in with my continued Nazi experiment theory. If you are
producing these flying devices that clearly have some type of
radioactive principle to them, assumably you're going to try to
find a way to make it so that people, your
own people can safely fly these ships or pilot these ships.

(58:55):
So it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to start
testing on people to if they could potentially like boost
up like their resistance to like nuclear radiation. Possibly because
on top of you know, people receiving or nuclear or
radioactive poisoning from you know, this object working in the area,
I'm sure that there's probably also tests that they were
conducting on these people of making them, you know, in

(59:18):
just certain substances, you know, take this pill, take this
to see.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Like that in the concentration camp. So if you know,
just assuming this was a real object, whatever it was,
and whatever its capabilities, where that just seems par for
the course that they would have done that, you.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Know, and I mean there's a lot of reference to
to that these things need some type of nuclear something
to be able to function, and I mean even connecting
stuff with them with like X files. There's an episode
that they did where they had these you know, reverse
engineered UFOs and they were trying to get normal pilots
to be able to fly these things, and they all
ended up with like radiation poisoning. They end up having
problems where they started going like crazy because the ship

(59:54):
moves so fast that the way their brain had to function, like,
they weren't able to comprehend and do it properly. So again,
it's like you have this continuous reference that you know,
whether it's the media referring to something that's real or
something real referring to the media, whatever way you want
to look at it, the chicken or the egg, Like,
there's clearly a connection that these things require nuclear to

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be able to work. So in turn, if you are
ever going to reverse engineer and have anybody actually fly
these things, you're gonna have to look up some type
of resilience to nuclear or radiation. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
The whole thing with you know, space travel, and we've
got to figure out a way to get through the
Van Allen radiation belt. So like motherfuckers. Didn't y'all do
that in the sixties, Like why do you have to
figure out how to do it now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
So, I mean, clearly it's a very prevalent thing that
you're gonna have to do to fly through space, to
be able to function in space, because I mean even
have the old references to like the Onanaki with the
whole concept that they were coming here to collect gold
so they could block the radiation that they were starting
to get poisoned with. Like, there's this constant thing that
involves extraterrestrial space and radiation that I feel like it's
a necessity that if we're ever going to get into

(01:00:58):
becoming a space veering species, we're definitely gonna have to
find a way to be able to counteract the effects.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Of nuclear radiation. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Hold on tight, guys, this is our last break, So
stay tuned and we are back to the show. Let's
hop right in, and I guess I will take a
minute to say what's up to everybody in the chats.
We appreciate you guys for being here. I think it

(01:01:28):
might just be Riley and crypted tippets, but we definitely
appreciate you guys. Orn will be back in one second.
He just has to collect an allotment. Of course, as
I'm burping, I'm not even drinking. I'm drinking an energy
drink over here, and I'm burping more than him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Don't mind me. I'm having beer burps from an energy
drink over here. I'm not even the one drinking, and
I'm burping to my first beer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
It's not a beer, it's an energy drink.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
All right, you good, yes, sir? Okay, So jumping into
kind of miscellaneous and conclusions. So throughout the years, the
Kecksburg UFO incident has received like widespread media attention. It's
been referred to as Pennsylvania's roswell, and most notably, there

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was a nineteen ninety nine episode of the NBC television
series Unsolved Mysteries that focused on the incident, and replica
of the craft that they built for the episode is
currently on display near the Kecksburg Fire Department. And this is,
you know, the picture that everybody has seen of this thing.
You had it pulled up earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I'll bring it back up just for the sake of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
But basically, if you've heard anything about this story, this
is the mental image that you have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I'm about to bring it up on screen right now, sir,
for the delay, had to bring it back up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
But yeah, this little yeah, the little thing on a
stand here. Yep. So if you're in the Kexsburgh area,
you can stop by the fire department and see this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It looks real stunning, I mean, very high crushing shit.
They didn't even give it like a like a full
fletched sign. They should have at least given it a
little plaque that had like the history that they could say,
you know or something. Yeah, a little billboard that says
nothing to see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Here, all right. So the incident was also the subject
of a nineteen ninety eight documentary titled Kecksburg The Untold Story,
and this was created by Stan Gordon, who again we've
talked about a couple times in the episode. He's considered
to be like the foremost expert on this thing. So
if you guys are going to check out any documentary

(01:03:35):
or anything about this, that's probably a good one to
try to find. There was also a two thousand and
three Sci Fi Channel documentary titled The New Roswell Kexsburg Exposed,
and there was at They're supposed to draw you in.

(01:03:55):
There's also a twenty nineteen film titled Simply Kecksburg, and
this film supposedly dramatizes the story of John Murphy, who
again was the radio station employee who worked on the
the audio documentary and the whole Men in Black aspect
and all that attempted to Yeah, exactly, so I couldn't

(01:04:18):
find this. I actually just searched on the you know,
Roku TV for it. But I think that would be
kind of interesting to see a dramatization of John Murphy's story.
And of course this thing has been featured on all
sorts of television shows, Ancient Aliens, UFO Hunters, not c
UFO Conspiracies, all that good stuff, but like a lot

(01:04:39):
of stuff we talk about on the show, whether it
be cryptids or you know, alien sightings or anything like that.
The town of Kecksburg has like really enthusiastically embraced this legend,
and each July the town hosts the Keksburg Old Fashion
Days and UFO Festival. The town is also home to
the Kexsburg U Faux Store and it's operated out of

(01:05:02):
the local VFW hall and it helps raise funds for
the fire department. And this I thought was kind of funny.
The road located near the original crash site has since
been officially renamed Meteor Road, which trying to control the narrative. Yeah,
didn't find a metior found absolutely nothing, but they named
it Media Road.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
They're trying to be like, check out all this folklore.
But in the back of your mind, subconsciously it's on
meteor Street. So they're trying to place that subconsciously, like
that's definitely some media street.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
That would be stupid. It's media Road, Media Road, media Road.
It sounds like a Mario kart course. Yeah, it really
does in a meteor road. So I mean, kind of concluding,
We've talked about a lot of my thoughts and theories
throughout the episode, but obviously this has a lot of
similarities to things we've talked about on the show. We

(01:05:53):
talked about the Flatwood's monster similarities, we talked about you know,
Operation High Jump, Nazi type stuff. So it kind of
at the end of the day, I'm not gonna go
too long here. I think, you know, obviously something crashed.
It wasn't a meteor. It wasn't you know, they found
absolutely nothing. I think, you know, realistically, the idea that

(01:06:17):
it was like some sort of foreign satellite or something like.
That's probably the most quote unquote likely scenario, but there's
so many strange connections with like the blue lights and
the radiation and all that that I think you really
can't rule out either the extraterrestrial or like the Nazi
you know, Nazee time travel craft possibility. So do you

(01:06:39):
have any kind of thoughts to leave us with on
this one, Shane?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I mean, again, regardless of which we you view it,
there is definitely something that happened. There's a bunch of
stuff that's clearly documented that something weird happened here. The
hard part is just you don't know which direction to
go with it because the object itself is very not
typical UFO lake, but and also has a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Of correlations with UFO.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
So it's like a really really weird one to place
because it carries all of the normal motifs but without
the visual of it, which is where it gets kind
of weird.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
And no like kind of creature was really associated with it,
So likely associated well exactly, but like with flat woods,
you've got a lot of these motifs, but there you know,
this super duper weird strange creature. You get a lot
of that stuff, but not like the smoking gun of
the creature with this one. So I think that's for
me anyway, what kind of cast not doubt, that's not

(01:07:29):
the right word, but makes me think, you know, it
is possible this could have been like a fucking satellite.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I mean, I don't know how much validity there is
to it. I don't even remember where I read this,
so I didn't know exactly where to throw it in,
and I wasn't gonna throw it in at all. But supposedly,
and again take this with a grain of salt because
I can't reference exactly where this comes from. But supposedly
somebody saw two people that look like Nazi officers leave
this ship. So when you get into like the characteristics
of what could have potentially left the ship, you have

(01:07:56):
maybe maybe one person that reference to people like Nazi officers,
which could have definitely been something that just was a
game of telephone. To kind of further the diglock idea,
or I mean, maybe there is straight up extraterrestrials that
were hidden in this in this box, because why else
would they have carried out a body in a box
like normally when they remove a body from a scene
like this, you know, if it's something maybe contaminated, they'll

(01:08:18):
put it in one of those bags, they'll zip it up,
they'll carry it out like that on a stretcher, Like
it's just a weird motif to carry it out in
a wooden box, especially if they're already out there testing
things with you know, Geiger counters all of that type
of stuff. Like they were clearly trying to hide whatever
that thing was in the box and five to five
I mean typical kind of I guess kind of human size.
And they also made reference to there being something else

(01:08:40):
under the sheet. So it's like where were you don't
know where exactly to place the extraterrestrial with this thing,
because you got one reference to people, you got one
to a box, and then you got one where they
looks like they cut the thing open and had another one.
So either there's two things or people are just really
mixing up the stories on what could have potentially came
out of this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Well, and yeah, what I was just going to add
in from a lot of the eyewitness accounts, this craft
or object, whatever you want to call it, wasn't very big,
you know, It's not like you could have fit a
couple of full size Nazis in there, you know. So
I mean, if there was anything in it, it would
have been some sort of smaller gray type entity. So

(01:09:19):
I mean, I think that's another interesting aspect. I didn't
specifically throw it in anywhere, but like, yeah, this is
not a very large object. So I think that kind
of is a feather in the cap of it not
being an extraterrestrial craft as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I mean, what if it was some type of a uh,
whether it's extraterrestrial, human related whatever, what if it was
some type of like a like a skate pod. Possibly, Yeah,
so midd almost use like an escapeboard, you know, especially
with the thousand miles an hour just straight propulsion into
the ground, like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
But it wasn't a straight propulsion into the ground. It
made several abrupt changes and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
You're right, But yeah, I mean definitely kind of think
that's a great point going on to the idea of
possibly like some form of like an escape pod, whether
it's you know, some type of other government technology escape
pod or even getting in the extraterrestrial theory. I mean,
because assumably again you have to kind of correlate like
our thoughts with these things, like if there are way
more advanced than us, you, like I've mentioned with the

(01:10:14):
drone thing, you got to assume that these things are
using drones because that's where we're progressing too. And it's
been we wanted an escape plan since the beginning, like literally,
these things fucking crash, So it seems like it's completely
ridiculous to not think that there's probably some type of
escape pod or something for any of these extraterrestrial flying devices.
And maybe this is one of the few references we
actually have to one actually being used.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think
the whole escape pod theory is interesting because where I
land on this kind of like I said, if it
is an extraterrestrial otherworldly craft, to me, it's pretty clearly
not what we typically think of as like a UFO

(01:10:56):
or an alien ship or anything like that. So if
it is, like you said, in escape pod, that would
make a lot of sense to me, and could also
tie into the object that you know, they supposedly found
in Canada the same day. Maybe that was another escape
pod so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Or maybe that was the main ship itself and that
was a whole other cover up in the escape pod
ended up you know a little bit more south. I mean,
because my assumption is if an escape pod gets used,
there has to be another crash somewhere for the actual
object itself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
So I mean, unless something crashed but they found absolutely nothing,
that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
I mean, absolutely nothing nothing to here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
People, all right, But on that note, that's basically all
I've got for this one. I think it was, you know,
beyond time that we covered this subject. We've talked about it,
you know, so many times on different episodes, so it's
kind of fun to actually dig into this one and
go a little below the surface and just the you know,

(01:11:53):
hieroglyphics and you know, just the very surface level things
that we've talked about on this one. But anyway, that's
all I got on it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
I was just super waiting for an excuse to be
able to actually talk about this thing in connection with
the Diglocks. So thank you for actually like setting me
up to actually be able to do it properly instead
of just kind of making reference amongst a million different episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
So well, hey, now next time we want to talk
about Diglock, we can just reference this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
That's true, and again, it continues on with pulling this
thread of they're also being this human correlation with the phenomenon,
and it seems like, dude, like nobody talks about that,
Like everybody wants it to be extraterrestrial. So maybe they
just kind of throw the idea out of their mind.
But I don't think anybody else is connecting and hitting
like the whole human aspect of this phenomenon as hard
as we've been lately, I mean, even covering this stuff

(01:12:36):
from Devil's addcate perspective that we mentioned could be UFO,
could be human, but we find we keep finding these
correlations that there are some type of human motif to
a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Well, it's just a lot more fun to think that
it's aliens and not just the fucking government fucking way,
you know. Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
But at the same time, though, I mean, if it's
the government fucking with you, it kind of connects it
a little bit more real world, you know. But like
I said, with a million times the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Plenty of real world the government fucking with us, we
don't need any more fuel for that fire.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Hey. But if we figure out what exactly is them,
then we can actually start separating the phenomenon, because, like
I've mentioned a million times, we're not denying the fact
that there's alien phenomenon. We're just suggesting that they use
the opportunities to fly under the radar to be able
to do other stuff that they want to do. So
I mean, if we actually start talking about it, we
bring it up, then you know, maybe we can actually
start making these deciding factors of like yep, this is

(01:13:24):
clearly human and yep, this is clearly something extraterrestrial, because
I mean, somebody has to start kind of checking the
boxes to kind of come up in an idea for
the phenomenon, you know, And like I said, not a
lot of people are throwing that theory, so I mean
we're running with it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Well. Hey, like I always say, two things can be
true at the same time, very true. All right, guys.
On that note, thank you for joining us tonight, Shane.
If anybody out there wants to get up with us
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disconcert credits available and you guys can find more information
on that down in the show notes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And as always, all this shit we've mentioned is in
the link tree and the show description.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
And with that just like we tend to do on
the show, and like we always tend to overkill with,
and like Orn made mentioned to, we are taking over
the name always always just like us, Stay Bizarre, Bizarre,
Bizarre Space turns.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
What the hell is even that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Stand start affects to

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Make

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