#130 The Chat That Started It All

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Any and I looked out and there was this big, red,
blinking UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I can just say this, something's going on in the woods.
Something's going on. They're not dogs, they're not coyotes. What
could it be?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Right?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
I had an encounter with a skunk cake and it
completely altered the course of my life.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I got a call on building what about.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Saying sightings of a UFO covering over a barn.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Really woke up from a dream.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
And when I went into the bedroom, she said, there's
a monk there on the wall.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They saw that the creature had run through a barbed
wire fence.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
They were able to obtain cares.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
They sent the.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hairs to their lab and it came back as an
online creature.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Creature Creature shor Welcome back, Bizarre rights to the most
bizarre show on the Internet.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I am the one that like ten people now refer
to as Shames squatch. What is that fucking thing? It's
a Shane Squatch. And alongside me I have the one,
the only, the infamous, the legendary Big Bad Boodaddy himself,
sir or in Felix to what does booth sound like

(01:43):
a dolphin?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Is?

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is it a ghost?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Or dolphin.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Who knows, Yeah, you don't know. It's not actually a boot,
it's actually a dolphin. I'm just messing with you, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Sou Any of our listeners that listened to last week's episode,
you know that I was not available for our normal
record day this week, so we're doing something a little
bit different, Shane, why don't you tell the listeners and
possibly viewers of what we've got going on this week?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
So for this week, again, since Orn was not able
to record, we figured that we do a little bit
of a toss up. So for anybody that's been listening
to us for going on the past what three years
now or so, you know, obviously you saw this thing
where there was there was Ghosts, who was the first
co host for the show. Then all of a sudden
Orren popped in and there wasn't necessarily like a all
went downhill. For Yeah, I feel like it went uphill. Honestly,

(02:30):
I feel like we've had a lot of fun. We've
got a lot more into our research on the show.
It's kind of took in a totally different spin than
what I intended to start off as. But I definitely
love the direction that the show went in. But obviously
our conversation started off somewhere, so I figured for this week,
since you weren't able to make it, we would do
something special for the listeners. And the very first time
that we ever had a conversation was on increase of

(02:53):
our Reality and we're actually talking about what you were
going to try to do in the community as you
were talking about the framework and everything before you started
doing this show, and it totally distracted you away from
what you originally intended to do, dived into some of
your experiences and stuff. So, you know, I figured to
be a lot of fun to go back to that
very first conversation, put it on this feed so that
people could check it out and if you want, man,
do you want to give them a little bit of

(03:13):
a background and how we even connected for that chat
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, so this is probably only like the second or
third podcast I was ever on. So, as I talk
about in the episode a little bit, me and my
partner Jenny, who used to be on the show a
while back, you know, we kind of got to this
point in our lives where we were kind of getting
into these more spooky and outlandish and esoteric ideas and things.

(03:41):
So we started going to like paranormal conventions and whatnot.
We met our mutual friends, the Cryptis of the Corn guys,
who are awesome, nicest guys in the world. Check out
their podcast if you have not. And anyway, I.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Think that was our first guest appearance too, as we
went on Cryptois of the Corn for a live show.
I think that was our first guest appearance together. We've
only on two or three shows together in this entire
time that we've been running.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, But anyway, so I think that was kind of
the first podcast I officially appeared on. The episode dropped,
and then later that morning Shane sent me a message
and unfortunately the rest is history for you guys.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So I think we even talked a little bit towards
the end of the episode, because I know that we talked,
maybe even after saying, oh, I want to be able
to start doing these deep dives on inquiries of our reality.
Then right after that is when Ghos ended up leaving
Bizarre Encounters, And it's one of those things, man, they
perfectly fall into place, and I haven't looked back since. Man,
I've really enjoyed the time that we've spent together doing
the show and a lot of the stuff that we've
researched and uncovered together. Man, so again bring the listeners

(04:41):
back to the beginning of it all.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, and as always, I appreciate you giving me the
opportunity and I've had a blast being able to be
part of the show and have an outlet for all
my incredible thoughts. So all you listeners out there, I
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This is a bonus episode. Just tune in next for
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Maybe a ghost Maybe I'll do a ghost voice. Ghost
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Speaker 3 (08:26):
Welcome to the show. We're in Felix. How's he going today? Man?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'm doing good. Man. Thanks for having me on the show.
I've been looking forward to it, of course.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Man, I heard you on Cryptos of the Corn. I
had to have you on because the conversation was so
interesting I wanted to join in, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, the Cryptis of the Corn guys are great. I
actually met them at a kind of bigfoot cryptid festival.
And we hit it off and one thing led to
another and here I am with you tonight.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
No, it's funny as I just saw that on Instagram
today and I was like, oh, was he at one
of the conventions that I was at with them? Because
I got to see them at two different conventions too,
and that's kind of how we all met each other
and stuff too, and it just happened to be the
one in the middle that I didn't go to, So
I was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It Salem, Virginia where I met them.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, I was gonna go to that one. Way too
far for me.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it was like only a couple of hours for me,
So I had to hit that one up. And it
was one of the better ones I've been to for
a first time conference. I think they knocked it out
of the park. So if you get the opportunity to
go to it next year, I'd definitely recommend it.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Oh I'm definitely planning on how to trust me.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
And I mean they had some pretty good speakers too.
Lyle Blackburn was kind of the big name there, so
I mean I think, like I said, they did a
great job for a first time festival convention whatever you
want to call it.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So I think it was Cryptid Headquarters that threw it
on too. So shout out to cryptoad Quarters for during
that event. And I'm looking forward to going to it
next year because just the whole setup of it, like
commercially looking at it, like the flyers, everything like it
looks super duper cool.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
So yeah, all their you know, marketing and whatnot was great.
And the cryptied HQ guy is great too. He's a
super nice guy.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Oh yeah, definitely. So I guess before we get into
the heavy book of the episode, because I know that
you did mention that there was an encounter that I
don't get to talk to too many people that have
possibly had these encounters of once you give the listeners
kind of like a brief idea, actually doesn't have to
be brief. If you want, you can completely reiterate, but
exactly like who you are, what you do, where you're from.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Okay, So my name is Orrin Felix. I'm from Raleigh,
North Carolina. Always kind of been into aliens and cryptids
and weird stuff. But a few years ago I had
what i'd call a recovered memory about an encounter I'm
going to share in a few minutes and that kind
of you know, set me down the path of really

(10:39):
researching and looking into things hardcore. And you know, when
I first started really you know, reading and researching seriously,
it was just kind of for my own benefit, because
you know, it made me feel better. And you know,
the more I got reading and researching and listening to stuff,
you know, I started to see connections between all this

(11:00):
different stuff between aliens and you know, cryptid sightings and
you know, orbs and the paranormal and things like that.
And so I just started a word document just with
notes for you know, like I said, my own benefit,
just so in my head I could keep all this
stuff straight. And at some point I was like, man,
I've got ten thousand words worth of just notes here.

(11:22):
I need to start organizing this and getting it in
some kind of you know framework and make a book
out of it. So that's why I called it the
framework UFO Research Center, just for a snappy name, and.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
It sounds good though, honestly I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
So, you know, I've just started that, and me and
my partner, we've kind of been trying to go to
conventions and whatnot, just trying to meet people and network
and just share our stories and hear other people's stories,
and you know, so far it's been a blast. We've
only been i'd say, doing this seriously for about a
year now, but you know, I can't believe one how

(12:00):
much fun I've been having doing all this stuff and
the awesome people I've got to meet, and you know,
I think it really just makes you feel not so
weird talking to people about this stuff. And I think
it doesn't take very much digging below the surface to
realize that there's a whole lot of strange stuff going on.
And the more questions you ask, the better off you are.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
So honestly, yeah, you don't know anything until you realize
that you know nothing well.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And even when you think you know something, you still don't.
But it's fun to ask the questions.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, some other little side piece of news that will come in.
But so like when it comes to the framework, like
what's your what's your like end goal intention? Is it
mainly just to get information? Now? Are you trying to
like write a book, are you trying to start like
a podcast some kind of video thing? Like, what's what's
like your end goal intention of what you're trying to
work towards So.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like I said, you know, when I first kind of
started all this, it started off as just a word
document with like just word vomit, you know, just my
random thoughts and notes and whatnot. And then I've you know,
slowly kind of been organizing that into a book, and
I'm kind of working on that now, like actually writing
it down and connecting everything, and you know, that's kind

(13:10):
of a long process writing a book. So I thought,
you know, in the meantime, like I said, getting out
to conventions and whatnot, meeting people. And in the meantime,
I'm also probably going to try to start a podcast
at some point, just haven't had really the time to
devote to that yet. But so a long story short
to answer your question, kind of all of the above,

(13:32):
you know, at some point, hopefully a book, at some point,
hopefully a podcast, but like I said, in the meantime,
just trying to meet people and get my name out
there and network and share stories and hear other people's stories.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
So it's kind of funny You've got like the reverse
going to me, where it's like I started off coming
into a podcasting and now because of once of shows
I've written, I kind of want to eventually take all
the different encounter stories that I put together and eventually
put those into a book. So it's like kind of funny,
kind of the opposite, like you're building towards adding a
podcast to your roster start off the book. But yeah,
I'm the opposite on that one.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But uh well, it's just a shame that it takes
so long and it's so hard to write books because
I mean, I feel like I've got all the motivation,
it's just like actually sitting down and you know, having
the time to bang it out, you know, Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Putting it together in like a proper order. That's the
other difficult part.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Two.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I think the easiest, at least
for what I'm thinking you would be like put it
in by like alien, cryptid and then just alphabetical order
from there. But either way, just still just putting the
information together. When you have all this scattered information, it's
all valid's awesome information.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
And that's kind of kind of the idea of my
book is I've got a section on aliens, the UFO phenomenon,
I've got a section on cryptids, and then just kind
of like general high strangeness type stuff and then you know,
slowly try to weave it all together as I go
through the book. So that's kind of the outline as

(14:54):
of now.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
So I guess kind of getting into your book a
little bit. I'd love to hear about what you kind
of got going for each kind of section. Is it
like theories put together? Is it like encounter stories put together?
And if it is theories, I'd like i'd love to
hear you get into the theories a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Uh So, I haven't received that many actual encounter stories
from people yet, you know, like I said, I haven't been,
you know, doing this publicly very long at this only
about a year. But as I'm sure you know, it
doesn't take very long at work and stuff to like
become the weird guy, you know, and the guy that
people come to with stories and like, hey, I've got

(15:31):
this weird cave behind my house, and like this weird
stuff started happening.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
We apologize, guys for the interference, but we will be
right back and all back to the show.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Kind of one of the strange stories, uh, encounter stories
that I did get I was home visiting my sister.
It probably been about six months ago. It was over
the summer and we were at a bar, restaurant whatever
where her boyfriend works and just hanging out. And this
guy was sitting next to me at the bar and

(16:11):
you know, just started chit chatting like you do, and basically,
out of the blue, he just goes so I had
a near death experience. I was like, really, tell me
more about that. And so he like proceeds to tell
this crazy story about meeting these beings of light and
they told him that they were from the seventh dimension

(16:32):
and we live on the third dimension, and just all
this crazy stuff about like you know how he was
raised Catholic and he couldn't fit this into his view
of the world. And you know, this guy was like
sitting there crying telling me this story. And at that
point I was like, man, I've got to do something
with this, you know, something like that just came out

(16:54):
of the blue, just such a crazy encounter, Like that's
got to mean something. You know. I'm not trying to sound,
you know, like weird about anything, but I was like,
I've got to do more with this at that point.
So that was kind of a cool encounter I did have.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I mean I kind of feel like everything happens for
a reason. So if you kind of have that personality
type where you're like an easy person to talk to,
you might as well, I don't say take advantage of it,
but take advantage of it and you know, kind of
help people at least get their stories out, because sometimes
people just need to tell somebody. Other times they're looking
for answers. And if you collect like a little database
of stories for people, then at least you can be like, hey,

(17:29):
this guy's story is similar to this guy's story similar,
and then you can kind of share the stories with
the other person and then eventually maybe even connect those
two and then maybe they can kind of figure out
more of what's going on because both of them might
have different pieces of the same puzzle. And in turn,
you get to sit in the middle and then you
get to collect more pieces of the puzzle too. So
I mean it's kind of it's beneficial to everybody involved
in all fairness.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Absolutely, And this guy even said, he's like, you're only
the third person I've ever told this story too, but
I can tell you believe me. I said, I absolutely believe. So,
you know, I said, probably like four an hour talking
to this guy, and you know, it seemed like it
helped him out, and hey, it helped me out too,
So like you said, worked out good for everybody.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Like I said, dude, it's like it's hard to find
people to be able to have these types of conversations with. Like,
once you get involved in this community, it's like super
simple to find somebody that wants to talk about aliens.
But in the normal, average world, it's a difficult thing
to do because it's kind of like you have to
like scope people where you like put down a little
piece of information to kind of see what they say
about it before you really get into the bulk of things,
Like you'll just look for opportunity and conversation and be like, oh, yeah,

(18:31):
it was the aliens, ha ha ha ha, and then
you kind of like see how they pick up and
react with it, and then you're like, all right, maybe
I could talk to this guy about this. But like
even within like the community for example, you know, like
one persons into aliens or into cryptids or not into
paranormal or whatever, So it's like you still kind of
have to pick specific people to talk to you even
within the community, or somebody's really into woo woo and
like spiritual stuff, and some people are going into the

(18:52):
scientific mind of shit, so it's like kind of have to.
It's it's nice being involved in the community because you
have different facets to be able to throw different theories,
these ideas, stories at You just got to direct them
in the right way. And at least, you know, if
people are sharing their stories with the people that are
part of the community, they can kind of, you know,
turn become part of the community, and then they can
open themselves up to be able to have all these
different people again that they can share their experiences with

(19:14):
and now feel so crazy. That's that feel like the
main component for anybody is just to have somebody sit
there and listen and listen to them with an open mind.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Absolutely, And that's kind of like one of my big
things and all this is I think we get too
caught up in language with a lot of this stuff
like one person's ghost is another person's alien or demon
or whatnot. And I think, like I said, what framework
you view the paranormal and high strangeness through really dictates

(19:47):
how you're going to perceive these things. And I think,
you know, we need to realize that all this stuff
is connected and Yeah, we may call things different things,
but we're all talking about the same thing to a
large degree. And I think the more communication there would be,
like you said, between the alien people and the Bigfoot people,
and even something as simple as the Bigfoot is a

(20:08):
big eight people and the Bigfoot is a you know,
otherworldly entity people. It's like everybody gets so caught up
on their thing that they neglect to see how interconnected
I feel all this stuff is.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I mean, just kind of starting to get out there
with it. I often entertain the idea I'm not saying
for sure, but like I've said many times, I just
like to entertain all different ideas in different mindsets on things.
But I often wonder if everything is the same thing
for two different reasons. Either one, everything is some type
of like mimic type creature where it's like it appears
to be three hundred different things, but realistically it's just

(20:45):
like maybe another race of beings and they just can
you know, contort or look different or whatever, So they're
all just the same shit and they just appear different
to different people. And then the other option that I've
always thought about is that if we are in some
type of like organic simulation, just like how you go
into a video game. You can pick your character, pick
your skin. You know. The people on the outside of

(21:05):
the simulation who are possibly running the simulation, or the
things running the simulation could theoretically they could, you know,
they could just be things that look just like us,
like exactly like us, and when they come into the simulation,
they can throw on their DLC suit, you know, and
they're running around like an alien, or they'll run around
like a bigfoot, you know, and maybe they're just do
it for fun. Maybe there's like a reverse on it
that we're some type of simulation that somehow became sentient

(21:29):
and now they're just like, you know, I don't want
to say, playing in Grand Theft Auto, but just fucking
hopping in here and just doing some random shit just
for the sake of doing some random shit, Like who
wouldn't want to just run around the woods is a
Bigfoot for a couple hours just to see.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
How it feels?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
No.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I mean when I started down this path, I was
very you know, Aliens was kind of my gateway into
all of this, and I was very flesh and blood,
nuts and bolts. These are you know, flesh and blood
entities coming down and some bolts spacecraft and all of
this has a quote unquote logical explanation, and this is

(22:05):
just misunderstood technology. And I still believe there's a nuts
and bolts, flesh and blood aspect to the UFO phenomenon.
But I feel like the deeper you get, the more
strangeness you start to encounter, and it becomes harder to
justify everything with just that one answer. And I don't

(22:27):
think there is one answer to all this. And you know,
I use the term answer loosely because personally, I don't
think we're ever going to find conclusive answers to a
lot of this stuff. I don't know if we're supposed to,
But I think the journey is what's important, and asking
the questions and keeping an open mind. And I think
when you set out like I've got to find a

(22:50):
big foot in the word, like, you're setting yourself up
for failure at that point. And so that's why I
try to encourage people, you know, just ask questions, look
at things differently, you know, all this stuff that we've
been kind of programmed to believe and think our entire lives,
look at it differently. Like what could these things actually mean?

(23:11):
And so that's kind of again why I called it
the framework. I want people to build their own framework,
not just accept what's always been told to us about anything,
and especially the paranormal.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean, it's it's one of those things too that
everything needs to start off somewhere like the first man
that was like, oh, I'm stuck to the planet. Think
about how many hundreds of years, thousands, whatever, because I mean,
the civilizations could be way older than me think they are.
Until we're finally like all right, like this is the
reason why gravity exists. Like I feel like when it

(23:44):
comes to this whole like alien phenomenon, we're kind of
in the like beginning of it. We're at the phase
where even like look at medieval times with medicine, they're like,
all right, in order to get somebody healthy, you gotta
let blood out, let the bad blood out. Like we're
in that phase. We're just trying anything radical just to
see what happens and what works. And then once we're
able to throw those ideas out and kind of dwindle
it down to the things that make the most sense.

(24:07):
You know, this may take hundreds of years, Maybe we'll
finally get to that point where we have like a
solid answer. But again, before we can get to that point,
you have to have all the trial and error theories
and ideas first.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Absolutely, and you know, as a race, we've only been
here for you know, the blink of an eye when
we really get down to it. So, I mean, whatever
we're dealing with is far older than we are, has
been here, far longer than we have, and we're just
kind of coming in on their coattails trying to figure
out what's going on. So no, I totally agree with

(24:38):
everything you just said.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I mean, it's even two things off of that. Either one,
there were advanced civilizations that had full interaction with some
type of extraterrestrial beings or advanced races and they were
fully aware of them, knew everything that was going on.
Or option two is that most of these groups that
came into different areas in the world, they all said
that all of their old megaliths and all these things
had been there and they just kind of came up

(25:02):
and just reused them and recycled them. So I mean,
even off of that one, maybe all these advanced races
existed here at one point and they all left and
then we kind of are just walking up on their stuff.
So it's like we know that they're around, but again
we've never actually like interacted with them firsthand, other than
finding the remnants of things that they've left. Because even
like advanced technology in the past, there's no definite answer

(25:24):
of like, oh, these aliens came down and gave them
this technology, Like they could have just been wandering around
and found some shit in a cave and went oh,
this works really good for this and then boom, alien technology.
And then we're using alien technology now and don't even
realize it because it's been around for so long, like
who fucking knows exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And you know, I feel like people are too quick
to dismiss you know, ancient cultures, ancient people like, oh, well,
they were just telling stories, And I was like, no,
I mean if these people took all the time and
effort and energy to carve these stories into rocks, I mean,
why would they tell glorified bedtime stories? At this point.

(25:59):
I think those people were telling stories that they thought
were important things they had actually seen and witnessed the
experience in the best language they have, and yet calling
them dragons or gods or whatever. That's not nearly as
important as entertaining the fact that something legitimately strange actually
happened to these people and they actually witnessed it. Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Sorry, my dog was looking out the windows make sure
my girlfriend was coming home, so I didn't have to
hit pause in the recording.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Here are good man, But.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Going back into like the whole Asian civilization concept too,
I don't know, there's just too much shit that just
doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And we've tried to logically
make sense out of it, and if you really break
down the key components of it, it still doesn't make
any sense. So no matter what way you look at it,
as far as I'm concerned, there's either some type of

(26:53):
alien intervention or there was a lot more advanced people
than we ever thought there was, and there was candycalisms
and that's what causes it where civilization had to restart.
But if you're expanding back into the whole alien idea
and the whole theoretical idea of aliens possibly being part
of what created us or made us what we are now,
you know, maybe there are some fielled projects and they're

(27:14):
just like fuck it, nukemb restarted, okayt nukem restarted.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And you know that gets back to ideas about you know,
like Sodom and Gomora and things like that. And you know,
kind of another thing that I really like to look
at and all this kind of stuff is looking at
these old you know, biblical accounts or old legends and
whatnot and being like, Okay, what could this actually mean

(27:39):
in real world terms? And a lot of these stories,
if you change one or two words man, that becomes
an alien story. You know, look at Joanah and the Whale.
If you change the word whale to the word craft,
that's an alien abduction story. You know, if you look
at the Immaculate Conception, if you change the word angel
to entity or alien or whatever, that becomes an alien

(28:03):
abduction story as well. So, I mean that's something that
I'm fascinated by is the whole language aspect in all this.
And I think we, like I said, we get too
tied up in what we call things and we don't
put enough stock in what these things actually mean. And
I think we're doing ourselves a disservice by you know,

(28:25):
keeping these things so much in a box that we
refuse to see how all this is connected and what
it could really mean.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I mean, people just like to categorize thing. I think,
categorize things. That's what all kind of comes down to.
That no matter what, like people have to put a
name or a title or something on things, because that's
just I guess how we kind of how we understand
things as humans. This may sound super ancient aliens, but
I've always kind of entertained the idea that angels could
have theoretically been one alien race and you know, demons

(28:52):
whatever you want to call them, like the underworld, so
kind of concept could have been another type of alien being.
And I mean, if you want to put a name
on that. Again, like we're talking about with people have
to put names and titles on shit. You could even
entertain the idea that, like the Onanaki were the angels,
because they kind of semi fit the description with the wings,
not the biblical description of an angel, but like the

(29:13):
drawing idea of an angel fits the Onanaki idea. And
when it comes to the Garden of Eden where the
serpent gave them the forbidden fruit, which it doesn't even
necessarily say it's an apple, So I try not to say, oh,
the apple, but it was a serpent being and what
it was he's giving them supposedly was like knowledge. So
theoretically speaking, the Ananaki could have created us kind of

(29:34):
been like all right, this is the world, and this
other race was like, all right, no, there's a lot
more going on than you people understand, and they try
to give them like the apple, you know which, yeah,
or the forbidden fruit, And then I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
One hundred percent. You know, the whole serpent thing. That
could also get down to like reptilions and you know
the Nordic more humanoid type aliens and so yeah, exactly,
just change a couple of words, look at something slightly different,
and it takes on a whole new meaning. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I mean even going into with like that whole fucking
idea too. When it comes to like them giving us
like the knowledge of like the broader world, it almost
reminds me of the the Cave, you know, do you
know that old uh, the old story where like the
people were like in the cave and the one man
left the cave and was like this is the world on.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
The outside, about the shadows and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, that one, yeah, say it could literally be that,
and you know, we have this whole negative idea of
like reptilians that could have been a whole idea of
like Stockholm syndrome that we associated with our captors, which
are the ones that create us, which were like the
angels so to speak, or on anaki if you want again,
put an alien title on it, and we like demonized
the other ones that are trying to give us the knowledge,
like you're the bad guys. So maybe eventually they were like,

(30:49):
fuck it, these people want to be controlled. We're just
going to control them. And then that's what it got
into this present idea of what we have as reptilians
that they're like this evil race, was that they're like, no,
we tried to help you guys, and you guys just
want to do your own shade. So you know what,
fuck it if we're not going to be able to
help you, or we're just going to control you and you're
gonna do what with funck we want, because clearly that's
what you guys were programmed to do, is follow something

(31:09):
else like a bunch of links exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
And you know that kind of gets back to ancient
like creation myths and whatnot, which across the world, across
different cultures, are remarkably consistent. Again if you just factor
in language and time and whatnot, and you know what's
one of the prevailing factors in all this. We were
made in the image of the gods whatever that is.

(31:34):
So no, I think you're absolutely correct this whole on
a Naki whatever. I think we probably look a lot
like them, because that's what all these stories tell us.
And it's very possible that, like you said, these reptilians
were just either trying to help us, or you know,

(31:54):
or the the rivals of the other faction. You know,
it doesn't have to be gods and demons and all that.
There could be a much more logical explanation for a
lot of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I think even looking at it too from like a
super rational point that you would essentially anything that created you,
you'd look at as a guide. So if we create Ai,
it's gonna look at us as a guide. And I
don't know, just a weird theory I've kind of entertained
is like how far back does that go? Like, if
we create our ai and that's our version of life
that we create Onanaki create us, that's version of their

(32:25):
life they create. Could there have been something that created
the on Anaki and then something above them and then
the ones like you always think that the one above
you as a god, but realistically they're no different than you.
It's just that you they're the ones that created you.
And then like how far does that chain possibly go back?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Exactly? And you know, we're still doing stuff like that today.
I don't know if you are familiar with the stories
about cargo cults and whatnot, where like you know, people
will fly supplies and food and whatnot to these these
tribes and the Amazon and whatnot that have like never
had contact with with outside human beings, and you know,

(33:02):
they perceive these people as gods. You know, these people
from you know, whatever charitable organizations that are doing this work,
will you know, leave and then they come back. And
these tribes are like wearing coconuts over their ears to
simulate like headphones and whatnot. So like we're we can
see this unfolding exactly what you're saying in real time now,

(33:27):
So why would we think that we haven't been doing
this for thousands of years? Like any technology that far
exceeds what we've got, We're gonna look at as magic
or from the gods or something probably less rational than
it might be.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Just even looking at it from that aspect that there's
something that's already existing on the planet that's able to
manipulate something else into thinking that they're God's that just
it's like a weird theory to think about, because you
could theoretically go to these tribes and I've joked about
it in another show and see you had the like
the drones they do, like the LED light shows. You
could totally make like the face of a god in
front of all of these primitive people and you could

(34:04):
literally get them to do whatever the fuck you want.
They'll just be staring up at that shit like.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, yes, yeah, no, I mean, I mean it's kind
of a crude joke, but it's kind of like in
Return of the Jedi when the eu walk's ay, Like,
that's really kind of what happens in these situations. All right, guys,
we got to take another break. We'll be right back

(34:36):
and now we're getting back to the bazaar.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
So, I mean, you just even looking at it from
that aspect that there could have already there could be
a race that was existing on this planet completely and
was nothing extraterrestrial at all, and they just could have
went to primitive groups of people and been perceived as gods.
And then it kind of just then you could build
off of that too, and wonder if, like extraterrestrials are

(34:59):
possibly like AQUAFORI and something living under the ocean, or
if there's something that's hiding out in Antarctica that this
whole concept of extraterrestrials that we've had, or something that's
never even been, anything that's ever left the planet. You know,
they're just a more advance than us, But maybe their
technology isn't as advance as we think it is, but
it's like one hundred years two hundred years ahead of ours,
you know.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Like, I mean, look how much we've progressed just in
you or I's lifetime. I mean, if we take that
back one hundred years, if we went back to the
nineteen twenties, with you know, electric cars and supercomputers in
our pockets, we'd look like time traveler, you know, or
I mean we would be, but you know what I'm saying,

(35:38):
we'd looked like we were just from another dimension.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
And so just even that perception though that if you
go back to the nineteen twenties, they'd assumed time traveler,
but if you went back to like the eighteen hundreds,
they might assume which So just even that just shows
the perception of people can change through time, even though
it's the same exact thing. And again going through ancient civilizations,
they all have these different ideas, but they have the
same basic premise that it's all again completely perspective of

(36:01):
where you are in your background is at that specific
time that you see this weird thing that doesn't make sense,
and you try to rationalize it with things that you know,
and you're.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Gonna again fit it into whatever framework you have. And
like I said, you know, one person's alien as another
person's angel. And so again, like I said, like keeping
open minds about all this and what could this really mean?
I think that's like such a big concept that if

(36:31):
I mean everybody, but especially in the paranormal community, if
we all just got behind helping each other out and
supporting each other and keeping an open mind about how
all these things intersect, we'd all be better off.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Dude. I mean, even going into like cryptids and stuff
off of that, like you have just for example, like
the chernobyl, uh blackbird, and then you have the mothman.
Would if you break it down, it's the same thing,
two different names because that's what people perceived it as.
And then you have like the hyena men or whatever Africa,
you have the dog men, and then you have like
were wolves in Europe, and it's like, if you break
it down, it's all the same.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Shit talking about the same thing here. Exactly what we
choose to call these things aren't nearly as important as
acknowledging that there's something going on m h.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
And I mean even something that I've been kind of
thinking about lately too, building into again the cryptid shit
like werewolves. We have this idea that like were wolves
are something that is a human transitions into a wolf, right,
And then with the dog man thing, everybody has this
idea that it's more of like a I don't want
to say related sasquatch, but more of like something along
that line, that it's just like a solid creature that
can't transform like whatever. And maybe even the same with uh,

(37:37):
you know in Africa with a hyena man. But I
it's just an idea that I've wondered that it's could
be theoretically the same thing as the European version, where
it is a human that transitions, because you go into
like American lore and then you have things like skin walkers,
and then you have just you have the Native American
like dog men warriors, and there's like a whole legend
about them that they spent time with dogs in the woods,

(37:58):
all this kind of shit, and they had this ability
to transform into dogs. So like the dog man that
we're perceiving could be shape shiftering humans and seems to
think about I'm sure they have their own version of
I don't want to say black magic, but some form
of like magic where people can do things like that.
So like, I don't know, just two perspectives on the
same thing. That they could all theoretically be more of
like a werewolf archetype, or they could all be more

(38:20):
of like a straight physical like this is how they
are created archetype, or this is how they were have
always been kind of archetype.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
No, I think it's very likely that, like you said,
skin walkers, werewolves, wolf man, we're all talking about the
same thing here, and kind of an idea I've kicked
around a little bit as far as like the werewolf
dog man connection is you know, hundreds or thousands of
years ago, if somebody saw one of these creatures and said,
oh my god, it stood up and ran like a man,

(38:50):
you know, through the years and through you know, playing telephone, basically,
that turns into these things can turn into a man.
You know it Again, it just seems like we're all
talking about the same thing. And we got to account
for language, and we got account for time. But what's
the common denominator in all these stories?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I mean, even going back farther with that one too,
going back into partially some of the alien shit. They
could theoretically be other things created for different jobs. Like
I've entertained this idea on different shows that humans could
have been the ones that were intended to figure out puzzles,
and then dog men's were supposed to be the ones
that were intended for guarding somewhere. Then you had sasquatch

(39:34):
beings that were intended for being like the heavy lifters.
And maybe instead of looking at it as like they're
look like they have human DNA, maybe we need to
start looking at it at a broader perspective that we
all contain some form of the same DNA that isn't
human DNA necessarily, but we take on that characteristic of
it where it's not human like, it's actually something beyond us, like,

(39:54):
you know, And that kind of gets.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Back to like Zacharia Sitch in Twelfth Planet type concepts
where you know, supposedly the On and Naki created humans
to mind gold or whatever, and you know, piggybacking off
of that idea you just shared, that would make a
lot of sense. So humans were supposed to be, you know,
the slaves, the grunt labor or whatever, and these other

(40:16):
cryptids creatures what have you were there to serve another purpose,
you know, And that gets back to like Native American
legends about Sasquatch being you know, our big brothers and
protectors of the forest and whatnot. So maybe that's that's
their role in all this.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I had somebody on bizarre encounters I didn't I don't
know if I've referenced in this show, but if I
have referenced that, I apologize and advanced everybody. But he
was digging into Native American low with Sasquatch and he
was talking to multiple tribes, like I don't remember the
exact tribe, but there's basically a legend that you go
into the woods and you go into like certain areas

(40:55):
and you would see a water baby and it would
show up as like a salamander or I think there
was something else that it could show up as. And
after that you would hear rustling around off in the woods,
because the water baby would approve basically say that you're
okay for like a sasquatch to come. And you hear
rustling off in the woods, and then you were supposed
to sing this song in Native American tongue that was

(41:16):
supposed to lure him in. And then once you did
that and you have him lured in, you sing another
song that's supposed to be asking them basically for like knowledge,
and then you do this thing where you like touch
fingertips with them, and they give you knowledge of like, oh,
this is gonna flood out this year. There's gonna be
fires over here, so you're not gonna able to get
food from this area. And they'd give him like knowledge
of like what's going on in the woods. And this

(41:37):
guy said that pretty much he had this experience, heard
the rustling out in the woods, but this was why
he was asking the chiefs about it in the first place,
just because he had this weird experience, and then he
figured out later on that like if you would have
known the lore ahead of time, like he theoretically could
have possibly had that experience. But he saw the salamander
and then he heard the rustling off in the woods

(41:58):
and pretty much like freaking freaked out. But you know,
it was kind of head to the normal sasquatch encounter
from there where he was freaked out and want to
be in his tent. Wasn't trying to deal with any
of that, but I don't know, just just an interesting
story about them connecting with people giving them knowledge and
being almost like a big brother kind of like what
you said. And then when you get into stuff like
that Native American lore, I feel like there's a lot

(42:20):
of stuff that's kind of precautionary stories for things. There's
a lot of like factual things in there, and that
kind of entertains more of like a spiritual side to them,
where I don't know if it's necessarily something interdimensional, but
I don't know, maybe it's it's like a like another
sense that we're not aware of that they can almost
like sense what's coming in the future, or if you

(42:42):
want to get into some like quantum crazy shit, maybe
they are some interdimensional portal hoppers and they can see
the future, so they were able to bestow this knowledge
on the Native Americans of You know, you're not gonna
be able to do this this time of year, so
you need to do this instead. But I don't know,
just kind of a weird interesting thing, No.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
I totally. I think there's at least a lot of
interesting things to think about with the whole inter dimensional
portal theory. And again, I'm not a scientist, don't claim
to be, not a physicist, don't understand the nuts and
bolts of any of this. But you know, there could
be another plane, realm whatever that's you know, basically on

(43:20):
the other side of the curtain from us, and if
a pin prick in this curtain happens, maybe these things
can come into our dimension, our world, our realm, whatever
you want to call it, for you know, just brief
moments in time. And I think that could explain a
whole lot of the questions that people have about Bigfoot

(43:43):
and other cryptids. Oh well, why happened a body ever
been found? Or what do they eat? You'd have to
have a massive food source for these things. Well, not
if they're only here for a brief moment, you know,
if they're kind of just phasing in and out. That
kind of answers a lot of these questions and doubts
that people have about them. But again, that gets very
theoretical and kind of woo woo pie in the sky stuff.

(44:05):
But I think it's at least interesting and fun to
think about.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I mean, just an idea that I've kind of entertained too,
kind of giving them that interdimensional idea, but also kind
of keeping the fact that I don't want to say
that they're like primitive, but they're not some type of
like advanced race. You hear about like time slips, and
you hear about like time slips like correcting themselves when
something happens to them. So you know, there could be
time slips where like Sasquatch have walked through it and

(44:31):
they're now permanently stuck in this reality, or there's the
other end of the spectrum that they walk through it
in the time corrected itself, the timeline whatever you want
to call it, And that would explain like why there's
three steps and then it disappears is because it went
back into its reality, and its reality was intending to
fix itself, because it walked in between like a veil,
or in between like a thinning spot. I don't know,

(44:52):
It's just something I've kind of found interesting. But they
could be completely unaware of the fact that they even
passed through. And then you get into the whole like
mothman shit that I've heard Joel from uh, Killing the
Mockingbird's joke that they could be like the raccoons of
this other dimension. And yeah, maybe they're not aware either.
They just kind of accidentally slide through it, and then
they disappear because time corrects itself, for the timeline corrects itself,

(45:12):
or they phase out because maybe their reality ceases to
exist after a certain point. And I mean, I'm sorry,
Oh no, you're good. I was just saying, if there's
infinite possibilities, you know, there could be infinite Bigfoot realities too,
and maybe certain ones dissipate and then anything that's attached
to that just dissipates in the process.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Now, I think there's at least a lot of fun
stuff to think about and unpacked with all those kind
of ideas, and you know, kind of just a theory
that I've been workshopping, is you know, if we look
at you know, Bob Blazar element one fifteen type stuff,
you know, the super dense element that bends time and space.

(45:51):
You know, is it possible that, you know, if we
choose to put stock or believe the story that he's telling,
you know, maybe the alien extraterrestrial whatnot propulsion system is
creating some type of tear or rip that these things
are coming in through from somewhere else. And yeah, they

(46:13):
are quite possibly just the raccoons or the animals from
this other place, you know, getting back to Mothman stuff,
He's not some harbinger of doom. He's some raccoon that
was stuck here, you know. And maybe he was here
because you know, the Woodrow Derrenberger encounter the Aliens happened before.
You know, maybe Mothman was because of the aliens, not

(46:36):
the aliens were here because of Offman.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I mean, even connecting any of another paranormal idea that
you just made me think of, you know how, just
another way of looking at the paranormal, the whole idea
that if something is traumatic enough, it resonates through time, right,
maybe when that happens, it creates a thinning of the veil,
and it may not be at exactly like right when
it happens, you know. So maybe if there's like a
traumatic event that's about to happen, there's already a thinning

(46:59):
of the veil because time is already like aware of it,
and that's when these things pop through. And maybe that's
when people see Mothman is because there's already going to
be a traumatic event that happened, so the veil has
been thin and it's not that again he's showing that
something's going to happen, it's just that reality is contorted
in that spot. And maybe it's connected into the whole
paranormal concept that when paranormal things happen in spots, maybe

(47:19):
it thins the veil for other things to possibly pass
through at around the same time. And that's could be
why UFOs, cryptids, paranormal things, they all seem to have
some kind of ties because they're all coming from say
like our reality is right here, ones right here, ones
right here, and ones right here, But when something happens
in this one that's in the center that's ours, then
all of them kind of bleed into the same spot exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I mean, we pretty much at this point know that
time is much weirder a concept than we are led
to believe. It's not this leaneer ABCD process that we've
all been taught and so exactly like you're saying, if
you know, time is this very abstract, funky concept that
we still don't quite understand. I think that lends a

(48:02):
lot of credibility to the idea that you just shared
with You know, there could be some sort of knowledge
of these things happening before they happen, not necessarily like
reading the future or anything like that, just you know,
these things probably perceive time and operate on a different
time scale than we do. And I think you know,

(48:26):
there is certain places on Earth, probably in the universe,
other dimensions whatnot, where the veil is just naturally thinner,
and there's these energies or you know, places that these
things can slide in and out more easily. And I
also entertain the idea that places might not necessarily be

(48:49):
haunted in the idea that we typically think of, but
if you pour enough negative energy into these places where
there might already be this thinning of the veil, I
think that's some only going to exacerbate these issues, and
it might be easier for you know, shadow people, malicious entities,
what not to slip through. So I know that's kind

(49:10):
of a controversial idea, but I'm not sure if I
put a lot of stock in the traditional notion of
ghosts and hauntings, I think we might be talking about
something weirder than you know, the spirit of somebody who died.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
There hold that thought. We'll be right back after this
brief commercial break, and we are back to the show.
Let's hop right in. That's kind of where I'm at,
is that I always I'm completely fascinated with the paranormal,

(49:49):
but I kind of more go into the possible like
quantum side of it, I guess you could say. But
going into just this kind of connects all of it,
I guess. But if we're like we look at life
like it's something organic, like like it's carbon based, because
like we're carbon based beings, So there could be a
whole method of conscious things that exists that aren't based

(50:12):
off the same things as us. So we can't comprehend
how they exist because and it could be the same
for them. Theoretically speaking, the other way too, But like
there's some type of energy that creates consciousness, so that
energy is created within an organic being and then you
get something like us. But if you have say that energy,

(50:32):
but it's not attached to a solid mass or being,
then that could be where you get something that's more
of like paranormal. But it could be like the same.
It could be completely a conscious thing, but it's just
made up of a totally different type of matter. So
it's inconceivable vice versa. And I mean, like going into
like the ghosthit. They could be just as freaked out

(50:52):
of us as we are of them because they don't
understand how our form of life exists. And even aliens,
they could be all fucking around us everywhere, and we
just don't know it because we don't again perceive that
type of living matter, you know, because just because we
only have one method of thinking when it comes to it.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I mean, something as simple as dogs can hear sounds
we can't hear. We know, we can only see a
very small portion of the light spectrum. So like you said,
these things could be all around us we can't see them,
or they choose to show themselves to us in certain times,
or certain conditions, and again it could be something a

(51:33):
little more rational than we're sometimes looking at these things through.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So kind of like a weird idea that I'm gonna
throw at it just because I'm probably gonna butcher it.
I got really deep into it on another show. But
basic premise of it is that what if everything is
all happening at once and it just has to do
with matching up frequency and like a light spectrum because
you hear like references that like can I don't know,

(52:00):
it could be complete conspiracy, but people didn't see blue
because they didn't reference to like blue during like biblical times.
So like theoretically, if you always existed within a certain
light spectrum, it'd be kind of like that thing where
like your house has a certain smell, but you don't
smell it because you always exist in it, so it
just smells like nothing to you. So if you're always
existing within a certain light spectrum, then you wouldn't perceive

(52:22):
that light spectrum. You would only perceive like how you're
perceiving your vision now. So everything could be happening all
at once, and maybe the theoretical idea to time travel
is matching up a frequency with a light spectrum. And
that's why, like you hear certain stories of people where
they'll like have visions and they'll see different times, and

(52:43):
then you'll hear the opposite where people will like have
something weird going out there hearing. They'll hear like voices
that aren't supposed to be there, like schizophrenia almost. But
maybe that's just because they're adapting and possibly finding a
way to match up their frequency. But they haven't got
to the point with the light spectrum. And maybe these
advanced races have had this opportunity that they can see

(53:04):
and hear in any light spectrum, so essentially they can
transcend time back and forth, and we just haven't advanced
to that point yet. And maybe that's what like the
whole big enlightening thing is, is just figuring out how
to see light spectrums and matchup frequencies so that we
could theoretically like bounce through any position within time space.

(53:26):
I don't know, just fucking out there, but something that
was just weird. I got really into it on an
episode and I was just like, hmm, that's something to
definitely think about exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And you know, I think kind of like we were
talking about earlier, I think a lot of this type
of stuff has to do with energies and magnetism and
you know, all that kind of stuff. And like we
were saying, with the cryptids and the portals and whatnot,
maybe these things only happen when, like you said, the
certain set of circumstances are perfect for these things to happen.

(53:59):
And that could explain again why we haven't seen or
discovered a body of a lot ness monster or what
does the bigfoot eat? Things like that. So no, I
think that's really interesting to think about. And I think
again could explain a lot of these questions that people
have about the pair of normal and they just disregard
because oh, well, how can this Well, if you open

(54:20):
up your mind and entertain other concepts, it becomes a
lot easier to at least entertain the idea of these
things happening, I think.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I mean, there's always like logical explanations for certain things too.
And I don't know if I've referenced on the show,
but I don't know if it's came up in conversation
a few times about like bigfoot bodies for example, and
not to like to tear from all the crazy deep
theories that we're talking about, but just something I wanted
to address Justin was talking about on Crypto of the Corn.
I've heard a few other podcasts talk about it, but

(54:52):
just in general, like when an animal passes away, you
can even look at it with like your home pets.
They don't typically just lay out in the open and die.
They'll seclude themselves. They'll hide somewhere, they'll bury themselves back,
and then they'll die there. And the reason is one,
they don't want to be pulled apart by other possible
predators while they're dying. And two they again just want

(55:15):
to get away so that they can have their misery
and like die in peace. So if there's giant bigfoot creatures,
there's not that many areas they could theoretically hide. But
if they go deep enough into a cave, and you
know that again, if it's a dying animal, they're gonna
cram themselves into some weird ass fucking spots. Like theoretically
they could all be hidden within caves, and those could

(55:35):
be some of like the giant skeletons that people have
found theoretically in the past, and it could be something
completely at the fucking Smithsonian still hiding now that nobody
would even fucking know about becaus soon as they hit
wind about a giant skeleton and a cave fucking Smithsonians
on top of that shit. But I don't know, just
uh yeah, they get they And then the other idea

(55:56):
is that if they're more intelligent than we give them
credit for, like we bury our dead, we do something
with our dead, they could theoretically do the same thing.
And even if there's something more primitive and you know,
say they need some type of high protein source, they
could theoretically even eat their dead. I mean, who fucking knows.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, And you know, if we entertained the idea that
these bigfoot creatures are just you know, some big undiscovered
eight running around in the woods, there's obviously not that
many of them. And how often do people talk about
running across like a bear carcass? And we know bears
are really you know, so just even if you look
at it just pure flesh and blood, nuts and bolts,

(56:36):
I don't think we'd expect to find any of this
physical evidence that people use as their trump card for
why these things can't exist.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Plus, I mean, even speaking from an animal's perspective, that's
a huge ass chunk of meat to just leave untouched.
Anything that comes by in that area is going to
be on top of that shit eating it, and within
a couple of days, I guarantee it'll be completely unrecognizable
because of all the animals that went to town on
that giant piece of meat that was sitting there.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
And you know the Bigfoot hotspot the Pacific Northwest, it's cold,
it's rainy, it's damp up there all the time. A
body is not gonna last in those conditions.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
And I mean they could even theoretically have some type
of like like we as people have existed, we put
a lot of extra shit into our bodies. We eat
a lot of things that are unnatural, Like we could
be doing something to our disintegrating process that we don't
even realize where maybe like if a bigfoot dies in
the woods, it could completely disintegrate within like a week. Besides,

(57:35):
it's like skeleton remains possibly, but just as humans because
of all the different crap we put in our bodies
through the years, like we may not degrade the same
and even going into like the body in the woods,
like why would it an animal eat a bigfoot body
but not a human body? Maybe like as soon as
we start rotting, like we give off like this chemical
smell or shit doesn't want to eat it. Where if

(57:56):
you had something that's been eating organic food its whole life,
eating fucking vegetables, like whatever it can find, it's gonna
be a way better cut of meat. So like, of
course the animals are gonna eat that over the human
that smells like it it's been sweating out chemicals for years.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Well, I mean just something as simple as we literally
eat food that's choked full of preservatives, you know, that's
preserving us. Yeah, that's the point. And so yeah, I've
never thought about that. But no, that's really interesting, And I.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Guess before we get too far into it, too, because
I feel like it'll open up a giant door of
a bunch of different other things that I definitely want
to get into, and I don't want to just throw
it in at the tail end. You gave a little
bit of snippets to your possible Men in Black encounter,
and I'd love to get into that so that we
can dive into different theories off of that one too.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Absolutely, So just a bit of background before I get
into the story. A couple of years ago. I was
watching an episode of Ancient Aliens, funny enough, and it
was an episode about the Men in Black and they
were just talking about out, you know, just typical men

(59:03):
in black encounters, and something in that show just triggered
me and I was like, Oh my god, that happened
to me. And I got thinking about this story I'm
about to share. And not long after that happened, my
father died suddenly, and so me and my mom had

(59:24):
to go basically on a road trip to pick up
my sister. And when we were coming back, you know,
we had this traumatic experience. We're all, you know, talking
and crying and whatnot. And at some point during the trip,
I was like, hey, guys, I think I remember this
thing happening. I need to know if you all remember
this or I'm making this up or whatever. And so

(59:47):
I laid out the story I'm about to tell and
my mom was like, Yeah, that totally happened. So basically
the story is, like I said, I grew up in
eastern North Carolina, across the Creek from a very large
military institution of the basis called Camp Lajune. It was

(01:00:10):
opened in nineteen forty one, which you know, all the
craziness that was going on in the forties. So it
was the land for the base was seized for imminent domain.
And funny enough, there's this huge class action toxic water
lawsuit going on with this base currently, so you know,

(01:00:30):
just normal run of the mill craziness going on involving
this place. So I was homeschooled and it was one day,
you know, spring summer. I don't remember exactly when, but
it was warm outside and so it was just me
and my mom and my sister at home. My dad

(01:00:51):
was at work, and you know, I remember we were
sitting in the living room doing school and this white
van pulls up in our yard, and in my recollection,
I remember it being just like a standard white Chevy
astro van and two guys get out of this van
and they had, you know, black pants, black tie. They

(01:01:13):
had from my memory, short sleeve white dress shirts. But
you know, this is North Carolina in the summer, it's hot,
it's humid. They didn't have coats on, but they did
have the black sunglasses. And I remember them just getting
out of the van and like walking around our yard,
just like making a lap, like walking down by the
water that you know, the base was across from and

(01:01:38):
while all this is going on, my mom said, take
your sister, go hide in my bedroom closet. If I
don't come get y'all in a little while, you know,
run down the road to your aunt's house, call the police, whatever.
So I take my sister, we go in the bedroom closet.
I don't know how long it was, doesn't seem in

(01:01:59):
my memory like it was very long. My mom comes out,
gets us, doesn't say anything about it, like we never
talked about it, Like my dad comes home from work.
We weren't like, hey, Dad, this crazy fucking thing happened today.
It's just like, never talked about again. And it seems
weird to me that, like, at the very least, this

(01:02:22):
weird thing happened and it was just never discussed. It
doesn't seem like a reasonable reaction to what happened. And
so my mother, she passed away earlier this year of cancer,
and toward the end of her life, she started kind
of getting into more of the woo woo side of things,

(01:02:45):
and you know, we started discussing more about the paranormal
and things like this, and you know, she said, I
don't know if I didn't get quote unquote zapped by
these people. You know, the story about the men in
black and whatnot, And I don't know how much stock
to put in that, but I will say everyone's reaction
to this was really weird and seems out of character

(01:03:08):
for what actually happened. So that's kind of the long
and short of it. You know, there's these ideas about,
you know, the men in black being some other worldly
entity like John Keele type stuff, and I think there
is some aspect of it that is something really strange
and out there and other worldly. But I think there

(01:03:29):
is men in black that are just government agents. And
you know, the more I've got thinking about this situation,
kind of the weirder it seems to me. Like when
we grew up, there's always like feelings of fear and
heaviness at our home, and I didn't realize that until

(01:03:52):
I moved away. Like you said, when you live in
a house that has a certain smell, you don't recognize
the smell. And you know, it was always if you
had to go out to the car at night and
get something, you ran as fast as you could, and
you ran back and you took a flashlight and nothing
ever happened. I never saw anything. It was just always
this feeling of fear and heaviness that like I said,

(01:04:13):
I didn't realize, Oh, everywhere's not like this, it's that place.
And like I said, this base that was right across
the river from where we lived. When I was a kid,
there was constant, like helicopter activity, and at night they
would be doing all these maneuvers and shooting off flares,
and it was just constant activity. And even at one

(01:04:38):
point when I was a kid, one of these military
flares landed on our front yard. I mean, I've got
pictures of me literally playing in this, you know, flare
of this big parachute off of it when I was
a kid. But you know, this is all you know,
you don't think about how weird this stuff is at
the time. And again I wasn't, you know, nearly as

(01:05:00):
far down this journey as I am now. But thinking back,
at some point, a lot of that helicopter activity, in
these maneuvers and these flares and shooting off these flares
every night, it kind of stopped. I'm like, okay, well
what happened that they stopped? Just all of a sudden stopped.

(01:05:22):
And again, thinking back when I was a kid and
all this was going on, my parents would just like
nonchalantly be like, Oh, the Marines are out there shooting
off flares tonight. They must be looking for something. And
now I think back, and I'm like, what the hell
were they looking for? You know, which I think kind
of goes back to the men in Black story, like

(01:05:43):
they were clearly either looking for something or trying to
make sure you couldn't see something from where we were
at is kind of how I perceive it. And you know,
just a little bit more background information about the area.
There's a national forest that backs right up to this

(01:06:05):
base and it's called the Croatan National Forest. It's one
of four national forests in North Carolina, and this national
forest there's reports of a sasquatch type creature called the
Croatan Man. And my dad used to take me mountain
biking in this national forest when I was a kid,
and that's the scaredest I've ever been my entire life.

(01:06:28):
Like nothing particular ever happened. I never saw anything weird.
It just always terrified me. And to this day, I
don't have a rational explanation for why it did. And
the funny thing about this being one of the four
North Carolina National Forests. The other ones are the Pisga,

(01:06:49):
which I don't know if you're familiar with the Brown
Mountain lights. So this mountain in this National forest in
the North Carolina is renowned for there being these orbs, anomalies,
whatnot that happen all the time in this forest. And
I don't know if you've seen the documentary show whatever

(01:07:11):
hell you're I know a lot of people in the
community have mixed feelings about that. But the mountain they
go to when they like try to get abducted or whatnot,
that's this mountain in this national forest. One of the
other national forests is the Uari, which all kinds of
craziness happens. You know, you can listen to all sorts

(01:07:32):
of podcasts about strange high strangeness activity, bigfoot type activity.
And the last one is the Nantaitala I think is
how it's pronounced, and that's in the Smoky Mountains, which
again a lot of strange activity, a lot of Bigfoot activity,
huge amount of missing persons activity in this national force.

(01:07:54):
So I think it's odd that you know, I had
all these strange experiences in this place that's right by
this National Forest and the fore National Forest in North Carolina.
There's some crazy shit going on in all of them,
which kind of gets back to my point earlier that
we were discussing with. I wonder if there's some kind

(01:08:14):
of energy. I'm not going to come out and say, oh,
they's portal there, but I wonder if there's something about
this place. And kind of an idea I've been kicking
around for a while is you know, I wonder if
these state national forests their locations aren't chosen, you know,
only for natural beauty, is it because there's something there

(01:08:35):
and that way the government can control it. People don't
stumble upon it as much what have you? And I
also wonder if you know that ties into these military
bases and institutions. Are these bases in these places, because
there's weird stuff happening there already. So I know I
kind of went off the rails there. But the more

(01:08:56):
I've been digging into this possible situation in this area,
just weird things have been compounding, and like I said,
it sent me off on all these you know, rabbit holes,
and I started, oh, well, this is kind of like
this thing over here. And I've started you know, just
I feel like, you know, the meme from al A
Sonny with Charlie Day all the lines of string. I

(01:09:19):
feel kind of like that. But like I said, the
further I get down this rabbit hole, the more at
least peculiar things I've kind of come upon. So that's
my men in black story with a lot of random
thoughts thrown onto the end of it. Tight, guys, we
got to pay some bills and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Did you ever kind of figure out like a reason
of why they possibly could have been like scoping out
your yard specifically?

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
No, Like I said, my mom sent us to the
bedroom closet, she came back and got us. Nothing ever happened.
But thinking back, like I said, the only thing I
can think of is either something went missing and they
were looking for it, or they wanted to make sure
we couldn't see something from where we were at. I mean,

(01:10:23):
that's kind of where I land on it, because my
recollection of it is it didn't seem like they were
antagonistic or adversarial or anything like that. What I witnessed
was simply them walking around the yard kind of you know,
casing the joint almost.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
So I mean, you almost you always hear these different
stories about different beings in reports that are just weird
things that they will try to like escape bases, and
you'll hear about like them having like a like a
weapon that'll like melt people or something. I don't know
if you've ever read into that specific story about the
type being. I don't remember exactly how they worried it,
but they didn't use the words like alien exactly, but

(01:11:04):
they're saying like a like a test subject like was
like melting people as they went out the door. So theoretically,
if there have been different like aliens that have crash landed,
and they may have different technology that works and that
doesn't work when you have like experiences like that, like
maybe there was something in your yard using some type
of like cloaking device and they were trying to like
find it in your yard. Or the other option that

(01:11:26):
I was thinking as you were telling the story is
the whole sled of hand concept that they got some
shit going on over here. So they're making everybody look
over here. And theoretically, even if they're doing something at
the base, if they have them come to just some
random house in the subdivision, do a perimeter walk. Everybody
in the neighborhood is looking at that house, and they're
not paying attention to what's going on over there, even
more so than just shooting off random flares and shit,

(01:11:46):
like if you're like on the ground doing some shit
like that, like two streets over are watching that house
to see if there's something going on. We're with that
house well, and we kind of live back in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
The woods in the middle of nowhere, like there was
no other houses around us. It was basically water, our
house woods, and on the other side of the water
was where the base was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
So I mean, they're either they're trying to distract you specifically,
or there was something there that they were trying not
to like fully alert you guys that they were looking
for doing that, Like, yeah, we didn't lose anything, but
you didn't see anything weird, did you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, And I don't remember them speaking to anyone. My
mom didn't say that they actually spoke to or she
didn't say what happened, But I mean it was pretty brazen.
It wasn't like they were trying to hide or anything.
So yeah, either it was you know, misinformation, or they

(01:12:39):
were seriously looking for something.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I mean, your mom said that you made that referencing
that your mom thought she could have theoretically been zapped,
Like what if she saw something and or even if
it was like those agents, she saw them like chasing
something and they had to come back and see like
who was at the house first before they went, and
they like zapped your mom and got rid of that information.
And maybe like she knew that something was going to

(01:13:04):
happen because she saw something, And that's why she seems
so drastic to because typically I feel like the average
person if you see like government officials, unless you're a
conspiracy minded individual, like your first reaction is going to
be like go hide kids, Like I don't know, like it.
I just got that impression that even if she just
saw something weird, like I almost felt like she like

(01:13:26):
knew something, And then that may lead into why she
didn't like make direct reference to it right after it
happened too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Maybe so like the first half of the story makes
perfect sense, but then the second half makes no sense.
And you know, my mom prior to you know, the
end of her life was very you know, conservative Christian,
and she if she did see something, she probably would
not have wanted to acknowledge it. Or think that, hey,

(01:13:55):
there could be some weird shit going on, you know,
so I try to keep an open mind in this situation.
I think, you know, I'm not gonna try to put
a tenfoil hat on and be like, oh my god,
there was a sasquatch there or whatever. But something weird happened,
and you know, my mom said, yeah, that did happen.
My sister says, I remember that happening, and she couldn't

(01:14:17):
have been more than like three years old at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
It could have even been something as simple as going
into like the sasquatch things that you're talking about. Maybe
if they like theoretically are tracking these things, maybe not
necessarily a tracker tag on them, but maybe they keep
an eye on from the sky. And that's why they
do the shit with the helicopters, is maybe they shoot
off flares to scare it to go this way if
it starts getting too close to houses or something. Uh,
maybe it was watched getting close to your guys area,

(01:14:43):
so they were kind of trying to like to tear
it from the ground because they didn't want to like
drop flares on top of your guy's house. And maybe
like the one time that it wasn't really close to
your house, is when they dropped a flare in your
front yard, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, And you know, kind of piggybacking off of all this.
So after my parents' death, my sister has kind of
been staying at the property part of the time, and
you know, she still comments about, you know, these weird, scary,
heavy feelings. Her boyfriend, who is a skeptic to say

(01:15:15):
the least, like he even says, it just feels weird there.
It feels off, it feels dark, it feels heavy. And
as my sister's been staying there, weird things have been
progressively happening more and more. So just a little bit
of background. You know, my mom or my dad first

(01:15:36):
died very suddenly. My mom died of cancer. Since all
that happened, there's been a lot of family drama going
on with the property and whatnot. So there's been a
lot of negative energy poured into this place that was
already weird to start off with. And my sister, you know,
she called the other night, probably a couple of months ago,

(01:15:58):
freaking out. She said she was laying in bed one
night and she said it was just like a thought,
but she said like almost beamed into her mind. Like
it wasn't like a conscious thought, it was like, go
look on top of the refrigerator. So she gets out
of bed, she goes out to the refrigerator, and on
top of the refrigerator she had some like you know,

(01:16:21):
like decorative like chickens, you know, like people have in
their kitchen. And she said there were three of these
decorative chickens that she had, and the bodies had been
ripped off of the legs and it was just the legs,
the sets of legs for all three of these chickens,
and the bodies were nowhere to be found. And so

(01:16:42):
she calls me freaking out, and I was like, you
got some trickster shit going on. I said, you're gonna
find the bodies of these like in the mailbox or
something in a week. And so I haven't heard that
she ever found them. But just more and more stuff
like that has been happening. Like she's got a relatively
new car, but she would like go out every morning

(01:17:03):
and the car battery would be dead, and you know,
her boyfriend would have to jump the car. And then
like the fourth time this happened, they popped the hood
and like the bracket frame whatnot that holds the battery
was unhooked and the wires were unhooked from the battery.
So the car's a lot you know, how did that happen?

(01:17:23):
And you know that gets back to you know, paranormal
things messing with cars and engines dying and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Was there any pieces missing of the car by chance?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
No? No, it was just the battery was disconnected and
you know you had to get into the car to
pop the hood to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Just another idea. I was thinking paranormal with the whole
messing with energy and possibly moving objects. But you could
even go into possible extraterrestrial concepts with that shit too.
That if say there was something that's in the woods,
it's been like hiding in the woods. Maybe it's like
I was, That's why I was asking if there was
a piece missing. Maybe it was like collecting pieces to
try to fix something that it's trying to do. Or

(01:18:02):
even if it was just the car battery disconnected, maybe
theoretically there was some type of like extraterrestrial or advance
being trying to like jump start a piece of technology
that it had and it just didn't reconnect the car
battery after it was done using that charge or something.
I don't know, just different ideas that entertained, but I
don't know direct what direction exactly it is, especially considering
there's the military base there. That's why I like, I

(01:18:24):
kind of to tear from the paranormal, but at the
same time, it's very paranormal, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Well, you know, this thought just popped in my head
as we were talking, just to like I said, give
you a little bit of geography. There's the base, there's
a river, there's our house, there's woods, and then there's
a trailer park on the other side of that wooded area.
And the trailer that's closest to our property. There's an

(01:18:49):
older lady that lives there and her grandchildren stay with
her from time to time, and she just like said,
in passing to my mom one time that, uh, one
of her grandsons ask her why there was a big
man running through the woods carrying something on his shoulder.
So how deep are those woods? Just a quick little

(01:19:10):
side question there. I mean, it's not like a forest
or anything, but I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
It's like, is it deep enough that you wouldn't be
able to see the trailer park from your house.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Oh yeah, you can't see the trailer park from our house.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
That's what I was kind of wondering if some would
be able to move around in there between the trailer
parker if it was like too thin that nothing would
really be able to like hide in there in between,
but like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
You'd have to actually be in there to see something,
Like you're not going to see somebody working in their
yard through the woods. It's it's heavily enough wooded that
I don't think somebody, even a kid, would make that mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Has he made reference to there being a big guy
running through the woods with something on his back multiple times?
Or was it just like one time that was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
The only time I had heard it, And she said,
you know, the older lady just made this comment in passing,
And you know, it was like months later when my
mom told me this, it was like, holy shit, Like
what did this kid actually see?

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
I mean, just a couple ideas. Either the most logical
one would be just a really big hunter with the backpack.
The second one would be a possible like squatch carrying
something on its back, which theoretically could be a deer,
could be a baby squatch, could be many different things.
And then entertaining the third idea because we've been talking
about UFO type ideas, could be some type of extraterrestrial

(01:20:30):
race again collecting pieces for something like I referenced, and
it was carrying something on its back, trying to run
back to wherever it has something hidden it's trying to fix.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, and you know, I I don't have really a
theory about what I think these things are what's actually
going on, but it's just weird stuff. And it seems
like the more I dig into this, the more it's compounding.
And you know, the longer my sister stays there, more
weird stuff is happening. Like the most recent thing she

(01:20:59):
told me is she had like a flower pot on
the front porch with you know, just a plant in it,
and she came home one day the flower pot was shattered,
but the plant was like removed and set beside, Like
the plant was not harmed. It was fully intact with
the roots and everything. It was like somebody had or

(01:21:21):
something had pulled the plant out of the flower pot
set it aside, and then the flower pot was shattered.
So it obviously wasn't like something that like a dog
ran through and not give over that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Is almost like I don't know, like a sasquatch, like
being like you don't need this prison, taking the plant
out and just setting it next to it, and then
just being like fuck this prison for it. But yeah,
almost like I don't know how close you are to
that area, but I'm almost curious. Ife, Like just spend
like half a day just like wandering around the tailer
park just talking to random people and see what other
people report, and like, I'm curious if there's more ideas

(01:21:54):
of missing objects. Uh, there's more ideas of just weird
phenomenon involving electronics or more phenomenon of people seeing things,
But I don't know, I'm just more so curious more
than anything about the whole idea of something possibly collecting
pieces of something.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yeah, so it's a couple hours from where I live now.
I hadn't been back in a while just with kind
of all the family stuff we've had going on with
the situation, But me and my partner Jenny definitely want
to go back and like take you know, ghost boxes
and EMF readers and whatnot and just see what happens.
You know, it just just for fun if nothing else.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
At this point, so shit, if I was doing some
adventure like that, I would definitely include infrared, even if
it's something cheap, just for the sake of I don't know,
that weird experience with your house, Like if they're looking
around like that, it almost makes you wonder if it's
stuff that you wouldn't normally be able to see, So
maybe like you need some type of different Like wouldn't
it be crazy you put on some like thermo headset

(01:22:51):
and there's just like a bunch of like figure bodies
like walking around like around your house just watching like
ominously or some shit like. That's why I've always had
that dark feelings because there's like watchers are on this house.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Honestly, at this point nothing would surprise me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Man, that'd be uh, I don't know, just crazy to
think about that house in general. If you looked into
like the backstory of it, like how old of like
a house is it, Like was there any backstory of
different people that lived in that house before you, or
them possibly having any weird encounters or so just a little.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Bit of backstory on the property. It's actually it backs
up to farmland that my grandfather owned forever, and so
my parents like you know, when they first got married,
put a trailer on this property back in whatever, nineteen
eighty two, and at some point, you know, we moved

(01:23:47):
a different modular home onto the property. So it's not
like we live in some old, abandoned, creepy haunted house,
you know. I think it's it's the land and it's
whatever energies or what not is going on in that area.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Is there like Native American legend in that low or
in that area that you know of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I don't know all of the ins and outs of that,
but like I said, the Croatan National Force that's named
after Native Americans as far as I know, so, I mean,
I think there is a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Of I didn't know if there's anything specifically to like
the land you're at, Like I don't know if your
family ever found arrowheads or just anything weird like that,
not that I know of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
But you know, I'm certainly not discounting the possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Because I don't know it. Just like it seems like
with a lot of these encounters, like I don't know
if it's directly linked to it, but it seems that
there's stuff going on with Native American in that area,
Like I don't know, even just like weird lights things
like that. I don't know. Maybe Native Americans settled in
certain areas because of these certain things, or maybe they
had a connection with these certain things, or maybe they

(01:24:56):
directly are the reason why these certain things happen. Is
because maybe they had way themselves of like thinning a veil.
And that's what like the whole like Native American curse
thing comes in is that maybe it's something as simple
as they understood this concept to find a thin the
villa in an area to make it inhabitable for future people.
But they were able to hold it back while they
were there because they had that ability.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Now I agree with you one hundred percent. I think
you know a lot of people when it comes to
paranormal and whatnot, they're all the way and burial grounds.
I was like, well, maybe these Native Americans chose these
locations for these burial grounds and these mounds and whatnot
because there was some kind of weird energy or something
going on there. Maybe these things aren't happening because the

(01:25:37):
burial ground is there. Maybe the burial ground is there
because something weird was happening there beforehand. And like you said,
these Native Americans knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah, like they almost knew how to like do you
hear about the whole idea with them like coexisting with
like nature. Maybe we're looking at it in the wrong
way of like we're thinking of it in like the
physical world. But they were able to coexist with different
beings and entities and whatever energies that exist in certain areas.
And maybe that's partly why they inhabited those areas is
because like average people wouldn't be able to inhabit those

(01:26:07):
areas because of weird shit happening and they just get
freaked out. Where Native Americans had an understanding of it,
So in turn, they could live in areas where typically
people wouldn't be living at because whether they're holding it
back or they just have an understanding of it. You know,
you know, somebody lives in an area and something gets
thrown across the room and they're like, oh, no, paranormal
demons get out of the house, where like a Native
American person's like, oh, that's just the ancestors. You know,

(01:26:30):
We've talked to them, I can see them. You know,
it's nothing scary, like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Exactly, you know, I think the Native Americans have been
here a long time, a lot longer than we have,
and they know a lot more than a lot of
people give them credit for.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
There's just you know, when you hear about those things
where like a Native American will do something and like
something crazy will happen, it's just another Native American guy
on the other side of the veil. You know. It's
almost like when you're telling campfire stories and you have
that guide stands in the back and goes, booh, it's
just somebody instead of being in the woods, they're on
the other side of the veil and they just will
like walk across and everybody be like, oh, fucking ghost

(01:27:03):
and it's just you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Humboy's buddy or something. Yeah, yeah, who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
But uh, I guess before we start wrapping everything up,
because I could definitely go for a while, but I
want I feel like this has been a good portion
conversation where I want to be able to come back
and have some new fresh ideas to come into All right, guys,
this is our last break, so hold on tight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
And now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
I always like to leave with like words of wisdom
and kind of leave it on a high note. But
this has been a pretty high note episode just kind
of entertaining theories and I've really enjoyed it. But either way,
still got to do the usual, got to end it
with words of wisdom from the guest to the listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
So I don't know how much wisdom this is. I
don't claim to be very wise, but I guess what
I'd say to anybody listening is, don't just blindly accept
what we've always been told about the paranormal or the
world at large. You know, ask your own questions. Don't
listen to what I say, or you say or anyone else.

(01:28:14):
You know, read something over here, listen to something over here,
take a grain of salt from each of these things,
and then build your own framework, build your own ideas.
And you know, like I said, that's why I called
it the framework UFO Research Center. I want people to
ask questions and build their own framework.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
I dig it, man, I like what you're all about,
and I like your method of thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Man, Well, thank you, this has been awesome. Thank you
so much for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Oh yeah, definitely. And of course for everybody that's enjoyed
the conversation, you got to let them know where they
can confind you At Okay, So I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
On Instagram at the uf or the framework UFO. Excuse me,
so on Instagram at the framework UFO and email address
is the framework UFO at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Man, I'm really looking forward to when you drop a
podcast too, and uh, I'll have to go back into
this episode hopefully when you eventually do that at a
link to that so people can hopefully look that back
up too, because I know I already can tell you
it's gonna be some great work coming from me over there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Well, hey, when I get it rolling, you'll have to
come on my podcast, how about that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Oh yeah, definitely, you know it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Man, all right, appreciate it of course.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
If anyone would like to get in touch with us
or be a guest on the show, Shane tell them
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Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
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on that is available down in the show description. I
have been the one that they always sometimes refer to
as Shane Squatch, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Have been the one that they never refer to as
the big bad Boo Daddy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Well, I refer to you as the big bad Boo Daddy.
But that's because, like I'm telling everybody else, every single week,
I stay bizarre, So you guys should definitely stay bizarre too.
So always always remember to always stay bizarre, bizarre, bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
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