#128 Vampire Lore, History, & Legends

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any and then looked out and there was this big, red,
blinking UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.
Something's going on.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
They're not dogs, they're not coyotes.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
What could it be?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right? I had an encounter with a skunk cake and
it completely altered the course of my life.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I got a call, got on building what about saying
sightings of a UFO covering.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Over a barn. Really woke up from a dream. And
when I went into the bedroom, she said, there's a
monk there on the wall. They saw that the creature
had run through a barbed wire fence that they were
able to obtain cares. They sent the hairs to their
lab and it came back as an online creature.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Creature creature.

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Good shading boy? What is the bizarre rights? And welcome
back to the most bizarre show on the Internet. I
am the one that's still referred to as Shamesquatch. What
is that fucking thing? And alongside me I have the

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big bad Boodaddy himself, Sir arm Felix. Welcome to another
exciting installment in the Halloween special. How's it going today?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Orn?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's going pretty good. That was a pretty spooky intro there.
I wasn't quite prepared for that, and I mean normally
it's very suggestive with the moans and the grunts and whatnot.
I wasn't ready for a little ghosty action there.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well. I was trying to make keep it a little
bit more PG. But I realized after we're just now
playing it, that there's an F word in, you know,
the intro to me starting up. So I guess that
totally contradicted itself. But I've done fucked up. But at
least we don't have moaning in the beginning, so it's
a little bit more. It's it's our instead of X
rated at least right down one, it's California clean. Now,

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that's as best as we can do.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
But uh, if that's as bad as it gets, I
think we're all doing pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
We might get pretty bad this episode. It depends. We'll
have to see. We'll play it by year. We'll try
to keep it somewhat clean. Maybe we'll have Alex Jones
apologize for us at some point. But for the most part,
like I said, since it's Halloween stuff, we're gonna try
to keep it somewhat clean. But going into exciting news
and updates well somewhat exciting since we still don't know
what the hell Twitch is yet. I also set us
up with Rumble, so we are now on Rumble. So

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we are now on YouTube, TikTok and Rumble, and hopefully
at some point I'm gonna try to figure out how
to live feed onto TikTok. I tried to do it
the other day and it wouldn't let me just cast
my screen, so I got to figure out how to
do it. But we're going live in multiple places, man,
fun and exciting.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, and most of them I still have no idea
what they are, so you know, it's a mystery to me.
So if you guys figure it out, let me know.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, apparently the only one that seems to really matter
to people is YouTube, so that's all that matters. We
have a YouTube, right.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I know what that one is. I'm okay on that.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
And speaking of YouTube, one of the exciting things that
will be going on live on the YouTube, the Twitch
and the Rumble now will be our Halloween Special, which
will be happening on October thirtieth, Right, that's the day
before Halloween, is sure, So a lot of fun, exciting
stuff going on and of course for that, we are
going to end up dropping that the next day on
the feed so that everybody is able to listen to

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it near Halloween. So we're gonna make sure we keep
it spooky as we get towards the end of the month,
So make sure you guys pop into that live special
as usually usual, it'll be happening on Thursday that well,
Thursday October thirtieth, at about seven to fifteen pm Eastern
Standard time, so fully you guys are able to join
us for that.

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And if you guys can catch the last one, it
was definitely full of Halloween fun, so I highly recommend
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have not gotten one call, which is absolutely surprising. So
if anybody is still interested in doing that, make sure
you guys get it to us before October thirtieth, and
if not, then we're gonna been the special a different
way and just talk about some different folklore in our

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And everything we've mentioned is in the link tree and
the show description. So tonight's episode is something that Shane
has put together for our kind of month of Halloween.
We're doing here something that we haven't really touched on
too much on the show. So I'm excited to kind
of dig into some old timey folklore and some real
Halloween type stuff. So Shane, why don't you tell everybody

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what we're gonna be talking about tonight.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
As you guys can tell from the music today, we're
going to be diving into vampires and vampires from around
the globe. So we got a wide variety of this
stuff and we're going to try to connect it in
with a bunch of other folklore in everything that we've
been covering. But before we get into the initial stuff,
kind of laying down the overview on what exactly vampires
are as far as far as the typical folklore goes,

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I gotta ask, or what's your initial thought on vampires?
Do you think there's any validity to the concept. Do
you think it's all strictly folklore? Like, what's your initial
thought on vampires before we even touch it?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
So without getting too deep into some stuff I want
to share at the end when we do kind of
thoughts and theories and things of that nature. I think,
like a lot of things we talk about on the show,
you know, the whole nugget of truth idea, I think,
you know, whatever was the impetus for a lot of
these vampire legends, I think very well could be based
in fact. I think that could be a real thing,

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and I think it could touch on a lot of
things like you said, that we talk about on the show.
So I'm excited to get into this one and kind
of pick your brain about it as we go. But yeah,
I definitely think there's some validity to it, and I
think it could be very much an issue of language,
like we talk about all the time.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
See, I see vampires as almost kind of like the
thing with were wolves, that there is some validity to
the concept, but because of the name and the folklore
based around it, everybody kind of throws it off as fiction.
But as soon as you connect in you know, were wolves,
the dog man stuff, or you start connecting in vampires
with some of these I guess you could say dark
energetic type beings, then it completely makes sense. But you
kind of have to understand the root folklore, understand where

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people got the ideas from, and then kind of pick
out your own what was stuff that was just created
through playing telephone and retelling stories.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, and almost not look at things quite so literally
like you, Like, I always say, what could these type
things mean in real world terms? When it comes to
like you said, were wolves, vampires, any of that kind
of old folklore. I think it's really really important to
keep in mind. Okay, again, these people were describing indescribable
things with the best language they had, what could they

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actually mean in modern day terms?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
And just like the wind to Go, it's one of
those things that the appearance changes a lot through time,
and what we know it as today is a lot
different from what people knew it as in the past.
And that's kind of what I'd like to get into
today is kind of dividing up some of this different
folklore to try to figure out a bit of the
root of it. So without further ado, let's get into
vampires do. A vampire is a creature from folklore that
subsists by feeding on the vital essence, generally in the

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form of blood of the living. Vampires are often described
as unnaturally powerful, with a variety of abilities, one being
their near indestructibility, which makes them difficult to kill. In
European folklore, vampires are undead creatures that often visited loved
ones and cause mischief or death in the neighborhoods they inhabited.
While they were alive, they wore shrouds that were often

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described as described as bloated and or ruddy, which means
having a healthy red color or dark complexion, which is
much different from today's gaunt, pale vampire that dates in
the early nineteenth century. So already, right there, you already
have a pretty big difference in appearance, where originally they
were kind of described as these like kind of dark complexed,

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reddish like darkly complexed creatures, and today we know them
as these like pale, gaunt, undead vampire like being, so
already right there kind of a kind of a weird differentiation.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
So kind of what I think about this, and I
know you're gonna touch on it a lot more throughout
the notes. Is it's one of those situations where media
and movies and basically pop culture has really like flavored
people's perception of vampires to such a degree that that's
kind of just the accepted norm. It's almost like a
situation where you know, we really don't have any idea

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what dinosaurs actually fucking look like, but everybody just assumes
they look like Jurassic Park. Like That's what I kept
thinking as I was reading through these notes, Like basically,
you know, bram Stokers, Dracula and the old universal movies
have kind of become the de facto depiction and what

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people assume a vampire is, even if that's not totally
accurate to the folklore.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
The attractive vampires, that's what everything's kind of shifted into today.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Like Twilight, when you're a vampire, you become very sexy.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, as Nandar says, he became a vampire to be sexy. So,
I mean, some people vampiric entities have been recorded in
most cultures, but the term vampire likely comes from a
Slavic word, such as the eleventh century Slavic uprah umpire,
which describes a blood drinking undead creature in Eastern European folklore.

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The word spread from Slavic languages, possibly through Turkish or
Greek influences, and entered Western Europe in the early eighteenth century,
eventually reaching England through France. In modern times, the vampire
is generally held to be a fictitious entity, although belief
in similar vampiric creatures such as the chupercabra, reptilians, certain
demonic entities, or even energy vampires, is seen as less

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fictitious amongst the researcher community. Early folk belief in vampires
has sometimes been ascribed to the ignorance of the body's
process of decomposition after death, and how people in pre
industrial societies try to rationalize this, creating the figure of
the vampire to explain the mysteries of death. And do
you have any comments, far, I keep going on.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Nope, I think I'm good right now.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Because I purposely kind of laid down the whole thing
with energy vampires. I know that you probably want to
dive into that at some point. I think that might
be the only reference I do. So I didn't know
if you want to take that opportunity, if you're gonna
wait till a little bit farther on.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I've got a whole list of notes that i'll kind
of say for the end.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
If that's okay, okay, So we'll get back in energy
vampires for everybody that's heard of that concept.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
But we're gonna circle back around.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
We'll circle back around. While vampire myths are rooted in folklore,
they have often sparked interest from scientific perspectives. Some researchers
believe that certain medical conditions may have contributed to the
development of vampire legends. For example, porphyria, a rare genetic disorder,
causes sensitivity to sunlight and can lead to symptoms resembling

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those attributed to vampires. Another theory suggests that the spread
of infectious disease such as tuberculosis may have fueled vampire
myths in communities affected by these diseases. The site of
emanciated palid individuals may have led to the belief in
blood drinking creatures. The charismatic and sophisticated vampire of modern
fiction was born in eighteen ninety. However, with the publication

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of the Vampire by the English writer John Peldori. The
story was highly successful and one of the most influential
vampire works of the early nineteenth century. Bram Stoker's nineteen
eighty seven novel Dracula is remembered as the quintessential vampire
novel and provided the basis of modern vampire legends. Just
like we were saying, yep, exactly, we apologize guys for

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the interference, but we will be right back.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And just so you know, vampires want to be very
very clear about this.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I don't say blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I just want to make sure that everybody knew that
vampires do not say blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Was that an Adam Sandler vampire? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
That was from Hotel Terrencemania. I had to throw that
in once at least because my kid forces me to
watch that movie on an endless loop all the time,
because we've been slowly watching him as a family, and
he's made.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
It to the fourth one. Because you two, I bet.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I enjoy it. I mean, I don't care. There's a
there's a lot of good cameos in those movies. You know,
there's Bigfoot, there's Yeties, there's a bunch of these folklore
creatures people who think what they want. Man, Hotel Transylvania
is a pretty pretty good movie.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Maybe we'll have to do a deep dive on Hotel Transfit.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
People'll just cover all the different creatures that it cameos
and how they either had him correct or had him
totally messed up. Because the Bigfoot, I'm gonna call him
out on that one. It's literally just a big foot.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
So okay, so not scientifically accurate.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
You don't think, no, not a scientifically accurate accurate sasquatch.
It might, it might. I don't know. You don't get
to see the bottom of the foot. You only see
the side of the foot, and you hear some grunting,
So I mean, okay, I guess that's maybe similar to
some regular Sasquatch encounters that you typically see the footprints
and hear grunting, but not close enough for me. But
getting into creation of vampires and the way that I

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kind of did this list, we're kind of gonna do
it where we dive into how they're created, how you
defend against them, how you kill them, and then we'll
dive into some of the vampires from ancient folklore kind
of going around the world, but hopping into this section
creation of vampires. There are a few variations on how
vampires come to be, depending on the folklore of the region.
In Slavic and Chinese traditions, any corpse that was jumped

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over by an animal, particularly a dog or a cat,
was feared to become one of the undead. A body
with a wound that had not been treated with boiling
water was also at risk. Talk about a weird one.
Somebody could become a vampire if somebody a cat or
a dog hops over the dead body, or if wounds
weren't addressed by boiling water. So kind of a weird connection, right, I.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Mean, the wounding that kind of makes sense. The dogs
and cats jumping over the body. I can see why
that one didn't kind of catch on. That's not nearly
as romantic as a lot of the vampire lore that
we've got nowadays.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I almost kind of wonder if that maybe connects in
with the whole idea of like familiars. Maybe that it
was a matter of maybe they thought that like witches
could possibly like create vampires or make somebody become a vampire.
So maybe they thought the whole like dog or cat,
probably mainly cats. Jumping over a grave might have been
like a way of a witch's familiar, like finishing the
hecks or something like that. That's the only way it

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really makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I think you touch on that a little bit
more here in the next paragraph, So that's kind of
an interesting thought.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
In Russian folklore, vampires were said to have been witches
or people who had rebelled against the Russian Orthodox Church
while they were alive and it become and had come
do back due to black magic. So yeah, so there
you go. Also kind of continuing out with that, so
I mean, two different regions, but kind of gets around
to somewhat at the same point. In more recent folklore,

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vampires are created when a vampire bites in or gives
a human their blood, which turns them into a subordinate vampire,
sometimes known as a thrall. When in a clan situation,
the blood drunk generally belongs to the head vampire, as
this flight.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Be one of us.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
In some cases, the thrall doesn't completely become a vampire
until their first taste of blood. Any thoughts on this
one before we hop into the next section.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Sir nope, I'm good. I'm gonna let you keep rolling.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
All right. So preventing vampires in case anybody is in
a situation where you might need to prevent them, here,
here's exactly a list on how you do so. Certain
practices were born or were soon put into place to
keep the dead from rising again as the undead. Such
practices included burying corpse upside down, placing agricultural objects by

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the grave to appease the spirit itself or or potential demons,
severing the tendons at the knees, or spiking the foot,
body or clothes to the ground to keep them from rising.
The Roma, which was an Indo Aryan ethnic group from
the with origins in northern India, drove steel or iron
needles into the corpse's heart and placed bits of steel

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in the mouth, over the eyes, ears, and between the
fingers at the time of the burial. They also placed
hawthorn in the corpse's sock, or drove a hawthorn steak
through the lakes, which is I think the origin of
the whole put a stake through the heart, but it
kind of combined the two because he had steel. And
then you put the spike somewhere else, and then it
kind of seems like it kind of became one thing.
But that makes sense, scattering small grains such as rice, poppy, seeds, mullen,

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or sand on the ground near the grave, which would
keep the vampire occupied counting the grains all night, which
I always thought that one was pretty strange personally, but
apparently it comes from Europe and Chinese lore.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
So I did want to ask you about this one.
It seems to me that we've talked about the same
concept on the show before, and for the life of me,
I can't remember what we were talking about. Was it
maybe when we talked about like the Boo Daddy.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Talking about, Like this exact same thing that like whatever
the entity was would count something small. I can't remember
what it was, and that would like kind of keep
it at bay. Do you have any recollection of that.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'm pretty sure it was the Boo Daddy, but I
think we've talked about that with a couple different things.
But and hopefully nobody takes this the wrong way, but
I think that there might I think I might know
where part of this lower podossibly could have came from.
So obviously everybody hears the whole like side of the
whole like Jewish thing with They were the ones that
were the ones that were in charge of all the money.

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They were the ones that were in charge of collecting debts, uh,
loaning money out, all of these types of things. So
I feel like around this time, probably people associated money
counters with evil. So in turn, maybe some Jewish people
with evil. So I feel like the whole concept of
throwing down the like rice or poppy seeds or mullen

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or sand and had to sit there and physically counted up,
I feel like was an association with them seeing the
money collectors as evil because it almost kind of seems
like it's I don't know, it just seems close to me.
That's kind of like where I've always personally connected it.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
No, I think that's definitely a good point. And you know,
like we've talked about with a lot of these older
pieces of folklore, there's oftentimes a very kind of racial
racist element to a lot of this stuff. So I mean,
I think that would be par for the course with
a lot of other things we've talked about.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Like I said, trying to associate evil with evil. They
see the people that were collecting money as evil. So
these we'll kind of get into it a little bit
further on where they kind of telephone concepts into the
vampire concept. But you guys will see that as we
get a little bit farther on. But here's another way,
placing a wax cross and piece of pottery with the
inscription Jesus Christ conquers on the corpse. Further measures include

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pouring boiling water over the grave or complete incineration of
the body, placing something including a lemon, garlic, or even
a brick in the mouth of the corpse suspended to
be suspected to be a vampire, shooting a bullet through
the coffin. This was a Romanian thing. For resistant cases,
the body was dismembered and the piece is burned, mixed

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with water and administered to family members as the cure.
So kind of weird. They would feed the family member
of the deceased, or they feed the deceased family member
to the family hoping that they wouldn't become vampires parents.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So cannibalism keeps you from being a vampires what we
just figured out.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Apparently, apparently according to I don't know who came up
with that one, but apparently consuming flesh makes you not
become a vampire, which the whole concept of becoming a
vampire is consuming flesh. So tell me how that one works.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, I guess it's not technically flesh.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That it's a double negative, right, And just to throw
in some fun facts here, if anybody wondered where the
whole garlic concept came from a vampires, here's a little
section for you. Garlic is associated with vampires due to
the blend of folklore, superstition, and literally history that portrays
it as a repellent of evil in the undebt. It's potent,

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potent scent, and medical properties which ancient cultures linked to
warding off spirits and diseases, contributed to the idea that
it could ward off vampires. Bram Stoker's novel Dracula solidified
the association in popular culture, making garlic the most famous
supernatural defense against vampires. So kind of linked in from
multiple different places, but then basically got fined too an

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established from Dracula, which is where it seems like most
things were fine too inn established. But a little fun
fact for you, because I was always curious where the associations,
particularly with garlic and vampires came from. But okay, because
I've even heard of some vampire folklore where like garlic
doesn't affect them, So I don't know clearly trying to
connect and make sense out of its connection, I think, But.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, it's probably one of those things where different regions
had their own mythologies and their own different details, and
like you said, game of telephone, throughout the years, a
lot of this stuff kind of got combined into one
homogeneous vampire mythology exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Exactly in Bulgaria, over one hundred skeletons with metal objects
such as old plowbits embedded in the torso have been discovered.
So in Bulgaria they kind of did the same thing
that they were doing in other countries where they were
embedding him with things, and this seemed to have become
a normal thing within multiple different countries. So I feel
like at that point there has to be if there
is validity to the vampire concept, there clearly has to

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be something with impaling them, because that is seen across
almost everywhere, right, But the question of what material, because
it seems to be a mixture of steel and wood
depending on who you ask.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, like we say a lot of times, I mean,
just the details kind of vary from case to case,
but we're all talking about the same thing here.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Exactly, and getting into defending against vampires. Yeah, they don't
like that. You can't defend against these things. You can't
even talk about it. They don't like if they hits
at you. They're coming out of the shadows and they're
hissaomi man. So before they get me, let's get into this, okay.
In lore, various items and simple rituals were often used
to keep away not only vampires but other types of

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undead ording. Magic is also known as attrapak from the
Greek to ward off. Specific defenses against vampires include garlic,
wild rose, hawthorn plants, which were obviously mentioned above. Sprinkling
mustard seeds on the roof of the house was set
to keep them away. This may also relate to the
counting of fine grains used in previous measures mentioned earlier.

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Also sacred items such as a crucifix, rosary, or holy water.
Modern fiction has expanded the concept to include any religious
symbol wielded by a sincere believer of the relevant religion.
For instance, a believer in Judaism could hold the Star
of David to ward off vampires. But I don't know.
I feel like, you know, the War says that it

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specifically is crucifixes, but of course that's coming from like
the European perspective on things, if there is the whole
concept of evil good, all of that type of stuff.
I kind of sit behind the idea that I feel
like it doesn't necessarily matter what the item is as
long as you have intention and power in it, which
is kind of something you also see with protection that
we talk about amongst a lot of other things on

(25:05):
the show. It's not always necessarily the item itself. The
item itself doesn't have power. It's the intention and the
thought that you get behind having that item like it.
There's no power in the item itself. It's the power
in the thought that you have because you're holding that item,
like the power the item gives you the ego to
have the power or how else you however you kind
of want to describe it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, and I think it definitely makes sense when you think,
you know, centuries ago, when people were legitimately worried about vampires,
it would make sense that you would have some sort
of rosary or crucifix or holy water or something like
that that people, you know, legitimately thought probably did protect them,
and then it kind of became these talismans throughout the years,

(25:46):
and then that association just kind of grew and stayed
with the whole vampire folklore of Okay, so you know,
they're scared of crucifixes. If you spray holy water on them,
they're going to melt or whatever. So again, I think
it's really easy to see how we go to the
current state of vampire folklore when you kind of take
a step back and look at again what these things
could be in real world terms and were in real

(26:09):
world terms in the past.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, the way that I'm kind of seeing it now
is they see them as through time, they've always been
seen as like the ultimate unpure thing. So essentially anything
that would be deemed as pure seems to be a
defense against them. That's kind of how I've viewed this
folklore as I've been researching and diving into it.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, definitely makes sense.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
But moving forward, mirrors facing outwards or on a door,
as in some cultures, do not have a reflection and
do not as in some cultures, they do not have
reflection and do not cast a shadow. Mirrors were made
with silver in other days, which was considered a pure
metal and is commonly used in monster defense. Vampires are
said to be unable to walk on consecrated ground, such

(26:48):
as that of a church or a temple, or of
running water. So I'm sure you probably have some thoughts
on the running water, and I also want to make
a comment on the fact that the whole silver aspect
with merrors, as far as I was seeing from a
lot of my research, that is a lot of where
the silver folklore came from was from this vampire thing
with the silver mirrors, and then they started seeing silver

(27:09):
as a pure metal, and then they started using it
to go against these unpure things. So that's again why
it seems that silver is always the thing that takes
out any monsters, because it's a quote pure metal taking
out something unpure. As we were just talking about.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, a couple thoughts here, So to the running water point.
You know, we talk all the time about bodies of
water being liminal spaces where weird things happen, so I
think this kind of plays right into that. We also
talk a lot about how dog man sightings are typically
reported around graveyards or churches or things like that, So
I think that's kind of interesting with the whole you know,

(27:47):
werewolves and vampires are you know, historic enemies, so I
think that's kind of fun. And also about like the
mirrors and the silver yea, the whole silver aspect could
have something to do with alchemy also, I believe in
alchemy silver is associated with the moon, so also kind
of were wolf folklore and connections there. And we've talked

(28:09):
throughout the show about mirrors acting almost as portals. So yeah,
a lot to unpack in just this little little snippet here.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's almost like the whole idea of like trapping souls too,
And if you put two mirrors together, you're not supposed
to do that at funerals stuff like that, because it
can trap souls in between the two mirrors according to folklore,
So particularly at funerals, that's why you're supposed to cover
up mirrs, because you don't want to trap the soul,
which maybe goes into the whole thing the vampire folklore.
You know, if you think somebody's gonna be a suspected vampire,
maybe you put up mirrors at the funeral and then

(28:40):
you know, maybe you'll trap them. And this one's a
fun one that I'm sure that everybody is aware of.
Some traditions also hold that vampires cannot enter a host
house unless invited by the owner, although after the first
visitation they can come and go as they please, which
goes into another question with these, with these cases of

(29:00):
like the black Eyed children, if you invite them in once,
would they theoretically be able to come in again if
they are linked in with some of this folklore.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, that's a good point, and I'm gonna save a
lot of my thoughts on that for the end, But
remind me about the black Eyed children when we circle
back around to thoughts and theories.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
You got it. Though folkloric vampires were believed to be
more active at night, they were not generally considered vulnerable
to sunlight in original folklore. The idea was established in
popular consciousness in the nineteen twenties film Knows Faratu, in
which the vampire featured is destroyed by this morning sun.
Since then, the typical vampire story was sunlight as its

(29:38):
ultimate weakness, meaning that any human opponents dealing with dealing
with the monsters who managed to survive until morning will
find themselves with the advantage. Any thoughts on the whole
sunlight connection with these things.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Not off the top of my head, that's one that
I think is kind of, at least for me, harder
to place what a real world context for that might be.
And it could be something as symbolic as you know,
light versus dark, good versus evil. Do you have any
thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's where I think originally it kind of came from,
because obviously they did it in the movie for nos Faratu,
and No s Faratu was like, you know, it kind
of had the original idea of I guess you could say,
like the way that vampires were supposed to look. He
was like one of the first ones on film before
they started kind of getting into like the whole like
pretty vampire concept and just throw in some also pretty

(30:28):
fun facts here. So the Bram Stoker, the guy who
wrote Dracula, He obviously passed away before nos Faratu actually
came out, but his wife was still alive and as
far as I don't know how exactly it ended, but
she got into some like big legal battle with the
guys who created nos Faratu because she was saying that
they basically copyrit Dracula and like stole his story. So yeah,

(30:50):
I don't I remember what the end result was of that.
Obviously the movie never got scrapped and never got put
down or anything like that. Maybe she ended up collecting
money off of it, but also just kind of a
funny detail.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, that's pretty all right, guys, We got to take
another break. We'll be right back, and now we're getting back.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
To the bizarre hopping into destroying vampires. Methods of destroying
suspected vampires vary, with staking the most commonly sighted method,
particularly in southern Slavic cultures. Ash was was preferred wood
in Russian and the Baltic States, or hawthorne in Siberia,
with the record of oak in Silencia. Potential vampires were

(31:36):
most often staked through the heart, though the mouth was
targeted in Russia and northern Germany and the stomach in
northern northeastern Siberia. Piercing the skin of the chest was
a way of deflating the bloated vampire. This is similar
to the act of burying sharp objects such as sickles,
in the corpse so that they may penetrate the skin
if the body bloats sufficiently while transforming into an undead

(32:00):
Any thoughts on this one for happening the next paragraph.
I know that there's kind of a lot shoved in
that one paragraph, so.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, I think I'm good on this one.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Decapitation was the preferred method in Germany and Western Slavic areas,
with the head buried between the feet behind the buttocks
are away from the body. This act was seen as
a way of has it hastening the departure of the soul,
which in some cultures was said to linger in the corpse.
In the Bulkans, a vampire could also be killed by

(32:28):
killed by being shot or drowned, by repeating the funeral service,
by sprinkling holy water on the body, or by exorcism.
And I got any thoughts on this one again before
we hop into vampires from around the world.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Nope, But in the next sections, I do have some
stuff to add in, so I'm gonna let you keep rolling.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Perfect And I do have some pictures for this next section,
because of course, when you're talking about folklore and stuff
like that, of course people want to have some type
of visual representation. So for anybody that's watching the video.
I got a few pictures up first. One, of course,
you gotta have some no sparatus, so no sparatu. And
you also have some vampire deflecting objects, which I forgot
to bring up earlier, so I apologize, guys. And now

(33:08):
hopping into the first one that we're going to be
talking about today, the origins of vampire lore in Mesopotamia.
Vampires as we know them today might owe their existence
to the ancient civilization of Mesopotamia dating back to around
eight hundred BCE. The Edimu were one of the first
recorded vampire like creatures. These vampires were believed to be

(33:29):
the spirits of the dead and roam the earth, seeking
out victims to feed on while they slept. According to
Mesopotamian mythology, edimu were created when a person was not
given a proper burial, or if the deceased ghosts sought vengeance.
The edimu were not solely revenge driven, They were also
thought to bring diseases and misfortune to anyone around. People

(33:52):
took precaution to appease these spirits, such as performing a
specific ritual and offering sacrifices. The fear of the unknown
and the necessary of appeasing the dead were central themes
that contributed to the early development of vampire myths. And
here's a cool visual representation of what these things look like,
of course, being chased by Anyaki, which just makes it

(34:12):
that much cooler. But I just had to throw that
one in there.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, So I think there's a lot to unpack in
this section. First off, like you said, the kind of
au Naki Mesopotamian connections, but also what I thought was
interesting is this sentence here where he said spirits of
the dead that roamed the earth, and that kind of
to me sounds a lot like, you know, the whole

(34:36):
disembodied spirits of the nephilim idea.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
And connecting in with the this guy. So it almost
kind of looks like an angel chasing a demon in
a weird way exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
And so I could definitely see how these kind of
nephilum legends and folklore kind of was morphed throughout the
years into what we now consider vampire folklore. But also
it says seeking out victims to feed on them while
they slept. That also gets back to kind of like
Incubus and succubists and things like that, and even like
modern day abductions and UFO visitations. So yeah, just a

(35:10):
lot to unpack here.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
And that's why, specifically earlier in the notes I said
certain demonic entities, I figured that you'd probably want to
come back around to that, but incubus and succubists, of
course being two of the ones that I was referencing
in that. But yep, for sure, diving into a little
bit farther, we're going to be diving into Greece. So
the Lamia and the rya Calicus of Greece moving westward,

(35:33):
Greek mythology introduces us to the Limia, a child eating
monster associated with vampire equalities. Lamia's story is one of
the of tragic and horror. She was a beautiful queen
who became a monster after Harrah, Zeus's wife cursed her.
Harrah's curse turned Lamia into a creature that devoured children,
driven mad by the loss of her own offspring. Lamia's

(35:54):
tale highlight the themes of feeding and reproduction commonly in
many vampire legends. The idea of sucking the life force
from living, often through blood, becomes a reoccurring element in
the folklore that followed. Lamia's ability to transform into a
beautiful woman to lure her victims mirrors the seduction nature
attributed to vampires in later literature and popular culture. And

(36:16):
just as an added piece here because I know this
picture is a little bit not sitting correctly, but let's
see if I can bring it up a little bit
so you can see her face. Well, you can kind
of see the bottom half of the body. But unlike
the gorgons, these things did not turn people into stone,
but they have a lot of the same appearance. They
were typically depicted as having this beautiful woman like quality

(36:36):
to the top half of their body. There you go,
thin you see it a little bit better, and having
this serpent like tail to the bottom half. But they
could transform and get rid of that serpent like tail
in order to lure in their victims.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah. Again, lots of unpack here that could definitely get
back to kind of Garden of Eden and the serpent
and reptilian type things, and also the themes of reproduction
and blood and transforming into beautiful women to lure their victims.
I'm gonna save a lot of my thoughts on this

(37:09):
for the end, but again, kind of UFO abductions, suckubists,
incubust type stuff popping up here again.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
See I'm glad that you're starting to see this, because
this is where I want to get into was starting
to get into this differentiation here. I think that we're
talking about a lot of the same archetype but in
different formats. That being like the means that there are
clearly these creatures that exist all through different folklore. They
all have different appearances, but we basically took all of

(37:36):
the pieces of that put it into one thing, and
now we view it as folklore. We're talking about a
bunch of individual things that all share the same qualities
that eventually kind of blended up to become the same thing.
But like we're kind of talking about a little bit
earlier with men in black, with the Black Eyed children,
there's all these different things that had these qualities of vampires,
but they're all different, which is what I'm saying that

(37:58):
I think that we took all these pieces put it
in one thing, and that's why it seems so ridiculous now,
is because it's actually a blended piece of a million
different creatures that all kind of carry the same archetype.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Well and here again. Other than like all this stuff
kind of getting blended together throughout the years, you have
to consider the language aspect of this. And Okay, if
you take the literal words at face value from hundreds
of years ago, yeah it's gonna sound ridiculous. But again
you've got to think about what these type of things

(38:28):
could mean in modern day, real world terms. And as
we've seen just so far, there's a lot to unpack
in this folklore, in this mythology that connects to a
lot of things that nowadays people are at least coming
around to the idea that, you know, maybe this stuff
isn't so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
And I just want to throw this in here because
we have a comment in the chats. The person says,
I installed myriadd closets across or doors across from each other,
and opened a portal. A full grown man stepped out
of it seven feet away from me, stood there for
a second. In Vanish, I could have pooped myself.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I think I definitely would have pooped myself.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Oh, I definitely would have pooped myself. Man, that's one
of those things like Ouiji boards, man, you just like,
you know, they don't have any inherited badness to them individually.
But once you start like messing with him and putting
intention behind them, then's when you start falling into an issue.
So if you have the thought that you're gonna have
bad things happen with mirror or a owigi board in
your house, you probably just shouldn't put that in your
house because you already are projecting that intention on those items.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, there's definitely something too, just the whole concept of
mirrors acting as portals, And I think, like you said,
especially these older mirrors that have silver in them, I
think that only exacerbates all these kind of qualities that
can kind of make spooky things happen.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
So this next one, as you can already see from
this picture, you're definitely gonna be interesting because it's already
starting connect with what you're mentioning in that previous one.
Mm hm riah Kalikas are known not or are not
known to drink blood. Instead, they are said to eat flesh,
specifically the liver of their victims. In sixteen forty five,

(40:05):
Greek scholar Leo Alidicus claimed that any who were evil
or wicked, as well as having been excommunicated by the
bishop could have become a varakilas upon death, their bodies
could sweep up, causing all their limbs to distend, Yet
the bodies were hard to the touch. Anyone who looked
upon the creature would die of fright, but if they

(40:27):
spoke of it, the varia calicus would disappear. It was
believed the devil controlled the varia calicas, allowing them to
walk around day and night and use them to spread
diseases through small villages. As the stories were so closely
tied to region, the only way to destroy a vriklicus
was with prayer or fire, and one if you kind

(40:49):
of follow on as this folklore kind of transitions a
little bit going through the years and everything, it almost
kind of starts turning into a sleep paralysis demon like
the way that they describe it, the way that they
picked it. It originally kind of starts off as this
more physical thing and then kind of starts turning more
into this like demonic entity type being, but the whole

(41:09):
specifically eating the liver of their victims, I thought was
kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, that's definitely an interesting detail, and I think a
lot of the description of this creature could be boiled down,
at least initially to kind of like cautionary tale type
situations where you know, before modern medicine and sanitation and
vaccines and things like that, people had to be like

(41:33):
legitimately worried about spreading disease, and in a similar way
to like the wind to go acting as like a
cautionary tale. I can totally see how, you know, if
you don't, you know, shun these dirty and sick people,
You're gonna turn into a via calica and then we're
gonna have to burn you at the stake. So I

(41:54):
can totally see how this mythology could have started off
as something kind of mundane and then morphed into so,
you know, kind of what we see it as today.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And this is like, weirdly enough, one of like the
foundation roots for like the true vampire folklore that they
talk about in movies, which is this whole idea that
not only do they come and they start like taking
over like a town, but they also start spreading disease
throughout the town. Like for anybody that's seen No Strafo
specifically like the Newest One. This is like one of
the main concepts of the movie is that the entire
town around this thing starts getting sick. So I feel

(42:25):
like this is probably the roots for the whole sickness aspect.
On top of the whole thing that more than likely
a lot of these people that were claimed to have
been vampires were probably people that had some type of
illness or sickness.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
And then of course it's spreading after their death only
kind of extends that folklore.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, for sure, I definitely agree with you there.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
But hey, they got one thing right, burn the body.
That is a good way of getting rid of a disease, right,
I mean that's what they did during the Black Plague.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You feed their relatives.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, then you feed the They got rid of that
part in the Greek part, so at least they at
least they started understanding that part. We're getting better and
this one is personally one of my favorites, and we
will get into why as we go a little bit
farther on, but we are going to drive into the
Strogoy and the Moroy of Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe is
perhaps the most fertile ground for vampire myths, with tales

(43:14):
of Strogoy and Moroy dominating the region's folklore. Unlike the
romanticized figures of popular culture, these vampires are most accurately
described as walking corpses without souls. The trogoy were believed
to rise from their graves to haunt the living, feeding
on their blood to gain strength, and this is why
they're my personal favorite. These are the vampires used for

(43:37):
The Fax's show The Strain, which if you haven't seen that,
I highly recommend it, especially leading up to the Halloween season.
And I believe that it was based on a book series,
so also probably worth going and checking out the book series.
I never got around to it, but The Strain, as
in the show is absolutely fantastic. And moving on a
little bit into the Moroy. In Romania folklore, shrogoy could

(43:58):
be either living or dead. Live shrigoy were cursed individuals
with mythical powers, while dead strogoy were reanimated corpses. The Moroi,
on the other hand, were the offspring of strogoy, born
from the union of the vampire and the living human.
To prevent the vampire spirit from escaping their bodies, people
would drive wooden stakes through their heart, a tradition that

(44:19):
originated in this region and also as you can kind
of see from this picture, the Strogoy were kind of
viewed as more like primal like animalistic, and because they
were a second generation, the Moroi were almost kind of
seen as, for lack of a better term, like the overlords,
like the more sophisticated ones, the ones that you know,
wore normal clothes and were there were a little bit

(44:42):
more intelligence. They're almost kind of seen as like the
the better variation in a weird way of the Strogoy
because they had that human hybrid which I'm sure that
you have some thoughts on that one too.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah, just a couple of things to throw in here.
First off, when you were talking about how they were
described as walking corpses without so I wonder if that's
where a lot of like the zombie mythology kind of
came from. I know, you know, the whole zombie folklore
has a lot to do with like voodoo and like
Haitian influences and things like that. But kind of just

(45:13):
made me wonder about that. But yeah, like you said,
this whole idea of these kind of vampire and human
hybrid creatures, that gets right back to the whole nephilim
idea and even like you were saying, how kind of like,
you know, the second generation, we're wearing clothes and things
like that. That even goes back to, you know, the

(45:34):
nephilin being like supposedly the kings of ancient civilizations. So yeah,
like you said, I think we're just kind of harping
on the same few points here as we go through
this mythology.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
And I want to point this out at this point,
just because I have these really good pictures of this
stragoy and the moroi. What are these what do these
kind of look like that I've been talking about for
a long time on the show.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Well, they could definitely be like kind of a pale
crawler type situation.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Or yeah, I was gonna say the wind to go.
So I know a lot of people don't unders don't
usually associate vampire lore with ancient America, but talking about
the archetypes and how they exist in all these different places,
aren't essentially windigoes, These these creatures basically the same thing
that they're describing as these strogoy moroy or any of
these like ancient folkloric Eastern European vampires. It seems like

(46:25):
it's on the same line here and.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
It seems like here recently, we've had two or three
different occasions where we talk about some piece of like
Native American folklore that has a really similar piece of
like European folklore, and it's just where the kind of
names and details are changed, but it's almost talking about
the same thing. So I think this very well could

(46:49):
be one of those situations, because I've never thought about
it like that succinctly in those terms. But yeah, if
you look at the windigo folklore through a little bit
of a different lens, it's not that far off from
the vampire folklore.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Just for the sake of doing it too, let me
bring up a picture of what the wind Natives described
the wind to go to look like, just so I
can show this comparison, because I know I'm always chirping
about this on the show, but I really just I
want to show this because these pictures are so dang
close it's ridiculous. So let me take this one off.
Let me bring up this other picture here, because if
everybody has heard me talking about this on the show forever,

(47:24):
the Natives didn't describe the Windo Goes as these deer
headed like creatures. They described them like this right here,
Let's see if I can bring up a bigger picture.
Well it's a little bit small, but right here you
can see it in the corner. Tell me that that's
not basically exactly how the strougoy is described and visually looks.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Yeah, very similar. I mean the strougoy has kind of
like sharp pointy ears, but again that could be you know,
an artist's rendering. But yeah, I think you're definitely onto
something here.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So just again another connection that shows that it's all
around the world, just like sasquatch stuff. So maybe you know,
we should put a little bit more validity not into
vampires as Hollywood's describe them, but empires as a concept
or an idea, are like an archetype of something that
is out there that clearly has an interest in needing humans,
which also just to connect in and here goes into

(48:10):
the whole concept of uncanny Valley. Why is it that
people are so uncomfortable with something that looks so close
to them and it's an inherited fear? Is it because
we've been dealing with things like this since the beginning
of time and they've just learned how to hide in
the shadows because they can look like us. But I
don't know about you, man, but you'll have some interactions
with some people that just don't feel right. They don't
feel it just doesn't feel right. So I mean, could

(48:33):
we be passing some of these things on the regular
without realizing it? I mean, I don't know, man, Definitely possible,
especially if you take out again the whole Hollywood vampire concept.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well, and something I think I saw it in like
an Instagram post, so I can't give credit due to
you know who it needs to go to, but it
said something to the effect of, you know, the whole
un excuse me, uncanny Valley concept. Okay, evolutionarily, why did
this happen? Obviously, at some point in time human beings

(49:05):
had some need to fear things that looked almost human
but weren't quite human. So, you know, in the same
way that you know a lot of people are inherently
just afraid of snakes, and people use the whole reptilian
angle a lot of times to justify that the whole
uncanny Valley thing could be these kind of nephilum wind

(49:25):
to go vampireic type entities. And just like in our
fucking DNA that we're supposed to be scared of these
things because they're going to fucking eat us.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
And most of the time, the whole uncanny Valley feeling,
you get it more with like pale faces. So maybe
just another weird connection in with it, but it seems
like in most of the time when people get really uncomfortable,
it's like dull faces. It's like these really really like pale,
complexed faces, which maybe.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Kinds back to the idea of the nephilum exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
And I mean just that whole Mesopotamian thing sounds like
it's almost essentially the fight between demons and vampires to me, yeah,
for sure, or angels and vampire, angels and demons, therey
go mix it up there, you know, angels and demons.
But hold that thought. We'll be right back after this
brief commercial break and we are back to the show.

(50:21):
Let's hop right in, all right, hopping into this next one.
And this one's a pretty fun one actually, something that
I'm sure a lot of people have seen throughout a
lot of different pop culture, but the jin Shi of
Chinese folklore, they are the Chinese hopping vampire. According or
around the globe in China, the jinshi presents a unique

(50:42):
twist on the vampire myth. These creatures are typically depicted
as stiff legged, hopping beings with long arms that grab
their victims. According to Chinese folklore, ginshi were created when
a person died far from home and was not properly buried.
The body soul could not find peace, leading it to
its reanimation as a ginch The gin cheese method of

(51:03):
attack is quite different from other vampires. Instead of drinking blood,
they absorb the life force the chi of their victims.
Various rituals and protection charms were employed to ward off
these creatures, showcasing the cultural differences in how societies interpret
and dealt with the undet And I'm sure everybody who's
into anime all that stuff has probably seen like the
Japanese variations of these, But like, I don't know, I

(51:26):
feel like this one's kind of interesting, especially because it's
a weird thing to think about a stiff legged vampire
hopping at you.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, I think that would kind of shatter the illusion
a little bit. That's not nearly as scary if this
motherfucker's hopping like a bunny towards you.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I don't know, I feel like that's horrifying depending on
how the jumps are coming in, because if you jump
into like crap, who were we talking about not too
long ago, spring hill jack for example, I mean, those
would be some pretty scary jumps. If this guy just
hops in out of nowhere, hops out of nowhere after
attacking you. Man, if it's like little bunny hops, then yeah,
that's not scary. But if this thing's like jumping from
roof to roof, then that's horror fying.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Well, in my mind, that's how I visualized it, Like hops,
like they had moon shoes on or something.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Well, they had stiff legs, So how does that work
with the with the the impact resistance? I mean, I mean,
maybe they couldn't jump from roof to roof because otherwise
they would just break their stiff ass legs. But they
were un dead, so maybe they didn't feel pain, so
it was irrelevant. They'd just be walking around some broken
ass legs, hopping around saying fuck it.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So you didn't need like rosaries and holy water to
get rid of these guys. You just needed to go
to like a high place they couldn't jump up to
their ankles.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, or just stab them with something that seems to
be a good way of dealing with a lot of
these things. It's just you gotta stab them through the
heart with something sharp, preferably wood or possibly even silver.
But okay, diving into West African folklore because of course
I got to give you guys an interpretation from all
around the world, and this one, of course is fascinating.
They make sure I'm saying these names correctly. Uh Assan

(52:52):
bo Sama there it is bo Sam. These vampiric like
creatures belong to the folklore of the Acane people and
af and live in atop the tall trees of the rainforest.
According to the myths, the assan bosam where are hairy
with bloodshot eyes, iron teeth, curved feet resembling hooks that

(53:13):
were used to hang upside down from trees. Luckily, these
creatures do not travel outside of their territory. Instead, they
wait for unsuspecting travelers or hunters to enter. Once spotted,
the assambosa grab the trespasser, rip out their throats, and
use their hooked legs to drag them up into the trees. Usually,
the victims were eaten eaten, with only their bones thrown

(53:35):
down to the ground, but if the Assembo Sam is
filled with venom, it would convert the victim into another
Assem bosam Uh. The Sesam Bosam and the Assembo Sam
similar share many similarities and are sometimes considered the same being,
but there are some slight differences. In other stories. The
Sessambo Sam is said to be more is said to

(53:57):
be a more ferocious creature in the Enforcer of the Forest.
And I'm gonna bring up another picture here. Here's a
ancient depiction of some art of one of these creatures, supposedly,
so this isn't something that just popped up out of nowhere.
This is something that the natives were literally making art.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Of that almost looks like a depiction of like a
bat or something, which is kind of interesting in light
of the whole European vampire folklore.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, I was curious where the bat thing came from.
And it seems like this is the main thing that
I've caught that kind of has one of these well
the earliest of like the bat like mentality to vampires.
So again, just blending all this stuff together.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
So maybe I'm just like going a little too far
off the rails on this, But do you see some
kind of bigfoot connections with these two entities. First off,
they talk about how they're harry with bloodshot eyes. Obviously
bigfoots are harry. We talk all the time about like
red glowing eyes in these type situations. And they're also

(54:58):
considered the enforcer of the forest. How many times have
we heard about like bigfoot being like the protectors of
the forest or something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
And if you talk about missing one one four one
one too, the whole yeah, grabbing people and pulling them
up into trees. I mean, there's a lot of people
that theorize that sasquatch do hang out up in trees,
so I mean, could be possibly connecting with some of
the missing four to one one stuff. I mean still
seems pretty sasquatchy to me, Like you were saying.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Exactly going into these notes, I was not expecting there
to be a sasquatch connection.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
But here we are or batsquatch? Dare I say it?
Because it's definitely bat like And uh, okay, now we're
going to be hopping into Let me bring up another
picture here this guy over here, uh the brahm uh
pah RuSHA and the bra Bra Rick Shasha of India
let me, let me, let me, let me say that again,
just to make sure I got it flowing as we

(55:48):
go through this. Brahm uh pah RuSHA, there it is.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
These vampires were often considered a demon or demon vampire hybrid,
making them extremely violent and bloodthirsty. According to Hindu mythology,
brem parusha were once religious teachers and scholars who use
their knowledge for evil or have committed acts of pure evil.
After their death, they return to the land of the

(56:12):
living as these demonic creatures. And just to stop right
there for two seconds, doesn't that sound slightly SKINWALKERSH.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Well, I was gonna say, nephlin. I mean, you're talking
about hybrid creatures again who are extremely violent and blood thirsty.
So I mean, I hate to keep beating the nephilum
drum here, but so much of this just reminds me
of nephilim lore.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Right these And just to throw in this whole thing too,
because this is probably the perfect point to point it out.
A lot of the people that connect all the different religions,
they kind of see it as like like a lot
of the other religions are just the demons, the nephilum,
the fallen angels kind of portraying themselves as other things.

(56:55):
The one that makes the most sense to me is
Hindu religion, because Hindu religion is built on this foundation
of the gods having relations with humans and creating these
hybrid like creatures, and they were giving them all this
knowledge of all these different things, and their text wasn't
directly written down, it was all transferred through word of mouth.
Like theoretically, if the whole Nephilm fallen angel story fits

(57:17):
with the whole idea of them going to other places
and taking over these other religions and basically masking themselves
under them, I feel like the number one connection to
that would be Hinduism. Like if you read any aspect
of Hinduism, it literally just sounds like the fallen Angels
and Nephilms to me.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Well, and like the Hindu sacred text like the Mahabarata
and whatnot. They have a lot of depictions of things that, again,
if you look at them through a modern day lens,
could be like aerial battles between you know, warring factions
of extraterrestrials and use of atomic weapons and all sorts
of crazy things. So I mean I think you're definitely

(57:54):
onto something there, and it's not too much of a
stretch to think. Okay, if you know, in this tradition
they have have all these crazy quote unquote stories that
could be now in modern day times interpreted as extraterrestrial
type stories, it makes a lot of sense that there
would also be these like kind of nephelum hybrid creature

(58:16):
connections in their folklore as well.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Oh yeah, and the whole thing about the spiritual teachers
turning evil and then turning into something evil like.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
It's kind of like, you know, a tree of knowledge
of good and evil you had, you know, too much knowledge,
too much power, flew too close to the sun. I mean,
however you want to word it. But yeah, all that's
in there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Exactly when nightfalls and the Brahma rick Shasha goes out
to hunt, they wear the intestines of their previous victim
on their head while carrying their empty skulls. Upon finding
a new victim, they'll attack and bite them in the
neck until blood starts flowing out. The Brahma rick Shasha
will fill the skull cup with the new blood and

(58:57):
drink from it, dancing around as the victim dies. Once
dead and drained of all their blood, the brahmrik Shasha
rip open their victim's skull, eat their brains, and place
their intestines around their neck as their trophy. According to legend,
when they hunt, these demonic vampires never just stop at
one victim, and terrifyingly, there appears to be no way

(59:19):
to stop them. And I got this other, really really
cool picture of one of these guys. I just had
to make sure I minimize the screen, but yeah, there
you go, literally holding the skull, got the creepy long fingers,
and yeah, I don't know, these things are pretty horrifying,
especially considering the fact that supposedly there's no way to
stop them and they get rather blood thirsty once they start,
which also kind of seems to translate again as I
was kind of mentioning with some Wind to Go lore, Yeah,

(59:41):
definitely all right, hopping into let's see the next one.
So when I was originally trying to find stuff from America,
this was the first one that I had found before.
I as I was reading through these notes again this
next time, started connecting in some of the Wind to
Go stuff. But for the sake of it, I want
to add one in from the America. So let's get
into the Los Bombbians of the Dominican Republic Bembians. I

(01:00:06):
should I say that right in the Barhocas Mountains of
the Dominican Republic. They are said to live groups of
wild beasts that hunt in the night. According to legend,
these groups were once slaves who escaped their Spanish captors.
Although there isn't a lot of information on the Los Bimbims,
stories tell us that after a couple of groups of

(01:00:26):
slaves escaped, they had no choice but to hide out
in the Barocas Mountains. As time went on, they began
to transform into monstrous creatures with sharp teeth long claws,
which helped them become more agile. The Bimbims were said
to only go out hunting at night, jumping from tree
to tree, and over time had developed a taste of
human entrails. In other cases, the Bimbims captured humans to

(01:00:49):
use for sacrifice. It's said that if you go to
the Barocas Mountains, you should listen out for the sounds
of grunting and gargling. As the Bimbems lost their ability
to speak long ago, it wouldn't be surprising to learn
that the stories of the Benbems were created by the
Spanish and slavers in order to prevent slaves from escaping
into the mountains. Conversely, it would also make make sense

(01:01:11):
for the stories to have been made up by these
slaves in order to prevent their captors from chasing them
into the mountains. Either way, we might never know for
sure how the legend of Benbims really started. And I
apologize for all the skipping over words on that. Like
you said, the whole repeating Bimbims thing kind of messed
me up on that one. I was doing really really
good for most of the show and that one completely
messed me up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
But the bim Bim's got you the Benbimbs. So again,
not to go too far out and left field, but
it seems to me like there's some kind of feral
people connections with this section. You got you know, these
groups of wild beasts living up in the mountains. You know,
they started out as normal people and over time began
to transform into monstrous creatures, developed the taste for human flesh,

(01:01:52):
captured humans for sacrifice, lost their ability to speak, and
again that kind of couldn get back to missing four
to one one type id is and connections to Bigfoot
and all this other stuff we've been talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I was gonna say, and this has like a mix
where it has kind of like some of the sasquatchy
stuff like we're just mentioning, but it also talks about
the hooked fingers and the hooked claws, so it kind
of goes back into that African like the African bat
like creature folklore stuff too. So this one's almost kind
of like a blending of multiple things, which would make
sense if it was slaves that were probably coming from
Africa and the Spanish that were coming from Europe blending

(01:02:26):
folklore together and essentially creating these things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Well, yeah, that would make a lot of sense being
the Dominican Republican kind of like Afro Caribbean trade and
all that kind of stuff. So it makes sense to
me just from a historical perspective that there would be
a lot of overlap between those folklores.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
And for this one, at least, I think there's a
lot of validity to this one, not for the sake
of vampires, but for the sake of the story of
one either trying to scare people away from going out
to the mountains or two trying to scare the enslavers
from coming into the mountains. But you get into the
whole feral people story, You get into the whole aspect
of these people were slaves that were taking to a

(01:03:05):
foreign land and they just took off into the woods.
They were probably speaking their own native language, which probably
sounds like something that was completely made up to everybody
that was around. Like, I don't think that there was
this vampiric quality to this one. I think it was
just a matter of people that were slaves getting thrown
into environment that they were not familiar with and essentially
just resorting back to their primal feral instinct because that's

(01:03:25):
all they could do in that situation. Like, I think
this is real, but not in the vampire sense.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Yeah, I definitely agree. I think this is kind of
one of the most interesting real world quote unquote cases
we've talked about. Tight guys, we gotta pay some bills
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
And diving into a more modern case and this will
be the last one, kind of wrapping it up with
vampires from around the world and that I'm sure you
can get into all the different cool stuff you want
to get into. But this one, of course is a
very famous story, so I wanted to make sure that
we brought some attention to it. The Highgate Vampire, and
this is Highgate Cemetery if anybody wanted to see what
it looked like. The Highgate Vampire was a sensational media story,

(01:04:14):
an urban legend that gripped London in the late nineteen
sixties and early nineteen seventies, centered on the gothic and
overgrown Highgate Cemetery. Reports of a tall, dark, shadowy figure
with glowing red eyes, along with instances of strange animal mutilation,
led to public speculation that a vampire was stalking the area.

(01:04:34):
Two figures in particular helped fuel the frenzy, David Farrett
and a paranormal investigator who first wrote to a local
newspaper about a gray figure, and Sean Manchester, a self
proclaimed vampire hunter and exorcist who was quick to declare
the entity and actual King Vampire from Romania. Of course,
hard to argue with that, hard to argue with that logic.

(01:04:56):
And here's some of the newspaper articles in case you
want to see how crazy they were being, you know,
walking up to this thing with their crucifix and their
metals or their wooden spear already to go, like in
every single generic vampire movie. The growing public and media attention,
intensified by the fierce and public rivalry between Ferret and Manchester,
who challenged each other's claims and methods, came to a

(01:05:18):
head on Friday the thirteenth March nineteen seventies, of course,
because why else, when else would it come to a head.
Following a television broadcast about the phenomenon, a mob of
vampire hunters armed with stakes and crucifix skilled the cemetery walls.
As you could probably see in that picture. This resulted
in significant vandalism, with tombs being broken into and corpses

(01:05:43):
desecrated as the panic stricken crowd searched for the undead.
While no vampire was ever officially found, the unsung hysteria
led to the arrests and cemented the legend as the
bizarre Chapter in modern British folklore, demonstrating the power of
me and urban legends to incite mass panic. And uh,

(01:06:05):
this is a more modern thing because with a lot
of the vampire stuff, you know, people kind of date
it back to essentially early nineteen hundred is and later on,
but this was literally in the nineteen sixties nineteen seventies
that people were freaking out about a vampire being in
Highgate Cemetery. And like I said, I kind of put
validity behind the archetype, the idea of what the vampire
represents and what it is. I think that there is

(01:06:26):
something like that out there, but the typical vampire motif,
like I said, this guy running in with his wooden
steak and his cross, Like, I don't think that's what
we're dealing with in this situation here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Yeah, this is, like like you said, it's the most
just stereotypical depiction of like vampires and stuff. Like people
wouldn't take this seriously if they didn't know it was
like a real news story and you had like the
actual articles in front of it. Sounds totally made up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Serious this guy's faces look at them, Yeah, very very serious.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
An onion article or something. But yeah, this is kind
of a funny one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
But that's all I have for the modern vampire stuff.
And I know that you had some stuff that you
want to dive into to kind of extend on this,
and of course I have to bring back up the
concept of the black Eyed children to remind you that,
of course we want to dive into that one a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I wrote it down in my notes. I think we're good,
So yeah, not to kind of derail you here at
the end, but again, this was a super fun episode.
Thank you for putting it together. I think there's a
lot of fun things to unpack and fun connections with
other things in this vampire folk lore. Just some things
I want to touch on real quick and kind of
pick your brain about. So first off, you know, one

(01:07:35):
of the main things in vampire folklore is this focus
on like blood, and there's also a big sexual aspect
to a lot of these vampire legends.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
And improper burial. That's one of the other main components.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah, but specifically the blood and sexuality that kind of
reminds me of a lot of like modern day UFO
abduction cases. You know, how many times have we talked
about the phenomenon or aliens or whatever being kind of
infatuated with human sexuality and reproduction and also blood. So
some interesting connections there, and like we kind of talked about,

(01:08:13):
there's a lot of connections between vampire folklore and more
modern tales about like incubus and succubists and nocturnal visitations,
and that also ties into abductions. So is there anything
you want to kind of hit on there Before I
move on to some of my other thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I just want to point out the fact that if
you are kind of correlating this with abduction stuff, maybe
not necessarily the short Grays, but the tall Grays. Look
at the depiction, I mean it kind of fits the
vampire idea and the concept. So again going into this
idea that I don't think that vampires as we know
them today are a thing, but all of these different
dynamics of these unpure entities that we deal with all

(01:08:50):
getting thrown into one stockpile kind of created this folklore.
But we are dealing with things like this, but you
have to look at them as these individual basis from
other countries and different places. But clearly you're dealing with
some type of thing that's a that is an apex
predator to humans, and the depictions of that kind of
wildly change. But I mean inevitably, I feel like the

(01:09:11):
food chain will shift. So if we are at the
top of the food chain, there would have to be
something that would come out that would kind of correct us.
So even going off of just how evolution works that
if you're kind of viewing it from that point, like
theoretically there would eventually have to be something that is
created to kind of even out the numbers of the
apex predator.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yeah, and I mean even if you want to go
a step further, like that's a very like kind of
real world quote unquote possibility to explain these things. But
if you want to go back to like the phenomenon
or the others as you like to call them, we
talk all the time about you know, this phenomenon wearing
masks and changing with the times and presenting itself like

(01:09:51):
people expect it to be presented. And so it kind
of makes sense to me that you know, back in
ancient times, hundreds of years ago, this more vampiric type
entity was what the phenomenon used as its mask, and
now it's more kind of extraterrestrial or things of that nature.

(01:10:11):
And it, like we said, this is the drum we've
been beating this whole episode, but the whole nuggetive truth idea, Yeah,
there's probably something in these vampire legends that has a
truthful real world connection. It's just how much stock do
you want to put into that? And you know, what
do you think the real world nuggetive truth is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I mean, for me, at least, if I had to
try to look at the root of all of it.
Like I said, the depictions kind of change. But the
general depiction that I get is these like pale zombie
like creatures, even though the original folklore they're kind of
seen as a little bit darker, but also that in
a second, maybe it was just because of the regions
and stuff they were coming from, and as they became
more of like a nocturnal being, they kind of changed

(01:10:53):
a little bit. But yeah, I guess I'll kind of
let you throw in your point.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah, so I'll just kind of close out some of
the random thoughts I had before. I wanted to get
to my main point. But we already talked about kind
of the nephilum connections to somebody's spirits aroum, the earth
fed on victims while they slept, hybrid creatures, you know, violent, bloodthirsty,
captured children, all that stuff. But the real thing I
wanted to talk about is connections between vampire folklore and

(01:11:22):
the men in Black. So, like you talked about early
on this idea that you know, vampires must be invited
inside your house, that also shows up in Men in
Black folklore, and you talked about the black eyed children. Yeah,
I've for a long time been a proponent of whatever
the black eyed children are. I think that's the same

(01:11:44):
phenomenon as the Men in Black. So this kind of
just ties everything in together.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Just to throw in this aspect too, because we're always
talking about two faces of the same thing. The whole
contractual agreements is a whole thing with demons and the
fallen angels and the nephilm too. So for sure a
lot of people think that, you know, UFOs, extraterrestrials, aliens,
demons were all talking about the same thing. So I
just kind of want to point that out that this
contractual agreement is also a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Thousky and bargains almost exactly like And something that I
thought was really interesting is you talked about early on
in the notes this idea that originally the vampire folklore
said that they had dark complexions, and that's kind of
straight out of Keels depictions of the Men in Black,
how they had these darker kind of more Asian or

(01:12:31):
Mediterranean type complexions. So I thought that was a really
interesting detail, and just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
To throw this into just because I thought about it
while you were saying that originally they talked about them
as being out in the light, and they didn't have
this whole thing about coming out during the day, and
then it kind of shifts to the fact that they
only come out at night. If you're looking at it
from a broader perspective, that we're possibly dealing with like
a particular type of like being or creature. Is it

(01:12:58):
possible that when they were originally whatever the origin was
of these things, but they were just out in the open.
They were taking people out, they were just attacking things,
you know, they weren't trying to hide, so like they
were out in the light, they were doing whatever. So
people viewed them in that way. But once people became
aware of these things, they had to be a little
bit more stealthy with their attacks. They had to hide

(01:13:19):
in the shadows, they had to hide in the dark.
So over centuries of this transition happening, them reproducing in
the shadows, all this stuff. Is it possible that the
reason that the complexion could have changed not only in
the Hollywood folklore, but in the actual literal folklore getting
into stragoy and all that type of stuff. Could it
be a matter of they changed as they started becoming

(01:13:39):
more something that hid in the shadows to avoid human confrontation,
because of course, with a lot of these apex predators
or apex predators in general, the best way to attack
something is by ambushing it. It's not coming at it
dead on, it's hiding in the shadows, coming at it
when it can't see you. So if you're gonna view
this thing as thinking like a typical apex predator, that's
the way to do it. You hide in the shadows.

(01:14:01):
You don't just blunt charge something.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Well, and again that has a lot of possible Nephylm
connections as well. You know, in Nephilum folklore, you know,
they were these big, powerful beings that were cannibals and
fed off human beings, and throughout the years, as kind
of the blood lines weakened and their numbers decreased, humans
started hunting these things down. So you know, that's basically

(01:14:25):
two ways of saying the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yep, exactly. And just to throw it in too, I
recently had justin Doc Brown from Prometheus lens on Inqurease,
and he was breaking down the whole thing of like
Esau and everything. But if anybody wants to go and
listen to that, either go listen to his show, or
you guys can listen Inqurease. I won't go through that
whole thing. But the root of it at the end
was basically he was talking about how there was these
other like Nephilum tribes that existed, and these different Nephilm

(01:14:49):
tribes did different things. Like one of them, they were
known for bringing things back from the dead. They were
known to be blood drinkers. I think their particular name
would have like translated to like blood sucker or something
like that. So even in the Bible as a connection,
if you start kind of following this storyline that seems
like it's purposely kind of split up. It almost kind
of seems like these vampiric entities are even mentioned even

(01:15:11):
within the Bible, and view that how you want to
view it, whether it's an ancient document or you know,
some type of thing, they can connect it whatever way
you guys want to happen to view it. I mean,
there's just yet another reference to a tribe of vampires
and that possibly spreading down from there, and people basically
taking these things out as a group and then them
hiding in the shadows. Like this is a common motif
that it doesn't matter what religion, what folklore, whatever you

(01:15:34):
view it through, it all kind of has the same
end result. These things become prominent, they start taking out
a bunch of people, people start teaming up, they go
after these things. They start hiding out in the shadows,
and they start using guerrilla warfare.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yeah, we're all talking about the same thing here. It's
just the issues of language. But one more thing. I
don't want to derail your episode too far here at
the end, but I do have a quote I want
to share with you and the listeners, if that's okay.
I found this out of a book by Nick Redfern,
which a lot of our listeners and viewers are probably
familiar with. He's on like Ancient Aliens and all those

(01:16:08):
type of shows. It's called The Real Men in Black.
And when you told me you were going to do
this episode, I knew I had to get this book
out and find this section so I could read this.
So in the book, Redfern's talking about these connections between
men in black and vampires. And there's a quote here
from long ago guests on the show, doctor Alan Greenfield.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
One of the craziest people we've ever had on the show. Yes,
with the initial best line of Oh, I get it,
you're the conductor choo.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
But anyway, so that's an old, old episode. You guys
should go check it out. If any of y'all have
watched the Hellyer documentaries, you've seen Greenfield on there. Super
interesting guy. But anyway, in this book, there is a
quote about Greenfield talking about this connection between men in
black and vampires. So if you'll let me just kind

(01:17:00):
of indulge for a second, read this quote. Greenfield says, quote,
the thing about the cases that Keel Barker and a
number of others were most interested in is that these
men in black don't seem to be human beings at all.
They seem like they have to make an effort to
appear human. It's like they're trying to project their existence
from moment to moment and having a lot of trouble

(01:17:23):
doing it. He continues. In some cases, people feel that
the men in black have sucked energy out of the air,
so you have vampire comparisons cy vampires. Whatever they are,
they seem to draw their energy from the environment around them.
Greenfield also says maybe the Men in Black are generated
by fear. I have a hunch that fear may be

(01:17:44):
a major factor in generating a good deal of the
phenomenon of UFOs in general, although there seems to be
some separate intelligence that is involved too. I don't think
it's all generated pure and simple by the witness, But
what happens is the witness experiences a kind of fear.
Barker thought it was a combination of eroticism and fear,
which we kind of talked about a few minutes ago,

(01:18:06):
and he danced around that issue because of the times
he lived in and because of certain paths of his
personal life that he kept private at the time. And
here's the part that I thought was really good. It
seems to me there is a kind of sexual panic
that is the ingredient that produces or predicts the manifestation
of the coming of the fear inducing beings, and that

(01:18:28):
would range from the Men in Black and their threats
to the alien abduction phenomenon and their physical examination angle,
which contains all sorts of sexual overtones. So here we
go again, the phenomenon growing, changing, wearing masks. It all
has this sexual reproduction aspect to it. And in centuries
past they presented themselves as vampires. Maybe now they're presenting

(01:18:51):
themselves as aliens. So sorry to go kind of long
winded there at the end, but I had a lot
of thoughts to share.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
All right, guys, this is our last break, so hold
on tight.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
And now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Well, I wanted to throw this into and I'm glad
that you brought that up because it kind of comes
around full circle of what I was about to bring up.
If you take out the human aspect of this, it
seems like there's a lot more validity to it. And
the way that I mean that is if you take
out the fact that were wolves turn or the humans
turn into were wolves, and you just have the creature itself,
you have dog Man, there's a lot more validity to that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
You have the whole concept of the grays. They're not
you know us, They're kind of like they're mixing with
our DNA and then they're creating this other sub variation.
Same with the nephilim. You have this whole thing that
there's something other than us, and then they reproduce with us,
and then you have this sub variation. Same thing with
these If you take out the human aspect that these
things were originally human, then it seems like it might
have more validity to it. If you're dealing with another

(01:19:50):
creature and other being altogether, then it seems a lot
less crazy because somebody isn't turning into this thing. And
the other point that I want to point out is
with a strogoy and the Moroi, the moroi where the
offspring of the strogoy after they had reproduced with humans.
So even within some of the folklore, it specifically kind
of states that the originator isn't human. So for me,

(01:20:15):
at least, like I said, that adds more validity to it,
because the whole idea about a person transforming into a
monster in a literal sense seems a little bit more
out there to me than a monster creature existing and
then reproducing with people in some sense. And then it's
starting an need the human factors after that, because even
the sasquatch stuff, you look at the DNA for sasquatch,
what do you get female human unknown male DNA? So

(01:20:37):
a lot of these creatures, Like, clearly we're dealing with
something that isn't rooted in humans, and I feel like
with a lot of the vampire folklore, everybody roots it
as it's a human turned into this thing, and I
don't think that that's the case. And the farther that
I've dug into this, the more validity it's kind of
brought to vampires for me, that that is the case,
that we're dealing with a whole, separate subspecies of things
that is reproducing with us, which again gets full circle

(01:21:00):
back into the grays with the nephilum, Like, it's clearly
just the same story that's getting repeated. So is there
validity to that story? Is it just a common trope?
But for me at least, considering that these things popped
out in different points all around the world, all around
the same time, and people have connections with each other,
my assumption would be that we're dealing with something other
than us that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Reproduces griefs wholeheartedly. I'm not gonna labor my points too
much more. I've taken up too much time here at
the end, but yeah, I think you're absolutely correct. I
think that the nugget of truth is there. I think
that whatever these legends were based off of was is
a very real thing. And I think, uh, it could

(01:21:42):
be you know, like we always say, one person's angel
or demon is another person's extraterrestrial, one person's vampire is
another person's nephelum or men in black, And I think,
like we always say, we're all talking about the same
thing here, and I think it's another case of the
phenomenon growing and changing and wearing masks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
So let me throw this in here too before we
completely wrap up, Because I asked you in the very
very beginning what your initial thought was on vampires at
least after what we talked about today. Well, what's kind
of your thought, like do you put validity into it?
Like what what's What's what's your closing thought after just
at least hearing the information from today, So did it
bring more validity to ear it kind of take more away?

(01:22:24):
That's Kut's kind of what I'm hitting at.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yeah, so in the past, you know, just from like
this kind of uh this Red Fern book and talking
about the connections between vampires and you know, other things
that we put a lot of stock in on this show.
I already thought there was like some nugget of truth
there and it was based off of some real world thing.
And after going through all these historical uh depictions from

(01:22:49):
around the world and seeing all these other connections to
all sorts of things we talk about on the show,
mostly Nefhelm, I'm more convinced of the validity of what
inspired the vampire myths being a real thing than I
ever was before. So I really appreciate you putting this
one together. This was a super fun one to kind

(01:23:10):
of dig into a lot of the connections, and I
hope I didn't go too off the rails there at
the end. But like I said, once you told me
what you were talking about, I knew I was gonna
have a lot of thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
No, I was hoping you would at the end, because
my whole thing is I wanted to try to lay
down the groundwork, and you've kind of connected it more
in with the modern day stuff. So I'm glad that
you throw all that stuff into the end. I figured
with this one, the reason I didn't get into like
energy vampires, men in black and black eyed kids was
because I figured that you're probably gonna fill in the
gaps enough so I'm glad that you did on that
one at least.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
No, I think we worked out being a good team
on this one. But do you have anything else you
want to end with kind of any take home points
for the listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Well, all I can say is that this was intended
to be a Halloween episode, so I hope that you
guys enjoyed it as a Halloween episode, and hopefully we'll
bring something else Halloween ish, maybe because we had something
that kind of shifted around with our guests next week,
but all those fils, hopefully we did something a little
bit different from typical vampire stuff for you guys. Hopefully
we've connected it into some real world stuff for you guys,

(01:24:07):
and hopefully we can bring more validity to at least
the archetype of vampires, to hopefully kind of pull it
away from folklore and maybe make you guys realize that
maybe we are actually dealing with something that might be
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Well said, and if anyone would like to get in
touch with us for any reason whatsoever, or to be
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Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
And just like I remind you guys every single episode,
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like I need to remind you guys to always always
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