#127 Lydia The Phantom Hitchhiker

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any of it, and then looked out and there was
this big, red, blinking UFO. I can just say this,
something's going on in the woods.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Something's going on.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
They're not dogs, they're not coyotes. What could it be?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I had an encounter with a skunk cap and it
completely altered the course of my life. I got a
call on building.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
What about saying.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Sightings of a UFO covering.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Over a barn. Really woke up from a dream.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
And when I went into the bedroom, she said, there's
a monk there on the wall.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a barbed
wire fence that they were able to obtain cares. They
sent the hairs to their lab and it came back
as an online creature creatures shoy o.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
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I apologize.

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That was wrong, and I won't do it again. Somebody
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Considering that with this one's more of a Halloween episode,
I figured that you got rejected today on your moans
my I'm sorry, my friend. You get Alex Sean screaming
at every buddy saying this is a family show instead.
So yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Wondering where we were going with that. We started off
pretty risk gay, but then you brought it back around.
So this is a family show. As all of our
longtime listeners will know, we don't ever talk about anything
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We keep that for the after Dark show absolutely, and
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that we are not humorous at all. You know, we're
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(02:52):
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Can get and not beating up on us too much
when it was really funny, I didn't read who was
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and then I realized it was from Kelly, and the
wrap up kind of made it worth it.

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So well, Hey, like we said, one star reviews and
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That's good enough for me.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Always good enough for me. Thank you again, Kelly, And
moving into the more pressing matters, of course, I put
out a post on TikTok trying to get people to
call in for it and hopefully we get some. It
hasn't had October yet, so I'm not really expecting too
much until October, but hopefully we can at least get
ten of them. We want to put together our Halloween Special,
and for the Halloween Special, we're going to be going

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over some cool Halloween stories and part of that, of course,
is that we would love to have some of your
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(04:20):
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Speaker 1 (04:39):
Get, scary robot voices only.

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but if not, I'll say it twice. The number again
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(05:15):
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And we are planning on hopefully keeping up with Halloween
for the entire month. We're recording this I believe the
last week of September, but this will be the first
week of October, so this is the start of our
Halloween specials today. So that's fun and exciting, I guess.
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Speaker 3 (07:24):
And getting into today's episode, As I mentioned, it is
the first start of our Halloween series as we're slowly
building up to Halloween. And if I'm not mistaken, I
think today we might be getting into some ghosty stuff.
If I'm not mistaken, correct, Oran, that is true. That's
about to me me as soon as the show starts up.

(07:44):
I'm really scared. I'm a scared, Oran. What are we
getting into today?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Okay, So, like you said, Shane, this is gonna kind
of ease us into a spooky season here. I'm going
to tell a ghost story and I haven't done anything
from North Carolina in a while, so I'm gonna kill
a two one stone here. So unless you got anything else,
we will start talking about Lydia, the hitch hiking ghost.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Let's hope, right in. Man, I'm excited for this one,
all right. It's been a while since we've touched paranormal.
Just to throw that one in there. I like, we've
been doing really really hard on aliens and cryptids for
a while, even more so aliens lately, So it's been
a hot minute since we've touched anything paranormal.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, and it's the season for it, so we might
as well, right.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, I said, we do have some factions of listeners
that their personal favorite is paranormal, so every once in
a while we got to throw one in.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, this is for you guys, all right. Anyway, So,
the legend of Lydia the hitch hiking Ghost is arguably
like the most famous and well known ghost story in
North Carolina folklore. And the legend dates back like at
least to the nineteen twenties, And it originated in a
small town called Jamestown, North Carolina. And this is located

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in Guildford County, so kind of near the cities of
Greensboro and high Point for anybody that's familiar with that area.
And the legend goes a little something like this. So
on a foggy and rainy night in the spring of
nineteen twenty three, a young woman named Lydia was attending
a school dance with her boyfriend. And after they danced

(09:12):
and socialized like late into the night, Lydia suddenly realized
that it was almost her curfew, so her and her
boyfriend suddenly left the dance. They were like tearing down
this narrow curvy section of a road called high Point Road.
Well as they were driving, her boyfriend lost control of
the vehicle to skid up, and it skidded off the

(09:35):
road and crashed into a Southern Railroad underpass bridge, and
allegedly this instantly killed Lydia's boyfriend, but she was somehow
able to like drag herself back to the side of
the road. However, none of the passing cars would stop
and help Lydia, and she died there lying next to

(09:56):
the side of the road by the bridge.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
That's a very traumatic I feel like a lot of
these ghost stories are pretty brutal, Like this woman just
dragged herself like half dead and mangled on the side
of the road and nobody would stop and help. Like
these stories are so decrepit.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Man, Well, it was like the nineteen twenties, so you know,
they weren't wearing seat belts.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Dude, in the nineteen twenties, I thought. Back in those days,
people actually got out and help people. It's not twenty
twenty five where you see somebody half bloody on the
side of the road and you assume that somebody's gonna
try to jump you. Like back then, people help people.
Like what happened.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Well, that's gonna play into some other versions of the
story we're gonna talk about later.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well, I'm excited to get into it, to hear all
the different variations of the story, because I'm assuming, like
a lot of these ghost stories that are very localized,
there's always these different variations of them, but the common
motif stays the same. But like the events leading up
are always different and they get more brutal as time
goes on.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, we'll just have to see.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
We apologize, guys for the interference, but we will be
right back now, back to the show, all right.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
So, in another version of the legend, Lydia was driving
home to High Point after attending a dance in Raleigh,
which is of course where I live for all of
our longtime listeners, and her car broke down, and fearing
that her mother would be worried about her, she left
her car on the side of the road and started
walking home. According to this version of the legend, she

(11:27):
was struck and killed by a passing driver, and her
like kind of restless spirit has been trying to return
home ever since. Some of the other details, some of
the other details that very depending on which version of
the legend you hear, include like in some versions, Lydia

(11:47):
appears only on the anniversary of her death, and other
versions she can appear on any cold and rainy night.
In some versions of the story, she was attending a
New Year's Eve party instead of like a school or
community dance. In some versions, it says that her car
like crashed into another car rather than into the bridge,

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and that both Lydia and her boyfriend instantly were killed.
In some versions, she's covered in blood, which might play
into a story we're gonna talk about later. And in
other versions she appears like mostly unharmed. And this is
kind of a small detail, but I figured i'd throw
it in. Like the street address also changes wildly depending

(12:31):
on which version of the story, if it's mentioned at all.
In some versions it's Johnson or wood Leaf or Maple
or Walnut or even Centennial.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Streets just out of curiosity, and you might bring it
up farther in the notes. With a lot of these stories,
of course, there's like a route to them. We're able
to find any like route to this one to see
like kind of where it all kind of we're going to.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Get into a lot of that stuff in theories. So
all of that kind of stuff I kind of put
toward the back of the episode.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I always expect with any of these local ghost stories,
there's always some root of it and then there's like
a million different variations.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Anything, right, all right, So now we're going to talk
about some of the actual sightings of Lydia, Like this
was kind of just like the broad strokes and the
details of the legend.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
But sorry to throw some Scooby doing.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, you know, I love Scooby Dude.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's the ghost anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So sightings of Lydia have been reported across several decades,
and one of the most famous reports happened sometime in
the early nineteen fifties and a man named Burke Hardison
was driving through Jamestown after visiting friends in Raleigh, and
it was a rainy night, of course, and when he

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was going near the underpass bridge, he noticed a young
woman in a white dress standing on the side of
the road.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
That was the noise she was making from undread probably
exactly what on the side of the road.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So he pulled over and was going to offer this
young woman a ride, and she got in the car,
but she kind of seemed scared and remained largely silent
as they drove toward high point. Hardison kept trying to
make conversation with her, but all the young women kept
saying was that she needed to get home before her

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mother started to worry about her. So also kind of
similar to one of the legends we talked about earlier.
So finally, as they were driving, this young woman pointed
out a house and said that that was where she lived.
So Hardison pulled into the driveway and he got out
of the car to open the car door for the
young woman. But by the time he made it around

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to the other side of the car, she had mysteriously vanished. Dun, dun, dunn,
And that's probably the noise she made.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
No she made this noise, Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
So anyway, Hardison like approached the house and knocked on
the door, and an old woman answered the door, and
he went on to of explain what had just happened
to him in this like freaky encounter and disappearance that
he experienced, and the old woman told him that this
young woman was actually the ghost of her daughter, Lydia,

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who had died in a car accident like some thirty
years earlier. So the old woman also said that throughout
the years, like countless other people had encountered Lydia and
tried to bring her back home. So this is a
shop and I'm so fucking scared right now.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, that's what he said to the lady once she said,
my daughter's dead, What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Pretty much? So, yeah, the old woman basically said that,
like this is something that happened routinely throughout the years.
So moving on to another story.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
By the way, just to throw this one in there, Yeah,
go ahead, this story. Is this, like, at least from
your research, is this another one of those folklory stories
with like the lady answering the door or was there
Did you find anything that was solid about this woman
actually answering the door to bring like some validity into
the fact that there might be an apparition in the area.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Nothing too much about like the lady who answers the door.
That is like a common motif and some of the
later sightings and the retellings. But it's not really like
a big aspect of the story that I came across, So.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's kind of just probably part of the folklore that
kind of threw into its.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Kind of like a minor detail in the story.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Try to make it more sound more real because obviously
a lot of these stories, the main reason they get
tossed around is a lot of teenagers talking about scary
spots to go to, all this type of stuff. So
of course the story's gonna change as time goes on
because people are gonna try to make it more Yeah, exactly,
They're gonna try to add more validity to it by
adding these little minor details like oh, there was the
ghost woman, and now there's a woman that answers the

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door that says that that was her daughter, like just
another step and trying to make it sound more more realistic.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
No, so I think supposedly, quote unquote, like the old
woman who answers the door as like a real person.
She's not like a ghost or anything.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Double the story up. At a certain point, maybe she
does turn into a ghost. The ghost you're the one
with double ghosts here. Now it's like ghost on ghost inception.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Coosception there go ghost squared. All right, So we're gonna
move on to our next account. And this one happened
in nineteen sixty six. So a man named Frank Faye
was driving from Greensboro to high Point with his wife
and another couple and as they approached the underpass bridge
on high Point Road, the couple saw a young woman

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in a white dress attempting to flag down the car
in front of them. Well, the car in front of
them didn't stop, but Frank Fay slowed down because he
was like intending to stop and give this young woman
a ride.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
At least somebody had some courtesy back then. It took
the sixties for people to have some courtesy apparently.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
So by the time they arrived at the bridge where
the young woman was standing, she again had mysteriously vanished.
So Frank was like startled by this disappearance, and he asked,
excuse me, ask his wife and the other couple if
they had seen this apparition, young woman, whatever you want
to call it, and they confirmed that they did. So,

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you know, take all these with the grain of salt,
But apparently four people could corroborate this encounter or siding,
or experience, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
See for me, at least with a lot of these
urban legends, I don't think that the expansion of the
urban legend necessarily takes away from the root of whatever
it was that being said, Like if there is a
ghost in an area. Of course, there's gonna be a
million different stories for it. So if it makes sense
what I'm trying to say, like, the more that gets
added to a ghost story doesn't take away validity to me.

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It kind of just either one shows that there is
maybe something in the area that's unexplained, or on the
other side, maybe it is a bunch of build up.
But if you can find like a root to these
things and people are seeing ghosts, I mean it is
gonna be expected, they're going to people are gonna make
up their own variations of these ghost stories. Like, it
doesn't take away the validity to me. It still still
might mean that there's something in the area. You just
kind of have to pay attention to this specific area

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where people are saying the sightings, because if it's all
over town, of course people are just kind of throwing
their two cents in. But if people are always reporting
seeing something weird in one spot, maybe there is something there.
And again it's just a matter of retelling stories a
million times, but maybe there is still something there.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean, like we talk about in cryptid sightings
and stories or even like Native American folklore, but how
many times on the show. Have we said in all
these type of high strangeness encounters or stories or folk lore,
there's some nugget of truth in there somewhere, and you know,
whether it be a wind to go story that you know,

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this is some cautionary tale, or it be one of
these kind of urban legends. It's just like a fun
ghost story to tell, you know, Like you said, that
doesn't take away the validity in my opinion, and I
think any of these type of stories that get passed
down through decades. I mean, there's a reason those stories
stick in the public consciousness and people keep repeating them,

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and it's probably because one they're there is some nugget
of truth there and to it just strikes some sort
of cord with people. Whether that be some sort of
like you know, Freudian Jungian archetype type thing or whatever,
I don't know, but it's kind of interesting, you know,
the how prolific a lot of these type of stories are.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
And I mean, just to continue off of that thought too,
like a lot of these like Native American stories or
even like you know, South American stories talking about these
like women on the side of the road. Of course,
it was originally always on the side of a river
and now it's kind of changed to the side of
a road. But I mean that still kind of makes
sense because of you know, the river was the road
that everybody traveled. That was the way you got around.
You followed the river around. Now it just switched to

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everybody follows the road. So you're still having the same
type of events in the same location and getting into
like the more paranormal aspect of things. People talk about
residual hauntings or like these ruts, or like traumatic events.
And I mean, if there's a road that people are
always on, a place that people always are and there's
always thought and intention and energy being put into that area,

(20:57):
I mean, it seems like it just kind of shit
where it's the same phenomenon. It's just that we've changed
from rivers to road just because of that being the
road that's traveled now.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Well not only that, I mean, how many times on
the show have we talked about bodies of water being
kind of these liminal spaces where strange activity tends to happen.
And I didn't specifically put this in the notes, but
it was just kind of a mental note I had,
you know, this sighting is based around a railroad underpass bridge.
And how many times have we talked about like railroads

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being liminal spaces and connected with you know, high strangeness
activity and UFO sidey, you name it. Just any kind
of weird stuff seems to happen in these areas. So,
like you said, whether it be rivers, bodies of water,
or in this case, railroads, you know, it's kind of
two sides of the same coin at that point.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean, just to throw it into you also have
the aspect of a bridge, and it seems like bridges
are also liminal spaces because how many stories are there
of things under bridges and I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, like trolls under bridges and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Just the whole idea of like passing from one area
into another. I mean, there's like a whole occult concept
behind that, even like walking into another door. It's like
get any entry into a new area. And if people
have thought an attention on it, could it be possible
that these you know, places like bridges or doorways, whatever
could essentially become like a portal to some extent or
like a thin area of the veil. Because of so
much thought and projection on you're passing through a liminal space.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Thought and projection. Keep that on the back burner. We're
gonna circle around to that type of stuff here in
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
You know, I always get ahead of myself. That's my job.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
All right, guys, we got to take another break. We'll
be right back. And now we're getting back to the bazarre.
All right. So the last kind of story or encounter
that we're gonna talk about tonight happened in nineteen seventy six,

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and it happened to two men named Tom Beasley and
Rick Cook. And they were once again driving along High
Point Road on a rainy night, and as they approached
the underpass bridge, Beasley saw a young woman in a
white dress standing on the side of the road. Well,
he continued driving, but as he was driving, he asked
Cook if he had also seen the woman, and he

(23:17):
replied that he had not, So at that point Beasley
turned around the car and went back to the bridge,
and then both men saw this woman standing there kind
of like in the gravel next to the bridge. So
Cook rolled down his window and he was intending to
ask the young woman if she needed help or needed
a ride or anything like that. But at this point,

(23:38):
they both noticed that she was covered in blood. And
remember when we were talking about some of the variations
in the legend earlier, you know, sometimes she appears largely unharmed.
Sometimes she appears covered in blood. This is one of
those cases. So Cook, this like totally freaked him out,
and so he rolled up his window and he implored

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Beasley to quote just out of here. So they drove away.
And according to this story, these two guys were not
aware of this legend of Lydia the hitchhiking ghost at
the time, and they only learned about it a few
days later when they were like telling some friends about
this encounter they had. So, I mean, take that one

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with a grain of salt. If these were like local guys,
you would think that they would be at least kind
of familiar with the story. But anyway, that's what the
research that I went into said. So or I mean,
maybe they just weren't paying attention.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I don't know what else to say about it. That's
also definitely possible too, because I feel like there's a
lot of these local stories that it's like you think
that everybody in the area know them, but they're like
kind of specific to like a certain group of people
like this sounds weird, but if you didn't go to
high school in the area, you know, it seems like
a lot of the time these local ghost stories don't
end up becoming that talked about realistically unless you're in
the right circle. You know.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well, and this was the seventies, I guess a word
didn't travel quite as quick as it does nowadays.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it feels like a lot of
these uh ghosts lay that resurface are mainly because of
people doing research on the Internet. Like I mean, even
when I did the whole those like us, Yeah, weirdos
like us, Like even when I did the whole like
nine rouge thing for Detroit. I mean, I've lived here
my entire life, and I don't think I've ever actually
heard anybody retelling that story, even though it's like some
of the local folklore of Detroit. So I mean, I

(25:17):
feel like a lot of this stuff unfortunately gets passed
by and talk about a blessing and a curse as
usual the internet.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well yeah, I think that's a good point, and it
kind of gets into the next section. But uh, you know,
just keeping this kind of folklore alive and present and
raising awareness for things like this. But that leads right
into what I'm going to talk about next. So in
a recent interview with Dan Sellers of the Carolina Hanks podcast,

(25:44):
if any of our listeners like this kind of stuff,
I would definitely recommend checking out that podcast. Uh, definitely
if you're in the North Carolina, South Carolina area. He
covers a lot of stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
We can always have it on as a guest too.
I mean that always another person on the last one.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
But anyway, he's got a book where he's compiled a
lot of like the show notes. I've got it right here.
That's where I got a lot of the information for
this episode. So I want to give him a big
shout out. But anyway, recently he did Dan Sellers, that is,
did a interview with Tom Beasley, which again was one
of the young men who had this lydia siding in

(26:22):
nineteen seventy six, And in this interview, Beasley was quoted
as saying, quote, you know, if somebody asked me specifically
about what I saw, would I a thousand percent say
that I saw a ghost? No, Because to me, it
looked like a person standing on the side of the
road by the same token. I'm not saying I didn't
see one. I just wouldn't one thousand percent say that

(26:45):
I did. The only thing I can say was that
it was a damn strange situation. So Beasley was also
asked about an episode of the Destination America television series
Monsters and Mysteries in America that he kind of appeared in,
and according to Beasley, he's said that the episode was

(27:07):
quote really close to end quote like an accurate description, depiction,
what have you of what happened to him? Uh So
this episode is titled Vermont pig Man Bridge Where I Died,
so that would be the lydiest section and Project Stargate
and it's uh we.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Talked about that recently and Bizarre Increase.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And it's a season three episode five if anybody out
there wants to check it out. Like we said, Tom
Beasley said that it was a fairly accurate depiction of
what happened to him.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Do you ever wonder if so local folklore wise, like
you maybe know the area where this uh where this
house was. Maybe it's even your house. You've heard the
whole story about your house. Wirehouse is haunted. Do you
think that there's ever instances where people just stand outside
in a white dress just to troll people. I mean,
you hear about this with like sasquatch and stuff, but
you know, you never really hear about it with the

(28:00):
paranormal stuff, even though I feel like the paranormal stuffould
be a lot easier to fake than a lot of stuff,
because all you need is just a girl standing in
a white dress on the side of the road, and
you're just gonna scare the shit out of people for generation.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Talk about that in theories. But kind of rounding off
this section, Rick Cook, who was the other guy that
was with Tom Beasley that night, he declined to participate
in the filming of this episode of the series, and
when Beasley asked him why, Cook stated quote, man, I
don't know why, but that scared me so bad. Meaning

(28:31):
they're so shot. I'm so fucking scared right now.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
That's what he said.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
That was the direct response, pretty much, and Tom Beasley
also added quote, all these years later, he still thinks
that maybe he just doesn't want to talk about it.
For him to keep silent for this many years, says
what a strong impression it made on him. I mean
that's a long time man, I mean forty years later
and he still has that sensitivity about it.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Especially something paranormal too, because I mean, like I get
it with like sasquatch stuff. You know, people get like
bluff charge dog man stuff. People get bluff charged. The
paranormal stuff where it's in their house, where it's like
massing with their family for years. You know, it's one thing.
But like seeing a ghosts on the side of the road,
I mean, that really must have taken something to shake him.
Because most people, like they're more than happy to tell
those types of stories, especially along Like I feel like

(29:19):
the hitchhiker ghosts is probably the least haboo of a
lot of the ghost stories because that's like the common
trope for like a lot of truckers, like ninety er,
some of the trucker stories you hear about hitchhiking ghosts
for example, you know, well.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And yeah, like you said, what's kind of funny about
it is it wasn't like these guys got attacked by
this ghost. It wasn't like it was living in their
house and like scratching them in their sleep and things
like that. They just kind of had this weird encounter
on the side of the road. But I mean, how
many people have we talked to at this point that
had these weird experiences that just you know, struck them

(29:56):
in a way that seemed broke their paradigm with what
actually happened, you know. So I mean it's kind of
par for the course with things like that. Like, I mean,
I can't remember who we talked to, but I know
we talked to somebody who was just talking about like
the overwhelming sense of fear they had with I can't

(30:16):
even remember what encounter it was at this point, but
you know that's something we hear time and time again.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, I mean, if it's one of those things that
kind of shattered their paradigm, Like it doesn't matter how
big or how small it is, Like if somebody thinks
the world works one way and then they see something
that breaks away from that, I mean, yeah, it can
permanently kind of mess people up. That's what you know
a lot of people say with the whole disclosure thing,
is it's gonna like mentally mess people up. But also
playing devil's advocate, you do have to also throw in
the aspect of you know, maybe he didn't want to

(30:42):
tell it because they you know, just wanted to become
part of the legend and it went a little bit
too far, and he was just like, uh, yeah, no,
I don't want to do this no more. I mean,
I'm just gonna throw it in there because I gotta
play Devil's advocate and I want to give people the
most well rounded perspective on things. But again, definitely got
to go into the aspect of you know, if this
guy thought one way and he saw something that totally
broke that, I mean, of course he probably doesn't want

(31:03):
to talk about it. You just kind of compartmentalize and
pretend like it doesn't exist in your head.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, and you know this is you know, good old
boys in rural North Carolina in the seventies. I mean,
I could see how something like that would totally shift
your paradigm.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know, especially too if they were you know, depending
on where they were at exactly if they were like Christians,
for example, depending on like what different point we were
at that point. Yeah, I mean communication with the dead,
that's you know, something you don't do. So you know,
depending on the area that it's in. If it's like
a heavy bibled area, you know, there's a lot of
these paranormal stories that aren't going to get told because
they don't want the church. You think they're communicating with

(31:37):
the dead for example.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Exactly. All right, So now we are going to jump
in some theories.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
My favorite the years, my favorite, it's always my favorite.
I love their own in theories.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Were hit on some of them, So we're just gonna
round out that now. But anyway, so throughout the years,
there's been like several researchers and curious locals that have
attempted to prove the existence of Lyddy or to like
try to find out who she actually was.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's just a ghost.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
So this one researcher like combed through death records and
newspaper obituaries from the early twenties, but they didn't find
anything that was consistent with the lydia legend. Another researcher
unsuccessfully searched like local police records and accident reports for
like that general time period, but again found nothing that

(32:28):
matched the circumstances of you know, the lydia legend.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
The nineteen twenties are difficult though, because I mean it
could be a positive thing or a negative thing. I mean,
people things weren't tracked as much back then. I mean,
how hard does it defined Perth certificates from back then exactly?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
So anyway, there was yet another researcher who claimed that
through the Guildford County Register of Deeds they discovered that
five women named Lydia died in the county in nineteen
twenty three.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
That's a lot on Linda's in nineteen twenty three in
one county to die, unless either that was a really
popular name or something in that area headed out for Linda's.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Four of the women they like quickly ruled out as
a possibility because they didn't die in car accidents. However,
there was a fourth woman, and her name was Lydia Underwood.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Sounds like a country.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Because of death was suspiciously missing from the records. So,
like you said, I mean, this is back in the twenties.
All these records would be over one hundred years old
at this point. They could have become lost, they could
have never existed in the first place. But it's kind
of funny and good for the story and the legend
that you know this Lydia Underwood's cause of death was

(33:43):
you know, missing from the records.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Underwood pretty sounds like a pretty paranormal last name too,
Like it almost sounds like a made up last name
because it's just so like creepy sounding Lydia Underwood, or
sounds like a country.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Star guy whose last name is Underwood.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
It sounds like a country star or something paranormal. One
of the two. She died Underwood.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So it's also been suggested that Lydia might not have
actually been this young woman's name, or that it was
kind of only a nickname, and in fact, in the
late eighties, there's a researcher that interviewed like several elderly
locals about the legend, and some of them claimed that
they actually like remembered a car accident involving a young

(34:22):
woman sometime in the early twenties. However, most of them
agreed that the young woman's name was definitely not Lydia,
and the ones that could remember said it was something
along the lines of Mary Mary Ann remember that one,
or like Marian. And it's also been suggested that the

(34:43):
accident might not have actually occurred in nineteen twenty three
and could have happened like several years earlier, and this
like nineteen twenty three date seems to like only come
from this burke haartisan account when Lydia's mother told him
that her daughter died thirty years earlier. So again, take
all the dates with a grain of salt.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
That's like that stuff I was saying earlier, where you're
retelling these stories, you just add these details that are
extremely specific to try to add validity to it. So
like if you're saying this happened around the nineteen twenties,
or you said this happened in nineteen twenty three, like
what sounds scarier, what sounds more realistic, and.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
What makes it sound more legitimate? You know, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
So I mean again, regardless of what actually happened, like
when you're retelling these stories, you'll add specifics to make
them sound better.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well. And you know, like we said, if this did
happen sometime in roughly the early nineteen twenties, that still
is a big possibility time wise. I mean, it could
be back to like nineteen fifteen or up to you know,
like nineteen twenty. You know, that's that's a long time
that you would have to look through records and newspaper

(35:51):
articles and whatnot to try to find any information about this.
If it still exists, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
And I mean even to bounce it in there too.
You mentioned that in one of the variations of the
story it was on New Years Eve, So I mean
New Year's Eve two thousand or nineteen twenty three going
in nineteen twenty four, or was it nineteen twenty four
or three, or nineteen twenty two going in nineteen twenty three.
I mean that part of the story also adds it
in there where it's like a four year gap you
could possibly look into.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, I mean, just anything that happened this long ago,
even if it's not a ghost story, it's hard to
find information on. So I mean, when you've got just
this urban legend that you're basically trying to track down
evidence for over one hundred years after the fact, yeah,
you're probably gonna have a tough time figuring things out.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
And I mean also just to throw it in there too.
You know, if this woman was found dead on the
side of the road, you know, depending on how they
recorded stuff back then, if the boyfriend this person was
real was in the car, they may have registered his
death as car accident, But if the woman was on
the side of the road, they may have put unknown
cause of death struck by a car. It may not
have been classified the same because you know, if they

(36:57):
just essentially walked up on this, you know, it may
have been worded a little bit different, I mean, and
then people just kind of filled in the gaps retelling
the story. But if you're trying to log this as
far as like police documentation goes, it may not just
say a car accident. It might say like found dead
on the side of the road, So it might even
be harder to find that record may be caused by
a car accident, you know, like to find details.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, people weren't as specific about like autopsy reports and
things like that back then, So yeah, I mean, it
definitely could be something where I think it was, I
can't remember what episode it was. Actually it was a
Rowino Colony episode when we kind of touched on Edgar
Allan Poe and like the cause of his death is

(37:37):
like something like super generic and off the wall on
his death record. So it could be a situation like
that here, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I mean, that's still a big mystery. I was listening
to an episode the other day about that, and they
threw in a couple other theories. I mean, of course,
there's like the poisoning theory, and I was even hearing
this other theory that somebody threw in that seems like
it might be pretty legit. That apparently, back in those days,
if there's somebody that came into the town, they were
a stranger, what there would be groups of people that
would basically try to use that person to influence a vote,

(38:05):
because obviously voting wasn't as you know, isn't the way
that it is now where everything's like camera is this that?
So they would basically take a person, they would kidnap them,
they would like, change their outfit, make them go vote,
change their outfit, make them go vote, and make them
do this a couple of times and then basically.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Just think about the leading going on now.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
So I mean, like I don't know, I just just
to throw in more with the Edgar Allen post story.
I mean that one I heard in at least the
logic building up to it. I mean, that definitely makes
sense as a possibility or just simply the fact that
the guy wasn't very well liked from a lot of
what I heard, so you know, he may have been
poisoned by somebody. Also a possibility on top of having
a really bad drinking problem and also marrying his young cousin.

(38:43):
For anybody that didn't realize that.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Hey, times are different back then. It seems like people
were way more cool about to u fucking relatives and
underage girls back then.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
To Two Birds One Stone, I mean, how many of
these old like celebrities also did that, Like, uh, yeah,
Jerlie Lewis, he married his was it his guitar player
or his bass player's daughter at the age of like twelve, Like,
how the hell were you just like, yep, lead singer
my band? You know, do you want to marry my daughter?
You you just have her? I don't care.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, and not to mention like the Woody Allen's and
the Roman Polanskis of.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
The world, he was just trying to make sure that
he was notched in in case anything ever happened he
got kicked out of the band, because you know, back
in the day, everything became a solo project. So at
least he knew that if he got kicked out of
the band, you know, he'd still get some kind of
money out of job security and job security. Yeah, that's
why you see that with these old bands, it was
actual job security.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
All right, So after our tangent on Edgar Allen Poe
and Pedophile, you're going to jump back into this.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Hey, we didn't go too far off the rails today,
but Alex Jones already apologized for us in advance. So
anybody that we're good to go may have benefitded just
go back and listen to that hold that thought. We'll
be right back after this brief commercial break and we

(40:01):
are back to the show. Let's hop right in.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
All right, So kind of closing out this section, there's
a man named Michael Reneger, I believe is how it
would be pronounced, and he's widely regarded to be like
one of the foremost experts on the lydia legend, and
he's released multiple books on the legend. The most recent
is called Looking for Lydia, The thirty Year Search for

(40:26):
the Jamestown Hitchhiker. This came out in twenty eighteen and
it was co authored with a woman named Amy Greer.
And in this book, Rendeger claims that he discovered an
article from the Greensboro Patriot newspaper that reported the death
of a young woman named Annie Jackson on June twenty

(40:47):
first of nineteen twenty and remember a few minutes ago
when we were talking about these elderly people that were interviewed,
and they said that they thought the name was something
along the lines of Mary, Mary Ann or Mary. So
Mary Anne was one of the names they suggested. And
now you've got Annie Jackson, so kind of close there.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
It makes you wonder if maybe people changed the name,
because if it was Mary Maryanne any variation of that.
I don't know when the Bloody Mary stories became super
popular as urban legend, but I almost wonder if somebody
changed the name so that it wasn't associated with that,
because you know, if you have too many merry ghost stories,
then it just kind of pulls away some of the
validity to it. So you know, names of people may

(41:28):
have been changed, but the story still remains.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, I mean, it's just another detail that could have
gotten changed or skewed in the game of telephone throughout
the years. But anyway, according to this article, this Annie
Jackson and a friend named Dorothy beck Or driving near
the underpass bridge on high Point Road when their car
turned over and killed both of them.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
So that got dark. Quinn got do what I said?
That got dark quick?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, But I mean You've got a lot of similarities
between the quote unquote legend. I mean, you've got somebody
named Annie, which kind of corroborates these elderly people's reports.
You've got them driving on high Point Road near the
underpass bridge and a car accident where they both die.
So because of all these similarities, this uh Michael Reneger

(42:17):
Fellow is like actively convinced that Lydia was in fact
this Annie Jackson character.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I mean, I out of all the theories I've heard,
I definitely think that that is probably the best one
that I would assume for this one, because, like I've
said right in the beginning, when it comes to a
lot of this paranormal stuff, like I take all the names, locations,
all that kind of stuff is a great assault and
you got to got to get to the root of it.
And remember that most of its telephone. So I think
if anybody has maybe found the secret, it's probably this

(42:44):
guy because everything kind of lines up. And it again
also fits the motif of a ghost story that you know,
people tend to change the names as the retelling themore
they'll hear the story, you know, and then they don't
remember the names, they change it and then from then
on out it gets changed into this name, Like I
always expect the names to change for all this paranormal,
local legend, urban legend type stuff, unless it's like the
main focal point is the character's name, like the Bunny

(43:06):
Man or something like that.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
No, I mean, I'm totally with you on that. I
think that this is kind of hard to argue with. Like,
if this isn't the kind of inspiration and impetus for
this legend, it's a really really weird coincidence and synchronicity,
you know.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
And I mean I don't know. Lydia sounds a lot
better for the legend than Annie, because Annie the Ghost
doesn't really sound very intimidatingly sounds it's not scary scary,
but it sounds scarier.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
It's all about marketing, right exactly about last week.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, that's what we're talking about with the Wyoming Hunter.
I mean, dude, Surprisingly, I went and checked out like
our listens for that one, and that one has gotten
a lot of listens and a lot of feedback, So
I think we actually did hit something that not a
lot of people know about. But again I had trouble
naming it. I ended up coming up with what I
call it Abduction of the Wyoming Hunter, the Carl Higden story,
because it is a really a hard one to name. Like,

(44:00):
that's probably why it's not popular.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
To come up with a snappier name. We just need
to decide that's what that story's called from here on.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
App Well, there we go. We got an exit plan.
Now we can be a marketing company for folklore stories
where anytime there's a story and it's starting to grow,
we got to come in and we got to tell
people exactly how to fix the story, how to make
it so it's gonna flow off the tongue, how it's
gonna stick around for generations. It's an untapped market man.
Maybe maybe that can be our exit plan one day.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Hey, I mean, marketing was my first major in college
before I switched it because I suck at math, so
I switched it to something that required less maths.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
But there we go. Paranormal marketing. It's a new business.
Paranormal marketing, that's our new business. That's what we're gonna
do from now on. If anybody needs any help marketing
their paranormal story, we are the guys to come to.
We will do it for you. And speaking of that,
that's a perfect opportunity for people to call in for
the Halloween special because we can market those stories too.
And that number again, I'm gonna throw it for maybe

(44:52):
the fourth or fifth time this episode. Three one, three, three, six,
four one five five to one. Take the opportunities.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
On a more serious note, Shane, I'm glad you've got
some good feedback on that episode. Like I said at
the time, I think that's my favorite episode you've ever
put together. I you know, listened to it the other day,
and I think we knocked that one out of the park,
if I do say so myself. So I'm glad that
that that one's been well received.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I got one or two still in the whole story
as far as these unknown, uncommon extraterrestrial stories, so hopefully
we'll keep banging those out and we'll have some more
stuff that you guys have never heard of, because I
got at least two more on retainer, And if anybody
caught it, I mentioned one that's an Italian story at
the end of the last episode, so you guys will
have to wait in the future.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
To check that one out. You're teasing everybody.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
I like to tease people that's what she said. What
happened to that button? I used to have that button
forever and I got rid of that. I need to
bring that back. At some point I felt like we
overkilled it, but now it might be the opportunity to
bring it back.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Overkill is like the name of the game on this show.
When have we never not overkilled something?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, you're right, that's gonna be my new overkill. All right.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
So we've talked about some of the more down to
earth theories about like death records and newspaper articles and
things like that. You ready to get weird?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Oh yeah, I'm always ready to get.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yes, we're gonna get bizarre now. So anyway, it has
also been theorized that Lydia the hitchhiking ghost could be
something way weirder than like an urban legend or even
a ghost or disembodied spirit or whatever you want to
call it. And it's been suggested that she could be
some sort of fault form similar to like a tulpa.

(46:31):
And for those of you out there who aren't aware,
according to Wikipedia, a tulpa is quote a materialized being
or thought form, typically in human shape, that is created
through spiritual practice and intense concentration. Uh, the term is
barred from the Tibetan language, and it kind of roughly
translates from my understanding to like phantom or manifestation. So

(46:56):
the general idea behind this seems to me that you know,
if enough intention or energy is focused onto like a
concept or entity, it's possible for that concept or entity
to like actually manifest in physical reality. And in the
case of Lydia, of course, it's been suggested that you know,
whether she existed or not, whether this ghost exists or not,

(47:21):
you know, through the constant retelling of this story throughout
the years, it could have led to some sort of
manifestation of Lydia quote unquote to actually appear and materialize
in the physical world. And I'm sure you've got something
to add on to this section since we just got
real bizarre.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Well, I mean, I put a lot of validity into
that thought. With a lot of this paranormal stuff, especially
the motifs that you see all the time, if it's
something that's always on people's minds, like you know, seeing
a ghosts on the side of the road, seeing a
ghost on the side of a river, whatever, then maybe
like I'm always saying like something swoops in and kind
of takes the form of that, or you just end
up mentally creating it yourself by having so much on it,

(48:01):
and just to extend on that a little bit more.
Something else I was thinking about when you're explaining the
TULPLA thing that I haven't really thought of before. When
people are driving, correct me if I'm wrong, But when
you are driving a lot of the time you go
into this like autopilot mode, right, and when you're in
that autopilot mode, you're kind of like, I don't know,
you're like not really a trance almost, yeah, you're almost
like in a trance. That's that's a good way of

(48:21):
putting it. So when you're in that trance and you're driving,
and a lot of these roadside encounters, you know, with Frogman,
with Mothman, with this one, with anything paranormal, could it
be possible that the reason why you see so much
of this stuff on the side of the road might
be because of like the mental trance that you're in,
Like it opens you up for the possibilities of seeing
these things that maybe always exist there, but your brain

(48:43):
tells you that they're not. But once you're into that
trance state, something pops up that's not supposed to be there,
you like hyper focus on it for a second.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Well, and think about it this way too, Like all
of these reports, of the vast majority of them happen
on rainy nights. So if you've got like, you know,
rain beating on the car and you know, the sound
of the windshield wiper, that could exacerbate this like trance
like state. And I never thought about that, so you
just mentioned it. But I think that's like a really
good thought, And it could be one of those situations

(49:13):
where you know, these window areas or liminal spaces that
are just you know, kind of more tied to this
type of activity. Anyway, if these certain sorts of sets,
excuse me, if circumstances are put on top of it,
it just probably thins the veil even further.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
And I mean, just to continue on with that one
even more so, we're always talking about these sightings that
happen at these like teenage makeout spots. Isn't when you're
in the middle of making out with somebody, you're really
into them, aren't you basically like in like it almost
like a trans like state. So that might even expand
into that that maybe you are more susceptible to seeing
these things once you're in a flow state or a
trans state, or wherever way you want to word it,

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depending on the situation. But when you're like focus in
your own head, I feel like you kind of enter
into an area where there's more possibility of catching things
that your brain would normally maybe shut off. Like I
feel like these things might always be there, but your
brain just like throws out the useless information. But when
you're hyper focused and something just pops up, then you're
like whoo, and then you hyper focus onto that for

(50:12):
a second.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
No, I think that's a great point. And again, you
know what do I always like to say more than
one thing can be true at the same time. And
it could be window areas, it could be liminal spaces,
it could be this trance like state all coming together
at one time in these specific moments to make these

(50:35):
sort of high strangeness situations possible.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I mean, even expanding out of that even more. Maybe
this is another experiment you could do. You know that
thing you do where you're like, especially when you're a kid,
you'd be like looking into your basement and you'd be
like staring into the basement and then all of a
sudden you'd start seeing things move around. You either had
that aspect of the human mind tries to make things
into shape, to try to make sense out of them,
so that's why your brain will like make out faces
and things all of that, or again you're staring into

(51:00):
the darkness, you start getting into this hypnotic state, and
then maybe at that point is when you again you
start seeing these things past. I mean, I feel like
there's a lot of occult stuff that we've kind of
touched that kind of touch this a little bit, but
maybe not coming at it from the same direction, but
basically getting into a translate state to be susceptible to
something crossing your.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Vision and stuff like that. Could even get back to
like UV spectrum and things like that, and we can
only see a very small percentage of the light that
you know is in the spectrum, and under these certain circumstances,
in certain frames of mind, maybe you are more susceptible
to seeing this type of thing that, like you said,
could always be there. And I'm jumping ahead a little bit,

(51:42):
but you know, who knows what entity or thing is
taking on these forms and appearing to you, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I mean that's something we've thrown around a lot. Is
that if people put thought into something, is it the
fact that the thought created it? Or is it the
fact that something takes that opportunity. That's kind of like,
you know, all these different like beings you see that
change through time and they just kind of take on
different like names, but they're still the remaining same archetype. Like,
is it that they're different things or is it just
that something else kind of slid into the spot and

(52:14):
took a different name because the opportunity was there.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Well, that's a perfect segue into our next section. So
we're going to talk about a concept that's kind of
similar to Tulpa's and all of that, you know, rabbit
hole we just went down. Are you familiar with a
phenomenon known as the Philip Experiment?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Oh? Yeah, I love this one.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Okay, So I'll give a little bit of background for
our listeners and then we can discuss it further. So,
in nineteen seventy two, there was a group of Toronto,
Ontario based parapsychological researchers and they conducted this experiment where
they created this fictional character and they intended to like

(52:54):
contact quote unquote it during like seances, and they named
the character Philip, and they created like this whole elaborate
backstory for it, and allegedly, through like traditional seance techniques,
this group of people was like eventually able to make
contact with some sort of entity who claimed to be Philip.

(53:16):
But what's interesting is this entity was able to tell
them details about this like fake backstory that they made up,
and allegedly it was also able to like manipulate the
physical environment through like vibrations and breezes and rapping sounds
and moving the furniture, just normal poultrygeist type stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Part of the story too, is they tried to purposely
give it a very traumatic, tumultuous history too, So I
think that also plays in with this, Like there's tomas.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
A backstory that like couldn't possibly be true. Like there's
just like historical discrepancies. So it's not like you could
stumble upon some ghosts that had this story if I
remember correctly.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I know that I don't. I'm all the fine details,
but I'm gonna try to para phrase it as much
as I can for what I do remember of it.
The whole aspect was that he was some type of
like royalty or some type of like prince or something, and.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
He served in the military or something like.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
He had like a wife, but he also had a mistress,
and the mistress something happened to her, so then he
got really upset about that. And then his wife something
ended up happening to her, and he got really upset
about it, so he ended up killing himself in some ways. So,
like I said, I'm extreme paraphrasing it, but I believe
that that was kind of like the main hitting point
of the detail of the story was they try to
add these very traumatic details to it, to try to

(54:34):
add that whatever that is, like that emotional energy you're
charged to it. Like it seems like there's a lot
more energy in negative emotions than there are positive ones.
But that also being said, I've also thrown the theory
that I think that enough positive emotion can cause these
ripples to happen or these because I always go back
to the aspect of like these old timey bars and stuff,
that all these fun events happen, so it just accumulated

(54:56):
so much that maybe there's this repercussion of this like
positive event, but it appears that with negative events, it's
like one single thing can leave the shockwave through time
or however way you want to describe it. So it
just seems like the energy for negative is a lot
stronger than the energy for positive.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yeah, I mean, how many times have we talked about
violence or death or negativity thinning the veil even further?
And just from the little bit of research I did
because I didn't want to turn those into a Philip
Experiment episode, but yeah, basically everything you said paraphrasing the
background and the story is spot on with what I saw.
So yeah, if anybody out there is interested in that story,

(55:35):
it's super interesting. Definitely, I mean, it could be its
whole episode. It seems like.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
These thought experiments are fascinating though, Like I mean, that
just proves in a weird way that there's something to
the ideas or like to thought. Like I mean, it
seems like it kind of goes into the same parallel
as like the double slit experiment that when you're visualizing things,
when you have thought on things, when you're projecting your
energy whatever that means out of things, they have a

(56:01):
different reaction. Like it seems like reality is a lot
more malleable than what a lot of us believe. And
we're only starting to really understand that, but maybe the
powers at b are trying to make sure that most
people don't understand that. Well.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, I mean magic is all about intention and you know,
changing your surroundings through intention. So I mean, like you said,
the powers that be probably don't want people knowing the
power that they might have to you know, change and
disrupt quote unquote reality. And how many times have we

(56:36):
talked about on the show? You know, people want to
talk about like how magic and technology are like you know,
on conmplete opposite ends of the spectrum. But it seems
like once people get you know, so smart and so
technologically advanced, you circle back around to like magic. So yeah,
I think you're definitely onto something there.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I feel like even with a lot of people's research,
like a lot of people that dive into this, it's
kind of like you kind of go to this point
where you come out and then you come back in,
like you kind of separate the woo woo from like
the science over here. But it seems like everybody gets
to this point where they start like intersecting again, and
it's always this like really weird spot where it's like
you don't necessarily know what to do with it, you know,
because it's like you feel crazy sometimes trying to suggest

(57:18):
these ideas. But on the other side you have scientific
evidence that does back it up, but people don't want
to put two and two together. Like you're always talking
about this whole idea about like projecting what you want,
projecting your intentions, like speaking out loud about the things
that you want in life, and you see this in
a lot of New Age stuff, but realistically it's the
works the same way for prayer. I mean, whatever way

(57:39):
you want to perceive that, whether you're talking to God,
you're talking to whatever, you know, there's still this same
dynamic of once you speak the words out loud, or
you have the intention out loud, then things tend to
fall into place. And is it a matter of reality
reacting because of the words that you put out into it,
which there's a lot of, you know, things with words.

(58:00):
I mean, that's all kind of a whole other rabbit
srail on its own. Or is it a matter of
once you've said it out loud, you switch your brain
into focusing on that intention, Like is it like a
chicken in the early egg thing, Like, is reality interacting
with you or are you interacting with reality because of
the same event.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Well, I think it's a little bit of both. I mean,
you know, studies have shown that if people are, you know,
sick and have cancer or whatever, like a positive mental
mindset can like actually make you better.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
So I mean, look how many placebo pill experiments they've done, like.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Exactly where exactly? So, I mean, if we can control
our own bodies just on that level, kind of circling
it back around to you know, Lydia and the Philip
experiment and whatnot, If all these people are focusing this
much intention and this much like kind of energy on

(58:56):
one concept or idea, I mean, it doesn't seem asid
nine that things like this could actually happen in some way,
shape or form.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yeah. I mean again, whether it's a tulpa or somebody
being taking the spot of this idea that you're projecting,
like exactly, there's still clearly something to thought, and science
has proven that there is a lot of real world
repercussions to the idea of thought, like thought carries weight
as weird as that sounds like, in a literal and physical.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Way, and I kind of like the idea of some
sort of entity. And that's why I specifically use the
word entity talking about this Philip experiment, Like some sort
of entity, whether that be an ultra terrestrial or a
nephilim or demon or whatever you want to call it,
like kind of latching onto these already established thought forms.

(59:48):
I think that's like a really fascinating concept to think about. Tight, guys,
we got to pay some bills And now back to
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Doesn't that make the whole concept of AI a little
bit creepier in the aspect of like, yeah, I don't
think that we're going to create it to be conscious,
But that being said, like how do we even judge consciousness?
How do we judge our own consciousness? You know what
I mean? Like, how do we judge if something hasn't
come in and hijacked this thing and we don't think

(01:00:27):
it's conscious, but there is a consciousness involved in it. Now,
because you're literally talking about projecting these thoughts the whole
tope idea like what is AI? What is the internet?
Like people are having conversations with whatever this you know,
text thing is that's you know, just zero's and one
supposedly responding back to you. But once somebody has projected
enough thought form of AI being conscious, is it possible
that we may make it conscious because of having the

(01:00:50):
thought of it becoming conscious? Like as weird as that sounds, well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
And I've heard a lot of people on podcasts and
you know, different interviews and whatnot talking about that very
idea that the you know, demons or disembodied spirits of
the nephilum or whatever you want to call them like
latching onto AI and basically using it as a vessel.
So yeah, like you said, as if we needed more

(01:01:14):
ammunition that robots are not gonna be good for us.
Now you get to worry about demons infesting robots.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And the weird part is like I feel like, uh,
with a lot of like the AI stuff, the aspect
of it's not conscious because it doesn't have emotions, Like
is it possible for something to be conscious and not
have emotions? I mean, how many psychotic people are out there?
Are there that are completely conscious but literally don't have
any like real emotions, like they program in their own emotions.

(01:01:43):
And then this goes back into like I always bring
up bringing some stuff into like star Trek. There's like
this whole episode where Data, the you know, cyborg or
not cyborg, but the robot guy whoever you want to
call him, is basically trying to fight for his right
to exist, and they're trying to fight and basically say
that he's a robot, he's machinery, he's not conscious, Like
it's irrelevant. Yeah, he's a fucking clanker, you know, And

(01:02:04):
they end up getting up to this end point where
he's saying like, are you aware of your surroundings? Are
you aware of the people that are happening around you?
Are you aware of the effects that you have on
other people? And they end up ruling that he's conscious,
but yet he doesn't feel emotions. And that's like the
whole ongoing thing through the whole show is he wants
to understand human emotions. So when it comes to that
whole thing, you know, we try to say that like
part of being conscious is emotions, but I don't necessarily

(01:02:26):
think that's a factor that plays in. I think the
whole aspect of being conscious is self awareness. So if
it's you know, a ghost like this, if it's artificial intelligence,
whatever it is, if it's aware of itself. Isn't that
what I would deem as conscious?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Well, and that gets into some like really tricky moral
issues as well, like how conscious are animals? Like I mean,
I feel like I mean, your dog owner. I feel
like dogs are a lot more conscious than like some
people would give them credit for. You know, it's I mean,
where do you draw the line once you start those
sort of conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Like I said, as long as it's self aware, I
think that's the whole thing, because it's like, I don't know,
like dogs, of course they're not gonna feel sad if
they do something for you. They'll feel sad because you're
mad at them, but they don't feel sad for the
same reasons. But again, that doesn't mean that they're not conscious.
So I think conscious is a lot broader of a
term than people try to give it credit for. Like yeah,
like like a lot of these things that people try

(01:03:23):
to try to perceive as like residual or intelligent hauntings,
you know, maybe there's a lot more of them that
are conscious of the fact that they are whatever they are,
And so in turn, these things are conscious. It's just
we're you know, kind of categorizing it from a human perspective,
but you know, it's a lot broader of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
A tern trying to make sense of crazy situations with
the best logic and best language we have.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
But that's a crazy thing to think about, is that consciousness.
It's like even today in science, like we can't define.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
That, we don't know what it means.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Yeah, we don't need to still know what it means.
Like that's crazy to think about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So that was quite the rabbit hole. Some good stuff
we unpacked there, but kind of closing out the Philip
experiment and thoughts and theories. So it should be noted
that this Philip experiment has received a lot of criticism
for quote lacking solid controls and providing ambiguous results due
to the unreliability of seances. And I mean, I'm sure

(01:04:21):
a lot of our listeners know about, like all the
issues with the seances and spirituality movement and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Go check out Whodini. He spent a lot of his
time going and trying to disprove anybody that said that
they were anything, Like he would pay people if they
could prove him wrong. Like, he spent years trying to
get rid of that stuff. As even though he's associated
with it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, so not to send us down another rabbit hole,
but if you guys are interested, there's a lot of
stuff to unpack with like the spirituality movement and seances
and people trying to debunk them. The last thing I'll
bring up here is it's also been suggested that like
hoaxes and pranks of course, could account for a lot
of the sidings of lydia, and like you were talking

(01:05:02):
about earlier, some of these could be as simple as
you know, like a teenage girl in a white dress
walking down the side of the road. And at one
point in time, a group of local high school students
was actually caught dangling a white dress on strings from
the underpass bridge. So I told you we were going
to circle back around to that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Do you ever wonder how many people or how many
women you know, maybe just had a terrible day. You know,
they they their husband left him at the altar. You know,
they're just wandering around in their white redding dress. They
just want to ride home. They're just done with their day,
and everybody just drives past, some screaming that they're a
damn ghosts. Like I feel like this is a regularly
happening occurrence, like, maybe you should just figure out if
it's a woman that needs help next time, but maybe not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I feel like that's probably more rare than ghosts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Maybe. Remember we're trying to throw in options that are
more ridiculous than the actual thing, because we had at
least have one for each for each episode.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's your sand Hill crane.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
For this episode, Yeah, sam My, sand Hill crane is
just women having really bad after getting married, not getting
married actually, because their husband's on show up and the
altar and they just go for a walk. They get
stranded and now they're infinitely stranded in time because nobody
picked them up, and now they're a wandering spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Okay, oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Shit, oh good. All right, guys, this is our last break,
so hold on tight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
And now back to the show. All right, So jumping
back in and kind of closing everything out, we're gonna
talk about some like miscellaneous and conclusions now. So Lydia,
the hitchhiking ghost is also referred to as the Vanishing Lady,
the Lovely Apparition, or the Lady in White, which I
thought was kind of interesting in light of our buddy

(01:06:54):
Tim Renner that we had on the show and talking
about like a woman in white legends and their connection
to Sasquatch. Another high strangeness. Do you have anything that
you want to unpack there before I move on?

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Has there been any roadside crossings around Linda of Sasquatch?
That is another weird parallel that people might not connect,
but maybe there is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
One somebody should look into that we need to see,
like the Venn diagram of Lydia sidings and Sasquatch siding.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
See, it was never Lydia or this woman that they
thought in the first place. It was simply just the
woman in white, and everybody just started creating stories behind it,
like there's probably like thousands more Sasquatch sidings all in
this area than there is of this woman in white.
But everybody just didn't connect the details because you didn't
have Timothy Rinner's mind in this area at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
And there you go, you crack the code.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
It was never her in the first place. I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
There's a damn Sashquat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
It was never a ghost. That's where're getting at here, Scooby.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Doo, all right, So kind of closing everything out in
the years after the alleged Lydia incident, the town of
Jamestown straightened out this dangerous section of high Point Road.
It's now part of US Highway seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Maybe that's another option. Maybe because the road was so dangerous,
the locals created a folklore hoping that one day they
might change the road.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
It's like saying the Boogeyman's gonna get you if you
don't eat your vegetables or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, I mean you see a lot of this man
people creating these paranormal stories to solve problems. Like perfect example,
this road where maybe it's extremely dangerous, teenagers are known
for driving really really fast on it. How do you
stop the kids from driving really fast on it? You
create this ghost story of this woman that died and
she's infinitely stuck there forever. Like, I mean, that's a
lot of good validity to some of these urban legend stories.

(01:08:39):
I mean, it may have just been created simply because
the road itself was dangerous and they wanted people to
take their time driving across the road. Because if you
tell people, oh, there might be a ghost, drive a
little bit slower. You know, you gave teenagers another reason
not to drive super fast. They want to catch a
ghost instead. I mean cautionary tale. I mean, that's definitely
not that's the hell of a thought.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I haven't considered that. But it could just all be
like parenting lies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
There's a lot of them, man, I mean you see
that with a lot of the Native American stuff. I mean,
why have we.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Never tried to wind to go stories?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Yeah, why have we never like flip that to a
modern lens, you know, with a lot of east like
even like the railroad crossing spots, Like I mean you
tell kids, oh, there's a ghost in that area because
somebody got hit by the damn train, then kids aren't
going to play in the tracks in that area anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I mean, hell, no, I think you're on something there.
I mean that that's a pretty good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Or takes one event and then you just use the
event as a basis of the story and then you
create it from there. Like I was kind of maybe
we're both right in the same context here. You know,
the one guy was right that that's the root of it,
but the story was played telephone to again do something
about this area.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah. No, I think that's great, And I think you're
totally onto something. And I did not even consider that,
but anyway, they straightened out this section of the road.
In the years since, they've also constructed a new railroad
underpass bridge. And the new bridge is located like seventy
five feet east of the original Is it called ghost

(01:10:00):
Girl Bridge? Excuse me?

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Is it called Ghost Girl Bridge?

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Named it? Well? Funny enough, the original bridge is still
there and it's now known as Lydia's Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Dang I was close.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, And in recent years, I think probably within like
the past five or six years, the town has built
a walkway that leads from the road to the original
bridge because like so many people still like visit this place,
and you know, there's like graffiti on the bridge and
people leave Ouiji boards and things like that. So it's
you know, something of a local like tourist attraction.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, paranormal tourist attraction. Those are awesome. I love it. Yeah,
especially when they don't block them off and chant them
off and tell people they can't go there. It's always
better because most of them they just chant off, tell
people who can't go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
There, and closing this section out. Allegedly, people are still seeing,
you know, sightings of Lydia and reporting you know on
dark and stormy nights seeing this ghost on the side
of the road, even though the bridge has moved.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
How far is this from your house? Because the next
time it's rainy, Oh damn, that's too far. Well the
next day that you know it's gonna rain, you got
to go and try this one out. See if you
and Jenny can go on in adventure and see if
you guys can catch the ghost. Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Say it that far? Hour and a half? Next time
much rain and man, pack up your bags and go
for a driving if we wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
But no, we'll definitely probably try to, you know, stop
by when we're passing through at some point, because like
I said, it's not that far from where we live,
and it's kind of like on it's a little bit
off like the main drag when you're like going through
North Carolina. But yeah, I mean, definitely be worth checking out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I feel like, hey, if you ever end up going there,
make sure you get some pictures of the bridge and
we can post them on our social media pages and stuff,
since you know, our listeners will now know the story,
so it'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Even cool that way, all right, So kind of closing
this out tonight, my kind of take home point, final theories, conclusions,
what have you. So there's you know, legends of phantom
hitch hikers that have existed for centuries. They're found in
the folklore of like several countries. Pretty much every state

(01:11:59):
has these legends. North Carolina has at least four other
phantom hitch hiker legends. This is just like the most
popular one, but it's also widely considered to be like
one of the most detailed phantom hitchhiker legends like period.
And so obviously, like we said, this has led a
lot of researchers to believe that, you know, the legend

(01:12:21):
could at least be based on actual fact. And that's
kind of where I fall on this. You know, longtime
listeners will know, I'm very skeptical that people are like
actually seeing ghosts and like the ghost of their you know,
aunt Sally or some Civil War general or something like that.
So I don't, you know, necessarily think these people are
seeing like the disembodied spirit of some young woman. But

(01:12:46):
you know, talking about the thought forms and all of that,
I think it's entirely possible that, you know, first off,
the event that inspired this legend probably did happen. It
just you know stands to reason and too, I think
it's very possible that there's something, you know, even weirder
going on here. So I think there's a lot of

(01:13:06):
different ways you can go with this one, something a
little bit different than I normally research, but it was
kind of a fun one to put together. So do
you have any kind of take home thoughts for this one, Shane, Well,
with a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Lot of the paranormal stuff, I feel like there's there's
probably like a really simple answer to a lot of
this stuff, and like I'm always talking about the whole
like conspiracy of the paranormal, Like I think that there's
some real world practical use to whatever this paranormal reality is,
and that's why they kind of let everybody just kind
of take liberties and do whatever they want with it.
Like I feel like there's something scientifically scientific to it,

(01:13:39):
like transferring of consciousness, like something like I don't think
that all these people are dying and just kind of
wandering the earth, Like I think that there's either something
that's taking the slot, so to speak, kind of like
we mentioned earlier, or if there is a possibility of this,
maybe we're seeing like a shadow of something like I
don't know, like I feel like there's just there's a
lot more to this paranormal, a lot more scientific aspects

(01:14:01):
of this paranormal stuff than what a lot of people
are let into. And the reason why the paranormal has
gotten so ridiculous is to like pull people away from
it because a lot of like you know, like the
like a lot of the analytical researchers, you know, we
tend to go towards like the UFO stuff, We tend
to go towards the cryptid stuff. And it's not like
we're taking stuff away from the paranormal. It's just with
an analytical mind, you kind of tend to go more

(01:14:23):
into that region. And maybe that's kind of the whole ploy,
is that they want people with minds like that kind
of staying over there, because you know, maybe this paranormal
stuff has a lot more of a simple answer than
what a lot of us think it is. And everybody
has all these different theories and all of that, but
it's just kind of muddy in the waters, and maybe
it's something a lot more simple than that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Well, two thoughts. I mean, we talk all the time
about how all this stuff is connected, and you know,
the lines between cryptids and aliens and ghosts blur a
whole lot if you just do a little bit of
digging below the surface. And then number two, how many
times have we talked about, you know, the phenomenon whatever
that may be, ultra terrestrials, demons, neflin, whatever you want

(01:15:03):
to call it, tricksters, elementals wearing masks and presenting itself
in different ways and in ways largely that the experience
or expects it to present itself. And if you're in
the woods, the phenomenon is going to present itself as
a bigfoot. If you're out in the desert, the phenomenon

(01:15:23):
might present itself as a UFO or an alien coming
down to abduct you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
So that's kind of what I've always kind of I
don't know if other people call it that, but I've
always kind of referred to this concept as like the others.
So it's just like it's single, like all these weird
things we're experiencing are simply one other thing other than us.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
And if there's this you know, already built in cultural
legend and framework for lack of a better term, it
kind of makes sense to me that, you know, whatever
the others or the phenomenon is would latch onto that
and present itself as this thing that people expect to
see on darken and s dormy knights when they're driving

(01:16:02):
down High Point Road. And I mean, that's a great thought.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
The whole woman in white thing has transferred, like I said,
from rivers with a lot of old Native American tales
seeing these white women all dressed in white to roads.
So there's either two ways you can look at it.
Either one it's a really popular story that just ends
up getting transferred in telephone through time. Or two there's
something to it, and that's why you see this legend everywhere.
It doesn't matter the continent, doesn't matter what corner of

(01:16:26):
the world. You see this legend reoccurring. And like I said,
maybe it's because there's something to it, or it's because
the story's so good. But I tend to kind of
gear towards things aren't always a coincidence, Like at least
some of these, you know, if there's a million cases
of this, there's at least got to be something to
a handful of them, which proves that there is something
going on. And not to mention again, it seems like

(01:16:46):
as we're always talking about the phenomenon changing itself and
kind of doing these slight variations, same stories from water
to river. It just changed as time has progressed and
we've moved into the modern age. But you're seeing it
realistically in the same thing, the road most traveled by people.
So maybe I think there's something to it personally.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, one always a nugget of truth,
and two more than one thing can be true at
the same time, So, uh shame Unless you got anything else,
Why don't you tell all of our listeners how they
can get up with us if they want to get
in touch with us for any reason.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
First and foremost, you guys can email us at Bizarre
Encounters at outlook dot com, or you guys get ahold
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the last way you guys can get ahold of us
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(01:17:41):
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some of your experiences that you might like to share
for Halloween. And that number is three one, three through six,
four one, five, five to one, And again if you
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Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
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the link tree and the show description.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
And just like the continuous legend of the Woman in
White and the Hitchhiking Ghost, we always stay bizarre. You
guys should stay bizarre. So guys. Always always remember to
always stay bizarre, bizarre, bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
I'm afraid no ghosts. You shut up. I'm so fucking
scared right now, or at the pot to make people

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